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Jada is on the line.
Hi Jada.
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Jada: Hi.
- Hello, you got a question?
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Yes, my boyfriend
has a foot fetish,
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which I'm okay with.
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Mhm.
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It's just that it's went
a little extreme now.
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He wants me to put, like,
my toe around his anus
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and actually insert my toe,
try to insert it.
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And I'm very uncomfortable
with that situation.
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Yeah.
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What about taking a latex glove?
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You know, a latex glove?
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Jada:
Uh-huh.
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And fill it with, um...
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what can we put in it?
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Sand or something so
that it keeps its shape.
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Oatmeal, there you go, or rice.
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You know, take a latex glove,
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fill it with rice.
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Tie the top off tight,
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and then pretend
that that's a toe.
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Jada:
Okay.
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Sue:
That's desperation.
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[both laugh]
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Okay.
- I appreciate it, Sue.
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Well, I'm sorry.
- Thank you, all right.
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Oh, it's all right.
[Sue chuckles]
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Have I got an imagination.
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Oh, and there's more to come,
believe me.
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♪ All you ladies pop
that thing like this ♪
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♪ Shake your body,
don't stop, don't quit ♪
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♪ All you ladies pop
that thing like this ♪
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♪ Shake your body, don't stop,
don't quit, just do it ♪
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Sue:
I'm Sue Johanson.
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I am retired now,
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living in the lap of luxury.
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The kind of work I did was
a little bit controversial.
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Our old friend,
sexpert Sue Johanson.
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[audience cheering]
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Mrs. Johanson.
- Sue Johanson.
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♪ My neck, my back ♪
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♪ Lick my [sighs]
just like that ♪
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Ellen:
How did you start?
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I'm a registered nurse.
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And then I started a birth
control clinic for teenagers
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in the health room
of a high school-
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Ellen:
Okay.
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Sue:
And went crazy.
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But I realized that those kids
were havin' more sex than I was-
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Uh-huh.
[audience laughing]
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And got kind of PO'd, so.
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Ellen:
Right.
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[audience laughing]
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Sue: I decided that I
wanted to teach sex.
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You may not always
have an orgasm,
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but guarantee you will
always have a laugh.
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[Sue laughs]
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Sue: [in Scottish accent]
Roll up the rim to width.
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[audience laughing]
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Sue:
My niche was radio.
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Hi, Stacey.
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Television.
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Hi, Amy.
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And personal appearances.
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Horny is a beautiful thing!
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♪ My neck, my back ♪
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♪ Lick my [sighs]
just like that ♪
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Shan: I just didn't know
anybody else anywhere
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doing what she was doing.
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Got a question?
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Yeah, I came up with the
idea of putting body glitter
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on my boyfriend's testicles.
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Mhm.
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And I was wondering if
there was any reason
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why that would be a bad idea.
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I get really turned on by
watching men and women urinate.
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Am I weird?
- No.
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It was like, I thought
it was the best thing
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I'd ever heard in my life,
you know what I mean?
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Ev'Yan: I just remember
being so curious
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about this little old white
woman talking about sex.
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Talk to each other.
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That's the most important thing.
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I think Sue was revolutionary.
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Caller:
Sounds like a good start.
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Okay. It's a good start
and a great finish.
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[low rumbling]
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Hey guys, relax.
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One size fits all,
not too worry-
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Jane: She just wanted
to break the taboo of sex.
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[crashing]
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So much for that.
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How it that this one person,
my mom's age,
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was the only one
telling us this stuff?
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♪ My back,
lick my [sighs] ♪
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What were you expecting,
Martha Stewart?
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[funky upbeat music]
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[traffic rushing]
[horns honking]
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AD: Thank you,
yeah, roll cameras.
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PA: Okay, Sue
interview, part one.
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Good here?
- Yep.
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AD: Sue interview,
common marker.
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All right.
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Sue:
Okay.
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Interviewer:
Are you ready?
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Sue:
Good to go.
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Interviewer:
If you were to think back,
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what was your most
favourite memory?
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Hmm.
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Ahh, do I have
favourite memories?
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Oh yes.
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[playful music]
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I'm Sue Johanson and
this show is "Talk Sex."
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The Hot Stuff Bag is just
a-bulging and a-jumping tonight.
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Great, okay, let's-
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Sue:
Randy Gulliver,
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he was a genius on
the control board.
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Dwayne, do you have a
drumroll by chance?
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Interviewer: He was the guy in
your earpiece when you were on-
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He was in my earpiece.
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That's 'cause the
microphone's in your hand.
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Sue:
Oh, there's the microphone!
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[laughing]
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And he would say some
of the funniest things.
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Sue:
It's a must.
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He'd say, "What the
[beep] are you doing?"
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Randy:
Perfect.
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Sue: I like the little
pink thing at the bottom.
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Randy:
Whatever the hell that is.
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[Sue laughing]
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Sue: Julie Smith,
she organized it all.
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Oh yeah. [laughs]
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Oh, get that thing away from me.
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My name is Julie Smith,
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and I was the executive
producer and co-producer on
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"Talk Sex with Sue Johanson"
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and the
"Sunday Night Sex Show."
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Okay, let's move on.
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We're going to talk to Paula.
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Hi, Paula.
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Hi.
- Hi!
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Julie: The "Sunday Night Sex
Show" was a live call-in program
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where viewers got to ask
Sue Johanson questions
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about sex and sexuality.
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Caller: Last week we
were in the 69 position,
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and he accidentally poked
me in my eye with his penis.
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Julie:
I remember the first show.
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I don't think I've ever
been more terrified
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in my entire life.
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I had never done live
television before.
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What are we doing now?
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Male: Just behind-the-scenes
stuff, so doing rehearsal or-
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Okay. Well, yeah, okay.
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Well, we can do that.
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Sue's comfortable
anywhere, okay.
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Watermelon!
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We're off to rehearsal.
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I will behave myself.
Break a leg.
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I was absolutely determined.
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I better be good or I better
shut up and get outta here.
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So green's good except
for the monitor.
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Julie: I was convinced
that there would be no calls.
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Nobody will phone.
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We all were fairly terrified.
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AD:
Ten, nine, eight seven.
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Randy:
Coming to blue.
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Roll blue.
- Three, two, one.
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Director:
Up on it.
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[jaunty upbeat music]
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♪
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Sue: This is the
"Sunday Night Sex Show,"
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and I'm Sue Johanson.
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But the "Sunday Night Sex Show"
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is a Canadian first.
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And it's your opportunity
to give me a call,
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if you have a question
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or a concern about sex.
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Can I get your name, please?
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Okay Howard,
what's your question?
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Call Desk: Okay, let me
put you on hold, Melissa.
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"Sunday Night Sex Show,"
can I get your name, please?
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Sue: And we have Marlena
from Lethbridge calling in
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right off the mark.
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Hi, Marlena.
- Hi.
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Hi, how are you?
- Good.
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I think the idea is
going public like this
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is, uh, easier than they think.
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I'm not embarrassed.
I'm not uptight.
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I'm not, um, scared of it.
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Caller:
I'm pregnant right now
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and I plan on breastfeeding
my child after I have it.
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And I was just wondering,
my boyfriend really likes
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to suck on my breasts
during love-making.
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And I was just wondering,
he's lactose intolerant
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and I was just wondering if
my breast milk could hurt him?
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Well, he'll certainly have
to start taking Lactaid,
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won't he?!
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Caller:
[chuckling] I guess so.
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Julie: I mean, she hit
the airwaves gangbusters
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with this information,
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and nobody had seen
anything like this before.
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And the whole of Canada
was just like, whoa,
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what's going on?
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Who is this person?
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Well, what are we talking about,
a cock ring?
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Right.
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Oh, a cock ring,
they come in different sizes.
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Is that right?
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Yeah, you go to a sex store,
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and they usually
come in a package
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and there's usually three.
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Somebody's stolen my other one.
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I have very vivid
memories of the-of the
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"Sunday Night Sex Show."
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Here was this call-in show
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featuring the most
unassuming person
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that was leading the show,
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talking about
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stuff that you just couldn't
find anywhere else.
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Caller: Yeah, okay, it
doesn't look like that though.
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Mine's all Steele.
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Okay, then yours is a dildo.
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Caller:
[chuckles] Okay, a dildo then.
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Does it have batteries?
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Shan: I have a vision
of her sitting at that desk,
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holding some body part
that was made of silicone.
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Russell: I remember her
giving a hand-job to a cucumber
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and, uh, and showing you
how to hold it for a blow.
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I was like, wow, this is wild.
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Let your fingers do the walking.
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I never looked at a
cucumber the same.
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Sue: The most common
questions we get in today's world,
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like it or not folks,
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is all about anal sex.
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Nobody talked openly about this,
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especially an older
mature woman that,
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you know, looked like she
may have never had sex.
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But, you know, that's no
disrespect to you, Sue.
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You know, the next time
you're gonna have bum sex,
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use something that's got a
string on it or something
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that you can retrieve.
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Julie:
Sue Johanson's age
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was absolutely one
of the best things
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she had going for her.
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She was like your grandma,
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with kind of hair
stickin' on end.
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Wait, you got a hair on it.
- Okay.
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Sue:
I was older.
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I was never seen
as a sex kitten.
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I had the gift of the gab.
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You will have a key word so
that when she says this word,
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you know that's it, it's over,
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it's finished, it's done with.
256
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A yapper, that's what I was,
a yapper.
257
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And the key word must be
something like sky or canoe.
258
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She was not intimidating at all.
259
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People felt that they
could speak to her
260
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about their most
intimate subjects,
261
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and she was not
gonna judge them,
262
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and she was not gonna
make fun of them..
263
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Thank you very much.
- Good luck.
264
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Caller:
I enjoy your show.
265
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Thank you.
266
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During sex?
267
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Sue:
The calls are fantastic,
268
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and they give me so much insight
269
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into what people are doing and
what they wanna know about.
270
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And where their
imagination is taking them.
271
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I also have the most
wonderful crew.
272
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Sana:
Sorry, yeah.
273
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My name is Sana Young
274
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and I was the makeup
artist on the show.
275
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Interviewer: And how long
did you work on the show?
276
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The entire duration,
from start to finish,
277
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first show to the last show.
278
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I was offered to come
in on Sunday nights
279
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for, I think it was $50?
280
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I think that's what
it started out as.
281
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It was a tiny little studio.
282
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We would cover the set
up with our set pieces
283
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for Sunday night and
then strike it afterwards.
284
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Priya: Talk Sex, can I
have your name please?
285
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Mark, what's your question?
286
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I wonder what they thought
of me when I came in,
287
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'cause they'd already
been doing the show
288
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for a few years by that time.
289
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And I think I probably
was just like,
290
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so embarrassed and shy.
291
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I don't even think I
looked anybody in the eye
292
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that first day at all.
293
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It took me a while to
loosen up, really. Yeah.
294
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Interviewer:
And how did you?
295
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How did I loosen up?
296
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Um, very slowly.
297
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And to help me,
298
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we have Priya and Germain.
299
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We're here in the
hall of the studio
300
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and they are going to provide
a free home demonstration.
301
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Ooh, this is a great position.
302
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This is probably one of
the most pleasurable ones.
303
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Interviewer:
Did you know of Sue
304
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before you started
working on the show?
305
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I did.
306
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In fact, Sue came to my
grade school when I was,
307
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I feel like I was nine,
308
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and she was the first person
to talk to me about sex.
309
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Talk Sex, can I get
your name please?
310
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Frances: We're all from
different backgrounds,
311
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different ages,
different careers.
312
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But we all found common
ground on that show.
313
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Crew:
Sorry.
314
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[Sue laughing]
315
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Frances: It was
fun. It was collegial.
316
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We were always
interested to know
317
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what kind of sourdough
Sue was gonna bring.
318
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People had their favorites.
319
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Sue: I had them trained.
They had me trained.
320
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The trust level was there,
that was the thing I think.
321
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Okay, so you are wondering,
322
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what does an old lady like
me know about sex toys?
323
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The answer: Plenty.
324
00:13:12,066 --> 00:13:14,400
Once the show got
caught some momentum,
325
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manufacturers of sex toys
and like sex products
326
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would send her like a box.
327
00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,066
So, like, she was getting
boxes shipped to her
328
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on a regular basis.
329
00:13:24,233 --> 00:13:28,200
My crew thought the
design was kinda sexy
330
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because the buttons look
like female genitalia.
331
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Sana: She'd call someone
into the boardroom and be like,
332
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"Could you try this for me?
I think you'd like this."
333
00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,867
Woman:
You look like Garfield.
334
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He had eyes like that.
335
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[group laughing]
336
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Sue:
Folks at the sex, oh-
337
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[Sue whistles]
338
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sex store will tell you that
the Impulse Spellbound Vibrator
339
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is one of their best sellers.
340
00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,433
And my testers were impressed.
341
00:13:55,567 --> 00:13:58,767
Yes, we definitely
tested the sex toys.
342
00:13:58,900 --> 00:14:02,800
We were, uh, asked at random to
sort of try different things,
343
00:14:02,934 --> 00:14:05,000
I guess based, you know, on our,
344
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what our potential, uh,
enjoyment level was gonna be.
345
00:14:09,633 --> 00:14:12,633
I gave this to one of our crew.
346
00:14:12,767 --> 00:14:16,934
They are the unofficial Sex
Toy Testing Council of Canada.
347
00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,333
And he loved it.
348
00:14:19,467 --> 00:14:20,800
[low vibrating]
349
00:14:20,934 --> 00:14:22,033
[Sue laughing]
350
00:14:22,166 --> 00:14:26,100
There was many sex toys
that came home with me.
351
00:14:26,233 --> 00:14:29,533
There was so much sex toys,
it was crazy.
352
00:14:29,667 --> 00:14:31,600
I mean, but you know,
the good, the bad,
353
00:14:31,734 --> 00:14:32,834
and the ugly, right?
354
00:14:32,967 --> 00:14:34,967
There's one I have to show you,
355
00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:37,133
which I kept in my
basement still.
356
00:14:37,266 --> 00:14:39,767
It's, um, a really
wild contraption.
357
00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:41,800
I don't know what it's for.
358
00:14:41,934 --> 00:14:43,333
[playful music]
359
00:14:43,467 --> 00:14:47,266
Ah, there is a dildo so I think
I know what it's for but um...
360
00:14:48,066 --> 00:14:50,867
[gentle creaking]
361
00:14:53,033 --> 00:14:55,400
Sue:
It's called the Fantasy Glide
362
00:14:55,533 --> 00:14:57,367
and you don't bounce up and down
363
00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:00,300
with the dildo in your
vagina or your anus,
364
00:15:00,433 --> 00:15:02,467
just like you'd think
you would, uh-uh.
365
00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,800
Instead, you simply press
up and down on the handle.
366
00:15:06,934 --> 00:15:09,300
Frances: Often
manufacturers would send us
367
00:15:09,433 --> 00:15:11,900
these really expensive,
368
00:15:12,033 --> 00:15:14,834
completely crazy sex toys,
you know?
369
00:15:14,967 --> 00:15:17,867
And she would just sort of say,
you know, it's not worth it.
370
00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,200
You know, Sue knows
how to pinch a penny.
371
00:15:20,333 --> 00:15:23,934
The dollar store diva is back.
372
00:15:24,066 --> 00:15:27,433
Now, all of this stuff
came from a dollar store
373
00:15:27,567 --> 00:15:31,500
and my fertile,
vivid imagination.
374
00:15:31,633 --> 00:15:33,400
No vibrator handy?
375
00:15:33,533 --> 00:15:39,000
Well, tell all your
friends to call you
376
00:15:39,133 --> 00:15:43,166
and then put your
cell on vibration.
377
00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:46,066
And then you put it
in a plastic bag
378
00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,834
and slide it into the
crotch of your panties.
379
00:15:49,967 --> 00:15:51,100
Ooh, purr.
380
00:15:51,233 --> 00:15:52,300
[Sue purrs]
381
00:15:52,433 --> 00:15:57,066
But I found these garish clip-on
earrings at a garage sale
382
00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,300
and so I tried them
out as nipple clips
383
00:15:59,433 --> 00:16:00,567
and they didn't hurt me,
384
00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:03,600
so I decided we would
try them out on Germain.
385
00:16:05,233 --> 00:16:07,433
Germain:
I loved the attention.
386
00:16:07,567 --> 00:16:10,033
Yeah, it was really
fun to show off.
387
00:16:10,166 --> 00:16:11,433
And I was at an age where,
you know,
388
00:16:11,567 --> 00:16:12,633
I was-I was younger, you know?
389
00:16:12,767 --> 00:16:14,633
I had a slightly different
body than what I have now.
390
00:16:14,767 --> 00:16:16,800
And I just wanted to show off.
- This's what everybody needs.
391
00:16:16,934 --> 00:16:19,300
Here is a tool belt.
392
00:16:19,433 --> 00:16:20,867
He doesn't come
with the tool belt.
393
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:21,900
Sorry about that.
394
00:16:22,033 --> 00:16:24,600
Yes, I remember the
tool belt with like,
395
00:16:24,734 --> 00:16:26,633
there were vibrators
in some of the slots.
396
00:16:26,767 --> 00:16:30,567
Of course you can have
your G-spot stimulator.
397
00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:33,400
I think, were there
handcuffs, too?
398
00:16:33,533 --> 00:16:35,767
If I remember correct,
maybe not.
399
00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:39,266
Oh, we've got a butt
plug stimulator here,
400
00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,567
with the remote control yet.
401
00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:44,066
I mean, I thought of everything,
absolutely everything.
402
00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,633
Germain: She would
pull the different sex toys
403
00:16:45,767 --> 00:16:46,800
out of the tool belt.
404
00:16:46,934 --> 00:16:50,633
And the construction
worker gimmick like,
405
00:16:50,767 --> 00:16:53,467
it, uh, it definitely
made me more comfortable
406
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,133
with getting dressed up in the
bedroom and-and doing things
407
00:16:56,266 --> 00:17:00,533
because people are turned on
by many, many different things.
408
00:17:00,667 --> 00:17:03,867
Ya never know,
when the lights are out,
409
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,333
you're gonna go-[clicks tongue]
410
00:17:05,467 --> 00:17:08,133
wink-wink, nudge-nudge,
have fun.
411
00:17:09,467 --> 00:17:14,000
Margaret: There's such a vast
definition of what pleasure is for people.
412
00:17:14,133 --> 00:17:18,033
And what really makes
us feel sexual,
413
00:17:18,166 --> 00:17:20,100
feel turned on is so individual,
414
00:17:20,233 --> 00:17:21,934
it is like a fingerprint.
415
00:17:22,066 --> 00:17:24,834
When you use the vibrator
all by yourself,
416
00:17:24,967 --> 00:17:27,000
you can do what you want,
when you want,
417
00:17:27,133 --> 00:17:28,200
how you want it.
418
00:17:28,333 --> 00:17:31,000
You can stop, you can start,
you can add more lube.
419
00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:33,100
You don't have to think
about your partner.
420
00:17:33,233 --> 00:17:34,433
You know, where's he at?
421
00:17:34,567 --> 00:17:37,000
Is he tired or is she tired
or are they pooped out,
422
00:17:37,133 --> 00:17:39,033
or have they lost interest or,
423
00:17:39,166 --> 00:17:41,033
am I ever gonna reach orgasm?
424
00:17:41,166 --> 00:17:43,233
And you put so much
pressure on yourself.
425
00:17:43,367 --> 00:17:45,333
When you're by yourself,
you don't do that.
426
00:17:45,467 --> 00:17:49,033
I love the fact that Sue was
starting those conversations
427
00:17:49,166 --> 00:17:51,166
and pushing the narrative
that this matters.
428
00:17:51,300 --> 00:17:53,400
For a long time the
messaging that I received
429
00:17:53,533 --> 00:17:56,467
is that your pleasure
happens in between
430
00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,467
what works best for the man.
431
00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,934
So what you've gotta do
now is figure out, okay,
432
00:18:02,066 --> 00:18:07,000
what do I do with my
vibrator that works so well?
433
00:18:07,533 --> 00:18:12,400
And then you share that
information with your partner.
434
00:18:22,333 --> 00:18:25,500
Lorraine: What stands out to
me about listening to Sue was,
435
00:18:25,633 --> 00:18:29,767
in a culture where we have so
many issues around consent,
436
00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:31,934
so many issues around
sexual assault,
437
00:18:32,066 --> 00:18:38,100
uh, I think to emphasize
pleasure is something radical.
438
00:18:40,667 --> 00:18:43,133
It's important for me to focus
on pleasure in my workshops
439
00:18:43,266 --> 00:18:45,633
because I find that is the thing
440
00:18:45,767 --> 00:18:48,500
that people are
missing the most.
441
00:18:51,266 --> 00:18:52,934
Okay, welcome everybody!
442
00:18:53,066 --> 00:18:55,200
Thank you so much for
being here today.
443
00:18:55,333 --> 00:18:57,033
Of course you know
that you are here
444
00:18:57,166 --> 00:18:59,467
for the sophisticated hand job!
445
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,166
But I really like to emphasize
that it is extremely important
446
00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:06,266
that you are not just focusing
on your partner's pleasure,
447
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,600
but also having a good
time for yourself.
448
00:19:08,734 --> 00:19:11,266
I really feel like when it
comes to the practicality
449
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,467
of having pleasurable sex,
450
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,900
we don't learn about that.
451
00:19:16,033 --> 00:19:18,433
And I just found when
I started having sex
452
00:19:18,567 --> 00:19:20,633
I really noticed that I
didn't feel confident
453
00:19:20,767 --> 00:19:21,800
with certain things
454
00:19:21,934 --> 00:19:24,266
and certainly handling
a penis was like,
455
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,133
really high on that list.
456
00:19:26,266 --> 00:19:29,967
I think people are fed an
image as well of sexuality
457
00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:31,967
that it should be pleasurable
458
00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:36,834
but they're not given the tools
to get there for themselves.
459
00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:40,433
So I'm going to now
hand out some dildos,
460
00:19:40,567 --> 00:19:43,500
the moment everybody's
been waiting for! Woo-hoo!
461
00:19:43,633 --> 00:19:47,767
[laughs] Fantastic.
462
00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:51,333
There is a lot of
challenges that come up
463
00:19:51,467 --> 00:19:54,967
for, um, women taking that class
464
00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:58,800
because they compare
themselves to pornography.
465
00:19:58,934 --> 00:20:01,800
And they also sometimes
have partners
466
00:20:01,934 --> 00:20:04,133
who are trying to achieve
467
00:20:04,266 --> 00:20:06,700
what they've found
stimulating in porn.
468
00:20:06,834 --> 00:20:09,133
There's still choices,
and they're all the same.
469
00:20:09,266 --> 00:20:10,266
[group laughing]
470
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,467
Caller:
My problem is
471
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,600
I can't seem to go down
deep enough for him.
472
00:20:15,734 --> 00:20:16,633
Okay.
473
00:20:16,767 --> 00:20:19,700
And I was wondering
how to do that,
474
00:20:19,834 --> 00:20:22,200
you know, or go deeper
to pleasure him more.
475
00:20:22,333 --> 00:20:27,166
A blowjob in-in porn
is not realistic.
476
00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,333
So if you think you're
gonna take that whole thing
477
00:20:29,467 --> 00:20:30,333
in your mouth,
478
00:20:30,467 --> 00:20:32,233
you're gonna throw up.
479
00:20:32,367 --> 00:20:33,400
That's not fun.
480
00:20:33,533 --> 00:20:36,133
As a guy, we're so
fixated on size.
481
00:20:36,266 --> 00:20:37,500
The message I got from porn was,
482
00:20:37,633 --> 00:20:41,367
that guy's got a penis bigger
than nine of my penises.
483
00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:44,834
Having a small penis
is not a detriment.
484
00:20:44,967 --> 00:20:46,567
It really isn't.
485
00:20:47,033 --> 00:20:48,867
Here I am with my
average wiener,
486
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,300
so I never expected a
girl to react like that.
487
00:20:52,433 --> 00:20:53,900
And when they did, I was like,
488
00:20:54,033 --> 00:20:55,700
what's wrong with you?
489
00:20:55,834 --> 00:20:57,567
[smooching]
[playful music]
490
00:20:57,700 --> 00:20:58,734
[sighing]
491
00:20:58,867 --> 00:21:01,000
[clattering]
492
00:21:01,133 --> 00:21:05,800
Nina: What I want everyone to
know about filmed sexual content,
493
00:21:05,934 --> 00:21:08,433
um, that's for
entertainment purposes,
494
00:21:08,567 --> 00:21:11,200
is that it is a paid
professional performance
495
00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:12,934
of a fantasy scenario.
496
00:21:14,533 --> 00:21:15,867
[moaning]
497
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,166
Margaret: One of the
really confusing things I think
498
00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:23,100
and the myth of porn is that
there's a simultaneous orgasm,
499
00:21:23,233 --> 00:21:25,667
that it comes through humping.
500
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,433
That's really just what we see.
501
00:21:27,567 --> 00:21:28,767
It's just a lot of humping!
502
00:21:28,900 --> 00:21:33,400
And there doesn't seem to
be a focus on sensuality.
503
00:21:33,533 --> 00:21:37,633
There's a kind of, uh,
negation of sex toys,
504
00:21:37,767 --> 00:21:43,700
as if the sex toy
represented, um,
505
00:21:43,834 --> 00:21:46,433
a misfire of masculinity.
506
00:21:46,567 --> 00:21:47,967
Since the time we've
been together
507
00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:51,867
she has not had an orgasm
without external stimulation
508
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,233
via a vibrator or an
enhancement gel of some kind.
509
00:21:56,367 --> 00:21:58,266
And we wanna try to
get away from that.
510
00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,433
Why?
511
00:21:59,567 --> 00:22:03,166
Mother Nature designed us
so that females reach orgasm
512
00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:05,367
with clitoral stimulation,
513
00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:09,667
and our clitoris really doesn't
care where that comes from.
514
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,500
It really doesn't matter.
515
00:22:11,633 --> 00:22:13,967
So if it works, go for it.
516
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:15,467
Caller:
Yes, ma'am.
517
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,433
[curious music]
518
00:22:20,567 --> 00:22:21,967
Woman: My hands
are getting a workout.
519
00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:23,100
Woman 2:
Yeah, I was just gonna say.
520
00:22:23,233 --> 00:22:24,500
Woman:
I was just gonna say, yeah.
521
00:22:24,633 --> 00:22:26,667
Like, it sounds like
this is the main event
522
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,433
and it's all for him, right?
523
00:22:28,567 --> 00:22:30,133
But what if I wanna
have a good time,
524
00:22:30,266 --> 00:22:31,200
you know, like?
- Yeah!
525
00:22:31,333 --> 00:22:34,100
Get him going and then
we could, you know, like-
526
00:22:34,233 --> 00:22:35,367
Lorraine:
Yeah, absolutely!
527
00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:38,433
Take that idea sort of
out of the mind of like,
528
00:22:38,567 --> 00:22:41,633
you know, that I'm
here because like,
529
00:22:41,767 --> 00:22:43,700
you know, I started
something with this person
530
00:22:43,834 --> 00:22:46,133
and now like I kind of
owe them an orgasm.
531
00:22:46,266 --> 00:22:50,000
It is about always, like,
a co-created experience.
532
00:22:50,133 --> 00:22:52,967
Pleasure is the
thing that makes sex
533
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:55,533
really worthwhile to people.
534
00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:57,867
Um, and so I feel like
that's something that
535
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,433
I really learned from Sue
because that's how she was.
536
00:23:02,567 --> 00:23:06,764
If you are not enjoying
yourself then what's the point?
537
00:23:06,816 --> 00:23:07,691
Woman: I agree.
538
00:23:07,738 --> 00:23:09,277
- You know, you might as
well kind of walk out the door.
539
00:23:09,412 --> 00:23:11,379
[group laughing]
540
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:20,066
[birds chirping]
[people chattering]
541
00:23:21,867 --> 00:23:22,900
Sue:
Let's move on.
542
00:23:23,033 --> 00:23:24,734
And we've got
Nicole on the line.
543
00:23:24,867 --> 00:23:26,200
Hi, Nicole?
544
00:23:26,333 --> 00:23:28,100
Nicole: Hi Sue, I watch
the show all the time.
545
00:23:28,233 --> 00:23:29,300
I love you, Sue.
546
00:23:29,433 --> 00:23:30,600
Oh, thank you.
547
00:23:30,734 --> 00:23:33,433
Even though we're
slightly off the wall?
548
00:23:33,567 --> 00:23:36,433
Nicole: [chuckles] Well,
that's why I watch you.
549
00:23:36,567 --> 00:23:39,333
But I'm a lesbian and
my girlfriend and I,
550
00:23:39,467 --> 00:23:42,667
we just introduced anal
beads into our relationship.
551
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,934
Yeah?
552
00:23:44,066 --> 00:23:45,266
Nicole: And we wanna
know, when's the best time
553
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,633
to actually take them out?
554
00:23:47,767 --> 00:23:49,800
Sue: When's the best
time to take them out?
555
00:23:49,934 --> 00:23:53,667
Like, um, uh, when
do you insert them?
556
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,734
Nicole:
Before sex.
557
00:23:54,867 --> 00:23:57,467
Sue:
Oh, before sex, okay.
558
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,100
No, yeah, you'd take
them out afterwards,
559
00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:03,400
when you're finished,
wouldn't you?
560
00:24:03,533 --> 00:24:07,266
Nicole: Well, sometimes she'll
take them out when I climax.
561
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,567
Sometimes it's like,
she'll just take them out
562
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:11,967
but we don't know when's the
best time to take it out.
563
00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:13,300
Sue:
You know what?
564
00:24:13,433 --> 00:24:15,633
I don't think there is any
right time or wrong time.
565
00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:17,767
It's whenever it
feels good for you.
566
00:24:18,934 --> 00:24:20,333
That was Sue.
567
00:24:20,467 --> 00:24:22,767
So I am curious,
568
00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:24,533
what were your
overall impressions?
569
00:24:24,667 --> 00:24:26,200
Female Student: I loved her energy
and how she answered questions so easily.
570
00:24:26,333 --> 00:24:27,200
They were kind of like flowy,
571
00:24:27,333 --> 00:24:28,500
like with the
people's personalities,
572
00:24:28,633 --> 00:24:31,300
how they would answer
and I found it just more,
573
00:24:31,433 --> 00:24:35,033
kind of a conversation more
than just like a doctor's visit.
574
00:24:35,166 --> 00:24:36,033
Nadine:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
575
00:24:36,166 --> 00:24:37,200
How she'll explain it, yeah.
576
00:24:37,333 --> 00:24:38,533
And they're like,
when should I take it?
577
00:24:38,667 --> 00:24:40,667
And then she's like,
what do you mean?
578
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,700
Like you just... whenever,
and it was like, oh, okay.
579
00:24:44,834 --> 00:24:46,133
Like, some, yeah.
580
00:24:46,266 --> 00:24:49,967
Nadine: I love that whole
segment because Sue's just like,
581
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:51,166
oh, you have a question
about anal beads?
582
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:52,200
Yeah, here are mine.
583
00:24:52,333 --> 00:24:53,834
[group laughing]
584
00:24:53,967 --> 00:24:56,734
Nadine: I think Sue was
popular because she was honest.
585
00:24:56,867 --> 00:24:58,367
She was straightforward.
586
00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:01,567
She was non-judgmental.
587
00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:03,800
She met people
where they were at.
588
00:25:03,934 --> 00:25:06,000
It was just havin'
a conversation.
589
00:25:06,133 --> 00:25:08,166
Student: Yeah, she just made
everyone feel comfortable.
590
00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:10,367
Female Student:
Yeah, no matter how weird
591
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:12,033
or like embarrassing
of a question it was.
592
00:25:12,166 --> 00:25:13,633
Nadine: She was just like,
yeah, all right, you know,
593
00:25:13,767 --> 00:25:14,633
this is you, this is your life,
594
00:25:14,767 --> 00:25:16,033
this is your thing.
595
00:25:16,166 --> 00:25:17,734
Let's talk about it.
596
00:25:17,867 --> 00:25:19,667
She's fantastic, yeah.
597
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:26,767
[slow lighthearted music]
[crowd chattering]
598
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,934
Sue: I didn't know anything
about sex when I was young,
599
00:25:35,066 --> 00:25:37,400
but you got a distinct feeling
600
00:25:37,533 --> 00:25:40,200
by the absence of
the conversation,
601
00:25:40,333 --> 00:25:41,667
it was a no-no.
602
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,800
On the way home we
stopped and parked
603
00:25:45,834 --> 00:25:48,700
and then things
seemed to happen,
604
00:25:48,834 --> 00:25:50,433
'till we nearly...
605
00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:53,967
Suddenly I realized
what we were about to do.
606
00:25:55,433 --> 00:25:57,734
I asked Jeff to take me home.
607
00:25:57,867 --> 00:26:00,867
Sue: It was something
you just don't do.
608
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,467
Don't even think about it.
609
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,767
An unplanned teenage pregnancy
610
00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:10,533
was totally unacceptable.
611
00:26:10,667 --> 00:26:14,300
Actress: You'll have to
work out your own best way
612
00:26:14,433 --> 00:26:18,000
to make emotions work for
you and not against you.
613
00:26:20,033 --> 00:26:23,967
Sue: I was born
in Toronto in 1930.
614
00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:29,066
My birth mother passed
when I was 10 years of age.
615
00:26:30,433 --> 00:26:34,767
My father, he was not
on the scene too much.
616
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:38,967
He was having a few
problems with alcohol.
617
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:42,967
Jane: Mom was raised
by her mother's sister.
618
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:46,266
And her mother's sister
didn't really like Sue.
619
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,233
So basically, Mom didn't have
620
00:26:48,367 --> 00:26:51,567
a really loving,
nurturing environment,
621
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:54,667
um, and I think that that
must have been hard for her.
622
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,133
Interviewer: Did you feel listened
to when you were younger?
623
00:26:58,266 --> 00:26:59,166
Or did you feel-
- Oh, no.
624
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:00,767
Yeah.
- No, no.
625
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:02,767
Interviewer: So you didn't have
a voice when you were younger?
626
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:06,967
Oh, no, no, no.
Wouldn't dare.
627
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:09,367
Wouldn't dare, no.
628
00:27:10,667 --> 00:27:15,266
I trained for nursing
in a hospital,
629
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,867
St. Boniface Hospital
in Winnipeg,
630
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,967
under the Grey Nuns.
631
00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:24,266
And they were very
uncomfortable ladies
632
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,633
who never talked about sex.
633
00:27:26,767 --> 00:27:31,633
Jane: It was a nun-run
institution, where they, you know,
634
00:27:31,767 --> 00:27:35,000
two or three years and you
were ready to wear the cap
635
00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:37,400
and, um, and the
white strict outfit,
636
00:27:37,533 --> 00:27:40,133
which, uh, my mom was
so defiant about.
637
00:27:40,266 --> 00:27:42,667
She always would put
her cap a little askew,
638
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,700
or she'd hike her dress
up a little too high,
639
00:27:45,834 --> 00:27:48,200
because she just was
a bit of a clown.
640
00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:52,066
[gentle playful music]
641
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,533
Oh, yes.
642
00:27:53,667 --> 00:27:58,800
In those days the other
girls wore garter belts
643
00:27:58,934 --> 00:28:00,633
with snaps on their nylons.
644
00:28:00,767 --> 00:28:04,900
And I rolled them up,
nylons up to the knees.
645
00:28:05,033 --> 00:28:08,734
I was pretty liberal,
let's put it that way.
646
00:28:09,367 --> 00:28:10,433
Interviewer:
Look at that.
647
00:28:10,567 --> 00:28:12,166
Oh, yes.
648
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:13,834
Yeah, there we were.
649
00:28:13,967 --> 00:28:16,200
Graduate we did.
650
00:28:16,333 --> 00:28:19,000
She did, Hazel Carnegie did.
651
00:28:19,133 --> 00:28:20,700
I did.
652
00:28:20,834 --> 00:28:25,233
There was that aura
of being a nurse.
653
00:28:25,367 --> 00:28:28,200
You know, for a good time,
call a nurse.
654
00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:32,300
Um, so I decided to enjoy it.
655
00:28:35,233 --> 00:28:39,433
I would be 25,
I'd just finished nursing.
656
00:28:39,567 --> 00:28:42,934
I met the man that I
was going to marry.
657
00:28:43,066 --> 00:28:47,033
And I knew the evening I met him
658
00:28:47,166 --> 00:28:49,467
that I was going to marry him.
659
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,967
[dreamy music]
660
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,400
Sue: Ejnor was
very good-looking,
661
00:28:58,533 --> 00:29:00,500
well-spoken,
662
00:29:00,633 --> 00:29:01,633
quieter,
663
00:29:01,767 --> 00:29:05,567
less forceful than I was.
664
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:08,033
You could probably say I ruled.
665
00:29:09,333 --> 00:29:14,300
It was a good marriage,
with wonderful kids.
666
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:20,767
They arrived rather quickly,
about 10 months apart.
667
00:29:22,433 --> 00:29:26,967
My husband kind of regarded
me as a walking ovary,
668
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:29,066
looking for a place to happen.
669
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:38,500
Jane:
She taught me how to sew.
670
00:29:38,633 --> 00:29:40,133
She taught me how to knit.
671
00:29:40,266 --> 00:29:42,233
She taught me how
to make sourdough.
672
00:29:42,367 --> 00:29:44,133
She taught me how to bake.
673
00:29:44,266 --> 00:29:46,767
Did she teach me anything
about sex and sexuality?
674
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:49,066
I would say absolutely not.
675
00:29:52,967 --> 00:29:56,200
I couldn't hear about
sex from my mom.
676
00:29:56,333 --> 00:29:58,433
But my friends, they'd come over
677
00:29:58,567 --> 00:30:01,533
and they would find out
that Sue was a nurse,
678
00:30:01,667 --> 00:30:06,233
and they didn't think
twice about just asking her
679
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,200
things that were on their mind
680
00:30:09,333 --> 00:30:11,166
or questions that
they had about stuff.
681
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:14,367
I think Sue was motivated
because she had children.
682
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:16,133
And she was a nurse,
683
00:30:16,266 --> 00:30:19,033
and at that time I think
her kids had questions
684
00:30:19,166 --> 00:30:21,500
and she really didn't know
how to answer these questions.
685
00:30:21,633 --> 00:30:23,633
So she started learning
686
00:30:23,767 --> 00:30:25,734
about how to talk
to kids about sex.
687
00:30:27,367 --> 00:30:30,667
Sue: The Grey Nuns were
not exactly great teachers
688
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,800
about human sexuality.
689
00:30:34,633 --> 00:30:40,600
So I had to go back and
learn that at university.
690
00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:46,533
Jane: She was taking courses
down at Ann Arbor, Michigan,
691
00:30:46,667 --> 00:30:50,467
and she attended OISE to
further her education.
692
00:30:51,867 --> 00:30:53,734
And she did a hell
of a lot of reading.
693
00:30:53,867 --> 00:30:57,066
Her bookcase was just
bursting with, you know,
694
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,100
"Sexually Transmitted Diseases:
Signs and Symptoms".
695
00:31:01,767 --> 00:31:05,834
I think the big kicker
was my sister came home
696
00:31:05,967 --> 00:31:08,066
with a friend from high school,
697
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,600
who was at a very young age,
698
00:31:09,734 --> 00:31:12,100
14, 15, 16, somewhere in there,
699
00:31:12,233 --> 00:31:15,500
who believed that
they were pregnant.
700
00:31:15,633 --> 00:31:18,166
And of course in
those days in Canada,
701
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:19,900
we couldn't talk
about birth control.
702
00:31:20,033 --> 00:31:22,033
Abortion was illegal,
703
00:31:22,166 --> 00:31:25,066
and it was very
traumatic for her.
704
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,433
And I just realized,
705
00:31:26,567 --> 00:31:30,333
I do not want kids going
through this ever again.
706
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:32,767
Sue:
It was devastating.
707
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:37,133
She'd had an abortion and
terminated the pregnancy.
708
00:31:38,333 --> 00:31:41,633
That bothered me terribly.
709
00:31:41,767 --> 00:31:42,633
Jane:
And that was it.
710
00:31:42,767 --> 00:31:44,300
I think that was
like bee in bonnet
711
00:31:44,433 --> 00:31:45,867
and Mom went, oh, wait,
712
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,567
we need some place
for teenagers to go
713
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:52,200
so that they don't get
pregnant in the first place.
714
00:32:02,333 --> 00:32:12,300
♪
715
00:32:13,333 --> 00:32:18,033
Jeff: The clinic was
unique, uh, in Canada, really,
716
00:32:18,166 --> 00:32:20,867
to be in a high school,
Don Mills Collegiate,
717
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,900
and it was geared
for adolescents.
718
00:32:23,033 --> 00:32:25,900
I mean, teenage sex was a taboo
719
00:32:26,033 --> 00:32:27,700
and nobody would talk about it.
720
00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:30,934
And kids were at risk
in their environments.
721
00:32:36,567 --> 00:32:37,934
Hi.
- Hi, come on in.
722
00:32:38,066 --> 00:32:40,567
Jeff: The teenage pregnancy
rate in the '70s was very high.
723
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:42,667
They're out.
- Your folks?
724
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,900
Uh huh.
- Oh.
725
00:32:45,033 --> 00:32:46,333
And when are they coming back?
726
00:32:46,467 --> 00:32:48,433
Oh, they said late.
727
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,166
Jane: My sister and I
both started working there
728
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:53,433
being receptionists.
729
00:32:53,567 --> 00:32:55,400
The most common thing that
kids would come in for
730
00:32:55,533 --> 00:32:57,000
was usually birth control.
731
00:32:57,133 --> 00:32:59,100
They were nervous
about getting pregnant.
732
00:32:59,233 --> 00:33:01,266
I'm not even on the pill.
733
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,133
I know a lot of other girls are,
but I just don't know.
734
00:33:07,934 --> 00:33:09,100
Well...
735
00:33:09,233 --> 00:33:13,133
Sue: Oh yeah, we had
kids lined up out the hall.
736
00:33:13,266 --> 00:33:14,533
And they were telling mom
737
00:33:14,667 --> 00:33:17,100
that they were going
to basketball practice
738
00:33:17,233 --> 00:33:20,133
and library and, oh,
all the rest of it.
739
00:33:20,266 --> 00:33:23,200
Oh, the clinic went crazy.
740
00:33:23,333 --> 00:33:24,567
Jane:
She was like a counselor,
741
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:28,367
and people were so comfortable
talking to Sue, oh my gosh.
742
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,533
Sue:
I never said, "You should."
743
00:33:31,667 --> 00:33:33,767
That word was verboten.
744
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,333
You didn't use that word at all.
745
00:33:36,467 --> 00:33:40,233
It was always, you could do this
746
00:33:40,367 --> 00:33:41,600
and this might happen,
747
00:33:41,734 --> 00:33:44,333
but, yeah, on the other hand,
you could do that
748
00:33:44,467 --> 00:33:47,233
and it, then the other
thing might happen.
749
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,734
Let me tell ya, she's so old
750
00:33:51,867 --> 00:33:54,100
she hasn't done it
in thirty years!
751
00:33:54,233 --> 00:33:55,767
[audience laughing]
[audience cheering]
752
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:58,834
Jane: As soon as the
birth control clinic was open,
753
00:33:58,967 --> 00:34:02,066
then Mom started teaching
in like schools in the area.
754
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,033
I figure I've got
about 15 seconds
755
00:34:06,867 --> 00:34:09,333
to establish credibility,
756
00:34:09,467 --> 00:34:12,800
to prove to you that I know
what I'm talking about.
757
00:34:12,934 --> 00:34:14,934
Nadine: Sue Johanson
came to my school
758
00:34:15,066 --> 00:34:19,333
and it was amazing how quickly
we all felt comfortable,
759
00:34:19,467 --> 00:34:21,867
and it felt like normal
and cool to just be like,
760
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,200
I have questions.
761
00:34:23,333 --> 00:34:26,200
Make sure if you're going to be
involved in sexual activity,
762
00:34:26,333 --> 00:34:29,266
you get a method
that's gonna work.
763
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,467
'Cause one in five
teenagers gets pregnant
764
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,266
the first time she does it.
765
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Just make sure you are not
amongst those statistics.
766
00:34:40,133 --> 00:34:41,500
[gentle music]
[audience applauding]
767
00:34:41,633 --> 00:34:43,166
Female Student:
She made it fun
768
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,166
and different from health
class or something like that,
769
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,233
where you have to learn it
and then write a test on it.
770
00:34:47,367 --> 00:34:49,033
But here it was something
that you could just listen to
771
00:34:49,166 --> 00:34:50,734
and think about.
772
00:34:50,867 --> 00:34:52,467
She's really gonna
make people realize
773
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,467
that it's something that
you have to think about.
774
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,667
My mom doesn't
really discuss it.
775
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,667
She doesn't?
776
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,834
No, she doesn't like to...
777
00:34:59,967 --> 00:35:02,300
she doesn't really like
to talk about that stuff.
778
00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:05,567
Carlyle: Sex was nowhere
on my radar at that point,
779
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:10,834
partly because I never was
exposed to sex in my household.
780
00:35:10,967 --> 00:35:12,500
We didn't talk about it.
781
00:35:12,633 --> 00:35:13,834
And she came in and she said,
782
00:35:13,967 --> 00:35:15,533
"I know some of you might
or already be having sex,"
783
00:35:15,667 --> 00:35:16,667
and I was shocked.
784
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,600
I was thinking,
who's having sex?
785
00:35:18,734 --> 00:35:19,834
And I realized, okay,
786
00:35:19,967 --> 00:35:22,233
get your head out of
the sand, Carlyle.
787
00:35:22,367 --> 00:35:24,400
Some of these people
are already having sex,
788
00:35:24,533 --> 00:35:26,767
even if it's just with
themselves, right?
789
00:35:27,967 --> 00:35:31,333
She just kind of normalized
it for me in particular,
790
00:35:31,467 --> 00:35:34,533
and made it seem as
though it was something
791
00:35:34,667 --> 00:35:35,834
that we needed to learn about,
792
00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:40,066
just as we needed to learn
about healthy food and exercise
793
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,767
and how our different
parts of our bodies work,
794
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,500
that sex was just one of
those parts of our body.
795
00:35:46,633 --> 00:35:49,867
Sue:
Females are not even told
796
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,400
how to identify when they
are sexually aroused.
797
00:35:55,934 --> 00:35:58,133
Guys know when they're
sexually aroused.
798
00:35:58,266 --> 00:35:59,633
[audience laughing]
799
00:35:59,767 --> 00:36:02,000
There's no question,
they've got this indicator!
800
00:36:02,133 --> 00:36:03,533
[audience laughing]
801
00:36:03,667 --> 00:36:05,100
Nadine: There was this
moment we were all like,
802
00:36:05,233 --> 00:36:08,033
oh, we've all been sort
of quietly to ourselves
803
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:09,400
been thinking about these things
804
00:36:09,533 --> 00:36:11,367
and wondering about these things
805
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:14,934
and-and we all felt like,
oh, it must just be me,
806
00:36:15,066 --> 00:36:16,133
because no one's
talking about it.
807
00:36:16,266 --> 00:36:19,400
And she just opened it
up and it was like, oh!
808
00:36:19,533 --> 00:36:22,667
A lot of us are curious
about these things.
809
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,567
A lot of us are thinking
about these things.
810
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:28,433
And then you didn't
feel weird or isolated
811
00:36:28,567 --> 00:36:30,734
or like there was
something wrong with you.
812
00:36:32,533 --> 00:36:35,467
Sue: I got fed up with
parents who were saying
813
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,633
parents should be
the sex educators
814
00:36:38,767 --> 00:36:40,600
for their own children.
815
00:36:40,734 --> 00:36:43,266
And then they were heading,
you know,
816
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,000
anywhere but talking about sex.
817
00:36:47,133 --> 00:36:48,934
It's a question of what message
818
00:36:49,066 --> 00:36:51,800
about how sexuality is
meant to be expressed,
819
00:36:51,934 --> 00:36:54,100
and how good it is and
how important it is,
820
00:36:54,233 --> 00:36:56,367
and how you're not supposed
to waste your treasure.
821
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:57,367
That's what matters.
822
00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:58,533
Sue Johanson?
823
00:36:58,667 --> 00:36:59,767
Well, of course I have a problem
824
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:02,233
with wasting your treasure,
825
00:37:02,367 --> 00:37:04,367
because that puts a
whole different image
826
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,100
on the whole thing.
827
00:37:06,567 --> 00:37:08,700
Jane:
If Mom had any pushback,
828
00:37:08,834 --> 00:37:12,200
it was from people who
were anti-abortion.
829
00:37:12,333 --> 00:37:15,100
[gentle music]
830
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:16,800
Sue:
I was non-critical.
831
00:37:16,934 --> 00:37:18,767
Hey, I don't like abortion,
832
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:23,100
but there are times
when it's necessary,
833
00:37:23,233 --> 00:37:25,700
like it or not, Susie.
834
00:37:25,834 --> 00:37:27,800
Um, put up and shut up.
835
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,033
I hated to be seen as somebody
836
00:37:32,166 --> 00:37:35,200
who was promoting abortion.
837
00:37:35,333 --> 00:37:38,166
'Cause I wasn't
promoting abortion.
838
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:40,734
I was trying to prevent it.
839
00:37:42,266 --> 00:37:45,367
Sue: Mom was a huge
supporter of abortion clinics
840
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:48,233
and Morgentaler and the work
that he did in Montreal.
841
00:37:48,367 --> 00:37:50,867
We didn't promote that
and we didn't provide it
842
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,533
but she wanted kids
to be educated
843
00:37:53,667 --> 00:37:55,667
so they never even got to
that place in the first place.
844
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,467
[poignant music]
845
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,867
Nadine:
Literally for centuries,
846
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,400
we have lived in a
culture and in societies
847
00:38:04,533 --> 00:38:07,066
that have told us to
be afraid of sex,
848
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,667
that, uh, sex and
sexuality are bad,
849
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,367
that they need to be, you know,
850
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:15,066
very heavily
controlled and managed,
851
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,533
and that we shouldn't
talk about it.
852
00:38:17,667 --> 00:38:20,500
And so it just seems scary.
853
00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:24,266
Dan: The problem
with sex education
854
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,333
is that it doesn't
really cover sex.
855
00:38:26,467 --> 00:38:28,000
It covers reproductive biology,
856
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:30,533
how to make a baby,
how to avoid making a baby.
857
00:38:30,667 --> 00:38:33,066
You can cover that
in 45 minutes.
858
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,800
Teacher: The sperm
meets the egg in this tube.
859
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:40,967
Then the fertilized egg becomes
attached to the uterus wall,
860
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:45,200
and the cells multiply
and grow into a baby.
861
00:38:45,333 --> 00:38:47,767
Yeah, but how's it get there?
862
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,934
You know, not just the
sperm and egg stuff.
863
00:38:51,066 --> 00:38:53,900
I mean, well,
what really happens?
864
00:38:54,033 --> 00:38:57,300
Oh, what you wanna know
about is sexual intercourse.
865
00:38:57,433 --> 00:38:59,900
Well, that happens like this.
866
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:01,700
Here.
867
00:39:02,266 --> 00:39:04,800
Dan: I always compare
sex ed, as we have it,
868
00:39:04,934 --> 00:39:07,400
uh, to driver's ed where
they just teach you
869
00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:09,934
how the internal
combustion engine works,
870
00:39:10,066 --> 00:39:11,600
but they don't teach you
how to steer or brake
871
00:39:11,734 --> 00:39:16,500
or what the red sign at the
end of the block, uh, means.
872
00:39:16,633 --> 00:39:17,800
And if that was our driver's ed,
873
00:39:17,934 --> 00:39:19,467
the first time you got
behind the wheels of a car
874
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,900
you would kill somebody.
875
00:39:21,033 --> 00:39:23,133
Narrator: When a man and
woman want to make love
876
00:39:23,266 --> 00:39:24,500
or have intercourse,
877
00:39:24,633 --> 00:39:26,967
the man's penis becomes erect
878
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:29,967
so that it can more
easily enter the vagina.
879
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:32,233
Bree: I think I would've
been in the fifth grade,
880
00:39:32,367 --> 00:39:36,166
and there was one
or two lessons, um,
881
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:38,600
that were taught by my
elementary school teacher.
882
00:39:38,734 --> 00:39:40,600
This is what the male
body looks like.
883
00:39:40,734 --> 00:39:42,166
This is what the female
body looks like.
884
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:44,133
This is how you put them
together to make a baby.
885
00:39:44,266 --> 00:39:46,633
And let's move on
to English class.
886
00:39:48,166 --> 00:39:50,934
I mean, definitely there
was nothing about sexuality.
887
00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:54,667
Narrator: The fertilized egg now
continues on its way to the uterus.
888
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,800
Dan: And most
people's sexual interests
889
00:39:55,934 --> 00:39:58,166
do fall outside of
reproductive biology.
890
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:00,834
What trips people up is,
what do I want?
891
00:40:00,967 --> 00:40:02,467
How do I ask for it?
892
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,000
How do you negotiate
consensual sexual activity?
893
00:40:05,133 --> 00:40:06,100
How do you [beep]?
894
00:40:06,233 --> 00:40:07,867
How do you get laid?
895
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,433
We fear that if we let younger
people know it feels good,
896
00:40:12,567 --> 00:40:14,300
they'll go out and do it,
it'll give them permission.
897
00:40:14,433 --> 00:40:16,533
Like, well, look,
898
00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:18,033
we don't need to give
young people permission,
899
00:40:18,166 --> 00:40:19,667
puberty and Mother Nature
900
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,367
do a really good job of,
at a certain point,
901
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:25,000
a person will become interested
902
00:40:25,133 --> 00:40:29,300
in some aspect of
this adult stuff
903
00:40:29,433 --> 00:40:31,000
and will seek information.
904
00:40:31,533 --> 00:40:34,200
Nadine: So something I'm
curious about with you is,
905
00:40:34,333 --> 00:40:37,667
where do people your
age go or, you know,
906
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,900
who do they turn to
907
00:40:39,033 --> 00:40:41,567
when they wanna learn
about sex and sexuality?
908
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:44,333
Student:
It's like people you know who
909
00:40:44,467 --> 00:40:46,133
they've had some experience
so you'll talk to them,
910
00:40:46,266 --> 00:40:48,266
so whether it be friends
or other people,
911
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,667
but also like the internet,
to be honest.
912
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,333
It's-it's mainly the internet.
913
00:40:52,467 --> 00:40:55,033
Okay, and are you,
like, are you Googling?
914
00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:57,000
Are you going on social media?
915
00:40:57,133 --> 00:40:58,333
How do you search
for the information?
916
00:40:58,467 --> 00:41:00,734
I think it's like once you hear
a word you don't know about,
917
00:41:00,867 --> 00:41:02,433
like then you're like,
what is that?
918
00:41:02,567 --> 00:41:05,500
And you'll look it up
and then you're like, oh!
919
00:41:05,633 --> 00:41:06,500
[group laughing]
920
00:41:06,633 --> 00:41:08,500
And then you go like,
oh, okay, cool.
921
00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:09,867
And then like eventually
you'll hear another word
922
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,000
and do the same thing
923
00:41:11,133 --> 00:41:14,567
until you're basically all
knowledged-up, you know.
924
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:15,934
Okay, that's really cool.
925
00:41:16,066 --> 00:41:19,734
Does anybody have specific
sites or specific sources
926
00:41:19,867 --> 00:41:22,433
that you go to online?
927
00:41:22,567 --> 00:41:24,967
Student: There's this
one girl on TikTok,
928
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:26,633
I don't know exactly
what her name is,
929
00:41:26,767 --> 00:41:29,300
but she's got quite a few
followers and she's verified
930
00:41:29,433 --> 00:41:31,300
and I go to her for
a lot of information
931
00:41:31,433 --> 00:41:32,367
and tips and stuff, so.
932
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:33,433
Nadine: Nice.
- Yeah.
933
00:41:33,567 --> 00:41:35,200
Wait, is she the one who
has, like, the boyfriend?
934
00:41:35,333 --> 00:41:36,967
Yes! Yeah, yeah, yeah.
935
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:39,567
Okay, person with the boyfriend.
936
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:40,600
I will find her.
937
00:41:40,734 --> 00:41:42,467
[group laughing]
938
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,100
Nadine: For teens, I
think it can be really hard
939
00:41:45,233 --> 00:41:47,600
to go to a parent and say,
940
00:41:47,734 --> 00:41:50,934
"Okay, I heard about this
like sexual position."
941
00:41:51,066 --> 00:41:53,600
I don't wanna ask my
mom that question.
942
00:41:53,734 --> 00:41:55,433
I don't wanna ask my
teacher that question,
943
00:41:55,567 --> 00:41:57,133
'cause I'm gonna have
to show up the next day
944
00:41:57,266 --> 00:41:58,734
and then be like,
we had this conversation.
945
00:41:58,867 --> 00:42:03,433
But it's like, oh, okay, the
sex talking lady is coming.
946
00:42:03,567 --> 00:42:04,567
I'll ask her.
947
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:07,000
She'll tell me,
she won't be weird about it
948
00:42:07,133 --> 00:42:08,734
and then she'll go away.
949
00:42:13,934 --> 00:42:17,133
If I sort of boil most
of the questions I get
950
00:42:17,266 --> 00:42:18,633
down to their essence,
951
00:42:18,767 --> 00:42:21,834
98% of the time what
they're asking me is,
952
00:42:21,967 --> 00:42:24,400
am I normal? Am I okay?
953
00:42:24,533 --> 00:42:28,367
And pretty much 100% of
the time my answer is yes.
954
00:42:29,433 --> 00:42:30,900
Okay.
955
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:34,300
These are all
fantastic questions.
956
00:42:34,433 --> 00:42:36,233
[bell ringing]
957
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:46,633
[upbeat rock music]
958
00:42:46,767 --> 00:42:47,834
Interviewer: What do
you think is the best way
959
00:42:47,967 --> 00:42:50,333
for you to get your
message across?
960
00:42:50,467 --> 00:42:53,400
Radio. Yeah.
961
00:42:53,533 --> 00:42:55,333
Everybody has a radio.
962
00:42:56,734 --> 00:43:02,300
The radio show came along
as a result of an interview,
963
00:43:02,433 --> 00:43:05,533
on the radio, on Q107,
964
00:43:05,667 --> 00:43:09,867
Toronto's best rock
with Jane Hawtin.
965
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,200
Jane: When I first started
Q107, I was a newscaster.
966
00:43:12,333 --> 00:43:13,700
And then, um,
967
00:43:13,834 --> 00:43:16,500
they decided to create a
show called "Barometer,"
968
00:43:16,633 --> 00:43:18,433
which was a public
affairs program.
969
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:24,600
I think I read in the paper
about her getting into trouble
970
00:43:24,734 --> 00:43:28,467
at Don Mills Collegiate because
she was giving out condoms.
971
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,700
Oh, she sounds perfect
for Barometer.
972
00:43:31,834 --> 00:43:33,400
They're doin' it in
the living room,
973
00:43:33,533 --> 00:43:34,834
the dining room, the kitchen,
974
00:43:34,967 --> 00:43:38,867
the bathroom, the car,
the canoe, wherever.
975
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,900
Jane: We had her on several
times because she was always great.
976
00:43:42,033 --> 00:43:44,834
She was so straightforward
and no nonsense,
977
00:43:44,967 --> 00:43:46,567
but she also had a
great sense of humour.
978
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:49,500
So we really had fun
working together.
979
00:43:49,633 --> 00:43:51,667
And so, when you find
a great personality,
980
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,767
they should have their own show.
981
00:43:54,133 --> 00:43:56,734
Announcer: Welcome to
the Sunday Night Sex Show
982
00:43:56,867 --> 00:43:58,800
on the rock radio network.
983
00:43:58,934 --> 00:44:02,200
Now here's your host,
Sue Johanson.
984
00:44:02,333 --> 00:44:03,300
Sue:
We have Scott on the line.
985
00:44:03,433 --> 00:44:04,333
Hi, Scott.
986
00:44:04,467 --> 00:44:05,333
Scott:
Hi, Sue.
987
00:44:05,467 --> 00:44:07,600
Hi, you got a question?
- Yes.
988
00:44:07,734 --> 00:44:10,533
Jane: The first night on
the Sunday Night Sex Show,
989
00:44:10,667 --> 00:44:12,367
she had talked about anal sex
990
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:14,867
and how to have anal sex safely.
991
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,400
Sue: Who likes rough anal
sex, you or your partner?
992
00:44:18,533 --> 00:44:21,600
Woman: Ha. A little bit
of both but mostly me.
993
00:44:21,734 --> 00:44:25,500
Sue: Would you be honest
enough to say to your partner,
994
00:44:25,633 --> 00:44:27,033
"Ouch, whoa, that hurts"?
995
00:44:27,166 --> 00:44:28,033
Woman:
Oh yeah.
996
00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:29,033
The next morning,
997
00:44:29,166 --> 00:44:30,834
the program director
came into my office
998
00:44:30,967 --> 00:44:33,667
and he was
absolutely apoplectic.
999
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,734
He said, "You have to tell her
1000
00:44:34,867 --> 00:44:36,834
"that she can't talk
about anal sex anymore,
1001
00:44:36,967 --> 00:44:39,066
or-or the show's
gonna get pulled."
1002
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,633
And he tried to make me do it
and I was, I wouldn't do it.
1003
00:44:42,767 --> 00:44:46,033
So, and so the end of the
conversation I remember
1004
00:44:46,166 --> 00:44:48,200
was just something like,
"Well, fine,
1005
00:44:48,333 --> 00:44:49,700
"we'll just see what
happens next week,
1006
00:44:49,834 --> 00:44:51,567
"but she better not
talk about anal sex."
1007
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:52,767
And of course, she did.
1008
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:54,867
Sue: I worry about
it. I worry about it.
1009
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,433
It's up to you,
it's your rectum, not mine.
1010
00:44:57,567 --> 00:45:01,367
[energetic rock music]
1011
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:03,367
Ali: I used to listen to
her on radio all the time
1012
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:04,367
as a pizza driver.
1013
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:05,867
It was a couple of hours.
1014
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,567
I wouldn't miss a segment.
1015
00:45:08,433 --> 00:45:11,400
Driving home from the
cottage on Sunday nights,
1016
00:45:11,533 --> 00:45:12,834
we'd listen to her
stuck in traffic.
1017
00:45:12,967 --> 00:45:15,734
Sue: How do you feel you would
perform in bed with two females?
1018
00:45:15,867 --> 00:45:17,900
Male Caller: Well, I
personally think I'm pretty good.
1019
00:45:19,367 --> 00:45:20,400
Russell:
I was a young teenage boy
1020
00:45:20,533 --> 00:45:22,967
and I had my boombox
beside the bed
1021
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:25,400
and I had this really
dope Hitachi boombox.
1022
00:45:25,533 --> 00:45:26,967
And I would listen to the
radio before I go to bed.
1023
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:28,467
Sunday nights would be
"Sunday Night Funnies."
1024
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,633
And then you'd flip it
over to "Sex with Sue."
1025
00:45:31,767 --> 00:45:35,100
Sue: Carnivores,
their ejaculate is bitter
1026
00:45:35,233 --> 00:45:37,400
and sour and strong.
1027
00:45:37,533 --> 00:45:41,800
Yeah, that's why I'm so prolific
with my sexual knowledge.
1028
00:45:41,934 --> 00:45:43,633
Male Caller: You know
the candy Pop Rocks?
1029
00:45:43,767 --> 00:45:44,934
Sue: Yeah.
- Yeah?
1030
00:45:45,066 --> 00:45:51,166
Okay, is it safe to use
when you're having oral sex?
1031
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:52,867
And then it became like the
thing you would talk about
1032
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,266
the next day, did you guys
listen to "Sex with Sue"
1033
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,266
last night?
1034
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,266
Did you hear about that one guy
1035
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,667
who had a blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah?
1036
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,734
And you're like,
yeah, yeah, yeah!
1037
00:45:58,867 --> 00:46:00,333
It was like, I thought
it was the best thing
1038
00:46:00,467 --> 00:46:02,867
I'd ever heard in my life,
you know what I mean?
1039
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,200
Female Caller:
Yes, a few weeks ago
1040
00:46:05,333 --> 00:46:08,133
me and my boyfriend were having,
you know, intercourse,
1041
00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:11,266
and a very weird noise
came out of my vagina.
1042
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,934
It sounded kind of
like a farting noise.
1043
00:46:13,066 --> 00:46:14,266
Sue: Yeah.
- So embarrassing.
1044
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,266
George:
Sue was on,
1045
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,500
it was mostly in my bedroom
1046
00:46:16,633 --> 00:46:18,867
or in my headphones,
if I was listening to a Walkman
1047
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,600
with a radio player on it.
1048
00:46:20,967 --> 00:46:23,033
Male Caller:
I picked up this prostitute
1049
00:46:23,166 --> 00:46:25,533
and I noticed that I
have these cold sores
1050
00:46:25,667 --> 00:46:27,867
on the inside of my lips.
1051
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,700
It definitely felt
like a secret.
1052
00:46:29,834 --> 00:46:32,867
Okay, can you tell
me first of all,
1053
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,400
how are you feeling right now?
1054
00:46:34,533 --> 00:46:36,133
I mean, I realize
that you're telling,
1055
00:46:36,266 --> 00:46:38,567
you've got no friends
that you can talk to,
1056
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:41,967
and there's just this
great big gap in your life.
1057
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:43,700
Am I right?
- Right.
1058
00:46:43,834 --> 00:46:45,500
They can't find anybody else
1059
00:46:45,633 --> 00:46:47,900
that they can really open up to,
1060
00:46:48,033 --> 00:46:49,633
who will not put them down.
1061
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,100
Radio is the greatest
medium of all
1062
00:46:54,233 --> 00:46:57,000
because radio avoids
1063
00:46:57,133 --> 00:47:01,000
one of the great tragedies
of the human condition,
1064
00:47:01,133 --> 00:47:03,567
which is we judge
by what we see.
1065
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:06,533
When you remove the visuals
from it and you just listen,
1066
00:47:07,533 --> 00:47:08,867
you actually can get some truth.
1067
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,200
Male Caller:
My boyfriend and I,
1068
00:47:10,333 --> 00:47:14,500
we've been having
troubles lately.
1069
00:47:14,633 --> 00:47:16,033
Sue:
Yeah?
1070
00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:18,266
Male Caller: Well, actually,
it's just me with the troubles.
1071
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,433
I can't ejaculate anymore.
1072
00:47:20,567 --> 00:47:22,867
Jane: I should probably be
clear that there were lots of people
1073
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,133
who didn't like
what Sue was doing,
1074
00:47:25,266 --> 00:47:27,734
who didn't like that blunt talk,
1075
00:47:27,867 --> 00:47:30,133
oh, who thought it went too far.
1076
00:47:30,266 --> 00:47:33,433
Ah, because it was
too out there.
1077
00:47:33,567 --> 00:47:37,533
No one pulled advertising
or-or anything like that.
1078
00:47:37,667 --> 00:47:40,367
We were exploring and we
were willing to talk about it.
1079
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:42,900
Our job is to
present information.
1080
00:47:43,033 --> 00:47:44,734
It was also the time.
1081
00:47:44,867 --> 00:47:46,300
it was going to be
really important
1082
00:47:46,433 --> 00:47:49,133
for people to be able
to have sex safely.
1083
00:47:49,266 --> 00:47:51,367
Male Caller:
If a woman is HIV-positive-
1084
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:52,400
Sue:
Yes.
1085
00:47:52,533 --> 00:47:53,533
Male Caller:
And the guy is HIV-negative-
1086
00:47:53,667 --> 00:47:54,934
Sue:
Yes.
1087
00:47:55,066 --> 00:47:57,266
Male Caller: If she was to
orally stimulate his penis,
1088
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,433
would he contract that?
1089
00:47:59,567 --> 00:48:01,166
George: One of the really
important things to consider
1090
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:02,467
when you talk about
Sue's impact,
1091
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:03,767
certainly on a
certain generation,
1092
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:05,734
is that when we were
coming of age sexually,
1093
00:48:05,867 --> 00:48:12,166
in my age group,
AIDS was hitting.
1094
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:14,934
Narrator: There is no
test that can identify AIDS.
1095
00:48:15,066 --> 00:48:17,066
They know the disease
is sexually transmitted,
1096
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,200
particularly by homosexuals,
1097
00:48:19,333 --> 00:48:21,867
and that its symptom is
a rare form of pneumonia
1098
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000
caused by a virus that
kills immunity to illnesses.
1099
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:27,934
Dan:
Well, I came out in 1980.
1100
00:48:28,066 --> 00:48:31,867
So I came out before
HIV/AIDS, just before,
1101
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,500
and then watched as suddenly
all my friends were dying.
1102
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,533
Margaret: The way that AIDS
completely devastated my community,
1103
00:48:43,667 --> 00:48:45,367
it almost cannot
be put into words.
1104
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:48,700
It was so frightening
and so mysterious.
1105
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,367
Nina: The AIDS
epidemic was really raging,
1106
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:54,033
and it was barely being
talked about in the news.
1107
00:48:54,166 --> 00:48:55,700
It was barely being spoken about
1108
00:48:55,834 --> 00:48:57,233
other than the "gay plague."
1109
00:48:57,367 --> 00:48:59,834
We're asking why
potential blood donors
1110
00:48:59,967 --> 00:49:01,900
are not being required
without exception
1111
00:49:02,033 --> 00:49:04,033
to fill out extensive
questionnaires
1112
00:49:05,033 --> 00:49:06,133
under penalty of perjury
1113
00:49:06,266 --> 00:49:08,467
detailing their health
and sexual proclivities.
1114
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,667
Dan: '85, '86 was a
terrifying time to be gay.
1115
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,500
You had prominent, not fringe,
1116
00:49:15,633 --> 00:49:18,133
prominent mainstream
Republicans talking about
1117
00:49:18,266 --> 00:49:21,100
having gay people,
HIV-positive gay people,
1118
00:49:21,233 --> 00:49:24,500
tattooed on their asses
1119
00:49:26,133 --> 00:49:29,767
so that their sex
partners would know.
1120
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:31,300
And it didn't feel hyperbolic.
1121
00:49:31,433 --> 00:49:34,767
It felt like these were
policies and proposals
1122
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:36,700
that were being
seriously floated.
1123
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:39,767
Uh, and it was a scary time.
1124
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:42,300
God is not mocked or
fooled or deceived whatsoever,
1125
00:49:42,433 --> 00:49:43,600
a man or a woman soweth
1126
00:49:43,734 --> 00:49:45,367
that shall that
person also reap.
1127
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:48,867
We do reap it in our flesh when
we violate the laws of God.
1128
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,200
Sue:
Oh yes.
1129
00:49:53,934 --> 00:49:56,100
[sighs]
1130
00:49:56,233 --> 00:49:59,500
Boy oh boy, that's a tough one.
1131
00:49:59,633 --> 00:50:01,533
That was heartbreaking
1132
00:50:01,667 --> 00:50:06,033
because I had a lot of
friends who were gay,
1133
00:50:06,166 --> 00:50:11,000
uh, and that bothered
me a great deal.
1134
00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:17,734
But they obviously felt
that it was a sin.
1135
00:50:17,867 --> 00:50:19,467
And that's a shame.
1136
00:50:19,934 --> 00:50:21,066
Peter:
It's believed there will be
1137
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,900
6 to 7,000 cases of the disease
in this province by 1990,
1138
00:50:26,033 --> 00:50:28,300
and medical treatment
for those patients alone
1139
00:50:28,433 --> 00:50:31,567
is expected to run into the
hundreds of millions of dollars.
1140
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:33,333
[soft music]
1141
00:50:33,467 --> 00:50:34,834
George:
My mother was a nurse.
1142
00:50:34,967 --> 00:50:36,667
She'd come home
from the hospital
1143
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,967
and try to describe what was
happening to these young kids.
1144
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,867
And they were being
treated in hazmat suits.
1145
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,967
They were essentially
in quarantine.
1146
00:50:45,967 --> 00:50:48,934
And there was a lot of fear
because no one knew what it was.
1147
00:50:49,066 --> 00:50:52,233
Ronald: I've asked HHS
to add the AIDS virus
1148
00:50:52,367 --> 00:50:54,734
to the list of
contagious diseases
1149
00:50:54,867 --> 00:50:56,100
for which immigrants and aliens
1150
00:50:56,233 --> 00:50:58,633
seeking permanent residence
in the United States
1151
00:50:58,767 --> 00:51:00,600
can be denied entry.
1152
00:51:00,734 --> 00:51:03,367
[crowd shouting]
1153
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:06,567
Then you hear about it
reaching people you may know.
1154
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:08,500
Because of, um,
1155
00:51:10,367 --> 00:51:13,200
the HIV virus that
I have attained, uh,
1156
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:17,266
I will have to retire
from the Lakers.
1157
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,233
Anthony: He apparently was
practicing unsafe heterosexual sex
1158
00:51:21,367 --> 00:51:23,367
at the time that
he was infected.
1159
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:27,100
And as we've been trying to tell
the general public for so long,
1160
00:51:27,233 --> 00:51:29,200
this can happen
and it does happen.
1161
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:33,200
What HIV did was
force a conversation
1162
00:51:33,333 --> 00:51:35,567
about the sex people
were actually having,
1163
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:37,767
as opposed to a
conversation about the sex
1164
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:40,600
we all publicly agreed to
pretend everyone was having.
1165
00:51:40,734 --> 00:51:44,367
And so, that gave rise
to incredible movements
1166
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:46,100
within the BDSM community,
1167
00:51:46,233 --> 00:51:50,800
within all of these fetish
communities that were thriving
1168
00:51:50,934 --> 00:51:53,900
because people were figuring
out other ways to connect
1169
00:51:54,033 --> 00:51:56,734
and be close and have
sex that felt dangerous
1170
00:51:56,867 --> 00:51:58,367
but wasn't actually dangerous.
1171
00:51:58,500 --> 00:52:02,467
The tiny silver lining
of the AIDS epidemic
1172
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,900
was that it required
public speaking
1173
00:52:05,033 --> 00:52:09,000
about sex behaviour,
absent morality.
1174
00:52:09,133 --> 00:52:10,333
If you do this,
you can get sick.
1175
00:52:10,467 --> 00:52:11,800
If you do this,
you'll not get sick.
1176
00:52:11,934 --> 00:52:13,900
[crowd chanting]
And it was like, yes.
1177
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:16,300
Dan: And that
conversation about sex
1178
00:52:16,433 --> 00:52:19,333
wasn't led by the
federal government,
1179
00:52:19,467 --> 00:52:21,333
wasn't led by local
health boards.
1180
00:52:21,467 --> 00:52:25,433
That conversation was led
by scrappy, community-based,
1181
00:52:25,567 --> 00:52:28,867
brand new HIV/AIDS
education organizations.
1182
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,133
Male: I'd like to see
major targeted campaigns
1183
00:52:31,266 --> 00:52:32,467
put on by our city government.
1184
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,300
I'd like to ask
Dr. Tuckson why
1185
00:52:34,433 --> 00:52:35,600
eight years into this epidemic
1186
00:52:35,734 --> 00:52:39,934
there is still not a major
education campaign in the city.
1187
00:52:40,934 --> 00:52:44,934
George: When we really,
really, really needed healthy,
1188
00:52:45,066 --> 00:52:47,100
progressive sex education,
1189
00:52:47,233 --> 00:52:50,600
the [beep] church and the
[beep] government abandoned us.
1190
00:52:50,734 --> 00:52:53,367
Not only did they abandon us,
they endangered us.
1191
00:52:55,633 --> 00:52:59,667
They sent us into this world
where sex now equaled death
1192
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,400
and the only person that we
started to hear this from
1193
00:53:04,533 --> 00:53:06,367
was a Sunday night radio show?
1194
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:08,400
That was really,
really valuable.
1195
00:53:08,533 --> 00:53:10,367
You got a nice family
doctor that you like?
1196
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:11,367
Female Caller:
Yeah, I do.
1197
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:12,533
All right.
1198
00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:15,567
Make an appointment and-and
also in the meantime,
1199
00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:18,533
until you get there,
don't have intercourse.
1200
00:53:18,667 --> 00:53:22,066
Female Caller: If someone
with HIV uses a dildo
1201
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,400
and then you go and
use it behind them,
1202
00:53:24,533 --> 00:53:26,900
would you catch it, HIV or AIDS?
1203
00:53:27,033 --> 00:53:30,033
Sue: Never go from
rectum to vagina.
1204
00:53:30,166 --> 00:53:31,367
Jane:
It became life and death,
1205
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:34,400
not just for knowing
how to have safe sex,
1206
00:53:34,533 --> 00:53:37,567
but also how to have
a good sexual life.
1207
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:39,433
Student: Sex is such
a huge responsibility
1208
00:53:39,567 --> 00:53:41,834
and I think that's a factor
that a lot of people think about
1209
00:53:41,967 --> 00:53:44,000
before they-before
they have sex.
1210
00:53:44,133 --> 00:53:47,066
Female Student: If you're
in a sexual relationship now,
1211
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,100
in like 1992,
1212
00:53:49,233 --> 00:53:51,900
and you don't know
that you have to have
1213
00:53:52,033 --> 00:53:55,000
some kind of protection if
you don't wanna get an STD,
1214
00:53:55,133 --> 00:53:58,133
or if you don't wanna
contract HIV, you know,
1215
00:53:58,266 --> 00:54:02,433
then you're not being
exposed to the right things.
1216
00:54:02,567 --> 00:54:04,967
Sue: And we didn't do a good job
1217
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:09,233
of giving you good
sex education.
1218
00:54:09,367 --> 00:54:14,867
So my job this evening is
to fill in some of the gaps
1219
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,567
in your sex education in school,
1220
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:21,700
some of the controversial issues
1221
00:54:21,834 --> 00:54:26,133
that they would not
talk about in school.
1222
00:54:26,266 --> 00:54:28,867
The big event was having
Sue Johanson speak,
1223
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,433
you know, the first
week of university, um,
1224
00:54:31,567 --> 00:54:33,734
and, uh, they just used to roar.
1225
00:54:33,867 --> 00:54:35,834
They would cheer when
she walked out on stage,
1226
00:54:35,967 --> 00:54:36,834
which is so cool.
1227
00:54:36,967 --> 00:54:38,834
Crowd:
Sue, Sue, Sue, Sue!
1228
00:54:38,967 --> 00:54:40,900
MC: Are you ready to
have "Sex with Sue"?
1229
00:54:41,033 --> 00:54:44,066
[audience cheering]
[bright buoyant music]
1230
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,934
She's one of the best things
happening for youth today,
1231
00:54:47,066 --> 00:54:48,233
I guess, that's for sure.
1232
00:54:48,367 --> 00:54:50,467
She's answered a lot of
questions that I've had.
1233
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:56,333
Sue: Six thousand kids
sitting out on a grassy hill
1234
00:54:56,467 --> 00:54:59,767
on a beautiful
September evening,
1235
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:03,767
listening to me talk about sex.
1236
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:06,967
You gotta talk about it
and you can't talk about it
1237
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:11,700
if ya don't know what
you're talking about.
1238
00:55:11,834 --> 00:55:13,767
So that's what we're
gonna do tonight.
1239
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:15,367
Interviewer:
This was a big breakthrough
1240
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:18,934
for you to be able
to find your voice.
1241
00:55:19,066 --> 00:55:20,934
Yes, yes.
- Really.
1242
00:55:21,066 --> 00:55:22,800
And to find that it worked.
1243
00:55:22,934 --> 00:55:28,100
I was standing out on
stage, uh, talkin' dirty
1244
00:55:28,233 --> 00:55:30,433
and everybody listened.
1245
00:55:33,533 --> 00:55:35,333
cha,
1246
00:55:35,467 --> 00:55:37,767
she'll answer your
questions fair and square.
1247
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:39,734
She's down to earth,
she's gonna tell it true.
1248
00:55:39,867 --> 00:55:43,166
Talkin' sex, talkin' sex,
talkin' sex with Sue.
1249
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:47,233
Yep, we're talking sex on
Rogers Toronto Cable 10.
1250
00:55:47,367 --> 00:55:49,633
Give us a call if
you've got a question.
1251
00:55:49,767 --> 00:55:52,767
Once we did the radio show,
1252
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:56,400
we just quietly moved
into television.
1253
00:55:56,533 --> 00:55:58,900
[playful music]
1254
00:55:59,033 --> 00:56:00,400
We have Mary on the line.
1255
00:56:00,533 --> 00:56:01,800
Hi, Mary.
1256
00:56:01,934 --> 00:56:03,066
Hi, Amy.
1257
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,000
I started on Rogers, yeah,
every Thursday night.
1258
00:56:07,133 --> 00:56:08,000
Hi, Sven.
1259
00:56:08,133 --> 00:56:09,100
Allan.
- Hi, Sue.
1260
00:56:09,233 --> 00:56:10,133
Sue:
Hi, you're there.
1261
00:56:10,266 --> 00:56:11,433
Good, you got a question?
1262
00:56:11,567 --> 00:56:13,166
Jane: So in radio
people fall in love
1263
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:14,834
with those voices,
their personalities.
1264
00:56:14,967 --> 00:56:16,533
They feel like they're
their friends.
1265
00:56:16,667 --> 00:56:18,333
And once they're on television,
1266
00:56:18,467 --> 00:56:20,767
it takes a lot to
break through that.
1267
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:25,834
We are still emphasizing
the importance of condoms.
1268
00:56:25,967 --> 00:56:29,166
Jane: I absolutely know
that she broke that wall
1269
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:32,700
to be able to connect
directly through people, um,
1270
00:56:32,834 --> 00:56:34,033
on television.
1271
00:56:34,166 --> 00:56:36,166
And so it goes on,
1272
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:40,133
talking sex, learning about sex.
1273
00:56:41,166 --> 00:56:47,133
[playful music]
[muffled overlapping chatter]
1274
00:56:49,033 --> 00:56:50,233
Dan:
I'd known about the show.
1275
00:56:50,367 --> 00:56:51,633
I would go to Canada
1276
00:56:51,767 --> 00:56:54,100
and I would catch the
show on Sunday nights.
1277
00:56:54,233 --> 00:56:58,000
Did you talk to your boyfriend
about biting your testicle?
1278
00:56:58,133 --> 00:56:59,767
Caller:
Yeah, Tyler likes to do that.
1279
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:01,800
I think you've gotta
make it very, very clear,
1280
00:57:01,934 --> 00:57:04,834
you do that again big guy,
and you're out the door.
1281
00:57:04,967 --> 00:57:06,200
Dan:
I just thought it was amazing.
1282
00:57:06,333 --> 00:57:08,300
I was in a hotel room going,
1283
00:57:08,433 --> 00:57:10,300
you can do this on
Canadian television?
1284
00:57:10,433 --> 00:57:11,367
Oh my god,
1285
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:13,300
you can't do this in America.
1286
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,166
No, we're gonna rehearse
"Talk Sex" first.
1287
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:17,166
[crew chattering]
1288
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:18,600
Julie:
The people of America,
1289
00:57:18,734 --> 00:57:20,233
they wanted to call
Sue themselves.
1290
00:57:20,367 --> 00:57:21,734
They had their own questions.
1291
00:57:21,867 --> 00:57:24,667
So, we approached Oxygen
1292
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,934
about doing a live call-in
for their audience.
1293
00:57:28,066 --> 00:57:30,266
And they said,
oh yes, definitely.
1294
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:37,266
[energetic music]
1295
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,934
♪
1296
00:57:43,066 --> 00:57:45,333
Welcome! I'm Sue Johanson
1297
00:57:45,467 --> 00:57:47,367
and this is "Talk Sex."
1298
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:48,567
I'm hot to trot,
1299
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:51,633
so let's get those phone
lines just a-burning.
1300
00:57:51,767 --> 00:57:54,567
Here's our first caller,
her name is Michelle.
1301
00:57:54,700 --> 00:57:56,300
Hi, Michelle.
1302
00:57:56,433 --> 00:57:57,367
Hey, Sue!
1303
00:57:57,500 --> 00:57:59,467
Hello you, how are ya?
1304
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:00,934
I'm doing great.
How are you?
1305
00:58:01,066 --> 00:58:01,934
Sue:
I'm fine.
1306
00:58:02,066 --> 00:58:03,133
You got a question for me?
1307
00:58:03,266 --> 00:58:04,567
Priya: Once the
Americans picked her up
1308
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:06,266
and she was on Oprah's network,
1309
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,567
it was like, ooh,
oh my god, Sue.
1310
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:12,700
Ali: We had like, Oprah's
assistants coming down
1311
00:58:12,834 --> 00:58:16,367
and like, it changed, you know?
1312
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:19,133
It's like, now you
couldn't smell like weed
1313
00:58:19,266 --> 00:58:21,600
comin' up the stairs
kind of thing.
1314
00:58:21,734 --> 00:58:24,667
[person whistling]
1315
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,967
Sue:
When I got American channels
1316
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:30,433
that featured the show and paid,
1317
00:58:31,367 --> 00:58:34,333
then yeah,
that was-that was nice.
1318
00:58:35,266 --> 00:58:37,400
Julie: So we did two
shows back to back.
1319
00:58:37,533 --> 00:58:40,767
Uh, the first show was the
Sunday Night Sex Show to Canada.
1320
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:43,433
And then Sue literally was
getting unhooked from her IFB
1321
00:58:43,567 --> 00:58:45,900
and running across
to the other set,
1322
00:58:46,033 --> 00:58:49,367
and then going live to
an American audience.
1323
00:58:51,467 --> 00:58:53,700
Now, can you take turns?
1324
00:58:53,834 --> 00:58:56,367
Frances: Every Sunday tens
of thousands of people called.
1325
00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:57,367
We could hear the phone ringing
1326
00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:59,867
as soon as we arrived
at six o'clock.
1327
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:04,100
Call Screener: "Talk Sex,"
can I get your name please?
1328
00:59:04,233 --> 00:59:05,333
Julie:
But we had no idea
1329
00:59:05,467 --> 00:59:08,266
when we started doing
"Talk Sex with Sue Johanson"
1330
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,033
for an American audience,
1331
00:59:10,166 --> 00:59:13,133
how ill-educated they were.
1332
00:59:13,266 --> 00:59:15,433
Is it okay to use a Ziploc bag
1333
00:59:15,567 --> 00:59:17,800
in replace of a condom
with lubricant?
1334
00:59:17,934 --> 00:59:18,800
No!
1335
00:59:18,934 --> 00:59:21,834
Is it normal for children
1336
00:59:21,967 --> 00:59:25,767
around the age of
13 to masturbate?
1337
00:59:26,767 --> 00:59:27,667
Honey...
1338
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,900
The questions from
the American callers
1339
00:59:31,033 --> 00:59:33,066
just seemed like they
needed to know more.
1340
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,467
It seemed like they
were just further back
1341
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,000
in their sexual development.
1342
00:59:37,133 --> 00:59:39,900
And it-it felt good knowing that
we were on the kind of show
1343
00:59:40,033 --> 00:59:42,700
that people looked up to
for that kind of advice.
1344
00:59:42,834 --> 00:59:44,200
Hello, you're there, good.
1345
00:59:44,333 --> 00:59:45,567
You got a question?
1346
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:46,867
Caller:
Yes, Dr. Sue, how are you?
1347
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,867
I'm a big fan.
1348
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,967
Okay, I need to be
clarify about one thing.
1349
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:51,467
I'm not a doctor.
1350
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:52,633
And I just don't want-
- Oh, I'm sorry. [laughs]
1351
00:59:52,767 --> 00:59:54,066
No, no, I'm not offended,
1352
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,333
but I just don't want
anybody to think
1353
00:59:56,467 --> 00:59:59,367
I'm pretending to be
something I'm not.
1354
00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:01,500
I've been called Dr. Sue,
1355
01:00:01,633 --> 01:00:04,166
and I always had
to correct people
1356
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:06,033
and say I am not a doctor
1357
01:00:06,166 --> 01:00:10,066
'cause I did not want
anybody to think
1358
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,100
I was riding in on
somebody's shirt tail.
1359
01:00:14,233 --> 01:00:17,567
Announcer: Welcome to The Dr. Ruth
Show, with Dr. Ruth Westheimer,
1360
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:19,533
coming to you from
New York City.
1361
01:00:20,633 --> 01:00:23,066
Julie: Sue and Dr. Ruth
were very different
1362
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,867
because they weren't talking
about the same thing.
1363
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,266
Caller: I'm 18.
- Yes.
1364
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,834
Caller:
And I'm a virgin.
1365
01:00:27,967 --> 01:00:30,867
Julie: But Dr. Ruth, of course,
was about the psychology of sex,
1366
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,900
where Sue was, you know,
nuts and bolts.
1367
01:00:33,033 --> 01:00:35,467
Lynn, listen to me
very carefully.
1368
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:40,200
It is really very important
for somebody like you
1369
01:00:40,333 --> 01:00:44,066
to say to yourself that you
have decided to remain a virgin
1370
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,900
until the night after
the wedding ceremony
1371
01:00:47,033 --> 01:00:47,900
and stick to it.
1372
01:00:48,033 --> 01:00:48,967
Do a lot of kissing.
1373
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:50,266
Do you like to kiss?
1374
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,000
And the best way is for you,
in doggy position?
1375
01:00:55,133 --> 01:00:57,266
Do you know what I mean,
doggy position?
1376
01:00:58,133 --> 01:01:01,533
Yeah, they're both old ladies,
but she wasn't the same.
1377
01:01:01,667 --> 01:01:03,567
That just goes to say,
1378
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:08,467
they needed Sue even more
than Canadians needed her.
1379
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,633
We're here to talk about
how good sex can be
1380
01:01:11,767 --> 01:01:13,300
in the context of marriage.
1381
01:01:13,433 --> 01:01:15,900
You see, you're designed to
have sex with one person,
1382
01:01:16,033 --> 01:01:17,567
your husband or your wife.
1383
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:21,000
Ev'Yan: My sex ed was
very religious-based.
1384
01:01:21,133 --> 01:01:23,900
So when I was growing
up there was this idea
1385
01:01:24,033 --> 01:01:28,667
that sex was both this
beautiful thing that God created
1386
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,166
but also totally off limits.
1387
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:31,333
You were not allowed to do it.
1388
01:01:31,467 --> 01:01:34,000
God knew that from
the very beginning.
1389
01:01:34,133 --> 01:01:35,500
And he had a plan
1390
01:01:35,633 --> 01:01:38,800
that sex was to be
protected within marriage.
1391
01:01:38,934 --> 01:01:40,266
Monogamy, what does that mean?
1392
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,500
Just having one partner.
1393
01:01:41,633 --> 01:01:47,166
Only having sex with
one person in marriage,
1394
01:01:47,300 --> 01:01:50,300
in a monogamous
relationship for life.
1395
01:01:50,433 --> 01:01:52,967
What if I wanna have sex
before I get married?
1396
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:56,000
Well, I guess you just
have to be prepared to die.
1397
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,433
Ev'Yan: And so, that really
kind of set the tone for me
1398
01:02:00,567 --> 01:02:02,867
about what sex was
1399
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,867
and, like, how evil and
off limits it was to me.
1400
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,834
Um, there were no conversations
about masturbation.
1401
01:02:10,967 --> 01:02:13,767
There were no conversations
about sexual pleasure.
1402
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:16,800
Gentle touching,
stroking, oral sex.
1403
01:02:16,934 --> 01:02:19,867
Ev'Yan: And then I saw
Sue Johanson on television
1404
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,800
and she had like on
her desk or whatever,
1405
01:02:22,934 --> 01:02:24,734
like, all of these
different dildos
1406
01:02:24,867 --> 01:02:26,200
in different shapes and colours.
1407
01:02:26,333 --> 01:02:30,066
And she was instructing, like,
different ways of penetration
1408
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,367
or different speeds
of penetration.
1409
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:34,033
And I remember just being like,
1410
01:02:34,166 --> 01:02:35,033
first, I was just like,
1411
01:02:35,166 --> 01:02:36,333
oh my god, I'm going to hell.
1412
01:02:36,467 --> 01:02:37,633
Like, I can't watch this stuff.
1413
01:02:37,767 --> 01:02:38,734
But also I was like,
1414
01:02:38,867 --> 01:02:39,734
[softly] I'm so fascinated.
1415
01:02:39,867 --> 01:02:40,867
Tell me more.
1416
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,667
What is the best way
to have rectal sex?
1417
01:02:44,934 --> 01:02:47,734
'Cause it hurts me so bad
when we have to do it.
1418
01:02:47,867 --> 01:02:49,600
Okay.
1419
01:02:49,734 --> 01:02:53,600
We have a sex toy tonight that
might make it easier for you.
1420
01:02:53,734 --> 01:02:56,166
We had issues with
the American show,
1421
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:58,300
because when we first started,
1422
01:02:58,433 --> 01:03:01,900
sodomy and even oral sex was
illegal in most of the states.
1423
01:03:02,033 --> 01:03:03,567
Uh, and I mean, to this day
1424
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:06,166
it's illegal to have
a vibrator in Alabama.
1425
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:08,533
This one's small, dirt cheap,
1426
01:03:08,667 --> 01:03:10,400
and it works beautifully.
1427
01:03:10,533 --> 01:03:13,600
Julie: But Sue Johanson was
never afraid to talk about anything.
1428
01:03:13,734 --> 01:03:15,533
Interviewer: Did Oxygen
give you a list of words
1429
01:03:15,667 --> 01:03:17,033
you couldn't talk about?
1430
01:03:17,166 --> 01:03:19,266
Oxygen did not give
us a list of things
1431
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,000
we could or could
not talk about.
1432
01:03:21,133 --> 01:03:25,734
But when the Janet Jackson
Nipplegate happened,
1433
01:03:25,867 --> 01:03:29,133
all of a sudden the FCC
clamped down big time.
1434
01:03:29,266 --> 01:03:31,700
And then we were given
a huge list of words
1435
01:03:31,834 --> 01:03:33,400
that we could not
use in the show.
1436
01:03:33,533 --> 01:03:36,100
Interviewer: Do you remember
any of the words you couldn't say?
1437
01:03:36,233 --> 01:03:37,233
Well, I could say them.
1438
01:03:37,367 --> 01:03:40,100
Good thing my mother's not
no longer on this earth.
1439
01:03:40,233 --> 01:03:41,266
Crew-member 1: The words
we're not supposed to say.
1440
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,233
Crew-member 2:
Oh, the words we can't say.
1441
01:03:43,367 --> 01:03:44,967
See?
- Mm-hmm.
1442
01:03:45,533 --> 01:03:46,867
The words that we can't say.
1443
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,433
Crew-member 1: No, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1444
01:03:48,567 --> 01:03:49,633
Penis is not on there.
1445
01:03:49,767 --> 01:03:50,700
Crew-member 2:
Is [beep] on there?
1446
01:03:50,834 --> 01:03:51,700
Crew-member 1:
Oh yeah, it's up there.
1447
01:03:51,834 --> 01:03:52,633
Crew-member 2:
Okay.
1448
01:03:52,767 --> 01:03:55,200
But like cock was
one of the things.
1449
01:03:55,333 --> 01:03:57,166
And of course,
Sue took offense to that
1450
01:03:57,300 --> 01:04:00,467
because a cock ring
is a cock ring,
1451
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,500
and that there's no
other term for it.
1452
01:04:02,633 --> 01:04:05,133
And so the network was like,
"Well, you can't say that."
1453
01:04:05,266 --> 01:04:07,667
And Sue said, "But there's
no other word for it."
1454
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,300
"Oh, you know,
a penile enhancer."
1455
01:04:09,433 --> 01:04:11,266
She said, "No, that's
not what it's called."
1456
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,333
And she would dig her little
feet in and was stubborn
1457
01:04:14,467 --> 01:04:16,667
when it came to things
that she knew was correct.
1458
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,934
Because she was
on such a mission
1459
01:04:19,066 --> 01:04:23,266
to do and to provide
this information,
1460
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,400
she didn't care what
people really thought.
1461
01:04:27,567 --> 01:04:28,533
I don't wanna swear too much
1462
01:04:28,667 --> 01:04:30,700
but she couldn't
give a rat's ass.
1463
01:04:30,834 --> 01:04:31,700
Sue:
Oh, a cock ring.
1464
01:04:31,834 --> 01:04:33,967
Cock ring.
Cock ring.
1465
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:35,700
Radical cock,
1466
01:04:35,834 --> 01:04:39,600
the be all and end all
to a maiden's prayer.
1467
01:04:39,734 --> 01:04:41,300
I didn't give a damn.
1468
01:04:42,333 --> 01:04:44,367
I walked in and I
owned this place
1469
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:47,467
and-and, you know,
I can do this.
1470
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:08,834
Delta: I was first
introduced to Sue Johanson,
1471
01:05:08,967 --> 01:05:10,166
I would say,
1472
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:13,633
the early 2000s,
probably like 2002-ish,
1473
01:05:13,767 --> 01:05:15,333
um, on the Oxygen Network.
1474
01:05:17,667 --> 01:05:20,467
It was a time before
social media.
1475
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,333
We had dial-up.
1476
01:05:22,467 --> 01:05:25,033
It was a big deal
for me to see this
1477
01:05:25,166 --> 01:05:26,467
because I was just enamored.
1478
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,200
Like, I was just thinking,
1479
01:05:28,333 --> 01:05:31,266
there's nobody talking this way.
1480
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,433
Sue: Now, when your
husband gets out of jail
1481
01:05:33,567 --> 01:05:38,533
he is going to be as
horny as they come.
1482
01:05:38,667 --> 01:05:41,433
He's gonna kick the door down.
1483
01:05:41,567 --> 01:05:44,734
And so, you know, uh,
you just better say,
1484
01:05:44,867 --> 01:05:48,300
whoa, whoa, whoa,
big guy, I need time.
1485
01:05:48,433 --> 01:05:50,000
I need a little time.
1486
01:05:50,133 --> 01:05:51,633
You've just done time.
1487
01:05:51,767 --> 01:05:53,533
I need time.
1488
01:05:53,667 --> 01:05:54,834
I was just addicted.
1489
01:05:54,967 --> 01:05:57,266
I was addicted to
the-the-the frankness,
1490
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:58,767
the honesty.
1491
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:01,600
They're called vaginal farts
1492
01:06:01,734 --> 01:06:03,100
and it's something we can do,
1493
01:06:03,233 --> 01:06:04,367
they can't do.
1494
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:07,066
Dan: What was great
about Sue's show and Sue
1495
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,700
was she was very serious,
1496
01:06:08,834 --> 01:06:10,266
but the things that were
coming out of her mouth
1497
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,300
were so in conflict
with her appearance,
1498
01:06:13,433 --> 01:06:14,567
with her age,
1499
01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:16,100
you know, her matronly air,
1500
01:06:16,233 --> 01:06:18,033
that it was inherently comic.
1501
01:06:18,166 --> 01:06:19,967
You can use zucchini.
1502
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:22,367
You can use cucumbers.
1503
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:24,800
You can use candles.
1504
01:06:24,934 --> 01:06:25,967
Caller:
All right.
1505
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:29,800
Uh, you can, uh, use almost
any long, slender toy.
1506
01:06:29,934 --> 01:06:32,734
But honey, why don't you
just live dangerously
1507
01:06:32,867 --> 01:06:34,767
and buy a vibrator?
1508
01:06:34,900 --> 01:06:39,100
Her comfort around that
tension and contrast
1509
01:06:39,233 --> 01:06:42,000
allowed her audience to
relax and then enjoy
1510
01:06:42,133 --> 01:06:43,667
and then take it in.
1511
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,734
So you slide this
over your penis.
1512
01:06:47,867 --> 01:06:50,934
You swing and sway your
way across the bedroom.
1513
01:06:51,066 --> 01:06:52,233
How could she resist?
1514
01:06:52,367 --> 01:06:53,600
I mean, come on.
1515
01:06:53,734 --> 01:06:55,500
She was just doing
a public service
1516
01:06:55,633 --> 01:06:58,100
and for the rest of us
it was just like magic.
1517
01:06:58,233 --> 01:07:00,166
We are watching magic right now
1518
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:02,767
because nowhere else
are you ever gonna see
1519
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:06,266
a woman in her seventies
pull out a dildo,
1520
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,734
get her hands in position-
1521
01:07:08,867 --> 01:07:10,867
And then you grip
it with your hand
1522
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,800
and you coordinate
head-hand movements.
1523
01:07:13,934 --> 01:07:15,767
And start showing you
how to give a blowjob.
1524
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:17,033
[Sue vocalizes comically]
1525
01:07:17,166 --> 01:07:18,433
I think the thing
that always got me
1526
01:07:18,567 --> 01:07:19,867
was how animated Mom was.
1527
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,934
So what's the sense
of a great big penis?
1528
01:07:22,066 --> 01:07:23,467
[in guttural voice] Me woman!
1529
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,367
I'm bringin' in an
airplane, 747.
1530
01:07:28,233 --> 01:07:29,934
Now, this toy is great.
1531
01:07:30,066 --> 01:07:31,300
Jane:
Pulling stuff out of her bag.
1532
01:07:31,433 --> 01:07:33,367
It's called the Flex-A-Pleasure.
1533
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:35,467
Got one!
There's a butt plug.
1534
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,834
And he just tucks his
penis inside the opening.
1535
01:07:38,967 --> 01:07:41,200
Great clitoral stimulation.
1536
01:07:41,333 --> 01:07:43,166
Jane: Using her hands
and everything was like
1537
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:45,266
all about circling and fingers.
1538
01:07:46,367 --> 01:07:47,233
[Sue laughing]
1539
01:07:47,367 --> 01:07:48,166
Jane:
And being a clown.
1540
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:49,233
[vibrating]
1541
01:07:49,367 --> 01:07:51,433
That works real good.
1542
01:07:51,567 --> 01:07:53,467
I think it's pretty
obvious by now
1543
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,800
that I have a slightly
warped sense of humour.
1544
01:07:56,934 --> 01:07:59,433
But I do believe that sex
should be pleasurable
1545
01:07:59,567 --> 01:08:02,166
and yes, it should be fun too.
1546
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:05,567
If you can't laugh at it,
you should not be doing it.
1547
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:07,834
Well, Sue Johanson
really nails it.
1548
01:08:07,967 --> 01:08:09,800
If you can get them to laugh,
1549
01:08:09,934 --> 01:08:10,967
they will relax.
1550
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:13,800
And when they relax,
they can let in the information.
1551
01:08:13,934 --> 01:08:16,367
Um, and it's really important
to help you to relax.
1552
01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:18,300
You have to relax
to have good sex.
1553
01:08:25,500 --> 01:08:26,700
Delta: You know, my
takeaway from Sue
1554
01:08:26,834 --> 01:08:30,200
is that sex can definitely
be an expression of love,
1555
01:08:30,333 --> 01:08:32,867
but it can also just be
absolutely hilarious.
1556
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,667
We have no control
over our bodies.
1557
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,900
Sometimes things just happen.
1558
01:08:37,033 --> 01:08:38,433
Sue/Delta:
And now Teri's calling in.
1559
01:08:38,567 --> 01:08:39,700
Hi, Teri?
1560
01:08:39,834 --> 01:08:41,533
Teri:
Yeah, I was just wondering,
1561
01:08:41,667 --> 01:08:43,100
I know what a queef is,
1562
01:08:43,233 --> 01:08:46,967
but I don't know what causes
them or how to prevent them.
1563
01:08:48,166 --> 01:08:49,867
What causes what?
1564
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,333
Teri:
Like a vaginal fart.
1565
01:08:52,467 --> 01:08:54,300
Sue/Delta:
Oh, queefing!
1566
01:08:54,433 --> 01:08:56,734
Queefing, oh, okay.
1567
01:08:56,867 --> 01:08:57,734
Vaginal farts.
1568
01:08:57,867 --> 01:09:00,567
You know, vaginal
farts are more fun.
1569
01:09:00,700 --> 01:09:04,100
Honestly, that's one
thing that we can do
1570
01:09:04,233 --> 01:09:05,734
that guys can't do,
1571
01:09:05,867 --> 01:09:07,633
And ours don't smell.
1572
01:09:07,767 --> 01:09:08,934
Teri:
Why would you want to?
1573
01:09:09,066 --> 01:09:11,533
Sue/Delta:
Oh no, it's wonderful fun.
1574
01:09:11,667 --> 01:09:12,600
Think of it now.
1575
01:09:12,734 --> 01:09:14,133
You're having intercourse, okay.
1576
01:09:14,266 --> 01:09:17,567
Penis thrusting in
vagina, right?
1577
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:18,800
The air's gotta go somewhere.
1578
01:09:18,934 --> 01:09:20,233
It's packin' air in there.
1579
01:09:20,367 --> 01:09:22,867
So you're having vigorous,
great sex.
1580
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,300
Oh boy. [grunts]
1581
01:09:24,433 --> 01:09:25,600
And all of a sudden she goes-
1582
01:09:25,734 --> 01:09:30,967
[imitates flatulating]
1583
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:32,166
[audience laughing]
1584
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:33,333
And you're so embarrassed.
1585
01:09:33,467 --> 01:09:36,233
Oh no, oh, I promise
it won't happen again.
1586
01:09:36,367 --> 01:09:38,667
Oh, I am so ashamed.
1587
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,233
And then you continue,
1588
01:09:40,367 --> 01:09:42,400
you have more vigorous sex.
1589
01:09:42,533 --> 01:09:45,900
Yes, yes, yes, yes,
yes, yes, yes.
1590
01:09:46,033 --> 01:09:49,767
Yes, yes, yes, oh yes, oh yes.
1591
01:09:49,900 --> 01:09:54,400
I think talking about sex in
entertainment is the best way
1592
01:09:54,533 --> 01:09:57,200
to find an even playing
field for everyone.
1593
01:09:57,333 --> 01:09:58,767
You know what,
if you take a deep breath
1594
01:09:58,900 --> 01:10:01,033
you can blow him right
across the room.
1595
01:10:01,166 --> 01:10:02,667
No, just laugh.
1596
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,533
And every time you laugh,
you'll fart.
1597
01:10:05,667 --> 01:10:07,934
They're called vaginal farts.
1598
01:10:08,066 --> 01:10:09,767
Have fun.
Laugh about it.
1599
01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:12,333
It's the funniest thing,
1600
01:10:12,467 --> 01:10:14,200
if every time he
thrusts in you go-
1601
01:10:14,333 --> 01:10:18,800
[imitates flatulating].
1602
01:10:18,934 --> 01:10:22,367
[audience laughing]
1603
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:25,033
Russell: When you talk
about sex on stage, um,
1604
01:10:25,166 --> 01:10:27,000
you're making people
feel more comfortable
1605
01:10:27,133 --> 01:10:28,700
about possibly
some of the things
1606
01:10:28,834 --> 01:10:30,900
that they consider
in their own head
1607
01:10:31,033 --> 01:10:33,000
as weird fetishes
that they may have.
1608
01:10:33,133 --> 01:10:34,567
My husband has this thing
1609
01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:38,166
about wanting to watch
another man have sex with me.
1610
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:39,266
Oh.
1611
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,200
And I'm feeling like he may be,
you know, gay.
1612
01:10:42,333 --> 01:10:45,133
Mm-mm, no, no, no, no, no.
1613
01:10:45,266 --> 01:10:47,166
Uh, Tina, that's a fantasy.
1614
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:50,800
He wants to use it as
a turn-on for himself.
1615
01:10:50,934 --> 01:10:53,100
You know, I've talked about
how I love women's feet
1616
01:10:53,233 --> 01:10:56,300
and, uh, you see,
you see some guys go, oh.
1617
01:10:56,433 --> 01:10:58,300
I get messages after
the show be like,
1618
01:10:58,433 --> 01:10:59,734
guys will DM me and be like,
1619
01:10:59,867 --> 01:11:01,567
"Hey man, thanks for
talking about that.
1620
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:02,800
"I feel better about it."
1621
01:11:02,934 --> 01:11:04,734
I'm like, there you go, buddy.
1622
01:11:04,867 --> 01:11:06,500
It's just, it's hilarious.
1623
01:11:06,633 --> 01:11:07,900
[audience laughing]
1624
01:11:08,033 --> 01:11:09,567
Sue/Delta:
Just laugh, just laugh.
1625
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:11,367
Shan: I think
entertainment is everything
1626
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:13,100
when it comes to sex education.
1627
01:11:13,967 --> 01:11:15,400
Sex is fun, it's interesting,
1628
01:11:15,533 --> 01:11:16,567
it's cool,
1629
01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:18,700
and the way that you talk
about it should mirror that.
1630
01:11:18,834 --> 01:11:19,900
It should be entertaining.
1631
01:11:20,033 --> 01:11:21,900
When you're having sex,
you should be entertained.
1632
01:11:22,033 --> 01:11:23,600
Like, we're not at
the place in society
1633
01:11:23,734 --> 01:11:25,333
where we need you to
procreate for us.
1634
01:11:25,467 --> 01:11:27,567
So, like, please don't have
sex for any other reason
1635
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:28,567
other than it's fun.
1636
01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:29,934
So when we're talking about it,
1637
01:11:30,066 --> 01:11:31,400
we should have that same energy.
1638
01:11:31,533 --> 01:11:34,200
[audience cheering]
1639
01:11:34,333 --> 01:11:39,133
MC: Yes, give it up
for Miss Delta Work!
1640
01:11:39,266 --> 01:11:40,734
Julie: Sue knew she
was an entertainer
1641
01:11:40,867 --> 01:11:42,867
and she was an entertainer
from the beginning.
1642
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,033
She loved an audience and
she loved hamming it up.
1643
01:11:46,166 --> 01:11:49,633
Oh, it's a dirty job but
somebody's gotta do it.
1644
01:11:49,767 --> 01:11:52,000
So every once in a while,
we just take time
1645
01:11:52,133 --> 01:11:55,300
and clean our
collection of sex toys.
1646
01:11:56,700 --> 01:12:00,600
And there you go,
clean as a whistle.
1647
01:12:00,734 --> 01:12:02,734
Julie: You could just
see that, you know,
1648
01:12:02,867 --> 01:12:05,367
if she could get a
reaction from somebody,
1649
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:07,233
she was in her element.
1650
01:12:07,367 --> 01:12:10,033
And you know what,
it was massively successful.
1651
01:12:10,166 --> 01:12:11,066
[audience applauding]
1652
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:12,433
Well, it's very
nice to meet you.
1653
01:12:12,567 --> 01:12:14,900
I have seen your show,
uh, several times,
1654
01:12:15,033 --> 01:12:16,133
and, uh, and I like it.
1655
01:12:16,266 --> 01:12:18,100
And I think what you're
doin' is-is fantastic.
1656
01:12:18,233 --> 01:12:20,433
Thank you.
- Now, first of all,
1657
01:12:20,567 --> 01:12:22,133
is your name Sue or Sue Jo?
1658
01:12:22,266 --> 01:12:24,100
Someone told me it's now Sue Jo.
1659
01:12:24,233 --> 01:12:25,467
In the United States
it's Sue Jo.
1660
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:26,467
Ellen:
Sue Jo.
1661
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,400
Because my real name
is Sue Johanson.
1662
01:12:28,533 --> 01:12:30,233
Okay, but-
- So they shortened it down
1663
01:12:30,367 --> 01:12:31,967
to Sue Jo.
- Like JLo.
1664
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:33,734
Mm-hmm, oh yeah, me and JLo.
1665
01:12:33,867 --> 01:12:34,734
[clicks tongue]
1666
01:12:34,867 --> 01:12:35,734
No.
- Yeah.
1667
01:12:35,867 --> 01:12:40,767
[audience cheering]
[audience laughing]
1668
01:12:43,233 --> 01:12:44,333
And we're off.
1669
01:12:44,467 --> 01:12:45,600
[Sue laughing]
[energetic music]
1670
01:12:45,734 --> 01:12:48,800
[audience applauding]
1671
01:12:57,166 --> 01:13:00,767
Sue: When I was
recognized in New York City,
1672
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:03,533
that's when it
suddenly struck me.
1673
01:13:03,667 --> 01:13:05,300
Whoa, wait a minute!
1674
01:13:05,433 --> 01:13:07,033
What's going on here?
1675
01:13:08,133 --> 01:13:10,367
Jane: To get in a limo
and be driven there
1676
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:12,600
and put up in a hotel
and flown back
1677
01:13:12,734 --> 01:13:15,500
and security and all that,
it was like,
1678
01:13:15,633 --> 01:13:18,200
oh my god, here we go.
1679
01:13:18,333 --> 01:13:19,200
Hi, Sue.
1680
01:13:19,333 --> 01:13:20,633
Hi, how are you?
- How are you?
1681
01:13:20,767 --> 01:13:22,133
Fine. You got lights out?
1682
01:13:22,266 --> 01:13:23,667
Oh yeah, we're always-
1683
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,066
Julie: Everybody in Canada and
the US would know her and say,
1684
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:26,700
"Hi, Sue, I love your show!"
1685
01:13:26,834 --> 01:13:27,934
Oh, I've seen you on TV.
- Oh.
1686
01:13:28,066 --> 01:13:31,133
Julie: And that's when
I kind of went, wow,
1687
01:13:31,266 --> 01:13:33,567
she really is famous.
1688
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:36,133
Infamous would
probably be the word.
1689
01:13:36,266 --> 01:13:39,166
I must admit, it was nice.
1690
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:41,900
You have many, many fans
here in Brazil, you know?
1691
01:13:42,033 --> 01:13:43,734
You are a celebrity.
1692
01:13:43,867 --> 01:13:45,233
That is wonderful.
1693
01:13:45,367 --> 01:13:48,433
I'd love to come down someday
and celebrate with you.
1694
01:13:48,567 --> 01:13:50,533
She had no airs about her,
1695
01:13:50,667 --> 01:13:53,033
so it's not like she was sitting
there thinking I'm a star.
1696
01:13:53,166 --> 01:13:56,033
I'm gonna be, like, the
sex therapist to the world.
1697
01:13:56,166 --> 01:13:59,033
It never changed
who she was on set
1698
01:13:59,166 --> 01:14:01,100
or how she behaved on set.
1699
01:14:01,233 --> 01:14:04,033
She didn't one day appear with
a fur stole around her neck
1700
01:14:04,166 --> 01:14:05,233
or a different attitude,
1701
01:14:05,367 --> 01:14:07,100
she was always Sue.
1702
01:14:07,233 --> 01:14:08,333
Oh, George.
- Different?
1703
01:14:08,467 --> 01:14:09,834
[Sue speaks indistinctly]
[audience laughing]
1704
01:14:09,967 --> 01:14:12,266
You make me twitch just
thinking about it,
1705
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:13,934
and that ain't horny.
1706
01:14:14,066 --> 01:14:16,033
[audience laughing]
1707
01:14:16,166 --> 01:14:18,567
Jane: I could see
my mom come alive,
1708
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:20,066
whether the camera was on her,
1709
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:21,867
or as soon as she
stepped out on stage,
1710
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,200
or as soon as she walked
out in front of a
1711
01:14:24,333 --> 01:14:25,600
television audience or whatever,
1712
01:14:25,734 --> 01:14:28,700
all of a sudden she just,
she came alive.
1713
01:14:29,333 --> 01:14:31,533
This is called The Accommodator.
1714
01:14:31,667 --> 01:14:34,633
[audience laughing]
1715
01:14:36,533 --> 01:14:39,633
Sue:
And it's worn over the chin.
1716
01:14:39,767 --> 01:14:44,700
[audience laughing]
[audience applauding]
1717
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,800
Sue:
The fame was nice.
1718
01:14:50,934 --> 01:14:53,400
Recognition on the street, yes.
1719
01:14:53,533 --> 01:14:55,967
Kids knowing who you were, yes.
1720
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:59,767
Knowing that you were
doing a good job, yes.
1721
01:14:59,900 --> 01:15:03,834
Yep, there's no question,
it's an ego trip.
1722
01:15:03,967 --> 01:15:06,667
There's, I can't deny it.
1723
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:07,900
[audience laughing]
1724
01:15:08,033 --> 01:15:11,000
So you're like-you're like a
perverted MacGyver, right?
1725
01:15:11,133 --> 01:15:12,066
[audience laughing]
[audience applauding]
1726
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,767
Conan:
That's pretty much-
1727
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:25,100
Is flirting in a chat room
the same as cheating?
1728
01:15:26,567 --> 01:15:30,934
We'll look at the changes,
both good and the bad,
1729
01:15:31,066 --> 01:15:34,467
that technology is
making in our sex lives
1730
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,533
and our relationships.
1731
01:15:36,667 --> 01:15:40,166
Frances: Later on,
calls about internet porn,
1732
01:15:40,300 --> 01:15:41,533
online dating, you know,
1733
01:15:41,667 --> 01:15:43,567
that sort of thing
became more common.
1734
01:15:46,233 --> 01:15:48,767
Sue:
I readily admit
1735
01:15:48,900 --> 01:15:51,700
that I know very little
about this topic,
1736
01:15:51,834 --> 01:15:55,867
but luckily we have some
experts here who do.
1737
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,900
Dan, you're in the front lines
1738
01:15:58,033 --> 01:16:00,533
with your column,
"Savage Love."
1739
01:16:00,667 --> 01:16:02,300
What is your sense of the topic?
1740
01:16:02,433 --> 01:16:03,900
Uh, my sense is that
a lot of people have
1741
01:16:04,033 --> 01:16:05,900
a false impression of
the impact of technology
1742
01:16:06,033 --> 01:16:06,967
on our sex lives.
1743
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:07,967
If you ask people, you know,
1744
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:09,633
has it been positive
or negative,
1745
01:16:09,767 --> 01:16:12,000
most of us have the impression
that it's been negative.
1746
01:16:12,133 --> 01:16:13,000
Technology, the internet,
1747
01:16:13,133 --> 01:16:14,867
internet porn, chat sites,
1748
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,867
cheating facilitated by websites
designed to facilitate that,
1749
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,900
you hear about that all the
time on shows like yours
1750
01:16:21,033 --> 01:16:22,200
'cause people call in
with their problems,
1751
01:16:22,333 --> 01:16:23,333
and in columns like mine.
1752
01:16:23,467 --> 01:16:25,500
But people who don't
have problems with it
1753
01:16:25,633 --> 01:16:26,900
don't speak up, don't complain.
1754
01:16:27,033 --> 01:16:28,233
In the early '90s,
1755
01:16:28,367 --> 01:16:30,500
before the internet came along,
1756
01:16:30,633 --> 01:16:33,867
I got a lot more questions
that were basically how-to.
1757
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:34,867
What's a butt plug?
1758
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:36,934
Uh, how do I fist [beep]?
1759
01:16:37,066 --> 01:16:41,567
Um, how do I perform this
sex act or that one safely?
1760
01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:43,433
And now everything has
its own Wiki page.
1761
01:16:43,567 --> 01:16:45,800
Butt plugs and fist [beep]
have their own Wiki pages.
1762
01:16:45,934 --> 01:16:47,367
So the how-to is
on the internet,
1763
01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:48,800
and it's a lot more extensive
1764
01:16:48,934 --> 01:16:52,166
than the how-to could be in
1,200 words in a print column.
1765
01:16:52,300 --> 01:16:55,433
Kegel exercises,
have you ever tried them?
1766
01:16:55,567 --> 01:16:57,767
Female Caller:
No. What is that?
1767
01:16:57,900 --> 01:17:00,867
Okay, I want you to
go on my website
1768
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,233
and, um, scroll through,
scroll through,
1769
01:17:04,367 --> 01:17:06,600
and there's all sorts
of information there.
1770
01:17:06,734 --> 01:17:08,767
People have a question
they [imitates typing],
1771
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:10,066
and there it is.
1772
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,700
You Google it and it's
there before your very eyes,
1773
01:17:12,834 --> 01:17:15,433
unless you wanna pursue
it in other ways.
1774
01:17:15,567 --> 01:17:19,300
So many people can
be free to explore
1775
01:17:19,433 --> 01:17:21,367
and discover who they are,
1776
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:23,300
how they identify
and what they like.
1777
01:17:23,433 --> 01:17:26,700
You know, so if you are
someone who has a foot fetish,
1778
01:17:26,834 --> 01:17:27,900
before the internet
1779
01:17:28,033 --> 01:17:30,200
you might not really be
able to explore that.
1780
01:17:30,333 --> 01:17:32,033
And now there's a
whole community
1781
01:17:32,166 --> 01:17:33,700
that you can speak with.
1782
01:17:33,834 --> 01:17:36,200
Dan: I think of all the people
with really niche sexual interests.
1783
01:17:36,333 --> 01:17:37,700
Like the example that
everyone always gives
1784
01:17:37,834 --> 01:17:38,900
are the furries.
1785
01:17:39,033 --> 01:17:40,734
Like these people, until
the internet came along,
1786
01:17:40,867 --> 01:17:43,233
were very isolated and didn't
have a sense of community
1787
01:17:43,367 --> 01:17:45,533
because it's a rare
sexual interest,
1788
01:17:45,667 --> 01:17:47,367
so it's very thinly spread.
1789
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:49,600
And the internet
created a community
1790
01:17:49,734 --> 01:17:52,600
that made people feel connected.
1791
01:17:52,734 --> 01:17:55,867
Jane: There's so much
more available to everybody,
1792
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,700
especially if they have
a particular interest
1793
01:17:57,834 --> 01:17:59,700
in a particular area of sex.
1794
01:17:59,834 --> 01:18:02,600
Ah, yeah, you don't have to
do a phone-in show so much.
1795
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:10,867
Hm.
1796
01:18:11,834 --> 01:18:15,266
I hate the word virginity
and this is exactly why.
1797
01:18:16,834 --> 01:18:18,266
Content warning!
1798
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,600
Bree: Younger people that are
coming up through a digital age,
1799
01:18:20,734 --> 01:18:22,467
where they have that access
1800
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,433
and they have
platforms to speak,
1801
01:18:24,567 --> 01:18:26,433
they're-they're able
to offer their voice
1802
01:18:26,567 --> 01:18:29,934
in-in much more impactful
ways than ever before.
1803
01:18:30,066 --> 01:18:34,100
The word virginity implies
one very specific kind of sex.
1804
01:18:34,233 --> 01:18:35,133
And here's the deal,
1805
01:18:35,266 --> 01:18:37,100
we're not all having
that kind of sex.
1806
01:18:37,233 --> 01:18:38,700
There's a lot of
different kinds of sex
1807
01:18:38,834 --> 01:18:40,467
and they're all really cool.
1808
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,433
The word virginity also implies
1809
01:18:42,567 --> 01:18:45,300
that you don't really have
much of a choice in the matter.
1810
01:18:45,433 --> 01:18:48,400
When it happens, it happens
and there's nothing you can do.
1811
01:18:49,166 --> 01:18:50,400
Well, let me just clear the air.
1812
01:18:50,533 --> 01:18:53,266
You did not lose your virginity
if you didn't want to
1813
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:54,266
because, you know,
1814
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,400
virginity is like a
social construct anyway.
1815
01:18:56,533 --> 01:19:00,200
Sue was and is a woman on
television talking about sex
1816
01:19:00,333 --> 01:19:02,533
and that is exactly
what I want to do.
1817
01:19:02,667 --> 01:19:04,033
I want to create a show,
1818
01:19:04,166 --> 01:19:06,367
albeit a little bit
differently than what Sue did,
1819
01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:07,734
but I want to create a show
1820
01:19:07,867 --> 01:19:10,867
that's, uh, putting
sex education out there
1821
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,166
in an entertaining way,
to keep people,
1822
01:19:13,300 --> 01:19:16,834
to keep people entertained and
to educate at the same time.
1823
01:19:16,967 --> 01:19:19,200
Okay, so then give me an
alternative to virginity
1824
01:19:19,333 --> 01:19:20,934
you say and I answer.
1825
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,066
Sexual debut!
1826
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,333
Coined, or at least I heard
it from UCLA sexperts,
1827
01:19:27,467 --> 01:19:29,000
I think it's a
fantastic alternative
1828
01:19:29,133 --> 01:19:30,867
to the word virginity.
1829
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:31,934
With a sexual debut,
1830
01:19:32,066 --> 01:19:33,767
you get to decide
what it looks like,
1831
01:19:33,900 --> 01:19:35,433
how it happened,
1832
01:19:35,567 --> 01:19:37,333
when it happened,
1833
01:19:37,467 --> 01:19:39,200
and exactly what
it means to you,
1834
01:19:39,333 --> 01:19:41,100
no expectations.
1835
01:19:41,233 --> 01:19:43,166
So we can all reclaim
the word virginity
1836
01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:44,533
and replace it with sexual debut
1837
01:19:44,667 --> 01:19:46,467
because it's
obviously way better.
1838
01:19:47,333 --> 01:19:49,000
If you have any
fun sexual debut,
1839
01:19:49,133 --> 01:19:50,734
put 'em in the comments
and as always,
1840
01:19:50,867 --> 01:19:52,000
stay safe!
1841
01:19:52,133 --> 01:19:54,600
Interviewer: So do you
feel like you, in a way,
1842
01:19:54,734 --> 01:19:57,533
have been replaced by,
you know, the digital-
1843
01:19:57,667 --> 01:19:58,633
Yes.
- Computer age?
1844
01:19:58,767 --> 01:20:00,567
Yes, yes.
- Yeah.
1845
01:20:00,700 --> 01:20:04,200
The sex lady is-is gone.
1846
01:20:04,333 --> 01:20:05,200
Caller:
Thank you so much.
1847
01:20:05,333 --> 01:20:06,233
Good luck.
- I love your show.
1848
01:20:06,367 --> 01:20:07,767
I really do.
- Thank you very much.
1849
01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:08,867
Thank you.
- I love your show.
1850
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,066
Oh, thank you!
1851
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,433
Caller: Oh my god
and you're really great.
1852
01:20:11,567 --> 01:20:13,066
Caller 2:
Thank you so much!
1853
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,433
Oh, you're welcome, Vera.
1854
01:20:14,567 --> 01:20:15,967
Caller 2:
Oh god, buh-bye.
1855
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:17,567
Bye-bye.
1856
01:20:18,233 --> 01:20:19,467
Interviewer:
That's a hard one.
1857
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,400
Oh! No, she-she's gone,
1858
01:20:23,533 --> 01:20:25,000
there's no question about it
1859
01:20:25,133 --> 01:20:28,800
and she-she lived well
1860
01:20:28,934 --> 01:20:31,367
and did well and enjoyed it.
1861
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,333
But she's finished.
1862
01:20:35,467 --> 01:20:38,100
[poignant music]
1863
01:20:38,233 --> 01:20:39,333
Jane:
Sue retired, I think,
1864
01:20:39,467 --> 01:20:41,967
because she realized she
couldn't keep up with the times.
1865
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:44,333
The speed of technology,
of the internet,
1866
01:20:44,467 --> 01:20:46,066
the direction sex was going in,
1867
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,567
um, sexual preference, sexual...
1868
01:20:48,700 --> 01:20:50,600
how you identified
yourself sexually,
1869
01:20:50,734 --> 01:20:52,667
diversity, um,
1870
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,934
and, uh, all the options
that were out there,
1871
01:20:56,066 --> 01:20:58,633
she could not keep
the education up
1872
01:20:58,767 --> 01:21:00,600
and I think there were times
when she may have felt like,
1873
01:21:00,734 --> 01:21:03,600
oh, I think I may have given,
not incorrect information
1874
01:21:03,734 --> 01:21:05,000
but not as up to date.
1875
01:21:05,133 --> 01:21:08,100
Last week our show
received several emails
1876
01:21:08,233 --> 01:21:12,266
from folks who felt
that I implied
1877
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:17,433
that bisexuals could not
commit to a relationship.
1878
01:21:17,567 --> 01:21:18,800
I'm very sorry,
1879
01:21:18,934 --> 01:21:23,367
that was not what I meant
and that was misunderstanding.
1880
01:21:23,500 --> 01:21:26,600
So, please accept my apologies.
1881
01:21:26,734 --> 01:21:30,734
[sighs] She'd been really,
really busy for so, so long.
1882
01:21:32,333 --> 01:21:35,500
Here she was doing one
and then two live shows.
1883
01:21:35,633 --> 01:21:37,867
She was going to so many
universities and colleges
1884
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:38,867
all over.
1885
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,233
Yeah, but usually I
say bodacious tatas.
1886
01:21:41,367 --> 01:21:42,233
[group laughing]
1887
01:21:42,367 --> 01:21:43,767
I mean, she used to
come into the meetings
1888
01:21:43,900 --> 01:21:47,333
and she would've
been in Red Deer
1889
01:21:47,467 --> 01:21:49,166
and then she would've
driven somewhere else
1890
01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:51,633
to do another
speaking engagement.
1891
01:21:51,767 --> 01:21:55,700
I have never had a question
about a fallopian tube.
1892
01:21:57,767 --> 01:22:01,533
Frances: She's not a fragile
flower that has to be taken care of.
1893
01:22:01,667 --> 01:22:04,200
She would just say, oh no,
that's okay, fine.
1894
01:22:04,333 --> 01:22:06,433
I'll fly into Calgary
and I'll rent a car
1895
01:22:06,567 --> 01:22:09,033
and I'll just drive five hours,
1896
01:22:09,166 --> 01:22:11,066
you know, and then
drive five hours back.
1897
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,533
Sue:
I was going flat out,
1898
01:22:13,667 --> 01:22:18,433
so, you know, you don't
get any more exposure
1899
01:22:18,567 --> 01:22:24,500
than radio and television
and personal appearances.
1900
01:22:24,633 --> 01:22:26,200
You don't get it.
1901
01:22:27,233 --> 01:22:30,200
You know, she was
a workhorse, man.
1902
01:22:30,333 --> 01:22:34,033
Jane: The driving and the
teaching, she started to get tired.
1903
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:36,900
And who wouldn't?
1904
01:22:37,033 --> 01:22:38,633
Who can keep up with Sue?
1905
01:22:39,734 --> 01:22:42,200
[Sue yawning]
1906
01:22:47,467 --> 01:22:50,233
[indistinct chatter]
1907
01:22:50,367 --> 01:22:56,033
[group chattering]
1908
01:22:56,166 --> 01:22:58,800
Priya: I don't have particular
memories about that last show.
1909
01:22:58,934 --> 01:23:01,900
I do remember just
feeling really sad.
1910
01:23:02,033 --> 01:23:04,367
Crying, all we did was cry.
1911
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:08,033
We honestly didn't believe
this would be the end.
1912
01:23:08,166 --> 01:23:11,033
Sue: We'd done the
show for a long, long time
1913
01:23:11,166 --> 01:23:15,166
and there was a sense
of gearing down,
1914
01:23:15,300 --> 01:23:18,400
people getting tired.
1915
01:23:18,533 --> 01:23:22,233
Ali:
Yeah, it was 10, 11 years,
1916
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,000
you know, thirty Sundays
out of the year.
1917
01:23:25,133 --> 01:23:26,567
You only have 52 Sundays
1918
01:23:26,700 --> 01:23:30,734
so more than half the
Sundays we were all together
1919
01:23:30,867 --> 01:23:32,433
and then, poof.
1920
01:23:33,266 --> 01:23:36,667
Frances: I think it was wise
of Sue to stop when she did.
1921
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:37,667
And we were just all sad
1922
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,600
that we weren't going
to be together.
1923
01:23:40,934 --> 01:23:45,734
I wore black for tonight's
show 'cause I'm in mourning.
1924
01:23:45,867 --> 01:23:50,300
This is Susie's swan
song for "Talk Sex."
1925
01:23:50,433 --> 01:23:52,767
There'll be a great
big hole in my heart.
1926
01:23:52,900 --> 01:23:54,767
I loved doing this show,
1927
01:23:54,900 --> 01:23:57,900
and it hurts leaving
my loving crew.
1928
01:23:58,033 --> 01:24:02,333
We've been together
for 14 years in total,
1929
01:24:02,467 --> 01:24:04,533
so we're kind of
joined at the hip.
1930
01:24:04,667 --> 01:24:07,333
It's, um, been a loving family.
1931
01:24:07,467 --> 01:24:10,667
Thanks to all of you
for all your skills,
1932
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:15,000
devotion to making
"Talk Sex" a hit.
1933
01:24:15,133 --> 01:24:17,467
And the fat lady is not singing,
1934
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,033
but she is signing
off television.
1935
01:24:20,967 --> 01:24:24,667
I'll close with the
same condom quickie
1936
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,166
that we ended the
first show with
1937
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,000
174 episodes ago.
1938
01:24:31,133 --> 01:24:33,000
Sorry. [sniffles]
1939
01:24:33,133 --> 01:24:37,800
Sex will be sweeter if
you wrap your peter.
1940
01:24:37,934 --> 01:24:41,033
And as the lights go
down for the last time,
1941
01:24:41,166 --> 01:24:44,567
it's goodbye to all
with thanks and love.
1942
01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:51,600
[gentle lighthearted music]
1943
01:24:51,734 --> 01:24:54,767
♪
1944
01:24:54,900 --> 01:24:56,767
She was a mom to me but
then I think in the end,
1945
01:24:56,900 --> 01:24:58,867
she became a mom to everybody.
1946
01:24:59,734 --> 01:25:00,700
Yeah.
1947
01:25:00,834 --> 01:25:01,800
[group chattering]
1948
01:25:01,934 --> 01:25:03,834
Julie: So I think
Sue was very aware
1949
01:25:03,967 --> 01:25:06,367
that what she did was
making a difference.
1950
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:09,200
[group clapping]
1951
01:25:10,734 --> 01:25:12,834
Sue taught me what was possible
1952
01:25:12,967 --> 01:25:14,867
when it comes to
sex and sexuality.
1953
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,734
Let's end this before
the police get here.
1954
01:25:16,867 --> 01:25:18,166
Sue Johanson, everybody.
We'll take a break.
1955
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:19,667
Pamela:
Sue has made a career
1956
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,533
out of being very
frank and very direct.
1957
01:25:21,667 --> 01:25:23,000
Sue Johanson, everybody.
1958
01:25:23,133 --> 01:25:24,233
[audience applauding]
1959
01:25:24,367 --> 01:25:28,800
I wanna say thanks to Sue,
not only for blazing a trail
1960
01:25:28,934 --> 01:25:30,567
that I have followed
as a sex educator,
1961
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:33,900
but also for the ways that she
has made my sex life better.
1962
01:25:34,033 --> 01:25:35,734
She's made me feel
better and more accepting
1963
01:25:35,867 --> 01:25:37,734
about who I am as a person.
1964
01:25:37,867 --> 01:25:41,066
It's your life.
It's your body.
1965
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:42,867
It's your sexuality.
1966
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,900
[audience applauding]
You decide.
1967
01:25:45,033 --> 01:25:46,800
You know, I'm a
public facing sex educator,
1968
01:25:46,934 --> 01:25:48,066
like what does that even mean?
1969
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:49,333
You're like, that's a job?
1970
01:25:49,467 --> 01:25:51,800
And that was the one
person you could point to,
1971
01:25:51,934 --> 01:25:55,200
to say, yeah, kinda
like Sue Johanson.
1972
01:25:55,333 --> 01:25:56,200
You got it?
1973
01:25:56,333 --> 01:25:57,800
Crew: Mm-hmm.
- Okay.
1974
01:25:57,934 --> 01:25:59,900
Do we need another Sue Johanson
1975
01:26:00,100 --> 01:26:02,900
to represent everybody who
wants to learn about sex?
1976
01:26:03,033 --> 01:26:04,066
I don't think so.
1977
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,633
You know, I think-I think it
needs to be myriad voices
1978
01:26:06,767 --> 01:26:09,266
all contributing to
the conversation.
1979
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:13,967
I think there is danger in this
era if you go to one voice,
1980
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:16,300
but back then,
that's how we listened.
1981
01:26:16,433 --> 01:26:18,567
Back then, that's
how we consumed.
1982
01:26:18,700 --> 01:26:19,834
Michael Jordan,
1983
01:26:19,967 --> 01:26:22,166
Oprah, right,
1984
01:26:22,300 --> 01:26:23,433
Joe Strummer,
1985
01:26:23,567 --> 01:26:24,767
"Sex with Sue."
1986
01:26:24,900 --> 01:26:27,333
Sue:
Oh yes, it opened the door.
1987
01:26:27,467 --> 01:26:29,133
Oh yes, it did.
1988
01:26:29,266 --> 01:26:33,533
It made it okay to
talk about sex,
1989
01:26:33,667 --> 01:26:37,033
to talk about all
sorts of stuff.
1990
01:26:38,967 --> 01:26:42,667
And nobody bats an
eyelash anymore.
1991
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,567
And I wasn't young.
1992
01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:47,500
I wasn't beautiful.
1993
01:26:48,567 --> 01:26:51,233
I didn't have bodacious tatas.
1994
01:26:51,367 --> 01:26:58,333
I was just a mother with
a load of information.
1995
01:26:59,567 --> 01:27:03,467
Oh yes, I'm very
proud of what I...
1996
01:27:04,467 --> 01:27:06,266
I pushed the line
1997
01:27:07,467 --> 01:27:11,567
as far and as fast as I could
1998
01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:13,533
and I got away with it.
1999
01:27:13,667 --> 01:27:20,533
[lighthearted music]
2000
01:27:20,667 --> 01:28:00,700
♪
2001
01:28:05,667 --> 01:28:07,600
Caller: I just wanted to
say that I love your show.
2002
01:28:07,734 --> 01:28:08,600
Sue:
Oh, thank you.
2003
01:28:08,734 --> 01:28:09,800
Caller:
My husband Ben and I
2004
01:28:09,934 --> 01:28:14,433
watch it every Sunday
just before, you know.
2005
01:28:14,567 --> 01:28:17,633
And he said that you
look very lovely tonight.
2006
01:28:17,767 --> 01:28:19,567
Sue:
He's got good taste. [laughs]
2007
01:28:21,667 --> 01:28:22,900
When does a male's
penis stop growing?
2008
01:28:23,033 --> 01:28:25,633
Sue: On the average
of about 16 years of age.
2009
01:28:25,767 --> 01:28:26,867
Caller:
Well, I heard that it,
2010
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,266
until age 21.
2011
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:30,367
Sue:
Maybe you're right.
2012
01:28:30,500 --> 01:28:31,600
Keep on hopin', honey.
2013
01:28:31,734 --> 01:28:34,600
My wife and I attended
a New Year's Eve party
2014
01:28:34,734 --> 01:28:36,867
and somebody actually
smoked a cigarette
2015
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:38,200
through their vagina.
2016
01:28:42,166 --> 01:28:43,967
Is that actually dangerous
for the person who did it?
2017
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:45,667
Sue: Ah, you get nicotine
stains on your labia.
2018
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:47,667
Caller: I have a
slight heart condition
2019
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,500
and I wondered if orgasms
2020
01:28:49,633 --> 01:28:51,000
could cause heart attacks.
2021
01:28:51,133 --> 01:28:52,700
No, no.
2022
01:28:52,834 --> 01:28:54,000
What a wonderful way
to die though if you-
2023
01:28:54,133 --> 01:28:55,600
Caller: Well this is
what I thought too.
2024
01:28:55,734 --> 01:28:56,867
Sue:
Stop and think about it.
2025
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,600
If you're going to
go quickly and fast
2026
01:28:58,734 --> 01:29:01,100
do it while you're
having an orgasm
2027
01:29:01,233 --> 01:29:03,200
because orgasms are
heavenly anyhow.