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We've had the opportunity to meet
and work with a lot of wonderful people.
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I only hope that we never lose sight
of one thing.
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That it was all started by a mouse.
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It's magical
to be able to channel
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all of your energy at this character…
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Mickey!
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…who we can fill with
all of our hopes and dreams
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and all of our love
and all of the innocence
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that we experience and then
eventually lose and would like back.
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Mickey!
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Hi, Mickey. Hi, Mickey! Mickey!
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Mickey was everywhere
when I was a kid.
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He was just, like, part of my DNA.
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He's plastered over every T-shirt,
every billboard.
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He speaks multiple languages.
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- He's everywhere.
- Everywhere!
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It's overwhelming. Like, leave me alone.
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Uh, no.
Okay, let's do that again.
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What is it about Mickey Mouse?
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He started as this simple character.
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But over time, he gets so big
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that he becomes
this reflection of who we are.
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The good and the bad.
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How's that even possible
with this... ...little mouse?
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The life and ventures
of Mickey Mouse
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have been closely bound up
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with my own personal
and professional life.
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He still speaks for me,
and I still speak for him.
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Stop it.
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Wore that one the other day.
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Haven't worn that one in a while.
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When I first got to the studio
to do the Genie in Aladdin,
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I didn't know what to expect with Mickey.
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It felt like he was encased in amber,
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where they don't want to do
anything with him, you know?
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Ah. Here we are. The Hat Building.
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Sometimes people ask,
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"Aren't you unhappy that you're not
on one of the features right now?"
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I said, "I'm getting to animate
Mickey Mouse."
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Walt used to say, "Don't forget.
It was all started by a mouse."
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So, no matter what we're capable
of doing now,
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Mickey takes us back to our origins.
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This process of hand-drawn
hasn't really changed for a century.
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You know, the process of drawing
the characters is exactly the same.
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But back when the great Mickey cartoons
were being made,
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the Disney studio had maybe a hundred
animators to do Mickey and his pals.
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These days, to do
a new hand-drawn Mickey project,
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like the one we're starting now,
we have three.
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Me, Mark Henn and Randy Haycock.
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Randy did characters
like Clayton in Tarzan.
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He did a lot of Pocahontas.
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And then Mark Henn
is really known as the princess guy.
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And the list is endless.
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We've always wanted to do something
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where we see
all the different Mickeys together.
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That's never really been seen
in a film before,
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so that's what we're doing
on this project.
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And we're calling it Mickey in a Minute.
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Where he's walking down the hallways
of Disney Animation,
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and he gets sucked into a whirlwind that
sends him through his most iconic moments
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until, finally, he gets spit out
at the end as Steamboat Willie.
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It's going to be a lot of work.
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I mean, basically we're gonna be making
about 1,500 original drawings of Mickey
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for about one minute's worth
of screen time.
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But trust me.
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It'll be worth it. You'll see.
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And this is Mickey as he was designed by
Walt and Ub Iwerks.
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Not exactly the Mickey we recognize today,
but our kind of proto-Mickey.
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And yes, he still had a tail. Whoop.
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There we go.
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It was a beautiful farm
in Marceline, Missouri.
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Forty-eight acres.
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My chore was to keep the horse going
around the circle
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and then part of it would be
feeding the cane in the squeezer, you see?
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Walt lived here
in Marceline for five years.
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It was a short amount of time.
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But those very few years
were Walt's childhood.
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His family was poor,
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and his father Elias was extremely strict.
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And so art for Walt was an escape.
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Walt would take his drawing materials
and go down to a special tree.
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His dreaming tree.
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He would spend hours
under that tree just laying in the grass.
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A thing that Walt called "Belly Botany."
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I don't know if you've ever laid
in tall grass on a farm,
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but there's a lot that's happening
around you.
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Whatever happened to run
or crawl or fly by,
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he would quickly try to sketch.
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His little sister told me Walt
would do a series of drawings for her.
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And then he would make a really good story
up to go along with it.
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I can just see those creative juices
happening underneath his tree.
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It was that happy place.
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It was where that spark happened.
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- I love it. Yeah, that looks cool.
- It's cool. I like that.
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So, like, all the possibilities of what
you would want on your arm,
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why'd you choose Mickey Mouse?
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I feel like blood, sweat and tears
was put into Mickey Mouse by Walt.
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You know, he was dirt poor.
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Dirt poor with, like, a dream.
Just like, "Nope,
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- I believe in that mouse."
- Right.
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You get a lot of people
coming in here
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asking about Disney and stuff?
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Yeah, there's a few.
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DJ, correct me if I'm wrong.
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This was Walt and Roy's studio
in the early '20s?
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Yeah. This is the place.
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I know way too much
about the history of this now, you know?
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With Walt and his brother
starting the Disney Brothers Studio here.
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Walt was chilling right here.
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Right here.
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And now this little, rad dude
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is so imprinted in everybody's brains.
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Like, we all got a weird,
different feeling about him.
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Mickey Mouse, to me, is light.
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There's, like, a lot of dark in the world.
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Especially nowadays, things do
tend to be getting a little bit darker.
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And he's just keeping hope in the world.
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Yeah!
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So, this is the very first,
officially licensed
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Disney book ever published.
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Imaginatively titled, "Mickey Mouse Book."
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Uh, what you've got in here are games.
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Probably the most interesting, though,
is the story of how Mickey meets Walt.
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Falling from Mouse Fairy Land,
crash-landing on Walt's roof.
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Like Santa Claus,
Mickey hops down the chimney,
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and who does he meet in the house?
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None other than Walt Disney himself.
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Walt loved to tell tall tales
of the story about how Mickey came to be.
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He told it different versions
over the years himself.
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Walt, you're a man
who's famous for many things,
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not the least of which
is building a better mouse.
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Mickey Mouse
hopped out of my mind
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on a train ride from Manhattan
to Hollywood
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at a time when the business fortunes
of my brother, Roy, and myself
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were at lowest ebb and disaster
seemed right around the corner.
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Walt was in trouble.
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Before Mickey Mouse, Walt and his studio
created Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.
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I'd argue that Oswald is
certainly a lucky rabbit,
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but the luck isn't always good.
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The actual Oswald contract does not give
Walt Disney the rights to that character.
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And so, Walt Disney
was pushed out of the equation.
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It's all about that mythological moment
when he's on the train.
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And he's been told his entire studio
has been hired away from him,
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that Oswald doesn't belong to him anymore,
and it's crushing.
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But out of that comes hope.
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He said, "Okay, we've lost everything.
Let's start again."
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Over the years,
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with the retelling of that story
on the train,
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over and over again,
and the different inflections,
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it becomes myth.
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This is mythmaking.
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Walt realizes the importance
of linking himself to that mouse.
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They're developing at the same time.
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Legend has it that,
on that train,
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Walt wanted to call Mickey
"Mortimer Mouse,"
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but his wife, Lillian,
suggested "Mickey Mouse."
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I think that's probably one
of the most important decisions
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anybody ever made for a character.
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But they still had
a few Oswalds to produce,
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so they couldn't necessarily
broadcast it far and wide
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that they were gonna be working on
a new character.
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So that very first Mickey Mouse short
was made in their garage.
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Walt had to turn to the people
that he trusted the most.
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Of course, you have Ub Iwerks,
Walt's lead animator.
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Walt and Ub complemented each other.
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You know, Ub could do things
that Walt could not.
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First of all, animate like a demon.
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It was said
he could do 700 drawings a day,
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which is unbelievable.
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Ub Iwerks, meanwhile,
remembered a different scenario
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where Walt came back on the train
and said, "We need a new character."
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And they tried out various animals
and settled on a mouse.
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Either way, there's this famous sheet
of different designs of Mickey.
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And two of them are circled.
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Does it matter if Mickey was
created on a train
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or at an animator's desk?
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What matters is that
hope-from-despair story
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that we can all resonate with and go,
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"You know what? Yeah, I gotta pick
myself back up by my bootstraps
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and keep going,
because if Walt can do it, I can do it."
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In so precarious a world
of new possibilities
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and increased competition,
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I'd planned to go all out on sound.
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And those plans came very near
spelling a major disaster for us.
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Mickey was not
an overnight success.
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Walt had made two cartoons prior
to Steamboat Willie,
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Plane Crazy and Gallopin' Gaucho.
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And he couldn't find
a distributor for them.
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Then came a very important breakthrough.
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In 1927, as sound came in,
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he set out to make the first sync-sound
cartoon this country had ever seen.
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To launch
our picture impressively,
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I'd hired a full New York orchestra with
a famous director to do the recording.
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The upshot was that I had
to borrow on my automobile,
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and Roy and I had to mortgage
our homes as well,
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to cover the cost of that first
synchronization for Steamboat Willie.
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And everybody had to synchronize.
Hit that thing right on the button.
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And we had--
We had a way of doing it though.
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We had a little-- kind of a little beat
that worked up and down.
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They were all musicians working for me,
so they could follow those beats,
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and when it came to a certain number
of beats, they would go...
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Or they would go bang!
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Or they would go this, or they would pop
one of these popguns, you know?
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And when it was finished,
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the picture wouldn't synchronize
with the sound.
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And we had to do it all over.
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Finally, when all of those
elements came together,
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that put Mickey into the stratosphere.
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It had to be this thing
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that you would never forget
the experience of having.
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It hit. It hit with a bang.
It was a hell of a success.
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And nothing
would ever be the same after that.
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With Steamboat Willie,
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people would probably just be floored
by what they saw, you know?
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When this movie came out,
there was nothing like this ever done.
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And once in a while, in our lifetime,
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we see a movie like that
and it changes everything.
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I mean, for me in my childhood,
it was, like, Star Wars.
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And I think Steamboat Willie
probably had a similar impact.
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Mickey became
a movie star on the same plane
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as Douglas Fairbanks or Charlie Chaplin.
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He was somebody
they went to the movies to see.
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And as his character developed,
he became a rescuer to Minnie Mouse…
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Take it easy. You're all right.
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…a hero stacked up
against Peg Leg Pete…
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and a very resourceful character.
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It's no accident that Walt Disney
was the first voice of Mickey Mouse.
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Yeah. It's me, I guess.
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The optimist.
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The curious kid who never grew up.
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The guy who was intrepid,
who never let anything stand in his way.
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That's Mickey Mouse,
but that's also Walt Disney.
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And in a way,
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Mickey's earliest cartoons are really
from Walt's memories as a farm boy.
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Walt poured himself
into this character,
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and the character embodies
Walt Disney himself.
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So, you cannot separate the two.
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In the early shorts,
there was a sense of adventure.
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A sense of Walt doing something exciting
that somebody else wasn't doing.
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Fairbanks and Chaplin were such fans
that they both made arrangements
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that several of their films be paired with
Mickey Mouse shorts at their premieres.
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"What? No Mickey Mouse?"
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was the complaint of people going
to a movie theater and realizing,
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"They're not showing a Mickey Mouse
cartoon. What's wrong with you people?"
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He really was a sensation,
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and the merchandise showed up everywhere.
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That was a brand-new thing.
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And there were a couple of companies
that were on the verge of bankruptcy,
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and Mickey Mouse actually saved
those companies from disappearing.
253
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What would another culture
from another planet think of us
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seeing Mickey on everything?
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They might say, "Take me to your leader,"
and it would be Mickey.
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Let me get this out of the way.
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And here it is, folks. Mouse Heaven.
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I collect images that embody a life force.
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Now, the more abstract they are, the more
they're imbued with that life force.
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Because often it's just the bare essence.
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So you can clothe it in anything
your imagination can bring forth.
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Which kind of gets us up to Mickey.
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Mickey is pure, absolute geometry,
made up of nothing but circles.
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This total abstraction
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is probably the most universal symbol
ever created by man or mouse.
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Three simple circles,
a quarter and two dimes.
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And it's recognizable the world over.
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What I've collected is simply
the history of this phenomenon.
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So, I think, if an archaeologist was
to find this place
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in the far, far distant future,
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they would be convinced that this
was a shrine to the great god Mickey.
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Welcome to Earth.
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I have to tell you about this mouse
that will change your life.
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- He's a mouse.
- That wears clothes though.
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White gloves, black fur,
I guess it would be.
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Red pants. Yellow shoes.
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Big ears, you know?
And he's always smiling.
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He has a very particular voice.
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Oh, boy!
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He has a girlfriend, Minnie.
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He likes Minnie. I know that.
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I think that they're dating
because there's no ring on them.
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And then his other friends are Daisy…
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Goofy, Donald…
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Oh, and he has a dog named Pluto.
286
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Not to be confused with Goofy,
because Goofy is also sort of a dog,
287
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but he's more of a dog-man.
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Um, and that's just the world
we're living in.
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Ha-ha, everybody.
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Mickey Mouse.
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Mickey Mouse.
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Mickey and I just became inseparable.
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We love a mouse. How crazy is that?
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That's a little absurd.
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Lay down!
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Get up!
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- Speak!
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In the world's film capital
is the studio that stands as a monument
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to the great genius of Walt Disney,
master of a new form of popular art that…
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That extra revenue
from the Mickey Mouse merchandise
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really allowed the studio
to experiment and improve.
302
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First thing I did
when I got a little money,
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we set up our own art school.
304
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Art schools that existed then
worked with the static figure.
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Now, we were dealing in motion,
movement and the flow of movement.
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The flow of things, you know?
Action. Reaction. All of that.
307
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I put all my artists back in school.
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And out of that school would come the
artists that now make up my staff here.
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And more than that,
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the artists that make up most
all of the cartoon outfits in Hollywood.
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Mickey has taken the world
by storm.
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The great thinkers,
the great artists are all stepping back
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and acknowledging that this
is something otherworldly and important.
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What is the power behind this character?
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Yoo-hoo!
316
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I think Mickey appeals
for a lot of different reasons.
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But if I had to pick one,
it's the way he moves.
318
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It's how he does things
that make him compelling to watch.
319
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He has a spirit to him, dating all
the way back to Steamboat Willie,
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that is playful, inventive,
resourceful and fun.
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But his imperfections are as much
a part of his character as anything else.
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Mickey wasn't perfect,
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but he would always find a resourceful way
to get out of situations.
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Minnie!
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His movement is defining
who he is.
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And that is what the Disney Studio
has specialized in ever since.
327
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You're not just creating movement
for movement's sake.
328
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You're creating movement that defines
that individual's personality.
329
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People tend to forget that
Mickey Mouse started in the Roaring '20s.
330
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But almost immediately,
the Depression fell on the United States.
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America,
the land of shattered dreams.
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A place of deep despair and real fear.
333
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Millions of Americans homeless, hungry,
and without hope.
334
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Because of the crisis,
the majority of kids
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were spending their time without parents.
336
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They were left free
to do what they wanted during the day.
337
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And movies were the cheapest
entertainment you could get for a child.
338
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So if you're a kid,
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the one thing you could
be guaranteed of was a Saturday matinee.
340
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It was the highlight of your week.
341
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Yoo-hoo, Mickey!
342
00:26:27,837 --> 00:26:29,089
Yoo-hoo!
343
00:26:33,593 --> 00:26:36,221
I fell in love with Mickey
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because I went to the movies almost
every day with my sister and brother.
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And you had a double feature
and a cartoon in the middle,
346
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so you were there for hours
out of the hands of your parents.
347
00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:54,739
And there's the cartoon,
and when I saw that cartoon--
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First the big head would appear
with radiant lights coming out of it.
349
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I remember my sister saying,
350
00:27:05,875 --> 00:27:08,712
"We knew it was coming,
and Jackie would grab you by one arm,
351
00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:12,257
and I would grab you by the other arm,
and you went into a frenzy."
352
00:27:37,699 --> 00:27:40,160
Wow.
I get the goose bumps every time.
353
00:27:43,955 --> 00:27:49,753
Mickey becomes the icon of how
to truly survive the Great Depression.
354
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The American dream has suffered.
355
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But Mickey is able to bring that back.
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He's able to return us to a sense
of perseverance.
357
00:28:04,309 --> 00:28:08,438
There was no other character
having that grip on a mass conscience.
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That popularity spins out into things
like the Mickey Mouse clubs,
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00:28:13,109 --> 00:28:15,070
where kids could get together
360
00:28:15,153 --> 00:28:17,614
and watch Mickey cartoons together
and laugh together.
361
00:28:34,631 --> 00:28:36,966
And now they're all waiting
for Mickey himself.
362
00:28:38,093 --> 00:28:39,594
Here he comes!
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00:28:46,059 --> 00:28:50,939
Mickey weathers the Depression,
but he's got to change and transform.
364
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,985
Because America and Mickey,
they change together.
365
00:29:14,879 --> 00:29:17,424
There's almost a hundred years
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of Disney Animation history
within this building.
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00:29:20,969 --> 00:29:24,973
We have approximately 65 million pieces
of art in our collection.
368
00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:30,228
And every box holds a spark of creativity.
369
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:35,442
So, here you've got Steamboat Willie.
370
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,153
Ah. That's a nice one.
371
00:29:38,236 --> 00:29:41,197
Mickey as he's falling
in the soap bucket.
372
00:29:43,408 --> 00:29:45,493
Yeah, and it's so, so simple.
373
00:29:45,577 --> 00:29:47,287
You look at the hands--
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00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:49,372
They almost look
like just little pinwheels.
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00:29:49,456 --> 00:29:50,832
- And just--
- Yeah.
376
00:29:50,915 --> 00:29:56,546
It's the spirit of Mickey,
just really simplified to an essence.
377
00:29:58,548 --> 00:30:02,052
You'll be able to see
an evolution of Mickey here.
378
00:30:03,136 --> 00:30:05,430
- So, we've gone five years later.
- Mm-hmm.
379
00:30:05,513 --> 00:30:06,514
Oh, yeah.
380
00:30:06,598 --> 00:30:08,850
You can see there's
a little bit more to him.
381
00:30:08,933 --> 00:30:14,898
It's the same character, but you can tell
that a different animator did this.
382
00:30:14,981 --> 00:30:15,982
Mm-hmm.
383
00:30:16,941 --> 00:30:19,778
The hands, for example.
They added the white gloves.
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00:30:23,656 --> 00:30:27,577
And this Mickey
is just that much more
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00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:30,497
three-dimensional and organic.
386
00:30:31,915 --> 00:30:35,210
You would take an animator's drawing
of Mickey,
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00:30:35,293 --> 00:30:38,213
put it on your light box,
and then improve it.
388
00:30:38,296 --> 00:30:39,214
Whoop.
389
00:30:39,297 --> 00:30:45,387
Improve it by making that pose stronger,
making that line of action more defined.
390
00:30:46,805 --> 00:30:52,894
But there's still something personal in it
that you're bringing to the table.
391
00:30:55,939 --> 00:31:00,360
The very first animation I did here at
the studio back in 19--
392
00:31:00,443 --> 00:31:02,654
We won't talk about that.
It was a long time ago.
393
00:31:02,737 --> 00:31:05,323
But the very first animation I did
was Mickey Mouse.
394
00:31:06,324 --> 00:31:09,411
I felt it then,
and I feel it now with this short.
395
00:31:09,953 --> 00:31:12,122
And we're able to keep him alive,
396
00:31:12,205 --> 00:31:14,791
and we're doing it in the way
that Mickey should be done.
397
00:31:19,462 --> 00:31:22,215
I don't know if I can flip this
'cause the papers are kind of thin.
398
00:31:24,592 --> 00:31:27,220
The character of Mickey,
the personality of Mickey--
399
00:31:28,346 --> 00:31:30,390
Being hand-drawn is part of who he is.
400
00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:35,270
And if people recognize that, you know,
401
00:31:35,353 --> 00:31:38,481
there will always be a reason for us
to keep drawing him.
402
00:31:41,234 --> 00:31:44,237
And those early animators,
as crude as it was,
403
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,490
they were discovering the language
of animation.
404
00:31:49,159 --> 00:31:50,326
Well, Walt,
405
00:31:50,410 --> 00:31:53,580
how is Snow White
and the Seven Dwarfs coming along?
406
00:31:53,663 --> 00:31:55,457
Oh, it's come along very well.
407
00:31:56,374 --> 00:31:58,251
Going to run for one hour and a half.
408
00:31:58,335 --> 00:32:00,712
No cartoon production
has ever run that long before.
409
00:32:01,296 --> 00:32:04,424
That's why we feel justified
in putting one million dollars into it.
410
00:32:05,050 --> 00:32:06,468
In terms of animation,
411
00:32:06,551 --> 00:32:09,721
Mickey opened a lot of doors for Walt,
412
00:32:09,804 --> 00:32:12,223
and Walt was always looking for new doors.
413
00:32:13,016 --> 00:32:15,852
You know, it makes me dizzy
to think of the millions of drawings
414
00:32:15,935 --> 00:32:17,937
necessary for a production of this kind.
415
00:32:18,688 --> 00:32:21,566
Disney needs to expand hugely.
416
00:32:22,067 --> 00:32:27,197
And so, the studio goes
from a small group to 300 people.
417
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,575
And that change really transforms
the studio.
418
00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:35,538
No longer can Walt be involved
in every Mickey short.
419
00:32:35,622 --> 00:32:38,833
His entire focus shifts over
to Snow White.
420
00:32:39,626 --> 00:32:43,713
Snow White was not taking place
in the same universe that Mickey lived in.
421
00:32:44,881 --> 00:32:47,008
But at the same time,
Mickey never goes away.
422
00:32:47,842 --> 00:32:53,223
He's always right there by Walt's side
whenever he takes on a new enthusiasm.
423
00:33:01,898 --> 00:33:05,485
Mickey Mouse is probably
the most difficult character to ink
424
00:33:05,568 --> 00:33:07,112
because of all the curves.
425
00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:11,658
That's the most difficult part of inking
is inking circles.
426
00:33:11,741 --> 00:33:14,619
And Mickey Mouse is full of circles.
427
00:33:24,754 --> 00:33:29,551
Your job as an inker is translating
the animator's work onto the cel.
428
00:33:29,634 --> 00:33:32,637
You don't have any room
to go outside of that.
429
00:33:32,721 --> 00:33:35,640
Because if you do that,
you change their intention.
430
00:33:35,724 --> 00:33:38,184
You change their work.
431
00:33:41,146 --> 00:33:44,607
They say it takes about 15 years
of consistent inking--
432
00:33:45,108 --> 00:33:49,988
eight hours a day, five times a week,
for 15 years-- to become a master inker.
433
00:33:50,905 --> 00:33:53,908
There's only a few of us
in the Ink and Paint department now,
434
00:33:53,992 --> 00:33:58,079
but it used to be hundreds,
and for a long time, it was all women.
435
00:33:58,163 --> 00:33:59,831
The thousands of pencil drawings
436
00:33:59,914 --> 00:34:01,249
go to the inking department.
437
00:34:01,332 --> 00:34:03,585
Here, hundreds of pretty girls
cover the drawings
438
00:34:03,668 --> 00:34:05,295
with sheets of transparent celluloid.
439
00:34:05,378 --> 00:34:09,132
Then they painstakingly trace every line
of every drawing in ink,
440
00:34:09,215 --> 00:34:12,844
following exactly, in every detail,
the original animation drawing.
441
00:34:12,927 --> 00:34:16,598
The role of the inkers
and painters gets glossed over
442
00:34:16,681 --> 00:34:21,519
into this log-line of pretty girls
who traced and colored.
443
00:34:22,979 --> 00:34:27,442
When what they were accomplishing
was mind-blowing.
444
00:34:28,818 --> 00:34:31,196
These women were artists
in their own right.
445
00:34:31,905 --> 00:34:33,490
In the studio paint laboratory,
446
00:34:33,573 --> 00:34:36,326
all colors used
are made up from secret formulas.
447
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:40,413
Expert chemists developed more
than 1500 different shades of color
448
00:34:40,497 --> 00:34:42,332
for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
449
00:34:50,465 --> 00:34:55,387
Color forever transforms
the world of Mickey Mouse.
450
00:34:57,806 --> 00:35:00,767
Pastel is his flesh. His tongue.
451
00:35:00,850 --> 00:35:03,812
Marigold, his shoes. Lobster, his pants.
452
00:35:05,146 --> 00:35:07,315
We are not really brushing.
453
00:35:08,024 --> 00:35:14,406
It's actually dropping a glob of paint,
and then we just push it to the edges,
454
00:35:14,489 --> 00:35:18,493
because we wanna make the paint
look as opaque as possible.
455
00:35:21,663 --> 00:35:23,998
When I'm inking or painting Mickey Mouse,
456
00:35:24,082 --> 00:35:27,836
it just takes me back
to when Walt first created Mickey.
457
00:35:35,176 --> 00:35:38,680
So now that we're done with it,
this is what it looks like from the front.
458
00:35:44,185 --> 00:35:46,146
All ready, Uncle Mickey?
459
00:35:46,229 --> 00:35:47,939
Okay, let's go.
460
00:35:52,569 --> 00:35:55,780
Once Mickey becomes
an international children's star,
461
00:35:55,864 --> 00:35:57,657
there's certain things he cannot do.
462
00:35:59,409 --> 00:36:01,327
Parents of Mickey's
younger viewers
463
00:36:01,411 --> 00:36:05,040
wanted Mickey to clean up his act
and not be as bad an influence.
464
00:36:07,125 --> 00:36:10,378
He can't be a bully.
He can't punch people.
465
00:36:10,462 --> 00:36:15,216
He can't behave in any way
that would be considered bad behavior.
466
00:36:17,093 --> 00:36:19,512
It pushed Mickey
into a straight man role,
467
00:36:20,305 --> 00:36:23,058
where almost any kind of flaw
468
00:36:23,141 --> 00:36:26,936
is seen as out of character.
469
00:36:29,856 --> 00:36:32,984
And so, Donald Duck appears.
470
00:36:38,365 --> 00:36:40,116
Aw, phooey!
471
00:36:40,784 --> 00:36:45,121
The duck came along as a result
of too many taboos put onto Mickey Mouse.
472
00:36:45,789 --> 00:36:48,958
People didn't feel that Mickey
could blow his top like the duck.
473
00:36:49,042 --> 00:36:51,127
He had to maintain a certain dignity.
474
00:36:54,506 --> 00:36:57,258
So, in order to give ourselves a latitude,
475
00:36:57,342 --> 00:36:59,552
we created
this terrible-tempered Mr. Duck.
476
00:37:09,062 --> 00:37:10,814
Get out of here! Get out of here!
477
00:37:10,897 --> 00:37:13,566
Story after story
was rejected for Mickey
478
00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:16,736
because he was perceived
as being a little bit too silly in them.
479
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:22,450
They found out Mickey is probably
best paired with Donald and Goofy.
480
00:37:22,534 --> 00:37:24,160
A moose!
481
00:37:24,244 --> 00:37:25,245
A moose!
482
00:37:25,328 --> 00:37:26,705
And have this little trio.
483
00:37:26,788 --> 00:37:31,292
Hot dog! Now do your stuff.
I'll take care of the rest.
484
00:37:31,376 --> 00:37:34,421
There are many great ones
that include the three of them
485
00:37:34,504 --> 00:37:38,466
that work well 'cause their
personalities rub off against each other.
486
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:40,135
Lend a hand, me hearties!
487
00:37:40,218 --> 00:37:41,720
Aye, aye, Captain!
488
00:37:42,846 --> 00:37:44,472
What's the big idea?
489
00:37:44,556 --> 00:37:48,393
But it became evident
that Donald is getting Mickey's anger
490
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:51,980
and Goofy gets Mickey's silly side.
491
00:37:53,481 --> 00:37:57,485
And if Mickey is the responsible one,
he pretty much has to take a back seat.
492
00:37:59,654 --> 00:38:01,573
But then where does that leave Mickey?
493
00:38:19,132 --> 00:38:21,801
This part of the short
that I'm animating
494
00:38:21,885 --> 00:38:24,304
is from the Brave Little Tailor.
495
00:38:30,935 --> 00:38:33,146
He's trying to get his arm out
of his sleeve.
496
00:38:33,229 --> 00:38:34,272
Can't get it.
497
00:38:34,773 --> 00:38:38,401
And then that's when Mickey
comes in to his arm right here.
498
00:38:40,111 --> 00:38:44,991
Then I gotta get all that done
in 297 frames.
499
00:38:45,075 --> 00:38:48,119
So I've only got a hundred frames
to get the rest of it.
500
00:38:52,374 --> 00:38:56,252
I think I was here 25 years
before I actually animated Mickey.
501
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,798
And it seems a shame because,
you know, if you work at Disney,
502
00:39:00,507 --> 00:39:03,051
you should be animating Mickey
all the time, I'd think.
503
00:39:04,761 --> 00:39:08,640
When Eric gave me the sections
that I was gonna do, I got really excited
504
00:39:08,723 --> 00:39:12,018
because that was my favorite Mickey
that made me wanna be an animator.
505
00:39:12,102 --> 00:39:16,106
They came at me from the right.
Then the left. Right, left, left, right!
506
00:39:16,189 --> 00:39:19,442
So that was exciting
and intimidating all at the same time.
507
00:39:22,237 --> 00:39:27,033
As Mickey evolved,
what used to be his eye,
508
00:39:27,117 --> 00:39:31,788
when you get to Fantasia,
just became this little thing here
509
00:39:31,871 --> 00:39:34,416
and so you would end up with the pupils.
510
00:39:35,417 --> 00:39:36,793
Fantasia Mickey's important
511
00:39:36,876 --> 00:39:40,088
because with the whites of his eyes
like this,
512
00:39:40,171 --> 00:39:42,882
it made him a lot more expressive.
513
00:39:42,966 --> 00:39:45,510
And I'm gonna stretch his ears
a little more here
514
00:39:45,593 --> 00:39:50,390
because he just became
a little more pliable from this point on.
515
00:40:02,944 --> 00:40:09,034
We wouldn't have a Fantasia if it weren't
for Walt's concern for Mickey Mouse.
516
00:40:09,117 --> 00:40:13,872
He was worried that Donald and Goofy
were overtaking Mickey's popularity,
517
00:40:14,706 --> 00:40:20,128
and he wanted a vehicle to bring Mickey
back in the limelight again.
518
00:40:21,588 --> 00:40:27,719
And so originally, Fantasia was just going
to be The Sorcerer's Apprentice short,
519
00:40:27,802 --> 00:40:34,309
and it then blossomed
into an entire innovative feature film
520
00:40:34,392 --> 00:40:36,853
that's still never been equaled.
521
00:40:38,772 --> 00:40:41,149
Fantasia is something
that was a huge gamble.
522
00:40:42,275 --> 00:40:43,985
You have so many different styles.
523
00:40:44,819 --> 00:40:46,863
It's something that,
in theory, shouldn't work.
524
00:40:48,031 --> 00:40:50,241
The greatest thrill
of his acting career happened
525
00:40:50,325 --> 00:40:53,161
on the night of November 13th, 1940
526
00:40:53,244 --> 00:40:57,082
at the same theater where he made
his first appearance as a ragged,
527
00:40:57,165 --> 00:40:59,793
shoeless mouse almost ten years before.
528
00:41:23,066 --> 00:41:27,237
Some of the old animators said that
when they heard that Walt wanted Mickey
529
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,533
to be on this rock conducting
the universe,
530
00:41:31,616 --> 00:41:33,660
they thought he'd gotten kinda crazy
531
00:41:33,743 --> 00:41:35,912
'cause Mickey Mouse, after all,
is a cartoon character.
532
00:41:35,995 --> 00:41:37,414
You don't conduct the universe.
533
00:41:46,631 --> 00:41:49,009
Mickey conducting the universe
you can translate
534
00:41:49,092 --> 00:41:53,471
to Walt conducting his own universe
'cause by that time his company had grown,
535
00:41:53,555 --> 00:41:56,850
and thousands and thousands
of people were working at the studio.
536
00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:00,645
So I think Walt became Mickey then.
537
00:42:12,115 --> 00:42:14,576
There's some scenes
in Sorcerer's Apprentice
538
00:42:14,659 --> 00:42:19,039
where he knows he's screwed up
in front of the sorcerer.
539
00:42:19,122 --> 00:42:22,167
The subtlety that they get on his face,
540
00:42:23,001 --> 00:42:29,507
I think that's where the character
hit his absolute peak of perfection.
541
00:42:32,260 --> 00:42:36,765
Artistically, Walt achieved
everything he wanted to with Fantasia.
542
00:42:38,850 --> 00:42:42,645
But when the movie came out,
it was a failure.
543
00:42:42,729 --> 00:42:45,273
Artistic success, financial failure,
you know?
544
00:42:45,357 --> 00:42:47,609
Certainly an artistic
success. It was a magnificent--
545
00:42:47,692 --> 00:42:50,987
Well, there's-- Some people would,
uh, would question that too.
546
00:42:53,198 --> 00:42:57,702
Fantasia was
Mickey's culmination and his termination.
547
00:42:58,536 --> 00:43:02,791
That sorcerer swatted him with the broom,
and he scurried off of the stage,
548
00:43:02,874 --> 00:43:05,043
and he never quite came back again.
549
00:43:05,877 --> 00:43:08,088
Well, so long! I'll be seeing ya!
550
00:43:21,976 --> 00:43:24,187
The story of Walt and Mickey
551
00:43:24,270 --> 00:43:27,565
wasn't just one continual
success after success.
552
00:43:27,649 --> 00:43:30,568
It was stumble after stumble,
failure after failure.
553
00:43:31,319 --> 00:43:36,074
But Walt believed that if he worked hard
enough, he could overcome every obstacle.
554
00:43:39,828 --> 00:43:42,205
There are two main animators
555
00:43:42,288 --> 00:43:44,791
who were really, really important
in Mickey's life,
556
00:43:45,458 --> 00:43:48,795
Ub Iwerks and Fred Moore.
557
00:43:49,963 --> 00:43:53,967
It was Moore who redesigned
the mouse more than once,
558
00:43:54,801 --> 00:43:59,514
and after Fantasia, the studio
is talking in terms of a comeback.
559
00:43:59,597 --> 00:44:03,935
From Fantasia,
Freddie Moore took him even further
560
00:44:04,019 --> 00:44:06,688
for even more fluidity
561
00:44:07,272 --> 00:44:08,815
and more character.
562
00:44:11,484 --> 00:44:13,695
They gave him a loose,
rangy kind of movement,
563
00:44:13,778 --> 00:44:16,406
and they had him
deliberately clowning around.
564
00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:22,120
Everything's kind of working
to this S curve here.
565
00:44:22,203 --> 00:44:23,955
I'll clean up your yard.
566
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:26,166
All right. But no more clowning.
567
00:44:26,249 --> 00:44:28,960
They were trying
to make Mickey funny again.
568
00:44:29,044 --> 00:44:31,880
You know? Let him play a clown
once in a while,
569
00:44:31,963 --> 00:44:36,426
like when he's doing his goofy dance
in Mickey's Birthday Party,
570
00:44:36,509 --> 00:44:40,472
or when he's raking up leaves
in The Little Whirlwind, you know?
571
00:44:40,555 --> 00:44:46,895
It's okay for him to make mistakes or
act foolish once in a while in that year.
572
00:44:48,897 --> 00:44:52,859
The movement, the organic qualities,
573
00:44:52,942 --> 00:44:57,030
the fluidity of the animation
was never better.
574
00:44:59,074 --> 00:45:02,452
They could do with Mickey… anything.
575
00:45:07,457 --> 00:45:10,710
This new Mickey seemed
to hold the promise of
576
00:45:10,794 --> 00:45:15,090
freeing him from that role of being
the serious, responsible one all the time.
577
00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:20,470
But that version
of Mickey didn't last long.
578
00:45:41,741 --> 00:45:44,160
The whole world is aflame.
579
00:45:44,244 --> 00:45:48,581
All the peoples of the United Nations are
fighting the savage enemies of freedom.
580
00:45:50,542 --> 00:45:53,044
In Hollywood, Walt Disney has turned over
581
00:45:53,128 --> 00:45:55,588
almost the entire facilities of his studio
582
00:45:55,672 --> 00:45:58,550
for the production
of Army and Navy instructional films.
583
00:45:58,633 --> 00:46:01,094
Four, eight, sequence one. Let her roll.
584
00:46:01,970 --> 00:46:04,055
Walt, being the patriot that he was,
585
00:46:04,139 --> 00:46:06,641
supported whatever the government
and the military wanted…
586
00:46:06,725 --> 00:46:09,060
Don't throw away that bacon grease.
587
00:46:09,144 --> 00:46:12,939
Fats make glycerin
and glycerin makes explosives.
588
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,569
…whether that was creating shorts
for home front or propaganda purposes…
589
00:46:17,652 --> 00:46:20,155
Will our own cities and homes be bombed?
590
00:46:20,739 --> 00:46:23,950
…or training films
and educational films for the military.
591
00:46:24,034 --> 00:46:27,454
If the bolt is pulled back,
the magazine's free…
592
00:46:27,537 --> 00:46:29,330
They were designing insignia
593
00:46:29,414 --> 00:46:32,042
for different military and auxiliary units
around the world.
594
00:46:32,125 --> 00:46:33,793
Over twelve hundred were made.
595
00:46:35,295 --> 00:46:37,505
You have groups writing
to the studio, saying,
596
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:40,258
"We want Mickey to help
get us through this."
597
00:46:41,968 --> 00:46:44,679
Before the war,
Hitler liked Mickey,
598
00:46:44,763 --> 00:46:48,808
Mussolini loved Mickey,
Hirohito loved Mickey.
599
00:46:48,892 --> 00:46:52,645
But when America enters war,
Mickey ends up banned.
600
00:46:55,106 --> 00:46:58,568
The little fellow's grin
was too infectious for Nazism.
601
00:46:58,651 --> 00:47:00,653
Hitler thunderingly forbade his people
602
00:47:00,737 --> 00:47:05,075
to wear the then-popular Mickey Mouse
button in place of the swastika.
603
00:47:05,575 --> 00:47:07,911
Hitler understood what Mickey symbolized.
604
00:47:09,287 --> 00:47:13,500
Independence, liberty, freedom.
605
00:47:14,125 --> 00:47:16,252
America is Mickey.
606
00:47:21,591 --> 00:47:24,344
Commando Duck, here are your orders.
607
00:47:24,427 --> 00:47:27,347
You'll parachute at position D-4.
608
00:47:28,723 --> 00:47:31,643
But with the wartime shorts
that are produced to create morale,
609
00:47:31,726 --> 00:47:34,729
almost all of those are done
by Donald Duck.
610
00:47:38,650 --> 00:47:42,987
Mickey's presence in World War II
tended to rely on the home front.
611
00:47:43,071 --> 00:47:46,157
You see him on support posters,
612
00:47:46,241 --> 00:47:47,701
getting people to carpool,
613
00:47:47,784 --> 00:47:49,703
rationing, selling war bonds,
614
00:47:50,286 --> 00:47:53,957
supporting the war effort
not from the front line but at home.
615
00:47:54,874 --> 00:47:58,169
If you were a child at that point in time
or a family,
616
00:47:58,253 --> 00:48:02,424
who better to look to than Mickey Mouse
for that sense of comfort?
617
00:48:06,553 --> 00:48:08,221
But you, as a creator,
618
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:11,099
don't control
what happens to your products.
619
00:48:11,182 --> 00:48:13,435
You don't control what happens
to your characters.
620
00:48:14,436 --> 00:48:18,481
And so, when wartime came,
Mickey was already there.
621
00:48:26,865 --> 00:48:31,703
There was a village in Poland in which the
entire village was destroyed by the Nazis.
622
00:48:33,329 --> 00:48:37,417
And there are images left
from that village
623
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:42,672
that create a collection of the life
of the village before the horror.
624
00:48:46,468 --> 00:48:49,012
And in one of the photographs is Mickey.
625
00:48:53,183 --> 00:48:56,102
And it's a shocking image
within the Holocaust museum
626
00:48:56,186 --> 00:49:00,523
to see this-- this being, Mickey Mouse,
creating pleasure for this community
627
00:49:00,607 --> 00:49:02,442
right on the cusp of the war.
628
00:49:07,238 --> 00:49:10,825
Children in the camps were dressed up
in Mickey Mouse costume,
629
00:49:11,618 --> 00:49:15,872
staging Mickey Mouse plays,
drawing images of Mickey Mouse.
630
00:49:17,624 --> 00:49:23,046
There was actually a comic strip written
by someone in the camps,
631
00:49:24,255 --> 00:49:28,426
which covered the daily life through
the perspective of Mickey Mouse.
632
00:49:29,761 --> 00:49:36,351
And at the end, he erases Mickey and says,
"Mickey's gone back to America."
633
00:49:36,434 --> 00:49:39,396
And the person who drew
the comic strip was then killed.
634
00:49:41,022 --> 00:49:46,903
Mickey was in the Holocaust because Mickey
represented the possibility of escape,
635
00:49:47,529 --> 00:49:49,489
of joy, of happiness.
636
00:49:50,073 --> 00:49:54,703
And those dictators understood very well
that was not what they were offering.
637
00:50:02,377 --> 00:50:05,296
We kind of have to think
of Mickey as, like, before World War II
638
00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:06,798
and then after World War II.
639
00:50:06,881 --> 00:50:08,717
It's two very different careers.
640
00:50:11,302 --> 00:50:13,013
- Well, here we are, Pluto.
641
00:50:13,096 --> 00:50:15,015
Boy, what a dream place.
642
00:50:15,098 --> 00:50:19,310
Come on, Your Highness.
Utopia is yours.
643
00:50:24,524 --> 00:50:26,735
This migration to the suburbs,
644
00:50:26,818 --> 00:50:30,030
variously estimated as
from 40 to 80 million people.
645
00:50:30,697 --> 00:50:33,700
Many people complain about
the post-war Mickeys
646
00:50:33,783 --> 00:50:37,787
being domesticated, but Walt Disney
is a very different person.
647
00:50:38,455 --> 00:50:43,335
Walt has a suburban house,
has a very set, conservative life, really.
648
00:50:44,669 --> 00:50:48,173
And he's a person now
who's gone through nervous breakdowns,
649
00:50:48,256 --> 00:50:51,384
possibilities of financial ruin, a strike.
650
00:50:51,468 --> 00:50:53,470
He gets involved in HUAC
651
00:50:54,596 --> 00:50:57,057
and that changes the Mickey we know.
652
00:50:57,807 --> 00:51:02,270
It makes him a much more contained
character than he was in the early years.
653
00:51:04,272 --> 00:51:07,192
And America is moving
in that direction too.
654
00:51:09,277 --> 00:51:10,862
We don't want chaos.
655
00:51:12,947 --> 00:51:16,159
We wanna feel safe.
We wanna feel familiar and protected.
656
00:51:16,242 --> 00:51:18,411
Okay, Pluto. Let's get our tree.
657
00:51:19,621 --> 00:51:22,290
- 1953 was his last short,
658
00:51:22,374 --> 00:51:25,835
and I've heard him described
as just being a little-- little man.
659
00:51:26,961 --> 00:51:30,048
He acquired a decent house and a mortgage,
660
00:51:30,131 --> 00:51:34,260
and he just became
your suburban mouse next door.
661
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:40,350
There is a continuing trend
to more time off,
662
00:51:41,142 --> 00:51:43,019
which means more time to consume.
663
00:51:45,772 --> 00:51:48,274
It's a completely new idea in automobiles.
664
00:51:48,358 --> 00:51:51,277
The daring, dazzling 1955 Rambler.
665
00:51:51,361 --> 00:51:55,448
Come on, Pluto, old boy.
We're going to see the 1955 Nash.
666
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:57,826
When I first saw these,
667
00:51:57,909 --> 00:52:04,249
I did a complete double take
that Mickey was even drawn this way.
668
00:52:04,332 --> 00:52:08,837
The new 1955 Rambler offers
complete year-round air conditioning.
669
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,340
They're sending the signals
that Mickey and Minnie are married
670
00:52:12,424 --> 00:52:14,509
and they're driving in the front
of the Nash Rambler,
671
00:52:14,592 --> 00:52:18,096
and there are their two kids sitting in
the back. And it's like, "Wait a minute!"
672
00:52:18,179 --> 00:52:19,806
Live a little.
673
00:52:19,889 --> 00:52:21,307
Drive a Rambler.
674
00:52:21,808 --> 00:52:26,312
Apparently, they had made
a few commercials before Walt saw them.
675
00:52:26,396 --> 00:52:30,025
What had happened was,
a fan had written to him saying,
676
00:52:30,108 --> 00:52:32,610
"Dear Walt, what did you do with Mickey?"
677
00:52:34,446 --> 00:52:39,826
And he found these commercials and
looked at them and just went, "Stop!
678
00:52:39,909 --> 00:52:42,912
That's not Mickey.
We're not doing that anymore."
679
00:52:45,999 --> 00:52:47,292
Walt was getting so busy
680
00:52:47,375 --> 00:52:50,170
that he didn't always have time
to stop what he was doing
681
00:52:50,253 --> 00:52:52,881
and go to the soundstage
and record Mickey's voice.
682
00:52:53,465 --> 00:52:57,385
And doing that falsetto voice of Mickey
was becoming harder.
683
00:52:57,469 --> 00:53:00,263
He actually had to go to a doctor
for the vocal strain.
684
00:53:09,814 --> 00:53:11,107
- Hi.
- How are you?
685
00:53:11,191 --> 00:53:12,859
- Nice to meet ya.
- Nice to meet you.
686
00:53:12,942 --> 00:53:14,235
Yeah. I'm excited to work on this.
687
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:17,906
You know, you could-- you could do this
for a living. You sound just like him.
688
00:53:17,989 --> 00:53:20,283
- I would hope to. Thanks. Thanks.
689
00:53:23,328 --> 00:53:24,996
So, you've read the script.
690
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,791
It's kind of a fanciful trip
through Mickey's career.
691
00:53:27,874 --> 00:53:31,628
Uh, it starts with him walking through
the halls of the animation studio
692
00:53:31,711 --> 00:53:35,757
and he's looking at his past glories
on posters.
693
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,052
So, why don't you go through it,
and we'll see what we get.
694
00:53:39,636 --> 00:53:40,929
- All right.
- Okay.
695
00:53:41,763 --> 00:53:43,223
One. Take one.
696
00:53:43,306 --> 00:53:45,225
Aw, there's Pluto.
697
00:53:45,308 --> 00:53:46,309
It's Minnie.
698
00:53:46,893 --> 00:53:48,812
Pete.
699
00:53:48,895 --> 00:53:51,731
Try another one
where you're just a little more casual,
700
00:53:51,815 --> 00:53:52,982
- a little slower.
- Okay.
701
00:53:53,566 --> 00:53:55,527
Hmm, hmm.
702
00:53:56,152 --> 00:53:58,571
Oh, I remember that.
703
00:53:59,155 --> 00:54:02,534
Those are great.
Try one more that's just a, "Hmm."
704
00:54:03,743 --> 00:54:07,288
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
705
00:54:07,372 --> 00:54:09,249
The responsibility is huge,
706
00:54:09,332 --> 00:54:12,711
because I'm just playing a part
in continuing this legacy
707
00:54:12,794 --> 00:54:15,130
that started with Walt back in 1928.
708
00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:17,382
Hey, Pluto. Here she comes.
709
00:54:17,465 --> 00:54:19,634
- Hi, folks.
- Hi, folks!
710
00:54:19,718 --> 00:54:21,636
- This is Mickey.
- I'm Mickey too.
711
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,346
- You are?
- I thought so.
712
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:26,808
Jimmy Macdonald, the second voice
of Mickey, told Wayne,
713
00:54:26,891 --> 00:54:30,061
"Remember, kid, you're only filling in for
the boss." And that's how I look at it.
714
00:54:30,145 --> 00:54:32,272
Come on. We gotta hurry.
715
00:54:32,355 --> 00:54:34,065
Come on. We gotta hurry.
716
00:54:34,149 --> 00:54:36,234
Ah, gosh.
717
00:54:36,317 --> 00:54:38,653
Gosh! Oh, gosh!
718
00:54:38,737 --> 00:54:40,572
I will never forget that, essentially,
719
00:54:40,655 --> 00:54:42,449
I'm emulating
Walt's performance as Mickey.
720
00:54:42,532 --> 00:54:44,492
Hot dog! Hot dog!
721
00:54:44,576 --> 00:54:45,994
Hot dog!
722
00:54:46,077 --> 00:54:48,371
- Hot dog!
- That last one.
723
00:54:48,455 --> 00:54:49,539
Yeah, nice.
724
00:54:50,290 --> 00:54:53,168
You know, the coal
is floating around him like asteroids,
725
00:54:53,251 --> 00:54:55,295
- so he's trying to grab for them.
- Uh-huh.
726
00:54:56,963 --> 00:54:58,089
Gotcha!
727
00:54:58,173 --> 00:54:59,382
Great.
728
00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:05,513
I'm sitting there and I'm listening
to Bret doing the voice, and I'm thinking,
729
00:55:05,597 --> 00:55:09,434
"Oh, man. He's nailed it.
He's really got him."
730
00:55:09,517 --> 00:55:14,606
And I hope that as well as Bret nails
the voice, we nail the visuals.
731
00:55:16,775 --> 00:55:19,903
Working on this short is kind
of Mickey heaven
732
00:55:19,986 --> 00:55:23,406
because you get to play
with all these different styles,
733
00:55:23,490 --> 00:55:26,201
as do the other animators
who are working on it.
734
00:55:26,993 --> 00:55:32,874
So in this particular case,
this is a Mickey from the 1950s.
735
00:55:33,583 --> 00:55:37,087
And this sequence was animated
by John Lounsbery.
736
00:55:38,254 --> 00:55:39,839
And to be honest,
737
00:55:39,923 --> 00:55:44,636
this is the first time I've drawn
a 1950s Johnny Lounsbery Mickey.
738
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,973
So, you know,
I'm learning as I go.
739
00:55:58,817 --> 00:56:01,820
-Hi, partners!
- Hi, Mickey!
740
00:56:03,029 --> 00:56:06,908
Well, this here's our roundup day,
so, uh, you all pretty nigh ready?
741
00:56:06,991 --> 00:56:09,119
- Sure enough!
-Sure enough.
742
00:56:09,202 --> 00:56:10,620
Then let's get on with it.
743
00:56:10,704 --> 00:56:15,542
Most Hollywood producers
were terrified of television.
744
00:56:16,334 --> 00:56:19,170
Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse present
745
00:56:19,254 --> 00:56:20,755
The Mickey Mouse Club.
746
00:56:20,839 --> 00:56:24,676
Walt goes in the opposite direction
and embraces television.
747
00:56:27,929 --> 00:56:31,391
He relished the idea of getting
into a new field like that.
748
00:56:31,474 --> 00:56:33,184
Hi, Mouseketeers.
749
00:56:33,268 --> 00:56:34,561
Hi, Roy!
750
00:56:35,478 --> 00:56:37,063
What would you like to have me draw?
751
00:56:37,147 --> 00:56:38,356
Mickey Mouse.
752
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,652
It made it a lot easier to have
this audience identification
753
00:56:42,736 --> 00:56:45,030
with a character that they had known
for all those years
754
00:56:45,113 --> 00:56:46,781
and had become a part of their lives.
755
00:56:50,535 --> 00:56:54,330
Once again, Mickey provided the
momentum that made all of that possible.
756
00:56:54,414 --> 00:56:59,711
Yay, Mickey! Yay, Mickey!
757
00:56:59,794 --> 00:57:02,255
Yay, Mickey Mouse Club!
758
00:57:03,465 --> 00:57:09,471
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
759
00:57:10,972 --> 00:57:14,434
You know, Walt, I think,
very quickly realized
760
00:57:14,517 --> 00:57:18,480
that the power of his creations
had life beyond the walls of the studio.
761
00:57:19,147 --> 00:57:20,482
And he would get fan mail.
762
00:57:20,565 --> 00:57:22,942
People would ask,
"How can I meet Mickey and Minnie?"
763
00:57:23,026 --> 00:57:24,027
Welcome.
764
00:57:24,611 --> 00:57:26,780
I guess
you all know this little fella here.
765
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:28,740
It's an old partnership.
766
00:57:29,699 --> 00:57:33,661
Mickey and I started out
the first time many, many years ago.
767
00:57:34,496 --> 00:57:36,498
We've had a lot of our dreams come true.
768
00:57:37,123 --> 00:57:40,335
Now we want you to share with us
our latest and greatest dream.
769
00:57:42,003 --> 00:57:43,672
That's it right here.
770
00:57:44,923 --> 00:57:46,216
Disneyland.
771
00:57:54,891 --> 00:57:56,726
As soon as Walt starts on another path
772
00:57:56,810 --> 00:57:59,646
and focuses his interests on Disneyland,
773
00:57:59,729 --> 00:58:02,023
Mickey goes through
a major transformation as well.
774
00:58:03,358 --> 00:58:07,404
He has to become the kind of icon
that Walt is becoming.
775
00:58:08,988 --> 00:58:10,907
Disneyland is your land.
776
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:16,746
Here, age relives
fond memories of the past,
777
00:58:17,997 --> 00:58:21,251
and here, youth may savor the challenge
and promise of the future.
778
00:58:23,044 --> 00:58:24,879
There is something very personal
779
00:58:24,963 --> 00:58:28,758
about this whole quest that Walt is on.
780
00:58:28,842 --> 00:58:32,637
Returning to his own sense
of being a child.
781
00:58:35,849 --> 00:58:40,145
And that Mickey Mouse,
the character that existed in his head
782
00:58:40,228 --> 00:58:44,190
and then on paper,
that existed on the big screen,
783
00:58:44,274 --> 00:58:48,528
could now be as close to every visitor
at the park as it was to him.
784
00:58:49,112 --> 00:58:52,365
That's Mickey Mouse,
the inimitable little character
785
00:58:52,449 --> 00:58:56,286
that started this whole story
with Walt Disney 25 years ago.
786
00:58:57,829 --> 00:59:01,082
The real star of it is Mickey Mouse.
787
00:59:01,166 --> 00:59:02,917
I think there's an aura of magic
788
00:59:03,001 --> 00:59:05,337
around Mickey Mouse
that makes you feel safe.
789
00:59:06,546 --> 00:59:10,592
And I think within that bubble,
you are safe.
790
00:59:18,308 --> 00:59:20,769
Mickey connects generations.
791
00:59:25,148 --> 00:59:28,485
He connects our childhood memories
to our adult memories.
792
00:59:30,987 --> 00:59:35,241
And so when you encounter
Mickey in the park, you are not just you.
793
00:59:35,325 --> 00:59:37,452
You are six-year-old you,
794
00:59:38,995 --> 00:59:41,790
and you are 80-year-old you in the future.
795
00:59:44,167 --> 00:59:47,504
And you are with your grandmother,
and you are with your grandchildren,
796
00:59:47,587 --> 00:59:51,341
and you are participating
in a timeless moment.
797
01:00:00,892 --> 01:00:05,313
Mickey is the walking embodiment
of Walt's philosophies.
798
01:00:05,397 --> 01:00:08,858
And you can meet him, still,
in the persona of Mickey.
799
01:00:13,613 --> 01:00:16,282
I do remember, like, driving up to it
800
01:00:16,366 --> 01:00:19,911
and having that feeling that, like,
this is where Mickey lives.
801
01:00:19,994 --> 01:00:22,122
Oh, this is a sacred space.
802
01:00:22,205 --> 01:00:23,665
It's like he made Disneyland.
803
01:00:23,748 --> 01:00:25,458
It's like he used magic to, like--
804
01:00:27,127 --> 01:00:29,129
At that time,
I'm thinking he's like John Wayne
805
01:00:29,212 --> 01:00:30,755
or he's like a real, true movie star.
806
01:00:30,839 --> 01:00:32,090
He spent his money.
807
01:00:32,173 --> 01:00:34,509
He bought this so people
could come visit him.
808
01:00:34,592 --> 01:00:36,094
And I actually got to meet him.
809
01:00:36,177 --> 01:00:38,763
- When I was five years old--
- Five years old.
810
01:00:38,847 --> 01:00:39,973
Maybe ten?
811
01:00:40,056 --> 01:00:44,728
When I saw him in Tokyo Disneyland,
I really believe it's him.
812
01:00:44,811 --> 01:00:46,563
He's right down here.
813
01:00:46,646 --> 01:00:50,442
And actually, I think the sweetest one
is me and Minnie down here.
814
01:00:50,525 --> 01:00:53,153
It's kind of a big deal when I see Mickey.
815
01:00:53,236 --> 01:00:55,947
My husband literally pushed me
out of the way--
816
01:00:56,031 --> 01:00:58,825
Pushed her out of the way
so I could get to Mickey first.
817
01:00:59,826 --> 01:01:02,454
Really happy
when I got Mickey Mouse's signature.
818
01:01:03,038 --> 01:01:05,957
Thank you for all the times
you were there for me.
819
01:01:06,458 --> 01:01:08,585
And you've always been my best friend.
820
01:01:09,085 --> 01:01:10,628
I resonate with Mickey so well
821
01:01:10,712 --> 01:01:14,466
because there's an undeniable piece
of Walt's heart in Mickey Mouse.
822
01:01:24,476 --> 01:01:26,644
Can you still make a noise
like Mickey Mouse?
823
01:01:27,228 --> 01:01:30,065
Well, uh, Mickey used
to talk something like this, you know?
824
01:01:30,148 --> 01:01:31,649
It's kind of a falsetto.
825
01:01:31,733 --> 01:01:35,612
Of course, he's an old mouse now
and the falsetto's getting a little old.
826
01:01:35,695 --> 01:01:36,696
Yeah.
827
01:01:48,667 --> 01:01:52,212
Working with Walt,
nobody had any idea he was ill.
828
01:01:52,879 --> 01:01:55,298
Certainly not to the extent he was.
829
01:01:57,300 --> 01:02:00,720
We simply didn't see it coming.
We never saw it coming.
830
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:11,523
After Walt's death,
his wife, Lillian, said that
831
01:02:11,606 --> 01:02:16,027
it was difficult for her to watch
or listen to Mickey Mouse
832
01:02:17,529 --> 01:02:19,489
because there was so much of Walt in him.
833
01:02:34,879 --> 01:02:38,383
After his passing,
they pretty much closed up the office.
834
01:02:41,177 --> 01:02:43,430
They'd go in and dust and--
and things like that,
835
01:02:43,513 --> 01:02:45,348
but it-- it looks just the way it did.
836
01:02:48,685 --> 01:02:51,354
We've tried to keep it
as close to Walt as possible.
837
01:03:06,411 --> 01:03:08,663
You know, with the passing of Walt,
838
01:03:08,747 --> 01:03:11,875
the studio honestly did not know
what to do with Mickey.
839
01:03:13,668 --> 01:03:17,589
And for me as a Disney storyteller,
it was kind of eye-opening.
840
01:03:20,717 --> 01:03:23,762
It almost seemed that they wanted
to put the lid on Mickey.
841
01:03:28,099 --> 01:03:32,687
Because Walt's values,
Walt's ideas would be frozen in time.
842
01:03:46,117 --> 01:03:48,078
The world changed. The culture changed.
843
01:03:49,954 --> 01:03:52,957
And Mickey hadn't really changed with it.
844
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,461
Even Mickey Mouse has troubles these days.
845
01:03:56,544 --> 01:03:59,923
A band of yippies threatened trouble
in the park all day yesterday.
846
01:04:01,091 --> 01:04:04,552
The yippies said
they have come to liberate Mickey Mouse.
847
01:04:08,598 --> 01:04:12,352
Mickey Mouse was still
very much alive outside the Disney studio.
848
01:04:13,937 --> 01:04:16,731
You know, you could not escape him.
849
01:04:20,068 --> 01:04:21,945
Just like America splits in the '60s,
850
01:04:22,028 --> 01:04:23,530
Mickey Mouse splits as well.
851
01:04:25,198 --> 01:04:27,242
There's kind of a surface meaning to him.
852
01:04:27,325 --> 01:04:30,036
But the more you look into him,
the more you think about it,
853
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,580
the more levels there are to this symbol.
854
01:04:34,499 --> 01:04:36,292
So there are two Mickeys now.
855
01:04:36,376 --> 01:04:38,753
Mainstream Mickey
and counterculture Mickey.
856
01:04:39,295 --> 01:04:41,423
And those coexist in this one character.
857
01:04:56,980 --> 01:04:58,773
Mickey becomes this irresistible symbol
858
01:04:58,857 --> 01:04:59,899
to the counterculture.
859
01:05:02,736 --> 01:05:06,906
So if you have an issue with your parents,
with authority, with America in general,
860
01:05:06,990 --> 01:05:08,366
Mickey Mouse is your guy.
861
01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:13,788
What Mickey provided was inspiration.
862
01:05:15,331 --> 01:05:16,875
People were starting to use Mickey
863
01:05:16,958 --> 01:05:21,046
to reflect life around them
in all sorts of different ways.
864
01:05:24,132 --> 01:05:27,344
And that really starts to deepen
the character of Mickey Mouse.
865
01:05:31,139 --> 01:05:34,934
I don't know why things persist
in people's minds and memories.
866
01:05:35,018 --> 01:05:37,562
Some things stick, some things don't.
867
01:05:38,146 --> 01:05:39,397
I forgot I did that.
868
01:05:39,481 --> 01:05:44,402
That was Mickey Mouse
by Leonardo da Vinci.
869
01:05:46,363 --> 01:05:53,161
All significant art represents an attempt
to understand reality.
870
01:05:57,082 --> 01:05:59,459
I was against the Vietnam War,
871
01:06:01,252 --> 01:06:07,008
and I thought we could do a little film
on Mickey Mouse in Vietnam.
872
01:06:09,010 --> 01:06:12,263
I was looking for a symbol
that would represent every man.
873
01:06:12,972 --> 01:06:15,433
And Mickey was sort of universal.
874
01:06:16,393 --> 01:06:18,812
And so much a part of the American ethos.
875
01:06:20,313 --> 01:06:23,316
Part of the factor was his innocence.
876
01:06:24,901 --> 01:06:28,988
By that point, Mickey really had become
an emblem of what America stood for.
877
01:06:30,615 --> 01:06:34,452
But America is changing during that time,
and in that short film,
878
01:06:34,536 --> 01:06:38,331
Mickey somehow manages to be
the perfect symbol for that change.
879
01:06:38,415 --> 01:06:40,542
Of innocence lost during that war.
880
01:06:41,793 --> 01:06:44,087
By that point,
we're so identified with Mickey,
881
01:06:44,170 --> 01:06:48,341
Mickey is so close to us,
that there's no other character or symbol
882
01:06:48,425 --> 01:06:50,468
that could sell
that message so effectively.
883
01:07:04,315 --> 01:07:07,694
Every version of Mickey
is a version of all of us.
884
01:07:07,777 --> 01:07:10,530
It's a version of the society
that we have all come from.
885
01:07:12,741 --> 01:07:17,787
And in the 1960s, America began
to ask questions about itself,
886
01:07:19,122 --> 01:07:23,626
questions that many had ignored,
and that included Mickey Mouse.
887
01:07:26,046 --> 01:07:31,301
Just like Mickey's shorts in the '30s
where Mickey's performing in blackface,
888
01:07:31,384 --> 01:07:33,970
popular forms of entertainment show
889
01:07:34,054 --> 01:07:38,183
America has been divided
since the founding of this country.
890
01:07:41,353 --> 01:07:45,857
But it's difficult to see Mickey
part of that conversation.
891
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,447
It's a disconnection that happens
as a viewer when I'm faced with that…
892
01:07:54,699 --> 01:07:56,534
…and those sorts of presentations.
893
01:07:58,411 --> 01:08:00,372
And then, of course, you have Minnie.
894
01:08:02,916 --> 01:08:06,753
It's hard to watch
those Mickey shorts with our eyes today.
895
01:08:07,837 --> 01:08:10,173
- But the last thing we wanna do…
- Don't do that!
896
01:08:10,256 --> 01:08:13,009
…is to ignore, to hide,
897
01:08:13,093 --> 01:08:16,262
to somehow imagine those elements
of our identity don't exist.
898
01:08:17,097 --> 01:08:19,641
That version of Mickey does exist.
899
01:08:20,141 --> 01:08:23,269
He speaks to the racism
within our own society.
900
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,272
It's easy to say, "It is what it is."
901
01:08:26,356 --> 01:08:29,359
It's easy to say that was just Walt
being the man he was at the time.
902
01:08:30,402 --> 01:08:34,155
But given the cultural power
that Walt had,
903
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:38,451
some of the images he put out there
with Mickey did damage.
904
01:08:40,245 --> 01:08:42,497
Mickey's supposed to love everybody.
905
01:08:44,666 --> 01:08:48,878
Clearly, in these moments,
he's not loving all of us.
906
01:08:48,962 --> 01:08:50,797
He's not loving all of us.
907
01:08:52,590 --> 01:08:56,136
And here is Mickey's official
50th anniversary portrait.
908
01:08:56,219 --> 01:09:01,975
He's a little taller now. More grown-up.
And, at the temples, just a touch of gray.
909
01:09:09,315 --> 01:09:12,068
Mickey's physical appearance
has changed somewhat
910
01:09:12,152 --> 01:09:15,155
since Walt Disney created the mouse
back in 1928.
911
01:09:15,238 --> 01:09:18,324
And over the years,
Mickey's tastes have changed as well.
912
01:09:18,825 --> 01:09:23,329
But Mickey Mouse seems to stay up
with the times, and in the area of music,
913
01:09:23,413 --> 01:09:27,876
it is only natural that Mickey Mouse
would eventually go disco.
914
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:43,641
Mickey is truly iconic in the sense
that he cannot be beaten.
915
01:09:44,684 --> 01:09:47,187
So, yes, he's gonna have a disco album
that's horrible
916
01:09:47,270 --> 01:09:50,065
and that comes two or three years
after disco's peak.
917
01:09:50,148 --> 01:09:53,068
But it's still gonna be really popular
and successful.
918
01:09:53,151 --> 01:09:56,654
I loved
the Mickey Mouse Disco when I was younger.
919
01:09:56,738 --> 01:09:58,782
And I would just, like,
dance in my living room.
920
01:10:01,493 --> 01:10:02,494
That's cute.
921
01:10:03,787 --> 01:10:07,540
But then on the other side,
we see the punk appropriation of Mickey.
922
01:10:14,172 --> 01:10:17,133
And we see the Ramones
wearing Mickey Mouse T-shirts.
923
01:10:17,217 --> 01:10:18,551
What are they doing?
924
01:10:21,429 --> 01:10:25,475
I, myself, and my friends,
when we were into punk and skateboarding,
925
01:10:25,558 --> 01:10:27,811
would wear Mickey Mouse T-shirts.
926
01:10:27,894 --> 01:10:31,106
It was a mixture of,
"I am making fun of something,
927
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:33,608
and I am also expressing admiration
for something,
928
01:10:33,692 --> 01:10:35,985
and my parents don't get that."
929
01:10:36,486 --> 01:10:38,780
So it became kind of a secret language.
930
01:10:46,121 --> 01:10:49,749
A lot of artists began to incorporate
Mickey as a way of saying,
931
01:10:49,833 --> 01:10:53,545
"If you're gonna flood the culture
with this kind of imagery,
932
01:10:53,628 --> 01:10:55,505
then it becomes ours at some point."
933
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:07,058
He becomes the super symbol.
934
01:11:08,184 --> 01:11:09,728
Mickey Mouse, we are told,
935
01:11:09,811 --> 01:11:12,355
is one of the top three icons
of the 20th century.
936
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:16,234
A distinction he shares with Adolf Hitler
and the Coca-Cola bottle.
937
01:11:16,317 --> 01:11:18,695
Andy Warhol lifted the image straight
938
01:11:18,778 --> 01:11:21,614
as part of a series
of screen prints entitled Myths.
939
01:11:21,698 --> 01:11:24,617
Mickey Mouse is my favorite, uh, image
940
01:11:24,701 --> 01:11:27,662
because, uh, Walt Disney is
my favorite artist.
941
01:11:31,791 --> 01:11:33,960
- I'm Mickey Mouse.
- I'm Minnie Mouse.
942
01:11:34,044 --> 01:11:35,462
I'm Donald Duck.
943
01:11:36,671 --> 01:11:38,214
By the 1980s,
944
01:11:38,298 --> 01:11:40,175
things were getting weird
for Mickey Mouse,
945
01:11:40,842 --> 01:11:47,015
because he had become almost this
divine figure that you didn't mess with.
946
01:11:47,599 --> 01:11:49,184
Recently, The Walt Disney Company
947
01:11:49,267 --> 01:11:51,936
heard about the painted characters
at this day care center
948
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:54,522
and two others in Hallandale, Florida.
949
01:11:54,606 --> 01:11:57,275
Disney now demanding
the removal of all its characters.
950
01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:00,570
The company charging unauthorized
infringement of its rights
951
01:12:00,653 --> 01:12:02,364
under the US Copyright Act.
952
01:12:03,782 --> 01:12:06,409
Do you know
what they're going to do to Mickey Mouse?
953
01:12:06,493 --> 01:12:08,912
- What?
- They're gonna take him away.
954
01:12:10,205 --> 01:12:12,957
Despite their objections,
the day care centers say
955
01:12:13,041 --> 01:12:15,669
they'll have to paint
over the cartoon characters
956
01:12:15,752 --> 01:12:18,797
because they can't fight the power
of the corporate mouse.
957
01:12:19,964 --> 01:12:22,634
Our legal protection
of Mickey has inevitably led
958
01:12:22,717 --> 01:12:26,554
to some uncomfortable situations
over the course of the company's history.
959
01:12:27,514 --> 01:12:30,475
I wouldn't say that we've handled
every situation perfectly,
960
01:12:30,558 --> 01:12:34,479
but there's really no precedent
for a creation like this
961
01:12:34,562 --> 01:12:36,231
when it comes to copyright.
962
01:12:36,314 --> 01:12:38,525
Mickey's one of the most
popular characters in the world,
963
01:12:38,608 --> 01:12:41,444
and there's really no question
that we've had to learn as we go.
964
01:12:43,780 --> 01:12:45,782
Disney's been very protective of Mickey,
965
01:12:46,324 --> 01:12:49,619
and it's interesting to think about
how Walt's own experience
966
01:12:49,703 --> 01:12:54,416
of losing Oswald early on helps
to define the trajectory of the studio.
967
01:12:54,499 --> 01:12:58,795
You signed this contract.
See this signature there? Walt Disney.
968
01:12:58,878 --> 01:13:03,049
Right here it says that we own
Oswald the Rabbit.
969
01:13:04,259 --> 01:13:07,846
Disney as a company
was created out of tremendous loss,
970
01:13:08,722 --> 01:13:12,684
and I think that will give
some context to why the company
971
01:13:12,767 --> 01:13:15,145
has defended Mickey so carefully
over the years.
972
01:13:16,896 --> 01:13:20,316
And we understand that copyright
is a part of the Mickey Mouse story.
973
01:13:21,401 --> 01:13:24,779
The challenging thing is that
from a practical perspective,
974
01:13:24,863 --> 01:13:28,366
your copyright is only as good
as your ability to enforce it.
975
01:13:29,492 --> 01:13:33,121
It's a balance and one that
we continually work to get right.
976
01:13:36,041 --> 01:13:39,794
I am wholeheartedly against
the infringement of copyright.
977
01:13:39,878 --> 01:13:42,672
So much so,
that I had that phrase trademarked,
978
01:13:42,756 --> 01:13:45,759
and then I had it emblazoned
on a Mickey Mouse doll.
979
01:13:49,637 --> 01:13:53,641
Where does something this big
and this important to society
980
01:13:53,725 --> 01:13:56,353
become just owned by society?
981
01:13:56,436 --> 01:13:59,606
There is a level of Mickey that,
you know, we all own.
982
01:13:59,689 --> 01:14:04,152
Disney the company was very strict
about copyright and legal issues,
983
01:14:04,235 --> 01:14:07,822
but I never personally associated it
with Mickey himself.
984
01:14:07,906 --> 01:14:10,116
There's the
ambassador-of-the-company Mickey,
985
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,286
and then there is that little more
rambunctious nature of Mickey.
986
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:15,830
There are two Mickeys,
'cause like anybody else would,
987
01:14:15,914 --> 01:14:19,334
Mickey has to act a little bit differently
in different environments.
988
01:14:21,252 --> 01:14:23,630
And how do you not love
Mickey's Christmas Carol?
989
01:14:23,713 --> 01:14:24,714
You know that-- that--
990
01:14:24,798 --> 01:14:27,967
The soul of Mickey in that movie
is still the pure soul of the film.
991
01:14:31,763 --> 01:14:33,556
Walt Disney Studios.
992
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:38,103
Home to characters and stories spun
from pure cinematic magic.
993
01:14:38,186 --> 01:14:40,730
But up until 1983,
994
01:14:40,814 --> 01:14:44,109
the Disney character who started
the whole enchanted operation
995
01:14:44,192 --> 01:14:46,444
hadn't made a movie in 30 years.
996
01:14:51,241 --> 01:14:52,701
When we created the picture,
997
01:14:52,784 --> 01:14:57,789
there was, amongst us, a sense that we--
we were gonna be able to bring him back.
998
01:15:01,042 --> 01:15:04,087
G-g-g-good morning,
Mr. Scrooge.
999
01:15:04,170 --> 01:15:07,090
Mickey's Christmas Carol
was heralded as Mickey's great comeback.
1000
01:15:08,174 --> 01:15:09,843
But it's really a Scrooge McDuck cartoon.
1001
01:15:09,926 --> 01:15:11,302
What are you doing?
1002
01:15:12,429 --> 01:15:16,057
I was just trying
to keep my hands warm, sir.
1003
01:15:18,101 --> 01:15:20,979
Some of the top people
that used to work here have done Mickey
1004
01:15:21,062 --> 01:15:23,732
and, uh, you know,
things were pretty well established
1005
01:15:23,815 --> 01:15:26,735
as far as what kind of a character,
you know, he is.
1006
01:15:28,695 --> 01:15:33,491
There was a sense that
there was a little bit of a fear, I think,
1007
01:15:33,575 --> 01:15:34,993
that the studio had with Mickey
1008
01:15:35,076 --> 01:15:40,081
'cause they didn't want
to do something that failed.
1009
01:15:41,499 --> 01:15:43,960
He was our corporate symbol.
1010
01:15:44,794 --> 01:15:48,548
So it would've been really difficult
if Mickey's a flop.
1011
01:15:48,631 --> 01:15:52,135
Like Walt always said,
it all started with a mouse.
1012
01:15:52,218 --> 01:15:54,554
So they kind of became very careful
1013
01:15:54,637 --> 01:15:57,640
about what projects
Mickey was involved with.
1014
01:16:01,478 --> 01:16:02,937
Oh! Huh.
1015
01:16:03,021 --> 01:16:04,314
Aw, Minnie and I…
1016
01:16:04,397 --> 01:16:07,484
It's both an honor
and a challenge
1017
01:16:07,567 --> 01:16:09,778
to animate Mickey in the present day.
1018
01:16:09,861 --> 01:16:11,279
Hey!
1019
01:16:12,614 --> 01:16:15,825
You've got this big weight
on your shoulders…
1020
01:16:15,909 --> 01:16:18,078
…like, "I'd better not louse it up."
1021
01:16:19,829 --> 01:16:24,918
But, you know,
I just look at it as a continuum.
1022
01:16:25,794 --> 01:16:28,546
I mean, here we are
almost a hundred years later,
1023
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:32,300
and we're in the final week
of animating this new short.
1024
01:16:33,134 --> 01:16:36,930
You know, we're still drawing him,
we're still talking about him.
1025
01:16:37,889 --> 01:16:40,767
After all the things that Mickey
has been through…
1026
01:16:41,726 --> 01:16:43,061
he's still here.
1027
01:16:46,189 --> 01:16:47,524
The Disney name evoked
1028
01:16:47,607 --> 01:16:50,151
some of the happiest
and most endearing memories
1029
01:16:50,235 --> 01:16:54,322
in entertainment, but in recent years,
some of that luster has dimmed.
1030
01:16:54,406 --> 01:16:57,075
Even with that legacy
and with those assets,
1031
01:16:57,158 --> 01:17:00,412
everyone would acknowledge
something was wrong.
1032
01:17:00,495 --> 01:17:02,205
What do you think about Mickey Mouse?
1033
01:17:02,288 --> 01:17:03,581
He's okay, but…
1034
01:17:03,665 --> 01:17:07,335
I like Goofy. And Minnie and Goofy.
1035
01:17:08,586 --> 01:17:12,382
In attempting to interact
with as many people as possible,
1036
01:17:12,465 --> 01:17:13,842
Mickey seems lost.
1037
01:17:14,843 --> 01:17:17,053
He's hollow.
There's-- There's nothing there.
1038
01:17:17,637 --> 01:17:20,181
Look in the dictionary. What a definition!
1039
01:17:20,265 --> 01:17:24,060
"Unimportant.
Trivial. Irritatingly petty."
1040
01:17:24,144 --> 01:17:28,314
Let Fredo take care of
some Mickey Mouse nightclub somewhere!
1041
01:17:29,149 --> 01:17:31,067
Do I like new Mickey Mouse?
1042
01:17:31,609 --> 01:17:34,612
Would I sing the Mouseketeer Club song?
1043
01:17:35,196 --> 01:17:37,532
No. No, I'm not a fan of Mickey.
1044
01:17:38,491 --> 01:17:41,327
This is the Mickey that you see today.
1045
01:17:41,411 --> 01:17:43,997
He has nice puffed-out cheeks.
1046
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,499
In other words,
all the kids think he looks cute.
1047
01:17:48,043 --> 01:17:49,794
Guess who's moving to Japan?
1048
01:17:49,878 --> 01:17:52,547
America's best-known mouse, Mickey.
1049
01:17:53,298 --> 01:17:55,133
Not only was Mickey mobbed
1050
01:17:55,216 --> 01:17:56,885
but so was the store selling his ears.
1051
01:17:56,968 --> 01:18:00,096
Fresh supplies had to be flown in
after the hats sold out.
1052
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,558
Mickey stands for Disneyland
1053
01:18:03,641 --> 01:18:06,394
the place where they can go
and have all this fun.
1054
01:18:07,645 --> 01:18:08,772
And spend money.
1055
01:18:09,481 --> 01:18:11,524
We don't just sell Disney.
1056
01:18:11,608 --> 01:18:13,068
We are Disney.
1057
01:18:14,069 --> 01:18:16,738
Mickey in one word? Uh…
1058
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:19,491
Consumerism.
1059
01:18:20,617 --> 01:18:23,411
I'm the mascot of an evil corporation.
1060
01:18:27,916 --> 01:18:29,209
Take the good with the bad.
1061
01:18:29,292 --> 01:18:31,378
Think of all the laughs I've given you.
1062
01:18:31,961 --> 01:18:34,005
You're supposed to be funny?
1063
01:18:34,089 --> 01:18:36,049
- Yeah.
1064
01:18:49,562 --> 01:18:52,190
I think we confused people.
1065
01:18:52,273 --> 01:18:56,695
So that, in 2005, when you asked people,
uh, who Mickey Mouse was,
1066
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:58,530
they typically would say
1067
01:18:58,613 --> 01:19:01,950
he's a corporate symbol
of The Walt Disney Company.
1068
01:19:04,244 --> 01:19:09,749
I'm not sure people really knew
who Mickey was or what Mickey was
1069
01:19:09,833 --> 01:19:12,502
because Mickey had been
so many different things
1070
01:19:12,585 --> 01:19:13,962
and not necessarily all good.
1071
01:19:14,045 --> 01:19:16,631
- What's that? You want some more?
- Hey!
1072
01:19:16,715 --> 01:19:18,466
Who's the mouse
that's got the groove?
1073
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:21,011
He was looked upon, I think,
as commerce versus art.
1074
01:19:22,971 --> 01:19:24,139
Not quite heartless,
1075
01:19:24,222 --> 01:19:30,645
but he didn't have enough of the identity
that Walt created for him originally.
1076
01:19:35,692 --> 01:19:38,528
The last thing Walt would've wanted
would've been for Mickey
1077
01:19:38,611 --> 01:19:42,198
to remain as he was
or to be stuck in some museum case.
1078
01:19:42,824 --> 01:19:46,828
So, we began a process
to bring Mickey forward.
1079
01:19:48,747 --> 01:19:50,540
Most people, when they thought of Mickey,
1080
01:19:50,623 --> 01:19:54,169
besides being a corporate icon,
felt that Mickey was old.
1081
01:19:55,086 --> 01:19:57,714
We asked people,
"How old do you think Mickey is?"
1082
01:19:57,797 --> 01:20:00,383
And everybody said,
"Well, he's over sixty-five."
1083
01:20:01,634 --> 01:20:04,387
And there had been
very little content made
1084
01:20:04,471 --> 01:20:06,890
with Mickey in it for quite some time.
1085
01:20:08,016 --> 01:20:11,144
We prevented anyone
innovating with the character
1086
01:20:11,227 --> 01:20:14,647
or anyone even trying to return Mickey
to his former self.
1087
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:18,860
We thought we owed it to ourselves
and to the character
1088
01:20:18,943 --> 01:20:21,988
to engage with all sectors of the company.
1089
01:20:22,864 --> 01:20:25,200
And that led to what we called a bake-off.
1090
01:20:25,283 --> 01:20:28,661
We let each of the entities present to us
1091
01:20:28,745 --> 01:20:32,374
a fresh version of Mickey Mouse
that everybody could love again.
1092
01:20:33,041 --> 01:20:35,960
At first, I was like,
"Well, gosh. It sure would be cool
1093
01:20:36,044 --> 01:20:40,256
to just make Mickey Mouse shorts,
but they're not gonna let me do that."
1094
01:20:42,967 --> 01:20:46,763
It was a very interesting time.
For me, it was like,
1095
01:20:46,846 --> 01:20:48,264
"He doesn't need to be a shill.
1096
01:20:48,348 --> 01:20:52,894
He can go back to the time
when he was really active and happy."
1097
01:20:54,396 --> 01:20:57,565
But I felt like Mickey himself had
forgotten his roots.
1098
01:20:57,649 --> 01:20:58,983
Forgotten where he came from.
1099
01:20:59,818 --> 01:21:03,363
Disney had this bible
of what Mickey is and isn't,
1100
01:21:03,446 --> 01:21:07,492
the dos and don'ts,
and they decided not to show me that.
1101
01:21:08,535 --> 01:21:12,539
I wanted to remind him
that he wasn't just a corporate symbol,
1102
01:21:12,622 --> 01:21:14,958
that he wasn't
just a greeter in the parks,
1103
01:21:15,792 --> 01:21:18,169
that he was a cartoon character too.
1104
01:21:24,467 --> 01:21:27,345
The bake-off ultimately led to
1105
01:21:27,429 --> 01:21:30,265
a whole new era
of storytelling with Mickey.
1106
01:21:30,348 --> 01:21:32,142
Hang on, pal. Here we go.
1107
01:21:32,726 --> 01:21:35,729
Holy moly! It's Mickey Mouse!
1108
01:21:39,357 --> 01:21:42,444
They wanted to restore Mickey
to his glory and make sure,
1109
01:21:42,527 --> 01:21:44,904
because Mickey didn't
take himself too seriously,
1110
01:21:44,988 --> 01:21:46,990
we weren't taking Mickey so seriously.
1111
01:21:49,242 --> 01:21:52,037
The new shorts actually,
that version of Mickey, to me,
1112
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,790
is the first time I've seen that kind of
truest version of him in a long time.
1113
01:21:55,874 --> 01:21:58,209
I'm coming, Minnie!
1114
01:21:58,293 --> 01:21:59,502
Fire, fire, fire!
1115
01:21:59,586 --> 01:22:01,379
He's, like, coming into his personality.
1116
01:22:01,463 --> 01:22:04,382
He's not holding back.
The sky is the limit for him.
1117
01:22:05,967 --> 01:22:07,886
He's still allowed to be a goober
1118
01:22:07,969 --> 01:22:12,515
and still allowed to be sad
and happy and angry. All of it.
1119
01:22:15,226 --> 01:22:16,603
Get back here!
1120
01:22:17,854 --> 01:22:21,399
It's been fun to see kids going,
"Wow! These are actually funny!"
1121
01:22:24,527 --> 01:22:27,739
How do you balance the heritage
that created the character,
1122
01:22:27,822 --> 01:22:31,951
that created the company,
with the need to be innovative and modern?
1123
01:22:32,035 --> 01:22:36,873
The trick is to respect the past
but not revere it.
1124
01:22:43,588 --> 01:22:44,964
Hello.
1125
01:22:47,342 --> 01:22:49,344
Oh, my gosh. Red!
1126
01:22:49,427 --> 01:22:53,181
There's only really one Mickey
I want to see.
1127
01:22:53,264 --> 01:22:56,017
And that's that old-time Mickey.
1128
01:22:56,101 --> 01:22:57,102
- Mickey!
- Minnie!
1129
01:22:57,185 --> 01:22:59,771
When he came out of the screen,
we didn't want him to feel like,
1130
01:23:00,271 --> 01:23:02,857
"Oh, he's the new Mickey."
We wanted him to feel like,
1131
01:23:02,941 --> 01:23:05,902
"This is Mickey, just outside of
his black-and-white screen."
1132
01:23:06,945 --> 01:23:09,322
There was a moment on the film
when we were like,
1133
01:23:09,406 --> 01:23:16,413
"Wait. So, all the characters are running
in and out of the screen from 2D to CG,
1134
01:23:16,496 --> 01:23:19,207
and they loop, like, six or seven times?"
1135
01:23:19,290 --> 01:23:20,625
And Lauren's like, "Yeah!"
1136
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:21,710
And we're like…
1137
01:23:23,211 --> 01:23:25,005
"Okay."
1138
01:23:26,131 --> 01:23:29,342
I think that's something
that Walt established early on
1139
01:23:29,426 --> 01:23:30,927
where you just-- You never say no.
1140
01:23:31,011 --> 01:23:33,346
You always push boundaries.
You're always innovating.
1141
01:23:34,889 --> 01:23:37,767
He would've had us
in hologram animation by now.
1142
01:23:39,310 --> 01:23:41,521
In the same way that the parks
1143
01:23:41,604 --> 01:23:44,274
and the walk-arounds keep
the characters alive,
1144
01:23:45,191 --> 01:23:48,737
new animation helps keep them alive.
1145
01:23:49,404 --> 01:23:53,742
And pencil to paper
is the way that Mickey started.
1146
01:23:53,825 --> 01:23:57,495
And, in many cases,
it's the way he looks the best.
1147
01:24:03,835 --> 01:24:05,587
Well, I just got the short back.
1148
01:24:08,381 --> 01:24:11,676
The thing that I'm really happiest about
in this piece is
1149
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,845
that when you see it all cut together--
1150
01:24:14,679 --> 01:24:18,224
you know, all the Mickeys,
all in one short film--
1151
01:24:19,184 --> 01:24:23,313
it really does feel like
the Mickey that we all love.
1152
01:24:24,522 --> 01:24:26,649
- Good to see you guys!
- Good to see you.
1153
01:24:26,733 --> 01:24:27,942
Good to see you.
1154
01:24:28,026 --> 01:24:29,361
This is gonna be cool.
1155
01:24:29,444 --> 01:24:31,279
Everything looks better in this theater.
1156
01:24:31,363 --> 01:24:33,365
- Yeah, I think it does.
1157
01:24:33,448 --> 01:24:36,201
You know, if Walt and Ub are watching,
1158
01:24:36,868 --> 01:24:43,708
I'd like to think we did our darndest
to honor them and honor their creation.
1159
01:24:51,424 --> 01:24:52,592
Oh! Huh.
1160
01:24:53,385 --> 01:24:54,552
Mm-hmm.
1161
01:24:54,636 --> 01:24:56,179
Oh. And there's Pluto.
1162
01:24:56,971 --> 01:24:58,348
Aw, Minnie and I.
1163
01:25:00,183 --> 01:25:03,186
Wow. That one sure gave me a workout.
1164
01:25:03,853 --> 01:25:04,854
Hey!
1165
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:21,955
Whoo! Whoo!
1166
01:25:36,761 --> 01:25:38,513
Oh! Gosh.
1167
01:25:43,101 --> 01:25:44,644
Well… …what do you know?
1168
01:25:46,396 --> 01:25:47,814
Okay, roll it!
1169
01:25:48,606 --> 01:25:49,983
Whoa!
1170
01:25:50,567 --> 01:25:51,776
Yeah, that's it.
1171
01:25:51,860 --> 01:25:53,028
All right.
1172
01:25:54,904 --> 01:25:56,906
You guys did a great job.
1173
01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:59,325
- Absolutely great.
- Thank you. It was fun. A lot of fun.
1174
01:25:59,409 --> 01:26:01,036
Walt would be proud.
1175
01:26:01,119 --> 01:26:03,163
- I hope so.
1176
01:26:04,789 --> 01:26:05,832
Can we run it again?
1177
01:26:05,915 --> 01:26:06,916
Yeah.
1178
01:26:14,424 --> 01:26:17,260
Everybody used to say,
"What would Walt think?"
1179
01:26:17,927 --> 01:26:20,013
I actually think about that a lot.
1180
01:26:22,724 --> 01:26:25,518
Walt would say,
"Never lose sight of the fact
1181
01:26:25,602 --> 01:26:27,312
that it was all started with a mouse."
1182
01:26:27,395 --> 01:26:31,274
But before Mickey Mouse,
it all started with Walt Disney.
1183
01:26:41,493 --> 01:26:45,413
One thing that Walt kept
in his office right until the end
1184
01:26:46,039 --> 01:26:50,168
was a hand-drawn map
of the farm here in Marceline.
1185
01:26:57,342 --> 01:27:02,555
And I-- I really like the idea
that even at the end of his life,
1186
01:27:02,639 --> 01:27:08,603
Walt was still thinking about that tree
where he first felt that spark.
1187
01:27:24,994 --> 01:27:27,706
Mickey is a thing we all share.
1188
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:30,500
There aren't many of those around.
1189
01:27:33,420 --> 01:27:39,217
He's grown into
a necessary character for us.
1190
01:27:47,267 --> 01:27:50,562
Whenever I did chemo,
I had to have my Mickey Mouse shorts.
1191
01:27:50,645 --> 01:27:54,024
And this dark and dreary moment
that I was in--
1192
01:27:54,607 --> 01:27:56,359
I found a little hope, you know?
1193
01:27:56,443 --> 01:27:59,362
And I feel like
that's who Mickey Mouse is.
1194
01:28:01,781 --> 01:28:05,285
When I was 13,
I was granted a Make-A-Wish.
1195
01:28:05,368 --> 01:28:09,873
Then seeing Mickey, he just brought,
like, this, um, happiness out of me,
1196
01:28:09,956 --> 01:28:13,960
and, like, made me, uh, remember
that I was still a child.
1197
01:28:24,554 --> 01:28:26,681
That magical spark…
1198
01:28:27,807 --> 01:28:30,685
I felt it and never forgot it.
1199
01:28:32,312 --> 01:28:33,855
Bye, Mickey!
1200
01:28:33,938 --> 01:28:37,150
At this point, I think Mickey is us.
1201
01:28:39,027 --> 01:28:43,490
So, wherever we're headed next,
he's coming with us.
1202
01:29:07,597 --> 01:29:11,017
I love that Disney
hides Mickey Mouses everywhere.
1203
01:29:11,601 --> 01:29:13,937
All over the park or any sort of property.
1204
01:29:15,105 --> 01:29:16,898
It's a little secret way of saying,
1205
01:29:16,981 --> 01:29:18,900
"Thank you, Mickey.
You still belong here."
1206
01:29:20,902 --> 01:29:23,530
And the cool thing about it is,
it doesn't stop there.
1207
01:29:23,613 --> 01:29:25,907
You'll leave, and then in real life,
1208
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:28,952
you'll just notice
Mickey heads everywhere.
1209
01:29:30,036 --> 01:29:31,037
It's like, "Oh, my gosh.
1210
01:29:31,121 --> 01:29:33,456
Okay, wait a minute. Mickey, are you--
are you speaking to me?
1211
01:29:33,540 --> 01:29:36,084
Are you communicating to me?
What is happening here?
1212
01:29:36,167 --> 01:29:37,794
Why am I seeing you everywhere?"