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(CHILDREN CRYING)
(WOMEN SHOUTING)
ALL: Allahu akbar! Allahu akbar!
Allahu akbar!
WOMAN 1: This is an exodus on a massive scale.
But it's mainly those loyal to the cause.
WOMAN 2: US-backed Syrian forces say
they have seized control of the last pocket of territory
held by the Islamic State in Syria.
The victory puts an end to the brutal long reign of terror by Isis
that once covered large parts of Syria and Iraq.
WOMAN 3: Thousands of Isis families, defeated and demoralised,
are facing surrender.
WOMAN 1: 50,000 people who no one wants to take responsibility for.
MAN: The humanitarian organisations, and in particular,
the local administration, are overwhelmed.
WOMAN 4: With the withdrawal of the Western troops,
the Kurds have been left in charge of almost 100,000 Isis captives.
WOMAN 3: This is a challenge for governments around the world.
Radicalised mothers bringing up children
who've known no other life,
and no one knows what to do with them.
And good morning. My name is Zozan Aloush.
I am Kurdish woman from city of Kobane,
and a woman rights activist.
From point of the view in northeast Syria,
as Kurdish women and Kurdish movement,
we think the woman is a victim and we need to support each other.
Even if you make some mistake,
that doesn't mean that I should leave you.
I will ask you from your name, your country
and which background you come.
Maybe we'll begin with you.
(LAUGHTER)
Shamima?
OK. My name's Shamima,
I'm from the UK. I'm 19.
And you?
My name was Kimberly, and I'm originally from Canada.
You?My name is Nawal, I'm from the Netherlands, I'm 33.
Um, I'm Hoda, 24 years old and from America.
Uh, I'm Hafida, 27 years old. also from the Netherlands.
Yeah, my name is Ouidad. Ouidad.
I'm from Germany, I'm 32 years old.
Every day, we are fighting for you, you know,
to ensure you will go home.
Every week, we are sending mails with your names,
with your profiles, picture of your kids,
to your governments.
The most respond we received is,
"We want the children, not-- without woman. Without the mothers."
And it's inhuman, for me. We cannot do that.
For example, Belgium, they want only the children.
French they only want the children.
Netherland, they even didn't respond.
So we are doing our best.
But for us, giving only the children without mothers,
we will not do that.
I'm sorry, in Germany? They even don't want,
and they even said, "If you insist,
"we will take the nationality from them."
So this is the biggest challenge we are facing with the governments.
We cannot stay here. It's not an option.
Under international humanitarian law,
the countries have to take us back.
We hear you and we care about you,
but for us also it's very difficult.
MAN 1: Now, today we asked,
should the pregnant British schoolgirl who joined IS
be allowed to return to the UK?
No, said 76 per cent.
MAN 2: Did you ever see executions?
In the bins?
What was that like, when you first saw that?
These are the heads of captives?
SHAMIMA: It's been five years now since I left to come to Syria.
I have three older sisters, so I'm the youngest.
They're really outspoken women, really independent, really strong.
And I'm more quiet, in the background.
I just did not fit in with them.
I lived in a neighbourhood mostly full of immigrants,
but I never played outside with the kids or anything else.
I used to love playing by myself.
I didn't really have a good relationship with my mum.
I didn't speak to her, she didn't speak to me.
Really didn't feel like she loved me sometimes.
She never taught me how to pray, but she expected me to pray,
so I used to just pretend to pray.
I was like the black sheep in the family.
I just did not fit in my family at all.
WOMAN: She doesn't know any better.
Muslims are supposed to be prisoners in this life
in paradise in the next life,
so she's thinking in terms of a 7th-century law
and she's thinking beheadings is fine,
she's thinking that executions are fine,
only because she thinks there's an afterlife,
and she's been deceived, she's been lied to,
this is all she's been hearing for the last five years.
(PLANE FLIES OVERHEAD)
WOMAN 1: Hoda Muthana claims
she was trying to leave the caliphate before it fell,
but to the US State Department, she remains a terrorist.
WOMAN 2: She stands accused
of encouraging attacks against Americans.
MAN 1: She joined an enemy entity,
she's a threat to the United States.
MAN 2: Do you think you deserve a punishment for what you did?
Maybe therapy lessons, maybe a process
that will ensure us that we'll never do this again.
People watching will say to themselves,
"Well, therapy isn't enough."
HODA: I was born and raised in America.
My dad was a politician. When he came to America,
he was hired as a diplomat for Yemen in the United Nations.
I have three brothers and one sister.
My mum was a lot more strict with me.
I wore a scarf, at 11, by force. I didn't want to.
I didn't have much friends in high school,
and I was extremely shy, painfully shy.
I think it was lack of social experience outside of school.
I wasn't allowed to hang out with friends,
I wasn't allowed to go anywhere, not even to the mall.
I grew up as an American, born and raised in America,
and all I had waiting for me in the future
was an arranged marriage the exact way my parents wanted it to be.
So I had no time to dream about anything.
(BIRDSONG)
(RADIO CHATTER IN ARABIC)
(CHILDREN PLAYING)
Uh, so I will introduce myself first.
My name is Sevinaz,
and my motivation to come here to have this workshop,
I wanted to know you and then I wanted to try to understand you
and try to create a relation from a woman to a woman
and for you, create a relation for yourself as a woman and as a mother.
You can speak about the things that happens every day with you here.
You can speak about the past, what did you went through.
You can write to the people that now you're missing.
You can write in every possible way that you will feel relief.
OK, now we will watch videos
that the Islamic State used to make a propaganda
to convince people to come and join.
It's better to not discuss now.
We watch it, and then we discuss together.
SINGING IN ARABIC:
AMERICAN MAN: My brothers, there's a role for everybody here in Syria.
You can easily earn yourself a high station with the next life
by sacrificing just a small bit of this worldly life.
Your families would live here in safety,
just like how it is back home.
You know, we have wide expanses of territory here in Syria
and we can easily find accommodation
for you and your families,
so come and join before the doors close.
SHAMIMA: I'd see videos of Syrians being bombed,
babies covered in blood,
Syrians crying, "Where are the Muslims
"to help us and stand by us?"
That-- those types of videos made me feel really guilty.
SPEAKING ARABIC:
They talk about the relationship between one Muslim and another,
stronger even than a blood relationship,
and how Muslims are like a body,
like, one person is hurting, then another person is hurting.
It just made me sick to my stomach
that this was going on in the world and no one was doing anything.
It was really hard for me to see. (EXPLOSIONS ON VIDEO)
I always wanted to be part of a Muslim community,
because when I was young,
I felt like I was an outsider in my community,
so I just wanted to be a part of something.
(SIREN WAILING ON VIDEO) My friends started practising,
and they helped me come into the religion as well,
and it just started with, like, learning my religion,
and then it turned into wanting to come into Syria,
wanting to help the Syrians.
I think a lot of things affected me deep in my heart.
(SHOUTING AND EXPLOSIONS ON VIDEO)
I wanted to feel useful, I felt like I was useless my whole life,
and every website I visited had a Syrian advertisement
that the Syrians need help and the Syrians are starving
and the Syrians are going through trouble,
so I got really sucked into that,
and I felt really bad as a Muslim leaving them behind.
SEVINAZ: OK. I watched some other propaganda videos from the State
but they were, like, so tough in a level,
I was like, "Why anybody who watched this would come?"
But these are, like, really well done videos.
WOMAN 1: For me, example, when I see this video,
I was very curious about what happen in Syria.
And in the other side, I see all this video
about what Bashar did to these people, you know,
so you feel really like, khalas, you know?
WOMAN 2: The-- the propaganda was really manipulating,
so a lot of us here, I speak for the majority of the youth,
a lot of us either were converts
or newly practising in our religion.
Yeah.So when the caliphate did come and was announced,
it was perfect timing for most of us.
For example, me, I was just practising,
I would say a year before I came.
That's all. I grew up in an Islamic household,
but I didn't know much about my religion,
SHAMIMA: I never knew the importance of hijab.
To me, it was just a piece of material.
Usually, parents just tell you to wear it, they don't tell you why,
so you don't really have a connection with the hijab,
you don't understand the importance of wearing it,
so I just wore it for the sake of avoiding argument with my mum.
But when I got to high school, I made my first friends,
and there were a lot more Muslims there,
so I could connect with them more.
Back in the UK, there were a lot of people online
recruiting people like my friends to come,
you know, guilting us into coming,
not really telling us the entire truth about the situation in Syria.
We were just getting all our information from Twitter
and, like, other social media.
We couldn't distinguish between what was fake news
and what was real news.
We were all really young and naive.
WOMAN 1: There's growing concern that young women
are being aggressively groomed on social media.
WOMAN 2: Nazir Afzal says Islamic State
is gaining the status of a pop idol for teenagers in Britain,
with boys wanting to be like them and girls wanting to be with them.
MAN: When you talk about young people,
you have to remember how vulnerable they are.
Teenagers particularly are susceptible to propaganda.
What's happening with, um, Isil, Isis, Daesh,
whatever you want to call them, they're very evil people,
but they're very good at propaganda,
they're very good at marketing.
The path of glory for this ummah lay not for a single day
in the shade of comfort and peace.
Rather, it was to be found by living the true meaning of Islam,
men who do not surrender to the bitter reality of the status quo
but instead strive to change it by surrendering to Allah's command
and waging Jihad in his path.
MAN 1: We're getting a new sense of the brutality of Isis.
OBAMA: Today, the entire world is appalled
by the brutal murder of Jim Foley by the terrorist group Isil.
WOMAN 1: A grisly new act from terrorists
already reviled for their savagery.
Isil reportedly murders a Jordanian pilot by burning him alive.
(SCREAMING)
WOMAN 2: 13 people have been killed in Barcelona
after a van was driven into the crowd.
MAN 2: A white van driving on the London Bridge
starts ploughing into pedestrians. (SIRENS BLARING)
MAN 3: You are looking at the Manchester Arena in England
where a suicide bomber set off an explosion last night.
MAN 4: A group of eight suicide attackers
attacking six separate locations--
MAN 5: Isis in the last few hours
has issued statements of responsibility
in Arabic, in French, in Russian and in English.
Their social media propaganda is going full steam,
and they say this is only the beginning of the storm.
CHILD SPEAKING ARABIC:
HODA: When I started college, I was interested in doing business,
but then my hopes went down the drain,
because I know that after graduating college,
there's nothing...
there's nothing for me to look forward to.
With all the struggles I was going through at home,
I was very distracted at school, and I wasn't listening too often.
My work was always coming in late,
and I was kind of already failing most of my classes,
and I would find my sanctuary on my phone.
I spent a lot of hours online, especially on Twitter,
and there were like British, Australians, Canadians, Americans,
just Muslims from all around the world.
I had what was called at the time a Muslim Twittersphere.
I suddenly became really practising.
Me and my mum didn't have such good relationships,
and I thought I could improve it by being more religious,
because she's very religious,
and I learned all of this on my own online.
When you are brainwashed,
you don't realise it until you snap out of it,
so I took everything too fast and too deep.
WOMAN 1: Hoda Muthana created the username UmmJihad
to tweet thousands of messages to her followers.
WOMAN 2: According to Hoda Muthana's family,
she contacted Isis members through social media
to plan her escape from the US.
WOMAN 3: And part of their propaganda is highlighting
how it is a so-called religious obligation
for young girls to join this Islamic State.
(DOG BARKING)
I-- I get an idea some things that happen with you in your life,
and you cannot share it with anybody.
When you write it down, it's exactly the same
as sharing it with somebody by telling it.
So since now I know all of you have writing skills,
these are for you diaries.
You start to write it for yourself to know how you felt,
and if you like, you will share it with us.Thank you.
If you don't like, you don't share it, this is for your own diary.
How many times you saw him? One time.
And this time he really said to me that he regret everything
and he just want to start new life, you know.
45 kilometres, that's not easy to walk through the minefields
But do you write an I because of this?
(LAUGHTER)
Sometimes I'm-- I'm so afraid to speak about my emotions.
So...Yeah, no, we will try to explain the story.
Yeah.We'll try to not go-- Yeah.But now I read it,
and yeah, I guess the solution is horrible.
Yeah.But, you know. one end is a new beginning, so...Yeah.
Phew! I hope. When this book...
You were pregnant when you come. Yeah, yeah.
I finished my school in Holland,
but short after my diploma, I married.
I was two years married when the father of my children, he left.
Uh... I was three months pregnant.
He left from Holland, he went to Syria.
That moment you know that you are doing something what's wrong,
you are feeling it, but you're thinking,
"I just want to go. I want to try to take him back."
SPEAKING ARABIC:
I was 21. I was six months pregnant.
It was the first time that I travelled alone,
and I entered-- entered in Syria, yeah.
(ALL SHOUTING IN ARABIC)
IN ENGLISH: Hey, hey!
What happened?
IN ENGLISH:
The children in Isis, when they would ask for, uh...
chocolate or for cookies, because there was no food,
and they would say to them,
"In paradise, we will eat our food together,
"and in paradise, we will have chicken together."
So the children, when they were in the... in the welcoming tent,
they said to us, "Are we in paradise?" (LAUGHS)
And we said, "No, but the food is good."
As a child, I didn't understand what is the difference
between me and the others,
but I felt that there was a difference.
Children would say, "I cannot play with you
"because my father say that you are a Moroccan,"
especially after what happened with the World Trade Center, 9-11.
Nawal?"When I went to bed and sleep,
"I sometimes had beautiful dreams,
"but this dream made me hopeful."
I got married and I had the three children in Holland,
then after the rise of Isis,
I just felt that, if this is really an Islamic State,
then maybe it's better for us that we go there.
There were many people also from Holland and from Europe,
they made Hijrah, they emigrated
to the territories of the Islamic State,
and some came back, but most of them stayed.
SHAMIMA: It was the holidays when I decided to leave with my friends.
I knew it was a big decision, but I felt compelled to do it quickly.
I didn't want to be the friend that was left behind.
WOMAN 1: Three teenage girls left London Gatwick Airport
on Tuesday morning.
They are believed to be on their way to Syria...
WOMAN 2: Amira Abase, Kadiza Sultana and Shamima Begum
are all minors, just 15 and 16.
My bags had been packed already, and I put them somewhere else
so my mum didn't see me walking outside of the door.
I didn't even hug her. I'd really regret not hugging her.
And I just got on the bus, and I can just see her staring at me.
WOMAN SPEAKING FRENCH:
While we were on the aeroplane,
our flight got delayed because of the snow.
We were just so nervous,
because by the time the plane would land at four o'clock,
that's when my mum would be expecting me to come home,
so I knew by the time I didn't come home,
they would start getting nervous.
MAN SPEAKING ITALIAN:
After we got out the airport, we went to a coach station.
We did try to dress as if we weren't Muslims,
because we knew that if we dressed as Muslims, they'd suspect us more.
While we were sitting in that coach station,
we were just really quiet, we were really nervous,
but at the same time, kind of excited.
And then after that, we got on the coach
and we went to Gaziantep Airport.
And then from there, we took a bunch of cars to the border,
and we just had to start running across the border.
It was really scary. I don't know.
They were just saying, "Run, run," and we thought, I don't know,
someone would shoot us or something,
and we were just really scared at that point.
(THUDER RUMBLING)
But somehow, we got through.
My mum called, and I just went quiet.
She kept saying my name, and I didn't know what to say back.
And I was like, "Yeah, Mum, I'm here."
Was crying. After that, I didn't speak to her again.
(THUNDER CRASHING)
WOMAN 1: It's pooling.
WOMAN 2: This is from the toilet, huh?
This one?Yeah. They're also clogged.
It comes out.Oh, the smell's so bad.Yeah it's really bad. Really.
Oh, my God. (CHILD SCREAMS)
I want to close this.Huh?
We have to close it. Oh.
We can't. It's overflowing from inside.
This is why. You can't close it.
But maybe with the big pole? I don't know.
It's coming from all the way up.
Look, look down.Shit... (ALL TALKING)
He's not seeing this, yeah? (LAUGHS)
This is madness.Hafida!
Huh?Come help us! Help?Help us!
Ouidad.Yeah?
This is not exactly German engineering, yeah?
(LAUGHS)
It's in all of the tents. Just inside--How many--
It's coming from both sides. Oh, no.
This is what I'm worried about, is it's gone into the tents.
Back in Canada, my children had grown
and they were now moving on with their own direction,
so I found myself alone with an empty nest,
and I wasn't ready for that.
I was really in a terrible space.
And he found me.
He was a very vibrant personality,
not what you would ever have expected
for the persona of-- of a terrorist.
And I got married from a distance, online.
He said, "Come where you're actually loved,
"where you're actually needed," because he knew that I felt like
I was really not needed at the time at all.
SEFINAZ: I guess now I understand why you come,
but now I'm thinking, in which moment you felt like,
"This is not the place that I need to be."
I was trapped in the madafa when I first came, actually, and--
Me, my whole life, I never wanted to get married young. Never.
I wanted-- 26 was my least. My youngest age.
I think. Around 26 years old. And-- So you were trapped in the madafa
until they forced you to get married with somebody.
Everyone that wanted to leave,
they said, "No, it's obligatory for you to stay."
NAWAL: When I entered the Syria, they directly took my passport
and they said, "Because you're new and you have no house,
"you can stay here for a while."
I was so shocked. It was a prison full with women
who also fell for the propaganda of Isis,
and they came but, uh...
they, uh... they locked them up.
All the windows were locked, there was a guard in front of the--
in front of the house. (CHILD SCREAMING)
There was a guard in front of the guard, you know? (CHUCKLES)
And when you-- when you think of this, you're like, "Wow.
"This is crazy, like, why... why..."
Yeah"Why did I-- why did I think--"
Some people thought, you know,
"You have to have patience with this, it's a test from God."
And now I look back at it, I'm, like... "Crazy."
Like, I got out of the madafa just cos it was--
I, like... I got married just because the madafa was dirty and...
You couldn't stay in it.
It was just not the right environment for me at all, so I...
Marriage was the only way out for me, yeah.
At least you have Adam. Yeah.OK.No, his-- his father...
But you're always forced into marriage again
and again and again and again. Yeah.
My name is Ouidad, I'm from Germany.
Um, I'm born as a Muslim,
but my family is non-religious, so I grow up without religion.
I start to wear hijab when I was 19,
and I stayed four years in Isis.
I was 29 and I had my children.
My husband, he was still working in a hospital,
and then he got killed.
After the death of my husband, we had to share with 30 women
and I don't know how many children in the madafa.
My children, they had so much lice in their hair,
I had to shave their hair,
because in this time I got also hepatitis,
and I was so sick, I had a liver infection,
I couldn't even stand up to give them something to eat.
I asked Isis, "Just let me go out, I don't want to marry,"
and then they say, "There is no solution for you except you marry."
One night, a woman was brought in, she was carried in,
and she was-- she wasn't conscious, I don't think.
She-- her-- her eyes were closed.
And she miscarried her baby that night.
I think she was about three months along,
judging by the size of the pregnancy,
and, uh, she was bleeding heavily internally.
I couldn't find an inch, I think, on her entire body
that wasn't marked some way.
She had been beaten with some kind of a pipe, I think,
judging by the markings,
and she was in terrible condition.
And...
many women didn't survive those kinds of injuries, it's too severe,
especially head injuries like this.
How long was your muqabla?
About 30 minutes. 30 whole minutes?Yeah.
Wow, OK.That's not a lot, I know.
And--No, although I know-- Wow.
Hah! I know quite a few people--
SHAMIMA: I thought that I could put off getting married for a while,
but the conditions in the house were really bad,
so I just wanted to get out as soon as possible.
And I stayed there for maybe a month,
and someone offered my husband to me.
What they do first is they ask you for your preferences
of what type of man you would want, like, age, nationality, language,
and then they filter that down,
and they offer you someone and you're, like,
"OK, I'll have a meeting with him."
But I only ever had a meeting with my husband,
my husband only ever had a meeting with me.
And then we just decided to get married. It was-- Yeah.
I remember seeing my husband for the first time,
being like, "Wow, he's really good-looking."
And when-- when I was stepping out of the car,
I tripped on my abaya, because I'm not used to wearing my abaya,
and I-- I fell out of the car.
I just ran quickly into the house. I sat down,
and the first thing my husband said is, "Are you OK? I saw you fall."
I was so embarrassed, I was, like, "I'm OK."
It was really weird. I didn't know how to cook,
and he was just so shocked.
I'm like, "You married a 15-year-old, it's your own fault."
Did your husband have that problem in the muqabla?
No, my husband spoke more than me.
I told him, I don't talk a lot. Yeah, you're more shy.
I thought so.I was honest. "I don't talk a lot."
He's like, "Do you ever stop?"
I'm like, "No. Let me tell you everything.
Women don't know how big it was
when a brother would say no to a sister, like they must...
Either this brother is really picky,
or there's something wrong with the sister, she said something wrong.
You guys analyse this far more than I ever did.Mmm.
Yeah, I just wasn't even planning to get married again.
I was like, "What? How do you marry this quickly? This is not normal.
WOMAN 1: "What kind of a life awaits them under IS?"
SPEAKING ARABIC:
Female IS supporters issued a manifesto
on the role of women in the so-called caliphate.
It says it's legitimate for a girl to be married at the age of nine.
It describes staying at home with her husband and children
as the fundamental function of a woman.
So what's the appeal for young Western Muslim women?
HODA: There's nothing, as a woman, to really do there.
Cook and clean all day.
There's no schools for women, there's nothing to learn,
there was just nothing to do for the past five years.
And it's just really made you so, like, brain-dead.
Music in public was not allowed, free mixing was not allowed,
no internet, there was no TV.
There was very basic living, you know,
it felt like you were living in the Middle Ages or something.
My husband at one point had a computer.
He played video games on it, and I would just watch.
That wasn't allowed, but he still did it
because it was just one of his guilty pleasures, video games.
SPEAKING ARABIC:
You were told how to think, how to dress, how to act.
The Isis police they go around and they yell at people.
One time I had my Nikes on, and it had a pink strip on the Nike,
just a little tiny pink strip,
and I remember being stopped and yelled at for that pink strip.
They would scream in the intercom of their car,
"You can't wear that shoe because it's too attractive."
I remember wearing my glasses, showing my eyes.
"Put your niqab back down. We can see your eyes."
Want to take your glove off just to take your money out of your bag,
someone screams at you from far away, "Put your gloves back on!"
I was expecting a happy place with Muslims...
(LAUGHS) ..helping in hospitals,
helping in schools, helping the community out
and just being like good, decent Muslims to each other.
I don't know. It was just-- it was a big mess.
It was, uh...
It was hell on Earth, really.
WOMAN: Hoda Muthana, who left the US four years ago to join Isis
is desperate to come home,
but the 24-year-old mother has been banned from returning to America.
MAN: "She is not a citizen."
That's the message coming from President Trump.
He tweeted, "A woman who left the US to join Isis
"will not be allowed back into the US."
She tweeted, "Go on drive-bys and spill all their blood,
"or rent a big truck and drive all over them."
HODA: When the tweet of Trump came out, I lost all hope.
I had a big meltdown there.
I didn't know what was going to happen to me.
MAN: She is a terrorist, she's not a US citizen.
She ought not return to this country.
SEVINAZ: Hoda, please.
Part of your diary, and then a letter to yourself...Uh...
before coming to Syria.
What is this first?This is-- this is the letter before coming.
OK, read it first.OK. Please.OK. Thank you.
Thank you.
OK. "Dear me four years ago, I heard you're not doing so well,
"you're distracted in school and at home, no one listens to you.
"You've been mistreated and the only one you turned to was God.
"I heard you became practising in your faith.
"Be careful who you take from and verify your sources.
"Your father said you said something about struggle.
"Don't overthink things. You can't fix everyone's problems.
"Remember to look after yourself first.
"God is merciful and he doesn't expect much from you.
"Keep on building your future and become a successful businesswoman
"like you've always wanted.
"I'm praying for you."
(LAUGHS)OK. Yeah.Thank you.OK.
OK, letter to myself. I want to say to myself,
"Please think with your mind
"and not with your feelings and your emotions,
"because one step, your whole life can change."
(LAUGHS) That's it! Hafida, need to write again.
(LAUGHS) Like... Yes. Yeah, I don't accept this letter.
I don't want to go deep in it, you know?Yes.
But imagine yourself, you're standing in front of yourself
that is going to go to Syria, and you tell her
"Make the right decision."
What will this girl understand?
Shamima?
"Dear Shamima, I know you think this is the only option you have
"to hold on to your religion
"and escape the problems in your life, but it's not.
"You have your entire life to properly learn your religion
"and mend broken relationships between everyone in the family.
"Think about Mum and how much it would hurt her
"to know her little baby left her, and didn't even hug her
"knowing she'll probably never see her again.
"Think about the education you're about to throw away.
"You've worked so hard to get where you are now.
"Don't just walk away-- Don't just walk away from it all
"for something I know you're not even certain about."
The thought of this, everyone deserves a second chance.
Yeah.Yeah.
MAN: The overwhelming view of the British public
is that this girl should not come near British shores again.
They just don't care about her.
They feel very angry about it,
and therefore the Home Secretary is simply doing
what the electorate wants him to do.
The government found out that I was still alive
and a journalist came and gave me the letter.
Shamima, hello, take a seat.
Until our conversation this morning,
Shamima Begum had assumed she was coming back to Britain.
I've got a letter that was sent to your family yesterday.Hmm.
"Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision
"taken by the Home Secretary to deprive your daughter Shamima Begum
"of her British citizenship."
What do you think? I don't know what to say.
I'm not that shocked, but I am a bit shocked.
It's kind of heartbreaking to read.
WOMAN: A shooting range has put up pictures for target practice
that included pictures of Shamima Begum.
MAN: Yeah, I think it's a splendid idea.
SHAMIMA: They see the crimes that Isis committed
and they feel like I'm responsible for those crimes, because I came.
And they just think I knew about these crimes
and I supported these crimes, but that's not true.
I would never support something like this,
like the things they did.
MAN: Reports have come out of Syria saying
Shamima Begum is in the morality police,
enforcing the dress code, holding a machine gun.
SHAMIMA: It makes no sense how Isis would let a 15-year-old
with no Islamic knowledge work for hisbah
when I don't speak the language.
I didn't really have any credentials or anything,
so I don't know why I'm being accused of this.
I think my government just wants to make me look bad
and they couldn't find anything, so they just made it up.
WOMAN:
KIMBERLY:
2015 was like when the Islamic State destroyed all Kobane,
and they killed in one day 360 civilians in Kobane.
Sometimes there's a frustration of not expecting to be...
like, I think maybe in your eyes,
maybe you think that we deserve to be prisoners.
You know that we'd be killed right outside the gates.
For me, maybe, I think that I shouldn't be here at all.
I should be going home and not even being here.
I mean, I never even had a parking ticket
back in my own country before.
Why am I denied my children? Why am I denied those things
when I never harmed anybody, I never killed anybody,
I never did anything?
Maybe you're not, but maybe your husband killed my cousin,
or killed my mother cousin, or killed my neighbour,
or killed my teacher, or killed my friend.
When I see this, I really feel like, "Should I really do this?
"I shouldn't really do this, I should be back home, you know.
"I have nothing to do here."
I don't know what I'm doing with these women.
They are our enemies.
They come from other countries to our land
and humiliated us.
Now we have to take care of them.
Isis killed my friend while she was at work in the city council.
They broke in and started to kill.
The friends who were in the upper floor
had enough time to escape through the windows,
but she could not jump because she was eight months pregnant.
IN ARABIC:
(BIRDSONG)
SPEAKING ARABIC:
SEVINAZ: We are gonna make this game that is like trust game.
Now we know each other, so we start to trust each other,
so we can continue this journey together.
Come forward. One more.
One more?Yes. To the left.
(SPEAKING ARABIC)
To the left. OK.
A little bit to the right.
OK, come forward.
Come forward. A little bit to the left.
Yes, you arrived.
(LAUGHTER)
(APPLAUSE) No!Oh!
He told me that if you are in this side and you are in that side,
would you trust us?
I said, "Let's try it." OK? OK. Go.
Ready? One step.Yes.
When I met Sevinaz I thought she's a little bit crazy,
but I also respect her and I find her very brave
that she gave us a chance and that she still wants to work with us.
(LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE)
I don't know if I were in her place I would do the same.
(SPEAKING ARABIC)
When we arrived in Isis I had no clue
of there being slaves in the 21st century.
(SCREAMING)
They were being bought and sold,
and I heard very horrible stories
of how they would just pass around other men.
This to me was one of the biggest corruptions in Isis.
Any scholar knows this is not Islamic at all.
MAN: It is here where the Mujahideen stand with might
over the Kafir apostates.
They would not find life to be pleasant
if they could not embitter the lives of the disbelievers,
and they will remain upon this path
as long as their hearts continue to beat
and their eyes continue to blink,
for the dust will not settle until the religion is entirely for Allah.
(JET ENGINE RUMBLING)
(EXPLOSION)WOMAN 1: The so-called Islamic State is crumbling.
MAN 1: These are the final days of the battle for Mosul.
(GUNFIRE)
MAN: Allahu akbar!
A few thousand Isis fighters
pitted against tens of thousands of Iraqi troops,
and the full force of the US coalition,
but it took nine months, because Isis fought to the death.
MAN: Allahu akbar!
(INHALES DEEPLY)
(EXHALES)
WOMAN: I am completely against this individual.
I work in counterterrorism.
She's shown no sympathy, no remorse.
MAN 1: We cannot ignore the threat posed
by those who chose to leave Britain,
to engage with the conflict in Syria or Iraq.
MAN 2: Under international law,
you cannot deprive someone of their citizenship
where it would render them stateless,
so what Mr Javid is saying is, "Well, she's Bangladeshi."
She is not a Bangladeshi citizen,
and if the British wants to make her stateless that's the British.
Nothing to do with us.
What would happen if she turned up at Dhaka Airport?
If she turns up in Dhaka we have simple rule.
There would be capital punishment.
Capital punishment for Shamima Begum
if she turned up in Bangladesh? Yes.
WOMAN: Kadiza Sultana, one of three British schoolgirls
who left London last year to join Isil
has reportedly died in Syria.
She's believed to have been killed by a Russian airstrike in Raqqa.
She was 17 years old, and according to her family,
was planning to flee and return to Britain.
The hardest part, obviously,
was having to go and tell her mother that she had been killed,
because she just did not believe it at first.
She was like, "No," you know, "Prove it," you know,
"We want to see a picture." And just...
We-- And there was no way of us showing a picture
because her body was in pieces.
(SNIFFLES) So... But we couldn't tell her mother that,
because it was just already so hard.
And I think from that point on,
every time someone would die, I just felt numb inside,
because I didn't know how to deal with death.
Like, my initial experience with dealing with someone dying
was just to forget about it, like it didn't happen,
be happy for them,
and that's not a normal way to, like, grieve for someone.
And it was really hard.
And then, Amira, she was also killed in Baghouz.
I just-- I found out a couple of months ago,
and that was also hard on me
because I also had to tell her mother.
And now I feel like I have no friends any more
because they were-- they were everything I had.
I've known them for, like, half my life,
and now, just, I feel lost,
like I don't know who I am any more without them.
HODA: There was a drone flying in front of us for about four hours,
so I was just laying down with my child,
and I was praying all night that it wouldn't hit.
A few seconds later, it hit the building in front of me,
and all the smoke came into our room,
and all the windows crashed in. (ALARMS BLARING)
And I remember looking at my child.
I couldn't see, but when I would blow the dust away,
I could see little pieces of glass on his face, and my face also.
KIMBERLY: I worked in an underground area,
like an intensive care unit.
(SCREAMING)
The bodies just kept coming in.
Some were dead on arrival, some were almost dead.
Um...
they would try to squeegee the blood out,
because it kept rising as people were bleeding out,
um, and it was flowing in from the men's--
You're wading through it, it's-- it's like a river running.
You don't imagine that, and...
But what-- I can't tell you what that smells like
or what that feels like on your skin
when your clothes are so soaked.
(SIREN WAILING)
SHAMIMA: It was really scary,
but then I was really happy when I became pregnant.
I felt like I had a purpose in life again.
Her name was Soraya. My husband was just so happy,
because he always wanted a daughter.
Most people want boys,
but my husband always wanted his own daughter
so he can spoil her and love her so much.
(GUNFIRE)
WOMAN: As Isis faced defeat in Mosul,
attention had already shifted to Raqqa, the so-called Isis capital,
across the border in Syria,
where US backed forces now have the extremists surrounded.
Soon after that, I got pregnant again with my son,
and it was just so hard taking care of a baby and being pregnant.
I just... And during that time, we had to keep moving,
there were so many bombings, and there was a shortage of food
and diapers and milk, and...
Because I didn't-- I didn't have breast milk,
so I had to worry about every next, like, can of milk
I would need to get for my daughter to make sure.
During that time, she also got really sick
and lost a lot of weight, and I was afraid she would die.
And having two kids and then being pregnant for a third time,
it was just all too much for me to handle on my own.
Yeah.
Maybe in November, my-- my first-- my first son died,
and that really hit me hard,
and I couldn't even, like, mourn over him,
because I knew that I still had to take care of my daughter
and the baby that I was pregnant with.
I just had to get up and keep moving.
There was no time to sit and cry about it.
And then the next month, my daughter died, and I just--
When she died, it was so hard,
because I just felt so alone
and I just felt like my entire world was falling apart
right in front of me, and I couldn't do anything.
And I felt like it was my fault for not getting them out sooner,
even though I didn't know why they died.
They just died from-- from some illness that-- I don't even know.
And when she died, at that moment,
I just really-- I just wanted to kill myself.
Like, I felt like I couldn't even get up any more.
I couldn't even get up to run when there were bombings.
The only thing keeping me alive was my baby that I was pregnant with.
I felt like I had to at least do him right by getting out
and trying to give him a normal life.
SEVINAZ: What was the moment that you thought that the daulah
is not the right place to practise your Islam,
not the right place to be Muslim person?
A moment you were like, "This is not the Islam that I came for."
I don't think there was an exact event, really, for me.Yeah.
It's just in general as a whole, I saw, like, it wasn't--Yeah.
It wasn't what they told us it would be. Yeah.Yeah.
For you, Shamima? For me personally,
it was when I realised that I can't leave.
Before, I was in the UK,
and talking to people online who were living in daulah.
They told me, "If you don't like it, they'll just let you leave."
But I came and I heard, if you want to leave,
they'll put you in prison, torture you, they'll think you're a spy,
and then once you get out of prison, you still can't leave.
That's when I realised this is not about putting the ummah together,
it's about trapping people. it's about the numbers,
All daulah cared about was the numbers.Yeah.
Even if you hate-- if you're like talking about daulah so badly,
you're walking on the street saying you hate them,
they're like "We don't care. Stay.
"Just look good for the videos."
(SPEAKING ARABIC)
CHILDREN: Allahu akbar!
Allahu akbar!
HODA: I hated my surroundings and the way of living,
but in pregnancy, I hated it times a million.
His father did die while I was seven months pregnant,
and I was very afraid of my son being born
in this place that was so dangerous for him.
But for a long time, I've been thinking
of trying to find my way out.
Someone gave me a number of a smuggler,
and I was really desperate at the time,
so I texted the smuggler and I said, "How much does it cost?"
He said, "Don't worry, it's a low price.
"We'll talk about it in person."
He said, "Wait for me out of the cafe at a certain time."
And then when I got there, there was a big truck full of women.
I thought "This looks so fishy,
"because why would a big truck full of women
"right in the middle of the street be on their way out?"
And I hopped in the truck, feeling so numb and scared.
I still-- still today don't know why I hopped in that truck,
because I had a feeling of suspicion before,
and I said to him while he's driving,
"Where are you going?" and he said, "Don't worry, you'll see,"
And he's driving straight, and then he takes a circle
and he goes back around.
I'm like, "Why are you going back?"
And he's he lied to me and said,
"Oh I'm going to pick up another sister."
And then, um, he brought us into this building,
which was like an old school,
and there was a bunch of guys huddled in, like, circles
with, uh... guns.
It was, uh, one of the most frightening moments to me in Isis.
And then I managed to slip out somehow with my child.
I put my son's jacket on backwards
and I like fixed my niqab differently, and I walked out.
I see all the women getting in a truck with all those men,
and them driving to, like, an unknown place and I said,
"Thank God I left before I went with those men,
"before they caught me and took me wherever they were going."
And till today, I don't know what happened to those women.
Allahu akbar!
This is such a crazy life.
It's like a movie. It's worse than a movie.
MAN: Allahu akbar!
MAN 1: This is how they celebrate a long, hard-fought victory in Raqqa.
The battle to retake Raqqa lasted five months,
and it came at a high cost. (SIRENS WAILING)
About 80 percent of the city was destroyed,
and human rights groups say about a thousand civilians were killed.
MAN 2: US led forces here say they are advancing today
against the last remnants of Isis militants,
backed up by American air strikes and artillery.
MAN 3: Syrian detention camps...
NAWAL: We had no reality of what was going on outside,
but we knew that Isis was shrinking,
and we said we have, "We are losing time to escape,"
because the smaller they became, the harder they became.
They even start infighting and people inside killing each other.
And we chose to stay in Baghouz because we said,
"This will be maybe the last place that will be safe,"
and it turned out it will be the last,
but of course, it was not safe.
(GUNFIRE) MAN: Allahu akbar!
We stayed in Baghouz and then they started to bomb Baghouz.
WOMAN: Islamic State fought hard for this territory,
and they're fighting hard to keep hold of it,
but they are losing their caliphate street by street.
All that remains is a small pocket.
MAN: This battle could be ended in a matter of hours.
Yet it isn't, because Isis is using human shields.
NAWAL: I think I was eight months pregnant,
and they bombed the water factory,
so we had no more clean drinking water.
Um, there was no more food.
It was so dirty. It was horrible.
(EXPLOSIONS)
And then my son was born.
WOMAN: We're talking about tens of thousands of women and children
who've been kept by the Islamic State,
used as human shields for the last battle.
MAN: Allahu akbar!
HAFIDA: My husband, he stayed, and I went out
and after, he died in Baghouz,
yeah, he stayed till the end.
Yeah. He didn't want to go out, he said, uh,
"I came to help the Muslims and I want to stay till the end,"
and he did it.
Even in the end I heard from so many people who went out
that he saw that Isis was not right,
but there was no solution any more,
and then he just stayed till the end, yeah.
Yeah.
NAWAL: He, uh, kissed the children...
(SNIFFLES)
Because we planned to go outside, out of Isis together.
Then he said to me, "At least now you have a chance
"that the women and the children go,
"because the men, they will never let them go."
And then I say-- I said to him "Do everything that you can, come out,"
and he said, "Yes."
(GUNFIRE AND EXPLOSIONS) MAN: Allahu akbar!
HODA: I couldn't tell which was harder on us,
the bombings or the starvation.
The last day I was in, um, Shafa,
my son ate, um, grass also for dinner that day,
and I said, "This is my last day, I'm not staying here any more,"
and I dropped everything and left.
I walked out. I just walked.
(SIGHS) I walked out despite there being, um, IEDs,
and-- and, uh, not knowing the way out.
I walked out with the Syrians just to find my way out,
just to save my child and me from this starvation,
and this, um... and these bombings and...
and this horrible way of life
that I really regret for the rest of my life
and that I wish I could just erase.
It was known that Syria was a war zone
and I still travel it to it with my own children.
Now, how I did this, I really don't know.
Yeah.Back now...
In the future I'm thinking only in the future,
when my children grow up, what I have to tell them about this,
this part of the life from them, it's really hard.
Yes.
Where are they born, how they grow up,
and then without father, and it's...
Yeah, it's hard. (LAUGHS)
(SNIFFLES) Yes.
MAN: There are still women and children, it's thought, inside
and coalition forces want to give them a chance to escape
if they want to come out.
My husband heard about a group of people that were leaving.
I was just so weak and so tired,
because at that time I was eight months pregnant and I had to walk.
My husband said "We're almost there, we're almost out."
Every step I took, I kept telling myself,
"You just need to get out of this place and it will all be better."
That's the only thing that kept pushing me forward,
my baby and my... my desire to live for him.
WOMAN: Tattered fighters and their families stumbled out,
beaten by Kurdish and local Arab fighters and US air strikes.
It was a humiliating defeat.
There's a propaganda video released by Islamic State's media arm.
Baghdadi, appearing for the first time in five years,
saying that, while the caliphate has fallen,
his followers will continue to wage this war, as he sees it.
Me I was shocked when Baghouz was finished
and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was still alive.
I thought, "How? He could escape?"
And then he was so fat.
So you call yourself the Caliph of the Islamic State
and you go out and let all the women and all the children
and even all the men...
I don't have at all respect for him,
and I call this not Islamic State.
I call this the State of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,
because it was just his own fiction and his own version of a state.
Where is he? It was always said in Syria
that he had escaped over the border to Iraq.
Well, that's possible.
One thing's for sure, he's somewhere where there's plenty to eat.
He's really quite fat.
That means that he abandoned the fighters in Baghouz.
And some of those Islamic State fighters who came out so thin,
so desperate, so wounded,
they felt that the elite of Islamic State had gone.
He must have gone long ago to be looking as healthy as he is now.
WOMAN: Breaking news, Isis leader al-Baghdadi
is believed to have been killed in northwest Syria.
MAN: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead.
(DOG BARKING)
(ALL TALKING)
(CHILDREN SHOUTING)
SEVINAZ: Nawal?
Letter to myself before I came to Syria.
You want to read it? (CHILD CRYING)
(LAUGHING)
It's too difficult to read.
"Dear me, I was-- I was asked to write you a letter
"but the letter is not enough to tell you what you--
"what I've been through.
"You're about to open a door, so easily impulsive
"and thinking you're doing the right thing,
"but this door you're opening,
"you will never be able to close it again, never.
"Your life will change forever.
"You will go thinking that many things will be better for you,
"for your family and your religion,
"not knowing that one day, you are coming back empty-handed
"without what is most serious to you, your family.
(SNIFFLES)
"Your children will not be with you,
"your husband's far away from you,
"and you'll be alone for a period of time.
"You will love friends and lose them.
"You will see injustice you've never seen before.
"You will hear lies you've never heard before
"and you will feel pain you've never felt before.
"Don't open that door, you will forever regret
"and the feeling of guilt will never go."
Six years after the death of my husband,
I don't know what's happened to him.
Isis just told me he got captured from his car,
and he got killed but I never saw a picture,
I never got the body, I never know what happened to him exactly.
She, uh, said, "I have news for you."
She said, "I want to say to you
"that your husband is safe and well by us."
I was very relieved to hear the news that he's OK,
and since then I have some small letters from him,
to know that he's OK,
and, uh, me too, I have written him some letters.
At least he knows that we are OK too. Yeah.
SHAMIMA: I got a Red Cross letter from him last summer,
around the time I turned 20,
and he was telling me that he's in a good place,
that he has good friends, that he's just trying to be patient.
He said happy birthday to me, he told me to stay strong,
he told me to have good company, be around good women
and just to have patience.
They are making this fast, you know, look how big it's now.
But who will come? This is the question, you know.Yes.
I'm afraid of some women, yeah?
Because they killed one Indonesian sister in al-Hawl.
Yeah.She was pregnant.
So bad.
In the camp, you have many different groups
and some women are really against us and against what we are saying,
but I think some women are just orthodox.
(CHILD CRYING)
WOMAN: Oh, my God.
WOMAN: The more radicalised women threaten and terrorise
those less devoted to Isis.
One woman, actually, she saw a tent shot and she put it on fire
so that the people inside wouldn't escape.
She killed the woman and her whole family.
This was really, um, a frightening day,
because, uh, it can happen to all of us.
And you fight against the fire, but with buckets of water,
then after, they take three bodies, small bodies of children,
out of the tent,
and they put them in the blankets.
These women, they all have phones
and they were reading what I'm saying to journalists,
so I just lived in constant fear
every time a journalist would come to speak to me,
and everyone is watching me.
MAN: Here's your opportunity, then, to apologise
to some of the people who were murdered
by the group that you joined.
Some of the kids from Manchester who were killed in the Manchester Arena.
What did you think about that?
I was shocked, but-- (BABY CRYING)
I just couldn't--
I didn't know about the kids actually, but...
I had no choice but to say certain things,
because I lived in fear of these women, like,
coming to my tent one day and killing me and my baby.
On top of that, when these journalists came
I had no choice to speak to them,
and I feel like most journalists
had the intention of making me look bad,
not the intention of getting the true story.
HODA: Life in the camp is-- Some days are good, some days are bad,
you know, some days I see myself laying down just for hours
doing nothing, have a little hope that one day I'm gonna go back.
Some days I get up early morning, make breakfast for my child,
but I feel really sad, I feel...
Him not knowing life outside of this camp.
I think this is all he remembers.
And it's very scary to just have your son be raised
around this environment.
MAN: The situation in the camp, obviously, is extremely difficult.
Food, shelter, medical services, water,
sanitation services have been overwhelmed.
WOMAN 1: These camps are no place for children,
but they're certainly no place for newborns.
WOMAN 2: The baby of a British teenager
who left London to join Islamic State
has died from breathing difficulties in Syria.
WOMAN 3: We've just heard that this child,
a baby boy called Jarrah, died yesterday.
And he was believed to have been buried immediately,
according to Islamic custom.
It was a premature birth, but the baby was all right,
so it must have been the conditions in the camp,
all the problems that she had there that caused him to get pneumonia.
My heart just broke.
And I had to wait all night with my baby, when he was dead,
and I just-- I couldn't-- I couldn't sleep all night,
because I-- I knew that these would be my last moments with him.
And by that point, it was all over the news,
so everyone kept coming to visit me and saying, "What happened?
"It's all over the news that your son died."
And I just, I couldn't handle it,
because, really, he was my last hope,
he was the only thing keeping me alive.
And I just...
I didn't know how.
And that day I just cried for all my children,
I really sat down and I just cried for all of them,
and no one could help me, no one could do anything.
Hmm.
For some of the people we lost.
And you know sadaqah?
It means that a person, he died, normally his deeds also die.
Yeah.But if there is a sadaqah,
every time somebody will eat from this tree,
it will be written on his maisan, or hasana.
Yes.Yeah.Yeah, my mother was saying this too.
For who you are putting it?
I put it for my friend.
I don't know where she is.
I think she also died.
For who you are putting it, Hoda?
My son's father.
For who you are planting it, Shamima?
My three children and my two friends who died.
Yeah. Yeah.
What are the names of your children, if it's OK?
My daughter's name was Soraya,
and my two sons, they're both called Jarrah.
It's kind of hard for me. Yeah.
OK, I hug each one of you, five minutes.
(LAUGHING)
Group hug.Yeah.
You're not bad, you're good.
You're a good mother. You're a good wife.
WOMAN 1: Shamima was a child when she left,
when she was groomed by Isis to go over there.
Do you think that what needs to be done here
is look at the bigger picture of this and think about her,
that she's a victim somehow?
WOMAN 2: I think we should all ask what happens in Britain.
How did we collectively get to a situation
where a British schoolgirl, a child would want to go and join a cult?
And I'd say none of us would condone that decision.
WOMAN 3: She's been radicalised, she can be de-radicalised.
MAN SPEAKING GERMAN:
NAWAL: If the people in the world
don't do a sincere and fair investigation about Isis
and about the reasons for making Hijrah to Isis,
or going for Jihad, then you will always have the same issue.
As long as there is injustice,
as long as there are-- there is torture in prisons,
there's human rights violations in the Middle East,
as long as minorities are being excluded,
there will always be groups fighting
and you will have again camps full with people.
HODA: Problems like these can't be solved
unless we're willing to solve them together.
That people are willing to forgive people,
are willing to overlook
and people are willing to help to prevent these things.
And people like us that have survived this situation
are willing to help,
exposing the corruption that was going on in Isis
and revealing that this was not a Islamic group,
that this was just a cult that wanted to use Islam
to gain more power and more people and more money.
This was complete corruption and ruined many people's lives.
Hafida?Yes! (LAUGHING) How did you know?
I just-- She has so--
She has nice skin. Yes. I love that, yes. OK!
The most thing I learned is,
I thought I-- I feel discriminated back in Germany,
but then I felt more discriminated in Isis,
because they took my freedom and the freedom of my children.
NAWAL: One of the things that I've learned in Syria
is really how strong women can be,
and I learned the other values of Islam, which are very important.
I always took them for granted, and while I was practising
I was more focused on the appearance
than the essence of Islam.
I learned that-- how important a human life is,
and what real freedom is what we had in Holland.
And this is what I realise now, after all this experience. Yeah.
KIMBERLY: I learned how manipulative and evil people can be
and how many lives they can destroy.
You can't go backwards, you can only go forward,
but it doesn't stop me from regretting.
SHAMIMA: When I was a teenager, I was so ungrateful.
I was young and naive, and I felt like I knew everything
and I felt like I was right and everyone else was wrong.
You know, I said I hated my mom but now I realise
I love her and I feel most safe with her,
and most loved with her.
I would say to the people in the UK, give me a second chance,
because I was still young when I left.
I just want them to put aside
everything they've heard about me on the media
and just have an open mind about why I left,
and who I am now as a person.
You know?
Hoda? (LAUGHTER)
Who is this?Amina?Yes! After you found the jeans.
Did you hear anything from Canada?
Not recently.
And the government doesn't want to take us back, so...
What a mess. Yeah. Really.
If one country from Europe or the West will start,
then they will all follow,
but nobody wants to be the first to take the women back, yeah.
It's really frustrating.
She says it's still wet.
Let's talk about something friendly, something nice.
We're going to depress each other. Yeah.
OK, guys, so, Shamima, you, in your perfect world.
What would you do when you arrive in UK?
The first thing that you would do.
Eat a nice big Subway. (LAUGHTER)A nice big Subway.
A foot-long thing with meatballs.
Put me in a room with ten burgers. (LAUGHTER)
Fries. Just leave me-- Just leave me with it!
Melted cheese and chilli on top, everything.
You're from America. In America you have everything.
Can I wipe it off?
You know what's really nice, Dutch? It's poffertjes.
It's like a very mini pancake. Oh, yeah.Yes.Many on one plate.
And then they put this butter on it and it melts.Sugar!
and then a lot of powdered sugar. Powdered sugar, yeah.
I want to shop and eat. Yeah.I want red meat.
I want something that's like home. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I would like to have it with the family.
First I want to go-- We'll go to some restaurants.
Yeah, I miss the food so much, so definitely I want to eat,
But I also want my child to see his family
and meet his uncles and his aunts and his grandparents.Yeah.
After the burgers.Yeah!
Yeah?No.
No?No! (LAUGHTER)
What about you?
Um. After prison, maybe go back to school.
But maybe already in prison, if I can.
Yeah?Hafida and I already decided
that we will live in the same city in Holland.Yeah.
I'm coming.Yeah.Yeah. And me, I'm coming to you guys.
Yeah.You guys come visit us?
Yeah, reunion.Yeah.Yeah?Yeah.
And between the UK and Holland there's only one very small ocean.
Yeah! (LAUGHTER)
We really promise each other, and we will see each other in Rotterdam.
Yeah.Yeah.Yeah. We're all going to come together.
I think it's important.Yeah.
We'll see where we are in a few years.Yeah.
Yeah.You know? Oh, my goodness.
Hamdillah, at least we have each other here.
Yes. Yeah.It's really true.
I don't know what I would do without you guys.Yeah.
I don't want to think about it.
Now is the time to begin the real Jihad,
the Jihad that we are fighting within ourselves, our struggles.
Everyone has their own battles, and if we begin to pay attention
and better our own selves and fight our own battles,
then that would make this a world liveable for you and me.
Thank you.SEFINAZ: Thank you, thank you for sharing this.
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