1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:25,092 --> 00:00:29,628 - My name is Paul Fronczak. But who am I really? 4 00:00:29,763 --> 00:00:32,631 [desolate music] 5 00:00:32,766 --> 00:00:39,705 ¶ ¶ 6 00:00:41,441 --> 00:00:43,842 I thought I knew who I was. 7 00:00:43,978 --> 00:00:50,916 ¶ ¶ 8 00:00:55,656 --> 00:00:57,389 But what happens if you discover 9 00:00:57,524 --> 00:00:59,924 that everything you thought you knew about yourself 10 00:00:59,926 --> 00:01:01,660 was a lie? 11 00:01:01,795 --> 00:01:04,663 [suspenseful music] 12 00:01:04,798 --> 00:01:11,737 ¶ ¶ 13 00:01:14,741 --> 00:01:16,608 [siren wails] What really happened to me? 14 00:01:16,743 --> 00:01:23,615 ¶ ¶ 15 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:25,484 That's what I needed to find out. 16 00:01:25,619 --> 00:01:32,558 ¶ ¶ 17 00:01:51,111 --> 00:01:54,646 [investigative pizzicato music] 18 00:01:54,781 --> 00:01:56,515 My mom was upstairs. My dad was at work. 19 00:01:56,650 --> 00:02:00,052 ¶ ¶ 20 00:02:00,186 --> 00:02:02,987 I was ten years old, and I was snooping around the house, 21 00:02:02,989 --> 00:02:03,922 looking for Christmas presents. 22 00:02:04,058 --> 00:02:05,257 ¶ ¶ 23 00:02:05,392 --> 00:02:06,658 And I thought, 24 00:02:06,793 --> 00:02:08,860 "This is a great time to go in the crawlspace," 25 00:02:08,995 --> 00:02:11,196 'cause it's--I know it's a great place to hide presents. 26 00:02:11,331 --> 00:02:14,933 ¶ ¶ 27 00:02:15,069 --> 00:02:16,869 And I saw a bunch of boxes. 28 00:02:17,003 --> 00:02:18,670 I thought, "This is it. The big score," right? 29 00:02:18,805 --> 00:02:24,076 ¶ ¶ 30 00:02:24,210 --> 00:02:25,543 It's just, like, papers and things. 31 00:02:25,545 --> 00:02:29,681 It's not a present. 32 00:02:29,816 --> 00:02:31,950 Open another one. A bunch of cards, 33 00:02:32,086 --> 00:02:33,752 more letters, and newspaper clippings. 34 00:02:33,887 --> 00:02:36,155 I'm like, "This isn't Christmas." 35 00:02:37,958 --> 00:02:40,358 [disquieting music] 36 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,360 ¶ ¶ 37 00:02:42,362 --> 00:02:43,762 So I looked at one, 38 00:02:43,897 --> 00:02:47,365 and it said "500 search for kidnapped baby." 39 00:02:47,501 --> 00:02:50,969 Another one: "Fronczak baby still missing." 40 00:02:51,105 --> 00:02:53,237 So I started reading it, 41 00:02:53,239 --> 00:02:54,907 and it said, "Paul Joseph Fronczak, 42 00:02:55,041 --> 00:02:57,309 kidnapped from Michael Reese Hospital. 43 00:02:57,978 --> 00:03:00,044 And then I saw a picture of my mom and dad, 44 00:03:00,046 --> 00:03:01,513 and they looked really, really sad 45 00:03:01,648 --> 00:03:05,984 and heartbroken and distraught. 46 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,720 I thought, "Wait. That's me." 47 00:03:08,855 --> 00:03:10,522 What happened? 48 00:03:13,927 --> 00:03:16,728 [dramatic music] 49 00:03:16,863 --> 00:03:23,835 ¶ ¶ 50 00:03:59,906 --> 00:04:01,639 - That year, I was a student nurse 51 00:04:01,641 --> 00:04:03,908 at Michael Reese Hospital in Chicago. 52 00:04:04,044 --> 00:04:05,977 ¶ ¶ 53 00:04:06,112 --> 00:04:09,848 I was working on the maternity ward. 54 00:04:09,983 --> 00:04:11,850 We were downtown Chicago, and young, 55 00:04:11,985 --> 00:04:15,187 and I came from a small town, so it was fun. 56 00:04:15,322 --> 00:04:17,522 ¶ ¶ 57 00:04:19,993 --> 00:04:22,594 Michael Reese is on the South Side of Chicago, 58 00:04:22,729 --> 00:04:25,730 and it was a pretty large hospital. 59 00:04:25,866 --> 00:04:29,134 [baby squalling] 60 00:04:32,672 --> 00:04:34,539 Back when I was in nurse's training, 61 00:04:34,674 --> 00:04:36,608 the mother gave birth in the delivery room, 62 00:04:36,743 --> 00:04:38,076 and then she went to her room, 63 00:04:38,078 --> 00:04:40,145 and the baby went immediately to the nursery. 64 00:04:44,218 --> 00:04:47,552 There was always babies coming and going. 65 00:04:47,687 --> 00:04:50,889 If the baby was okay, the next feeding time, 66 00:04:51,024 --> 00:04:52,891 the nursery room nurses 67 00:04:53,026 --> 00:04:54,860 brought the babies out to the mother. 68 00:04:55,829 --> 00:04:57,028 And then, as students, 69 00:04:57,163 --> 00:04:58,963 we were there with the mother and the baby. 70 00:04:58,965 --> 00:05:01,499 [melancholy music] 71 00:05:01,635 --> 00:05:04,903 Dora was just like any mother: very excited. 72 00:05:05,038 --> 00:05:06,370 Her baby wasn't with her yet 73 00:05:06,372 --> 00:05:08,706 when I first introduced myself to her, 74 00:05:08,708 --> 00:05:11,309 and she had already lost a baby, 75 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:13,578 and so this baby was alive and well, 76 00:05:13,713 --> 00:05:17,582 and so she was kind of, like-- had taken a deep breath. 77 00:05:17,851 --> 00:05:19,651 "We made it, and everything is great." 78 00:05:19,786 --> 00:05:21,986 And so she was very, very excited. 79 00:05:22,122 --> 00:05:29,027 ¶ ¶ 80 00:05:40,206 --> 00:05:43,007 The nursery room nurse brought the baby in. 81 00:05:43,143 --> 00:05:45,743 ¶ ¶ 82 00:05:45,745 --> 00:05:50,882 I saw him just like this. He had a lot of hair. 83 00:05:51,017 --> 00:05:53,818 And he smiled. Probably was gas. 84 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:58,090 But he did smile and look at her. 85 00:05:58,224 --> 00:06:01,693 And she was joyous. 86 00:06:01,828 --> 00:06:04,629 And, you know, I love babies, so I was too. 87 00:06:04,764 --> 00:06:09,033 I was thrilled to be with her while she was seeing her baby 88 00:06:09,035 --> 00:06:10,702 for the first time after delivery. 89 00:06:10,837 --> 00:06:14,840 It was--it was nice. 90 00:06:18,912 --> 00:06:21,113 He was a perfect baby. 91 00:06:21,247 --> 00:06:26,218 ¶ ¶ 92 00:06:34,995 --> 00:06:37,329 I had another patient on that unit, 93 00:06:37,463 --> 00:06:40,732 so I was leaving the room to go to see another patient. 94 00:06:40,867 --> 00:06:46,037 And as I was leaving, this woman walked in. 95 00:06:48,808 --> 00:06:50,342 She was dressed in white. 96 00:06:50,477 --> 00:06:52,344 I just thought, "Oh, she's a nurse." 97 00:06:59,553 --> 00:07:01,686 She said to Mrs. Fronczak, 98 00:07:01,821 --> 00:07:03,789 "The doctor's here to see your baby." 99 00:07:05,158 --> 00:07:07,625 And she handed the baby over to her. 100 00:07:07,627 --> 00:07:10,628 [uneasy music] 101 00:07:10,630 --> 00:07:17,602 ¶ ¶ 102 00:07:30,384 --> 00:07:32,984 I noticed that all the babies were going in, 103 00:07:33,119 --> 00:07:34,452 that all the nursery room nurses 104 00:07:34,588 --> 00:07:36,588 were coming to take the babies in. 105 00:07:36,723 --> 00:07:39,857 - Mary Trenchard to the nurses' office. 106 00:07:39,859 --> 00:07:42,660 Could Mary Trenchard go to the nurses' office? 107 00:07:42,796 --> 00:07:44,929 - The head nurse came up to me and said, 108 00:07:44,931 --> 00:07:46,931 "Do you have the Fronczak baby?" 109 00:07:47,067 --> 00:07:48,800 And I said no. 110 00:07:48,935 --> 00:07:52,670 And then she said to me, "Well, then he's gone." 111 00:07:52,806 --> 00:07:58,276 And I'm like, "Gone where?" And she said, "Taken." 112 00:07:58,278 --> 00:08:00,011 And then she said, "I want you to go back 113 00:08:00,146 --> 00:08:03,347 "into Mrs. Fronczak's room and stay with her all day. 114 00:08:03,349 --> 00:08:07,352 Do not leave her side until the doctor comes to see her." 115 00:08:10,023 --> 00:08:13,357 I just tried to be talking joyfully with her 116 00:08:13,359 --> 00:08:14,892 about the baby 117 00:08:14,894 --> 00:08:19,363 and what was gonna happen and--like nothing happened. 118 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:22,300 [sirens wailing] 119 00:08:24,904 --> 00:08:27,772 - The hospital didn't call the police 120 00:08:27,774 --> 00:08:30,174 for probably an hour. 121 00:08:30,310 --> 00:08:33,177 Well, they couldn't believe it themselves. 122 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:36,380 By the time they--we were notified, 123 00:08:36,382 --> 00:08:38,716 she had a pretty good leadoff. 124 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:42,053 ¶ ¶ 125 00:08:42,188 --> 00:08:46,190 At the time, my wife was having twins, 126 00:08:46,192 --> 00:08:49,995 so I felt a little more involved in the case. 127 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:52,664 One baby died. 128 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:58,336 And I know it was hard for my wife, 129 00:08:58,338 --> 00:09:03,808 but she knows that she came home with one baby. 130 00:09:05,145 --> 00:09:12,050 ¶ ¶ 131 00:09:15,355 --> 00:09:18,890 - Most of the staff knew what was going on. 132 00:09:19,025 --> 00:09:20,358 But we didn't tell the other mothers 133 00:09:20,494 --> 00:09:21,425 and everything. 134 00:09:21,561 --> 00:09:22,494 We all had to act normal. 135 00:09:22,629 --> 00:09:29,967 ¶ ¶ 136 00:09:30,770 --> 00:09:33,771 So I spent the whole day with Dora. 137 00:09:33,773 --> 00:09:35,039 ¶ ¶ 138 00:09:35,175 --> 00:09:37,709 I went to a class on bathing babies 139 00:09:37,844 --> 00:09:40,712 that the other student nurses gave with her. 140 00:09:40,847 --> 00:09:42,914 I went to a feeding class with her. 141 00:09:43,049 --> 00:09:47,051 And the whole time, I knew the baby was gone, 142 00:09:47,187 --> 00:09:49,921 and I couldn't say anything to her. 143 00:09:50,056 --> 00:09:54,859 It was long and strenuous, because she was very happy, 144 00:09:54,861 --> 00:09:58,062 enjoying the classes and enjoying the day 145 00:09:58,198 --> 00:10:00,932 and waiting for the baby to come back to her again. 146 00:10:01,067 --> 00:10:05,937 And he wasn't ever gonna come back to her. 147 00:10:06,072 --> 00:10:12,944 ¶ ¶ 148 00:10:13,079 --> 00:10:15,613 They searched the whole hospital, 149 00:10:15,615 --> 00:10:21,285 thinking that maybe the woman was still in the hospital. 150 00:10:21,287 --> 00:10:23,687 And I think that's why it took so long 151 00:10:23,689 --> 00:10:25,223 before they came and told her. 152 00:10:25,358 --> 00:10:28,893 ¶ ¶ 153 00:10:28,895 --> 00:10:30,895 Her doctor came in. 154 00:10:33,233 --> 00:10:38,570 And he said, "Mrs. Fronczak, your baby has been taken." 155 00:10:38,705 --> 00:10:40,304 And with those words, 156 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,642 the whole room filled with policemen and FBI. 157 00:10:44,778 --> 00:10:47,045 One of the questions was, "When did she come in?" 158 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:50,047 And she said, "She was coming in as Mary was leaving." 159 00:10:50,049 --> 00:10:52,784 ¶ ¶ 160 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:57,721 I can see her, today, as plain as I saw her back then, 161 00:10:57,723 --> 00:11:01,058 but when you're with an artist and they said, 162 00:11:01,060 --> 00:11:06,464 "What does her nose look like," I was like, "It was a nose." 163 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,401 She was about my height. She was white. 164 00:11:09,535 --> 00:11:13,004 She had brown hair that was shoulder length. 165 00:11:13,139 --> 00:11:17,208 She was thin. She had on a white uniform. 166 00:11:17,343 --> 00:11:23,014 - This motivated thousands of calls. 167 00:11:23,149 --> 00:11:26,084 [dramatic music] 168 00:11:26,219 --> 00:11:33,124 ¶ ¶ 169 00:11:34,494 --> 00:11:36,494 - Michael Reese is on the lake. 170 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:38,095 There's an L there 171 00:11:38,097 --> 00:11:40,965 and a train station and an airport. 172 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:43,167 She had every means of transportation 173 00:11:43,303 --> 00:11:44,636 to leave Chicago 174 00:11:44,771 --> 00:11:47,439 within five minutes of taking the baby. 175 00:11:47,573 --> 00:11:52,510 ¶ ¶ 176 00:11:52,646 --> 00:11:56,981 - This was premeditated on the part of this woman. 177 00:11:57,116 --> 00:12:00,184 In an interview with the cab driver, 178 00:12:00,186 --> 00:12:05,990 he said she wanted to go to an area of 35th and Halsted, 179 00:12:06,125 --> 00:12:09,260 which was only 15 minutes from the hospital. 180 00:12:09,395 --> 00:12:12,130 ¶ ¶ 181 00:12:12,265 --> 00:12:16,668 When she got out of that cab, she had a coat on. 182 00:12:16,802 --> 00:12:21,605 She got into another car, and never seen again. 183 00:12:21,607 --> 00:12:22,941 ¶ ¶ 184 00:12:28,081 --> 00:12:30,882 [shutters snapping] 185 00:12:33,353 --> 00:12:36,087 - Mrs. Fronczak, as a woman and a mother, 186 00:12:36,222 --> 00:12:38,890 do you--would you have any reason to think 187 00:12:39,025 --> 00:12:40,725 why she might have taken the baby? 188 00:12:43,029 --> 00:12:44,562 - The only thing I can think of--she 189 00:12:44,564 --> 00:12:46,364 must have been desperate for a baby that she would come 190 00:12:46,499 --> 00:12:50,034 and take someone else's baby away from them, 191 00:12:50,169 --> 00:12:53,772 when she couldn't have her own or lost hers or something. 192 00:12:57,043 --> 00:12:58,442 But even losing a child, 193 00:12:58,444 --> 00:13:00,244 I don't think you're that desperate to go 194 00:13:00,380 --> 00:13:01,513 and take another woman's baby. 195 00:13:05,851 --> 00:13:08,753 I don't know what more to say. 196 00:13:10,256 --> 00:13:14,058 [desolate music] 197 00:13:14,193 --> 00:13:17,328 - I took care of her for several days. 198 00:13:17,463 --> 00:13:19,864 And she cried a lot. 199 00:13:19,999 --> 00:13:23,935 ¶ ¶ 200 00:13:24,070 --> 00:13:29,006 Her husband was there, and it was like-- 201 00:13:29,008 --> 00:13:31,609 well, it was like a funeral. It was a funeral. 202 00:13:31,611 --> 00:13:37,148 There was crying. And she was beside herself. 203 00:13:39,218 --> 00:13:41,753 She did a lot of praying. She was very Catholic. 204 00:13:41,888 --> 00:13:44,856 And he did too. They prayed together a lot. 205 00:13:50,496 --> 00:13:54,632 Many times said, "Why has God done this to me again?" 206 00:13:54,768 --> 00:13:57,235 "I don't know." 207 00:13:57,370 --> 00:14:01,705 ¶ ¶ 208 00:14:01,707 --> 00:14:04,575 - Do you--do you have any message for the kidnapper? 209 00:14:05,311 --> 00:14:09,380 - I just want to plead with her to return the baby. 210 00:14:09,515 --> 00:14:12,049 - What kind of shape is your wife in? 211 00:14:12,051 --> 00:14:14,518 - She feels pretty bad. 212 00:14:14,654 --> 00:14:16,454 - Did you spend the night with her in the hospital? 213 00:14:16,589 --> 00:14:17,589 - Yes. 214 00:14:17,723 --> 00:14:20,324 - Is she extremely nervous at this point? 215 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:22,160 - Yes. 216 00:14:25,131 --> 00:14:29,467 - My darling dad-- he was a Chicago policeman, 217 00:14:29,602 --> 00:14:31,869 and this case was assigned to him 218 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:34,538 from the minute that Michael Reese Hospital 219 00:14:34,674 --> 00:14:37,609 called the police to say that there was a missing baby. 220 00:14:39,545 --> 00:14:42,946 I didn't hear anything until very early the next morning, 221 00:14:42,948 --> 00:14:46,417 when my dad, who had worked all night, came home, 222 00:14:46,552 --> 00:14:49,287 and I heard him talking to my mom, 223 00:14:49,422 --> 00:14:50,822 and she said, "Oh, Jack, 224 00:14:50,956 --> 00:14:54,091 what is going on that you're so late?" 225 00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:58,162 And he had to swallow, you know, 226 00:14:58,297 --> 00:15:02,300 to tell her this horrible thing that had happened, 227 00:15:02,435 --> 00:15:04,435 and my mother was very moved by it. 228 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:06,970 You can imagine, as any mother would be-- 229 00:15:06,972 --> 00:15:08,305 the heartbreak of thinking 230 00:15:08,307 --> 00:15:10,441 of someone having their baby taken from them. 231 00:15:10,576 --> 00:15:13,444 ¶ ¶ 232 00:15:13,579 --> 00:15:17,114 My dad worked many long, long hours, 233 00:15:17,116 --> 00:15:20,184 as all the policemen assigned to the case did. 234 00:15:20,186 --> 00:15:24,321 ¶ ¶ 235 00:15:24,323 --> 00:15:26,323 It was big news in the city of Chicago. 236 00:15:26,325 --> 00:15:27,992 ¶ ¶ 237 00:15:28,127 --> 00:15:30,794 And the newspapers were full of it. 238 00:15:30,796 --> 00:15:34,866 - "The Daily News" was the newspaper at the time. 239 00:15:35,001 --> 00:15:37,935 They offered a $10,000 reward. 240 00:15:38,071 --> 00:15:41,072 And that didn't bring any results. 241 00:15:41,207 --> 00:15:45,342 The reward didn't interest anybody, didn't help. 242 00:15:45,344 --> 00:15:47,879 ¶ ¶ 243 00:15:48,013 --> 00:15:51,415 - Oh, I think you couldn't not be moved, 244 00:15:51,551 --> 00:15:52,884 just seeing their pictures, 245 00:15:53,018 --> 00:15:56,554 and how dear Mr. Fronczak was to his wife, 246 00:15:56,689 --> 00:16:00,024 and his arm always around her and always encouraging her. 247 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,160 It was heartbroken to see her facial expressions. 248 00:16:03,162 --> 00:16:05,162 ¶ ¶ 249 00:16:05,164 --> 00:16:08,365 I don't know that I ever saw a smile on her face 250 00:16:08,367 --> 00:16:11,168 in any of the many pictures I saw in the newspapers. 251 00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:13,971 ¶ ¶ 252 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:16,774 - Do you have any further clues? 253 00:16:16,910 --> 00:16:18,109 - No, sir, not at this time. 254 00:16:18,244 --> 00:16:19,977 - Do you have any suspects here in Chicago 255 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,512 that you're gonna question? 256 00:16:21,647 --> 00:16:24,382 - We are questioning suspects throughout the day. 257 00:16:24,517 --> 00:16:26,049 - Do you have some right now? 258 00:16:26,051 --> 00:16:27,318 Some others, apart from those-- 259 00:16:27,453 --> 00:16:29,320 - We have other names and so forth to check. 260 00:16:29,455 --> 00:16:30,654 - How many do you have? 261 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:33,857 - Numerous names. - Thank you very much. 262 00:16:33,859 --> 00:16:35,626 - Thank you, Lieutenant. - Surely. 263 00:16:41,534 --> 00:16:44,201 ¶ ¶ 264 00:16:44,203 --> 00:16:46,403 - Do you want to make one more appeal? 265 00:16:46,405 --> 00:16:49,273 - Yes. We're again appealing 266 00:16:49,408 --> 00:16:51,609 for the safe return of our son. 267 00:16:51,744 --> 00:16:55,279 And we're asking any person who might have any information 268 00:16:55,281 --> 00:16:57,348 or think that any-- 269 00:16:57,483 --> 00:17:00,684 any information they could have might be helpful-- 270 00:17:00,686 --> 00:17:03,220 we're asking them to call the FBI. 271 00:17:03,222 --> 00:17:07,759 ¶ ¶ 272 00:17:07,893 --> 00:17:10,628 Please call the FBI if you have any information 273 00:17:10,763 --> 00:17:13,230 that may be helpful in finding our baby. 274 00:17:13,366 --> 00:17:20,338 ¶ ¶ 275 00:17:22,308 --> 00:17:24,575 - Mrs. Fronczak, are you still convinced now 276 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:28,846 that someday you will see little Paul Joseph again? 277 00:17:28,982 --> 00:17:31,115 - Yes, I'm still convinced. 278 00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:38,189 ¶ ¶ 279 00:18:03,349 --> 00:18:06,350 [tranquil music] 280 00:18:06,352 --> 00:18:13,291 ¶ ¶ 281 00:18:32,845 --> 00:18:36,047 - July 2, 1965. 282 00:18:36,182 --> 00:18:38,115 Times were much safer back then. 283 00:18:38,851 --> 00:18:43,587 Or at least, the perception was, things were safer. 284 00:18:43,723 --> 00:18:45,188 The baby was left on the sidewalk 285 00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:47,524 for a period of time. Nobody thought it unusual. 286 00:18:47,526 --> 00:18:51,262 They assumed the parent was inside the store. 287 00:18:51,397 --> 00:18:53,196 Until a period of time went by that they said, 288 00:18:53,198 --> 00:18:54,465 "Hey, this is a little unusual. 289 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,133 The baby's been here for a long time." 290 00:18:56,269 --> 00:18:58,135 Somebody notified the police. 291 00:18:58,137 --> 00:18:59,937 My grandfather, Joseph Farrell-- 292 00:19:00,073 --> 00:19:03,807 he was the lead investigator of this found baby 293 00:19:03,943 --> 00:19:05,543 that we had back in Newark. 294 00:19:05,678 --> 00:19:06,677 [siren wails] 295 00:19:10,215 --> 00:19:13,417 The baby was in a stroller. Well-dressed. 296 00:19:13,419 --> 00:19:17,554 The stroller was somewhat fancy for the time. 297 00:19:17,556 --> 00:19:23,627 ¶ ¶ 298 00:19:23,763 --> 00:19:26,230 The baby was subsequently transported to the hospital, 299 00:19:26,365 --> 00:19:29,967 where the baby was examined. 300 00:19:29,969 --> 00:19:33,104 Found to have a black eye, but in good health. 301 00:19:33,238 --> 00:19:34,906 And then, of course, the investigation began 302 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,240 by the police side. 303 00:19:37,242 --> 00:19:38,709 I think it was probably a case 304 00:19:38,844 --> 00:19:43,114 that they didn't expect would last through the day. 305 00:19:43,248 --> 00:19:44,982 "Oh, yeah, somebody left their baby here. 306 00:19:44,984 --> 00:19:47,384 "I'm sure Mom's gonna come looking for him 307 00:19:47,386 --> 00:19:50,854 pretty quickly." But that never did happen. 308 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:56,727 ¶ ¶ 309 00:19:56,862 --> 00:19:59,730 - My mom and dad had an adoption home 310 00:19:59,865 --> 00:20:01,933 in the state of New Jersey. 311 00:20:02,067 --> 00:20:08,606 My mother and father were absolutely unbelievable people. 312 00:20:08,741 --> 00:20:12,009 You could feel the love and the warmth in the house. 313 00:20:12,145 --> 00:20:16,279 We had a lot to do. We had over 100 diapers a day. 314 00:20:16,281 --> 00:20:18,015 It was--it was a very busy house, 315 00:20:18,151 --> 00:20:20,952 but it was a joyous house. 316 00:20:21,086 --> 00:20:23,754 [warm music] 317 00:20:23,889 --> 00:20:25,288 When they called, 318 00:20:25,290 --> 00:20:27,891 they just said that a baby had been found. 319 00:20:28,027 --> 00:20:31,495 ¶ ¶ 320 00:20:31,630 --> 00:20:36,634 I was probably about 17 or 18 when he came to the house. 321 00:20:36,769 --> 00:20:38,035 ¶ ¶ 322 00:20:38,171 --> 00:20:42,906 My future husband-- he was his barber. 323 00:20:42,908 --> 00:20:46,377 He did his hair. He was very busy. 324 00:20:46,512 --> 00:20:51,248 He was a busy little boy. He loved music. 325 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:54,451 ¶ ¶ 326 00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:55,987 He was an outside child. 327 00:20:56,121 --> 00:20:58,655 You know, he'd rather be outside than inside. 328 00:20:58,657 --> 00:21:00,524 And the other kids would follow him. 329 00:21:00,526 --> 00:21:04,061 He was kind of like the leader. 330 00:21:04,063 --> 00:21:07,264 He brought a lot of love into our house. 331 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:08,599 We adored him. 332 00:21:08,734 --> 00:21:14,605 ¶ ¶ 333 00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:18,542 Well, the fact that he was a foundling--he had no name. 334 00:21:18,677 --> 00:21:20,544 So the state said, you know, 335 00:21:20,679 --> 00:21:22,613 "Why don't you pick a name for him?" 336 00:21:22,748 --> 00:21:27,084 And my mom said Scott. She said, "It's strong." 337 00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:29,753 And she said, "He is a strong baby." 338 00:21:29,755 --> 00:21:33,824 And she said, "He's a fighter." 339 00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:36,827 [melancholy music] 340 00:21:36,962 --> 00:21:38,429 - They thought it would be a pretty simple resolution 341 00:21:38,564 --> 00:21:39,696 to the case. 342 00:21:39,698 --> 00:21:41,098 You know, somebody's missing a baby, 343 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:43,100 they'd be looking for it. 344 00:21:43,102 --> 00:21:45,702 But unfortunately, that's not what occurred, 345 00:21:45,704 --> 00:21:48,572 and they actually had to put a lot of man-hours 346 00:21:48,707 --> 00:21:52,709 into trying to find the parents of this child. 347 00:21:52,711 --> 00:21:56,980 ¶ ¶ 348 00:21:56,982 --> 00:21:59,250 They utilized the Newark newspapers at the time 349 00:21:59,384 --> 00:22:01,518 as well as the New York City newspapers, 350 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,720 to get the word out: a description of the baby, 351 00:22:03,722 --> 00:22:06,123 the circumstances on which it was found. 352 00:22:06,125 --> 00:22:09,260 And they sat back, and I think they waited for the tips 353 00:22:09,395 --> 00:22:11,395 to come flowing in, and they never did. 354 00:22:11,530 --> 00:22:13,664 ¶ ¶ 355 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:17,134 As time went on, there was this other high-profile case 356 00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:19,402 halfway across the country, out in Chicago, 357 00:22:19,404 --> 00:22:22,073 where a baby was missing. 358 00:22:22,207 --> 00:22:23,741 Apparently that was a case 359 00:22:23,876 --> 00:22:27,744 that didn't have a lot of leads either. 360 00:22:27,746 --> 00:22:29,080 So the detectives here got in touch 361 00:22:29,214 --> 00:22:31,014 with the detectives out in Chicago, 362 00:22:31,150 --> 00:22:32,283 kind of compared notes a little bit, 363 00:22:32,418 --> 00:22:33,684 put their heads together, 364 00:22:33,819 --> 00:22:36,287 and I think the thought process started to emerge 365 00:22:36,422 --> 00:22:39,423 that maybe we're talking about the same baby. 366 00:22:39,558 --> 00:22:44,227 ¶ ¶ 367 00:22:44,229 --> 00:22:46,163 - The news came from the police department 368 00:22:46,299 --> 00:22:48,165 in Newark, New Jersey, 369 00:22:48,301 --> 00:22:49,700 that a baby had been found, 370 00:22:49,835 --> 00:22:52,903 and they wondered if it could be the Fronczak child. 371 00:22:53,038 --> 00:22:54,505 So I remember my father saying 372 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,109 this would really be wonderful for Dora and Chester, 373 00:22:58,243 --> 00:23:00,577 who he thought were such fine people. 374 00:23:00,713 --> 00:23:04,381 ¶ ¶ 375 00:23:04,517 --> 00:23:08,852 - The FBI called and said that they were very interested 376 00:23:08,988 --> 00:23:11,788 in--to see whether he was the Fronczak baby. 377 00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:15,526 ¶ ¶ 378 00:23:15,661 --> 00:23:18,996 So that's when it was time to contact the Fronczaks 379 00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:21,598 and tell them. 380 00:23:21,734 --> 00:23:24,802 At the time, they didn't let us see the parents 381 00:23:24,937 --> 00:23:26,537 or the parents see us. 382 00:23:26,672 --> 00:23:28,605 We went into a separate room. 383 00:23:28,741 --> 00:23:31,208 And the state worker took him down, 384 00:23:31,344 --> 00:23:36,347 and they opened the door, and the mom said, 385 00:23:36,482 --> 00:23:38,949 "Oh, my God, that's my baby." 386 00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:45,923 ¶ ¶ 387 00:23:48,293 --> 00:23:51,829 It was completely silenced, the whole room, 388 00:23:51,964 --> 00:23:55,432 and then, all of a sudden, you heard tears. 389 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,169 "Oh, my God, he found his old mom. 390 00:23:58,303 --> 00:24:00,671 He found his father." 391 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,641 ¶ ¶ 392 00:24:04,643 --> 00:24:08,379 We were so excited because they had their baby. 393 00:24:08,513 --> 00:24:10,181 The lady that was on television 394 00:24:10,315 --> 00:24:14,651 had a broken heart. 395 00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:18,922 And her heart was repaired when she saw him. 396 00:24:19,058 --> 00:24:23,594 His whole life was gonna be just with the Fronczaks. 397 00:24:23,729 --> 00:24:25,662 [children clamoring] 398 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,665 [tender music] 399 00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:35,739 ¶ ¶ 400 00:25:42,808 --> 00:25:46,277 - "What?" 401 00:25:46,411 --> 00:25:47,811 So I got all excited. 402 00:25:47,813 --> 00:25:51,148 I said, "Mom, what is this? This is about me, right? 403 00:25:51,283 --> 00:25:53,884 What--what is this?" And she was doing something. 404 00:25:54,019 --> 00:25:56,953 She looked over at me, and her face just got red. 405 00:25:56,955 --> 00:25:58,489 And she was just like, 406 00:25:58,623 --> 00:26:00,891 "Why are you snooping around the house? 407 00:26:01,026 --> 00:26:03,626 That isn't your stuff." 408 00:26:03,628 --> 00:26:06,029 And she looked at it, and she said, 409 00:26:06,165 --> 00:26:07,764 "You were kidnapped. We found you. 410 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:08,965 "We love you. 411 00:26:08,967 --> 00:26:11,502 We'll never talk about that again." 412 00:26:11,636 --> 00:26:13,971 And I was like, "Wow." I was, like, devastated. 413 00:26:14,106 --> 00:26:17,107 But what my parents said, that's--that was it. 414 00:26:17,242 --> 00:26:18,642 Right? There was no negotiating. 415 00:26:18,777 --> 00:26:21,778 So I just went back downstairs, put it away, 416 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:23,981 closed everything up, and walked out. 417 00:26:24,116 --> 00:26:27,584 I closed the crawlspace door, but I never forgot that. 418 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:34,525 ¶ ¶ 419 00:26:37,863 --> 00:26:42,199 I've dated a lot of girls up and down these blocks. 420 00:26:42,334 --> 00:26:45,336 ¶ ¶ 421 00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:47,670 A lot of memories here. 422 00:26:47,672 --> 00:26:50,541 ¶ ¶ 423 00:26:50,675 --> 00:26:54,077 I was an altar boy. Used to walk to school. 424 00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:56,413 My grammar school was, like, two miles away. 425 00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:58,815 My friend Jim-- my best friend Jim-- 426 00:26:58,817 --> 00:27:00,551 lives about a mile down there. 427 00:27:00,685 --> 00:27:04,621 Used to run to his house every day, and run back down. 428 00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:06,823 We were always running. Like Forrest Gump. 429 00:27:06,825 --> 00:27:08,826 We were just always running somewhere. 430 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:18,701 So, my mom and dad had a younger son, David. 431 00:27:18,703 --> 00:27:21,572 And he was about two years younger than I was. 432 00:27:21,706 --> 00:27:24,441 I have memories of us on Christmas morning. 433 00:27:24,577 --> 00:27:27,310 He would wake me up and say Santa was here. 434 00:27:27,446 --> 00:27:30,581 ¶ ¶ 435 00:27:30,715 --> 00:27:34,651 I loved my family, and I loved my family upbringing. 436 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:37,320 It was--it was, like, a Rockwell painting. 437 00:27:37,456 --> 00:27:44,361 ¶ ¶ 438 00:27:52,537 --> 00:27:56,072 I grew up in a beautiful area. Beautiful home. 439 00:27:56,074 --> 00:27:57,674 My dad was a blue-collar worker. 440 00:27:57,676 --> 00:27:59,876 He worked in a factory, had a good job, 441 00:28:00,012 --> 00:28:01,612 always had a new car. 442 00:28:01,747 --> 00:28:05,348 Had family vacations every year. 443 00:28:05,484 --> 00:28:07,217 It was a perfect family. 444 00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:17,227 [indistinct voices conversing] 445 00:28:17,362 --> 00:28:20,363 - A Rockwell painting? Sure. 446 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:24,901 But underneath, it was kind of different 447 00:28:24,903 --> 00:28:28,439 because my parents were completely overwhelmed. 448 00:28:28,573 --> 00:28:30,507 You know, they were traumatized. 449 00:28:30,643 --> 00:28:32,976 They had a stillborn boy, and then a year later, 450 00:28:33,111 --> 00:28:35,779 their baby was taken a day after he was born. 451 00:28:35,914 --> 00:28:38,715 And then a couple years go by, 452 00:28:38,851 --> 00:28:42,519 and when the FBI found Paul and identified 453 00:28:42,521 --> 00:28:45,656 that he might be Paul, 454 00:28:45,791 --> 00:28:49,926 you know--they brought him home that summer, 455 00:28:49,928 --> 00:28:52,129 and then I was born in November. 456 00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:57,000 And it was a really terribly stressful time for my parents, 457 00:28:57,135 --> 00:29:01,338 especially for my mom. 458 00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:06,409 We didn't discuss things. 459 00:29:06,545 --> 00:29:08,345 I think that my parents always wanted 460 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:14,084 to have a positive outlook on life and move forward, 461 00:29:14,219 --> 00:29:16,153 and that was their way of doing that, 462 00:29:16,288 --> 00:29:19,422 by not focusing on the past. 463 00:29:19,424 --> 00:29:23,494 [indistinct voices conversing] 464 00:29:23,628 --> 00:29:26,629 [tranquil music] 465 00:29:26,631 --> 00:29:33,570 ¶ ¶ 466 00:29:41,179 --> 00:29:43,180 I remember Paul and I having a pretty, 467 00:29:43,315 --> 00:29:45,716 you know, typical relationship as brothers 468 00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:49,119 up until, you know, maybe he hit his teens 469 00:29:49,254 --> 00:29:50,787 and I was approaching my teens, 470 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:54,257 and then--you know, then, your life expands. 471 00:29:54,393 --> 00:29:56,459 You know, you have different friends and whatnot. 472 00:29:56,461 --> 00:30:01,131 And we kind of went different ways. 473 00:30:01,266 --> 00:30:04,935 He was--there was something different about him, 474 00:30:05,070 --> 00:30:09,406 I guess I'd say. 475 00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:12,342 I'm sure it made him feel set apart, 476 00:30:12,477 --> 00:30:14,677 and I'm sure that affected him. 477 00:30:14,679 --> 00:30:21,552 ¶ ¶ 478 00:30:24,222 --> 00:30:25,756 - He was a fun guy to hang around with, 479 00:30:25,890 --> 00:30:29,092 'cause most of my other friends were really serious. 480 00:30:29,227 --> 00:30:31,161 At that time in a guy's life, 481 00:30:31,296 --> 00:30:33,964 it's all about getting drunk, meeting girls, 482 00:30:34,099 --> 00:30:36,867 music, pop culture, movies, what's on TV. 483 00:30:39,104 --> 00:30:41,104 So I would go to Paul's house, pick Paul up, 484 00:30:41,106 --> 00:30:44,241 and I'd, you know, spend a little bit of time there. 485 00:30:44,376 --> 00:30:47,510 It was a very quiet--I never heard any music in the house. 486 00:30:47,512 --> 00:30:49,112 And for a guy that loved music, 487 00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:50,847 that's pretty odd. 488 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,382 [bass guitar music] 489 00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:53,784 - I loved music more than anything. 490 00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:56,719 I taught myself how to play bass. 491 00:30:56,721 --> 00:30:58,521 I loved progressive rock. 492 00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:00,523 I saw KISS in concert, 493 00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:01,924 and then I saw Rush in concert. 494 00:31:01,926 --> 00:31:04,260 Lots of Rush. 495 00:31:04,262 --> 00:31:06,396 I was at this little restaurant, 496 00:31:06,531 --> 00:31:08,265 waiting for my girlfriend to get off work, 497 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,335 and I heard these two guys about a booth over talking. 498 00:31:12,471 --> 00:31:17,407 And one guy said, "All we need is a kickass bass player." 499 00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:20,477 So I leaned over, and I said, "I'm a bass player." 500 00:31:20,479 --> 00:31:22,412 And they said, "Can you play Rush?" 501 00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:25,148 And I was like, "Oh, I can play Rush." 502 00:31:25,283 --> 00:31:28,084 ["New World Man" by Rush playing] 503 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:29,486 ¶ ¶ 504 00:31:29,621 --> 00:31:31,087 [laughs] 505 00:31:31,223 --> 00:31:38,495 ¶ ¶ 506 00:31:39,498 --> 00:31:41,832 I auditioned the next day for the band. 507 00:31:41,966 --> 00:31:43,834 And they said, "Can you move to Arizona?" 508 00:31:43,969 --> 00:31:46,703 I said, "Absolutely." 509 00:31:46,705 --> 00:31:48,705 And that's when I had to tell my parents. 510 00:31:48,707 --> 00:31:51,374 - ¶ He's a rebel and a runner ¶ 511 00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:55,578 ¶ He's a signal turning green ¶ 512 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:56,847 ¶ He's a restless young romantic ¶ 513 00:31:56,981 --> 00:31:58,915 ¶ Wants to run the big machine ¶ 514 00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:00,783 ¶ ¶ 515 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:02,452 ¶ He's got a problem with his poisons ¶ 516 00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:04,587 - Everyone else was just doing the same thing. 517 00:32:04,723 --> 00:32:07,457 I wanted to get away and be in a band. 518 00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:11,061 2,000 miles away. 519 00:32:11,196 --> 00:32:12,996 I love my parents. 520 00:32:13,131 --> 00:32:17,400 But it was--it was really easy to leave. 521 00:32:17,536 --> 00:32:20,136 I'd didn't talk to my parents probably for a year. 522 00:32:20,272 --> 00:32:23,406 To be on my own, playing rock and roll, 523 00:32:23,542 --> 00:32:25,141 it was--it was perfect. 524 00:32:25,143 --> 00:32:28,945 ¶ ¶ 525 00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:32,015 - ¶ Man ¶ 526 00:32:32,150 --> 00:32:39,056 ¶ ¶ 527 00:32:40,825 --> 00:32:43,093 We had a great run, and it just-- 528 00:32:43,228 --> 00:32:44,895 it didn't work out. 529 00:32:45,698 --> 00:32:49,566 So we kind of broke up, parted ways, 530 00:32:49,701 --> 00:32:51,768 and eventually, I found myself in Las Vegas. 531 00:32:51,904 --> 00:32:54,771 [rock music] 532 00:32:54,907 --> 00:33:01,111 ¶ ¶ 533 00:33:01,246 --> 00:33:02,312 It's definitely not a place 534 00:33:02,447 --> 00:33:03,780 where you're gonna follow rules. 535 00:33:03,782 --> 00:33:05,382 People come here to act stupid, 536 00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:07,183 to do things that they wouldn't do at home. 537 00:33:07,185 --> 00:33:11,521 ¶ ¶ 538 00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:12,923 So when I first moved here, 539 00:33:13,057 --> 00:33:14,925 I went through about five or ten jobs, 540 00:33:15,059 --> 00:33:18,061 you know, just trying different things. 541 00:33:18,196 --> 00:33:21,865 And someone said, "Why don't you just start acting?" 542 00:33:24,402 --> 00:33:27,670 So I spent 75 bucks, and I got a headshot. 543 00:33:27,806 --> 00:33:29,806 And I went to an agent, 544 00:33:29,942 --> 00:33:31,808 and I think I started working, like, the next day. 545 00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:33,276 - Please place all your metal objects 546 00:33:33,278 --> 00:33:36,012 in the bags. 547 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:37,614 Excuse me, sir. Sir. 548 00:33:37,749 --> 00:33:39,816 Excuse me, sir. 549 00:33:39,952 --> 00:33:42,285 - Commander. Commander. The headset. 550 00:33:42,287 --> 00:33:43,686 - He? 551 00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:45,688 - Please place all your metal objects in your bag. 552 00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:48,425 [dramatic music] 553 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,560 ¶ ¶ 554 00:33:50,695 --> 00:33:52,829 - If it's electronic, we need to see it. 555 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,635 - I loved being someone else. 556 00:33:58,770 --> 00:34:01,772 And I loved how I could just bounce into a role 557 00:34:01,906 --> 00:34:03,373 and play that character. 558 00:34:03,508 --> 00:34:06,309 - I think he did a movie called "Domino" or something, 559 00:34:06,444 --> 00:34:09,179 where he was a stand-in for Mickey Rourke. 560 00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:11,113 And then there was some "Ocean's 11" movies, 561 00:34:11,115 --> 00:34:13,016 and he was a stand-in for George Clooney. 562 00:34:16,254 --> 00:34:19,689 - Which one's the Amazing Yen? - The little Chinese guy. 563 00:34:22,327 --> 00:34:24,126 - I remember once, he told me 564 00:34:24,128 --> 00:34:25,728 that he was in a movie "Rush Hour." 565 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:27,463 And I liked the "Rush Hour" movies. 566 00:34:27,465 --> 00:34:30,333 And so I went with my wife, Alexis, to see "Rush Hour." 567 00:34:30,468 --> 00:34:33,403 [dramatic music] 568 00:34:33,538 --> 00:34:36,138 ¶ ¶ 569 00:34:36,140 --> 00:34:37,740 So, they get to Vegas, 570 00:34:37,876 --> 00:34:39,676 and I guess they're down in some sewer system. 571 00:34:39,678 --> 00:34:41,411 They come out of the sewer, 572 00:34:41,546 --> 00:34:43,113 and you see the guy's head pop out. 573 00:34:46,551 --> 00:34:49,886 - Las Vegas? - Vegas? 574 00:34:49,888 --> 00:34:51,354 What the hell we doing in Vegas? 575 00:34:51,489 --> 00:34:53,356 - Paul comes walking across the screen 576 00:34:53,491 --> 00:34:55,558 with some woman on his arm, you know. 577 00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:58,161 And I just bust out laughing in the theater. 578 00:34:58,296 --> 00:34:59,429 And my wife's like, 579 00:34:59,564 --> 00:35:00,630 "What the hell are you laughing at?" 580 00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:02,399 I'm like, "That's Paul." 581 00:35:05,303 --> 00:35:07,370 - 2004 or 2005. Spring. 582 00:35:07,505 --> 00:35:10,773 And we actually met online, on a dating website. 583 00:35:10,909 --> 00:35:13,710 I remember seeing his picture and thinking, 584 00:35:13,845 --> 00:35:15,378 "I'm gonna get a date with that guy. 585 00:35:15,513 --> 00:35:18,314 "He's good-looking. Man, he is cute. 586 00:35:18,316 --> 00:35:19,916 "He probably won't go out with me, 587 00:35:19,918 --> 00:35:21,985 but I'm gonna get a date with this guy." 588 00:35:23,788 --> 00:35:25,388 Our first date, we were together. 589 00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:27,990 There was no lapse of time. There was no questioning. 590 00:35:27,992 --> 00:35:29,459 It was just, like, we had our first date, 591 00:35:29,594 --> 00:35:31,394 and that was it. Tell them what you're doing. 592 00:35:31,529 --> 00:35:33,864 - It's almost Christmas, Mish. Our second one together. 593 00:35:33,998 --> 00:35:35,131 2007. 594 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:36,933 - He was so down-to-Earth. 595 00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:39,335 Just like the guy next door. 596 00:35:39,337 --> 00:35:42,805 Sweet, kind, caring. 597 00:35:42,807 --> 00:35:44,340 Obviously got a lot of attention. 598 00:35:44,342 --> 00:35:46,542 He was in the acting and modeling. 599 00:35:46,544 --> 00:35:48,344 But he just seemed like he needed 600 00:35:48,346 --> 00:35:51,013 that steady, genuine attention 601 00:35:51,015 --> 00:35:54,150 that I don't think he really got 602 00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:56,553 from his jobs or from family. 603 00:35:56,688 --> 00:35:58,955 Something was missing. He was looking for something. 604 00:35:58,957 --> 00:36:00,156 It was just--he just seemed 605 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:02,024 like a little lost puppy sometimes. 606 00:36:02,026 --> 00:36:05,027 [gentle music] 607 00:36:05,029 --> 00:36:10,232 ¶ ¶ 608 00:36:10,234 --> 00:36:11,634 When we first met, 609 00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:15,705 he didn't really talk a lot about his childhood. 610 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,173 But once we got a little bit closer, 611 00:36:17,309 --> 00:36:22,645 he did share with me that he was kidnapped. 612 00:36:22,781 --> 00:36:27,117 ¶ ¶ 613 00:36:27,252 --> 00:36:28,718 I remember him telling the story, 614 00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:31,854 and I thought, "Okay, this is a little strange," 615 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:33,523 almost like I didn't believe him at first. 616 00:36:33,658 --> 00:36:37,327 ¶ ¶ 617 00:36:37,462 --> 00:36:38,995 And the way that he just, matter-of-fact, 618 00:36:39,131 --> 00:36:41,597 told the story-- "Oh, well, I was kidnapped, 619 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,466 "and then I was missing for a few years, 620 00:36:43,601 --> 00:36:46,937 and then the FBI found me, and here I am today." 621 00:36:47,071 --> 00:36:50,807 And it was just... like it wasn't a big deal. 622 00:36:50,942 --> 00:36:57,881 ¶ ¶ 623 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,020 I think he's restless, 624 00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:07,089 because he constantly went from one job to another. 625 00:37:07,091 --> 00:37:09,559 It's almost like he will kind of do something 626 00:37:09,694 --> 00:37:11,427 and get bored with it, 627 00:37:11,429 --> 00:37:14,831 as though he was always in search for something. 628 00:37:14,966 --> 00:37:17,099 Always looking for something. 629 00:37:17,101 --> 00:37:18,901 Never really completely settled 630 00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:22,505 on what he had or what he was doing. 631 00:37:22,507 --> 00:37:29,111 ¶ ¶ 632 00:37:29,113 --> 00:37:30,713 I think that it kind of tapered off. 633 00:37:30,849 --> 00:37:33,649 You know, once we got married and we were happy together 634 00:37:33,651 --> 00:37:37,787 and we were secure, 635 00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:42,525 he seemed at peace there for a while. 636 00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:46,196 He seemed--he seemed fulfilled. 637 00:37:46,330 --> 00:37:47,797 And I thought, "This is fantastic. 638 00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:50,332 This is--like, I'm happy. We're gonna--I'm gonna live-- 639 00:37:50,334 --> 00:37:52,335 I'm gonna be 100 years old with this man." 640 00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:59,209 ¶ ¶ 641 00:37:59,344 --> 00:38:01,211 Hello. 642 00:38:01,346 --> 00:38:02,812 - So, who do you have there, Michelle? 643 00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:06,282 - I have our beautiful daughter. 644 00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,418 You don't want to say hello? 645 00:38:08,553 --> 00:38:12,955 Open those eyes. A little bit? 646 00:38:13,091 --> 00:38:17,627 Well, we welcomed her today at 1:44. 647 00:38:17,762 --> 00:38:20,763 - She's about 6 1/2 hours old. 648 00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:24,166 We had Emma in our hospital room. 649 00:38:24,168 --> 00:38:26,036 And we never left that room, 650 00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:28,171 for reasons I'm sure you understand. 651 00:38:30,041 --> 00:38:34,444 To see your child breathe 652 00:38:34,579 --> 00:38:38,048 and start their life right there, 653 00:38:38,182 --> 00:38:42,385 knowing that you helped create that child--it was amazing. 654 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,987 ¶ ¶ 655 00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:48,925 That's my child. That will always be my child. 656 00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:52,795 It's an instant bond that nothing will ever change. 657 00:38:52,931 --> 00:38:54,196 - That's the sweetest thing 658 00:38:54,198 --> 00:38:55,865 I think I've ever seen in my life. 659 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,402 ¶ ¶ 660 00:38:59,537 --> 00:39:01,604 Beautiful. 661 00:39:01,739 --> 00:39:03,873 - So once we had Emma, 662 00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:08,010 the doctor asked me for my medical history, 663 00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:09,145 a question I've been asked 664 00:39:09,281 --> 00:39:11,147 a hundred times all through my life, 665 00:39:11,149 --> 00:39:13,749 and I always spouted out the same answer. 666 00:39:13,751 --> 00:39:15,418 Okay, Mom, what are you doing? 667 00:39:15,553 --> 00:39:17,820 - Well, right now, I'm feeding Emma. 668 00:39:17,956 --> 00:39:20,423 Enjoying feeding Emma. 669 00:39:20,558 --> 00:39:24,694 Our little angel. We really love her. 670 00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:26,362 - But this time, when they asked me, 671 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:29,299 I'm looking at my child, I'm thinking, 672 00:39:29,433 --> 00:39:32,635 "What if it's not true?" 673 00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:34,236 It took me back 674 00:39:34,238 --> 00:39:37,707 to when I was ten years old, finding those clippings. 675 00:39:37,842 --> 00:39:40,176 Really wondering, "Could I be that kidnapped child 676 00:39:40,178 --> 00:39:43,446 "found 2,000 miles away a couple years later? 677 00:39:43,581 --> 00:39:45,848 That sounds like-- like a fairy tale." 678 00:39:45,984 --> 00:39:48,784 You know, and then you really start wondering. 679 00:39:48,786 --> 00:39:51,521 "Is this really true? Am I really Paul?" 680 00:39:54,258 --> 00:39:57,259 [disquieting music] 681 00:39:57,261 --> 00:39:59,996 ¶ ¶ 682 00:40:00,131 --> 00:40:02,598 So, my parents loved me. I know they did. 683 00:40:02,734 --> 00:40:03,933 And they raised me really well. 684 00:40:04,068 --> 00:40:05,935 But it was two brothers, 685 00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,270 and David had a certain easiness with him, 686 00:40:08,272 --> 00:40:11,874 a familiarity, that I didn't have. 687 00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:13,676 And I really feel in my heart 688 00:40:13,678 --> 00:40:17,213 that they knew that David was theirs without question, 689 00:40:17,215 --> 00:40:20,082 but was I really their child? 690 00:40:20,218 --> 00:40:22,485 And if that's in the back of your mind, 691 00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:25,487 it's gonna come out in--it's gonna come out. 692 00:40:25,489 --> 00:40:31,060 ¶ ¶ 693 00:40:34,699 --> 00:40:40,570 So, in this picture, I'm with the FBI agents who found me 694 00:40:40,705 --> 00:40:42,038 and with my mom and dad. 695 00:40:42,173 --> 00:40:44,407 And honestly, looking at this picture... 696 00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:48,378 It's kind of funny. 697 00:40:48,513 --> 00:40:51,381 'Cause the FBI looks like they just--that's it. 698 00:40:51,516 --> 00:40:55,518 "We did it." You know? 699 00:40:55,653 --> 00:40:57,187 I think it's funny that my mom and I 700 00:40:57,321 --> 00:40:58,521 are both looking at the camera, 701 00:40:58,656 --> 00:41:00,857 and my dad's looking down at me, 702 00:41:00,992 --> 00:41:04,727 like, maybe wondering, "Is this really my son?" 703 00:41:04,729 --> 00:41:07,730 [moody string music] 704 00:41:07,732 --> 00:41:13,869 ¶ ¶ 705 00:41:13,871 --> 00:41:17,807 - It is very difficult to disagree with the FBI. 706 00:41:17,942 --> 00:41:20,743 They were there for a certain mission. 707 00:41:20,745 --> 00:41:24,346 And they wanted this case to be over and done with. 708 00:41:24,348 --> 00:41:26,816 ¶ ¶ 709 00:41:26,951 --> 00:41:29,151 - I know that my grandfather wasn't 100% sold 710 00:41:29,287 --> 00:41:30,552 on the concept 711 00:41:30,554 --> 00:41:33,022 that this baby belonged in Chicago. 712 00:41:33,157 --> 00:41:36,692 But at the time, that's really all they had. 713 00:41:36,694 --> 00:41:38,228 We were missing a baby in Chicago, 714 00:41:38,362 --> 00:41:40,296 we have one found in New Jersey, 715 00:41:40,432 --> 00:41:42,164 and I think that's the way the consensus went. 716 00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:45,568 But the family was extremely confident that was their child. 717 00:41:45,703 --> 00:41:47,770 ¶ ¶ 718 00:41:47,905 --> 00:41:49,171 - I can imagine 719 00:41:49,307 --> 00:41:52,242 that you would want it to be your baby so much, 720 00:41:52,376 --> 00:41:54,043 you would take one look and say, 721 00:41:54,178 --> 00:41:56,579 "Of course that's him." 722 00:41:56,714 --> 00:42:03,653 ¶ ¶ 723 00:42:12,464 --> 00:42:14,530 - He wanted to find out, you know, and he was thinking, 724 00:42:14,532 --> 00:42:16,999 "Well, now there's DNA. We can find out for sure 725 00:42:17,135 --> 00:42:20,336 if I really am Paul Fronczak." 726 00:42:20,338 --> 00:42:23,205 His parents were in town. 727 00:42:23,207 --> 00:42:24,940 It's--it really is kind of blurry now, 728 00:42:24,942 --> 00:42:26,742 but I just remember sitting at the table 729 00:42:26,744 --> 00:42:29,145 and almost, like, Paul brought it up like, 730 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,280 "Hey, do you want pizza? You want takeout? 731 00:42:31,415 --> 00:42:32,214 What do you want for dinner?" 732 00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:33,749 in his joking way. 733 00:42:33,751 --> 00:42:35,217 You know, I mean, he did it in a nice way, 734 00:42:35,353 --> 00:42:40,222 but it was--it was very much lighthearted, 735 00:42:40,224 --> 00:42:43,826 and he just brought it up and spoke to them about it, 736 00:42:43,828 --> 00:42:46,362 and why he wanted to know. 737 00:42:46,498 --> 00:42:48,764 And I think his parents were caught off guard. 738 00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:50,232 I know they were caught off guard, 739 00:42:50,234 --> 00:42:54,770 because they just agreed. 740 00:42:54,772 --> 00:42:59,842 ¶ ¶ 741 00:42:59,844 --> 00:43:01,911 And the next thing you know, they're sitting at the table, 742 00:43:02,046 --> 00:43:03,445 and they're all swabbing away. 743 00:43:03,447 --> 00:43:08,518 And I thought, "Wow, we're gonna find out." 744 00:43:08,652 --> 00:43:10,186 But then they got back in town. 745 00:43:10,321 --> 00:43:11,921 I don't remember if it was his mom or his dad 746 00:43:12,056 --> 00:43:14,790 that called and said, "Don't send it in. 747 00:43:14,792 --> 00:43:16,526 We don't want to know." Which I understand. 748 00:43:16,661 --> 00:43:17,994 They had time to think about it. 749 00:43:18,129 --> 00:43:20,863 They had time for it to really process. 750 00:43:20,998 --> 00:43:23,265 And they were able to think, "I don't want to know." 751 00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:25,000 Which--I don't blame them. 752 00:43:25,002 --> 00:43:28,804 ¶ ¶ 753 00:43:28,806 --> 00:43:32,274 I remember him talking about it and thinking about it 754 00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:36,412 and trying to understand their point of view. 755 00:43:36,414 --> 00:43:39,481 But he just--he needed to know for himself. 756 00:43:39,483 --> 00:43:43,353 ¶ ¶ 757 00:43:43,487 --> 00:43:45,487 And I know that he really wrestled with that 758 00:43:45,489 --> 00:43:48,290 for quite some time. 759 00:43:48,426 --> 00:43:50,693 But in the end, he needed to know for himself. 760 00:43:50,828 --> 00:43:57,767 ¶ ¶ 761 00:43:59,303 --> 00:44:04,039 - I was at work, and my cell phone rang. 762 00:44:04,041 --> 00:44:06,442 And it said, "This is Identigene. 763 00:44:06,444 --> 00:44:10,312 Is this Paul Fronczak?" And I said yes. 764 00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:14,450 And then the guy took a beat, and then he said, 765 00:44:14,452 --> 00:44:18,721 "There's no remote possibility that you're Paul Fronczak." 766 00:44:18,856 --> 00:44:22,592 Chester and Dora are not your biological parents." 767 00:44:22,727 --> 00:44:24,326 And I said, "Okay. 768 00:44:24,328 --> 00:44:28,398 Thank you very much." Hung up. 769 00:44:28,532 --> 00:44:31,067 And then I just stopped breathing. 770 00:44:31,202 --> 00:44:33,803 I just sat there. 771 00:44:33,938 --> 00:44:37,006 And it's like my life just flashed before my eyes. 772 00:44:37,141 --> 00:44:40,877 Everything I thought I knew about myself just vanished. 773 00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:49,351 And you don't know anything about your life. 774 00:44:49,353 --> 00:44:52,221 [ethereal music] 775 00:44:52,356 --> 00:44:59,262 ¶ ¶ 776 00:45:05,102 --> 00:45:06,436 - I just remember when he said it. 777 00:45:06,570 --> 00:45:08,104 I was like, "Oh, my gosh." 778 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,039 I said, "Are you okay? How do you feel? 779 00:45:10,174 --> 00:45:11,441 Do you want me to come there right now?" 780 00:45:11,575 --> 00:45:13,709 He's like, "I don't know what to think. 781 00:45:13,711 --> 00:45:15,244 I don't know what to feel." 782 00:45:15,379 --> 00:45:19,715 But he--he was upset, 783 00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:21,784 but yet masking it, I could tell. 784 00:45:21,919 --> 00:45:27,323 ¶ ¶ 785 00:45:27,458 --> 00:45:28,991 He's like, "I can't believe it." 786 00:45:28,993 --> 00:45:31,393 He's like, "I'm not the real Paul Fronczak." 787 00:45:31,529 --> 00:45:34,396 He's like, "I don't know my birthday." 788 00:45:34,398 --> 00:45:36,198 He's like, "I don't even know where I was born 789 00:45:36,334 --> 00:45:38,134 or who my parents are." He's like, "I have no idea." 790 00:45:38,269 --> 00:45:39,935 He's like, "I don't even know how old I am." 791 00:45:40,071 --> 00:45:42,404 ¶ ¶ 792 00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:46,342 I was like, "Wow. Yeah." 793 00:45:46,477 --> 00:45:48,210 And I think that's when it became so real. 794 00:45:48,346 --> 00:45:49,812 I was like, "Holy shit." 795 00:45:49,947 --> 00:45:53,549 ¶ ¶ 796 00:45:53,551 --> 00:45:57,687 I think that's when it hit me too. 797 00:45:57,822 --> 00:46:01,491 And I knew--it's almost like I knew that day. 798 00:46:01,625 --> 00:46:07,697 I thought, "This is not-- this is not the end of this." 799 00:46:07,831 --> 00:46:11,233 I knew that he was not just gonna leave it at that. 800 00:46:11,369 --> 00:46:12,968 I knew that he-- his personality-- 801 00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:14,236 he needed to find out. 802 00:46:14,372 --> 00:46:15,771 He was gonna start digging into it 803 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:18,840 and trying to find out, "Who am I?" 804 00:46:18,842 --> 00:46:25,782 ¶ ¶ 805 00:46:45,069 --> 00:46:48,137 - So after I got the news saying that I wasn't Paul, 806 00:46:48,272 --> 00:46:50,806 I knew the only way to move this story forward 807 00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:52,608 would be to turn to the media. 808 00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:55,677 And there was only one guy I could think of in Las Vegas, 809 00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:59,014 and that was George Knapp. 810 00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:00,616 - Hello, and welcome to "On the Record." 811 00:47:00,618 --> 00:47:02,885 Flying saucers, extraterrestrials, 812 00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:04,686 monsters from outer space. 813 00:47:04,688 --> 00:47:06,488 The government has been telling us for years 814 00:47:06,624 --> 00:47:07,757 that they're not real. 815 00:47:07,892 --> 00:47:10,025 They're weather balloons or swamp gas 816 00:47:10,027 --> 00:47:12,161 or the ravings of lunatics. 817 00:47:12,296 --> 00:47:14,764 You know, I'm not exactly sure what the final factor was 818 00:47:14,899 --> 00:47:16,298 in why he picked me, 819 00:47:16,434 --> 00:47:18,167 but I've been on the air in Las Vegas a long time. 820 00:47:18,302 --> 00:47:20,570 I've done some big stories here and there. 821 00:47:20,704 --> 00:47:23,105 I'm generally regarded as a trustworthy person. 822 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,308 I keep my word. 823 00:47:26,444 --> 00:47:28,043 At the time, he seemed wounded. 824 00:47:28,179 --> 00:47:30,913 He was still trying to get his head around it himself. 825 00:47:31,048 --> 00:47:33,382 He had just got the DNA test results. 826 00:47:33,517 --> 00:47:36,318 He was still trying to figure out what to do with it. 827 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,520 He wanted to solve two mysteries: 828 00:47:38,656 --> 00:47:41,991 one is, what happened to biological Paul? 829 00:47:42,126 --> 00:47:45,461 And two, who was he? Where was he born? 830 00:47:45,596 --> 00:47:46,796 What was his nationality? 831 00:47:46,930 --> 00:47:48,598 How old was he? Where's his real family? 832 00:47:48,732 --> 00:47:51,867 How did he end up on a street in New Jersey? 833 00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:54,136 And the real thing that was hanging over his head was, 834 00:47:54,271 --> 00:47:57,673 "What do I tell my parents?" He was struggling with that. 835 00:47:57,675 --> 00:47:59,208 And once we set a date 836 00:47:59,343 --> 00:48:01,743 for when our first report aired, 837 00:48:01,745 --> 00:48:04,146 it was sort of a deadline for Paul, as well, 838 00:48:04,281 --> 00:48:07,016 to tell his parents something he had never been able to do. 839 00:48:11,355 --> 00:48:12,688 - Dear Mom and Dad. 840 00:48:12,824 --> 00:48:16,091 First, I am your son, and I always will be. 841 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,760 You and Dad have been wonderful parents 842 00:48:18,762 --> 00:48:21,963 and have shaped me into the person that I am today. 843 00:48:21,965 --> 00:48:25,767 I love you both, and that will be forever. 844 00:48:25,769 --> 00:48:27,903 The DNA test results came back, 845 00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:30,406 and it turns out that I am not your biological son. 846 00:48:43,987 --> 00:48:47,323 I want to find out if the real Paul Fronczak is alive 847 00:48:47,458 --> 00:48:49,191 and what happened to him. 848 00:48:49,326 --> 00:48:51,260 And I want to find out who I am, 849 00:48:51,395 --> 00:48:53,729 and what happened to me. 850 00:48:53,731 --> 00:48:56,265 I hope you and Dad will be with me on this 851 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,534 and be a part of this process. 852 00:48:58,669 --> 00:49:01,470 Thank you for all you have done for me in the past 853 00:49:01,605 --> 00:49:04,206 and for the rest of our future together. 854 00:49:04,341 --> 00:49:06,808 Your loving son, Paul. 855 00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:09,811 [melancholy music] 856 00:49:09,813 --> 00:49:15,217 ¶ ¶ 857 00:49:15,352 --> 00:49:18,019 So they called me. 858 00:49:18,021 --> 00:49:19,689 I saw the number on my phone, and I answered it. 859 00:49:19,823 --> 00:49:23,358 I said, "Hey, Mom." Started screaming at me. 860 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,227 "How could you do this to us? 861 00:49:25,229 --> 00:49:26,828 "We're not good enough for you? 862 00:49:26,830 --> 00:49:27,763 "You don't like us as parents. 863 00:49:27,899 --> 00:49:30,232 You want to find other parents?" 864 00:49:30,367 --> 00:49:31,633 And I was trying to tell her, 865 00:49:31,769 --> 00:49:36,305 that--that was never even a thought in my mind. 866 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,108 I hear a scuffling. My dad gets on the phone. 867 00:49:39,243 --> 00:49:40,910 He said, "You're an asshole." Click. 868 00:49:41,044 --> 00:49:43,379 [dial tone] 869 00:49:43,514 --> 00:49:45,915 And I was like, "What the fuck?" 870 00:49:46,049 --> 00:49:47,983 You know? It was like-- 871 00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:52,388 ¶ ¶ 872 00:49:52,523 --> 00:49:55,391 - The three of us were very angry at Paul. 873 00:49:55,526 --> 00:49:58,994 And it made it really difficult 874 00:49:58,996 --> 00:50:01,663 to try to bridge that gap again 875 00:50:01,799 --> 00:50:04,199 for quite a while. 876 00:50:04,201 --> 00:50:06,268 I was all emotion at that point. 877 00:50:06,403 --> 00:50:10,940 And, you know, I don't think it was fair, looking back. 878 00:50:11,075 --> 00:50:12,742 You know, he was going through a lot. 879 00:50:12,876 --> 00:50:14,676 And I could have, you know, attempted 880 00:50:14,812 --> 00:50:17,146 to kind of have a deeper conversation with him 881 00:50:17,281 --> 00:50:19,548 about how we might manage all this stuff at once. 882 00:50:19,683 --> 00:50:24,553 But I just--I just decided, you know, the heck with him. 883 00:50:24,688 --> 00:50:28,490 ¶ ¶ 884 00:50:28,492 --> 00:50:29,625 - So after that phone call, 885 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,628 we didn't speak for a couple of years. 886 00:50:32,763 --> 00:50:34,563 I could not see their side. 887 00:50:34,698 --> 00:50:37,232 I couldn't see a downside of this. 888 00:50:37,234 --> 00:50:40,569 Your child was kidnapped. It was never solved. 889 00:50:40,704 --> 00:50:45,106 I'm not your real son. I was--I was a proxy. 890 00:50:45,108 --> 00:50:49,444 I was put in his place. And now we know the truth. 891 00:50:49,446 --> 00:50:52,181 So how could you not want to learn the truth 892 00:50:52,316 --> 00:50:53,582 and move forward 893 00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:56,786 and, you know what, maybe find your real son? 894 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,888 Wouldn't you want to know the truth? 895 00:51:00,924 --> 00:51:03,525 People are gonna fucking hate me, aren't they? 896 00:51:03,661 --> 00:51:05,528 "He's a dick!" 897 00:51:10,601 --> 00:51:12,133 - Well, we certainly had the conversation 898 00:51:12,135 --> 00:51:14,403 multiple times: be careful what you wish for, 899 00:51:14,538 --> 00:51:16,806 because you don't know where this leads. 900 00:51:16,940 --> 00:51:18,340 This is a dark beginning. 901 00:51:18,475 --> 00:51:23,144 Paul is on a sidewalk, abandoned, in New Jersey. 902 00:51:23,146 --> 00:51:24,680 ¶ ¶ 903 00:51:24,682 --> 00:51:26,615 Nobody came looking for him. 904 00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:28,017 It's not like some accidental thing, 905 00:51:28,152 --> 00:51:30,085 they just left him at the bus stop. 906 00:51:30,087 --> 00:51:32,888 He was put there on purpose. 907 00:51:33,024 --> 00:51:34,824 - We'll be on network just in case. 908 00:51:34,958 --> 00:51:37,493 ¶ ¶ 909 00:51:37,628 --> 00:51:40,830 - Michelle and I very rarely saw eye-to-eye on anything, 910 00:51:40,964 --> 00:51:43,965 but this was definitely a hard no. 911 00:51:43,967 --> 00:51:45,901 She wanted me to just let it go. 912 00:51:46,037 --> 00:51:49,371 - So we're gonna do headlines, and we're gonna go to weather. 913 00:51:49,506 --> 00:51:50,906 - And I tried to explain to her 914 00:51:50,908 --> 00:51:53,575 that this is bigger than just my parents now. 915 00:51:53,711 --> 00:51:56,311 You know, we know--we now know 916 00:51:56,447 --> 00:51:58,179 that their son could be out there. 917 00:51:58,181 --> 00:52:01,450 ¶ ¶ 918 00:52:01,585 --> 00:52:03,318 And what kind of injustice would I be doing 919 00:52:03,454 --> 00:52:06,655 if I knew that and just ignored it? 920 00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:08,457 I mean, for all we know, 921 00:52:08,592 --> 00:52:10,259 maybe we could be helping out the real Paul too. 922 00:52:10,394 --> 00:52:13,795 - Stand by, seeking. He is minus five seconds. 923 00:52:13,797 --> 00:52:16,732 - She said, "Your parents don't want you to do this, 924 00:52:16,867 --> 00:52:18,333 then just don't do it." 925 00:52:18,335 --> 00:52:20,269 - Stand by. Sound check. 926 00:52:20,404 --> 00:52:21,470 And fade up. 927 00:52:21,605 --> 00:52:22,938 - Well, it's a case that began 928 00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:25,274 with a sensational kidnapping in the Midwest, 929 00:52:25,409 --> 00:52:27,008 but has now spread to southern Nevada 930 00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:28,410 and to the I-Team. 931 00:52:28,412 --> 00:52:30,145 George Knapp here with this exclusive story. 932 00:52:30,281 --> 00:52:31,747 - You have had that feeling when you're a kid 933 00:52:31,882 --> 00:52:33,882 that you must have been switched at birth or something, 934 00:52:34,017 --> 00:52:35,551 or that aliens had dropped you off, 935 00:52:35,686 --> 00:52:38,487 because you couldn't possibly belong to your own family? 936 00:52:38,622 --> 00:52:41,090 Well, for Paul Joseph Fronczak of Henderson, 937 00:52:41,224 --> 00:52:42,691 it's more than a fuzzy feeling. 938 00:52:42,826 --> 00:52:44,894 Tomorrow is supposed to be his birthday, 939 00:52:45,028 --> 00:52:46,428 but he's just recently learned 940 00:52:46,563 --> 00:52:48,697 that he has no idea when he was actually born, 941 00:52:48,832 --> 00:52:50,699 that his parents aren't really his parents, 942 00:52:50,834 --> 00:52:54,035 and that he hasn't a clue where he's from or who he is. 943 00:52:54,037 --> 00:52:55,571 It started with a kidnapping 944 00:52:55,706 --> 00:52:58,307 that exploded onto an international stage, 945 00:52:58,442 --> 00:53:02,377 and it's one amazing, puzzling tale. 946 00:53:02,513 --> 00:53:03,979 - I don't even know how old I am. 947 00:53:03,981 --> 00:53:07,048 Or who I am. Or what nationality. 948 00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:09,118 All those things that you just take for granted. 949 00:53:09,252 --> 00:53:11,453 - The response to the first story we did 950 00:53:11,455 --> 00:53:14,456 was off the charts. Phones ringing off the hook. 951 00:53:14,591 --> 00:53:18,860 There were inquiries from CNN, NBC, ABC, everywhere, 952 00:53:18,996 --> 00:53:21,797 coming to me, coming to Paul, all over the place. 953 00:53:21,932 --> 00:53:23,532 Everybody wanted in on this story. 954 00:53:23,667 --> 00:53:26,602 [dramatic news fanfare] 955 00:53:26,737 --> 00:53:28,470 ¶ ¶ 956 00:53:28,472 --> 00:53:30,739 - It's a mystery once believed solved. 957 00:53:30,874 --> 00:53:35,744 Now the FBI is revisiting a half-century-old case. 958 00:53:35,879 --> 00:53:37,946 - His name, his parents, his background: 959 00:53:38,081 --> 00:53:39,348 none of it was true. 960 00:53:39,483 --> 00:53:42,751 - A bizarre mystery nearly 50 years in the making. 961 00:53:42,886 --> 00:53:44,886 The story was first reported by our Las Vegas affiliate-- 962 00:53:45,022 --> 00:53:46,956 - And it was like overnight, 963 00:53:47,090 --> 00:53:50,225 the whole country just erupted with this story. 964 00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:51,693 - To another story that we're following this morning, 965 00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:54,696 a strange twist now in a 50-year-old cold case. 966 00:53:54,832 --> 00:53:57,032 The FBI is reopening a 1964 kidnapping case. 967 00:53:57,034 --> 00:53:59,034 - I told Paul, "Look, you know, 968 00:53:59,036 --> 00:54:00,769 I've got a feeling we're gonna help you solve this." 969 00:54:00,904 --> 00:54:05,106 - Here's Barbara Walters. - Good evening. 970 00:54:05,108 --> 00:54:07,176 Tonight, a most bizarre story. 971 00:54:07,310 --> 00:54:08,710 What would you do if everything you thought 972 00:54:08,846 --> 00:54:11,046 you knew about your life was a lie? 973 00:54:11,182 --> 00:54:12,714 And the real truth-- 974 00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:14,183 - Doing the "20/20" episode with Barbara Walters, 975 00:54:14,318 --> 00:54:15,784 to me, was an amazing experience. 976 00:54:15,919 --> 00:54:17,519 I mean, you look at Barbara Walters. 977 00:54:17,654 --> 00:54:20,522 She's a legend. She hits good--good questions. 978 00:54:20,657 --> 00:54:22,057 And she wants to get to the heart of the story 979 00:54:22,193 --> 00:54:24,259 as quick as possible. That's what I wanted, 980 00:54:24,261 --> 00:54:26,661 because I figured the more eyes on this story, 981 00:54:26,663 --> 00:54:30,399 the better our chances of finding answers and solving it. 982 00:54:30,534 --> 00:54:33,602 - In the summer of 1966, the Fronczaks believed 983 00:54:33,737 --> 00:54:37,206 their family had been miraculously reunited. 984 00:54:37,741 --> 00:54:40,675 Do you remember how you felt when Paul said, 985 00:54:40,677 --> 00:54:43,012 "I'm not really sure who I am"? 986 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,547 - The first time he told me, I thought he was joking. 987 00:54:45,549 --> 00:54:46,882 I thought he was just kidding around, 988 00:54:47,017 --> 00:54:48,950 but then-- It wasn't fun. 989 00:54:49,086 --> 00:54:52,087 It was exhausting and tiring 990 00:54:52,089 --> 00:54:54,423 and, you know, schlepping our kid across the country 991 00:54:54,558 --> 00:54:57,158 to go to New York and meet with all these different people. 992 00:54:57,294 --> 00:55:00,962 Just really hits home with how my mother-in-law felt. 993 00:55:01,098 --> 00:55:03,899 And then it hits home that--the pain 994 00:55:04,034 --> 00:55:06,902 that she went through then. I'm sure she's feeling it now. 995 00:55:06,904 --> 00:55:10,039 It was very uncomfortable for me, but I did it for him. 996 00:55:10,173 --> 00:55:11,973 I did it for him, to be supportive, 997 00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:13,842 and to, you know, be there for him, 998 00:55:13,977 --> 00:55:15,977 and whatever he needed, I would do. 999 00:55:15,979 --> 00:55:18,847 [somber music] 1000 00:55:18,982 --> 00:55:25,888 ¶ ¶ 1001 00:55:42,205 --> 00:55:45,607 - Paul had done a story with George Knapp out of Las Vegas, 1002 00:55:45,609 --> 00:55:48,810 and that was the first time that I heard about his story. 1003 00:55:48,946 --> 00:55:52,547 ¶ ¶ 1004 00:55:52,683 --> 00:55:55,617 I sent a message to him, saying, look, I think 1005 00:55:55,619 --> 00:55:57,419 that DNA testing could help him 1006 00:55:57,554 --> 00:55:59,655 find the answer to his mystery. 1007 00:56:01,558 --> 00:56:04,426 I strongly feel that everyone has an equal right, 1008 00:56:04,561 --> 00:56:07,428 a birthright, to know about their heritage. 1009 00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:09,230 It doesn't mean they have the right 1010 00:56:09,232 --> 00:56:12,033 to have a relationship with their biological family, 1011 00:56:12,169 --> 00:56:15,236 but it certainly means that they deserve the knowledge 1012 00:56:15,238 --> 00:56:16,705 of where they came from. 1013 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,374 - In the meantime, Fronczak is doing what he can 1014 00:56:19,376 --> 00:56:21,110 to fill in some of the missing pieces 1015 00:56:21,244 --> 00:56:22,511 of his life. 1016 00:56:22,646 --> 00:56:24,245 - All right, you ready, Em? - Uh-huh. 1017 00:56:24,247 --> 00:56:26,047 - I'm gonna do this. 1018 00:56:26,183 --> 00:56:28,850 - What's that? - This is a DNA kit. 1019 00:56:28,852 --> 00:56:30,786 - A Band-Aid? - Kind of. 1020 00:56:30,921 --> 00:56:33,922 - Now, because this one was in the media, 1021 00:56:34,057 --> 00:56:37,659 I knew that he was getting a lot of tips from the public. 1022 00:56:37,661 --> 00:56:41,062 But I was really just focused on the DNA 1023 00:56:41,198 --> 00:56:43,198 and just trying to find those answers. 1024 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,801 And then other people are gonna take it from there. 1025 00:56:45,936 --> 00:56:50,205 ¶ ¶ 1026 00:56:50,207 --> 00:56:53,942 I had cofounded a DNA interest group, 1027 00:56:54,077 --> 00:56:57,679 and we had gone to dinner after one of our meetings, 1028 00:56:57,681 --> 00:57:00,882 and I was talking about Paul's case. 1029 00:57:01,018 --> 00:57:02,351 ¶ ¶ 1030 00:57:02,486 --> 00:57:04,219 - We would always go and have drinks, 1031 00:57:04,355 --> 00:57:05,620 which was really the best part. 1032 00:57:05,756 --> 00:57:06,822 - It was the best part. 1033 00:57:06,957 --> 00:57:09,624 - It was kind of a core group of us. 1034 00:57:09,626 --> 00:57:12,761 - CeCe offered that, if I had empty time, 1035 00:57:12,896 --> 00:57:14,495 I could fill it up with this. 1036 00:57:14,497 --> 00:57:17,766 And boy, did that turn out to be true. 1037 00:57:17,901 --> 00:57:19,701 - It was all women, 1038 00:57:19,703 --> 00:57:21,703 all taking time away from their families 1039 00:57:21,838 --> 00:57:24,305 to try to help Paul find his answers. 1040 00:57:24,307 --> 00:57:30,845 ¶ ¶ 1041 00:57:30,847 --> 00:57:32,647 - The DNA is sequenced, 1042 00:57:32,649 --> 00:57:36,518 and then that sequence is unique to Paul. 1043 00:57:36,653 --> 00:57:39,521 Then they run that sequence up against everybody else 1044 00:57:39,656 --> 00:57:43,324 in the database, so when you get your matches, 1045 00:57:43,326 --> 00:57:45,794 you could get a thousand matches. 1046 00:57:46,397 --> 00:57:51,466 So there were a thousand people potentially to reach out to. 1047 00:57:51,468 --> 00:57:54,269 Paul didn't really have a sense of what was going on, 1048 00:57:54,405 --> 00:57:58,807 and part of the reason is because, how do you explain? 1049 00:57:58,942 --> 00:58:02,143 You know, we didn't have anything to show him. 1050 00:58:02,279 --> 00:58:04,413 Almost all the time, we had nothing to show him. 1051 00:58:04,548 --> 00:58:07,883 ¶ ¶ 1052 00:58:08,018 --> 00:58:09,551 - He didn't know who he could trust. 1053 00:58:09,686 --> 00:58:13,021 But we knew that we were gonna solve the case. 1054 00:58:13,156 --> 00:58:14,689 But it was hard to convince him 1055 00:58:14,825 --> 00:58:17,559 that we were the ones that were gonna do it. 1056 00:58:17,694 --> 00:58:22,497 ¶ ¶ 1057 00:58:22,499 --> 00:58:24,766 - They were called the Search Angels. 1058 00:58:24,768 --> 00:58:28,904 And their mission was to help people, using DNA, 1059 00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:31,372 to build their family trees. 1060 00:58:31,374 --> 00:58:32,974 But I wasn't getting anywhere. 1061 00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:36,778 No biological hits. No family. 1062 00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:39,380 And all of a sudden, this name popped up: 1063 00:58:39,382 --> 00:58:43,051 Alan Fisch. And it said second cousin. 1064 00:58:43,186 --> 00:58:50,092 ¶ ¶ 1065 00:58:51,261 --> 00:58:52,461 I thought, "This is huge." 1066 00:58:52,595 --> 00:58:54,195 Because when we're second cousins, 1067 00:58:54,331 --> 00:58:55,797 we share great-grandparents. 1068 00:58:55,799 --> 00:58:57,933 ¶ ¶ 1069 00:58:58,068 --> 00:58:59,600 So Alan and I decided 1070 00:58:59,602 --> 00:59:02,070 that we would meet in New York. 1071 00:59:02,205 --> 00:59:04,940 And he was super excited, and I was--I was ecstatic, 1072 00:59:05,075 --> 00:59:07,676 because I've been on these DNA sites for a long time, 1073 00:59:07,811 --> 00:59:09,611 with zero hits on family. 1074 00:59:09,746 --> 00:59:16,685 ¶ ¶ 1075 00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:22,957 - It was so exciting to hear that he had a second cousin. 1076 00:59:22,959 --> 00:59:26,828 And I thought, "Oh, great, this is gonna be easy," right? 1077 00:59:26,830 --> 00:59:29,965 But when I learned that Alan was adopted, 1078 00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:34,569 that was pretty crushing, because we had found a match 1079 00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:36,237 who didn't know his family tree either. 1080 00:59:36,373 --> 00:59:43,278 ¶ ¶ 1081 00:59:45,382 --> 00:59:47,782 So it wasn't really gonna help us 1082 00:59:47,784 --> 00:59:49,851 resolve Paul's mystery 1083 00:59:49,853 --> 00:59:52,321 unless we could solve Alan's mystery as well. 1084 00:59:54,457 --> 00:59:59,060 The good news is that Alan was legally adopted, 1085 00:59:59,196 --> 01:00:01,996 unlike Paul, who had been abandoned, 1086 01:00:01,998 --> 01:00:04,465 so there were records in existence 1087 01:00:04,467 --> 01:00:06,868 that would tell us who Alan's birth parents were, 1088 01:00:07,003 --> 01:00:08,870 at least who his birth mother was. 1089 01:00:08,872 --> 01:00:16,211 ¶ ¶ 1090 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,146 - A couple of days before we're supposed 1091 01:00:18,281 --> 01:00:20,215 to meet in New York, 1092 01:00:20,350 --> 01:00:22,718 Alan wakes up, and he's not feeling well. 1093 01:00:24,287 --> 01:00:26,088 So he goes to the hospital. 1094 01:00:27,290 --> 01:00:29,824 A couple hours later, Alan was dead. 1095 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:36,565 ¶ ¶ 1096 01:00:36,699 --> 01:00:40,769 I remember driving home, and I pulled over, 1097 01:00:40,904 --> 01:00:44,439 and I just started crying. 1098 01:00:44,575 --> 01:00:46,375 And he'll never see his children again, 1099 01:00:46,509 --> 01:00:48,443 his wife again. 1100 01:00:48,579 --> 01:00:53,448 ¶ ¶ 1101 01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:55,049 And he was just-- he was just there. 1102 01:00:55,051 --> 01:00:56,718 He was excited to meet. 1103 01:00:56,853 --> 01:00:59,121 And all of a sudden, it's--he's just gone. 1104 01:01:00,857 --> 01:01:03,458 - I just felt terrible for Alan's family-- 1105 01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:07,396 the loss of such a warm, enthusiastic person. 1106 01:01:07,530 --> 01:01:10,932 And Paul--he'd already been through so much. 1107 01:01:10,934 --> 01:01:16,405 ¶ ¶ 1108 01:01:16,539 --> 01:01:20,208 But even though Alan was deceased, 1109 01:01:20,343 --> 01:01:22,277 we were able to successfully 1110 01:01:22,412 --> 01:01:25,414 get his adoption record unsealed, 1111 01:01:25,548 --> 01:01:28,216 and so we learned who his biological mother was. 1112 01:01:28,351 --> 01:01:31,219 [distant pop vocals] 1113 01:01:31,354 --> 01:01:33,622 ¶ ¶ 1114 01:01:33,756 --> 01:01:35,824 We learned that Alan's birth mother 1115 01:01:35,959 --> 01:01:37,959 was very young at the time. 1116 01:01:38,895 --> 01:01:41,162 So I knew that his biological father 1117 01:01:41,298 --> 01:01:42,631 either went to high school with her 1118 01:01:42,765 --> 01:01:45,233 or at least lived in the neighborhood. 1119 01:01:45,368 --> 01:01:49,570 ¶ ¶ 1120 01:01:49,572 --> 01:01:51,440 Now, there's a lot of people, obviously. 1121 01:01:51,574 --> 01:01:53,642 That doesn't narrow it down. 1122 01:01:53,777 --> 01:01:56,377 But there was a name, Rocco, 1123 01:01:56,379 --> 01:02:00,115 that appeared in Alan's genetic network. 1124 01:02:00,250 --> 01:02:03,251 And when I had a conference call 1125 01:02:03,386 --> 01:02:05,920 with our team here, 1126 01:02:06,056 --> 01:02:08,389 a name came up, and they said, 1127 01:02:08,391 --> 01:02:10,992 "You know, there was a guy named Lenny Rocco 1128 01:02:11,127 --> 01:02:13,794 that was a boxer who lived in that area." 1129 01:02:13,796 --> 01:02:20,736 ¶ ¶ 1130 01:02:23,139 --> 01:02:27,208 - My name is Lenny Rocco. Grew up in South Philadelphia. 1131 01:02:28,211 --> 01:02:32,080 I boxed and became a boxer for a couple of years. 1132 01:02:32,215 --> 01:02:35,684 After that, the show business thing came into effect, 1133 01:02:35,818 --> 01:02:39,220 and really enjoyed that. 1134 01:02:39,356 --> 01:02:41,289 I got a phone call. 1135 01:02:41,424 --> 01:02:44,693 And on that phone, I hear a beautiful voice saying, 1136 01:02:44,828 --> 01:02:48,162 "Do you know a girl by the name of Marlin?" 1137 01:02:48,164 --> 01:02:52,367 And I--"Oh, my God, yeah." I was 15 years old, 1138 01:02:52,502 --> 01:02:54,569 and this girl lived up the street. 1139 01:02:54,571 --> 01:02:58,306 Supposedly had a crush me. I won't go into details. 1140 01:02:58,441 --> 01:03:02,711 But five seconds, maybe ten, at the most. 1141 01:03:02,846 --> 01:03:04,779 That was the end of the whole relationship. 1142 01:03:04,781 --> 01:03:09,518 Gone. 1143 01:03:09,652 --> 01:03:13,121 She said, "I have good news, and I have bad news." 1144 01:03:13,256 --> 01:03:14,855 I said, "Well, what's the good news?" 1145 01:03:14,857 --> 01:03:19,528 She said, "You're the father of Alan Fisch. 1146 01:03:19,662 --> 01:03:24,799 He's been searching for you for a long time." 1147 01:03:24,935 --> 01:03:29,070 I get a little emotional. Excuse me. 1148 01:03:29,205 --> 01:03:32,607 I mean, this was just a strangest experience 1149 01:03:32,609 --> 01:03:33,874 that anybody could experience. 1150 01:03:33,876 --> 01:03:35,276 It was amazing. 1151 01:03:35,412 --> 01:03:38,813 ¶ ¶ 1152 01:03:38,815 --> 01:03:41,215 I said, "Wait a minute. What was the bad news?" 1153 01:03:41,217 --> 01:03:43,952 "He passed away eight months ago." 1154 01:03:44,087 --> 01:03:46,755 So they lifted me up and then dropped me down. 1155 01:03:46,889 --> 01:03:49,824 Because if I have a son, I want to meet him. 1156 01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:53,428 ¶ ¶ 1157 01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:56,364 And she said, "There's another fellow, 1158 01:03:56,499 --> 01:03:58,366 "a Paul Fronczak, 1159 01:03:58,501 --> 01:04:01,369 "that's searching for his parents. 1160 01:04:01,504 --> 01:04:04,505 He ended up being related to Alan." 1161 01:04:04,641 --> 01:04:09,177 And I'm thinking, "Oh, my God, so whoever this fellow is, 1162 01:04:09,312 --> 01:04:13,114 "looking, he's looking for his parents, 1163 01:04:13,116 --> 01:04:16,384 and they're related. He's got to be related to me!" 1164 01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:20,521 ¶ ¶ 1165 01:04:20,523 --> 01:04:24,392 - When Lenny's results came back and we learned 1166 01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:27,395 that he was Alan's biological father, 1167 01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:29,464 that was huge. 1168 01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:31,132 Now, we had someone 1169 01:04:31,267 --> 01:04:34,803 sharing about 6% of Paul's DNA. 1170 01:04:35,672 --> 01:04:38,739 That told us that one of Lenny's first cousins 1171 01:04:38,741 --> 01:04:41,376 should be one of Paul's birth parents. 1172 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,546 That was amazing, 1173 01:04:45,682 --> 01:04:48,350 and I knew we were starting to go in the right direction. 1174 01:04:52,155 --> 01:04:53,287 So even though I was focused 1175 01:04:53,289 --> 01:04:55,223 on getting the answers for Paul 1176 01:04:55,358 --> 01:04:57,158 about his own identity, 1177 01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,226 I was still helping him 1178 01:04:58,361 --> 01:05:00,161 with who might be the real Paul 1179 01:05:00,163 --> 01:05:04,965 and finding the real Paul for his parents. 1180 01:05:04,967 --> 01:05:10,505 It was clear that this was of ultimate importance to him, 1181 01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,974 and this is something that he desperately needed-- 1182 01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:15,176 not just wanted, but needed. 1183 01:05:21,718 --> 01:05:24,785 - As everything played out and we got deeper into it, 1184 01:05:24,787 --> 01:05:26,187 it was on the news. 1185 01:05:26,189 --> 01:05:27,588 We used to get strange phone calls. 1186 01:05:27,724 --> 01:05:29,590 We used to get letters in the mail. 1187 01:05:29,592 --> 01:05:31,125 "I think I'm the real Paul Fronczak." 1188 01:05:31,261 --> 01:05:33,061 "I think my dad is." 1189 01:05:33,996 --> 01:05:36,998 I was supportive, but when our life became a circus, 1190 01:05:37,133 --> 01:05:40,268 that's when I started to become frustrated, 1191 01:05:40,403 --> 01:05:42,871 because he then became obsessed. 1192 01:05:43,005 --> 01:05:44,873 [somber music] 1193 01:05:45,007 --> 01:05:47,341 He would come home from work and get on the computer. 1194 01:05:47,343 --> 01:05:48,609 He would be checking emails. 1195 01:05:48,745 --> 01:05:51,345 He would be talking to George on the phone. 1196 01:05:51,347 --> 01:05:53,414 He was so focused on that 1197 01:05:53,550 --> 01:05:55,283 that he was letting everything else in his life go. 1198 01:05:55,418 --> 01:05:57,818 He wasn't focused on all the good that he did have. 1199 01:05:57,820 --> 01:06:00,621 ¶ ¶ 1200 01:06:00,757 --> 01:06:04,358 - I think Michelle would think I was obsessed. 1201 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,427 I was just committed. 1202 01:06:06,429 --> 01:06:11,832 And I-I... 1203 01:06:11,834 --> 01:06:14,835 I could have been more present 1204 01:06:14,837 --> 01:06:18,039 at that moment with my family. 1205 01:06:18,174 --> 01:06:20,575 But I thought I was working towards a greater good. 1206 01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:27,181 ¶ ¶ 1207 01:06:27,183 --> 01:06:33,121 Trust no one. I like the "X-Files." 1208 01:06:35,926 --> 01:06:39,260 - Is that your life philosophy, then? 1209 01:06:39,262 --> 01:06:41,296 - Yes. It really is. 1210 01:06:50,673 --> 01:06:54,342 ¶ ¶ 1211 01:06:54,477 --> 01:06:56,877 - I don't know that there was any one moment 1212 01:06:56,879 --> 01:06:58,346 where I thought, "We can't do this," 1213 01:06:58,481 --> 01:06:59,814 or, "This is impossible." 1214 01:06:59,950 --> 01:07:04,619 I think the more that he was absent from our day-to-day life 1215 01:07:04,754 --> 01:07:07,689 and, you know, we started fighting about things... 1216 01:07:10,961 --> 01:07:12,994 I just knew. Like, this needs to stop. 1217 01:07:15,298 --> 01:07:16,430 But never in a million years 1218 01:07:16,432 --> 01:07:18,066 did I think I was gonna be divorced. 1219 01:07:20,102 --> 01:07:21,569 I don't like talking about this stuff. 1220 01:07:21,704 --> 01:07:23,504 I don't want to talk about this anymore. 1221 01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:30,244 ¶ ¶ 1222 01:07:30,246 --> 01:07:32,446 - We started to build out Lenny's family tree 1223 01:07:32,448 --> 01:07:35,850 because we knew we had to find somebody 1224 01:07:35,986 --> 01:07:37,718 who was living to test for DNA. 1225 01:07:37,854 --> 01:07:40,254 But we were starting to run out of people. 1226 01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:41,722 We found that Lenny had 1227 01:07:41,858 --> 01:07:44,793 two cousins named Gilbert and Leonard. 1228 01:07:45,395 --> 01:07:49,664 Gilbert was dead, and Leonard had disappeared. 1229 01:07:49,799 --> 01:07:53,068 But I managed to track down his ex-wife Lynn. 1230 01:07:55,338 --> 01:07:58,006 - I wondered whether she would maybe talk, 1231 01:07:58,140 --> 01:08:00,575 and so I decided to give her a call. 1232 01:08:09,752 --> 01:08:13,287 [line trilling] 1233 01:08:13,289 --> 01:08:15,623 - So, from Florida, Lynn started telling me 1234 01:08:15,758 --> 01:08:18,927 a little bit about Gilbert and his wife, Marie. 1235 01:08:21,297 --> 01:08:23,431 They were kind of a secretive couple 1236 01:08:23,566 --> 01:08:25,700 who mostly kept to themselves. 1237 01:08:25,835 --> 01:08:28,636 And we knew that Gilbert and Marie had three children, 1238 01:08:28,771 --> 01:08:35,576 but Lynn revealed to me that they also had a set of twins 1239 01:08:35,712 --> 01:08:38,312 who were around the same age as Paul. 1240 01:08:38,314 --> 01:08:41,249 She remembered visiting the family, 1241 01:08:41,384 --> 01:08:42,851 but one year the twins were there, 1242 01:08:42,985 --> 01:08:44,652 and the next year they visited, 1243 01:08:44,787 --> 01:08:46,520 they had vanished. 1244 01:08:46,522 --> 01:08:49,457 And no one in the family knew where they were. 1245 01:08:49,592 --> 01:08:52,526 [moody music] 1246 01:08:52,528 --> 01:08:58,199 ¶ ¶ 1247 01:08:58,334 --> 01:09:00,000 - I mean, my hands were shaking. 1248 01:09:00,002 --> 01:09:01,535 - We were in shock. 1249 01:09:01,537 --> 01:09:04,205 - I was shocked to hear that these twins existed. 1250 01:09:04,340 --> 01:09:07,275 ¶ ¶ 1251 01:09:07,410 --> 01:09:09,677 Knowing that Gilbert and Marie's family 1252 01:09:09,812 --> 01:09:15,215 had contained twins that were now unaccounted for-- 1253 01:09:15,217 --> 01:09:18,352 we needed to figure out exactly when they were born, 1254 01:09:18,354 --> 01:09:21,556 what she remembered about them, what their names were. 1255 01:09:21,691 --> 01:09:25,760 ¶ ¶ 1256 01:09:25,895 --> 01:09:28,429 And she did remember that they were either born 1257 01:09:28,564 --> 01:09:31,632 in October of '62 or October of '63, 1258 01:09:31,768 --> 01:09:34,168 and she was absolutely certain of that 1259 01:09:34,304 --> 01:09:37,371 because she remembered that the twins were born 1260 01:09:37,373 --> 01:09:39,039 on their older sister's birthday. 1261 01:09:39,041 --> 01:09:40,841 ¶ ¶ 1262 01:09:40,977 --> 01:09:43,778 And in fact, she remembered that there had been 1263 01:09:43,913 --> 01:09:45,846 a newspaper article published 1264 01:09:45,982 --> 01:09:47,916 because it was such an unusual thing. 1265 01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:50,250 ¶ ¶ 1266 01:09:50,252 --> 01:09:52,987 She knew that she had seen this newspaper article 1267 01:09:53,123 --> 01:09:54,923 at some point. 1268 01:09:55,057 --> 01:09:59,928 So that was really a big, big piece of information, 1269 01:10:00,062 --> 01:10:03,464 because if we could find that newspaper article 1270 01:10:03,466 --> 01:10:04,665 about the birth of these twins, 1271 01:10:04,801 --> 01:10:06,267 we could prove that they existed. 1272 01:10:06,402 --> 01:10:12,907 ¶ ¶ 1273 01:10:35,031 --> 01:10:37,898 - I was at work, 1274 01:10:37,900 --> 01:10:40,201 and CeCe texted me, "Can you talk?" 1275 01:10:42,038 --> 01:10:43,437 She said, "Everyone's here. 1276 01:10:43,573 --> 01:10:45,640 The team's here. We're all on speakerphone." 1277 01:10:46,242 --> 01:10:49,077 And she said, "What do you think of the name Jack?" 1278 01:10:51,714 --> 01:10:53,314 And I said, "That's a good name. 1279 01:10:53,449 --> 01:10:55,383 That's a strong name." 1280 01:10:55,518 --> 01:10:57,719 She said, "That's your name." 1281 01:11:01,123 --> 01:11:04,192 And before I could even process that, 1282 01:11:04,326 --> 01:11:09,129 she's like, "But there's more. 1283 01:11:09,131 --> 01:11:11,799 "You had a twin sister. 1284 01:11:11,934 --> 01:11:17,272 And her name is Jill. And she vanished." 1285 01:11:19,341 --> 01:11:20,741 And I was like, "What the fuck?" 1286 01:11:20,743 --> 01:11:22,677 [mysterious music] 1287 01:11:22,812 --> 01:11:25,213 ¶ ¶ 1288 01:11:25,347 --> 01:11:27,615 I get this elation to find out 1289 01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:30,218 that I think we might know who I am. 1290 01:11:30,352 --> 01:11:32,286 I know my name now. 1291 01:11:32,422 --> 01:11:34,022 But then it's taken away immediately, 1292 01:11:34,156 --> 01:11:36,090 with the fact that I had a twin sister, 1293 01:11:36,092 --> 01:11:39,427 which is huge news in--by itself, 1294 01:11:39,562 --> 01:11:41,495 but the fact that she was missing too. 1295 01:11:41,497 --> 01:11:44,832 ¶ ¶ 1296 01:11:44,967 --> 01:11:46,367 I've got to find out more about this. 1297 01:11:46,502 --> 01:11:47,968 I need to find out the family, the story, 1298 01:11:48,104 --> 01:11:51,371 where are we from, all these things. 1299 01:11:51,373 --> 01:11:52,907 I've got to find Jill. 1300 01:11:53,042 --> 01:11:55,309 I've got to find my twin sister now. 1301 01:11:55,311 --> 01:12:02,250 ¶ ¶ 1302 01:12:12,862 --> 01:12:14,328 - So it includes Philly cheese steak... 1303 01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:15,263 - Okay, it's got everything. 1304 01:12:15,398 --> 01:12:16,597 Right? Dijon... 1305 01:12:16,599 --> 01:12:20,000 - And it even comes with Jack cheese. 1306 01:12:20,002 --> 01:12:21,969 I just noticed that. - [laughs] 1307 01:12:23,806 --> 01:12:26,674 Jack cheese! - Oh, my gosh. 1308 01:12:26,809 --> 01:12:30,544 I'm gonna get the sausage patties and eggs. 1309 01:12:30,546 --> 01:12:31,946 - Excellent choice, madam. 1310 01:12:31,948 --> 01:12:33,948 - Actually, I do have a question for you, 1311 01:12:34,083 --> 01:12:35,616 now that I think about it. 1312 01:12:35,618 --> 01:12:37,551 - What's that? - How many names do you have? 1313 01:12:37,553 --> 01:12:41,021 - So, I have Jack, Scott, Paul-- 1314 01:12:41,157 --> 01:12:42,823 - Wait, why are you--you're Scott? 1315 01:12:42,959 --> 01:12:45,826 - I was Scott too. - Did I not--Scott McKinley. 1316 01:12:45,962 --> 01:12:48,096 - Scott McKinley. Yeah. 1317 01:12:48,230 --> 01:12:49,630 But the most important name is what? 1318 01:12:49,765 --> 01:12:51,833 - Daddy. 1319 01:12:55,972 --> 01:12:57,571 - So, do you want to know about Jill? 1320 01:12:57,707 --> 01:12:59,974 - Think she's still alive? - Do I think she's still alive? 1321 01:13:00,109 --> 01:13:03,511 I hope she's still alive. I'm gonna find her either way. 1322 01:13:03,646 --> 01:13:05,446 You want to help me find her? 1323 01:13:05,581 --> 01:13:07,581 - I mean, as long as I don't have to dig 1324 01:13:07,583 --> 01:13:10,017 anything from the ground, then yeah, I'm down. 1325 01:13:11,854 --> 01:13:13,688 - Well, hopefully she's alive. 1326 01:13:15,791 --> 01:13:17,925 - First thing is track her location. 1327 01:13:19,595 --> 01:13:21,529 Find my iPhone. And then boom. 1328 01:13:21,664 --> 01:13:23,798 Welcome. Meet Jill. 1329 01:13:23,933 --> 01:13:26,334 Best friends reunite. Ta-da. And done. 1330 01:13:26,468 --> 01:13:28,736 - How cool would that be? 1331 01:13:28,871 --> 01:13:30,338 - Ready? - Yes. 1332 01:13:30,473 --> 01:13:33,341 - Yes. Thank you. 1333 01:13:33,476 --> 01:13:36,010 - Thank you very much. 1334 01:13:36,746 --> 01:13:38,478 I found out that my real family-- 1335 01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:41,615 I had two older sisters and a younger brother. 1336 01:13:41,617 --> 01:13:45,820 One older sister passed away at a very young age, 1337 01:13:45,955 --> 01:13:47,621 which is very concerning for me, 1338 01:13:47,757 --> 01:13:49,957 because the main reason 1339 01:13:50,092 --> 01:13:53,093 I started this was to let my daughter know 1340 01:13:53,095 --> 01:13:54,962 about my true medical history. 1341 01:13:55,097 --> 01:13:58,966 ¶ ¶ 1342 01:13:59,101 --> 01:14:02,770 I was able to reach out to my younger brother. 1343 01:14:02,905 --> 01:14:06,707 And he informed me that he had no idea 1344 01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:09,310 that he had a brother and sister. 1345 01:14:11,381 --> 01:14:14,114 At first, he was very open with me, 1346 01:14:14,116 --> 01:14:16,717 and apologized for what happened, 1347 01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:19,519 and then he did a complete 180 and said, 1348 01:14:19,521 --> 01:14:20,988 "I want nothing to do with this. 1349 01:14:21,123 --> 01:14:23,090 I think it's a scam. Don't contact me again." 1350 01:14:24,394 --> 01:14:29,797 I was able to meet my older sister, 1351 01:14:29,932 --> 01:14:34,602 who kind of said she never heard of the twins, 1352 01:14:34,737 --> 01:14:38,639 but also seemed like she was guarded. 1353 01:14:40,810 --> 01:14:43,544 So it's--it makes me wonder, you know? 1354 01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:45,580 What--what do they really know? 1355 01:14:46,949 --> 01:14:49,283 So right here? - Sure. Can you go further? 1356 01:14:49,285 --> 01:14:51,685 - Okay. 1357 01:14:51,687 --> 01:14:53,754 Most people know where they came from. 1358 01:14:53,756 --> 01:14:56,757 They know their history. They know their upbringing. 1359 01:14:56,892 --> 01:15:01,429 I really don't. 1360 01:15:01,564 --> 01:15:04,832 - Nice job! - Thanks. 1361 01:15:04,967 --> 01:15:07,301 That pain is with me every day. 1362 01:15:07,303 --> 01:15:09,770 But I just choose not to think about it. 1363 01:15:10,572 --> 01:15:14,574 I do want to experience things more emotionally. 1364 01:15:14,576 --> 01:15:19,046 I want to be human. 1365 01:15:19,181 --> 01:15:20,581 So I want to go back 1366 01:15:20,716 --> 01:15:22,650 and understand why everything happened. 1367 01:15:23,719 --> 01:15:25,786 And if I understand why it happened, 1368 01:15:25,788 --> 01:15:30,024 I think that'll help me-- help me move forward. 1369 01:15:35,465 --> 01:15:38,332 So right now, I'm heading towards Atlantic City 1370 01:15:38,334 --> 01:15:40,268 to meet with my second cousin Tobe. 1371 01:15:42,538 --> 01:15:45,606 Atlantic City was my home. I was born there. 1372 01:15:45,741 --> 01:15:50,544 I lived the first two years of my life there. 1373 01:15:50,546 --> 01:15:55,283 I'd like to find out how two children 1374 01:15:55,417 --> 01:15:59,487 that were there completely vanished 1375 01:15:59,621 --> 01:16:01,989 and were never thought of or spoken of again. 1376 01:16:03,225 --> 01:16:04,358 [laughs] 1377 01:16:04,494 --> 01:16:08,963 This is really fucked up. Like, this is, like-- 1378 01:16:09,098 --> 01:16:10,964 I've watched a lot of movies. 1379 01:16:10,966 --> 01:16:12,633 I've never seen a movie this fucked up. 1380 01:16:12,768 --> 01:16:17,771 I mean, this is really twisted. 1381 01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:19,774 It's like a "Twilight Zone." 1382 01:16:21,511 --> 01:16:24,378 [ethereal music] 1383 01:16:24,514 --> 01:16:31,452 ¶ ¶ 1384 01:17:04,086 --> 01:17:08,689 - So, your father was a nice person, originally. 1385 01:17:08,824 --> 01:17:12,159 That--this whole thing is very difficult for me to understand. 1386 01:17:12,828 --> 01:17:15,495 Gilbert and I would come on the boardwalk, 1387 01:17:15,497 --> 01:17:17,097 and then we would just walk, and we would have fun, 1388 01:17:17,233 --> 01:17:19,499 and we would play in the ocean together. 1389 01:17:19,501 --> 01:17:23,103 And he was just a very kind, nice boy. 1390 01:17:23,239 --> 01:17:26,040 The last time I spoke to Gilbert 1391 01:17:26,175 --> 01:17:31,445 is when he came back from Korea with shell shock, 1392 01:17:31,581 --> 01:17:33,748 as they called it then--and I knew that. 1393 01:17:35,851 --> 01:17:36,984 He was a different person. 1394 01:17:37,119 --> 01:17:39,186 But I never realized 1395 01:17:39,321 --> 01:17:42,856 what he had gone through from the war. 1396 01:17:42,858 --> 01:17:45,192 And he--when he came back, he was a different person. 1397 01:17:45,327 --> 01:17:47,094 He was not the Gilbert I know. 1398 01:17:48,464 --> 01:17:49,597 - All right, so Tobe, 1399 01:17:49,732 --> 01:17:51,465 what do you-what do you see in that picture? 1400 01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:56,070 - Well, I see your mother. 1401 01:17:56,205 --> 01:17:58,506 I see she's pregnant. She looks happy. 1402 01:17:59,741 --> 01:18:01,875 I have no idea who the girl would be. 1403 01:18:02,011 --> 01:18:03,944 - I believe that's my older sister. 1404 01:18:05,948 --> 01:18:11,685 - Marie was very quiet. They were like two shadows. 1405 01:18:11,821 --> 01:18:14,021 Like, Gilbert would make a decision, 1406 01:18:14,156 --> 01:18:15,956 and Marie would go along with it. 1407 01:18:16,091 --> 01:18:18,225 I really did not hear her talk too much. 1408 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,894 - Marie's pregnant with Jack and Jill right there, 1409 01:18:20,896 --> 01:18:25,032 'cause this is from August '63. We were born in October. 1410 01:18:25,167 --> 01:18:26,366 - Well, she looks happy, 1411 01:18:26,502 --> 01:18:28,536 so I don't know what happened along the way. 1412 01:18:29,771 --> 01:18:31,839 - Something sure snapped. 1413 01:18:36,378 --> 01:18:37,911 A woman called Susan 1414 01:18:38,047 --> 01:18:39,980 has contacted me through my website. 1415 01:18:40,650 --> 01:18:43,384 She says she was a neighbor here in Atlantic City. 1416 01:18:45,587 --> 01:18:48,922 And knew me and my sister when we were babies. 1417 01:18:49,058 --> 01:18:50,590 Nice to meet you. 1418 01:18:50,592 --> 01:18:52,460 - Oh, my God, look at you. - How's everything going? 1419 01:18:52,594 --> 01:18:53,861 I'm Jack. 1420 01:18:53,996 --> 01:18:56,530 - Hi, Jack. 1421 01:18:56,666 --> 01:18:59,399 This is me when I was 14, turning 15. 1422 01:18:59,535 --> 01:19:03,537 It was when I babysat for you. Just one time. 1423 01:19:03,539 --> 01:19:05,873 I used to babysit for the people next door, 1424 01:19:06,008 --> 01:19:09,943 and as I was coming out one day, your mother Marie-- 1425 01:19:09,945 --> 01:19:14,147 she had asked me if I would babysit the girls, 1426 01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:15,549 your sisters. 1427 01:19:15,685 --> 01:19:18,819 And I told her I would do that. When I got there, 1428 01:19:18,954 --> 01:19:22,690 she said that the girls could sleep anywhere they wanted, 1429 01:19:22,824 --> 01:19:25,225 they could have anything they wanted to eat. 1430 01:19:25,627 --> 01:19:28,161 I didn't need to bother with the twins upstairs. 1431 01:19:28,163 --> 01:19:29,763 - How did you know that there were twins up there? 1432 01:19:29,899 --> 01:19:31,164 Did she come out and say that? 1433 01:19:31,166 --> 01:19:32,700 - She told me, "The twins are upstairs." 1434 01:19:32,835 --> 01:19:35,035 She said, "You don't have to bother with them." 1435 01:19:35,838 --> 01:19:39,373 I didn't know that she had twins to begin with. 1436 01:19:39,508 --> 01:19:41,975 And once she left, I went upstairs, 1437 01:19:42,111 --> 01:19:43,310 because I couldn't understand 1438 01:19:43,445 --> 01:19:47,781 how you could not take care of babies. 1439 01:19:47,917 --> 01:19:49,116 So I went upstairs, 1440 01:19:49,251 --> 01:19:53,120 and when I walked into your room, 1441 01:19:53,255 --> 01:19:56,990 you had--your crib was here, and Jill's crib was here. 1442 01:19:57,126 --> 01:19:59,593 And that's all there was in that room. 1443 01:19:59,595 --> 01:20:00,860 - No toys? Nothing? 1444 01:20:00,862 --> 01:20:03,263 - No. I didn't see any toys. 1445 01:20:03,399 --> 01:20:05,132 And it smelled. 1446 01:20:05,267 --> 01:20:10,003 The sheets on the bed were stained from urine. 1447 01:20:10,139 --> 01:20:16,877 And I walked over to your crib, and you were dirty. 1448 01:20:17,012 --> 01:20:19,813 You had a black eye. 1449 01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:22,550 - I had a black eye? - You had a black eye. 1450 01:20:22,684 --> 01:20:25,152 And... 1451 01:20:25,287 --> 01:20:28,155 you looked afraid. You really looked afraid. 1452 01:20:28,424 --> 01:20:29,623 Like, most babies, 1453 01:20:29,759 --> 01:20:31,491 when you walk in a room, they get all excited. 1454 01:20:31,627 --> 01:20:33,493 "There's somebody coming," you know? 1455 01:20:33,495 --> 01:20:36,163 They want the attention. You didn't do that. 1456 01:20:36,298 --> 01:20:37,231 Neither did Jill. 1457 01:20:37,366 --> 01:20:41,168 She was just sitting there, watching. 1458 01:20:41,303 --> 01:20:44,104 But when I picked her up, she was so quiet. 1459 01:20:44,106 --> 01:20:47,107 It was like she was resigned to the fact 1460 01:20:47,109 --> 01:20:48,876 that this is how it is. 1461 01:20:50,112 --> 01:20:51,378 - Wow. 1462 01:20:51,513 --> 01:20:53,046 Did you stay with us all night, in that room? 1463 01:20:53,048 --> 01:20:54,381 - Mm-hmm. Yeah. 1464 01:20:54,516 --> 01:20:56,249 And your parents didn't come home that night. 1465 01:20:56,251 --> 01:20:58,051 They didn't come home till the next day. 1466 01:20:58,053 --> 01:21:00,287 - So they went out all night. - Yeah. 1467 01:21:01,857 --> 01:21:03,657 - That's crazy. - Yeah. 1468 01:21:03,659 --> 01:21:05,659 And then--so when they came home, 1469 01:21:05,795 --> 01:21:07,661 they were angry, very angry. 1470 01:21:07,797 --> 01:21:10,063 Your mother especially was really angry. 1471 01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:11,465 - Because you actually helped us. 1472 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,068 - Yeah. And she smelled like liquor. 1473 01:21:15,204 --> 01:21:16,604 So I guess they were out partying. 1474 01:21:16,738 --> 01:21:18,472 I don't know. Your father didn't say much, 1475 01:21:18,607 --> 01:21:20,740 but he had a mean look on his face. 1476 01:21:21,276 --> 01:21:24,211 So after I left, I went home. 1477 01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,015 And my mom told me that it's none of my business. 1478 01:21:29,751 --> 01:21:33,020 So I didn't know what to do. 1479 01:21:33,155 --> 01:21:37,691 So all my life, I've wondered where you went. 1480 01:21:37,827 --> 01:21:41,629 And I really convinced myself at one point 1481 01:21:41,763 --> 01:21:44,964 that maybe they took you to relatives, 1482 01:21:44,966 --> 01:21:48,968 that maybe you had a good life, you know? 1483 01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:52,439 And--but I didn't know. 1484 01:21:52,574 --> 01:21:54,241 I didn't know what to do. 1485 01:21:54,376 --> 01:21:56,844 - It's okay. Just... 1486 01:21:57,513 --> 01:22:01,849 - [crying] 1487 01:22:01,983 --> 01:22:04,918 [ethereal music] 1488 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:11,859 ¶ ¶ 1489 01:22:30,612 --> 01:22:32,880 So, my whole life, I've always been searching for a job, 1490 01:22:33,014 --> 01:22:36,350 for a different gig, for a different girlfriend. 1491 01:22:36,485 --> 01:22:39,018 Maybe all this started 1492 01:22:39,020 --> 01:22:44,558 when I was taken apart from my twin sister. 1493 01:22:44,693 --> 01:22:46,359 You have to keep searching for something 1494 01:22:46,361 --> 01:22:48,762 to fill that void. 1495 01:22:48,898 --> 01:22:53,967 ¶ ¶ 1496 01:22:53,969 --> 01:22:56,236 I think something bad happened to Jill, 1497 01:22:56,371 --> 01:22:57,971 'cause why else would they give me away? 1498 01:22:57,973 --> 01:22:59,907 ¶ ¶ 1499 01:23:00,041 --> 01:23:04,111 But I really also want to think that she's alive. 1500 01:23:04,246 --> 01:23:07,314 Because I could have thought the same about real Paul. 1501 01:23:07,449 --> 01:23:10,784 But I didn't. 1502 01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,386 I chose to only think that he was alive. 1503 01:23:13,388 --> 01:23:20,361 ¶ ¶ 1504 01:23:33,809 --> 01:23:35,275 - This is George. 1505 01:23:35,410 --> 01:23:37,077 - Hey, George. It's Paul. 1506 01:23:37,212 --> 01:23:38,345 - Hey, man. What are you doing? 1507 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,147 - I'm doing well. Do you have a second? 1508 01:23:40,282 --> 01:23:42,081 - Yeah. Of course. 1509 01:23:42,083 --> 01:23:44,083 - Have you heard anything? 1510 01:23:44,085 --> 01:23:46,219 - We're--we're on standby. We're ready to go. 1511 01:23:46,355 --> 01:23:48,688 And when--whenever the story pops, 1512 01:23:48,690 --> 01:23:50,089 we're gonna go on the air 1513 01:23:50,091 --> 01:23:51,625 and put out the information, 1514 01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:53,293 and we'll take it from there. 1515 01:23:53,963 --> 01:23:55,295 - So, how does this usually work? 1516 01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:56,696 Like, when do these stories actually, 1517 01:23:56,832 --> 01:23:57,965 like, break--when something's gonna break? 1518 01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:00,500 - [laughs] 1519 01:24:00,636 --> 01:24:01,769 I don't think there's anything 1520 01:24:01,903 --> 01:24:03,503 about your story that's normal, 1521 01:24:03,639 --> 01:24:05,905 so for me to predict would be-- 1522 01:24:05,907 --> 01:24:07,641 it would be foolish to try. 1523 01:24:07,776 --> 01:24:10,177 Everyone is getting pretty ferocious 1524 01:24:10,312 --> 01:24:13,113 about trying to track it down and figure out who it is 1525 01:24:13,248 --> 01:24:15,849 and where they are, and I think you're probably in 1526 01:24:15,985 --> 01:24:18,385 for a little bit of a shitstorm coming. 1527 01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,053 - Wouldn't be the first time, right? 1528 01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:21,388 - No. 1529 01:24:21,523 --> 01:24:23,723 So, assuming that the information 1530 01:24:23,859 --> 01:24:25,993 that we've heard is true, that it's gonna break, 1531 01:24:26,128 --> 01:24:27,795 I'm waiting for them to come out, 1532 01:24:27,929 --> 01:24:30,597 saying that baby Paul, 1533 01:24:30,732 --> 01:24:34,734 the child that was kidnapped 55 years ago, is alive. 1534 01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:38,071 [upbeat music] 1535 01:24:38,073 --> 01:24:41,608 - A baby mysteriously kidnapped in 1964 1536 01:24:41,743 --> 01:24:44,812 may finally have been found, more than half a century later. 1537 01:24:46,481 --> 01:24:49,549 - 55 years after Paul Fronczak's disappearance, 1538 01:24:49,685 --> 01:24:52,085 George Knapp says he's been found. 1539 01:24:52,621 --> 01:24:54,287 Fronczak's now living in Michigan 1540 01:24:54,423 --> 01:24:55,889 and has kids of his own. 1541 01:24:55,891 --> 01:24:58,892 - His children became convinced that their dad 1542 01:24:58,894 --> 01:25:03,162 was the real deal, was the real Paul. 1543 01:25:03,164 --> 01:25:05,499 - Their father, whose DNA matched the baby's, 1544 01:25:05,634 --> 01:25:07,901 wants to remain anonymous. 1545 01:25:07,903 --> 01:25:09,436 - Imagine what a shock it would be. 1546 01:25:09,571 --> 01:25:13,173 You're 55 years old. You think you know who you are. 1547 01:25:13,709 --> 01:25:15,642 You think you know who your family is. 1548 01:25:15,777 --> 01:25:18,177 And you suddenly get a bolt out of the blue 1549 01:25:18,179 --> 01:25:20,513 that tells you you're not that guy after all. 1550 01:25:20,515 --> 01:25:22,916 You're this guy. You were a kidnapped baby. 1551 01:25:23,719 --> 01:25:26,653 - So far, the man believed to be the true Paul Fronczak 1552 01:25:26,788 --> 01:25:28,822 has not reunited with his mother. 1553 01:25:36,998 --> 01:25:39,999 [desolate ambient music] 1554 01:25:40,001 --> 01:25:46,940 ¶ ¶ 1555 01:26:06,161 --> 01:26:09,829 - I can't imagine waking up and being told my mom 1556 01:26:09,831 --> 01:26:11,532 wasn't my mom. 1557 01:26:13,969 --> 01:26:18,605 It just caught my father completely off guard. 1558 01:26:20,776 --> 01:26:24,711 And it took him quite a while 1559 01:26:24,846 --> 01:26:31,384 to even fully understand what did happen, 1560 01:26:31,386 --> 01:26:33,921 that there was a kidnapping, 1561 01:26:34,055 --> 01:26:38,792 that the baby never reappeared, 1562 01:26:38,927 --> 01:26:41,028 and that it was him. 1563 01:26:44,666 --> 01:26:47,534 [moody string music] 1564 01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:52,672 ¶ ¶ 1565 01:26:52,674 --> 01:26:55,175 - We are the real Paul Fronczak's daughters. 1566 01:27:01,016 --> 01:27:03,750 - Our father's a very private man, 1567 01:27:03,885 --> 01:27:06,753 and we wish to respect that. 1568 01:27:06,888 --> 01:27:12,826 ¶ ¶ 1569 01:27:12,828 --> 01:27:15,428 - I ordered a DNA kit from online, 1570 01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:21,100 thinking I wanted to learn more about our family. 1571 01:27:21,102 --> 01:27:25,972 And it came back that I had a connection with somebody 1572 01:27:26,107 --> 01:27:28,308 who I'd never heard of as a relative. 1573 01:27:28,443 --> 01:27:31,310 And that person told me that there was a possibility 1574 01:27:31,312 --> 01:27:34,181 that we would have some kind of connection to this story. 1575 01:27:34,315 --> 01:27:38,986 So we did another DNA test to confirm it. 1576 01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:45,325 ¶ ¶ 1577 01:27:45,460 --> 01:27:47,794 - He was raised by a single mom. 1578 01:27:47,929 --> 01:27:50,063 - Our grandmother. 1579 01:27:50,065 --> 01:27:51,998 - She loved him. 1580 01:27:52,934 --> 01:27:54,401 - Our grandma was being accused 1581 01:27:54,536 --> 01:27:56,003 of being the kidnapper, 1582 01:27:56,137 --> 01:27:59,472 but there were no facts, and there still are no facts, 1583 01:27:59,608 --> 01:28:02,809 for us to know what happened and how he was kidnapped. 1584 01:28:02,944 --> 01:28:09,916 ¶ ¶ 1585 01:28:15,624 --> 01:28:19,759 - This was a huge shock, 1586 01:28:19,895 --> 01:28:24,697 and it came at the same time 1587 01:28:24,699 --> 01:28:28,335 as he was diagnosed with a stage IV cancer. 1588 01:28:29,971 --> 01:28:32,673 His cancer started spreading fast. 1589 01:28:34,576 --> 01:28:38,511 And it was just over a year later 1590 01:28:38,513 --> 01:28:44,317 that he was taken-- that he passed away. 1591 01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:51,391 ¶ ¶ 1592 01:28:52,261 --> 01:28:54,861 - We would love to have a relationship with Dora. 1593 01:28:57,399 --> 01:29:01,268 We think about her often, and just pray 1594 01:29:01,403 --> 01:29:04,871 that she has some peace in knowing what she does now. 1595 01:29:05,006 --> 01:29:11,912 ¶ ¶ 1596 01:29:19,020 --> 01:29:21,888 [gentle music] 1597 01:29:22,023 --> 01:29:28,995 ¶ ¶ 1598 01:29:39,508 --> 01:29:43,577 - You know, it's heartbreaking to lose anybody to cancer. 1599 01:29:45,714 --> 01:29:47,781 But after 50-plus years, 1600 01:29:47,916 --> 01:29:51,584 you finally find your kidnapped child, 1601 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:56,790 you reconnect, you're talking and hopefully planning to meet, 1602 01:29:56,925 --> 01:29:58,859 and then they're gone. 1603 01:30:02,463 --> 01:30:03,997 But at least my mom had closure. 1604 01:30:04,132 --> 01:30:06,065 She was able to speak with him. 1605 01:30:06,067 --> 01:30:07,734 She got to say goodbye to him. 1606 01:30:09,070 --> 01:30:12,339 And she knows that--that he was there, 1607 01:30:12,474 --> 01:30:14,608 and that he lived a decent life. 1608 01:30:24,353 --> 01:30:26,219 Hey, Mom. 1609 01:30:26,221 --> 01:30:27,954 - Oh, my goodness. 1610 01:30:33,362 --> 01:30:39,232 I was so happy and so pleased to hear from him. 1611 01:30:39,368 --> 01:30:42,101 We didn't have a long conversation. 1612 01:30:42,637 --> 01:30:46,773 I asked him a few questions about his life and so forth. 1613 01:30:46,908 --> 01:30:52,645 But it was just such a thrill to be able to hear his voice 1614 01:30:52,647 --> 01:30:54,714 and talk with him. 1615 01:30:54,849 --> 01:31:00,854 But it was difficult for me, because I had so many questions 1616 01:31:00,989 --> 01:31:03,790 that I really wanted to ask him, 1617 01:31:03,925 --> 01:31:08,461 but it was really talking-- knowing it was my son, 1618 01:31:08,463 --> 01:31:13,332 but that it was talking to a--I was talking to a stranger. 1619 01:31:14,135 --> 01:31:18,137 So then, when he did call again at Christmastime, 1620 01:31:18,273 --> 01:31:22,409 he tried to--he just mainly called to say 1621 01:31:22,543 --> 01:31:26,279 that he wished me a merry Christmas, 1622 01:31:26,415 --> 01:31:28,481 and had hoped that maybe one day 1623 01:31:28,483 --> 01:31:31,418 we would be able to meet one another. 1624 01:31:31,953 --> 01:31:36,890 But at that time, he was getting very ill. 1625 01:31:37,025 --> 01:31:39,893 [melancholy music] 1626 01:31:40,028 --> 01:31:45,232 ¶ ¶ 1627 01:31:45,366 --> 01:31:51,170 It's just sad that--that his health was in jeopardy, 1628 01:31:51,306 --> 01:31:55,708 and I just--I just feel so hurt 1629 01:31:55,710 --> 01:32:00,680 that we never really got to meet him and see him. 1630 01:32:01,983 --> 01:32:06,185 Just so enlightening to think 1631 01:32:06,187 --> 01:32:11,390 that I was able to be able to be talking with him 1632 01:32:11,392 --> 01:32:14,895 and had that joy of hearing his voice. 1633 01:32:16,197 --> 01:32:17,330 - That's amazing. 1634 01:32:17,466 --> 01:32:24,404 ¶ ¶ 1635 01:32:28,276 --> 01:32:30,209 So, when--when you were notified 1636 01:32:30,211 --> 01:32:33,212 that the FBI thought they found Paul 1637 01:32:33,214 --> 01:32:34,881 and you drove to New Jersey 1638 01:32:35,016 --> 01:32:36,883 and you were placed in the room with Dad, 1639 01:32:37,018 --> 01:32:41,755 and then I came in, you had to make your mind up. 1640 01:32:42,824 --> 01:32:44,958 How did you feel about being-- 1641 01:32:45,093 --> 01:32:46,726 being there in that situation? 1642 01:32:49,630 --> 01:32:51,564 - When you walked into the room, 1643 01:32:51,566 --> 01:32:54,501 the light just-- everything just lit up. 1644 01:32:54,636 --> 01:32:57,636 [gentle music] 1645 01:32:57,638 --> 01:32:59,105 ¶ ¶ 1646 01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,308 You were such a beautiful child, 1647 01:33:01,442 --> 01:33:03,442 such a beautiful boy. 1648 01:33:03,444 --> 01:33:09,316 And I-I-I just thought, this child is here. 1649 01:33:10,785 --> 01:33:15,788 There's a possibility he might be our biological child, 1650 01:33:15,790 --> 01:33:17,524 or he might not. 1651 01:33:20,461 --> 01:33:26,700 If I--if I said no, I would live with that all my life. 1652 01:33:28,469 --> 01:33:34,341 I said--we said yes, and this--we lived with that. 1653 01:33:34,475 --> 01:33:38,945 We lived with peace, because we--we felt-- 1654 01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:43,883 regardless of what had--what had occurred, 1655 01:33:44,018 --> 01:33:46,219 we felt that we did the right thing. 1656 01:33:46,354 --> 01:33:49,022 ¶ ¶ 1657 01:33:49,157 --> 01:33:52,291 I found peace with that. I found peace. 1658 01:33:52,427 --> 01:33:57,897 I didn't feel like I had to be searching for something else, 1659 01:33:57,899 --> 01:34:02,369 because I felt I had the answer right there. 1660 01:34:02,503 --> 01:34:06,305 But it took many years just to find the difference. 1661 01:34:06,307 --> 01:34:08,174 So... 1662 01:34:08,309 --> 01:34:10,243 - But we're still a family. - Right. 1663 01:34:10,378 --> 01:34:13,512 - Yeah, I'm still your son. - That's right. That's right. 1664 01:34:13,514 --> 01:34:15,314 Yes. So... 1665 01:34:15,450 --> 01:34:16,983 - Well, I just wanted-- I just wanted to say 1666 01:34:17,118 --> 01:34:19,452 I'm really thankful that you and Dad were my parents. 1667 01:34:19,454 --> 01:34:20,787 - Well... - And that you raised me, 1668 01:34:20,922 --> 01:34:23,122 you took care of me, you put up with me. 1669 01:34:23,258 --> 01:34:26,859 And I'm really grateful for our relationship now. 1670 01:34:26,861 --> 01:34:29,396 - Well, I'm glad that we raised you, too, 1671 01:34:29,530 --> 01:34:31,197 and I'm glad that you kept us 1672 01:34:31,332 --> 01:34:33,666 on our toes a little bit. 1673 01:34:33,668 --> 01:34:37,737 So... it was great. I got two Pauls. 1674 01:34:37,872 --> 01:34:42,341 - [laughs] 1675 01:34:42,343 --> 01:34:43,542 You don't have to stand up. 1676 01:34:43,544 --> 01:34:45,544 - Huh? - I'll just give you a hug. 1677 01:34:45,546 --> 01:34:50,749 ¶ ¶ 1678 01:34:50,751 --> 01:34:53,753 - Love you, Paul. - Love you too, Mom. 1679 01:34:53,888 --> 01:35:00,794 ¶ ¶ 1680 01:35:46,407 --> 01:35:49,008 [gentle music] 1681 01:35:49,010 --> 01:35:51,811 - There he is. - What's happening, cuz? 1682 01:35:52,547 --> 01:35:54,280 - Nothing much. - How you doing, man? 1683 01:35:54,415 --> 01:35:56,549 - Good to see you. - You look amazing. 1684 01:35:56,551 --> 01:35:58,017 Look at the hair. Love it, man. 1685 01:35:58,019 --> 01:35:59,285 - You look good too, man. - Good to see you. 1686 01:35:59,420 --> 01:36:00,619 How's everything going? 1687 01:36:00,621 --> 01:36:01,821 - Same here. Good. - Yeah? 1688 01:36:01,956 --> 01:36:03,623 - Everything's great. 1689 01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,627 - So, you just practicing? - Yeah. 1690 01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:10,830 - [strumming] 1691 01:36:10,965 --> 01:36:12,298 - It's weird. 1692 01:36:12,433 --> 01:36:14,701 I feel like I'm sitting with your father here now. 1693 01:36:14,835 --> 01:36:16,235 You're looking a lot like him. 1694 01:36:16,371 --> 01:36:18,771 - I want to--I want to hear a lot of about him. 1695 01:36:18,773 --> 01:36:20,839 - Well, I can tell you everything I know. 1696 01:36:20,841 --> 01:36:23,842 ["If You Leave Me Now" by Chicago playing] 1697 01:36:23,844 --> 01:36:29,182 ¶ ¶ 1698 01:36:29,317 --> 01:36:31,918 ¶ If you leave me now ¶ 1699 01:36:32,053 --> 01:36:37,990 ¶ You'll take away the biggest part of me ¶ 1700 01:36:38,126 --> 01:36:43,396 ¶ Ooh, girl, baby, please don't go ¶ 1701 01:36:43,531 --> 01:36:46,733 ¶ ¶ 1702 01:36:46,868 --> 01:36:50,269 If you leave me, you'll break my heart. 1703 01:36:50,405 --> 01:36:52,205 Nah. 1704 01:36:52,340 --> 01:36:56,475 ¶ ¶ 1705 01:36:56,611 --> 01:36:58,344 ¶ ¶ 1706 01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:04,016 - ¶ A love like ours is love that's hard to find ¶ 1707 01:37:04,018 --> 01:37:06,753 ¶ ¶ 1708 01:37:06,887 --> 01:37:11,290 ¶ How could we let it slip away? ¶ 1709 01:37:11,426 --> 01:37:12,425 ¶ ¶ 1710 01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:16,095 ¶ Ooh ¶ 1711 01:37:16,230 --> 01:37:18,631 ¶ We've come too far ¶ 1712 01:37:18,767 --> 01:37:22,501 ¶ To leave it all behind ¶ 1713 01:37:22,637 --> 01:37:25,104 ¶ ¶ 1714 01:37:25,106 --> 01:37:29,708 ¶ How could we end it all this way ¶ 1715 01:37:29,710 --> 01:37:32,378 ¶ When tomorrow comes ¶ 1716 01:37:32,513 --> 01:37:34,647 ¶ And we'll both regret ¶ 1717 01:37:34,783 --> 01:37:40,186 ¶ The things we said today ¶ 1718 01:37:40,321 --> 01:37:41,920 ¶ ¶ 1719 01:37:41,922 --> 01:37:44,256 ¶ If you leave me now ¶ 1720 01:37:44,258 --> 01:37:48,595 ¶ You'll take away the biggest part of me ¶ 1721 01:37:48,729 --> 01:37:50,596 ¶ ¶ 1722 01:37:50,731 --> 01:37:55,868 ¶ Ooh, no, baby, please don't go ¶ 1723 01:37:55,870 --> 01:38:02,809 ¶ ¶ 1724 01:38:04,879 --> 01:38:10,416 ¶ Ooh, girl, I just got to have you by my side ¶ 1725 01:38:10,551 --> 01:38:17,690 ¶ ¶ 1726 01:38:18,026 --> 01:38:22,962 ¶ Ooh, no, baby, please don't go ¶ 1727 01:38:23,097 --> 01:38:30,036 ¶ ¶ 1728 01:38:31,973 --> 01:38:36,309 ¶ Ooh, mama, I just got to have your loving ¶ 1729 01:38:36,444 --> 01:38:43,383 ¶ ¶ 1730 01:38:45,854 --> 01:38:49,422 ¶ Ooh, mama, I just got to have your loving ¶