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There's a new film in some
theaters around the country.

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This one is called Kids.
That has a nice innocent sound,

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but this Kids is not about innocence.

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I remember when this film hit, and
it cause a shit storm of controversy.

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So shocking.

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ALL TIME CLASSIC!!!

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''Kids'' Review (1995)

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The story of sex-obsessed teens,

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drinking, drugging, drifting kids.

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These kids are degenerates!!!

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This is why I don't want KIDS.

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New York can be really ugly.

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Just a f♪♪♪♪ Masterpiece

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Movie changed my life.

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It's a deeply shocking
and disturbing film,

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which feels absolutely authentic.

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Is this real?

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I thought this was a doco.

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Kids 1995 Director.

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Search

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I really got in the
kids, we trusted each other.

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This was a massive back in the 90s.

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It's the breakout movie of the year.

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This movie disturbed Madonna. 'Nuff said.

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Most talked about film of
the year, it's called Kids.

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Where did they find the actors?

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No I wasn't an actor at all.

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I was skateboarding in
Washington Square Park.

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What a scummy characters

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where were the PARENTS!?

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WTF happened to these kids?!?

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My name is Hamilton Chango Harris.

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I was the one rolling up
the blunt in the film.

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I can only tell you what I experienced.

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I grew up in New York City,
I was born in New York.

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I grew up in poverty.

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New York City 1970's.

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When I say poverty, I'm
not just talking about poverty

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from an economical standpoint,
I'm talking about poverty

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from a psychological and
emotional standpoint.

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We moved to the housing projects,

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which is really just like a fancy version

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of a prison system.

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You know, atrocious
conditions in the country

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that's supposed to be free and open

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and have all these opportunities.

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I didn't experience those
material opportunities.

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Everything's burnt down.

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Like I actually got burned out as a kid.

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So I'm being woken up
by my family, it's like

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after midnight and
everybody's knocking on

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each other's doors,
''It's a fire,'' and everyone's

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helping each other to
get out the building.

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'Cause they would set
the buildings on fire

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to get insurance money.

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It was a hustle.

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Kids are resilient, we bounce back up.

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As kids we would pull out
the old, crazy mattresses

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that people would throw away and use them

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as springboards and do flips on them.

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So we always found ways to
make something out of nothing.

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As you got older, it's really hard

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to maintain that state
of positivity, you know?

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My perception of what I
was taught subconsciously

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about Black people being
poor and unfortunate

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and White people being
superior and having everything,

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like how do you get such a huge divide?

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There was a few directions
which the environment

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would lead you into,
which weren't so healthy.

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And if you're smart
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you need to figure a way to get out.

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WE WERE ONCE KIDS

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New York City 1980's.

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When I started venturing
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I would see skateboards around.

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It was like, ''Yo, this
looks kind of cool.''

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A friend was like, ''Yo, why
don't we all get skateboards?''

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''Why don't we all get skateboards?''

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I was like, ''Yeah, let's do
it, let's do it,'' you know?

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I knew I couldn't get a
skateboard in one shot.

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Wasn't possible, 'cause
it's too expensive.

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Each month for about six
months, I just kept getting

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every part, until I had the whole thing.

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Only thing I could
think of is the skateboards.

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My name is Hamilton Harris,
and I like to skate.

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It keeps me out of trouble
and stuff, you know,

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'cause I live in Harlem.

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I wanna go to college and stuff, you know?

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A skateboard is something that you get on

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and you can ride away from
what was going on at home.

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You leave that behind you.

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We would just go as far as we could go.

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Get on the train, we'd go to Skate NYC,

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this skate shop in the Lower East Side.

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See all these kids, right?

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There was one thing we all had in common

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and it was the board.

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And that really was all that mattered.

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And then they skated across
the street to the park.

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And then they, they were all
doing tricks over the garbage can.

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I started to move up a little
bit, but still out of sight.

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It was a bunch of guys,
but Harold stood out.

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He calls me from across
the street, sees me.

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''Yo, yo, come over here
yo, come, come here.''

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Just the way his facial features were,

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you couldn't take your eyes off
him, you couldn't look away.

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It's just like, you
felt like you were being

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summoned by some spirit, you know?

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He was just like, ''Why don't you'',

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''why don't you come down and hang out?''

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''You could be a part of it too.''

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''You're no different than I am.''

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And that's when I knew

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I had met someone incredibly valuable.

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The skate shop became
refuge to all the kids

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who didn't want to go back home.

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It was like a camaraderie.

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We just gravitated toward each other.

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Wow, these people have lives
to, and go through shit too.

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All of us from our crew have

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like crazy backgrounds and crazy stories.

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I think that's kind of
what, why we bonded and all.

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But once we skated that
shit didn't matter.

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When we all skated, that was a way

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for us to escape that reality.

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White kid, Black kid,
Chinese kid, just all these

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different kids, and they're
riding together, you know?

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I saw freedom.

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New York City in the '80s,

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the drug was cocaine
and it turned to crack.

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It was this huge epidemic
which destroyed communities.

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And while illegal drug use
is found in every community,

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nowhere is it worse than
our public housing projects.

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I remember one day Harold is like,

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''Yo, y'all want to go to my house?''

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Skate to his crib in the Campos Plaza.

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We come in, his grandmother's
sitting on the couch.

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His uncles were there,
they were all hanging out.

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He called his grandmother
Mom, ''Hey Mom, Hey Mom.''

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And then it hit me, it was like, oh.

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His grandmother raised him,
his parents wasn't there.

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He and his uncle, I could
see, yeah his uncle,

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he has a drug addiction.

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I could, because I had that in my home.

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My sisters do it, my mom
do it, I can pick up on it.

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So I'm like, ''Yep okay, that's what''

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''that's what I'm connected to with him.''

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Harold's Brother
It was like a jungle in my house.

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The only thing we knew is what we saw,

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like to walk into a bedroom and like,

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you see like dudes
shooting up and it's like,

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you're just hanging out with
them, watching them shoot up.

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And you're just like, ''Holy shit.''

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Like, my grandmother charging them,

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like space to like shoot up.

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It was like, it was
like a Airbnb for drugs.

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I know that my mother died off of it.

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I know that my father had
a heart attack from it.

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And then I saw my aunt, I saw my uncle.

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That's what we saw as a future.

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New York City 1990's.

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In 1991, '92, there was
just too much happening.

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Kids needed a place of refuge

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because the skate shops closed down.

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Skateboarding wasn't cool no more.

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There was no more money to be made.

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All the skaters stopped skating.

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Except for us, the ones with the,
the heavy dysfunction.

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So we was always skating in the streets.

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And that's where I met Justin.

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He was smoking cigarettes at the time.

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He smoked cigarettes and
he drank a lot, you know,

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which I was like, ''Damn,
it's like a little old man'',

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''this guy,'' you know?

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Then I found out that
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so he was homeless, right?

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Staying couch to couch,
you know what I mean?

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And I was like, ''Whoa, you
homeless yo, that's crazy.''

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No one knows exactly
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there are in New York City.

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Officials estimate 56,000
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and children wander the
streets of New York.

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So we would be hanging at
Washington Square Park, right?

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And these girls used to hang around.

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They were like rave, slash Gothic,

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slash punk rock girls, right?

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I was a little punk rock
chick from the Lower East Side.

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I met Justin when I was 14.

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This was early '90s New York City.

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This is one of like the
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biggest murder rate.

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Like the city was not fun back then.

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It was like crack heads and
dope fiends, everywhere.

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Afraid of being jumped constantly.

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I remember like one time these big dudes

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are like fucking with
us, like down on Broadway

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where we're like walking back
and Justin came out of nowhere

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and just started slamming his
board and punching the wall.

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Like, ''You want to see crazy,
like, I'll fuck you up,''

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just trying to protect
us from these dudes.

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He was the most loyal friend
you could ever ask for.

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Fucking like intense
and crazy as a person,

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like in the best possible way.

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He was just larger than life.

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When the skate shop died out,

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we would go hanging out
at Highlyann's spot.

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Harold, you know, grew up
around the corner from me

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and that's how kind of,

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we all kind of came together.

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We became brothers and sisters.

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We're gonna create this
reality that's functional.

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We spent every day together.

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We would just be getting like, fucked up,

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drinking 40s, smoking
blunts, chilling on the stoop

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all hours of the night, on the roof.

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We didn't stop, we were
just together like 24/7.

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They became my family.

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We were young, we didn't have shit.

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Like, we used to scrape by.

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I don't even know how we
survived when we skated,

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'cause we never used to eat.

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Like when we were hungry, we
used to go to the supermarket

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and we would have a plan.

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Like before go in like, ''All
right, you steal the bread'',

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''you steal the cold cuts, you
steal this, you steal that.''

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And then we would literally
go somewhere afterwards

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and have like a picnic.

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Being able to be together
and be able to, you know,

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have communal food and
have everything together

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was a huge thing for us, and
it was important for all of us

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to maintain, I think,
our sanity growing up.

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For Justin, this was a home base of sorts.

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You know, he could always come here

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and he would always be loved.

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We were each other's
support system, I think.

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We had each other's back and
we took care of each other

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without having any family support at all.

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And we grew up together
supporting each other.

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We would go skate
together, and then I'm like,

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''All right, I'm gonna go home.''

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And he would come with me to the Bronx,

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to the block where you have
like these guys who like,

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are like crack dealers
with guns and stuff.

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And like, coming to the project hallway

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and like smoking blunts and
be in rhyme circles and shit.

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And he's like, ''Yo, for these
Jets, I don't give a fuck.''

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00:12:16,158 --> 00:12:17,776
''Ba ba ba ba ba,'' and they'd be like,

250
00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,413
''Yo, I like this dude.''

251
00:12:20,517 --> 00:12:22,936
S'up Justin.

252
00:12:23,032 --> 00:12:24,611
Oh, yeah Jamal!

253
00:12:24,674 --> 00:12:26,483
Yo, this is the first video footage

254
00:12:26,555 --> 00:12:29,094
in the motherfucking dungeon.

255
00:12:29,195 --> 00:12:33,774
He a small person who
just didn't give a fuck.

256
00:12:33,957 --> 00:12:35,690
And when I say he didn't give a fuck,

257
00:12:35,714 --> 00:12:37,717
he really didn't give a fuck.

258
00:12:37,797 --> 00:12:40,289
He was like fearless.

259
00:12:41,915 --> 00:12:44,611
Oh, put your hand over it,

260
00:12:44,718 --> 00:12:46,528
now turn it upside down and back.

261
00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,985
Oh, no you didn't, yo.

262
00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,750
- That's the...
- Yeah.

263
00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,443
That's the ultimate dog motion, yo.

264
00:12:55,557 --> 00:12:59,375
That's the dog motion,
that's the dog motion, yo.

265
00:13:03,995 --> 00:13:06,885
- We drank a lot together.
- Did a lot of acid.

266
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,262
We had lots of fun, but we also,

267
00:13:09,352 --> 00:13:10,857
we also had a lot of issues.

268
00:13:10,917 --> 00:13:13,686
You know, I've seen people get like

269
00:13:13,797 --> 00:13:15,376
stabbed to death, like right there.

270
00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,816
I've seen people get shot out the window,

271
00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,877
like right there, and feeling like

272
00:13:19,998 --> 00:13:23,497
emotionally drained, emotionally beaten.

273
00:13:23,637 --> 00:13:26,212
We leaned on each other with those issues

274
00:13:26,315 --> 00:13:29,074
to plow through feelings.

275
00:13:30,194 --> 00:13:33,619
Underneath all of this like act,

276
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we're both creative in a certain way.

277
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♪ See me come then they come ♪

278
00:13:38,718 --> 00:13:40,048
♪ And they dance upon the floor ♪

279
00:13:40,072 --> 00:13:42,343
♪ Doing a dance it's the man, Jamal ♪

280
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♪ They're not coming back ♪

281
00:13:43,557 --> 00:13:45,011
♪ And I got the right spread Knicks ♪

282
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When no one else was around.

283
00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,631
I talked about literature with Justin.

284
00:13:48,712 --> 00:13:50,835
I'd just be drinking a beer and like

285
00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,305
breaking that shit down.

286
00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:58,278
And we shared that, this
love for creativity.

287
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We had that bond of,
of trying to find a way

288
00:14:02,872 --> 00:14:08,411
to move forward in life with
hopes of things getting better.

289
00:14:11,915 --> 00:14:14,989
And at that time I used to smoke weed

290
00:14:15,112 --> 00:14:16,250
'cause I grew up around weed, right?

291
00:14:16,274 --> 00:14:17,574
My dad would roll the joints.

292
00:14:17,598 --> 00:14:19,676
So I had a connection with weed, right?

293
00:14:19,758 --> 00:14:21,799
But Harold didn't smoke.

294
00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,776
Of course he didn't, he lost his parents

295
00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,985
from heroin, his two
uncles is drug addicts.

296
00:14:27,112 --> 00:14:29,540
He was anti-drugs.

297
00:14:29,637 --> 00:14:32,212
He would make jokes, like
imitating that we high

298
00:14:32,315 --> 00:14:35,546
and clowning us for smoking, you know?

299
00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:38,906
Ryan is smoking, so then
Ryan passes it to me.

300
00:14:39,035 --> 00:14:42,230
I started smoking it and he goes,

301
00:14:43,154 --> 00:14:46,929
''Fuck Hamilton, you're
always smoking that shit.''

302
00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,305
''I hate that shit, man.''

303
00:14:49,394 --> 00:14:53,660
And I got the joint in my
hand and I'm just like,

304
00:14:55,672 --> 00:15:00,103
When he said that to me, I knew he cared.

305
00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,608
And I knew he was thinking
like, ''Yo, you smoke that'',

306
00:15:02,632 --> 00:15:03,654
''you're gonna start using this,''

307
00:15:03,678 --> 00:15:04,854
''it's going to turn into that.''

308
00:15:04,878 --> 00:15:07,491
''I know because I don't have my mom.''

309
00:15:07,595 --> 00:15:10,060
I could hear all of that.

310
00:15:10,158 --> 00:15:13,583
So he didn't have to say it,
but I knew what he was saying.

311
00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,490
That was the tough love part, right?

312
00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,660
This is when I saw another side of Harold,

313
00:15:20,478 --> 00:15:25,050
that his love and compassion and care

314
00:15:25,874 --> 00:15:27,800
was on a whole 'nother level.

315
00:15:28,754 --> 00:15:31,182
He just wanted to get
out from the projects.

316
00:15:31,278 --> 00:15:33,480
I could relate, you know?

317
00:15:34,754 --> 00:15:36,371
I used to always hang
out with the skaters

318
00:15:36,395 --> 00:15:39,516
and there was a blunt
and I smoked some of it.

319
00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,671
And I remember I was actually high,

320
00:15:41,752 --> 00:15:44,411
and I remember Harold was
like, very concerned for me.

321
00:15:44,517 --> 00:15:47,480
Not that I did it, but
just like, was I okay?

322
00:15:47,598 --> 00:15:52,787
And I remember he walked me
home, and we became super close.

323
00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:54,729
We would go out to clubs together

324
00:15:54,798 --> 00:15:57,316
and he would stay up all
night, he could break night.

325
00:15:57,352 --> 00:16:00,546
He always wanted to avoid
ever having to go home.

326
00:16:00,674 --> 00:16:02,520
He used to get real mad because

327
00:16:02,594 --> 00:16:05,557
I would complain that I had a curfew.

328
00:16:05,675 --> 00:16:07,909
Whenever I complained about my parents

329
00:16:07,998 --> 00:16:12,808
or the rules that I had, he
was quick to point out to me

330
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,456
what a privilege it was
to have those things.

331
00:16:15,554 --> 00:16:17,814
You know, he didn't talk about
home, like in the way that,

332
00:16:17,838 --> 00:16:19,850
you know, you would hope that
someone would talk about home.

333
00:16:19,874 --> 00:16:22,527
Ultimately he felt unsafe.

334
00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,128
In Washington Square Park at the time,

335
00:16:26,152 --> 00:16:27,814
everyone congregated there.

336
00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,065
So it's really interesting
to have the weed dealers,

337
00:16:31,192 --> 00:16:33,925
kids who were into punk
rock music, skateboarders,

338
00:16:34,034 --> 00:16:36,000
and the musicians, and the kids who went

339
00:16:36,078 --> 00:16:38,728
to the clubs all hanging there.

340
00:16:38,834 --> 00:16:41,640
We would be skating and some random person

341
00:16:41,752 --> 00:16:43,792
would just be like, ''Yo Harold,''

342
00:16:43,874 --> 00:16:46,182
and you'd meet all these people.

343
00:16:46,274 --> 00:16:49,080
So this kid comes around,
he comes with Harold.

344
00:16:49,192 --> 00:16:51,389
This kid from Tennessee.

345
00:16:51,477 --> 00:16:53,334
He's like, ''Yo, this is
my friend Harmony, yo.''

346
00:16:53,358 --> 00:16:56,700
''He's going to NYU film
school,'' blah blah blah.

347
00:16:56,834 --> 00:16:59,492
He used to stay in our crib,

348
00:16:59,598 --> 00:17:01,014
we didn't know who the fuck he was.

349
00:17:01,038 --> 00:17:03,491
Like, him and Harold used
to sleep in the same room.

350
00:17:03,515 --> 00:17:05,288
We thought he was a runaway because

351
00:17:05,358 --> 00:17:06,774
my brother used to run away all the time.

352
00:17:06,798 --> 00:17:08,733
So we thought he was just
one of his runaway friends.

353
00:17:08,757 --> 00:17:11,296
Harold would bring all
kinds of people to our house.

354
00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,628
Anyone that he thought
was great and loved,

355
00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,490
it was like he wanted to
share them with us too.

356
00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,554
He was so excited because
he just really saw

357
00:17:19,672 --> 00:17:22,405
how talented Harmony
was and, and was just,

358
00:17:22,514 --> 00:17:24,286
just very taken by Harmony.

359
00:17:24,357 --> 00:17:26,454
He and Harold just seemed
to really love each other.

360
00:17:26,478 --> 00:17:27,365
So right then and there,

361
00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,094
it was like Harold's
vouching for this kid.

362
00:17:29,118 --> 00:17:30,208
And that was a great way to meet him.

363
00:17:30,232 --> 00:17:31,571
I mean, he was just, he seemed so great.

364
00:17:31,595 --> 00:17:33,562
Because Harold vouched for him,

365
00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,865
and Harold gave him the stamp of approval,

366
00:17:35,954 --> 00:17:39,683
I said, ''Okay, so he's hanging
around now, oh, that's fine.''

367
00:17:39,832 --> 00:17:42,029
It's like, he coronates fucking people.

368
00:17:42,117 --> 00:17:44,090
Yeah he's like this,
like this divine being.

369
00:17:44,114 --> 00:17:46,772
''I coronate you,'' boom, you're accepted.

370
00:17:46,878 --> 00:17:48,992
No one questions it, done.

371
00:17:49,077 --> 00:17:50,803
But he trusted everybody.

372
00:17:50,872 --> 00:17:55,645
And he always gave
everybody the opportunity.

373
00:17:55,835 --> 00:17:57,491
My very first impressions of Larry

374
00:17:57,515 --> 00:18:00,177
when I first saw him around
taking photos was just like,

375
00:18:00,232 --> 00:18:03,195
''Yo, who's like Grandpa,
who's this old dude?''

376
00:18:03,314 --> 00:18:05,456
Like, ''Who is this cat?''

377
00:18:10,514 --> 00:18:11,891
What the fuck you guys doing?

378
00:18:11,915 --> 00:18:13,561
What the fuck you guys doing, man?

379
00:18:13,595 --> 00:18:15,792
He's a fucking human
being, who gives a shit?

380
00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,493
Hey, stop being shit
man, get the fuck away.

381
00:18:18,597 --> 00:18:20,323
One on one and that's it.

382
00:18:20,392 --> 00:18:21,629
One on one?

383
00:18:21,678 --> 00:18:23,373
At that time, like the
baggy clothes were in,

384
00:18:23,397 --> 00:18:26,046
He's wearing like, you know, skate tees,

385
00:18:26,152 --> 00:18:28,811
he had, you know, like the long hair.

386
00:18:28,917 --> 00:18:31,068
He's coming to hang out
with these young guys

387
00:18:31,154 --> 00:18:33,194
and he's making himself look like them

388
00:18:33,275 --> 00:18:36,469
so they would accept him.

389
00:18:36,597 --> 00:18:38,905
Who the fuck is that guy?

390
00:18:38,997 --> 00:18:40,262
Who is that old guy?

391
00:18:40,312 --> 00:18:43,857
I don't know. I asked him right out.

392
00:18:43,998 --> 00:18:46,134
I remember Harold saying,
''Yo, that's Larry Clark.''

393
00:18:46,158 --> 00:18:48,371
''You know, he made this
book Tulsa, teenage lust,''

394
00:18:48,395 --> 00:18:49,900
blah blah blah.

395
00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,806
I'm like, ''How does he know?''

396
00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,804
And it turns out Tobin
told everybody.

397
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,185
Meeting Larry, I was, you know,

398
00:18:58,274 --> 00:18:59,613
I was a junior in high school.

399
00:18:59,637 --> 00:19:03,099
And there was a class
that was being offered

400
00:19:03,237 --> 00:19:05,120
in documentary photography.

401
00:19:05,195 --> 00:19:08,694
I was like, kind of the youngest
student in that workshop.

402
00:19:08,834 --> 00:19:11,105
And I stayed at Larry's house.

403
00:19:11,195 --> 00:19:13,042
Man, I like your collage.

404
00:19:13,115 --> 00:19:17,159
He was researching skateboarding
as, as a possible film.

405
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,611
He would ask me questions like,

406
00:19:18,635 --> 00:19:20,906
''What's the drug of
choice for skateboarders?''

407
00:19:20,997 --> 00:19:23,609
And I said, ''I don't know,
Larry, I think everything.''

408
00:19:23,714 --> 00:19:27,600
''And are they having sex
all the time?''

409
00:19:27,755 --> 00:19:29,214
He would want to meet people.

410
00:19:29,272 --> 00:19:31,811
No one knows kind of who he is at all.

411
00:19:31,912 --> 00:19:33,952
Like, no one knows art.

412
00:19:34,034 --> 00:19:36,655
So I had to be like, ''No, he's okay'',

413
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,449
''he's a great photographer.''

414
00:19:38,517 --> 00:19:43,982
Which gave him acceptance
in the skateboard community.

415
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:45,852
You know, here's his book.

416
00:19:45,918 --> 00:19:47,608
People doing, shooting up drugs,

417
00:19:47,675 --> 00:19:50,371
a pregnant woman shooting up drugs.

418
00:19:50,478 --> 00:19:52,556
And I'm like, ''Whoa, that's kinda crazy.''

419
00:19:52,638 --> 00:19:55,094
- Hey Larry, do you mind that I’m videoing?
- No.

420
00:19:55,192 --> 00:19:56,660
Where’s your dad now, man?

421
00:19:56,718 --> 00:19:58,869
My dad lives in the country, homeboy.

422
00:19:58,955 --> 00:20:00,016
Do you like to talk to him?

423
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,128
- Yeah I talk to him.
- I send him postcards and shit.

424
00:20:02,152 --> 00:20:04,275
- He's like, cool?
- Fuck yeah, he's bad.

425
00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:06,705
- Turn him on to me, man.
- Ay, man.

426
00:20:06,798 --> 00:20:08,026
Tell him about me, man.

427
00:20:08,075 --> 00:20:09,414
He won't come to New York.

428
00:20:09,438 --> 00:20:11,783
Well send him, send some
pictures or something.

429
00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:13,571
Can I tell you a secret about Alan, man?

430
00:20:13,595 --> 00:20:14,325
You can.

431
00:20:14,354 --> 00:20:19,053
- Alan is fucking...
- so fucking... sexually crazed.

432
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,853
- Yeah.
- He just wants to fuck kids, man.

433
00:20:21,957 --> 00:20:23,415
- Yeah see.
- So bad, man.

434
00:20:23,474 --> 00:20:24,397
But see...

435
00:20:24,434 --> 00:20:28,514
He would like meet you,
shake your hand, say “Hi Tobin,”

436
00:20:28,677 --> 00:20:31,097
and he would try to get in
your pants so fast, man.

437
00:20:31,154 --> 00:20:33,491
- He's totally fucking horny.
- You know what? He’d get a black eye.

438
00:20:33,515 --> 00:20:35,325
He’s totally fucking mental.

439
00:20:35,397 --> 00:20:37,742
You know what? Trophy.

440
00:20:37,835 --> 00:20:40,448
Aggressive. He’s like faggy aggressive.

441
00:20:40,552 --> 00:20:41,574
See, you know why, cause he...

442
00:20:41,598 --> 00:20:43,168
- But he’s the sweetest guy, man.
- He’s a wonderful guy, man.

443
00:20:43,192 --> 00:20:44,416
You would love the guy, man.

444
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,400
Yeah.

445
00:20:45,438 --> 00:20:47,248
He’s a good guy. But...

446
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:48,012
But it doesn’t matter.

447
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,302
He’s sexually aggressive to the max, man.

448
00:20:50,392 --> 00:20:50,848
You know what?

449
00:20:50,872 --> 00:20:52,250
He just wants to suck your dick.

450
00:20:52,274 --> 00:20:53,776
- That’s gross.
- That’s all he wants to do, man.

451
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,068
But I swear to god,
when he’s so horny, man.

452
00:20:57,198 --> 00:20:58,211
The guy's a fucking dork.

453
00:20:58,235 --> 00:21:00,931
He's trying to suck your cock right now.

454
00:21:01,038 --> 00:21:02,922
See, I don’t go for that shit.

455
00:21:02,997 --> 00:21:05,037
Fuck that shit, yo.

456
00:21:05,118 --> 00:21:08,386
So you got this 49-year-old dude, right?

457
00:21:08,517 --> 00:21:11,979
Who is like this well-known photographer.

458
00:21:12,117 --> 00:21:13,428
None of us don't know.

459
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,772
Most of us didn't even care.

460
00:21:16,754 --> 00:21:19,412
But he would have weed,
and like good weed too.

461
00:21:19,518 --> 00:21:21,632
Like really good stuff, you know?

462
00:21:21,717 --> 00:21:23,600
He's taking photos of us hanging,

463
00:21:23,675 --> 00:21:26,057
well a service for a service, right?

464
00:21:26,152 --> 00:21:29,660
Coaxed me in, fine, I liked it.

465
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,216
''All right, you can hang around,

466
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,157
'''cause I know we're going to
smoke some good stuff,'' right?

467
00:21:34,274 --> 00:21:35,695
That was my logic.

468
00:21:35,752 --> 00:21:38,448
I feel like the fact that
Larry entered the scene

469
00:21:38,555 --> 00:21:44,519
as like an older person
who wasn't homeless,

470
00:21:44,757 --> 00:21:47,951
who wasn't broke, and
who seemed like he had

471
00:21:48,078 --> 00:21:50,728
some sort of resources.

472
00:21:50,834 --> 00:21:52,730
Like, okay, how can we make
use of this motherfucker?

473
00:21:52,754 --> 00:21:54,333
I never trust people like that, you know,

474
00:21:54,357 --> 00:21:55,815
just, you know, growing up.

475
00:21:55,874 --> 00:21:57,568
Like, why does this guy wanna
hang around all these kids?

476
00:21:57,592 --> 00:21:59,210
I just always thought he was
a little funny or something.

477
00:21:59,234 --> 00:22:02,354
So I just always had my guard up

478
00:22:02,478 --> 00:22:03,208
'cause I always thought, you know,

479
00:22:03,237 --> 00:22:05,210
''Larry, why would you want
to take pictures of us?''

480
00:22:05,234 --> 00:22:06,813
Why is he telling guys
to go to his,

481
00:22:06,837 --> 00:22:07,797
bringing people to his apartment,

482
00:22:07,835 --> 00:22:10,337
and buying them beer and
you know, weed and shit.

483
00:22:10,437 --> 00:22:13,049
I always thought it was funny.

484
00:22:13,154 --> 00:22:15,157
You just saw this group of like,

485
00:22:15,237 --> 00:22:16,816
these crazy fucking skateboarding kids.

486
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,333
Like we stood out like,
these fucking guys,

487
00:22:18,357 --> 00:22:20,739
the energy's crazy, you know what I mean?

488
00:22:20,834 --> 00:22:22,096
Like the way we looked, the way,

489
00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:23,690
the diversity amongst all of us and like,

490
00:22:23,714 --> 00:22:25,486
but we were all together and like,

491
00:22:25,557 --> 00:22:28,437
we had parents that were
never around, like...

492
00:22:28,552 --> 00:22:31,709
Like, I feel like he saw,
he saw, he saw dollar signs.

493
00:22:31,835 --> 00:22:34,180
That's what people like him do.

494
00:22:34,274 --> 00:22:36,665
You know, that's how they make money.

495
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,934
Harold would be like, ''Yo,
we're gonna be in the movie.''

496
00:22:38,958 --> 00:22:42,337
''Yo, they making a movie,
we're gonna be in this movie.''

497
00:22:42,472 --> 00:22:44,863
Larry was going to be making a movie,

498
00:22:44,958 --> 00:22:47,497
and that we were gonna be in it?

499
00:22:47,598 --> 00:22:49,906
And Harmony was going to write it?

500
00:22:49,998 --> 00:22:52,731
And I was like, ''Yeah,
all right, whatever.''

501
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,131
This guy wants to make a movie.

502
00:22:54,155 --> 00:22:56,426
You know, it just didn't seem real to me.

503
00:22:56,517 --> 00:22:59,008
You know, it didn't seem like
it was ever gonna be anything.

504
00:22:59,032 --> 00:23:00,688
Some of them were excited
probably in their head

505
00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:02,531
thinking, ''Oh, I'm gonna fucking get rich''

506
00:23:02,555 --> 00:23:05,629
''and become a millionaire off
this,'' you know what I mean?

507
00:23:05,752 --> 00:23:07,734
And you know, I think that
was the initial excitement,

508
00:23:07,758 --> 00:23:09,986
and a lot of us came from
nothing, so you know,

509
00:23:10,072 --> 00:23:12,054
I was looking at this like,
''Oh, I'm gonna be somebody now.''

510
00:23:12,078 --> 00:23:14,695
''I'm gonna, this is my way out.''

511
00:23:15,554 --> 00:23:17,021
Justin always wanted to act

512
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,333
and do those kinds of things, you know?

513
00:23:18,357 --> 00:23:20,702
He never really said it,

514
00:23:20,795 --> 00:23:23,371
but Justin always wanted to do that,

515
00:23:23,474 --> 00:23:25,818
but also had that personality
to do it, you know?

516
00:23:25,912 --> 00:23:27,770
The first time I saw
Larry, actually Justin

517
00:23:27,794 --> 00:23:29,677
brought him here to this house.

518
00:23:29,752 --> 00:23:32,411
At the time I must've been 15 or 16,

519
00:23:32,517 --> 00:23:34,594
so I was still young, and all of a sudden

520
00:23:34,677 --> 00:23:37,096
there's like this, like
60-something-year-old dude

521
00:23:37,192 --> 00:23:38,810
sitting in my fucking living room,

522
00:23:38,834 --> 00:23:41,954
like trying to smoke a blunt
with us, like, you know,

523
00:23:42,078 --> 00:23:43,773
Justin explained, he's
trying to do a movie of us.

524
00:23:43,797 --> 00:23:45,856
And he was psyched, so like
you know, for him, we're like,

525
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,456
''All right cool,'' but I
just really remember him

526
00:23:48,558 --> 00:23:50,416
just kind of stalking and
just being in the background,

527
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,528
just kind of like watching
and just being there,

528
00:23:52,552 --> 00:23:55,285
just always thinking it
was just a little strange.

529
00:23:55,394 --> 00:23:57,453
I don't even think he
even said hello to me once

530
00:23:57,477 --> 00:23:59,517
or even spoke to me.

531
00:23:59,598 --> 00:24:01,168
You know, I wasn't
impressed by the idea of it.

532
00:24:01,192 --> 00:24:02,041
You know what I mean?

533
00:24:02,075 --> 00:24:05,343
Like, I wasn't easily impressed
pretty much by anything.

534
00:24:05,474 --> 00:24:08,363
I wanted to skate,
had to skate every day.

535
00:24:08,478 --> 00:24:10,048
You know, I was like very
serious about skating

536
00:24:10,072 --> 00:24:11,845
around that time, you know?

537
00:24:11,915 --> 00:24:13,936
Like I had goals in my
brain, you know, it's like,

538
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,191
I wanted to become a pro skateboarder.

539
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,936
I was just riding the wave,

540
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,382
but it was nice to have
Ryan and Highlyann,

541
00:24:21,477 --> 00:24:22,691
and some people that was like,

542
00:24:22,715 --> 00:24:25,143
''Yo, this dude, nah, no bueno.''

543
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,733
So that kept like this nice equilibrium,

544
00:24:27,832 --> 00:24:31,451
this nice balance, also
perspective, for them to be like,

545
00:24:31,595 --> 00:24:33,251
''Wow, this could be an opportunity.''

546
00:24:33,275 --> 00:24:34,485
And for us to be like,

547
00:24:34,514 --> 00:24:39,332
''Oh, maybe we need to not be so gullible.''

548
00:24:44,114 --> 00:24:48,268
'94 comes, Supreme opens its doors.

549
00:24:48,434 --> 00:24:50,825
Now we got a new skate shop.

550
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,228
So Supreme replaced Skate NYC.

551
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,972
We got a home again, we back home.

552
00:24:55,038 --> 00:24:57,771
Try to do a hard flip and land.

553
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,031
Gotta land it, kinda like this.

554
00:25:00,117 --> 00:25:01,843
For us it was great because

555
00:25:01,912 --> 00:25:03,011
we were all together and like,

556
00:25:03,035 --> 00:25:06,996
the skate shop gave us so
much free shit, it was cool.

557
00:25:07,154 --> 00:25:10,468
The whole crew, we're
all skating, Larry's around

558
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,831
developing this story
about this group of kids

559
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,416
hanging out skating, right?

560
00:25:16,514 --> 00:25:19,216
I think we could sense there
was something bigger than us.

561
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,659
But we were just going with the wave.

562
00:25:21,755 --> 00:25:22,931
The taxi! Get the taxi!

563
00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:26,285
Firework popping, laughter.

564
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,972
OPEN CASTING CALL

565
00:25:30,105 --> 00:25:31,457
''KIDS''

566
00:25:31,595 --> 00:25:33,054
So right where the park was,

567
00:25:33,112 --> 00:25:35,332
they were posting up flyers casting.

568
00:25:36,914 --> 00:25:41,880
It was Harold and Justin who
went to the office first.

569
00:25:42,078 --> 00:25:45,845
I see office, I'm like, ''Whoa,
this really is happening.''

570
00:25:45,995 --> 00:25:49,420
We got casting call sheets.

571
00:25:49,557 --> 00:25:52,206
It's like, ''Whoa, casting call sheets.''

572
00:25:52,312 --> 00:25:55,857
That's when I knew we're making a movie.

573
00:25:55,998 --> 00:25:59,654
When I went to the casting,
the character was my name.

574
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,834
I was like, ''Huh, like
I'm playing myself?''

575
00:26:03,995 --> 00:26:06,229
Like my character is my name?

576
00:26:06,318 --> 00:26:10,473
I thought that was like, huh, you know?

577
00:26:10,638 --> 00:26:13,639
So I read the part, I got the part,

578
00:26:13,758 --> 00:26:16,177
Justin got the part, Harold got the part.

579
00:26:16,274 --> 00:26:18,333
When I heard that there
was gonna be this movie

580
00:26:18,357 --> 00:26:19,734
and that there was gonna be auditions

581
00:26:19,758 --> 00:26:21,971
I was like, ''Fuck that
shit, I'm not auditioning''

582
00:26:21,995 --> 00:26:23,962
''for anything, like that's crazy.''

583
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,308
Harold was so, so excited about it.

584
00:26:27,438 --> 00:26:31,510
He just loved to perform,
he loved the adoration.

585
00:26:31,672 --> 00:26:33,088
He loved to make people laugh.

586
00:26:33,112 --> 00:26:36,002
Harold yelling nonsense, laughter.

587
00:26:36,117 --> 00:26:37,936
''You have to be in it, and you have to go,

588
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,731
''and you have to,'' and
like telling my mom,

589
00:26:39,755 --> 00:26:43,217
like he was just so, so
excited by the movie.

590
00:26:43,355 --> 00:26:46,199
So it really was Harold who
kind of like dragged me,

591
00:26:46,312 --> 00:26:50,817
so to speak, so I was
like, ''All right, fine.''

592
00:26:50,997 --> 00:26:55,419
Harold and Justin
would go to the office,

593
00:26:55,595 --> 00:26:59,823
bring whoever there and be like,
''Yo, this is my boy, Peter.''

594
00:26:59,992 --> 00:27:02,614
''This is my boy, yo, he's
got to be in the film.''

595
00:27:02,718 --> 00:27:05,171
They took me up there like
they own the place, you know?

596
00:27:05,195 --> 00:27:06,688
They're like walking in with their boards

597
00:27:06,712 --> 00:27:08,176
and I'm just following
them, walking up the stairs.

598
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,568
I'm like, ''Yo, this is real,'' you know?

599
00:27:09,592 --> 00:27:10,866
So I go in and they go,

600
00:27:10,917 --> 00:27:12,611
''This is Pete, put him in the movie.''

601
00:27:12,635 --> 00:27:14,810
That's what Justin said, and
Harold's like, ''Yeah, yeah, yeah.''

602
00:27:14,834 --> 00:27:17,834
And I was just like, and
that's how I got in the film.

603
00:27:17,954 --> 00:27:21,185
Harold is the one that
was with Harmony at Aster

604
00:27:21,314 --> 00:27:23,742
and was ''Harmony put Harv in the movie.''

605
00:27:23,838 --> 00:27:24,976
Harmony's like, ''All right,
cool,'' and that was it.

606
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,846
And then I started going to auditions

607
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,951
and readings with these guys.

608
00:27:29,032 --> 00:27:30,976
Then he was casting
for the girls' parts.

609
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,896
So I saw the script with
Harmony and I was very frank

610
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,488
with Harmony, I'm like, ''Who
the fuck are these characters?''

611
00:27:35,512 --> 00:27:39,712
''What is the storyline, like
girls are just to get fucked?''

612
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,686
''These kids are violent, and...''

613
00:27:42,798 --> 00:27:44,330
''and they want to fuck fucking virgins?''

614
00:27:44,354 --> 00:27:46,237
''Like, that's fucking gross.''

615
00:27:46,312 --> 00:27:47,814
You know, Harmony was always like,

616
00:27:47,838 --> 00:27:49,243
''I'm just given the storyline''

617
00:27:49,278 --> 00:27:51,011
''and I have to write the script for it.''

618
00:27:51,035 --> 00:27:53,263
From the girl perspective,
it completely missed

619
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,705
our role at all.

620
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,936
Like these are our people

621
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,453
that we consider our family members.

622
00:27:57,477 --> 00:27:58,363
Justin was my brother.

623
00:27:58,398 --> 00:28:01,436
Like to me, that's a
much more powerful story

624
00:28:01,557 --> 00:28:04,132
than one of rape and misogyny.

625
00:28:04,235 --> 00:28:05,450
We opted not to just because

626
00:28:05,474 --> 00:28:07,556
it wasn't anything we
were comfortable with.

627
00:28:07,634 --> 00:28:08,810
And then all these other people

628
00:28:08,834 --> 00:28:11,991
just started coming in from the outside.

629
00:28:12,117 --> 00:28:14,886
I was walking around
the Village with my friend

630
00:28:14,997 --> 00:28:18,920
and Harmony and Larry came up to me

631
00:28:19,077 --> 00:28:21,422
and they were like, ''Oh,
we're making this movie.''

632
00:28:21,515 --> 00:28:23,749
''Do you guys wanna come audition for it?''

633
00:28:23,838 --> 00:28:25,879
''Like we're having these open auditions.''

634
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,414
You know, in the script it says Steven,

635
00:28:27,438 --> 00:28:30,356
a Puerto Rican kid with gold fronts, okay?

636
00:28:30,472 --> 00:28:33,472
''Steven Callis, he went
to jail for armed robbery.''

637
00:28:33,592 --> 00:28:34,768
''Do you want his part?''

638
00:28:34,792 --> 00:28:37,014
Well we all knew that
Larry was sketchy, right?

639
00:28:37,038 --> 00:28:40,233
Like so, but like he was
still offering money.

640
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,742
It wasn't much money,
but to us at the time

641
00:28:42,837 --> 00:28:44,840
it was a lot of money and it was like,

642
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,096
what the fuck else were we doing?

643
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,003
Yo, we're all fucking hungry.

644
00:28:48,078 --> 00:28:50,497
I'm not gonna knock Justin
getting an opportunity

645
00:28:50,594 --> 00:28:52,134
or Harold getting an opportunity.

646
00:28:52,158 --> 00:28:54,395
An opportunity is a fucking opportunity.

647
00:29:00,194 --> 00:29:01,370
Two of your best friends, Harold Hunter

648
00:29:01,394 --> 00:29:03,491
and Justin Pierce, are
lead guys in the film.

649
00:29:03,515 --> 00:29:04,576
Yo, I'm right here, you know?

650
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,054
Right. You going out tonight?

651
00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:07,925
It was just like, he's in the lead?

652
00:29:07,998 --> 00:29:10,374
I'm in the lead, 'cause
that's my boy, so I'm good.

653
00:29:10,398 --> 00:29:11,891
Like, that's how we looked at it.

654
00:29:11,915 --> 00:29:13,408
Like if one person's doing well,

655
00:29:13,432 --> 00:29:15,048
we're all doing well, you know?

656
00:29:15,112 --> 00:29:17,466
It was crazy man,

657
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,286
but exciting, you know?

658
00:29:19,355 --> 00:29:20,973
The first stuff we shot
was at Washington Square Park

659
00:29:20,997 --> 00:29:22,730
around the fountain and
stuff, and so it's like

660
00:29:22,754 --> 00:29:24,410
every single motherfucking kid there.

661
00:29:24,434 --> 00:29:26,253
You know, it's a tight
knit group of friends.

662
00:29:26,277 --> 00:29:27,971
Like when you're talking about the people

663
00:29:27,995 --> 00:29:29,488
that the movie was written for and like

664
00:29:29,512 --> 00:29:32,328
that clique of skater kids, like

665
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,126
that's a brotherhood for real.

666
00:29:35,234 --> 00:29:36,701
They were wary of me.

667
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,985
''Why is this motherfucker
playing our friend?''

668
00:29:39,074 --> 00:29:40,846
''Why aren't we playing our friend?''

669
00:29:40,917 --> 00:29:43,760
You know, it was like,
''Yo, why the fuck are you here?''

670
00:29:43,874 --> 00:29:45,453
But you know, then you
have someone like Harold

671
00:29:45,477 --> 00:29:47,133
who was like, ''Yo, this
is my friend Jonny.''

672
00:29:47,157 --> 00:29:49,926
''And you guys should know
Jonny, and Jonny's cool.''

673
00:29:50,037 --> 00:29:51,290
And you know, eventually kind of bonding

674
00:29:51,314 --> 00:29:53,622
with Hamilton and Justin.

675
00:29:53,714 --> 00:29:55,754
And then it comes to my scene.

676
00:29:55,835 --> 00:29:58,531
Rolling up a joint, right, a blunt.

677
00:29:58,638 --> 00:30:00,863
And as I'm doing it, I do it all the time.

678
00:30:00,952 --> 00:30:03,574
But then, you know, it kicked in like,

679
00:30:03,678 --> 00:30:06,522
''Whoa, yo, we're on a movie set, yo.''

680
00:30:06,635 --> 00:30:11,251
''There's a camera there,
all right, whatever.''

681
00:30:11,435 --> 00:30:15,202
And then I was like, I was high as a kite.

682
00:30:15,352 --> 00:30:17,245
And it's crazy because like, Larry like

683
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,972
played along with that shit, man.

684
00:30:19,038 --> 00:30:20,330
Like as a kid, you look like,

685
00:30:20,354 --> 00:30:22,662
''Man, this dude is
fucking cool,'' but also,

686
00:30:22,754 --> 00:30:25,523
and he got like a $1.5 million budget,

687
00:30:25,634 --> 00:30:27,894
but he's still fighting
with a heroin addiction.

688
00:30:27,918 --> 00:30:30,531
And these crazy-ass kids in his film.

689
00:30:30,635 --> 00:30:32,749
There was always something happening.

690
00:30:32,834 --> 00:30:35,105
It was like corralling cats.

691
00:30:35,195 --> 00:30:36,410
None of us know what the fuck we're doing.

692
00:30:36,434 --> 00:30:39,144
None of us know movies, none
of us understand continuity.

693
00:30:39,198 --> 00:30:41,239
You know, ''Cut, okay,
break for the night.''

694
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,160
And then the next day,

695
00:30:42,194 --> 00:30:44,123
Justin comes back with a broken arm.

696
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,048
Your lead, all of a
sudden is wearing a cast.

697
00:30:46,072 --> 00:30:48,294
Like how the fuck are you
going to hide that, you know.

698
00:30:48,318 --> 00:30:49,456
I didn't know what scale it was on,

699
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,363
I didn't know what it was about.

700
00:30:51,438 --> 00:30:54,706
You get plopped into this
thing, cameras everywhere.

701
00:30:54,837 --> 00:30:58,068
I didn't really look at the big picture.

702
00:30:58,197 --> 00:30:59,969
We shot that party scene,

703
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,886
which is at my character's house,

704
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,037
where all this stuff goes down at the end.

705
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,037
All these kids in this tiny-ass apartment

706
00:31:07,154 --> 00:31:09,388
and they were night
shoots, and it was like,

707
00:31:09,477 --> 00:31:11,554
just kinda bopping around the room.

708
00:31:11,637 --> 00:31:14,056
''Okay get this, get this, get this.''

709
00:31:14,152 --> 00:31:15,328
And then, ''Okay, oh, you know what?''

710
00:31:15,352 --> 00:31:16,275
''We gotta shoot this now.''

711
00:31:16,312 --> 00:31:18,534
So they, ''Okay Jonny, we
need you to go sit there now''

712
00:31:18,558 --> 00:31:19,696
''and make out with Michelle.''

713
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,597
You know, ''I need you to put your hand''

714
00:31:20,632 --> 00:31:22,691
''in between her crotch,''
and like, you know,

715
00:31:22,715 --> 00:31:24,294
Larry's like screaming at me like,

716
00:31:24,318 --> 00:31:25,331
''Rub her crotch harder, man.

717
00:31:25,355 --> 00:31:27,328
''Like, come on, like really
rub her crotch,'' you know?

718
00:31:27,352 --> 00:31:29,094
And it's like, you're like, ''Oh my God.''

719
00:31:29,118 --> 00:31:31,925
Like you know, this is
not like normal, right?

720
00:31:32,037 --> 00:31:33,957
This is not normal, and you know,

721
00:31:34,034 --> 00:31:36,923
I remember kind of feeling a
bit pressured there and stuff.

722
00:31:37,038 --> 00:31:39,577
Here's my tongue and here's a camera

723
00:31:39,678 --> 00:31:42,485
and you know, really wild.

724
00:31:42,597 --> 00:31:43,811
You know, you're a 16-year-old kid.

725
00:31:43,835 --> 00:31:45,856
You don't know what's what,
and you're super stoned.

726
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,606
And you're like, you know,

727
00:31:47,675 --> 00:31:49,091
you're not thinking about
these things really.

728
00:31:49,115 --> 00:31:50,001
You're just like,

729
00:31:50,037 --> 00:31:53,305
''Well, I'm just going
with the flow,'' you know?

730
00:31:53,435 --> 00:31:54,201
You know, they were like,

731
00:31:54,232 --> 00:31:56,272
''Then were gonna do this scene, guys.''

732
00:31:56,354 --> 00:31:58,052
And we're at a party, whatever.

733
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,074
We had our shirts off, they
were like, we got, you know,

734
00:32:01,192 --> 00:32:03,657
''You guys just going to smoke and talk.''

735
00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:05,759
Smoke and talk.

736
00:32:05,838 --> 00:32:09,836
They had a tray of mad pre-rolled blunts.

737
00:32:09,995 --> 00:32:12,959
They came, we smoke, they're like, ''Cut.''

738
00:32:13,077 --> 00:32:14,305
We'd light another blunt.

739
00:32:14,354 --> 00:32:16,468
It was like, ''Cut,'' light another blunt.

740
00:32:16,552 --> 00:32:18,294
'Cause we had to, you
know, have a fresh blunt

741
00:32:18,318 --> 00:32:19,814
every time we started.

742
00:32:19,874 --> 00:32:21,572
I remember us being squished,

743
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,483
fucking smoking weed and just talking,

744
00:32:24,597 --> 00:32:28,945
you know, just talking for
like a hour, they were filming.

745
00:32:29,118 --> 00:32:33,147
We smoked like 10 blunts,
we were high as hell.

746
00:32:34,274 --> 00:32:37,699
We did another scene that
night, I literally fell asleep.

747
00:32:37,835 --> 00:32:40,760
And in the scene, you see me sleeping.

748
00:32:45,995 --> 00:32:48,146
I'm sleeping, I'm really knocked out.

749
00:32:48,232 --> 00:32:51,426
I wake up, 6:00 in the morning,
they're like, ''It's a wrap.''

750
00:32:51,554 --> 00:32:53,751
I'm like, ''Oh shit, all
right, we done? Cool.''

751
00:32:53,838 --> 00:32:54,725
That's how young I was,

752
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,446
I couldn't even stay
up all night, you know?

753
00:32:57,554 --> 00:33:01,541
I was trying to, trying to
hang, but that didn't happen.

754
00:33:05,752 --> 00:33:08,522
I remember filming that pool scene.

755
00:33:08,632 --> 00:33:12,214
I remember them really egging Harold on.

756
00:33:12,357 --> 00:33:14,291
He takes his dick out in, in the script,

757
00:33:14,315 --> 00:33:17,620
Black man's lasso like, so
it wasn't like spontaneous.

758
00:33:17,752 --> 00:33:20,605
But I remember him
being like, ''Uhh...'' you know?

759
00:33:20,718 --> 00:33:24,374
Even Harold, for Harold, it
was a little like, ''Okay.''

760
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,733
You know, and I remember
them sort of egging him on

761
00:33:26,757 --> 00:33:29,369
and like, kinda getting
him riled up to a point

762
00:33:29,474 --> 00:33:32,243
that he would be able
to like, do that and,

763
00:33:32,354 --> 00:33:35,899
and, you know, be that
sort of gregarious with it

764
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,034
and all that stuff.

765
00:33:38,114 --> 00:33:41,077
But I remember Larry totally
getting Harold riled up.

766
00:33:41,195 --> 00:33:44,546
Like Larry knew how to
get that performance

767
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,908
out of Harold.

768
00:33:45,957 --> 00:33:48,459
Like, holy fuck, like it's the antithesis

769
00:33:48,558 --> 00:33:51,596
of, you know, any sort of
like standards and practices.

770
00:33:51,717 --> 00:33:52,970
And I remember being like,

771
00:33:52,994 --> 00:33:54,371
kinda like, ''Whoa,'' you know?

772
00:33:54,395 --> 00:33:56,629
Like here I am coming
from my mom being like,

773
00:33:56,718 --> 00:33:59,913
yo, you wear two pairs of
fucking underwear

774
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,502
and then like, here's Harold
with his dick out, you know,

775
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,253
like in my face, like
you know, and I'm like,

776
00:34:06,357 --> 00:34:08,166
''Oh shit, like, this is real.''

777
00:34:08,238 --> 00:34:09,933
Like this is, ''Okay, so this is what''

778
00:34:09,957 --> 00:34:11,729
''my mom was talking about.''

779
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,332
Everyone's reaction is real.

780
00:34:13,394 --> 00:34:15,414
Like I think I'm like,
''Yo look at his dick.''

781
00:34:15,438 --> 00:34:18,208
And like, you know, all
the girls are like,

782
00:34:18,318 --> 00:34:20,359
You know, it's pretty, it's pretty wild.

783
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,434
You know, it still was a shock.

784
00:34:22,514 --> 00:34:25,865
Justin was so natural,
it was so easy for him.

785
00:34:25,998 --> 00:34:28,288
And you would hear people
on the set always say it.

786
00:34:28,312 --> 00:34:29,281
''Man, he's such a natural.''

787
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,694
Yo, Ham.

788
00:34:31,758 --> 00:34:34,676
That attention, like lifted him up.

789
00:34:34,792 --> 00:34:38,411
It lifted him out of all those

790
00:34:38,555 --> 00:34:41,094
traumatic experiences as a kid.

791
00:34:41,195 --> 00:34:42,650
I mean, I remember
towards the end of filming,

792
00:34:42,674 --> 00:34:45,600
like Justin was getting into trouble.

793
00:34:45,717 --> 00:34:48,754
I think Justin saw that the
end was near with the film

794
00:34:48,875 --> 00:34:51,303
and he didn't want it to stop.

795
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,631
He got arrested in Washington Square Park.

796
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,523
The cops arrested him and then

797
00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:59,677
the production people had to bail him out.

798
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,168
I think that was his way of saying like,

799
00:35:01,192 --> 00:35:03,490
''I don't want this thing to stop.''

800
00:35:04,754 --> 00:35:06,738
Justin had this other flip side, right?

801
00:35:06,798 --> 00:35:10,565
Because when he would drink too much,

802
00:35:10,715 --> 00:35:16,217
that shit would cause fights all the time.

803
00:35:16,437 --> 00:35:20,822
And we would always have to
pull this motherfucker out.

804
00:35:20,997 --> 00:35:26,074
That was scary and
raised concern, you know?

805
00:35:26,277 --> 00:35:27,808
Your brothers and sisters
are there for when you fall.

806
00:35:27,832 --> 00:35:31,377
They catch you, they got you, right?

807
00:35:31,518 --> 00:35:35,867
Something was missing and it was hurting.

808
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,499
Then I found out that he
didn't have his biological dad.

809
00:35:40,677 --> 00:35:45,487
Justin had his mom, and you
know, when she remarried,

810
00:35:45,678 --> 00:35:49,482
the connection fell apart, you know?

811
00:35:49,634 --> 00:35:54,443
And he had the bottle to cope with that.

812
00:35:54,635 --> 00:35:59,325
So when he told me how he felt abandoned,

813
00:35:59,512 --> 00:36:02,208
it made total sense.

814
00:36:02,315 --> 00:36:03,654
I remember one time we talked about it

815
00:36:03,678 --> 00:36:06,365
and I was just like, ''Hey
man, I don't have a dad.''

816
00:36:06,472 --> 00:36:08,512
''My dad's alive, but he's not around.''

817
00:36:08,594 --> 00:36:10,010
''You know what I mean, it's the same.''

818
00:36:10,034 --> 00:36:12,803
He's like, ''But at least
you know where he is,''

819
00:36:12,914 --> 00:36:16,228
and that hit me hard.

820
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,314
It's very significant
when you're a 14-year-old,

821
00:36:19,432 --> 00:36:23,402
15-year-old boy, you never
even knew your biological dad,

822
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,865
your mom remarries, you
hate this motherfucker.

823
00:36:26,997 --> 00:36:30,339
You don't connect with
him because he's abusive.

824
00:36:30,472 --> 00:36:33,205
Clear and Present
Danger was dope, yo.

825
00:36:33,314 --> 00:36:37,588
I can relate to the
abuse, and I'd seen myself.

826
00:36:37,758 --> 00:36:40,722
When my mom got addicted to crack cocaine.

827
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,914
I never noticed the violence
between her and my father.

828
00:36:44,037 --> 00:36:46,769
I didn't get turned on to
that 'til I was about nine.

829
00:36:46,878 --> 00:36:47,968
Then I saw it.

830
00:36:47,992 --> 00:36:51,962
I walked into the kitchen
and he was beating on her

831
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:57,613
and I pulled out a kitchen
knife and I told him to stop.

832
00:36:57,832 --> 00:36:59,531
I can relate to that condition.

833
00:36:59,598 --> 00:37:02,211
I can relate to what he's going through.

834
00:37:02,315 --> 00:37:04,743
Nothing else to be
said, we got each other.

835
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,841
It was just like...

836
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,348
We finished filming around in the summer.

837
00:37:14,478 --> 00:37:20,008
And then way later, Larry
invited the whole crew, right,

838
00:37:21,275 --> 00:37:24,543
To this private screening
studio in Tribeca,

839
00:37:24,674 --> 00:37:28,099
and we got to see it there
before it was released, right?

840
00:37:28,235 --> 00:37:31,540
And that was bugged out, in a good way

841
00:37:31,672 --> 00:37:35,826
because it was, for me, it was empowering.

842
00:37:35,992 --> 00:37:37,696
And it was empowering
because the whole theater

843
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,179
was filled with us.

844
00:37:39,237 --> 00:37:42,080
Every time any one of
us appeared on the screen

845
00:37:42,194 --> 00:37:45,231
for the first time, the entire crew

846
00:37:45,352 --> 00:37:47,198
just like screamed and applauded.

847
00:37:47,272 --> 00:37:49,494
And that, that was honestly
the best part about it

848
00:37:49,518 --> 00:37:51,863
'cause it did feel like
we were in it together.

849
00:37:51,957 --> 00:37:54,532
So even if my one line in the movie was,

850
00:37:54,635 --> 00:37:57,104
I think he was like, ''I
have sex and I like fucking.''

851
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,542
''I don't give a fuck,''
which is just not the thing

852
00:37:59,637 --> 00:38:01,871
that I was excited to be known for.

853
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,837
So even if I had goosebumps of
deep shame and embarrassment,

854
00:38:05,992 --> 00:38:08,882
at least I wasn't alone in it.

855
00:38:08,997 --> 00:38:11,133
We were all together, and like
we were supporting each other

856
00:38:11,157 --> 00:38:12,333
and that was really cool.

857
00:38:12,357 --> 00:38:13,648
And after that, we went to eat.

858
00:38:13,672 --> 00:38:16,368
There was like this crazy buffet of food.

859
00:38:16,475 --> 00:38:20,288
The layout was insane.

860
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,126
Me and Harold was so happy, we was eating,

861
00:38:23,234 --> 00:38:26,003
and the food, fresh fruit
and just everything.

862
00:38:26,114 --> 00:38:27,655
It was like paradise there.

863
00:38:27,717 --> 00:38:30,643
Then they came around
and they like,

864
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,299
they came around and gave
us these bonus checks.

865
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,708
And I think that was because they knew

866
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,025
that like this movie was going to come out

867
00:38:38,114 --> 00:38:40,772
and be a big deal, and
so sorta like hush money,

868
00:38:40,878 --> 00:38:41,682
kind of vibes.

869
00:38:41,714 --> 00:38:43,449
He had like hundred dollar bills

870
00:38:43,518 --> 00:38:45,530
and he counted out 10 hundred dollar bills

871
00:38:45,554 --> 00:38:46,329
and put them in my hand.

872
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,548
And I was like, ''Sweet,'' you know?

873
00:38:48,635 --> 00:38:50,675
But I remember we signed something.

874
00:38:50,757 --> 00:38:52,134
I remember thinking like,
''What does this mean?''

875
00:38:52,158 --> 00:38:53,515
And like, ''This is strange.''

876
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,942
I remember Harold was like crazy psyched

877
00:38:56,037 --> 00:38:59,037
on his bonus check and went
and bought the Air Max 95s,

878
00:38:59,157 --> 00:39:04,040
which had just come out,
and everybody wanted them.

879
00:39:04,235 --> 00:39:05,891
Literally after the
film, it was just like,

880
00:39:05,915 --> 00:39:11,648
''Okay, back to skating,
back to what we know.''

881
00:39:11,877 --> 00:39:13,455
This guy Steven Collins?

882
00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:16,251
That's good, no that's good.

883
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,890
Steven Collins, Jeff
Ping, break out the center.

884
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,093
Mad, though.

885
00:39:24,117 --> 00:39:25,695
My favorite skaters.

886
00:39:25,758 --> 00:39:26,562
- Just drilling, yo.
- Whatcha doing?

887
00:39:26,594 --> 00:39:28,403
Ivan, definitely Ivan.

888
00:39:28,475 --> 00:39:29,241
Ryan Hickey.

889
00:39:29,272 --> 00:39:30,777
Ryan Hickey, definitely.

890
00:39:32,997 --> 00:39:37,077
We were only concerned about
the basic needs to survive.

891
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,003
Where's the next meal coming from?

892
00:39:39,074 --> 00:39:41,114
Where's the roof over my head?

893
00:39:41,195 --> 00:39:43,392
What's next, you know?

894
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,536
We were left where we started from.

895
00:39:49,874 --> 00:39:53,917
After that I didn't see Larry at all.

896
00:39:54,078 --> 00:39:57,153
Larry was hanging out with
us every day for years,

897
00:39:57,275 --> 00:40:03,664
and then just he was gone.

898
00:40:03,918 --> 00:40:05,534
Then I done heard it's gonna be

899
00:40:05,598 --> 00:40:08,977
at the Cannes Film
Festival, which is great.

900
00:40:09,112 --> 00:40:13,192
Nobody was invited, not even Justin.

901
00:40:13,355 --> 00:40:15,779
None of the kids was invited.

902
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,622
That was like a slap in the face.

903
00:40:21,717 --> 00:40:23,489
When it came to those award shows

904
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,822
and all these accolades coming,

905
00:40:25,912 --> 00:40:29,943
crickets, crickets.

906
00:40:30,875 --> 00:40:37,181
Larry and Harmony, those were
the representatives of Kids.

907
00:40:40,638 --> 00:40:44,903
The press conference after
the showing of the movie Kids

908
00:40:45,074 --> 00:40:46,284
that I'm sure you saw in

909
00:40:46,312 --> 00:40:47,549
this morning.

910
00:40:47,598 --> 00:40:48,946
You have a question to ask,

911
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,650
please signal ahead of time.

912
00:40:51,755 --> 00:40:53,675
Go ahead.

913
00:40:53,752 --> 00:40:56,337
Mr. Clark, Carlos Balard from Columbia.

914
00:40:57,678 --> 00:41:01,607
Does youth in New York
have other values than sex,

915
00:41:02,594 --> 00:41:04,098
and other interests in life?

916
00:41:04,158 --> 00:41:06,410
Well, I think when you're
a kid at a certain age,

917
00:41:06,434 --> 00:41:07,283
that's what you think about,

918
00:41:07,317 --> 00:41:08,656
you think about sex all the time.

919
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,490
Richard Brooks, from the London Observer.

920
00:41:10,514 --> 00:41:12,093
Can I just ask Mr. Clark a question?

921
00:41:12,117 --> 00:41:14,305
How old are some of
the actors in the film?

922
00:41:14,392 --> 00:41:16,054
- Well you saw the film?
- Yeah.

923
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,890
They're all like, you
know, different ages.

924
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,733
As regards some of the
more explicit scenes,

925
00:41:20,757 --> 00:41:24,099
what age are some of the
children, the youngsters there?

926
00:41:24,232 --> 00:41:25,081
Which scene?

927
00:41:25,115 --> 00:41:26,896
Well, some of the harder-hitting scenes.

928
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,336
You said earlier that
teenagers only think about sex,

929
00:41:30,472 --> 00:41:31,648
And violence, I said.

930
00:41:31,672 --> 00:41:33,290
And violence, but particularly sex.

931
00:41:33,314 --> 00:41:35,373
And I think we've all been
teenagers at one time or another.

932
00:41:35,397 --> 00:41:37,331
So we all know that we've
all thought about sex,

933
00:41:37,355 --> 00:41:38,454
like crazy teenagers.

934
00:41:38,478 --> 00:41:39,245
Right.

935
00:41:39,275 --> 00:41:42,506
So what's the purpose of the movie?

936
00:41:42,635 --> 00:41:44,980
To make a good movie
and entertain you.

937
00:41:45,074 --> 00:41:47,188
- Yeah?
- Yeah.

938
00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:50,623
When you say an appropriate
age, what do you mean?

939
00:41:50,757 --> 00:41:52,215
I mean, they were, you know,

940
00:41:52,274 --> 00:41:54,508
they were the right age for the movie,

941
00:41:54,597 --> 00:41:55,557
I don't know what you mean.

942
00:41:55,595 --> 00:41:57,977
What does that mean?

943
00:41:58,002 --> 00:41:59,521
What age?

944
00:42:03,275 --> 00:42:04,810
Yes, were they underage?

945
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,173
Which people, you know, specifically?

946
00:42:08,277 --> 00:42:09,638
Well.

947
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,188
Have the actors really used
drugs during the shooting,

948
00:42:15,352 --> 00:42:18,396
or was it just pretending?

949
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,134
You talk, are you asking me?

950
00:42:22,158 --> 00:42:23,460
There was no drugs.

951
00:42:23,512 --> 00:42:25,866
No drugs were used,
no, absolutely not, no.

952
00:42:25,952 --> 00:42:28,036
Not even real whippits?

953
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,727
Sir, was it easy to put together a cast

954
00:42:32,872 --> 00:42:35,568
where you would have young girls

955
00:42:35,675 --> 00:42:37,485
that would have to appear naked?

956
00:42:37,557 --> 00:42:40,048
Listen, if I sound angry,
I hope I don't sound angry,

957
00:42:40,072 --> 00:42:41,171
but I haven't done this before.

958
00:42:41,195 --> 00:42:43,254
And some of these questions
sound like challenges, you know?

959
00:42:43,278 --> 00:42:45,290
Like, ''Why did you do
this, why did you do that?''

960
00:42:45,314 --> 00:42:47,197
Fuck, I don't know, you know?

961
00:42:47,272 --> 00:42:48,371
- Well...
- It's a movie, man.

962
00:42:48,395 --> 00:42:51,977
It's like, you know, movie, movie.

963
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,382
Ladies and gentlemen,
thank you very much.

964
00:43:02,152 --> 00:43:04,250
There's a new film in some
theaters around the country.

965
00:43:04,274 --> 00:43:05,741
This one is called Kids.

966
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,734
This weekend, Kids opened in big cities

967
00:43:07,758 --> 00:43:08,682
around the country.

968
00:43:08,718 --> 00:43:11,368
Picked up and released
by the Weinstein brothers,

969
00:43:11,474 --> 00:43:14,437
It's a little movie which
cost a million dollars to make

970
00:43:14,555 --> 00:43:16,789
about kids in their middle teen years,

971
00:43:16,878 --> 00:43:18,872
crashing through life without supervision

972
00:43:18,952 --> 00:43:20,761
or structure in New York City.

973
00:43:20,834 --> 00:43:23,298
It was my life basically,
that's how I grew up.

974
00:43:23,397 --> 00:43:24,855
They had it down to a T.

975
00:43:24,914 --> 00:43:26,416
Justin was here when the first

976
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,096
magazine article came out about it.

977
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,044
He was just like, ''Oh,
look at this, look at this.''

978
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,290
And it was dope.

979
00:43:33,314 --> 00:43:35,094
We knew things were gonna
happen because of it,

980
00:43:35,118 --> 00:43:37,039
and he kind of felt that way too.

981
00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:38,330
I was really excited for him.

982
00:43:38,354 --> 00:43:41,936
Editorial write-ups and
reviews it got, it was insane.

983
00:43:42,078 --> 00:43:44,497
- It has an authenticity to it.
- Yes it does.

984
00:43:44,594 --> 00:43:47,520
Just kind of blows a
lot of other fiction films

985
00:43:47,637 --> 00:43:48,366
out of the water.

986
00:43:48,395 --> 00:43:50,971
What's making news in
America tonight? Kids.

987
00:43:51,074 --> 00:43:53,575
It's the unexpected hit of
the year, moving to over

988
00:43:53,675 --> 00:43:56,482
160 locations around the
country this weekend.

989
00:43:56,594 --> 00:43:59,400
But I'm like, ''Whoa, people
really want to see this'',

990
00:43:59,512 --> 00:44:00,611
''this must be doing well.''

991
00:44:00,635 --> 00:44:02,330
Well, people just started
saying things to me like,

992
00:44:02,354 --> 00:44:03,894
''You're the girl who was in that movie.''

993
00:44:03,918 --> 00:44:06,069
And I remember realizing that, ''Oh my God'',

994
00:44:06,155 --> 00:44:07,370
''this is actually a really big thing.''

995
00:44:07,394 --> 00:44:09,136
It was like on the cover of Newsweek.

996
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,373
''KIDS'' A wake up call to the world
And I remember like people being like,

997
00:44:11,397 --> 00:44:13,533
''Do you know you're on
the cover of Newsweek?''

998
00:44:13,557 --> 00:44:14,868
The movie's huge.

999
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,262
So we go see the film,
the lines was still around

1000
00:44:18,395 --> 00:44:22,088
the block long, and this is
my first time in the public.

1001
00:44:22,235 --> 00:44:25,429
And I'm sitting there
and we're all together,

1002
00:44:25,557 --> 00:44:28,916
we're watching the
movie, and I'm just like,

1003
00:44:29,954 --> 00:44:35,068
I'm, I don't know, I
don't know what to think.

1004
00:44:35,272 --> 00:44:41,162
I see myself giving a
tutorial on how to take cigars

1005
00:44:41,397 --> 00:44:44,240
and take out the tobacco
and then replace it

1006
00:44:44,354 --> 00:44:47,936
with marijuana, on a screen.

1007
00:44:48,078 --> 00:44:50,051
And everybody's coming outside
and everybody was like,

1008
00:44:50,075 --> 00:44:52,309
''Oh, that's them, that's
them,'' da da da da da.

1009
00:44:52,398 --> 00:44:54,650
Everybody's like, ''Hey,
that's them from the film.''

1010
00:44:54,674 --> 00:44:56,810
The initial reactions
to this film by people

1011
00:44:56,834 --> 00:45:00,065
who just saw it were interesting
because they related to it

1012
00:45:00,194 --> 00:45:01,773
as if somehow it was a documentary.

1013
00:45:01,797 --> 00:45:03,693
- Yeah.
- They didn't believe that those were actors,

1014
00:45:03,717 --> 00:45:04,893
and that that was dialogue.

1015
00:45:04,917 --> 00:45:07,188
Most people thought
it was a documentary.

1016
00:45:07,278 --> 00:45:08,008
Most people.

1017
00:45:08,037 --> 00:45:09,763
Very scary, it's very scary.

1018
00:45:09,832 --> 00:45:11,641
It is not a pretty picture.

1019
00:45:11,714 --> 00:45:15,369
They hang out, act out,
skate fast, go nowhere.

1020
00:45:15,515 --> 00:45:18,552
They swill beer, swear,
smoke dope, have sex.

1021
00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:20,656
It's a deeply shocking
and disturbing film,

1022
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,277
which feels absolutely authentic.

1023
00:45:22,312 --> 00:45:25,008
And everywhere produced
lively arguments.

1024
00:45:25,115 --> 00:45:25,845
Is this real?

1025
00:45:25,874 --> 00:45:27,877
You want to pound this kid.

1026
00:45:27,957 --> 00:45:29,960
Yeah, I hear what people are saying.

1027
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,961
I felt somewhat sort of exposed.

1028
00:45:35,157 --> 00:45:36,966
Not in a good way though, you know?

1029
00:45:37,038 --> 00:45:38,802
And not in a comfortable way.

1030
00:45:38,872 --> 00:45:42,916
Maybe my own insecurities
with myself, right?

1031
00:45:43,077 --> 00:45:44,535
This isn't gonna work for me.

1032
00:45:44,594 --> 00:45:46,366
Well, get him outta here.

1033
00:45:46,437 --> 00:45:48,246
I have no control.

1034
00:45:48,318 --> 00:45:49,777
Hey what, what, what?

1035
00:45:49,835 --> 00:45:50,758
Hey, hey, hey, hey.

1036
00:45:50,795 --> 00:45:53,210
- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
- Get out of here, enough.

1037
00:45:53,234 --> 00:45:54,410
Go take your board,

1038
00:45:54,434 --> 00:45:55,283
get out of here.

1039
00:45:55,317 --> 00:45:58,104
I felt like I was being judged.

1040
00:45:59,397 --> 00:46:02,203
I'm starting to feel like, that aggression

1041
00:46:02,315 --> 00:46:03,894
from where I'm growing up.

1042
00:46:03,957 --> 00:46:07,345
I might get violent, and I
didn't wanna get violent,

1043
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,280
but it was there.

1044
00:46:09,352 --> 00:46:10,768
That's gonna turn me in a direction

1045
00:46:10,792 --> 00:46:12,808
that I cannot turn from.

1046
00:46:13,835 --> 00:46:15,645
I need to get away.

1047
00:46:15,717 --> 00:46:17,450
How is this wrong,
what's wrong about this?

1048
00:46:17,474 --> 00:46:19,865
No, let me just, here for it, man.

1049
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,034
But Harold wanted to
be in people's minds,

1050
00:46:23,157 --> 00:46:25,539
and remembered and spoken of.

1051
00:46:25,634 --> 00:46:28,486
- Hey, great movie.
- Thank you very much.

1052
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,132
Excellent job.

1053
00:46:30,194 --> 00:46:34,043
Watch this.

1054
00:46:34,197 --> 00:46:35,849
Right ‘cause I recognize you.

1055
00:46:35,915 --> 00:46:36,571
Right on.

1056
00:46:36,597 --> 00:46:39,530
But you know, obviously you don't
know him the way he knows you.

1057
00:46:39,554 --> 00:46:41,094
It's okay, tell him I said, “What's up?”

1058
00:46:41,118 --> 00:46:41,613
All right.

1059
00:46:41,637 --> 00:46:44,013
I see you around the neighborhood,
and she said you were in the movie.

1060
00:46:44,037 --> 00:46:44,692
I haven’t seen it yet.

1061
00:46:44,718 --> 00:46:45,411
Right on.

1062
00:46:45,438 --> 00:46:46,854
How did you get in the movie?

1063
00:46:46,878 --> 00:46:48,799
My boy hooked it up.

1064
00:46:48,875 --> 00:46:50,013
Harold?

1065
00:46:50,037 --> 00:46:51,265
Nah, my name's Chris.

1066
00:46:51,314 --> 00:46:52,451
Yo, where Telly at, man?

1067
00:46:52,475 --> 00:46:53,690
You played great in that movie, yo.

1068
00:46:53,714 --> 00:46:56,051
I was like, ''Yo, did you see,
that's my boy Harold, dog!''

1069
00:46:56,075 --> 00:46:56,656
Aight.

1070
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,639
What are you girls doing tonight?

1071
00:47:03,112 --> 00:47:06,389
- You are Harold.
- That's Harold.

1072
00:47:08,277 --> 00:47:10,048
It was really big in like London and Japan

1073
00:47:10,072 --> 00:47:11,728
- and all that stuff.
- Know that, word.

1074
00:47:11,752 --> 00:47:13,829
I don't know, I think, I think I could

1075
00:47:13,912 --> 00:47:17,337
do any fucking film,
I think I could blow any film.

1076
00:47:17,474 --> 00:47:19,588
Like I could bust like Samuel Jackson.

1077
00:47:19,672 --> 00:47:21,334
I'm just telling you straight up.

1078
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,893
I could, I could, I know I can do it.

1079
00:47:22,917 --> 00:47:24,606
I know I could just have people,

1080
00:47:24,674 --> 00:47:26,603
and get attention from all people

1081
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,865
from all across America, around the world.

1082
00:47:33,352 --> 00:47:34,576
There you go, there you have it.

1083
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,891
I have some animosity towards the film

1084
00:47:35,915 --> 00:47:37,014
because it's part of the reason why

1085
00:47:37,038 --> 00:47:39,725
a lot of the guys from the
crew kinda stopped skating

1086
00:47:39,832 --> 00:47:42,565
and started hanging out,
you know what I mean?

1087
00:47:42,674 --> 00:47:44,973
My friends were going out
a lot and partying a lot

1088
00:47:44,997 --> 00:47:47,840
and going out, starting to go
out to clubs and stuff a lot.

1089
00:47:47,954 --> 00:47:50,051
At the drop of a dime, they
would sell their set up or something

1090
00:47:50,075 --> 00:47:52,576
to get money to go out that
night, you know what I mean?

1091
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,093
I didn't like people
from outside the circle

1092
00:47:54,117 --> 00:47:55,850
that didn't skate, they don't understand.

1093
00:47:55,874 --> 00:47:57,654
We all came from fucked
up family situations,

1094
00:47:57,678 --> 00:48:00,486
like the reality of all of that
shit, you know what I mean?

1095
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:01,811
They just see like these, these,

1096
00:48:01,835 --> 00:48:03,530
these cool fucking dudes in a movie,

1097
00:48:03,554 --> 00:48:05,520
not a care in the world.

1098
00:48:05,598 --> 00:48:06,485
It always seemed like those people

1099
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,172
brought some bad shit to the mix,

1100
00:48:08,238 --> 00:48:09,817
bad influences and whatnot.

1101
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,412
And I still wanted to skate.

1102
00:48:11,474 --> 00:48:13,283
People started changing, man.

1103
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,814
At the age of 19, our next
guest wrote the screenplay

1104
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,534
for what has turned out to
be the most talked-about

1105
00:48:24,558 --> 00:48:26,013
film of the year, it's called Kids.

1106
00:48:26,037 --> 00:48:28,732
Ladies and gentlemen, here
he is, Harmony Korine.

1107
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,976
Harmony, come on out and
say hello to the folks.

1108
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,569
I heard through the grapevine.

1109
00:48:32,632 --> 00:48:34,576
Harmony got like some three-picture deal.

1110
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,517
That's dope, got his success.

1111
00:48:37,634 --> 00:48:40,048
And you, you wrote it
when you were 19 years old,

1112
00:48:40,072 --> 00:48:41,814
and how do you get it
turned in from a script?

1113
00:48:41,838 --> 00:48:44,340
How do you get it turned
into a motion picture?

1114
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,009
- Well I'm not sure.
- Yeah.

1115
00:48:46,072 --> 00:48:47,808
Audience laughing

1116
00:48:47,877 --> 00:48:51,108
I mean, Harmony lived
right around the corner from the shop.

1117
00:48:51,237 --> 00:48:55,659
We would see him like
occasionally walk by and say hi.

1118
00:48:55,835 --> 00:48:58,679
I felt him distancing
himself from the crew.

1119
00:48:58,792 --> 00:49:00,728
It wasn't like Washington Square Park,

1120
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,336
we would hang out, and
skate with us all day.

1121
00:49:03,438 --> 00:49:06,402
It was like, ''Yo,'' gone.

1122
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,899
I remember watching Harmony transform

1123
00:49:10,034 --> 00:49:15,573
into like a person that
I didn't recognize.

1124
00:49:18,318 --> 00:49:20,737
At first I took it a
little personal, right?

1125
00:49:20,834 --> 00:49:23,686
I felt betrayed, I felt used,

1126
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,270
We didn't treat each other like that.

1127
00:49:28,235 --> 00:49:31,356
Then I was like, ''Yeah whatever,
I'll just keep it moving.''

1128
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,284
You know, ''I got my brothers,
do what you need to do.''

1129
00:49:35,435 --> 00:49:36,496
You know?

1130
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,013
We was once slumming for a long time,

1131
00:49:38,037 --> 00:49:41,536
but we're doing, we're doing okay now.

1132
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,747
The 1996
Independent Spirit Awards.

1133
00:49:59,358 --> 00:50:02,091
Whoo, ladies and gentlemen,

1134
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,662
we're here today to
celebrate independent film.

1135
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,604
The leading roles created
an opportunity for themselves.

1136
00:50:09,755 --> 00:50:11,528
There was an avenue open for them

1137
00:50:11,598 --> 00:50:14,599
to pursue a career in acting further.

1138
00:50:14,718 --> 00:50:17,294
And the Spirit award goes to

1139
00:50:17,397 --> 00:50:18,782
Justin Pierce for Kids.

1140
00:50:42,597 --> 00:50:46,326
I'm supposed to say
something right now, thank you.

1141
00:50:46,475 --> 00:50:49,974
- I'd like to thank my mom first, obviously.
- Definitely.

1142
00:50:50,114 --> 00:50:53,151
For Larry Clark,
Harmony Korine for writing this,

1143
00:50:53,272 --> 00:50:55,700
who this award really goes to, obviously.

1144
00:50:55,797 --> 00:50:58,211
Because I wouldn't have said
nothing that he didn't write.

1145
00:50:58,235 --> 00:51:00,894
So, now it's Harold's turn to talk.

1146
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,128
I'd like to thank my moms.

1147
00:51:02,152 --> 00:51:05,645
My dad, he locked up in LA.

1148
00:51:06,821 --> 00:51:11,213
And I'd also like to
thank my family.

1149
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,153
That's basically it.

1150
00:51:18,503 --> 00:51:19,846
Peace.

1151
00:51:21,229 --> 00:51:22,241
Thank you.

1152
00:51:29,714 --> 00:51:31,254
I remember him talking to me about it,

1153
00:51:31,278 --> 00:51:33,136
you know, that he's going to move to LA

1154
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,966
and things like that, you know?

1155
00:51:36,078 --> 00:51:37,331
'Cause he wanted to, you know,

1156
00:51:37,355 --> 00:51:39,820
see how we would react, you know?

1157
00:51:39,918 --> 00:51:41,959
And at first he was kind of like nervous,

1158
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,536
but all the homies was like,

1159
00:51:43,595 --> 00:51:47,094
''Nah dude, you gotta be
out, you gotta do it.''

1160
00:51:47,234 --> 00:51:49,311
'Cause he didn't want to leave.

1161
00:51:49,394 --> 00:51:50,416
He didn't want to leave New York.

1162
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,616
He didn't wanna leave his family.

1163
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,373
This is real, Justin
breaking niggers down

1164
00:51:53,397 --> 00:51:55,317
like Evander Holyfield, chill.

1165
00:51:55,394 --> 00:51:57,323
’Til the next episode.

1166
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,772
What could he do to get
from point A to point B?

1167
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,874
And point B is, you know,
having food, clothing,

1168
00:52:02,997 --> 00:52:07,613
and shelter, some sense
of normalcy and safety.

1169
00:52:07,797 --> 00:52:09,985
Assumed he could find that in acting,

1170
00:52:10,072 --> 00:52:12,463
and you know, what better place to go

1171
00:52:12,558 --> 00:52:14,013
than the West Coast to do that.

1172
00:52:14,037 --> 00:52:17,342
You got 120 selections
that I feel with the beat.

1173
00:52:17,474 --> 00:52:19,902
I'm in New York City, got the tickets.

1174
00:52:19,998 --> 00:52:21,491
You can't even buy this good in New York.

1175
00:52:21,515 --> 00:52:25,900
Justin moved out here way
before, like anybody else did.

1176
00:52:26,075 --> 00:52:28,272
Justin was kind of like the pioneer.

1177
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,968
Yeah Justin, you ready to break out?

1178
00:52:29,992 --> 00:52:31,370
I'm ready, dude I can't wait.

1179
00:52:31,394 --> 00:52:33,414
I would come out here,
hang out my girlfriend,

1180
00:52:33,438 --> 00:52:34,730
go back to New York, you know?

1181
00:52:34,754 --> 00:52:35,603
And same for Harold.

1182
00:52:35,637 --> 00:52:38,102
You running one of those
max things, whatever?

1183
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:38,966
I mean like, a...

1184
00:52:38,997 --> 00:52:40,880
Sort of like this free flowing,

1185
00:52:40,955 --> 00:52:42,922
New York to LA kind of vibe.

1186
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,570
- So we stopped like...
- Hi, how are you?

1187
00:52:44,594 --> 00:52:47,536
Everybody here is from New York
right here, except for like, two.

1188
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,331
After a while, you
get used to some shit.

1189
00:52:49,355 --> 00:52:51,238
That's fucked up.

1190
00:52:51,314 --> 00:52:53,094
Just take your dead
ass, take it on the run.

1191
00:52:53,118 --> 00:52:55,343
I ain’t even fucking with this, kid.

1192
00:52:55,432 --> 00:52:59,014
I remember Harold, like just
going up to everybody like,

1193
00:52:59,157 --> 00:53:01,889
''Yo, I'm Kids,'' like,
''Yo, what's up,'' like,

1194
00:53:01,998 --> 00:53:05,036
''Let's work together, you
know, put me in your movie.''

1195
00:53:05,157 --> 00:53:06,573
''Oh hey, nice to meet you, man.''

1196
00:53:06,597 --> 00:53:07,936
''Phenomenal penis in that film,''

1197
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,376
''we should talk about working together.''

1198
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,730
You know, you're like, ''What?

1199
00:53:10,754 --> 00:53:12,138
What the fuck is going on?''

1200
00:53:12,194 --> 00:53:15,194
Now get this guy, get this guy.

1201
00:53:15,314 --> 00:53:16,661
Laughing.

1202
00:53:16,715 --> 00:53:19,097
There's that much raw unadulterated

1203
00:53:19,192 --> 00:53:23,199
brilliance and talent in that life.

1204
00:53:23,358 --> 00:53:26,700
You know, Harold would get
auditions, and I would like

1205
00:53:26,834 --> 00:53:30,259
have to help him, like studying
for auditions and stuff.

1206
00:53:30,395 --> 00:53:33,626
'Cause some learning issues,

1207
00:53:33,755 --> 00:53:35,891
I would help him out, help
him memorize the stuff,

1208
00:53:35,915 --> 00:53:39,414
help him go over it, you know.

1209
00:53:39,554 --> 00:53:42,175
Obviously Justin was
getting a lot of attention.

1210
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,699
You know, Justin would
get all these movies

1211
00:53:44,795 --> 00:53:47,639
and all of sudden it's like,
you know, he is famous.

1212
00:53:47,752 --> 00:53:49,091
Everybody right is
pretty much, represents.

1213
00:53:49,115 --> 00:53:52,540
So we're going to represent
like we down South East.

1214
00:53:52,677 --> 00:53:53,728
New York.

1215
00:53:53,752 --> 00:53:57,565
San Francisco, exactly.

1216
00:53:57,717 --> 00:53:59,728
I’m pretty much Southern
comfortable right now.

1217
00:53:59,752 --> 00:54:01,414
Girl laughing

1218
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,554
I started getting calls
from Justin, right, from Cali.

1219
00:54:04,677 --> 00:54:06,366
Yo, he'd call me.

1220
00:54:06,434 --> 00:54:09,360
And we would talking
and chopping it up, right?

1221
00:54:09,477 --> 00:54:12,551
''Yo how's it going, I'm
doing well,''

1222
00:54:12,674 --> 00:54:17,871
I could hear, I could hear
it that he was lonely.

1223
00:54:18,078 --> 00:54:19,731
- Hey.
- What up, beat.

1224
00:54:19,797 --> 00:54:21,985
Hey yo boss, what's the beat.

1225
00:54:22,072 --> 00:54:26,079
We all knew he was super lonely
because he would tell us.

1226
00:54:26,238 --> 00:54:29,617
The drinking didn't help.

1227
00:54:29,752 --> 00:54:34,183
It stimulated more animosity and rage.

1228
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,007
Yeah, I lost my dad at 12
and a half, but I knew him.

1229
00:54:38,152 --> 00:54:39,649
But he didn't.

1230
00:54:40,638 --> 00:54:43,414
He always felt alone.

1231
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,235
How do you think you would
feel, your friend is,

1232
00:54:46,312 --> 00:54:49,663
comes from the bottom
and is starting to

1233
00:54:49,797 --> 00:54:51,491
make a better life for himself and have

1234
00:54:51,515 --> 00:54:53,728
all these opportunities,
and he's telling you that,

1235
00:54:53,752 --> 00:54:55,792
''There's something bothering me so deep''

1236
00:54:55,874 --> 00:54:58,288
''that I don't even want
none of this shit no more.''

1237
00:54:58,312 --> 00:54:59,739
That's heavy.

1238
00:55:03,237 --> 00:55:05,932
Larry started doing art
shows with all the photos

1239
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,188
he had taken pre-Kids.

1240
00:55:09,314 --> 00:55:11,280
Went to this gallery on Prince Street.

1241
00:55:11,358 --> 00:55:14,045
I remember walking in there and I seen

1242
00:55:14,152 --> 00:55:16,229
a picture of me, and pictures of Harold,

1243
00:55:16,312 --> 00:55:19,238
pictures of all of us, just everybody.

1244
00:55:19,355 --> 00:55:22,392
Like the walls were lined
with pictures of us.

1245
00:55:22,514 --> 00:55:26,289
I think I counted about 51 photos.

1246
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,320
They all had sold out signs next to them.

1247
00:55:29,435 --> 00:55:32,971
I was like, ''Whoa, that's crazy.''

1248
00:55:33,112 --> 00:55:37,543
And the prices were like 3100, 2800, 42.

1249
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:43,102
I was like, ''Damn, this dude
is killing it,'' you know?

1250
00:55:43,317 --> 00:55:45,834
I just assumed there
wouldn't be any pictures of me

1251
00:55:45,918 --> 00:55:47,411
'cause I don't remember
him taking any pictures.

1252
00:55:47,435 --> 00:55:48,813
And then when we went
down and looked at them,

1253
00:55:48,837 --> 00:55:52,493
they were all kinds of
pictures of, of us, you know?

1254
00:55:52,638 --> 00:55:54,131
And that was interesting,
'cause I was like,

1255
00:55:54,155 --> 00:55:55,610
''Wow, I don't remember this at all.''

1256
00:55:55,634 --> 00:55:57,748
He never reached out to anyone and said,

1257
00:55:57,832 --> 00:55:59,909
''This did so well, here,'' you know?

1258
00:55:59,992 --> 00:56:01,974
Like, ''You live in the
projects, like on a fucking''

1259
00:56:01,998 --> 00:56:04,731
''foam sofa, that's in
your hair half the time, like...''

1260
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,016
''Here's a little
extra or something.''

1261
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,609
No, that never happens.

1262
00:56:07,654 --> 00:56:09,481
He got what he wanted.

1263
00:56:09,554 --> 00:56:11,252
Okay, we get that feeling like,

1264
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,013
''Yeah, we... yeah!''
Great, loved it.

1265
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,696
That was gratifying too,

1266
00:56:18,837 --> 00:56:21,145
but there was also a flip side.

1267
00:56:21,237 --> 00:56:23,471
So now the movie's huge.

1268
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,029
It grossed 22 million.

1269
00:56:28,235 --> 00:56:32,814
1.5, and get back 22?

1270
00:56:32,997 --> 00:56:34,849
Somebody's eating.

1271
00:56:35,877 --> 00:56:38,599
That's a, that's, that's a lot.

1272
00:56:40,437 --> 00:56:45,967
''Here's your thousand dollars,
and we own this, later.''

1273
00:56:47,234 --> 00:56:51,933
It was clearly calculated
by someone with experience

1274
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:57,659
on how to manipulate us
into giving up so much

1275
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:03,410
based on where we come from
and what we've experienced.

1276
00:57:05,915 --> 00:57:09,036
That felt off, you know?

1277
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,451
That's when that resentment

1278
00:57:10,475 --> 00:57:13,596
really started to build up, you know?

1279
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,223
What the fuck.

1280
00:57:19,998 --> 00:57:21,992
- We are in...
- How you doing?

1281
00:57:22,072 --> 00:57:23,688
Long Beach, California.

1282
00:57:23,752 --> 00:57:26,176
Harold was frustrated, and
he was trying different things.

1283
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,351
But things weren't hitting for him.

1284
00:57:28,437 --> 00:57:30,611
Harmony, Rosario, Chloe,
they were doing great.

1285
00:57:30,635 --> 00:57:32,214
I mean, they just catapulted.

1286
00:57:32,277 --> 00:57:33,681
They had this support system,

1287
00:57:33,717 --> 00:57:35,369
we didn't have any of that.

1288
00:57:35,435 --> 00:57:37,091
And he wasn't necessarily jealous of them,

1289
00:57:37,115 --> 00:57:38,851
he just wanted to be like

1290
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,173
where they were headed, you know?

1291
00:57:40,197 --> 00:57:42,929
That Kids cloud was hovering around us

1292
00:57:43,038 --> 00:57:43,999
forever now, you know?

1293
00:57:44,037 --> 00:57:47,148
So our crew ended up being
all the kids from Kids.

1294
00:57:47,272 --> 00:57:50,355
That's what we were labeled as.

1295
00:57:50,478 --> 00:57:51,245
You know, he would go out all the time

1296
00:57:51,275 --> 00:57:52,928
because that's what he did.

1297
00:57:52,994 --> 00:57:55,228
Now we go to parties where like, you know,

1298
00:57:55,317 --> 00:57:56,733
Leonardo DiCaprio are hanging out

1299
00:57:56,757 --> 00:57:58,576
and all these big wigs are hanging out.

1300
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,456
Leonardo DiCaprio is like,
''Yo, that's my favorite movie.''

1301
00:58:01,518 --> 00:58:04,980
And you know, Harold is like
swept up by Leonardo DiCaprio

1302
00:58:05,118 --> 00:58:06,079
and his crew of people.

1303
00:58:06,117 --> 00:58:09,385
Man, Leonardo DiCaprio
is downstairs and shit.

1304
00:58:09,515 --> 00:58:10,528
We're gonna hang out.

1305
00:58:10,552 --> 00:58:14,060
You know, there's a
million fucking sycophants

1306
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,530
and there's people that are like,

1307
00:58:15,554 --> 00:58:17,613
''Oh, you know, I'll sell
you the fucking world.''

1308
00:58:17,637 --> 00:58:19,014
''I'll sell you fucking dreams.''

1309
00:58:19,038 --> 00:58:21,845
And I think Harold got
caught up in that for sure

1310
00:58:21,957 --> 00:58:23,094
and liked it, you know?

1311
00:58:23,118 --> 00:58:24,697
I mean, Harold liked it.

1312
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,336
So this a high class fucking place.

1313
00:58:27,438 --> 00:58:28,860
They're doing drugs and shit.

1314
00:58:28,917 --> 00:58:30,294
They're doing drugs
and they don't want get

1315
00:58:30,318 --> 00:58:31,494
the behind the scenes shit.

1316
00:58:31,518 --> 00:58:35,174
He starts getting
into drugs and alcohol.

1317
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,936
Had a rough night.

1318
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,000
Somebody's going to
get hurt from this shit.

1319
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,651
'Cause he don't have
no parents to send him

1320
00:58:41,675 --> 00:58:43,826
to Betty Ford and clean up.

1321
00:58:43,912 --> 00:58:48,555
And that triggered off a lot of concern.

1322
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,963
When I moved to Los Angeles in 1998,

1323
00:58:55,077 --> 00:58:57,088
I was going there to do Teach for America,

1324
00:58:57,112 --> 00:58:58,921
and to teach in Compton.

1325
00:58:58,994 --> 00:59:02,188
We went to this party
in the Hollywood Hills

1326
00:59:02,315 --> 00:59:04,282
and Justin was there.

1327
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,164
And, and Justin was there with
his, with his girlfriend, Gina.

1328
00:59:08,315 --> 00:59:10,697
She was super nice.

1329
00:59:10,792 --> 00:59:12,721
And I remember feeling so happy,

1330
00:59:12,798 --> 00:59:15,605
and he seemed really happy too.

1331
00:59:15,717 --> 00:59:18,366
So I ended up living across
the street from them.

1332
00:59:18,472 --> 00:59:21,555
Justin and Gina were so welcoming

1333
00:59:21,678 --> 00:59:24,341
and they had this awesome
house and they had a backyard.

1334
00:59:24,395 --> 00:59:25,669
They were like boo’d up.

1335
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,453
You know, they were like
living their romantic,

1336
00:59:27,477 --> 00:59:30,440
like happy domestic life together.

1337
00:59:30,558 --> 00:59:33,011
I was skateboarding a lot,
and I was going to LA a lot.

1338
00:59:33,035 --> 00:59:35,232
So I would always stay with Justin.

1339
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,928
I would even read with him sometimes.

1340
00:59:36,952 --> 00:59:40,146
Like I was a big supporter of
it, did a film with Ice Cube.

1341
00:59:40,274 --> 00:59:41,613
He was trying out for Lord of the Rings.

1342
00:59:41,637 --> 00:59:42,736
And I was like, ''Yo, Lord of the Rings.''

1343
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:43,683
''Yo, Lord of the Rings.''

1344
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:44,848
I was like, ''Wow, that's sick.''

1345
00:59:44,872 --> 00:59:47,955
I was like, ''This kid is going up.''

1346
00:59:48,078 --> 00:59:50,192
''He's going, and he's not stopping.''

1347
00:59:50,277 --> 00:59:51,126
So how does that work?

1348
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,691
You're hanging around in
Washington Square Park.

1349
00:59:52,715 --> 00:59:54,562
You're on a skateboard.

1350
00:59:54,635 --> 00:59:57,213
And then you're at a movie,
and now you're in Hollywood

1351
00:59:57,237 --> 00:59:58,490
and you've made two more pictures?

1352
00:59:58,514 --> 00:59:59,968
A Brother's Kiss movie
will come out in the fall.

1353
00:59:59,992 --> 01:00:01,654
Uh-huh, so you're an actor now.

1354
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:02,597
Now I am, yeah.

1355
01:00:02,632 --> 01:00:03,251
Uh-huh.

1356
01:00:03,275 --> 01:00:04,088
Marker.

1357
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,043
Acting was good for him.

1358
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,851
Like I used to make fun of
him all the time for it.

1359
01:00:06,875 --> 01:00:08,952
'Cause like, you sit there for a second

1360
01:00:09,035 --> 01:00:10,336
and get into character like,

1361
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:11,450
''You fucking cheesy motherfucker.''

1362
01:00:11,474 --> 01:00:12,688
Like you know, I used to make fun of him

1363
01:00:12,712 --> 01:00:15,758
all the time for it, but
it was really good for him.

1364
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,054
Where do you see yourself
in, like five years from now?

1365
01:00:18,078 --> 01:00:19,850
Well do you think you're still
going to be doing acting?

1366
01:00:19,874 --> 01:00:22,145
Oh yeah definitely, definitely.

1367
01:00:22,235 --> 01:00:24,848
Made up my mind, and
I'm not gonna give up.

1368
01:00:24,952 --> 01:00:26,493
It must've been like 4:00 and 5:00

1369
01:00:26,517 --> 01:00:28,474
in the morning or something.

1370
01:00:28,552 --> 01:00:31,054
Gina and Justin, and
they seem like a little,

1371
01:00:31,154 --> 01:00:32,493
maybe they were tipsy
or drunk or something.

1372
01:00:32,517 --> 01:00:36,902
They were like ringing my
doorbell and telling me,

1373
01:00:37,077 --> 01:00:39,856
''Hey, like come with us to
Vegas, we're gonna get married.''

1374
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,188
Like they were so excited
and they were not only

1375
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,086
like happy together, but they
were like giddy, you know?

1376
01:00:45,198 --> 01:00:48,310
And it turned out that Gina was pregnant.

1377
01:00:48,434 --> 01:00:49,850
He was like, ''This is so great.''

1378
01:00:49,874 --> 01:00:53,262
I was like, ''This is so
great, this is so exciting.''

1379
01:00:53,397 --> 01:00:56,240
And Justin knew he
needed it, he knew it.

1380
01:00:56,354 --> 01:01:00,046
And a father is a way for
him to fill himself up

1381
01:01:00,194 --> 01:01:01,505
and he was happy because

1382
01:01:01,557 --> 01:01:06,367
he was starting to gain stability.

1383
01:01:06,558 --> 01:01:08,746
In his day-to-day life there was,

1384
01:01:08,834 --> 01:01:12,296
there was a lot that looked to be very

1385
01:01:12,434 --> 01:01:14,705
like comforting in ways that like

1386
01:01:14,795 --> 01:01:16,642
he hadn't really had before.

1387
01:01:16,715 --> 01:01:19,872
They always just seemed really solid.

1388
01:01:19,998 --> 01:01:24,808
And then, and then she lost the baby.

1389
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,231
They were so devastated.

1390
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:33,013
One day Gina called me
and she was really scared.

1391
01:01:33,198 --> 01:01:34,854
And she asked me if I could come over.

1392
01:01:34,878 --> 01:01:36,531
She was like, ''Can you come over?''

1393
01:01:36,597 --> 01:01:39,016
''I really need you to talk to Justin,''

1394
01:01:39,112 --> 01:01:40,543
''and I'm feeling scared.''

1395
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,208
I think he had like pulled a knife on her

1396
01:01:42,232 --> 01:01:43,155
or something like that.

1397
01:01:43,192 --> 01:01:44,330
So she had run away, but she was like,

1398
01:01:44,354 --> 01:01:45,166
''Can you please go over there?''

1399
01:01:45,198 --> 01:01:46,962
Like she was worried about him.

1400
01:01:47,032 --> 01:01:50,383
I went over there and
he seemed really upset

1401
01:01:50,517 --> 01:01:52,751
and like upset at himself.

1402
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,054
That's the sense I got was like,

1403
01:01:54,078 --> 01:01:55,611
''Oh, shit like I'm fucked up.''

1404
01:01:55,672 --> 01:01:58,257
''I'm fucked up in the head,
and like, I fucked up.''

1405
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,545
I remember saying, ''You know,
sometimes in the moment'',

1406
01:02:01,672 --> 01:02:03,414
''things seem really, really
hard, but then like, you know,''

1407
01:02:03,438 --> 01:02:06,513
''if you just like go to sleep
and wake up the next day,''

1408
01:02:06,635 --> 01:02:08,057
''like you feel better.''

1409
01:02:08,114 --> 01:02:10,458
He was feeling really afraid

1410
01:02:10,552 --> 01:02:12,518
that things were not gonna work out.

1411
01:02:12,597 --> 01:02:16,945
What I felt inside for
Justin was deep, deep sadness

1412
01:02:17,118 --> 01:02:19,039
around how much pain he was in.

1413
01:02:19,115 --> 01:02:22,383
Like he was in just a
tremendous amount of pain.

1414
01:02:22,514 --> 01:02:25,255
Their relationship fell apart.

1415
01:02:29,714 --> 01:02:31,025
So now you alone to deal

1416
01:02:31,077 --> 01:02:34,003
with your darkness and you can't.

1417
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,883
I remember talking to me about it.

1418
01:02:35,954 --> 01:02:39,572
He said, ''Yo man, I feel
like killing myself.''

1419
01:02:39,717 --> 01:02:43,714
And I said that, ''That shit is selfish.''

1420
01:02:43,874 --> 01:02:44,834
''You know what I'm saying?''

1421
01:02:44,872 --> 01:02:47,056
'''Cause you're trying to run
from something that you can't.''

1422
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,656
''We can't run from things,
we have to face them.''

1423
01:02:49,758 --> 01:02:52,130
''So where are you gonna go from it?''

1424
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,585
And I could hear that I confronted him

1425
01:02:57,755 --> 01:03:00,792
like how Harold confronted me.

1426
01:03:00,914 --> 01:03:03,044
But 'cause, but that
was the tough love part.

1427
01:03:03,074 --> 01:03:04,096
And that was the part like,

1428
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,037
''Yo man, all the stuff you've been doing,''

1429
01:03:07,154 --> 01:03:08,963
''you're doing really well, man.''

1430
01:03:09,035 --> 01:03:14,574
''Like you such a powerful individual.''

1431
01:03:16,955 --> 01:03:19,799
''Get a grip bro, get a grip.''

1432
01:03:19,912 --> 01:03:22,451
''Like we all have to find that grip.''

1433
01:03:22,552 --> 01:03:26,439
''And dude, you're on a whole
‘nother level energy-wise.''

1434
01:03:26,594 --> 01:03:29,297
''You gotta grip up, man.''

1435
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,357
Justin Pierce, who rose to notoriety

1436
01:03:47,435 --> 01:03:50,362
as a skateboarding delinquent
in the 1995 film Kids

1437
01:03:50,478 --> 01:03:53,940
was found dead in his Las Vegas
hotel room Monday evening.

1438
01:03:54,078 --> 01:03:55,648
County coroner Ron Flood confirmed

1439
01:03:55,672 --> 01:03:57,712
that quote, hanging is the cause of death,

1440
01:03:57,794 --> 01:04:00,794
and the manner of death is suicide.

1441
01:04:00,914 --> 01:04:03,601
Pierce was just 25 years old.

1442
01:04:19,595 --> 01:04:21,537
''Peter, you got a phone call.''

1443
01:04:22,514 --> 01:04:25,483
And then he told me, “Yo, Justin died.”

1444
01:04:31,397 --> 01:04:33,537
And it just crushed me, man.

1445
01:04:34,514 --> 01:04:35,651
He didn't mean to do it.

1446
01:04:35,675 --> 01:04:37,696
Like he was just acting
out like, that's it.

1447
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,874
Like I know him, like this
was not what was meant to be.

1448
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,385
He's not one to be alone, like especially

1449
01:04:44,478 --> 01:04:46,614
when he's fucked up, and
especially if he's hurting.

1450
01:04:46,638 --> 01:04:48,530
It's really fucked up.

1451
01:05:02,238 --> 01:05:06,430
I think if Justin didn't go
to LA he would have been okay.

1452
01:05:06,597 --> 01:05:08,531
We were each other's
support system for so long

1453
01:05:08,555 --> 01:05:11,489
that things really did start
to fall apart after that.

1454
01:05:14,315 --> 01:05:16,466
I don't think if the film happened,

1455
01:05:16,552 --> 01:05:18,747
I don't think Justin would've been dead.

1456
01:05:19,445 --> 01:05:21,770
So I wish it never happened.

1457
01:05:26,354 --> 01:05:27,894
I thought all of this
stuff was supposed to

1458
01:05:27,918 --> 01:05:30,568
make our lives better and enrich us,

1459
01:05:30,674 --> 01:05:33,369
you know, and take us further.

1460
01:05:33,477 --> 01:05:37,511
All this notoriety and fame,
all this stuff, it's over.

1461
01:05:37,672 --> 01:05:42,906
This whole, ''We this, we that,'' it's over.

1462
01:05:43,115 --> 01:05:44,951
It's over guys.

1463
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,623
It's done.

1464
01:05:51,918 --> 01:05:55,732
I'm gonna take this as a sign to grow up.

1465
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,740
Harold bugged out.

1466
01:06:06,674 --> 01:06:10,136
And from that moment, I
don't know what it was,

1467
01:06:10,274 --> 01:06:13,274
but I saw like, yo, this dude,

1468
01:06:13,394 --> 01:06:17,169
whatever he does from this point on,

1469
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,318
he was gonna do to the fullest.

1470
01:06:27,918 --> 01:06:30,374
Yo, Harold!

1471
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:35,828
What's going on, man?

1472
01:06:35,877 --> 01:06:39,107
- Hey man.
- What's going on?

1473
01:06:41,397 --> 01:06:45,514
I separated myself from
everything revolving around that

1474
01:06:45,678 --> 01:06:48,615
'cause I have a family
and a whole new life.

1475
01:06:49,758 --> 01:06:55,990
That was a really daunting
and troublesome time for me.

1476
01:06:56,238 --> 01:06:59,119
Dealing with your dysfunctions as a kid

1477
01:06:59,234 --> 01:07:02,373
and how that's rolling
over into your family.

1478
01:07:03,794 --> 01:07:06,225
And I was petrified.

1479
01:07:09,755 --> 01:07:15,876
You know, Harold's skating
less, he's partying more.

1480
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,248
He's drinking more, drugging more,

1481
01:07:22,034 --> 01:07:24,268
and he's not getting work.

1482
01:07:24,357 --> 01:07:27,662
You know, like acting work.

1483
01:07:27,794 --> 01:07:29,853
You know, he's walking
around on the strength

1484
01:07:29,877 --> 01:07:34,760
of his name and how he treated people.

1485
01:07:34,955 --> 01:07:37,420
So when he started to
break down, and needed

1486
01:07:37,518 --> 01:07:42,014
a new coping mechanism,
it made total sense.

1487
01:07:53,118 --> 01:07:56,654
I'm a college student, I'm a
fucking college student.

1488
01:07:56,795 --> 01:07:59,260
Sounded depressed, right?

1489
01:07:59,358 --> 01:08:00,928
Sounded real depressed
right now, don't he?

1490
01:08:00,952 --> 01:08:03,343
I need a motherfucking
beer right now.

1491
01:08:03,438 --> 01:08:05,956
I feel like people took
advantage of the situation.

1492
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,385
They would do it in such a slick way

1493
01:08:08,478 --> 01:08:10,592
that he thought he was coming up.

1494
01:08:10,677 --> 01:08:14,213
I'm 15 a month, I could
get along with that, right?

1495
01:08:14,354 --> 01:08:16,173
I could get along with
that, on the low, right?

1496
01:08:16,197 --> 01:08:18,043
Because he wasn't educated

1497
01:08:18,117 --> 01:08:21,491
society’s gonna take advantage of you if
you don't know what the fuck you're doing.

1498
01:08:21,515 --> 01:08:23,666
This fucking drug dude in Milwaukee,

1499
01:08:23,752 --> 01:08:25,293
wants me to write for his company,

1500
01:08:25,317 --> 01:08:27,770
and be sponsored by one of
them companies that they,

1501
01:08:27,794 --> 01:08:29,334
like they ain't doing good, right?

1502
01:08:29,358 --> 01:08:30,813
He thought it would pay off eventually

1503
01:08:30,837 --> 01:08:33,182
for him some how, some way.

1504
01:08:33,275 --> 01:08:35,450
People ripped him off and
they did a good job at it.

1505
01:08:35,474 --> 01:08:38,437
I put on mad companies, mad companies.

1506
01:08:38,555 --> 01:08:39,368
So whatever all would that do?

1507
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,133
Mad sketchy companies like the one dude

1508
01:08:41,157 --> 01:08:42,367
with the coke habit.

1509
01:08:42,395 --> 01:08:43,623
What happened, yo?

1510
01:08:43,672 --> 01:08:45,371
One dude, like did so much coke

1511
01:08:45,438 --> 01:08:47,322
that he fucking spent all his money.

1512
01:08:47,397 --> 01:08:50,822
Instead of giving him money,
the money that he deserved,

1513
01:08:50,958 --> 01:08:52,096
they gave him a bag of coke.

1514
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:52,960
Shut the fuck up.

1515
01:08:52,994 --> 01:08:57,037
And I got mad at my brother
because we're men now.

1516
01:08:57,198 --> 01:08:58,777
We're not fucking kids.

1517
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,840
And those motherfuckers that
do that type of shit, they win.

1518
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,683
'Cause I wanna get paid, fuck that.

1519
01:09:04,792 --> 01:09:07,755
Are you writing with somebody now?

1520
01:09:07,874 --> 01:09:10,911
One day, we was in
front of Supreme, right?

1521
01:09:11,032 --> 01:09:13,848
So Harold said to me, ''Yo,
you got five dollars?''

1522
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,530
So I said, ''Yo, why are
you asking me for money?''

1523
01:09:15,554 --> 01:09:17,557
''You got money in your pocket, yo.''

1524
01:09:17,637 --> 01:09:18,597
''Yeah, 'cause you're gonna buy coke,''

1525
01:09:18,635 --> 01:09:20,416
''so you're asking me for five dollars?''

1526
01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:22,240
'Cause he's addicted to it.

1527
01:09:22,312 --> 01:09:27,011
And then that flashback of when
he screamed at me in the park.

1528
01:09:27,198 --> 01:09:28,451
Just like how he confronted me,

1529
01:09:28,475 --> 01:09:29,703
I could do that too.

1530
01:09:29,752 --> 01:09:32,416
''No, I ain't giving it to you
because that's some bullshit.

1531
01:09:32,440 --> 01:09:34,451
'''Cause you be around
all these other people

1532
01:09:34,475 --> 01:09:37,088
''and now you around the
family and I'm telling you

1533
01:09:37,192 --> 01:09:40,737
''I'm confronting you,
so what you want to do?''

1534
01:09:40,878 --> 01:09:42,208
''And I have the right to say that.''

1535
01:09:42,232 --> 01:09:44,623
''And I have the right to
feel this way to say that''

1536
01:09:44,718 --> 01:09:46,288
''just like you had the
right to feel that way''

1537
01:09:46,312 --> 01:09:50,199
''and say what you said to
me, which impacted my life.''

1538
01:09:50,354 --> 01:09:54,556
That was my way of saying,
''Yo, I care about you bro.''

1539
01:09:55,797 --> 01:09:57,830
Harold is gonna do what
Harold is gonna do.

1540
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,994
Fine, he's entitled to that.

1541
01:10:00,078 --> 01:10:03,771
I know he knew where I was coming from.

1542
01:10:03,918 --> 01:10:07,685
But as far as skating and
acting, that was washed up.

1543
01:10:07,835 --> 01:10:10,217
Now he was reduced to nothing.

1544
01:10:10,312 --> 01:10:12,620
How you doing, I'm Harold Hunter,

1545
01:10:12,712 --> 01:10:14,948
and you're watching armpit TV.

1546
01:10:21,515 --> 01:10:25,245
He had to go back there, Campos Plaza

1547
01:10:25,394 --> 01:10:29,354
on 13th street between
Avenue B and Avenue C.

1548
01:10:29,512 --> 01:10:35,051
That was always where he ended up at.

1549
01:10:38,277 --> 01:10:40,413
I remember he would tell
me, you know, he was like,

1550
01:10:40,437 --> 01:10:41,814
''I don't want to die
in the projects, man.''

1551
01:10:41,838 --> 01:10:43,648
''I don't want to die, you
know, I don't wanna die.''

1552
01:10:43,672 --> 01:10:46,137
And it's that, that
cycle, that vicious cycle.

1553
01:10:46,235 --> 01:10:48,333
The guy on the top, the guy on the bottom,
and Harold was on the bottom

1554
01:10:48,357 --> 01:10:49,936
and he didn't like being on the bottom.

1555
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,222
And he used to being open about it.

1556
01:10:52,312 --> 01:10:54,546
I know he's not my
friend anymore, you know.

1557
01:10:54,635 --> 01:10:56,906
- Damn.
- I think he's a little nuts.

1558
01:10:56,997 --> 01:10:59,613
Dog, don't let anybody use you
in this world, all right?

1559
01:10:59,637 --> 01:11:02,332
He starts to build up some resentment.

1560
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:07,167
Harold's that dude, he'll say it.

1561
01:11:07,355 --> 01:11:08,814
He'll say it straight.

1562
01:11:08,872 --> 01:11:10,875
And action.

1563
01:11:10,955 --> 01:11:16,799
Yo, this is Harold Hunter,
and this is my story.

1564
01:11:17,032 --> 01:11:18,650
But with all the
connections that you had

1565
01:11:18,674 --> 01:11:20,771
from like Kids and all the
people you worked with,

1566
01:11:20,795 --> 01:11:21,808
you can't get work?

1567
01:11:21,832 --> 01:11:23,968
- I mean having connections doesn't help?
- They're trying to look out, man.

1568
01:11:23,992 --> 01:11:25,974
They're only looking
out for their self, yo.

1569
01:11:25,998 --> 01:11:28,768
After the movie was over,
it was weird, it was like,

1570
01:11:28,878 --> 01:11:33,070
we were stars, but we had nothing.

1571
01:11:33,237 --> 01:11:36,625
I made $1000 off that
film, it was non-union.

1572
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,493
- That's all you made?
- I made $1000.

1573
01:11:38,517 --> 01:11:40,825
At the time I was like, ''Wow, $1000?''

1574
01:11:40,917 --> 01:11:42,650
Right, but that ain't
shit for what movie...

1575
01:11:42,674 --> 01:11:44,982
That shit ain't nothing, dogs.

1576
01:11:45,074 --> 01:11:48,000
And me and my man
Hamilton at the time was like,

1577
01:11:48,117 --> 01:11:50,886
''Yo man I can't, yo
I didn't eat today or nothing.''

1578
01:11:50,997 --> 01:11:53,840
''Can I get some money for food?''

1579
01:11:53,954 --> 01:11:56,612
He always had his hopes up.

1580
01:11:56,718 --> 01:11:57,971
''They're not going to forget about me.''

1581
01:11:57,995 --> 01:12:00,208
''They gonna remember me,
they're gonna help me.''

1582
01:12:00,232 --> 01:12:02,854
''Those are my friends.''

1583
01:12:02,958 --> 01:12:04,491
They just didn't come through.

1584
01:12:04,552 --> 01:12:06,681
What's going on right there?

1585
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,411
Every time I tried to talk
to them about drugs, like,

1586
01:12:23,435 --> 01:12:26,325
it's either like, ''Mind
your business,'' or like,

1587
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:28,691
''Nigger, you do that too,''
you know what I mean?

1588
01:12:28,715 --> 01:12:31,374
But like I learned my
lesson, so why the fuck

1589
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:33,936
I would do some that'd kill my mother?

1590
01:12:34,034 --> 01:12:36,425
Right now I didn't want
my brother to disappear.

1591
01:12:36,450 --> 01:12:38,296
You know what I mean?

1592
01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:40,522
Like me and my brother
had a crazy argument.

1593
01:12:40,552 --> 01:12:42,774
Like I'm telling you, like
we're about to kill each other.

1594
01:12:42,798 --> 01:12:44,656
And then my son walks
into the living room,

1595
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,490
he starts playing with my son and he goes,

1596
01:12:46,514 --> 01:12:48,785
''Yo, chill out Ron, your kid is here.''

1597
01:12:48,875 --> 01:12:50,771
I'm still mad, but now he's
throwing my son in the air.

1598
01:12:50,795 --> 01:12:53,602
They're laughing.

1599
01:12:53,714 --> 01:12:55,523
Like bro, we just had a fucking,

1600
01:12:55,595 --> 01:12:57,285
we just had an argument.

1601
01:12:57,352 --> 01:12:59,198
Like this is serious right now.

1602
01:12:59,272 --> 01:13:01,705
And like, I just walked away from him.

1603
01:13:02,958 --> 01:13:07,626
He went to a party, and I remember
him coming back, it was like,

1604
01:13:08,594 --> 01:13:11,790
like 10:30, 11:00 at night, and.

1605
01:13:16,274 --> 01:13:17,891
The nigger was like,
''Yo Ronald, I love you.''

1606
01:13:17,915 --> 01:13:20,048
''I love you, love you.''

1607
01:13:28,970 --> 01:13:30,892
Yeah, so um...

1608
01:13:33,678 --> 01:13:35,759
I think, uh...

1609
01:13:37,998 --> 01:13:39,568
but I remember checking on him and I like

1610
01:13:39,592 --> 01:13:41,126
bugged the fuck out.

1611
01:13:42,232 --> 01:13:43,254
You know what I mean?

1612
01:13:43,278 --> 01:13:45,236
You know, I shook the
nigger mad times.

1613
01:13:54,861 --> 01:13:56,733
GUIDETTI FUNERAL HOME, INC.
CRESTWOOD MEMORIAL CHAPEL, INC.

1614
01:13:56,757 --> 01:13:58,837
Like, are you fucking kidding me? Like...

1615
01:14:01,038 --> 01:14:03,119
just guilt and sadness.

1616
01:14:04,437 --> 01:14:05,776
And then it's like oh,
we all know what to do.

1617
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,985
We all meet up, and we
all drink and we all cry

1618
01:14:09,112 --> 01:14:11,540
and we all go to the
wake and we all bury him.

1619
01:14:11,637 --> 01:14:15,062
And it's the same thing
again, the same fucking place.

1620
01:14:15,198 --> 01:14:18,854
Like it's just, it's
just too much already.

1621
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,077
He passed away in the projects.

1622
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,572
That for me is tough.

1623
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,142
It's tough, you know?

1624
01:14:34,552 --> 01:14:37,866
This line of people walking
up to pay their respects,

1625
01:14:37,998 --> 01:14:40,186
to see Harold.

1626
01:14:40,274 --> 01:14:45,813
People from all over, it was incredible.

1627
01:14:52,274 --> 01:14:57,434
What is it about Harold that he's able

1628
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,179
to connect with all these people?

1629
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,274
What is it about this guy?

1630
01:15:02,354 --> 01:15:06,776
What special quality does
he hold, does he contain?

1631
01:15:06,952 --> 01:15:09,343
I say yo Harold should
have been the most gulliest

1632
01:15:09,438 --> 01:15:13,703
criminal out, being in
a movie that becomes

1633
01:15:13,874 --> 01:15:17,105
a fucking cultural classic.

1634
01:15:17,234 --> 01:15:20,963
And you end up going back to 13th Street,

1635
01:15:21,112 --> 01:15:26,651
between Avenue B and C, apartment 5C,

1636
01:15:28,475 --> 01:15:30,857
And still have a smile on your face,

1637
01:15:30,952 --> 01:15:32,881
and still wanna make people happy,

1638
01:15:32,958 --> 01:15:36,190
and still wanna stay out of trouble.

1639
01:15:36,318 --> 01:15:39,525
Yo, that takes a lot of strength to do.

1640
01:15:42,395 --> 01:15:46,001
And with all that, this still happened.

1641
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,228
There's no escape,

1642
01:15:52,398 --> 01:15:55,142
'cause you've got no
one around to guide you.

1643
01:15:56,267 --> 01:15:57,994
You're vulnerable.

1644
01:16:04,878 --> 01:16:08,751
This is years, I'm wiping
years out of my face.

1645
01:16:10,312 --> 01:16:14,181
Years of pain, years of lessons.

1646
01:16:17,157 --> 01:16:20,813
It's so hard to be vulnerable,
you know what I mean?

1647
01:16:20,958 --> 01:16:24,447
And this world doesn't allow
you to be vulnerable.

1648
01:16:29,397 --> 01:16:31,742
If this happened to Harold,

1649
01:16:31,835 --> 01:16:34,447
what's going to happen to the rest of us?

1650
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:39,631
I need to heal myself
from all of this, man.

1651
01:16:39,717 --> 01:16:41,637
All these traumas man, you know?

1652
01:16:41,714 --> 01:16:44,982
I need to fix it up because,

1653
01:16:45,112 --> 01:16:46,921
Hey Cosmo, stop watching the movie.

1654
01:16:46,994 --> 01:16:47,806
Now I'm a father.

1655
01:16:47,838 --> 01:16:49,334
Cosmo.

1656
01:16:49,394 --> 01:16:53,668
It's my duty for my son
to be there for them.

1657
01:16:53,838 --> 01:16:56,109
I need to teach them what I've learned,

1658
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,311
what I've learned from Harold and Justin.

1659
01:16:59,435 --> 01:17:01,658
- Keep going.
- Okay.

1660
01:17:02,354 --> 01:17:04,126
I'm gonna keep going.

1661
01:17:04,197 --> 01:17:08,158
Stuff they were never able
to learn from their fathers.

1662
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,790
Okay, one second.

1663
01:17:15,352 --> 01:17:16,986
Yep, whenever you're ready.

1664
01:17:18,117 --> 01:17:21,117
So, my name's Michael
Hayes and I'm from Canberra.

1665
01:17:21,237 --> 01:17:24,237
I'm Australian, and I'm
the biological father

1666
01:17:24,357 --> 01:17:26,434
of Justin Pierce.

1667
01:17:26,517 --> 01:17:32,711
It had been 35 years since Justin was born

1668
01:17:32,958 --> 01:17:37,034
when I found out that he
had actually been born.

1669
01:17:38,517 --> 01:17:41,554
The story goes back to the 1970s.

1670
01:17:41,675 --> 01:17:46,328
In May of '74 I lived in a
house out in West London.

1671
01:17:46,514 --> 01:17:49,551
Before I knew it I'd
fallen into a relationship

1672
01:17:49,672 --> 01:17:52,432
with a young Welsh girl, Meryl.

1673
01:17:53,195 --> 01:17:55,078
Meryl was quite a character.

1674
01:17:55,154 --> 01:17:58,505
She loved to sing, loved
to party in a good way.

1675
01:17:58,638 --> 01:18:03,510
We enjoyed ourselves for a few
months and then parted ways.

1676
01:18:04,312 --> 01:18:07,128
“I'm gonna go back to
Australia and go to university

1677
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,010
“and get a career.”

1678
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,659
I headed back here and did exactly that,

1679
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,018
and completely lost track of her.

1680
01:18:16,034 --> 01:18:17,604
Time went by.

1681
01:18:18,357 --> 01:18:21,979
I'd been married and
I had two kids by this stage.

1682
01:18:24,558 --> 01:18:27,300
It was coming around to
my 60th birthday party,

1683
01:18:28,072 --> 01:18:30,463
and then a couple of
people turned up very late.

1684
01:18:30,558 --> 01:18:32,810
And these are a couple who
had been over to London

1685
01:18:32,834 --> 01:18:35,834
probably about a year
after I'd been there.

1686
01:18:35,954 --> 01:18:38,649
We got chatting about old times as you do,

1687
01:18:38,757 --> 01:18:42,985
and they mentioned that Meryl
had died six years back.

1688
01:18:43,154 --> 01:18:46,080
And I said, ''Oh I hadn't heard
that, that's terrible.''

1689
01:18:46,197 --> 01:18:49,197
Went on to say that the
tragedy was really double

1690
01:18:49,317 --> 01:18:54,699
because not that long
back, her son had also died

1691
01:18:54,914 --> 01:18:57,148
and they thought oh, maybe she died a bit

1692
01:18:57,237 --> 01:18:59,296
of a broken heart because
they said she'd been

1693
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,699
completely destroyed by
the, the whole thing.

1694
01:19:02,834 --> 01:19:05,492
I said, ''What do you know about him?''

1695
01:19:05,598 --> 01:19:07,980
And he said, ''Oh, oh,
oh, I can't really tell you''

1696
01:19:08,075 --> 01:19:10,614
''very much about that, except he looks''

1697
01:19:10,715 --> 01:19:12,562
''a hell of a lot like you.''

1698
01:19:12,635 --> 01:19:14,251
And I went, ''Whoa, okay.''

1699
01:19:14,315 --> 01:19:17,085
I said, ''Do you even have a name for him?''

1700
01:19:17,195 --> 01:19:20,232
Yeah, I went straight
online and Googled the name

1701
01:19:20,354 --> 01:19:22,818
Justin Pierce, and up came a photo

1702
01:19:22,917 --> 01:19:27,190
that I swear was, it could've
been me at the same age.

1703
01:19:28,235 --> 01:19:30,312
So I stared and stared at it and thought,

1704
01:19:30,395 --> 01:19:32,168
this can't be real.

1705
01:19:32,238 --> 01:19:34,814
As soon as I found out the dates,

1706
01:19:34,917 --> 01:19:36,375
I figured out straight away,

1707
01:19:36,434 --> 01:19:39,393
there is a strong
possibility that he was mine.

1708
01:19:41,234 --> 01:19:43,237
Not too long before his mum died,

1709
01:19:43,317 --> 01:19:46,474
she came back to Wales
to be with her family.

1710
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,099
And she knew she was dying
there from, from cancer.

1711
01:19:50,238 --> 01:19:52,078
And shortly before she died, she said,

1712
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,256
''Oh look, there's one thing
I want you to do for me.''

1713
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,197
''That if you ever see Michael again,''

1714
01:19:57,314 --> 01:20:00,665
''please tell him that he had a son.''

1715
01:20:00,798 --> 01:20:04,737
That secret, it robbed two people.

1716
01:20:06,635 --> 01:20:08,639
An awful human tragedy,

1717
01:20:08,718 --> 01:20:11,018
that he was never able to find his father.

1718
01:20:13,077 --> 01:20:15,117
But Meryl had her own reasons.

1719
01:20:15,198 --> 01:20:16,375
I guess she was very protective

1720
01:20:16,399 --> 01:20:18,582
of the one little boy she had.

1721
01:20:19,765 --> 01:20:23,167
Probably not a lot of point
in me trying to work out why.

1722
01:20:25,154 --> 01:20:26,658
I'd lost two brothers already,

1723
01:20:26,718 --> 01:20:29,214
and then to find that
I'd lost the son as well

1724
01:20:29,806 --> 01:20:32,925
was just another knife being twisted.

1725
01:20:46,652 --> 01:20:50,042
It cuts me deeply, that
I was not there for him.

1726
01:20:51,678 --> 01:20:55,737
I just wished I could
have had him in my life.

1727
01:20:58,636 --> 01:21:00,018
But you know,

1728
01:21:01,317 --> 01:21:03,057
yeah it's hard.

1729
01:21:05,272 --> 01:21:07,487
What more can I say?

1730
01:21:22,513 --> 01:21:24,901
When you're breaking a cycle,

1731
01:21:26,478 --> 01:21:29,221
the only way out is through.

1732
01:21:30,194 --> 01:21:33,495
That there's no other way to it, but that.

1733
01:21:36,837 --> 01:21:38,656
'Cause people think
people from the projects

1734
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:43,407
are inferior in society, and
because you come from poverty

1735
01:21:43,595 --> 01:21:45,967
and you know, you don't
have both of your parents,

1736
01:21:45,995 --> 01:21:49,956
you can be used at the disposal of those

1737
01:21:50,114 --> 01:21:54,813
of some type of social
and economic status.

1738
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,456
I appreciate that I've experienced it.

1739
01:21:57,554 --> 01:22:00,942
I also appreciate that I no
longer need that experience

1740
01:22:01,077 --> 01:22:04,806
so I can peacefully walk away.

1741
01:22:04,955 --> 01:22:07,688
Leaving New York, moving
to the Netherlands

1742
01:22:07,797 --> 01:22:09,108
was not a easy ride.

1743
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,542
Make no mistake, it was hard.

1744
01:22:11,637 --> 01:22:14,637
Justin and Harold are superheroes to me.

1745
01:22:14,757 --> 01:22:17,028
You know, those are my superheroes.

1746
01:22:17,118 --> 01:22:20,885
They made it possible
for me to keep going.

1747
01:22:24,914 --> 01:22:28,800
I have many dark periods, which we all do.

1748
01:22:28,955 --> 01:22:34,494
Years of pain, and people
are still struggling with it.

1749
01:22:36,837 --> 01:22:40,566
Justin is remembered as the
guy who committed suicide

1750
01:22:40,591 --> 01:22:43,065
by hanging himself at
the hotel in Las Vegas.

1751
01:22:43,112 --> 01:22:45,432
I heard that Justin Pearce
was working the graveyard shit.

1752
01:22:45,832 --> 01:22:49,876
Harold's legacy is remembered
as the guy from Kids.

1753
01:22:50,043 --> 01:22:51,988
Yeh he died of a heart attack due to cocaine...
- Who died of a overdose.

1754
01:22:52,012 --> 01:22:53,012
He died from o.d on coke

1755
01:22:53,073 --> 01:22:55,682
cocaine-induced heart attack. double sad.

1756
01:22:56,555 --> 01:22:59,440
What about those other experiences though?

1757
01:23:01,038 --> 01:23:04,039
Just because your, your
friend can't take it no more,

1758
01:23:04,158 --> 01:23:05,853
they don't want to be here no more,

1759
01:23:05,877 --> 01:23:07,954
doesn't mean you failed.

1760
01:23:08,037 --> 01:23:10,686
That person is a
reflection of us all.

1761
01:23:10,792 --> 01:23:14,106
That's an opportunity for you.

1762
01:23:14,238 --> 01:23:17,737
It's almost like them
sacrificing themselves for you.

1763
01:23:17,877 --> 01:23:19,917
That's legacy.

1764
01:23:19,998 --> 01:23:24,153
Fast forward to today, some
of us have families of our own

1765
01:23:24,318 --> 01:23:27,974
and it's like people who had
these dysfunctional upbringings

1766
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,000
doing pretty well right now, you know?

1767
01:23:31,115 --> 01:23:33,497
And they've acquired a certain knowledge

1768
01:23:33,592 --> 01:23:37,182
that they passed on to
their children, you know?

1769
01:23:38,315 --> 01:23:40,282
What's gonna be their legacy?

1770
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:44,357
Making this place a better
place for our children.

1771
01:23:44,517 --> 01:23:48,042
Memories and experiences,
that's what we grow from.

1772
01:23:49,835 --> 01:23:54,635
Far as I'm concerned, Harold
and Justin's legacy is us.

1773
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:04,300
Larry Clark and Harmony Korine
declined to participate in this film.

1774
01:24:05,397 --> 01:24:09,126
Hey Larry, how's it
going, man, it's Hamilton.

1775
01:24:09,275 --> 01:24:10,336
Who is this?

1776
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:11,662
It's Hamilton.

1777
01:24:11,690 --> 01:24:13,096
Let me call you back.

1778
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:17,667
Michael Hayes is in
contact with Justin's friends.

1779
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,456
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