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[interviewer]
All right, let's do this.
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- All right, guys, we rollin'?
- [cameraman] Rolling.
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- All right, we're ready to start.
- Okay.
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Tell me your name and tell me what you do
in the music industry.
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I'm Amy Grant.
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And I have been making music and telling
stories since I was a teenager.
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[pensive music playing]
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[interviewer] There's no really rules
about it.
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You can be expressive with your hands
and that type of stuff.
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You don't have to be contained to a box.
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- Yeah.
- So just be you.
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Well, I was
"Mike Smith" growing up. [laughs]
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- Good.
- But Michael W. Smith.
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[interviewer] You talk, uh,
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but you don't have to worry
about where we're going.
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I just want... Can you look at the shot
and see if it's okay?
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- I trust you guys completely.
- [indistinct chatter]
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[interviewer] I know it's a trust fall.
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It's an honor
to get to hang with you, man.
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Oh, you're more than welcome.
Man, I'm easy-breezy.
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Can somebody throw me
a room temp water,
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just to have on the side
with paper torn off?
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[Lauren Daigle]
Hunter, did you get my memo?
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- No, I didn't...
- Dang it!
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[Daigle] I think we're good now.
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[interviewer] We good?
We rollin'? You good, Chris...
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Can I ask y'all a question?
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[man] Oh-ho. Okay. Okay. Okay.
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[interviewer] That'll look cool.
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- [crewman] Oh, this is Silas.
- Silas.
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[interviewer] How's your fam?
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[Joel Smallbone]
Quite a chair you have here.
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[interviewer] What were your early
influences, musically?
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[Tobymac] I mean, I love music.
I don't think...
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People ask me all the time,
"How long you gonna do this?"
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I'm like, "Till the day I die." I mean...
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You know, I don't think music is something
that can be put in a box.
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You know, I think
it's something you just do.
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[pensive music continues]
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[inaudible]
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[Michael W. Smith] I think
music is the most powerful,
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universal language in the world.
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And somehow it comes out of the radio,
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or the satellite radio,
or on a CD, or on your computer
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and you go,
"Oh, my gosh, that's amazing.
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Great song. That song changed my life."
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And you can do all of that
in three and a half minutes.
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It was a vehicle, for me,
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to see the richness of hope
land upon someone's spirit,
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and embrace the embrace of God.
The truth is that God
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has some wild way of allowing
His presence to be known
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via rhythm, rhyme and melody. Sound.
I don't understand it.
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[newscaster] The Jesus Movement
is no longer a California fad.
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[newscaster 2]
Contemporary Christian music
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has become a billion-dollar-a-year
business.
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Small Christian record companies...
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[Michael Sweet] I don't wanna make
this thing negative at all,
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but, at the same time,
I wanna be honest.
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It was so much drama
in the church, man.
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I drove myself into a clinical depression
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thinking about how I'm not enough.
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You're never gonna please everybody.
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I wish I could learn that more.
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I have been delivered the message.
Thank you, world.
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Some of relentlessness
is bound up in insecurity.
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You work harder because you think
you're less gifted.
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You know, I've thought that my whole life.
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[Grant] I wrote, "I think I have forfeited
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every right that I ever had
to be on a stage."
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[interviewer] Would you change
anything about your journey,
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and was it ultimately worth it in the end?
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I can't believe I'm getting emotional.
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[woman] I don't know how to say this,
so I'm just gonna go for it.
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How do I wanna say this?
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[pensive music continues]
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[shop door bell tinkles]
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- Hey, Doyle. How are you?
- Good.
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[Smith] I'll never forget getting
my first 45 at Davidson's Record Shop
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in Huntington, West Virginia.
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And it was "I Saw Her Standing There."
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And then it was, uh,
"Let It Be" and "Hey Jude,"
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Beatles, Elton John, Billy Joel.
The list goes on.
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I probably wouldn't be here doing
this interview
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if it hadn't been for this girl.
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[Grant] Really, my introduction
to Christian music
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was this bookstore and coffee shop.
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And every Saturday night,
there was live music.
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And really, it was just the most beautiful
kind of community.
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And I was 14.
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And I just heard this very acoustic music
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and they had Jesus lyrics.
And I loved it.
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'Cause it was unlike anything
this southern religious town had seen.
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I don't remember the coffee ever being
that great, by the way. [laughs]
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It was people that followed Jesus
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and they were processing
their faith through songs.
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But a lot of hymns
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are close-your-eyes singing to God.
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I wanted to sing songs with my eyes
wide open, singing to each other.
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I love this record.
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Been a long time
since I've listened to it.
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[Smith] When I first heard
that Maranatha record,
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I just couldn't get enough of it.
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This thing called Jesus Music,
which exploded in Southern California,
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somehow found its way
in my hometown.
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And it changed my life.
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["Righteous Rocker"
by Larry Norman begins]
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I don't know what will happen now.
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We've got some difficult days ahead.
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[Kaiser] My generation had seen
all of the civil unrest and the craziness.
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Most of us were a bunch of hippies
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trying to escape the pain
and the misery...
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Anything other than the status quo
American dream
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that was not an American dream,
it was an American nightmare.
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["Righteous Rocker" continues]
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[John Styll] You had the war in Vietnam...
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Systematic racism.
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Segregation now, segregation tomorrow,
and segregation forever.
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[Styll] Assassinations...
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[reporter] President Kennedy
died some 38 minutes ago.
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[reporter 2] Martin Luther King was shot
and was killed tonight...
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[Styll] Massive student protests...
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[crowd chanting] Power to the people!
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[student] Let's go!
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This was partly why
a lot of us ended up saying,
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"Eat, drink and be merry.
Tomorrow we die."
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♪♪
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What's happening is, uh, a basic change
in the evolutionary process of mankind.
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[man] The people don't realize that before
you can spread love around
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to anybody else, you've first
gotta find it in yourself.
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♪ Without love ♪
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♪ You ain't nothing without love ♪
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[Tommy Coomes]
The experiment of drugs, sex,
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rock 'n' roll and the hippie lifestyle
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pretty much started about '66, '67
up in Haight-Ashbury
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and made its way down
to Southern California pretty quickly,
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and really all around the world.
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[Chuck Girard] My philosophy was
that God had given us LSD,
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and that if you weren't brave enough
to experiment with drugs,
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you'd miss God.
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'Cause I thought
that was the secret key.
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They're soaked in LSD.
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You roll 'em up and smoke 'em
and they'll get you high.
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I literally took a spice rack
off a wall one night,
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and rolled a joint
out of everything on the rack.
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I can guarantee you,
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you can't even begin to get a buzz
off of any of that stuff. I tried.
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We took drugs to discover.
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We were trying to find answers.
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And our heroes,
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like The Beatles, Jim Morrison,
Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin,
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they were kind of leading us.
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[Coomes] We had two great loves
that kind of bound us together.
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It was the love of making music
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and this really driving urge
to find out who God was,
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and to find something better
than what we'd seen.
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[Styll] The peace and love thing
had probably its greatest expression
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at the Woodstock Festival.
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[Walter Cronkite] A rock music festival
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that drew hundreds of thousands
of young people
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to a dairy farm in White Lake, New York,
over the weekend
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came to an end today.
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And that was kinda the end of that,
because the next big thing was Altamont,
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and that was death and horrible stuff
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that happened at that festival
in California.
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[Laurie] The Rolling Stones
are performing,
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and they have the Hells Angels
doing security
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and a couple of people are killed.
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[reporter] The Rolling Stones
concert at Altamont in California.
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Four deaths,
including a stabbing.
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The flower children had lost
some of their bloom.
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[Laurie] And then when we saw
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our rock stars die before our eyes...
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Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin
and Jim Morrison,
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all dead of incidents related to drugs...
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[Dick Cavett] And everybody knows
that the Beatles
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went through a drug phase.
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Did you ever stop
and think of it this way?
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That the fact that this was known,
and the fact that you were The Beatles
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might've caused thousands of kids
to go into drug problems
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that might not have otherwise.
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[Coomes] The drugs didn't work.
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All the free thinking
and LSD and all that stuff
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just left people rather hopeless.
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We began to hit the bottom.
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The war inside didn't go away,
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even though we "exercised" our freedom
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to be, do, and experience whatever
we wanted to experience.
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[Girard] I'm still empty,
I'm still clueless.
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We're sitting there kind of bewildered,
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thinking,
like, "Where do we go from here?"
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And that's when we started
to hear about Calvary.
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In Southern California, there was a church
called Calvary Chapel
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that let disillusioned
young people come in.
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And it seems silly now, but back then,
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to go to church in jeans or barefoot
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was kind of revolutionary
that they would not only let you in,
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but encourage you
and not look funny at you.
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Hippies started accepting Jesus.
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In the beginning, we didn't know
there was a movement of any kind.
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We just heard,
"There's this place in Costa Mesa
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with a bunch of people like us there.
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They love God,
and there's this 'hippie preacher' there."
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[Duane Pederson]
One of the young men, Kathryn,
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who has been so used of God,
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is Lonnie Frisbee.
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I wonder if Lonnie could just share
with us some, now.
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Well, the people tell me
that I'm trying to look like Jesus.
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I can't think of anybody else
I'd rather look like.
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[laughter]
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[Coomes] So that was one
of the attractions of all these kids,
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it's like, "Well, here's somebody like us,
who looks like us,
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who's lived through this lifestyle,
who loves Christ."
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Jesus Christ willingly went to the cross.
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And he died. He gave his life.
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I came to see Lonnie Frisbee,
the hippie preacher,
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and I got Chuck instead, Chuck Smith,
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you know, the 42-year-old balding guy.
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He did exude love,
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and it was so different
from what I thought it would be.
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And it was so powerful,
the atmosphere in there.
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There was a great power of God
in that building
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and I was overwhelmed by it.
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It was so pure.
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[Coomes] Within a couple weeks
we had all went to Calvary Chapel.
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We all got radically saved.
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And that spun the whole thing around.
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So for me after that, man,
there was no turning back.
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This wasn't just a good idea.
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This was darkness to light,
and loneliness to joy.
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[spiritual music playing]
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And the church, for so long,
has been expecting
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a certain mold of what
a Christian should look like
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or what a Christian should be,
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or what a Christian should say.
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And God is blowing everybody's mind,
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because he's saving the hippies,
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and nobody thought
a hippie could be saved.
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[spiritual music continues]
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[Styll] As the movement began,
a lot of these folks were musicians,
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they didn't wanna stop doing music,
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but they started trying to express
their faith through music,
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an expression of faith
that they could relate to.
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[upbeat rock music playing]
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[reporter] More and more these days,
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young people are turning away
from dangerous drugs
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and turning onto Christ instead.
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[Thompson] So as millions of these kids
are becoming Christians,
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this soundtrack emerges.
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And Calvary Chapel was the place
on the West Coast
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where that really took root.
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But the group that really stood out to me
was Love Song.
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[Coomes] For us, we just kinda continued
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the same kind of music that we loved
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with a whole different heart,
a whole different attitude.
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So we went in to see Chuck
and see if he'd let us play.
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They say, "The Lord gave us a song."
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Now, usually when a musician says
the Lord gave them a song,
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and you listen to it, you wonder,
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was that because He didn't want it?
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He said, "Nah, you guys are hippies,
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rock 'n' roll, drums, not in my church."
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Because you gotta remember,
up till that point, what was church music?
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The hymn book, choir, organ.
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But at the end of the little "interview,"
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he said, "Well, let me at least
hear a song."
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So we played a song called "Welcome Back."
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- [vocalizing]
- ? Welcome?
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♪ Back ♪
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When they began to play
for Chuck, it was like, "Wow!"
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[vocalizing]
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[Girard] Chuck Smith
hardly ever shed a tear.
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But he was moved.
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So the next thing we hear is,
"Can you guys play tonight?
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It's youth night, and Lonnie's preaching."
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And I can't think of many pastors
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that would've allowed something like that
to happen on their stage.
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[song ends]
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[Laurie] Every night
it was something new,
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a new band would form with new songs.
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Within six months, there was 12 bands.
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I saw contemporary Christian music born
right before my very eyes.
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[rock music playing]
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[Smith] I remember when
I walked into a thrift store
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and there was a record bin there.
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There was this one record in that bin,
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and there was this big red
"Maranatha" sign on a white cover,
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and it was called The Everlastin' Living
Jesus Music Concert.
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I picked it up and I turned it around,
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it was all these people with long hair.
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And I could tell all these songs
were about Jesus.
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And I'm thinking,
"That's what I wanna do."
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[Girard] We made the album for about
$4,00 0 with mastering and everything.
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And it went on to sell 200,000 units,
you know, which is unbelievable.
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There was no contemporary
Christian music industry at all.
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That was just Chuck Smith saying,
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"These kids need a record
so that when they go somewhere
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and nobody gives 'em money,
they can at least sell the record
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and can have enough gas money
to get home."
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That's how Maranatha started in 1971.
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[upbeat music playing]
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[reporter] The Jesus Movement
is no longer a California fad.
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It's a song-singing, hand-clapping,
full-fledged, old-fashioned revival
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that's sweeping the country.
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[Styll] It was quite a thing.
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I mean, the Jesus Movement made
the cover of Time magazine.
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[Coomes] That just started happening
in other places, too, like Seattle,
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El Paso, Kansas City.
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[Girard] Northern California,
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back east there were little pockets
of people that were discovering Jesus.
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[Styll] Another great artist got his start
in Ohio. It was Phil Keaggy.
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[playing blues guitar lick]
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[laughs]
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There were different expressions
of contemporary Christian music
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from other parts of the country,
and even abroad,
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like the Resurrection Band...
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[upbeat rock music playing]
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[Thompson] They come out playing
Zeppelin-y, hardcore, Chicago rock blues.
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[Kaiser] When you play
at about 14 0 dB,
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they either listen or they leave.
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[Thompson] But then you find out that
all of the profits go into this ministry.
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That's the most punk rock
thing I ever heard.
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["For Him Who Has Ears to Hear"
by Keith Green playing]
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Keith was a musical whiz.
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A Keith Green album is an essential album.
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Keith Green was an extraordinarily
talented rebel.
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He was not a very popular person
in the industry.
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He recorded a record where he could've
made a lot of money off of it,
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and he was giving it away for free.
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♪ You put this love in my heart ♪
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[Laurie] And then bands like
The 2nd Chapter of Acts from Los Angeles.
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[Smith] Just the harmonies.
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I'd never heard anything like it.
It was set apart.
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[Matthew Ward] People would say,
"You guys were pioneers."
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Oh, you don't know you're a pioneer
of something when you're doing it.
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[Styll] Andrae Crouch is another one.
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Can't even begin
to estimate his importance.
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Andrae was probably
one of the very best bridges.
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[Kirk Franklin] We do not acknowledge
the type of architect,
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and type of pioneer
of bringing worlds together
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that Andrae Crouch was.
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[Gaither] Many of his concerts
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was what Heaven should be
like, you know. [laughs]
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[Andrae and backup singers]
? Hallelujah?
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[vocalizing]
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[audience cheering]
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[Laurie] It was so many musical styles
happening at the same time.
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There was such diversity of music.
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[Grant] I mean,
it was just all word of mouth.
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"Have you heard this?
Have you heard this?"
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It just felt like it was all so...
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underground.
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- [instrumental music playing]
- [applause]
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[announcer] From California, ladies
and gentlemen, Larry Norman.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Girard] Well, Larry is the single
most important figure
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in contemporary Christian music.
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[Thompson] Larry Norman, who most people
call the Father of Christian Rock,
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was definitely not
the first person to ever play
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rock 'n' roll with a Christian message.
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But, certainly, was the first rock star
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in Christian rock, undeniably.
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My dad has always believed
that "the secular world"
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stole church music,
turned it into rock 'n' roll.
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And my dad actually felt
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part of his mission was to bring it back
into the church.
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[Larry Norman]? Why don't you
look into Jesus??
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♪ He got the answer ♪
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[Styll] The early stuff he put out,
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Christian radio today,
no way would they play it.
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Go back and read some of the lyrics.
I mean, it's crazy stuff.
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"Sippin' whisky from a paper cup."
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"You drown your sorrows
till you can't stand up."
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"Shootin' junk till you're half insane,
broken needle in your purple vein."
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"Gonorrhea on Valentine's Day."
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"You're still lookin'
for the perfect lay."
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That may not even make it
into this documentary.
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♪ Why don't you look into Jesus? ♪
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♪ He got the answer ♪
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He was sort of rebellious,
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rebellious to the culture
that wanted everyone
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to go down the road of drugs, sex,
and rock 'n' roll.
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And he's a guy saying "It's Jesus."
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But he was also rebellious
in church culture,
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'cause he was criticized
for this devil music.
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He wrote a song about it called...
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♪ Why should the devil
have all the good music? ♪
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- [laughter]
- [Larry] Whoo!
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[Laurie] And that appealed to us,
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because my generation was sort
of a revolutionary generation.
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♪ Jesus is the rock
and He rolled my blues away ♪
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But that was just Larry.
He was rough around the edges.
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Is he a complicated character?
That's putting it mildly.
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Some people felt he wasn't truthful.
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Some people felt like all the liner notes,
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even the ones that sort of praised him,
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were written by him.
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One time we were putting him
on the cover of the magazine.
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Larry was a photographer
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and very particular about the photographs
that were used.
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And I don't think he was happy
about the selection.
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He drove down to my house,
which was in Orange County,
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from L.A. where he lived,
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showed up at my door
at, like, 1:30 in the morning,
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with strips of two-by-two pictures
in a loop
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so we could pick out a different cover.
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1:30 in the morning, at my house.
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He didn't like CCM Magazine.
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Sure wanted to be on the cover, though.
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But that's just kinda how he rolled.
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He was a bit of a difficult person.
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I knew Larry better than Larry probably
wished I'd known Larry.
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I almost never confronted him
because I knew other people that had.
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He made some pretty lousy choices.
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So have I. So have you.
So has everybody.
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[Styll] He always said he was too secular
for the Christian crowd,
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and too Christian for the secular crowd.
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And he made great music.
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I mean, Only Visiting This Planet
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has to be one of the greatest albums
to come out of Christian music, ever.
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He was, undeniably, hugely influential
on a whole generation of artists.
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♪ He's got the answer ♪
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- [holds note]
- [song ends]
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Well, here comes the Jesus Movement,
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and a whole lot of us had encounters
with the living, risen Jesus Christ.
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And then, we showed up
in traditional churches.
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I would have to say the majority
of whom were going,
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"Whoa, persona non grata," you know.
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"You look weird. Your music is weird."
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Three songs in,
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gray-haired deacons in suits and ties
with their necks red and veins popping,
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were coming down the aisle
to shut us down, man.
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They wouldn't let us
in church doors, man.
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We were like, "Play that electronic music
of the devil.
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It had a beat."
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00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,238
Their pastors would tell their flock,
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"This group's gonna be in town tonight.
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00:22:45,282 --> 00:22:47,242
By God," you know, "mm-mm."
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And that was a lot of people's attitude.
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You know, like, If these guys
are really Christians,
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why don't they shave their beards,
why don't they cut their hair?
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[Coomes] We didn't get
invited in the church, we just went.
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And a lot of times people would go, like,
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"Who let these people in here?"
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Time after time,
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00:23:00,881 --> 00:23:02,758
we'd be shakin' our boots, goin', like,
448
00:23:02,841 --> 00:23:04,777
"Lord, we have nothin' in
common with these people.
449
00:23:04,801 --> 00:23:06,511
And they're obviously judging us."
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00:23:06,595 --> 00:23:10,265
[Laurie] But not every church was open
to what God was doing.
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So what was needed was someone
that we trusted, who would speak up
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and give a stamp of endorsement
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for what was happening
in the Jesus Movement.
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And it turned out to be Billy Graham.
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[upbeat rock music playing]
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[reporter] Nearly 100,000 youths
have descended on Dallas for Explo '72,
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ranging from the very clean-cut
to the Jesus freaks.
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More than 25,0 0 0 had to find
their own housing when they arrived.
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A large group wound up
in what is being called Tent City.
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The honorary chairman of Explo '72
is the Reverend Billy Graham.
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00:23:46,218 --> 00:23:47,594
After arriving in Dallas,
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he immediately went into the streets
to carry the message of Jesus.
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00:23:51,056 --> 00:23:54,518
He said he wanted to become part
of the new worldwide youth movement.
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I wanted to come and identify with 'em.
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Because I believe that this is a great
and historic gathering.
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And this is going to be a moment
in the history of Dallas,
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and a moment in the history of the world.
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[reporter] Final construction is still
underway for the grand finale...
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A seven-hour Jesus Music festival.
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More than a quarter of a million people
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are expected
near the downtown area of Dallas.
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The music will be mod.
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The Reverend Billy Graham calls it
"A Christian Woodstock."
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[reporter 2]
This week you made a reference
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that this would be a religious Woodstock,
and the city officials in Dallas
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were hoping to stay away from that kind
of reference to Woodstock,
477
00:24:32,931 --> 00:24:35,576
and that has worried them just a bit.
Could you comment on that, please?
478
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,520
Uh, I didn't mean to worry
the city officials of Dallas.
479
00:24:38,603 --> 00:24:39,980
What I meant was
480
00:24:40,063 --> 00:24:45,360
that the crowd is going to be
a huge crowd of young people,
481
00:24:45,443 --> 00:24:47,863
but gathered
for a totally different purpose.
482
00:24:47,946 --> 00:24:50,949
[funk rock music playing]
483
00:24:52,576 --> 00:24:55,704
Campus Crusade had been
doing this for a while,
484
00:24:55,787 --> 00:24:57,664
but when they had their event in 1972,
485
00:24:57,747 --> 00:25:01,960
they invited not only
known Christian artists like Larry Norman,
486
00:25:02,043 --> 00:25:03,479
but they also invited Andrae Crouch,
487
00:25:03,503 --> 00:25:06,089
and they invited Johnny Cash
and Kris Kristofferson.
488
00:25:06,173 --> 00:25:09,467
[Laurie] You had Love Song,
and Rita Coolidge, and others.
489
00:25:09,551 --> 00:25:13,013
So it's like, "Wow.
What an eclectic lineup of people."
490
00:25:13,096 --> 00:25:14,681
That thing blew up.
491
00:25:15,682 --> 00:25:16,933
I've heard different numbers,
492
00:25:17,017 --> 00:25:21,104
but maybe 200,0 0 0 people end up
converging on Dallas.
493
00:25:21,188 --> 00:25:22,415
[Larry]? I'm not talking religion?
494
00:25:22,439 --> 00:25:24,107
♪ I'm talking 'bout Jesus ♪
495
00:25:24,191 --> 00:25:25,483
[crowd member]? Oh, Lordy?
496
00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:28,361
[Larry]? Let the people know
that Jesus cares?
497
00:25:28,445 --> 00:25:32,908
♪ You let the people know
that Jesus cares ♪
498
00:25:32,991 --> 00:25:38,622
[vocalizing]
499
00:25:38,705 --> 00:25:40,582
Just to let you know it's rock 'n' roll.
500
00:25:40,665 --> 00:25:43,084
[vocalizing electric guitar lick]
501
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,929
[woman] We'll always remember about Explo,
502
00:25:54,012 --> 00:25:57,807
is the wonderful loving kindness that God
has shown through all the people here.
503
00:25:59,935 --> 00:26:03,480
[Johnny Cash] Think of all the places I've
ever had the privilege of performing,
504
00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:06,733
this is probably
the most important to me,
505
00:26:06,816 --> 00:26:08,735
and one of the biggest thrills in my life
506
00:26:08,818 --> 00:26:10,379
- to be able to be here.
- [cheers and applause]
507
00:26:10,403 --> 00:26:12,864
[Graham] Explo '72
508
00:26:12,948 --> 00:26:16,952
has been one of the greatest
experiences of my life.
509
00:26:17,035 --> 00:26:19,621
I've been so excited,
I almost started dancing.
510
00:26:21,248 --> 00:26:25,252
And I saw something here in Dallas
yesterday that I'll never forget.
511
00:26:25,335 --> 00:26:29,464
I saw three energetic
young witnesses downtown
512
00:26:29,547 --> 00:26:32,550
and had a policeman
down on his knees, praying.
513
00:26:32,634 --> 00:26:34,636
[cheering]
514
00:26:39,808 --> 00:26:42,185
True faith must be applied
515
00:26:42,269 --> 00:26:45,188
to the social problems of our world.
516
00:26:45,272 --> 00:26:48,233
Today, Christian young people
ought to be involved
517
00:26:48,316 --> 00:26:52,028
in the problems of poverty, ecology, war,
518
00:26:52,112 --> 00:26:55,573
racial tension, and all
the other problems of our generation.
519
00:26:56,616 --> 00:26:58,827
This is a Christian happening.
520
00:26:58,910 --> 00:27:01,204
It's a demonstration of the love of God
521
00:27:01,288 --> 00:27:04,916
by tens of thousands
of young people to the world,
522
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,086
that are saying to the world,
"God loves you."
523
00:27:08,169 --> 00:27:12,090
It's the Jesus Revolution
that is going on in this country.
524
00:27:12,173 --> 00:27:14,175
[cheers and applause]
525
00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:20,557
Rock 'n' roll is the music of rebellion.
526
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,268
So parents were like, "Oh, this is bad."
527
00:27:25,562 --> 00:27:27,272
Billy Graham gets up and speaks,
528
00:27:27,355 --> 00:27:30,108
and all of a sudden they open
their minds to this idea that,
529
00:27:30,191 --> 00:27:32,736
this music that was born out of rebellion,
530
00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:37,324
maybe this could be incorporated
into something the Holy Spirit could use.
531
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:42,037
And it was sort of an affirmation.
It was a seal of approval.
532
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:45,623
If Billy will get up and speak
after hippies sing,
533
00:27:45,707 --> 00:27:49,085
maybe it's okay to have drums.
Maybe it's okay to have guitars.
534
00:27:51,129 --> 00:27:54,549
[Thompson] Movements need
catalyst moments like that.
535
00:27:54,632 --> 00:27:59,596
Explo '72 definitely seems to have been
one of those catalyst moments.
536
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:04,684
[Laurie] It probably was the culmination
of phase one of Jesus Music
537
00:28:04,768 --> 00:28:06,770
and the Jesus Movement.
538
00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:09,647
Maybe it was the end of a phase,
539
00:28:09,731 --> 00:28:13,026
the end of a certain explosion of music
540
00:28:13,109 --> 00:28:15,403
and change in art and culture,
541
00:28:15,487 --> 00:28:19,366
and the introduction to a new phase
of what it would become later,
542
00:28:19,449 --> 00:28:21,534
for better and for worse.
543
00:28:21,618 --> 00:28:25,830
[all]? And they'll know
we are Christians by our love?
544
00:28:25,914 --> 00:28:27,207
♪ By our love ♪
545
00:28:27,290 --> 00:28:33,046
♪ Yes, they'll know we are
Christians by our love. ♪
546
00:28:34,714 --> 00:28:36,883
[tape fast-forwarding]
547
00:28:38,927 --> 00:28:41,930
[upbeat synth-pop music playing]
548
00:28:47,435 --> 00:28:48,954
[reporter] Thanks in part
to the young people
549
00:28:48,978 --> 00:28:51,898
who've made contemporary Christian music
a force to be reckoned with,
550
00:28:51,981 --> 00:28:53,942
gospel music is finally coming of age
551
00:28:54,025 --> 00:28:57,195
as the fastest growing segment
of the music industry in the nation.
552
00:28:57,278 --> 00:29:00,198
Last vestiges of what we think of
as Jesus Music
553
00:29:00,281 --> 00:29:02,700
are kind of fading into the ether,
554
00:29:02,784 --> 00:29:06,162
and CCM as a brand is coming into its own.
555
00:29:12,001 --> 00:29:14,063
[reporter] Who'd ever thought
that in a day when Americans
556
00:29:14,087 --> 00:29:18,425
seemed to worship the materialism
of Madonna or the sexuality of Prince,
557
00:29:18,508 --> 00:29:21,678
so many of them would be buying records
about how to get to Heaven?
558
00:29:21,761 --> 00:29:22,637
But they are.
559
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,599
Last year Americans spent
$75 million buying Christian music.
560
00:29:26,683 --> 00:29:28,810
This year, they'll spend even more.
561
00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:32,355
[Styll] The '80s was go-go time
for Christian music.
562
00:29:32,439 --> 00:29:35,984
It had gotten over the growing pains
of its birth.
563
00:29:36,067 --> 00:29:38,069
[Roger Mudd] On stages across the country,
564
00:29:38,153 --> 00:29:40,780
out of radios and tape recorders
and record players,
565
00:29:40,864 --> 00:29:43,366
missionaries in tights
are banging the drums
566
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:45,326
and slashing at their guitars for God.
567
00:29:45,410 --> 00:29:48,580
[Bill Reeves] The industry was lovin' it,
'cause the industry was growing.
568
00:29:48,663 --> 00:29:51,332
Where I was feeling the pushback
in the old guard
569
00:29:51,416 --> 00:29:53,585
were the pastors who didn't get it.
570
00:29:53,668 --> 00:29:55,837
The deacon body would say,
"That's devil music."
571
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,881
That's where I felt the pushback.
572
00:29:59,632 --> 00:30:01,759
[applause]
573
00:30:01,843 --> 00:30:04,762
Satan always goes too far in his...
574
00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:08,266
in his greed to steal
and to kill and to destroy.
575
00:30:08,349 --> 00:30:12,770
He gets too perverted,
too damnable, too dastardly.
576
00:30:12,854 --> 00:30:14,522
So he changes course
577
00:30:14,606 --> 00:30:17,609
and then millions fall for it
all over again.
578
00:30:17,692 --> 00:30:20,403
And today it's called...
listen carefully...
579
00:30:20,487 --> 00:30:22,989
Christian rock music.
580
00:30:23,072 --> 00:30:26,075
[glam metal music playing]
581
00:30:31,706 --> 00:30:35,126
The metal scene
in the '80s, man, was decadent.
582
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:37,587
It was brand-new,
I think would be fair to say.
583
00:30:37,670 --> 00:30:40,340
The discussion wasn't,
"Was this music good or not?"
584
00:30:40,423 --> 00:30:42,967
The discussion was, "How can
this be Christian music?"
585
00:30:45,136 --> 00:30:48,723
Christian metal wasn't just,
like, part of the pie.
586
00:30:48,806 --> 00:30:50,433
There was a pie of CCM music,
587
00:30:50,517 --> 00:30:52,185
and then under that pie
was a plate.
588
00:30:52,268 --> 00:30:54,479
And under that plate,
there was a floor.
589
00:30:54,562 --> 00:30:56,356
Under the floor,
there was a basement.
590
00:30:56,439 --> 00:30:58,525
And then under the basement,
there was a crypt.
591
00:30:58,608 --> 00:31:02,487
And in that crypt, there were
Christian metal bands.
592
00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:04,572
["S.O.S" by Bloodgood playing]
593
00:31:06,032 --> 00:31:10,411
[Thompson] Christian metal was still so
offensive to most church people.
594
00:31:10,495 --> 00:31:12,014
[John Cooper] If you've ever heard
of the people
595
00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:15,542
who say that Christian rock music
was straight from the pit of Hell,
596
00:31:15,625 --> 00:31:17,126
that's the family I grew up in.
597
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:20,171
My parents would rather me
have gone to jail for murder
598
00:31:20,255 --> 00:31:22,006
than be a Christian rock singer.
599
00:31:22,090 --> 00:31:26,219
♪ S.O.S. ♪
600
00:31:26,302 --> 00:31:28,429
[holding note]
601
00:31:28,513 --> 00:31:29,514
[song ends]
602
00:31:30,974 --> 00:31:34,310
I grew up around church music,
classical music.
603
00:31:34,394 --> 00:31:37,814
And when I first heard rock music,
it changed everything.
604
00:31:37,897 --> 00:31:39,148
[playing upbeat rock music]
605
00:31:39,232 --> 00:31:41,001
[reporter] DeGarmo and Key,
as you might know them,
606
00:31:41,025 --> 00:31:42,944
or as I sometimes often call them,
607
00:31:43,027 --> 00:31:44,862
"The Boys." [laughs]
608
00:31:44,946 --> 00:31:47,490
[Cooper] Eddie's one
of the coolest people in the world.
609
00:31:47,574 --> 00:31:49,951
He had the hair. Sideburns were
as long as my beard.
610
00:31:50,034 --> 00:31:52,328
[in raspy voice] You know,
and he talks like this, right?
611
00:31:52,412 --> 00:31:54,640
[laughs, in normal voice] Everything
sounds cooler when you talk like that.
612
00:31:54,664 --> 00:31:57,226
- All right to hold the coffee cup, right?
- [interviewer] Absolutely.
613
00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:58,251
Whatever you want.
614
00:31:58,334 --> 00:31:59,853
My parents were like, "This guy is evil.
615
00:31:59,877 --> 00:32:02,088
You cannot speak with him."
So I liked his music.
616
00:32:03,172 --> 00:32:05,300
[Degarmo] The church
didn't really accept us.
617
00:32:05,383 --> 00:32:07,802
It took us, in the early days
of Christian music,
618
00:32:07,885 --> 00:32:09,804
a lot of thick skin
to make it through that.
619
00:32:09,887 --> 00:32:12,640
I mean, I had tomatoes
thrown at me, man.
620
00:32:12,724 --> 00:32:14,517
Thankful it wasn't rocks. [laughs]
621
00:32:14,601 --> 00:32:18,146
Rock 'n' roll, believe it or not,
started in the church.
622
00:32:18,229 --> 00:32:19,480
[audience cheers]
623
00:32:22,483 --> 00:32:24,819
And the problem was,
is that the church didn't want it.
624
00:32:24,902 --> 00:32:26,542
[techno voice]
? Je... Je... Je... Je...?
625
00:32:26,571 --> 00:32:28,740
♪ Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus ♪
626
00:32:28,823 --> 00:32:31,618
♪ Jesus, Jesus loves you ♪
627
00:32:32,619 --> 00:32:35,955
♪ God gave rock 'n' roll to you ♪
628
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,499
♪ Gave rock 'n' roll to you ♪
629
00:32:38,583 --> 00:32:40,084
♪ Put it in the soul of everyone ♪
630
00:32:40,168 --> 00:32:42,646
[Chris Tomlin] Petra. That was
the first band I heard, and I thought,
631
00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:44,631
"Oh, my gosh. What is this?"
632
00:32:44,714 --> 00:32:48,051
♪ God gave rock 'n' roll to you ♪
633
00:32:48,134 --> 00:32:51,888
- [Stryper member] Hello, Tokyo!
- [audience cheering]
634
00:32:51,971 --> 00:32:57,810
Stryper rocks for Jesus Christ.
635
00:32:57,894 --> 00:33:00,897
[metal music playing]
636
00:33:02,857 --> 00:33:04,025
♪ Oh! ♪
637
00:33:04,108 --> 00:33:06,861
Stryper had such a theatrical mindset.
638
00:33:06,944 --> 00:33:08,404
[Thompson] Their skills were great.
639
00:33:08,488 --> 00:33:10,823
Their stage presence,
their swagger...
640
00:33:10,907 --> 00:33:13,368
They figured out this look
with the yellow and black.
641
00:33:14,702 --> 00:33:18,039
[Cooper] Stryper comes on
and honestly, you would've thought
642
00:33:18,122 --> 00:33:21,292
it was a Satanistic
killing ritual or something.
643
00:33:21,376 --> 00:33:24,087
My mom was like,
"Oh, in the name of Jesus!"
644
00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:25,171
Like, "Get to your room!"
645
00:33:25,254 --> 00:33:31,260
♪ Jesus ♪
646
00:33:31,344 --> 00:33:34,097
[Thompson] I see them at a show
and they're chucking Bibles
647
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:35,866
and one of 'em hits me
in the face, and I was like,
648
00:33:35,890 --> 00:33:39,185
"I literally just got chucked
in the face by a Bible."
649
00:33:39,268 --> 00:33:41,938
[metal music continues playing]
650
00:33:42,021 --> 00:33:43,940
[Smallbone] Every second
of that performance
651
00:33:44,023 --> 00:33:46,317
was so thought out,
and so intentional.
652
00:33:46,401 --> 00:33:48,001
And you were always
seeing something new.
653
00:33:48,069 --> 00:33:50,005
They were over here,
and then they were over there.
654
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:51,864
So if you look at
for KING & COUNTRY now,
655
00:33:51,948 --> 00:33:53,282
it's basically Stryper.
656
00:33:53,366 --> 00:33:55,785
[vocalizing in high pitch]
657
00:34:04,752 --> 00:34:06,146
[Sweet] My brother started watching
658
00:34:06,170 --> 00:34:08,965
Jimmy Swaggart on the television.
659
00:34:09,048 --> 00:34:10,328
He was really drawn in to Jimmy.
660
00:34:10,383 --> 00:34:12,069
There was something
about Jimmy he really liked,
661
00:34:12,093 --> 00:34:14,154
and he started asking us,
"Hey, guys, check this out.
662
00:34:14,178 --> 00:34:15,179
Watch this with me."
663
00:34:16,305 --> 00:34:18,641
Jimmy said the Sinner's Prayer,
and literally we all, like,
664
00:34:18,725 --> 00:34:20,160
looked at each other
and said, "Let's bow our heads."
665
00:34:20,184 --> 00:34:21,602
[Swaggart] Now let us pray.
666
00:34:21,686 --> 00:34:24,355
[Sweet] We repeated
these words after Jimmy.
667
00:34:24,439 --> 00:34:26,919
And we said the Sinner's Prayer.
That was it. The whole family.
668
00:34:26,983 --> 00:34:29,360
We accepted Christ.
669
00:34:29,444 --> 00:34:32,196
In front of the television. Literally.
670
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,574
Jimmy pretty much became our pastor.
671
00:34:34,657 --> 00:34:37,785
[Swaggart] Jesus' blood
can make you free...
672
00:34:39,036 --> 00:34:42,790
for He saved the worst among you,
673
00:34:42,874 --> 00:34:45,585
when He saved a wretch like me.
674
00:34:45,668 --> 00:34:47,044
[glam metal music playing]
675
00:34:47,128 --> 00:34:49,797
[Sweet] We were a rock band
who became Christians.
676
00:34:49,881 --> 00:34:52,884
So what we did, instead of change
everything that we were...
677
00:34:52,967 --> 00:34:56,763
the look, the hair,
go burn all our albums in the backyard,
678
00:34:56,846 --> 00:34:58,055
we changed the lyrics.
679
00:35:00,099 --> 00:35:01,934
[reporter] If God rules
over rock concerts,
680
00:35:02,018 --> 00:35:05,313
these must be his missionaries,
dressed up like killer bees.
681
00:35:05,396 --> 00:35:06,731
They call themselves Stryper.
682
00:35:08,107 --> 00:35:11,068
Stryper was like, "No, no, no.
We're talkin' about Jesus."
683
00:35:11,152 --> 00:35:12,392
I don't think there's ever been
684
00:35:12,445 --> 00:35:15,198
a more evangelistic crossover band
685
00:35:15,281 --> 00:35:17,700
in any of Christian music history
than Stryper.
686
00:35:17,784 --> 00:35:21,078
[Laurie] They're like evangelists
with lots of hair.
687
00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:23,414
So some preachers were blasting them,
688
00:35:23,498 --> 00:35:25,792
but other preachers I knew
embraced them
689
00:35:25,875 --> 00:35:27,644
and thought what they
were doing was a great thing.
690
00:35:27,668 --> 00:35:31,506
They had this cover with these flowing
manes of hair,
691
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:33,591
and, like, yellow and black spandex.
692
00:35:33,674 --> 00:35:36,511
It's pretty violent, but they were all
holding weapons.
693
00:35:36,594 --> 00:35:39,597
But the funny thing is, is they're
little pellet guns from Japan.
694
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,224
[laughs]
695
00:35:41,307 --> 00:35:43,309
["Calling On You" by Stryper playing]
696
00:35:43,392 --> 00:35:47,230
Our first video got airplay on MTV in '85.
697
00:35:47,313 --> 00:35:49,774
MTV used to always come back and say,
698
00:35:49,857 --> 00:35:52,568
"We can't play your video
because there's too much Jesus in it,"
699
00:35:52,652 --> 00:35:55,071
or "too patriotic"
or too this or too that.
700
00:35:55,154 --> 00:35:57,448
They started Dial MTV.
701
00:35:57,532 --> 00:36:00,243
Then it wasn't up
to the program directors,
702
00:36:00,326 --> 00:36:02,203
it was up to the people, the fans.
703
00:36:02,286 --> 00:36:03,472
[Adam Curry]
Hi, you're on Dial MTV.
704
00:36:03,496 --> 00:36:06,374
Have you ever heard
of this band called Stryper
705
00:36:06,457 --> 00:36:08,709
who have sold over a million albums
of their new one?
706
00:36:08,793 --> 00:36:11,462
[caller] Oh, yeah, man.
Man, it's just the best.
707
00:36:11,546 --> 00:36:13,386
We killed all the other bands
on the countdown.
708
00:36:13,464 --> 00:36:17,176
Motley Crue, Poison, Bon Jovi,
killed 'em all.
709
00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:20,721
Went to number one like that
and stayed at number one.
710
00:36:20,805 --> 00:36:23,200
Things were happening that was
really humbling and miraculous
711
00:36:23,224 --> 00:36:26,185
that didn't happen to other bands.
712
00:36:26,269 --> 00:36:29,105
There was something going on with Stryper
that I can't explain,
713
00:36:29,188 --> 00:36:33,192
other than God
was just really blessing the band.
714
00:36:34,819 --> 00:36:36,404
[applause]
715
00:36:36,487 --> 00:36:39,490
God said, "I want you
to cry out and cry out loud,"
716
00:36:39,574 --> 00:36:41,009
and this is just a little tiny part,
717
00:36:41,033 --> 00:36:44,620
against this so-called
contemporary rock 'n' roll,
718
00:36:44,704 --> 00:36:46,998
so-called Christian music
in our churches.
719
00:36:47,081 --> 00:36:49,292
[TV audience cheering]
720
00:36:49,375 --> 00:36:51,043
[Sweet] Once the band made it,
721
00:36:51,127 --> 00:36:55,339
that's when we started watching Jimmy
hold up our album saying,
722
00:36:55,423 --> 00:36:57,967
"This band right here, Stryper,
they are of the devil.
723
00:36:58,050 --> 00:36:59,969
They're wolves in sheep's clothing."
724
00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:02,597
And we would watch that
and think, "Oh, my God."
725
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,973
It hurt.
726
00:37:04,056 --> 00:37:06,767
Because to me he was like family.
727
00:37:06,851 --> 00:37:10,605
He was instrumental in saving me,
saving my family.
728
00:37:10,688 --> 00:37:11,939
I was in tears, man.
729
00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:14,780
[Mylon Lefevre] I'm watching TV
and Jimmy's on.
730
00:37:14,859 --> 00:37:15,902
He holds up this magazine.
731
00:37:15,985 --> 00:37:18,029
It was Contemporary
Christian Magazine. CCM.
732
00:37:18,112 --> 00:37:21,657
And he basically said,
"There's no anointing in that music."
733
00:37:21,741 --> 00:37:23,743
I got my glasses,
was sitting on the table,
734
00:37:23,826 --> 00:37:25,578
to see who it was, and it was me.
735
00:37:25,661 --> 00:37:28,789
Rejections from the world
is no big deal.
736
00:37:28,873 --> 00:37:32,251
Rejection from the church?
This is your family.
737
00:37:32,335 --> 00:37:37,506
The rock music scene in America today
is not just a fad.
738
00:37:39,175 --> 00:37:42,053
It is a diabolical scheme of Satan
739
00:37:42,136 --> 00:37:44,388
that has mutilated, decimated,
740
00:37:44,472 --> 00:37:48,684
damned, denigrated,
degraded, and destroyed.
741
00:37:52,897 --> 00:37:56,943
[Sweet] We started all rebelling
a little bit more towards the church,
742
00:37:57,026 --> 00:37:58,277
and even towards God.
743
00:37:58,361 --> 00:38:00,529
Instead of having an open heart,
it was more like,
744
00:38:00,613 --> 00:38:03,175
"Okay, we're just kinda done with hearing
this stuff. We don't wanna hear it."
745
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,409
We started drinking more heavily.
746
00:38:05,493 --> 00:38:09,330
I saw it start to affect
negatively my family.
747
00:38:09,413 --> 00:38:11,999
That's when I started wanting
to do something about it.
748
00:38:12,083 --> 00:38:14,085
And I felt like, "Okay. You know what?
749
00:38:14,168 --> 00:38:18,130
If my family's gonna suffer from this
and it's gonna separate me from my family,
750
00:38:18,214 --> 00:38:20,174
then it's time for me to leave."
751
00:38:20,257 --> 00:38:21,175
And I did.
752
00:38:21,258 --> 00:38:23,344
[somber music playing]
753
00:38:23,427 --> 00:38:25,554
I remember it was
a really difficult time.
754
00:38:25,638 --> 00:38:27,473
It affected my brother the most,
755
00:38:27,556 --> 00:38:30,351
'cause I think Robert
always thought, and as did I,
756
00:38:30,434 --> 00:38:32,019
that we would be together forever.
757
00:38:32,103 --> 00:38:34,146
And that day came when we weren't.
758
00:38:37,024 --> 00:38:39,819
[Styll] So these two factions
were kind of at war with each other,
759
00:38:39,902 --> 00:38:42,947
part of the church
and the Christian rock groups.
760
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:46,993
There needed to be something that could
bring people together.
761
00:38:47,076 --> 00:38:50,121
In Nashville, a new artist was emerging.
762
00:38:50,204 --> 00:38:53,374
And really, an unlikely star
was being born.
763
00:38:55,918 --> 00:38:57,336
[Jim Bakker] How're you doing?
764
00:38:57,420 --> 00:38:58,460
[Grant] I'm kinda nervous,
765
00:38:58,504 --> 00:39:00,006
to be really honest about this.
766
00:39:00,089 --> 00:39:01,507
[Bakker] Oh, don't be nervous.
767
00:39:01,590 --> 00:39:05,594
[Styll] Amy Grant put out her first album,
and it took off huge.
768
00:39:05,678 --> 00:39:07,430
Unexpectedly huge.
769
00:39:07,513 --> 00:39:09,348
It had kind of a bad cover.
770
00:39:09,432 --> 00:39:11,559
She didn't sing great.
771
00:39:11,642 --> 00:39:15,688
But people loved her
and they loved those songs.
772
00:39:15,771 --> 00:39:18,524
[Grant] I started writing songs
when I was about 15.
773
00:39:18,607 --> 00:39:22,403
Unbeknownst to me,
someone took a tape of my little songs
774
00:39:22,486 --> 00:39:24,196
and showed 'em to a record producer.
775
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,450
And they came to me with a contract
and said, "Please sing for us."
776
00:39:27,533 --> 00:39:29,326
And I thought they were making a joke.
777
00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:32,413
Me? And, it just started from there.
778
00:39:32,496 --> 00:39:34,665
["I Have Decided" by Amy Grant playing]
779
00:39:34,749 --> 00:39:37,251
"Hey, somebody called
from Denver, Colorado,
780
00:39:37,334 --> 00:39:40,546
and they want you to come
and do a show, and it's $300."
781
00:39:40,629 --> 00:39:43,174
And I went, "God, $30 0?
782
00:39:43,257 --> 00:39:45,885
It sounds great,
but if I blow $300 on one gig,
783
00:39:45,968 --> 00:39:47,803
I've got nothing for college."
784
00:39:47,887 --> 00:39:50,014
[laughs] And he went, "No..."
785
00:39:50,097 --> 00:39:52,933
That tells you what I felt about my skill.
786
00:39:53,017 --> 00:39:55,811
I thought I had to pay them
$300 to come sing.
787
00:39:55,895 --> 00:39:58,439
And he said, "No,
I think they're gonna pay you."
788
00:39:59,815 --> 00:40:01,358
I was a sophomore in college
789
00:40:01,442 --> 00:40:03,819
and I had gotten a call from Bill Gaither
790
00:40:03,903 --> 00:40:07,031
and he wanted me to come
do some shows with him.
791
00:40:07,114 --> 00:40:09,241
They would do these huge arena things.
792
00:40:09,325 --> 00:40:11,494
They came and picked me up
in a private plane.
793
00:40:11,577 --> 00:40:13,162
I was a sophomore in college.
794
00:40:13,245 --> 00:40:17,625
He was talking about Sandi Patty
had been their guest many times
795
00:40:17,708 --> 00:40:19,061
and "She just brought
the house down.
796
00:40:19,085 --> 00:40:21,146
It was a standing ovation.
She would finish a song..."
797
00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:24,173
[holding note in high pitch]
798
00:40:25,966 --> 00:40:27,426
[cheering and whistling]
799
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:29,488
And I said, "Well, if you're looking
for a standing ovation,
800
00:40:29,512 --> 00:40:32,389
you've got the wrong girl." [laughing]
801
00:40:32,473 --> 00:40:37,436
I said, "My music is more like
a good, comfortable pair of house shoes.
802
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,940
And if that's what you're looking for,
we got it." [chuckles]
803
00:40:45,236 --> 00:40:47,071
[soft piano music playing]
804
00:40:47,154 --> 00:40:50,032
Every time a door would open, I would go,
805
00:40:50,116 --> 00:40:52,618
"This is just really bizarre." [laughs]
806
00:40:53,619 --> 00:40:56,372
But I worked hard,
I worked on my craft,
807
00:40:56,455 --> 00:40:58,457
I worked on my songwriting.
808
00:40:58,541 --> 00:41:01,043
I didn't worry about record covers
809
00:41:01,127 --> 00:41:03,462
or what I looked like
or what people thought.
810
00:41:03,546 --> 00:41:10,010
Early on, I quickly took the focus off
of my ability to wow the crowd.
811
00:41:10,094 --> 00:41:12,847
I've just always been somewhere
in the middle of the pack.
812
00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:16,976
But I have a chance
to create a music world
813
00:41:17,059 --> 00:41:20,354
with the kind of music
that has moved me.
814
00:41:20,437 --> 00:41:24,358
Music was a lifeline to me.
815
00:41:24,441 --> 00:41:26,569
I think that the reason
Amy was so poised
816
00:41:26,652 --> 00:41:29,947
to be the perfect breakout artist
for Christian music
817
00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:34,243
is that she sings in
a very demure kind of style,
818
00:41:34,326 --> 00:41:37,329
which is the way that the church,
I think, liked women.
819
00:41:38,330 --> 00:41:40,749
If you need to be on stage,
just appreciate your place
820
00:41:40,833 --> 00:41:41,876
and be humble about it.
821
00:41:41,959 --> 00:41:44,670
Little did they know who she really was,
822
00:41:44,753 --> 00:41:49,133
and the talent that was
really forming in her all that time.
823
00:41:49,216 --> 00:41:51,594
She was like a Trojan horse,
like, she snuck in.
824
00:41:51,677 --> 00:41:54,930
["Wise Up" by Amy Grant playing]
825
00:41:55,014 --> 00:41:56,694
[reporter] She's probably the first artist
826
00:41:56,724 --> 00:41:58,809
to dance on stage in leather pants,
827
00:41:58,893 --> 00:42:02,354
no shoes, and a leopard skin jacket
while singing about Jesus.
828
00:42:02,438 --> 00:42:05,524
[Thompson] She's played nice long enough.
829
00:42:05,608 --> 00:42:07,026
Then Unguarded comes out.
830
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:10,738
That leopard jacket
and hair flying around,
831
00:42:10,821 --> 00:42:13,824
and she's playing for the big
leagues, at that point.
832
00:42:13,908 --> 00:42:16,076
["Wise Up" continues]
833
00:42:17,536 --> 00:42:20,432
[Steven Curtis Chapman] People responded
to it because there was an authenticity.
834
00:42:20,456 --> 00:42:23,834
This isn't somebody telling me
how I oughta be and live.
835
00:42:23,918 --> 00:42:26,038
This is somebody saying,
"I'll just tell ya my story."
836
00:42:26,086 --> 00:42:29,632
[Daigle] She has
this incredibly eloquent way
837
00:42:29,715 --> 00:42:34,136
of expressing human desire
in pretty universal ways.
838
00:42:37,681 --> 00:42:39,016
Here we go!
839
00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:42,102
[upbeat synth music playing]
840
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,025
[Smith] Well, I met Amy
in probably early 1981.
841
00:42:48,108 --> 00:42:49,860
I don't know how it really happened.
842
00:42:49,944 --> 00:42:53,280
I found myself in a room
with her and Gary,
843
00:42:53,364 --> 00:42:55,282
writing songs for the Age to Age record.
844
00:42:55,366 --> 00:42:57,701
[Grant] And he had an idea,
and he was playing something,
845
00:42:57,785 --> 00:42:59,554
and I thought, "God,
you're such a great musician.
846
00:42:59,578 --> 00:43:00,704
That's a great idea."
847
00:43:00,788 --> 00:43:03,958
And then he had another idea.
And then he got up and run around,
848
00:43:04,041 --> 00:43:06,669
and he had another idea. [laughs]
849
00:43:06,752 --> 00:43:08,337
He just jumped around a lot.
850
00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:11,340
He talked fast, and he was so energetic.
And just... you know?
851
00:43:11,423 --> 00:43:12,817
"What about this? What about this?"
852
00:43:12,841 --> 00:43:14,969
- He was really hyper.
- I was crazy.
853
00:43:15,052 --> 00:43:16,637
And I remember just thinking, "Whoa."
854
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,349
He was this fire hose of creativity.
855
00:43:20,432 --> 00:43:22,518
I mean, no wonder he had zero body fat.
856
00:43:22,601 --> 00:43:25,062
He just was like,
[mimics machine gun] you know?
857
00:43:25,145 --> 00:43:28,232
There was something
in the craft of those songs
858
00:43:28,315 --> 00:43:30,609
that I think was moving
Christian music forward.
859
00:43:30,693 --> 00:43:32,486
Come on, let's face it, you know?
860
00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:34,071
If I was gonna have a man crush,
861
00:43:34,154 --> 00:43:36,407
I mean, the dude's, you know,
he's a good-lookin' fella.
862
00:43:41,078 --> 00:43:42,997
[Smith] That writing moment with Amy
863
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,625
began a friendship that has lasted
all these years.
864
00:43:46,709 --> 00:43:48,061
I wouldn't be sitting in this chair
865
00:43:48,085 --> 00:43:51,297
if it hadn't been for Amy taking a chance
on this kid from West Virginia.
866
00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:53,382
[Grant] For the better part
of this last year,
867
00:43:53,465 --> 00:43:56,927
I was on the road with a young man
that's been a friend for about 10 years.
868
00:43:57,011 --> 00:43:58,691
I found out that he was
in Atlanta tonight,
869
00:43:58,721 --> 00:44:00,481
and there's no way we can be
in the same town
870
00:44:00,556 --> 00:44:01,849
and not be on the same stage.
871
00:44:01,932 --> 00:44:04,977
So would you please welcome
Michael W. Smith.
872
00:44:05,060 --> 00:44:06,413
[Smith] And Amy and I would end the show
873
00:44:06,437 --> 00:44:07,688
with "Friends" every night.
874
00:44:09,815 --> 00:44:12,901
[Smith]? And friends
are friends forever?
875
00:44:12,985 --> 00:44:15,029
♪ If the Lord's the Lord of them ♪
876
00:44:16,030 --> 00:44:18,824
♪ And a friend will not say never ♪
877
00:44:18,907 --> 00:44:21,744
♪ 'Cause the welcome will not end ♪
878
00:44:22,745 --> 00:44:26,123
♪ Though it's hard to let you go ♪
879
00:44:26,206 --> 00:44:29,418
♪ In the Father's hands we know ♪
880
00:44:29,501 --> 00:44:32,004
♪ That a lifetime's not too long ♪
881
00:44:33,672 --> 00:44:35,758
♪ To live as friends ♪
882
00:44:37,843 --> 00:44:40,637
♪ No, a lifetime's not too long ♪
883
00:44:43,098 --> 00:44:45,684
♪ To live as friends. ♪
884
00:44:45,768 --> 00:44:47,770
[audience cheering]
885
00:44:53,901 --> 00:44:55,819
[Thompson] Amy Grant
and Michael W. Smith,
886
00:44:55,903 --> 00:45:00,366
they're kind of the king and queen
of the prom of '80s CCM music.
887
00:45:00,449 --> 00:45:03,494
If it wasn't for them, I'm not sure
where the bar would be.
888
00:45:03,577 --> 00:45:08,165
[Styll] For a lot of the people
who got involved, the goal was,
889
00:45:08,248 --> 00:45:11,418
"Let's make music
that's good enough to get on pop radio."
890
00:45:11,502 --> 00:45:13,212
We want our message to be out there
891
00:45:13,295 --> 00:45:15,381
where people who need
the message can hear it.
892
00:45:15,464 --> 00:45:18,717
But it didn't happen until Amy Grant
made it happen.
893
00:45:18,801 --> 00:45:21,136
And she's sold now
over 10 million records.
894
00:45:21,220 --> 00:45:23,222
She burst onto
the mainstream pop charts
895
00:45:23,305 --> 00:45:25,682
with an incredibly catchy tune
called "Baby Baby."
896
00:45:25,766 --> 00:45:28,811
- "Baby Baby."
- This is Amy Grant!
897
00:45:28,894 --> 00:45:30,312
♪ Baby, baby ♪
898
00:45:30,396 --> 00:45:33,649
♪ I'm taken with the notion ♪
899
00:45:33,732 --> 00:45:36,693
[Grant] Something shifted
in the mid-'80s.
900
00:45:36,777 --> 00:45:40,489
All I remember,
it was just so much fun.
901
00:45:40,572 --> 00:45:43,450
Whatever that energy feeling
of running with headphones on,
902
00:45:43,534 --> 00:45:45,035
I feel like I could run forever,
903
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,706
just add that with the massive wind
that was carrying you.
904
00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:51,291
[Jennifer Cooke]
TV performances,
905
00:45:51,375 --> 00:45:53,794
radio interviews,
international... We were like,
906
00:45:53,877 --> 00:45:56,255
"This thing's blowin' up
in Japan and Singapore."
907
00:45:56,338 --> 00:46:00,843
[Thompson] Then the fact that the video
blows up on MTV, and radio,
908
00:46:00,926 --> 00:46:02,302
VH1, all that stuff.
909
00:46:02,386 --> 00:46:04,805
Well, my first hit was on VH1.
910
00:46:04,888 --> 00:46:07,099
[Degarmo] Mike Blanton
actually called me
911
00:46:07,182 --> 00:46:10,060
and played me "Baby Baby"
over the telephone.
912
00:46:10,144 --> 00:46:12,062
And he goes, "What do you think?"
913
00:46:12,146 --> 00:46:15,441
And I said, "You know, it's
a really good song. It's really catchy."
914
00:46:15,524 --> 00:46:17,734
And I said, "You're gonna
catch a lot of hell."
915
00:46:20,028 --> 00:46:21,780
"Some people
are gonna understand it,
916
00:46:21,864 --> 00:46:25,117
and probably more people
are gonna go with you,
917
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,162
but there will be a minority of people,
918
00:46:28,245 --> 00:46:30,497
usually with very loud voices,
919
00:46:30,581 --> 00:46:31,832
that will oppose you."
920
00:46:31,915 --> 00:46:34,978
[Thompson] I remember there being a lot
of people inside the Christian music world
921
00:46:35,002 --> 00:46:37,796
that were, like, trying to make
that record fail.
922
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,631
I mean, the arrows were flying.
923
00:46:39,715 --> 00:46:43,594
Amy Grant was always
a little bit controversial,
924
00:46:43,677 --> 00:46:45,387
as strange as that seems to say.
925
00:46:45,471 --> 00:46:49,475
She always attracted controversy
because she's a huge target, you know.
926
00:46:49,558 --> 00:46:50,601
She's massively popular
927
00:46:50,684 --> 00:46:53,395
and the most popular ones
get the most criticism.
928
00:46:53,479 --> 00:46:57,524
God forbid they have a song
that the world loves.
929
00:46:57,608 --> 00:46:59,318
Did we actually miss the part
930
00:46:59,401 --> 00:47:02,404
that we're supposed to go into all
the world and make disciples? [chuckles]
931
00:47:02,488 --> 00:47:03,739
"But, oh, my gosh,
932
00:47:03,822 --> 00:47:05,216
you didn't say 'Jesus' enough times."
933
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:08,160
[Smith] If you scream loud enough,
they're gonna hear ya, you know.
934
00:47:08,243 --> 00:47:11,497
I mean, I had people say
things about Amy and myself
935
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:13,582
that are completely not true, you know.
936
00:47:13,665 --> 00:47:16,126
They don't even know who we are.
937
00:47:16,210 --> 00:47:18,795
I sorta wanted to go duke it out
with the critics. [laughs]
938
00:47:21,173 --> 00:47:24,843
I could tell that it was
sort of weighing on her,
939
00:47:24,927 --> 00:47:26,696
and sometimes I'd just go
in her dressing room and just sit.
940
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,448
I didn't... Sometimes
I wouldn't say anything.
941
00:47:28,472 --> 00:47:32,476
Just say, "I'm praying for ya.
It's gonna be okay," you know.
942
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,478
"Doesn't matter
what those people think."
943
00:47:43,695 --> 00:47:46,698
["The Great Adventure"
by Steven Curtis Chapman playing]
944
00:47:47,699 --> 00:47:52,329
[Thompson] If the '80s was
when Christian music came into its own,
945
00:47:52,412 --> 00:47:57,459
then the '90s is when the machine
is just perfected.
946
00:47:57,543 --> 00:48:00,671
It was just this wide, open canvas.
947
00:48:00,754 --> 00:48:03,840
You had grunge
and you had the pop thing,
948
00:48:03,924 --> 00:48:06,176
and you had rock,
and you had hip-hop.
949
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:09,513
Just this hodgepodge of creativity
going on in the world.
950
00:48:09,596 --> 00:48:11,014
Music was at an all-time high.
951
00:48:11,098 --> 00:48:12,325
[Bill Reeves] It was everything
952
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:15,811
from the spiritual competitiveness
to the business competitiveness
953
00:48:15,894 --> 00:48:19,398
to these bigger-than-life egos
and personalities.
954
00:48:19,481 --> 00:48:22,943
Definitely the competition
was very fierce.
955
00:48:23,026 --> 00:48:25,279
[Degarmo] There was a huge
changing of the guard
956
00:48:25,362 --> 00:48:26,947
that happened in the early '90s.
957
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:29,950
[Reeves] Amy and Michael and Steven
958
00:48:30,033 --> 00:48:32,786
really opened the door for other bands.
959
00:48:32,869 --> 00:48:37,499
It was as aggressive
as Christian music had gotten.
960
00:48:37,583 --> 00:48:40,085
That's why it's continued
to blaze a trail.
961
00:48:40,168 --> 00:48:43,171
["The Great Adventure" continues]
962
00:48:50,387 --> 00:48:52,448
[Bart Millard] It was kind of this sense
of, "We're here."
963
00:48:52,472 --> 00:48:54,057
This genre is being defined.
964
00:48:54,141 --> 00:48:56,143
["The Great Adventure" continues]
965
00:49:01,940 --> 00:49:05,319
Obviously, the band that really had
the biggest impact there was dc Talk.
966
00:49:08,655 --> 00:49:11,074
[instrumental music playing]
967
00:49:11,158 --> 00:49:14,077
[Tobymac] I don't know any other way
but to be relentless.
968
00:49:14,161 --> 00:49:17,789
I mean, I realize that I will push it
on the relentless level
969
00:49:17,873 --> 00:49:20,375
further than anyone I've met.
970
00:49:20,459 --> 00:49:22,020
- So I drive 'em crazy.
- [interviewer] Yeah.
971
00:49:22,044 --> 00:49:24,338
I drive them utterly crazy.
972
00:49:24,421 --> 00:49:27,549
It could be more roundy.
[vocalizes guitar lick]
973
00:49:27,633 --> 00:49:30,427
I mean, if you wanna jack with it
as a guitarist, it's fine,
974
00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:32,346
but it just needs to fill that space.
975
00:49:32,429 --> 00:49:34,973
Now that you're playing other notes,
I think I do like my notes.
976
00:49:35,057 --> 00:49:36,576
[interviewer]
Who is the driving force?
977
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,685
Who is the one that cracked
the whip, keep it going?
978
00:49:38,769 --> 00:49:40,812
Oh, Toby, hands down.
979
00:49:40,896 --> 00:49:42,814
[interviewer] With... With Toby being
980
00:49:42,898 --> 00:49:44,524
very driven, perfectionistic,
981
00:49:44,608 --> 00:49:47,694
- sometimes controlling.
- Yeah.
982
00:49:47,778 --> 00:49:49,863
How did that work in the early days?
983
00:49:49,946 --> 00:49:52,824
It obviously didn't work. [laughs]
984
00:49:52,908 --> 00:49:56,203
♪ Jesus is still all right with me ♪
985
00:49:56,286 --> 00:49:59,831
♪ Jesus is still all right, oh, yeah ♪
986
00:49:59,915 --> 00:50:04,294
♪ Jesus is still all right,
you know that He's all right ♪
987
00:50:04,378 --> 00:50:06,755
They became icons by the '90s.
988
00:50:06,838 --> 00:50:09,466
- dc Talk!
- dc Talk.
989
00:50:09,549 --> 00:50:10,550
This is dc Talk.
990
00:50:10,634 --> 00:50:13,196
[Thompson] They ended up finding
themselves in a very big platform,
991
00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:14,262
relatively quickly.
992
00:50:14,346 --> 00:50:16,264
And I'm not sure that all of them
993
00:50:16,348 --> 00:50:18,266
wanted to be
where they found themselves.
994
00:50:18,350 --> 00:50:20,686
Yeah, there was tension on dc Talk.
995
00:50:20,769 --> 00:50:24,022
They were held together
with duct tape and prayer.
996
00:50:24,106 --> 00:50:27,109
♪ Oh, he's so, he's so,
he's so, he is so... ♪
997
00:50:27,192 --> 00:50:28,544
[Tait] Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
998
00:50:28,568 --> 00:50:29,736
Here's the deal.
999
00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:32,030
This thing on paper
shouldn't have worked.
1000
00:50:39,996 --> 00:50:41,164
[hip-hop music playing]
1001
00:50:41,248 --> 00:50:43,834
[Tobymac] I didn't know contemporary
Christian music existed.
1002
00:50:43,917 --> 00:50:46,044
So when I wrote my first Christian lyric,
1003
00:50:46,128 --> 00:50:48,130
I thought I made this whole thing up.
1004
00:50:48,213 --> 00:50:49,732
[Tait] Toby and I went
to rival high schools.
1005
00:50:49,756 --> 00:50:52,342
I sang in chapel one day,
and Toby walked up to me
1006
00:50:52,426 --> 00:50:55,595
in these black penny loafers
and these white socks.
1007
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:58,098
I was like, "What do we have here?"
1008
00:50:58,181 --> 00:50:59,575
Said, "Hey, man, you got a great voice.
1009
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,102
Can I buy you
a sweet tea from Hardee's?"
1010
00:51:02,185 --> 00:51:03,865
We started talking
and talking and talking.
1011
00:51:03,895 --> 00:51:04,956
And we never stopped talking.
1012
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:08,692
He was truly my first vanilla best friend
in the whole world.
1013
00:51:08,775 --> 00:51:10,670
[Tobymac] I was like, "What are
you doing this summer?"
1014
00:51:10,694 --> 00:51:12,904
He's like, "I'm gonna do
concerts at all these churches.
1015
00:51:12,988 --> 00:51:14,448
I'm gonna book a whole tour."
1016
00:51:14,531 --> 00:51:17,617
And I said, "Well, I need a job
this summer. Can I go with you?"
1017
00:51:17,701 --> 00:51:19,804
He's like, "If you'll run sound,
you can come with me."
1018
00:51:19,828 --> 00:51:22,038
Imagine that.
Toby's running sound for me.
1019
00:51:22,122 --> 00:51:25,000
And doing a kind of okay job.
Wasn't the best. It just wasn't.
1020
00:51:25,083 --> 00:51:26,352
He was still learning,
but I forgive him.
1021
00:51:26,376 --> 00:51:28,044
We went on the road for months.
1022
00:51:28,128 --> 00:51:31,381
We've had the best time. We had no clue.
But we were young boys, you know,
1023
00:51:31,465 --> 00:51:32,900
living out our lives
and playing in churches.
1024
00:51:32,924 --> 00:51:37,012
The next year we heard about
this freshman that could sing.
1025
00:51:37,095 --> 00:51:40,015
And I said, "Well, let's check out
this kid, Kevin Max."
1026
00:51:40,098 --> 00:51:42,410
Really, I was kinda critiquing,
making sure he wasn't better than me,
1027
00:51:42,434 --> 00:51:44,895
[laughs] 'cause couldn't have
a new singing boss on campus,
1028
00:51:44,978 --> 00:51:47,123
I kinda had campus locked down
on the singing side of things.
1029
00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:49,858
We went and saw him sing
and, man, he could sing.
1030
00:51:49,941 --> 00:51:51,568
Undoubtedly, one of the best singers,
1031
00:51:51,651 --> 00:51:53,737
to this day,
that I've ever heard in my life.
1032
00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:56,156
I remember them coming up
to me and saying,
1033
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,909
"We want you to be in the group."
Immediately I was like,
1034
00:51:58,992 --> 00:52:00,911
"This is not gonna work at all."
1035
00:52:02,496 --> 00:52:05,582
I think 1988, maybe early 1989,
1036
00:52:05,665 --> 00:52:08,084
our fourth partner brought us a tape,
1037
00:52:08,168 --> 00:52:10,337
a group called
dc Talk and the One Way Crew.
1038
00:52:10,420 --> 00:52:13,423
["Nu Thang" by dc Talk playing]
1039
00:52:13,507 --> 00:52:16,718
[Smith] All three of these guys
were completely different.
1040
00:52:16,802 --> 00:52:19,387
If you think about it, you're going,
"How's this gonna work?"
1041
00:52:19,471 --> 00:52:21,681
["Nu Thang" continues]
1042
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:25,953
[Tobymac] We were just doing
what we loved.
1043
00:52:25,977 --> 00:52:28,730
We weren't trying to market it to anybody.
1044
00:52:28,814 --> 00:52:31,691
Like, we just loved this kind of music.
1045
00:52:31,775 --> 00:52:34,694
[Degarmo] A lot of people said,
"How did you get to sign dc Talk?"
1046
00:52:34,778 --> 00:52:37,781
Well, nobody else would. [laughs]
1047
00:52:39,908 --> 00:52:43,078
And the king bowed down before them.
1048
00:52:43,161 --> 00:52:46,706
Because three young men
dared stand alone.
1049
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:49,793
[upbeat rock music playing]
1050
00:52:52,796 --> 00:52:54,005
[Smith] Billy says,
1051
00:52:54,089 --> 00:52:57,592
"If we're gonna reach the next generation,
we gotta change the programming up.
1052
00:52:57,676 --> 00:52:59,678
And we're gonna have a rock concert."
1053
00:52:59,761 --> 00:53:01,137
[laughs] Basically.
1054
00:53:01,221 --> 00:53:02,573
[Tait] I was always thinking to myself,
1055
00:53:02,597 --> 00:53:05,016
"Okay, we're gonna come in
as young cats,
1056
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:06,601
bouncing all over the stage,
1057
00:53:06,685 --> 00:53:09,229
sweatpants on
and hats turned sideways."
1058
00:53:09,312 --> 00:53:10,998
Okay, they do know
what we do, right? [chuckles]
1059
00:53:11,022 --> 00:53:12,983
[Smith] It was met
with lots of opposition.
1060
00:53:13,066 --> 00:53:14,818
It did not sit well.
1061
00:53:14,901 --> 00:53:17,880
There were a lot of people that thought
he was not making the right decision.
1062
00:53:17,904 --> 00:53:19,614
But Billy was adamant,
said we gotta do it.
1063
00:53:24,995 --> 00:53:30,083
October 1994, Cleveland Stadium.
1064
00:53:30,166 --> 00:53:32,335
There were 85,0 00 kids
in the stadium.
1065
00:53:32,419 --> 00:53:34,504
I remember showing up
and it was like,
1066
00:53:34,588 --> 00:53:36,673
"Wow, we are making history."
1067
00:53:36,756 --> 00:53:40,010
Me and dc Talk
at a Billy Graham crusade.
1068
00:53:40,093 --> 00:53:43,138
And then all of a sudden,
Billy walks up to the podium
1069
00:53:43,221 --> 00:53:45,557
and the place just explodes.
1070
00:53:46,558 --> 00:53:47,559
[audience cheering]
1071
00:53:47,642 --> 00:53:52,856
Billy gave one of the most compelling
sermons I've ever heard him preach.
1072
00:53:52,939 --> 00:53:56,443
[Tait] He read the lyrics to "The Hardway"
a s part of his message.
1073
00:53:56,526 --> 00:53:58,570
Toby had just finished that song
1074
00:53:58,653 --> 00:54:01,489
and it just absolutely tore him apart.
1075
00:54:01,573 --> 00:54:03,450
Toby cried, man.
I cry thinking about it.
1076
00:54:03,533 --> 00:54:07,287
I thought, "Man, I'm walking on stage
right now with Billy Graham,
1077
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:08,747
who I saw as a kid."
1078
00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:10,916
It was overwhelming.
1079
00:54:10,999 --> 00:54:13,001
I start crying. Toby's crying.
1080
00:54:13,084 --> 00:54:16,296
It was like a dream. It was surreal.
1081
00:54:16,379 --> 00:54:19,090
And then I thought,
"This is the first of many.
1082
00:54:20,091 --> 00:54:21,259
So here we go."
1083
00:54:21,343 --> 00:54:25,180
[Tobymac] What we were doing said so much
to people across the world.
1084
00:54:25,263 --> 00:54:28,683
He turned the page for all of us
when it comes to music
1085
00:54:28,767 --> 00:54:31,603
and how we can express ourself
in the arts.
1086
00:54:31,686 --> 00:54:34,230
We don't have to do it
the way it was done before.
1087
00:54:34,314 --> 00:54:36,232
We can do it the way we wanna do it.
1088
00:54:36,316 --> 00:54:38,985
And Billy Graham said that's valuable.
1089
00:54:39,069 --> 00:54:41,029
[dc Talk]? What will people think?
1090
00:54:41,112 --> 00:54:44,157
♪ When they hear that I'm a Jesus freak? ♪
1091
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:46,117
- ♪ What will people do?
- ? Freakshow ♪
1092
00:54:46,201 --> 00:54:47,827
♪ When they find that it's true? ♪
1093
00:54:47,911 --> 00:54:50,288
["Jesus Freak" by dc Talk continues]
1094
00:54:50,372 --> 00:54:53,083
[narrator] Deep-seated
in the American citizen...
1095
00:54:53,166 --> 00:54:56,086
born of the concept that all men
are free and equal.
1096
00:54:58,004 --> 00:55:00,632
[Styll] This is the epitome
of what people like me
1097
00:55:00,715 --> 00:55:02,884
had been hoping for, for years.
1098
00:55:02,968 --> 00:55:05,095
So when an album like Jesus Freak
comes out, you go,
1099
00:55:05,178 --> 00:55:07,347
[scoffs] "That's it. They did it."
1100
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:11,518
[Degarmo] "Jesus freak" was not
a complimentary term.
1101
00:55:11,601 --> 00:55:15,647
And I was so grateful
that Toby was able to redeem it
1102
00:55:15,730 --> 00:55:17,315
in such a way that he did.
1103
00:55:17,399 --> 00:55:20,402
And it became an anthem
for a whole age of people.
1104
00:55:20,485 --> 00:55:21,569
♪ I saw a man with a tat ♪
1105
00:55:21,653 --> 00:55:22,654
♪ On his big fat belly ♪
1106
00:55:22,737 --> 00:55:24,906
♪ It wiggled around
like marmalade jelly ♪
1107
00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:26,908
♪ It took me a while
to catch what it said ♪
1108
00:55:26,992 --> 00:55:27,993
♪ 'Cause I had to match ♪
1109
00:55:28,076 --> 00:55:29,786
♪ The rhythm of his belly
with my head ♪
1110
00:55:29,869 --> 00:55:31,705
♪ "Jesus Saves" is what it raved ♪
1111
00:55:31,788 --> 00:55:34,374
♪ In a typical tattoo green ♪
1112
00:55:34,457 --> 00:55:36,001
[Tobymac] I loved the push.
1113
00:55:36,084 --> 00:55:37,919
It says everything we feel.
1114
00:55:39,004 --> 00:55:40,380
♪ What will people think ♪
1115
00:55:40,463 --> 00:55:43,383
♪ When they hear
that I'm a Jesus freak? ♪
1116
00:55:43,466 --> 00:55:46,720
♪ What will people do
when they find that it's true? ♪
1117
00:55:46,803 --> 00:55:51,725
It felt right to sort of stick your chest
out and say, "This is what we believe."
1118
00:55:51,808 --> 00:55:54,644
We tried to create something
that hadn't been created before.
1119
00:55:54,728 --> 00:55:56,187
[Tait] When Jesus Freak came out,
1120
00:55:56,271 --> 00:55:58,940
it went gold a little over a month.
1121
00:55:59,024 --> 00:56:00,650
And back then, that was unheard of.
1122
00:56:00,734 --> 00:56:03,028
But it did not come
without a lot of thought,
1123
00:56:03,111 --> 00:56:05,196
a lot of blood, sweat and tears. Trust me.
1124
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,520
[Tobymac] I felt no inhibition.
1125
00:56:06,573 --> 00:56:08,533
I just felt, let's just go. It's on.
1126
00:56:08,616 --> 00:56:11,202
Think of the wildest imagery
you can think of
1127
00:56:11,286 --> 00:56:13,288
and put it into words. And go.
1128
00:56:13,371 --> 00:56:15,290
[Tait] But there was times when I knew
1129
00:56:15,373 --> 00:56:17,125
we weren't in the right place
in our heads.
1130
00:56:17,208 --> 00:56:20,837
[Tobymac] I don't think you're ever ready
for a lot of success quickly.
1131
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,213
When it hit, it happened fast.
1132
00:56:22,297 --> 00:56:24,090
It was just too much.
1133
00:56:25,091 --> 00:56:26,092
It was just too much.
1134
00:56:26,176 --> 00:56:28,178
[distorted guitar playing]
1135
00:56:30,138 --> 00:56:31,824
[interviewer] What was the moment
that made you decide,
1136
00:56:31,848 --> 00:56:33,558
"We need to take a break"?
1137
00:56:33,641 --> 00:56:35,060
Um...
1138
00:56:35,143 --> 00:56:36,644
I've never shared this with anybody,
1139
00:56:36,728 --> 00:56:38,688
so, I would... I would want
to retain the right
1140
00:56:38,772 --> 00:56:40,052
- to not put it up there.
- Sure.
1141
00:56:42,984 --> 00:56:47,697
[Tait] I would not wish fame, fortune,
notoriety on anybody.
1142
00:56:47,781 --> 00:56:50,033
Anonymity is not a bad thing. Trust me.
1143
00:56:50,116 --> 00:56:52,160
[Tobymac] I would demand things,
1144
00:56:52,243 --> 00:56:55,663
like push, push, push
for you to see this.
1145
00:56:55,747 --> 00:56:58,249
And if you didn't,
you were an idiot. [laughs]
1146
00:56:58,333 --> 00:57:00,835
The friction I had with Toby
usually played out on stage.
1147
00:57:00,919 --> 00:57:04,422
It was more like, you know,
he'd give me a death stare.
1148
00:57:04,506 --> 00:57:09,135
Toby and Mike would literally
argue over anything.
1149
00:57:09,219 --> 00:57:12,388
[Tait] Kevin can be a handful, at times.
1150
00:57:12,472 --> 00:57:14,766
Kevin and I, when we love, we love hard.
1151
00:57:14,849 --> 00:57:16,518
We fight, we fight hard.
1152
00:57:16,601 --> 00:57:18,394
We took the harder route
mostly every time.
1153
00:57:18,478 --> 00:57:22,440
[Max] One time, Mike and I got into
a really big argument in the tour bus
1154
00:57:22,524 --> 00:57:24,567
and we were yelling
and pushing each other so much
1155
00:57:24,651 --> 00:57:27,153
that the bus was, like,
going back and forth, rocking.
1156
00:57:27,237 --> 00:57:29,447
The show would start
and I wouldn't come on stage.
1157
00:57:29,531 --> 00:57:33,409
- Kevin. Where's Kevin?
- Haven't seen him.
1158
00:57:33,493 --> 00:57:35,703
Kevin's missing. That's nice.
1159
00:57:35,787 --> 00:57:36,871
[show manager] Kevin!
1160
00:57:37,872 --> 00:57:40,041
- Opening night, Kevin's gone.
- Kevin!
1161
00:57:42,544 --> 00:57:46,131
We were just three individuals
performing on stage.
1162
00:57:46,214 --> 00:57:49,717
Not a tight, close unit like we'd been
throughout the years.
1163
00:57:50,718 --> 00:57:53,471
Became very apparent
that we were all just kind of, like,
1164
00:57:53,555 --> 00:57:55,355
going through the motions,
at a certain point.
1165
00:57:56,349 --> 00:57:59,269
[Tobymac] I felt like,
"it's time to take a break."
1166
00:57:59,352 --> 00:58:01,187
I just wanted some peace.
1167
00:58:02,981 --> 00:58:04,941
[Tait] My only regret with dc Talk
is that,
1168
00:58:05,024 --> 00:58:07,068
and I mean this,
is that it was so short.
1169
00:58:07,152 --> 00:58:08,695
Ten years in,
1170
00:58:08,778 --> 00:58:10,738
we were approaching
our peak, I believe.
1171
00:58:10,822 --> 00:58:11,823
And we just...
1172
00:58:11,906 --> 00:58:16,494
Let's take a break.
Let's take a "intermission."
1173
00:58:16,578 --> 00:58:20,290
And here we are, 19, 20 years later,
and the intermission continues.
1174
00:58:20,373 --> 00:58:23,001
[Tobymac] Where I fell flat on my face
was the end of dc Talk.
1175
00:58:23,084 --> 00:58:25,712
I realized that I didn't do it all right.
1176
00:58:25,795 --> 00:58:27,797
I put product in front of people
1177
00:58:27,881 --> 00:58:30,758
and the most important thing is people.
1178
00:58:30,842 --> 00:58:34,262
To be honest, I remember Toby
telling me in private one time,
1179
00:58:34,345 --> 00:58:38,308
saying, "Tait, if you wanna keep
this thing going, I'll keep it going.
1180
00:58:39,392 --> 00:58:40,852
But if you guys wanna go solo,
1181
00:58:40,935 --> 00:58:44,230
then I'm gonna do the same thing,
but I'm not gonna look back."
1182
00:58:44,314 --> 00:58:47,442
He didn't look back
and the rest is history.
1183
00:58:47,525 --> 00:58:49,944
[dc Talk]
? So long, my friend?
1184
00:58:50,028 --> 00:58:52,655
♪ We know exactly where you are,
and you're gone. ♪
1185
00:58:55,867 --> 00:58:58,703
[interviewer] Tell me your name
and what you do in music.
1186
00:58:58,786 --> 00:59:01,497
All right. My name is Michael Tait,
1187
00:59:01,581 --> 00:59:04,334
and I'm the lead singer
of a band called the Newsboys.
1188
00:59:08,296 --> 00:59:12,050
[rock music playing]
1189
00:59:12,133 --> 00:59:15,762
I've been in Newsboys now longer
than I was in dc Talk. How 'bout that?
1190
00:59:15,845 --> 00:59:17,430
That's a little factoid for ya.
1191
00:59:17,513 --> 00:59:18,723
And Kevin did his thing.
1192
00:59:18,806 --> 00:59:20,308
Poetry books, and lots of music.
1193
00:59:20,391 --> 00:59:22,352
And that was the road we took.
1194
00:59:22,435 --> 00:59:25,647
[Max] And I feel like it's informed me
as an artist, more than anything,
1195
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:27,482
is to be able to be somebody
1196
00:59:27,565 --> 00:59:30,610
that's seen ultimate success
and ultimate failure,
1197
00:59:30,693 --> 00:59:32,820
and to live in the valley of that.
1198
00:59:32,904 --> 00:59:34,506
[Tobymac] I thought my thing was gonna be
1199
00:59:34,530 --> 00:59:35,990
a meager little offering,
1200
00:59:36,074 --> 00:59:39,452
as compared to these vocal powerhouses,
Michael and Kevin.
1201
00:59:39,535 --> 00:59:41,537
But I was gonna work.
1202
00:59:41,621 --> 00:59:43,373
I was gonna outwork anybody.
1203
00:59:43,456 --> 00:59:45,541
[rock music playing]
1204
00:59:45,625 --> 00:59:48,711
TobyMac as a solo artist? Incredible.
1205
00:59:48,795 --> 00:59:53,007
[Thompson] There's just nobody like him
that's ever done this genre.
1206
00:59:53,091 --> 00:59:55,510
There's so much heart in it.
There's so much skill in it.
1207
00:59:55,593 --> 00:59:56,719
[Stuart] He's the one person
1208
00:59:56,803 --> 00:59:59,138
that shaped Christian music
more than anybody.
1209
00:59:59,222 --> 01:00:02,141
He never gives up. He's a workhorse.
1210
01:00:02,225 --> 01:00:03,893
It's unbelievable what he's done.
1211
01:00:03,977 --> 01:00:06,104
[Tobymac]? This is the one?
1212
01:00:06,187 --> 01:00:09,440
[Tait] These words were Toby's,
"Success is the best revenge."
1213
01:00:09,524 --> 01:00:11,734
He didn't just win. He conquered.
1214
01:00:11,818 --> 01:00:14,696
♪ We gonna bring it
like it ain't been brung. ♪
1215
01:00:15,697 --> 01:00:18,074
[interviewer] Is it a closed chapter,
with dc Talk?
1216
01:00:18,157 --> 01:00:20,618
I don't have to...
Do you have an answer?
1217
01:00:20,702 --> 01:00:22,954
Yeah, yeah, no problem.
You're good, man.
1218
01:00:23,037 --> 01:00:24,037
Uh...
1219
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:26,791
I...
1220
01:00:26,874 --> 01:00:28,876
[rock music playing]
1221
01:00:30,128 --> 01:00:32,248
[Dan Haseltine] Artists were
wanting to be innovative.
1222
01:00:32,297 --> 01:00:34,882
We all recognize that our goal
1223
01:00:34,966 --> 01:00:37,552
was not to just be the Christian version
of something else,
1224
01:00:37,635 --> 01:00:41,472
but it was to own our space
in the musical landscape.
1225
01:00:41,556 --> 01:00:44,183
There was some really cool stuff
happening. We had no idea.
1226
01:00:44,267 --> 01:00:47,812
There was a big,
heavy kind of turn to bands.
1227
01:00:47,895 --> 01:00:50,291
[Stuart] That's just how we felt,
you know, as young musicians.
1228
01:00:50,315 --> 01:00:53,693
We're like, "You can't tell us what to do.
We're gonna do it our way."
1229
01:00:53,776 --> 01:00:55,945
But I think we were just given wings
1230
01:00:56,029 --> 01:00:58,239
to explore what could be.
1231
01:00:58,323 --> 01:01:00,158
[Chapman] It was
such an exciting time,
1232
01:01:00,241 --> 01:01:02,660
because nobody really knew
where this was gonna go.
1233
01:01:03,661 --> 01:01:05,621
[Haseltine] I mean,
that was the golden age.
1234
01:01:05,705 --> 01:01:08,249
[chuckles] It was the golden
age of Christian music.
1235
01:01:08,333 --> 01:01:10,126
And now here come Kirk Franklin.
1236
01:01:10,209 --> 01:01:12,003
Wait! What? Yes!
1237
01:01:12,086 --> 01:01:14,005
♪ Get ready for the revolution ♪
1238
01:01:14,088 --> 01:01:15,340
♪ Come on, come on, come on ♪
1239
01:01:15,423 --> 01:01:17,008
♪ What you say now?
Come on, come on ♪
1240
01:01:17,091 --> 01:01:19,469
[Reeves] There's no question
that Kirk Franklin
1241
01:01:19,552 --> 01:01:23,097
is the most important
gospel music artist of our time.
1242
01:01:23,181 --> 01:01:25,600
I mean, Kirk came in with a bang.
1243
01:01:25,683 --> 01:01:29,729
Here are Image Award winners
Kirk Franklin and the Family.
1244
01:01:29,812 --> 01:01:33,316
[Thompson] Kirk has been
an amazing presence
1245
01:01:33,399 --> 01:01:36,027
as an artist, as a songwriter,
as a producer.
1246
01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:37,338
I don't know that we deserve him,
1247
01:01:37,362 --> 01:01:39,697
but I'm sure glad
that he hasn't given up on us.
1248
01:01:39,781 --> 01:01:41,366
I love Kirk Franklin.
1249
01:01:41,449 --> 01:01:44,494
First of all, he's crazy. [laughs]
1250
01:01:44,577 --> 01:01:46,704
Please welcome
Kirk and Tammy Franklin.
1251
01:01:46,788 --> 01:01:48,790
[audience cheering]
1252
01:01:49,916 --> 01:01:50,916
Yes!
1253
01:01:50,958 --> 01:01:52,460
Kirk is just, like, timeless.
1254
01:01:52,543 --> 01:01:54,379
[Tait] Kirk is a bridgebuilder.
1255
01:01:54,462 --> 01:01:56,214
He's a bridgebuilder and beyond.
1256
01:01:56,297 --> 01:01:58,841
[Lecrae] Kirk is a father,
he's a husband,
1257
01:01:58,925 --> 01:02:01,344
he's a leader, he's a musical genius.
1258
01:02:01,427 --> 01:02:03,596
Ladies and gentlemen,
this is my man, Kirk Franklin.
1259
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:05,431
[audience cheering]
1260
01:02:05,515 --> 01:02:09,769
[Franklin] Doing music, for me, never was
in the goal of ever having a career.
1261
01:02:09,852 --> 01:02:12,355
I never thought that I was
going to have a career.
1262
01:02:12,438 --> 01:02:13,998
I could just tell that people liked it.
1263
01:02:14,065 --> 01:02:16,984
What drove me in life was being liked.
1264
01:02:17,985 --> 01:02:19,213
'Cause I just wanted to be liked.
1265
01:02:19,237 --> 01:02:21,406
When the world of success came,
1266
01:02:21,489 --> 01:02:23,491
it just meant too much to me,
1267
01:02:23,574 --> 01:02:26,285
and it became too much of an identity.
1268
01:02:26,369 --> 01:02:28,579
[women]? The way I do my life?
1269
01:02:30,415 --> 01:02:33,292
[Franklin] I remember the hole in my soul,
1270
01:02:33,376 --> 01:02:35,336
even as a little kid,
not having a father.
1271
01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:37,213
[somber music playing]
1272
01:02:37,296 --> 01:02:40,091
Realizing that I was adopted.
1273
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:44,679
When my mother made the decision
that she didn't wanna be a mother,
1274
01:02:44,762 --> 01:02:46,597
I think I was about two or three.
1275
01:02:46,681 --> 01:02:48,683
And the lady that adopted me,
her name is Gertrude.
1276
01:02:51,436 --> 01:02:54,272
She was born not being able to vote,
1277
01:02:54,355 --> 01:02:57,525
or not being able to drink
where other people could drink,
1278
01:02:57,608 --> 01:03:00,820
not being able to walk
where other people could walk.
1279
01:03:00,903 --> 01:03:03,739
I remember her singing hymns
in the house.
1280
01:03:03,823 --> 01:03:05,074
[woman humming]
1281
01:03:07,118 --> 01:03:09,537
At the very front of the house,
there was a piano.
1282
01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:10,997
And I still have that piano.
1283
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:16,252
It was something very romantic
between that piano and myself as a kid.
1284
01:03:16,335 --> 01:03:19,464
But there would always be ideas
and songs about Jesus.
1285
01:03:21,382 --> 01:03:24,969
The idea of God
pulled on my heart very early.
1286
01:03:29,891 --> 01:03:32,018
I'll never forget hearing
my biological mother
1287
01:03:32,101 --> 01:03:35,229
arguing with the lady that adopted me.
1288
01:03:35,313 --> 01:03:36,513
She said, "I didn't want him."
1289
01:03:39,108 --> 01:03:41,402
[somber music continues]
1290
01:03:41,486 --> 01:03:44,739
I remember climbing
on top of the house
1291
01:03:44,822 --> 01:03:48,618
and having conversations
with God at night, and the stars.
1292
01:03:55,541 --> 01:04:01,672
Looking at the stars and having
these really personal conversations.
1293
01:04:01,756 --> 01:04:05,510
I can remember
the fabric of those moments.
1294
01:04:09,597 --> 01:04:11,516
But there was nothing religious about it.
1295
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:14,602
It was very easy
to have this conversation.
1296
01:04:18,940 --> 01:04:20,399
I could tell early on
1297
01:04:20,483 --> 01:04:24,320
that there was something interesting
between me and songwriting.
1298
01:04:24,403 --> 01:04:26,405
I started writing songs
1299
01:04:26,489 --> 01:04:30,618
for the choirs that I would work with
in the neighborhood.
1300
01:04:30,701 --> 01:04:32,245
I tried to get a record deal.
1301
01:04:32,328 --> 01:04:34,497
Couldn't get signed
for anything in the world.
1302
01:04:34,580 --> 01:04:37,083
People told me that the music wasn't good,
1303
01:04:37,166 --> 01:04:38,709
the songwriting wasn't strong enough.
1304
01:04:39,710 --> 01:04:41,712
And I got really discouraged.
1305
01:04:41,796 --> 01:04:46,259
I was playing at an event where the guest
artist there was Daryl Coley.
1306
01:04:46,342 --> 01:04:49,387
This guy was
the Black Pavarotti of gospel.
1307
01:04:49,470 --> 01:04:52,223
And I gave him my demo tape.
1308
01:04:52,306 --> 01:04:55,685
His wife signed me for $7,000.
1309
01:04:55,768 --> 01:04:57,395
I was able to get double racks.
1310
01:04:57,478 --> 01:05:01,023
I was up to making that money.
I was ballin'. I was ballin'!
1311
01:05:01,107 --> 01:05:02,567
You know... [laughs]
1312
01:05:02,650 --> 01:05:04,485
Yeah. That was the beginning for me.
1313
01:05:06,279 --> 01:05:07,780
["Stomp" by Kirk Franklin playing]
1314
01:05:07,863 --> 01:05:08,990
♪ Whoo! ♪
1315
01:05:10,616 --> 01:05:14,078
In the '90s, Kirk Franklin
came out with "Stomp."
1316
01:05:14,161 --> 01:05:15,329
♪ GP ♪
1317
01:05:15,413 --> 01:05:17,498
♪ Lately, I've been going
through some things ♪
1318
01:05:17,582 --> 01:05:19,542
♪ That's really got me down ♪
1319
01:05:19,625 --> 01:05:24,005
I mean, they play "Stomp" in the clubs,
like, in the club-club.
1320
01:05:24,088 --> 01:05:25,965
I'm watching people dancing to "Stomp"
1321
01:05:26,048 --> 01:05:29,719
in the way I know you ain't even supposed
to be dancing to "Stomp."
1322
01:05:29,802 --> 01:05:32,179
I'm like, "You can't dance
like that to this song."
1323
01:05:32,263 --> 01:05:34,599
[Thompson] "Stomp" was a hit
on mainstream radio.
1324
01:05:34,682 --> 01:05:39,353
And people hear it on The Tonight Show
and places like that.
1325
01:05:39,437 --> 01:05:43,316
[Franklin] By this time,
Cheryl "Salt" James from Salt-N-Pepa,
1326
01:05:43,399 --> 01:05:44,692
she and I became good friends
1327
01:05:44,775 --> 01:05:47,403
'cause she was really kind of growing
in her Christian faith.
1328
01:05:47,486 --> 01:05:50,364
And I sent her the record,
and she went bananas.
1329
01:05:50,448 --> 01:05:53,909
Not only did she do it,
but she flew to Dallas to do her rap.
1330
01:05:53,993 --> 01:05:54,994
♪ Can ya help me? ♪
1331
01:05:55,077 --> 01:05:56,221
♪ When I think about the goodness ♪
1332
01:05:56,245 --> 01:05:57,598
- ? And the fullness of God?
- ? Come on?
1333
01:05:57,622 --> 01:05:58,623
♪ Make me thankful ♪
1334
01:05:58,706 --> 01:05:59,891
♪ Pity the hateful, I'm grateful ♪
1335
01:05:59,915 --> 01:06:01,626
♪ The Lord brought me
through this far ♪
1336
01:06:01,709 --> 01:06:02,769
♪ Tryin' to be cute when I praise Him ♪
1337
01:06:02,793 --> 01:06:03,794
♪ Raise 'em high... ♪
1338
01:06:03,878 --> 01:06:09,300
I believe that "Stomp" became big
in the Christian community
1339
01:06:09,383 --> 01:06:12,136
because it became big in pop culture.
1340
01:06:12,219 --> 01:06:14,722
"Stomp" became so big in popular culture
1341
01:06:14,805 --> 01:06:18,017
that it had to be acknowledged
1342
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:20,269
by the white Christian community.
1343
01:06:20,353 --> 01:06:22,647
[Thompson] Some people liked
to think of that
1344
01:06:22,730 --> 01:06:27,318
as being a moment when CCM music
got a little bit more integrated.
1345
01:06:27,401 --> 01:06:31,364
You're too late to the party to claim
that you had anything to do with "Stomp."
1346
01:06:31,447 --> 01:06:33,658
I'm sorry, CCM.
That's not your song.
1347
01:06:33,741 --> 01:06:36,869
That's Kirk going to the mainstream
and you guys playing catch-up.
1348
01:06:36,952 --> 01:06:39,288
It was an uprising. It was a problem.
1349
01:06:39,372 --> 01:06:42,583
It was so much drama in the church, man.
1350
01:06:42,667 --> 01:06:45,044
It was a lot of negative feedback.
1351
01:06:45,127 --> 01:06:46,170
♪ Stomp. ♪
1352
01:06:49,548 --> 01:06:53,719
[Franklin] I remember going
to a church conference,
1353
01:06:53,803 --> 01:06:58,432
and there were about 60,000,
70,00 0 people at this event.
1354
01:06:58,516 --> 01:07:03,521
There was a pastor whose sermon
was basically against me.
1355
01:07:05,147 --> 01:07:09,026
I remember going upstairs
to my hotel room, sitting on the floor.
1356
01:07:09,110 --> 01:07:12,613
"Man, God, I didn't ask for this.
I didn't ask to be criticized.
1357
01:07:12,697 --> 01:07:13,948
I just wanna be liked."
1358
01:07:14,031 --> 01:07:16,033
I just remember being very upset at God.
1359
01:07:17,201 --> 01:07:19,620
And the Lord spoke to my heart.
1360
01:07:19,704 --> 01:07:24,333
"If they don't have nail prints
in their hand,
1361
01:07:24,417 --> 01:07:27,753
or scars on their forehead,
1362
01:07:27,837 --> 01:07:29,630
you owe them no explanation."
1363
01:07:30,881 --> 01:07:33,592
I think it is one of the tragedies
of our nation,
1364
01:07:33,676 --> 01:07:37,596
one of the shameful tragedies
that 11 o'clock on Sunday morning
1365
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,682
is one of the most segregated hours,
1366
01:07:39,765 --> 01:07:44,019
if not the most segregated hour
in Christian America.
1367
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:47,440
[Thompson] There was a chance
for CCM music
1368
01:07:47,523 --> 01:07:49,692
to have been integrated from day one,
1369
01:07:49,775 --> 01:07:51,444
'cause they had Andrae Crouch.
1370
01:07:51,527 --> 01:07:53,696
CCM music could've said,
"You know what?
1371
01:07:53,779 --> 01:07:56,073
We're not gonna be white and Black gospel.
1372
01:07:56,157 --> 01:07:57,950
We're gonna be this."
1373
01:07:58,033 --> 01:08:01,912
[Franklin] If people consider me a bridge,
1374
01:08:01,996 --> 01:08:03,873
then he was a freakin' city.
1375
01:08:03,956 --> 01:08:07,835
[Thompson] Why is it
that there's only one Andrae Crouch?
1376
01:08:07,918 --> 01:08:09,795
And as Christian music has evolved,
1377
01:08:09,879 --> 01:08:12,715
it's become more and more segregated.
1378
01:08:12,798 --> 01:08:15,259
Didn't have to be that way.
We had a role model.
1379
01:08:17,219 --> 01:08:18,846
[Lecrae] And then you go to CCM
1380
01:08:18,929 --> 01:08:21,599
and it's like, you don't sing,
you don't have a guitar.
1381
01:08:21,682 --> 01:08:24,769
You're a Black dude,
so you're also a minority,
1382
01:08:24,852 --> 01:08:27,396
so you don't quite fit there.
And then I'd go to hip-hop,
1383
01:08:27,480 --> 01:08:30,983
and it's like, you do rap, you do got
the visible tattoos.
1384
01:08:31,066 --> 01:08:34,278
But you're talking about God
and faith and love and...
1385
01:08:34,361 --> 01:08:36,280
It's like, where do I belong?
1386
01:08:36,363 --> 01:08:39,116
I don't have a home. I'm just in exile.
1387
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:43,037
[Mandisa] The tension that I feel often
is, I grew up hearing,
1388
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,848
"Why are you talking like a white girl?"
And I'm not!
1389
01:08:44,872 --> 01:08:46,248
It's how I was raised.
1390
01:08:46,332 --> 01:08:50,294
Then I hear things like,
"Well, she's too gospel,"
1391
01:08:50,377 --> 01:08:51,378
or, "It's too Black."
1392
01:08:51,462 --> 01:08:53,422
And, gosh, when you hear that
as a Black woman,
1393
01:08:53,506 --> 01:08:56,133
you just start to think, "I'm not enough
or I'm not good enough."
1394
01:08:57,134 --> 01:09:01,430
[Franklin] You wanna find a loving way
to be able to have
1395
01:09:01,514 --> 01:09:04,517
these conversations
about racial reconciliation.
1396
01:09:05,559 --> 01:09:09,313
There's still not a tangible plan
to address
1397
01:09:09,396 --> 01:09:13,067
this separation
between these two worlds.
1398
01:09:13,150 --> 01:09:16,445
And until that is addressed,
1399
01:09:16,529 --> 01:09:20,908
we will never find the healing
that is really needed for this country.
1400
01:09:21,909 --> 01:09:25,788
[Lecrae] If the church truly
believes that we are one body,
1401
01:09:25,871 --> 01:09:29,583
the church will tear down
those racial divides.
1402
01:09:32,044 --> 01:09:35,172
[Tait] 17 years ago,
I was in Tracy City, Tennessee,
1403
01:09:35,256 --> 01:09:37,341
and we stopped off at this little store.
1404
01:09:37,424 --> 01:09:41,345
I get to the counter, guy said, uh,
"Is that all you want, boy?"
1405
01:09:41,428 --> 01:09:42,680
And I go, "Yeah, that's it."
1406
01:09:42,763 --> 01:09:44,640
He goes, "Man,
it's getting dark around here.
1407
01:09:44,723 --> 01:09:47,601
You better get outta here
'cause it's getting dark here, son.
1408
01:09:47,685 --> 01:09:49,412
We'll hang you.
We'll hang you around here, boy,
1409
01:09:49,436 --> 01:09:50,796
you don't get outta here by dark."
1410
01:09:51,856 --> 01:09:54,275
I said, "You gonna hang me
in the 21st century?
1411
01:09:54,358 --> 01:09:55,818
In 2 0 03, you gonna hang me?"
1412
01:09:55,901 --> 01:09:58,529
He says, "Yeah, we'll hang you,
buddy boy. After dark."
1413
01:09:58,612 --> 01:10:00,614
[tense music playing]
1414
01:10:02,324 --> 01:10:06,537
Think about my forefathers,
the Blacks that had no voice.
1415
01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:08,831
And here I am, a guy that's made it,
1416
01:10:08,914 --> 01:10:10,958
I've made money,
I've got Grammy Awards,
1417
01:10:11,041 --> 01:10:13,085
I've made music,
I've been successful.
1418
01:10:13,168 --> 01:10:16,171
And that one comment,
in that one moment,
1419
01:10:16,255 --> 01:10:18,507
in that one town, in that one minute,
1420
01:10:18,591 --> 01:10:21,135
made me feel less than...
less than human.
1421
01:10:21,218 --> 01:10:24,805
And it hit me like a truck
loaded with steel.
1422
01:10:25,806 --> 01:10:30,728
Healing will never start until the healing
begins where the hurt is.
1423
01:10:30,811 --> 01:10:33,230
We've got to be on the same page.
1424
01:10:33,314 --> 01:10:36,108
[Franklin] If we are
the light of the world,
1425
01:10:36,191 --> 01:10:38,819
no wonder why the world is so dark...
1426
01:10:40,404 --> 01:10:43,115
because our light is fragmented.
1427
01:10:44,116 --> 01:10:47,870
[Tait] Kirk always had an interest
in race reconciliation.
1428
01:10:47,953 --> 01:10:49,163
He speaks about it from stage.
1429
01:10:49,246 --> 01:10:52,207
I'd rather have Kirk say something
that's gonna change
1430
01:10:52,291 --> 01:10:55,377
the course of some kid watching
or an adult watching,
1431
01:10:55,461 --> 01:10:56,754
'cause he's speaking truth
1432
01:10:56,837 --> 01:11:00,049
about something that needs
to be said by a man of color.
1433
01:11:00,132 --> 01:11:03,594
[Franklin] I wanna say
something to everyone
1434
01:11:03,677 --> 01:11:05,471
in the spirit of humility.
1435
01:11:06,472 --> 01:11:10,684
There's chaos and calamity
in the world.
1436
01:11:11,727 --> 01:11:15,022
And there's so much hurt and distrust.
1437
01:11:16,023 --> 01:11:19,860
And I have a lot of friends in this room
of many different shades of colors
1438
01:11:19,944 --> 01:11:22,696
that I've walked our life
for the last 23 years with.
1439
01:11:24,281 --> 01:11:27,326
When we say something,
we wanna bring it together.
1440
01:11:29,244 --> 01:11:33,082
When police are killed,
we need to say something.
1441
01:11:33,165 --> 01:11:36,752
When Black boys are killed,
we need to say something.
1442
01:11:37,753 --> 01:11:41,215
We have the spirit of redemption
when we speak.
1443
01:11:41,298 --> 01:11:43,509
And when we don't say something,
1444
01:11:43,592 --> 01:11:45,552
we're saying something.
1445
01:11:45,636 --> 01:11:48,973
At our concerts and our churches,
1446
01:11:49,056 --> 01:11:51,100
I beg of you,
1447
01:11:51,183 --> 01:11:55,020
let's ask the people that we are
accountable to stand in front of
1448
01:11:55,104 --> 01:11:58,524
to pray with us for racial healing.
1449
01:11:59,525 --> 01:12:01,276
Let's don't stay silent on it.
1450
01:12:02,277 --> 01:12:05,280
[somber music playing]
1451
01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:17,543
[soft piano music playing]
1452
01:12:22,047 --> 01:12:24,216
- ? Pray for me?
- [audience cheers]
1453
01:12:24,299 --> 01:12:26,802
[audience member] Yeah! Pray.
1454
01:12:26,885 --> 01:12:31,724
♪ I'm afraid that I'm about
to lose it all ♪
1455
01:12:32,850 --> 01:12:34,130
[audience member]
Thank you, God!
1456
01:12:39,314 --> 01:12:40,983
♪ Pray for me ♪
1457
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:49,616
♪ I don't need gravity
for tears to fall ♪
1458
01:12:53,245 --> 01:12:56,498
I think Christian artists
versus country, rock, pop
1459
01:12:56,582 --> 01:13:00,210
face the same challenges,
1460
01:13:00,294 --> 01:13:02,796
but their audience is different.
1461
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,507
This is gonna sound really strange,
1462
01:13:05,591 --> 01:13:08,969
but the country audience, the pop audience
1463
01:13:09,053 --> 01:13:10,888
is more forgiving.
1464
01:13:15,934 --> 01:13:17,519
[Smith] If there's anything dark,
1465
01:13:17,603 --> 01:13:19,063
it's how judgmental we've been.
1466
01:13:19,146 --> 01:13:21,273
You just feel like, "Where's the love?"
1467
01:13:21,356 --> 01:13:24,151
What you did at the BET Awards
was nothing but a sham before God.
1468
01:13:24,234 --> 01:13:26,320
Yeah, let's open up
the Word of God together
1469
01:13:26,403 --> 01:13:29,448
and let's break the Word like the Word
says, "Iron sharpens iron."
1470
01:13:29,531 --> 01:13:31,909
- Okay.
- And let's open up the text. Fair?
1471
01:13:31,992 --> 01:13:33,911
I'm not gonna shake your hand, sir.
1472
01:13:33,994 --> 01:13:37,539
Amy Grant committed rebellion
by divorcing her husband.
1473
01:13:37,623 --> 01:13:41,085
And Vince Gill committed rebellion
by divorcing his wife.
1474
01:13:41,168 --> 01:13:43,754
And they both got married
to each other one year later.
1475
01:13:43,837 --> 01:13:44,880
That's witchcraft.
1476
01:13:46,673 --> 01:13:49,968
[Styll] With each decade, Amy's career
just continued to rise.
1477
01:13:50,052 --> 01:13:54,473
And by the 2000s, she had sold something
like 30 million albums.
1478
01:13:54,556 --> 01:13:59,019
And she became a cultural icon,
both inside the church and out.
1479
01:13:59,103 --> 01:14:01,438
The Christian community
felt like they owned Amy.
1480
01:14:01,522 --> 01:14:04,149
So for her marriage to fail,
for her to have
1481
01:14:04,233 --> 01:14:08,821
what they considered a moral failing,
was a bridge too far for some people.
1482
01:14:09,822 --> 01:14:13,075
When you met, you both were married
to other people. What happened?
1483
01:14:13,158 --> 01:14:17,579
[Degarmo] Divorce is painful
for anybody that has to face it,
1484
01:14:17,663 --> 01:14:20,958
especially if you're a Christian music
darling, like Amy Grant.
1485
01:14:21,041 --> 01:14:25,462
People were so quick to assume the worst
when Amy got remarried to Vince,
1486
01:14:25,546 --> 01:14:29,883
never mind the fact that today
they've been married for 2 0 years.
1487
01:14:29,967 --> 01:14:31,593
It was hard for me to watch.
1488
01:14:34,138 --> 01:14:36,098
You have a great friend that hurts,
you hurt, too.
1489
01:14:36,932 --> 01:14:39,518
[Styll] It hurt her career.
1490
01:14:39,601 --> 01:14:42,062
A lot of stations took her off the air.
1491
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:46,567
I'm just remembering
this drawing that I did.
1492
01:14:46,650 --> 01:14:51,280
I used to, all the time,
draw cabins and little getaways.
1493
01:14:51,363 --> 01:14:54,449
And I had drawn one,
and it was completely overgrown,
1494
01:14:54,533 --> 01:14:56,618
like, you couldn't even
find the path to it.
1495
01:14:56,702 --> 01:15:00,581
And I think somewhere in there,
the cabin was probably me.
1496
01:15:00,664 --> 01:15:02,082
You lose yourself.
1497
01:15:02,166 --> 01:15:04,084
You lose your way,
you lose your integrity.
1498
01:15:04,168 --> 01:15:09,173
You find that you have lied,
you've let people down.
1499
01:15:09,256 --> 01:15:11,717
I took this drawing, and I wrote,
1500
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:16,763
"I think I have forfeited every right
that I ever had to be on a stage."
1501
01:15:17,806 --> 01:15:19,808
[Chaz Corzine] We were
very protective of Amy,
1502
01:15:19,892 --> 01:15:23,604
making sure that she didn't get blindsided
by some interview.
1503
01:15:23,687 --> 01:15:26,356
I do remember that one slipped through.
1504
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:27,941
Guy turned on his tape recorder
1505
01:15:28,025 --> 01:15:29,943
and I think his opening statement
was like,
1506
01:15:30,027 --> 01:15:32,946
"You're deceitful, you're awful,
you're a liar, you're horrible."
1507
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:36,366
And before I could even say anything,
Amy looked at him and said,
1508
01:15:36,450 --> 01:15:39,620
"Oh, I'm so much worse
than you think I am.
1509
01:15:39,703 --> 01:15:41,663
But by the grace of God
I get up every day...
1510
01:15:43,123 --> 01:15:45,042
and put one foot in front of the other."
1511
01:15:46,043 --> 01:15:49,838
There was a tour being discussed
between three artists.
1512
01:15:49,922 --> 01:15:51,924
I was one of them.
1513
01:15:52,007 --> 01:15:56,053
I'd gone through a divorce.
People were not playing my music.
1514
01:15:56,136 --> 01:15:58,764
When the managers
put this tour together,
1515
01:15:58,847 --> 01:16:01,767
they were gonna do a big split
between the two other artists.
1516
01:16:01,850 --> 01:16:06,021
But because I was
kind of damaged goods,
1517
01:16:06,104 --> 01:16:09,316
I was gonna get a tiny bit.
1518
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:12,819
And it really made me angry.
1519
01:16:12,903 --> 01:16:15,864
I just said, "I'm not doing that tour."
1520
01:16:15,948 --> 01:16:17,950
And so I pulled out.
1521
01:16:18,033 --> 01:16:20,994
And the next thing I did, I went to Bart
and said, "I'll open for you."
1522
01:16:21,078 --> 01:16:24,665
[Millard] Amy got a divorce and people
were pulling her albums off shelves.
1523
01:16:24,748 --> 01:16:27,685
Radio stations were telling, so, not only
were they not gonna play her music,
1524
01:16:27,709 --> 01:16:29,920
but they may not play ours
because of the tour.
1525
01:16:30,003 --> 01:16:33,507
And I remember when Amy caught wind
of this possibly hurting us,
1526
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:35,550
she immediately tried
to pull out of the tour.
1527
01:16:35,634 --> 01:16:37,445
She's like, "I'm not doing this
to you. I'm out."
1528
01:16:37,469 --> 01:16:39,805
I was angry at everyone,
1529
01:16:39,888 --> 01:16:43,684
'cause this is like a big sister.
This is like my hero.
1530
01:16:43,767 --> 01:16:46,895
I remember telling her, saying, "Amy,
there's no way we're letting you leave.
1531
01:16:46,979 --> 01:16:50,774
Because if these people pull our tickets
or pull our songs or don't come,
1532
01:16:50,857 --> 01:16:54,236
they're the people I don't want to be
at my show or play my music
1533
01:16:54,319 --> 01:16:57,155
or sell my music, in the first place.
I don't care."
1534
01:16:57,239 --> 01:16:59,658
And she just started weeping.
1535
01:16:59,741 --> 01:17:01,052
Then it was kind of a cry fest for me.
1536
01:17:01,076 --> 01:17:03,756
Like, "Man, you don't understand
everything you've done in my life."
1537
01:17:09,835 --> 01:17:12,879
[Styll] Russ Taff had a great career,
1538
01:17:12,963 --> 01:17:16,174
and put out some of the best albums
by an individual male artist
1539
01:17:16,258 --> 01:17:18,427
that have ever been put out
in Christian music.
1540
01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:22,055
Super talented.
But his dad was an alcoholic,
1541
01:17:22,139 --> 01:17:23,765
and it turns out he was an alcoholic.
1542
01:17:23,849 --> 01:17:26,143
[Russ Taff] It was
a very chaotic childhood,
1543
01:17:26,226 --> 01:17:28,353
very traumatic childhood with Dad
1544
01:17:28,437 --> 01:17:31,481
who was a Pentecostal preacher,
but also an alcoholic.
1545
01:17:31,565 --> 01:17:33,191
I got my humor from him.
1546
01:17:33,275 --> 01:17:35,736
I got my charisma from him.
1547
01:17:35,819 --> 01:17:37,904
But he also wrecked my life.
1548
01:17:38,905 --> 01:17:43,201
Music was the thing that held me
through all those crazy years.
1549
01:17:43,285 --> 01:17:46,079
Mama taught me the song, and I sang it.
1550
01:17:46,163 --> 01:17:48,623
One of my first songs I sang is,
1551
01:17:48,707 --> 01:17:50,542
[voice breaks] "I need no..." I'm sorry.
1552
01:17:54,129 --> 01:17:56,465
"I need no mansion here below
1553
01:17:59,217 --> 01:18:00,552
Jesus said I could go
1554
01:18:01,845 --> 01:18:04,890
To a home beyond
the clouds not made by man
1555
01:18:06,308 --> 01:18:08,018
Won't you come and go along?
1556
01:18:08,101 --> 01:18:10,604
We will sing the sweetest song
1557
01:18:12,564 --> 01:18:14,941
Ever played upon the harps
in gloryland."
1558
01:18:16,568 --> 01:18:20,447
So even as a child,
I was looking outside myself
1559
01:18:20,530 --> 01:18:25,243
for something to fill
that hole on the inside.
1560
01:18:25,327 --> 01:18:28,663
Growing up with the messages, daily,
1561
01:18:28,747 --> 01:18:30,874
"You're not worth the bullet
to shoot yourself with"
1562
01:18:30,957 --> 01:18:34,294
and, "You'll never amount to anything."
1563
01:18:35,295 --> 01:18:37,172
And after a while, you start believing it.
1564
01:18:37,255 --> 01:18:40,926
I would go down to the church after 1 0:30
1565
01:18:41,009 --> 01:18:43,512
and feel my way
to the front of the church.
1566
01:18:43,595 --> 01:18:45,764
There's a little lamp
at the front of the church
1567
01:18:45,847 --> 01:18:49,059
where I could turn a little light on.
1568
01:18:49,142 --> 01:18:50,894
And I would sit there,
1569
01:18:50,977 --> 01:18:54,773
kneel at the altar,
sit there, play my guitar,
1570
01:18:54,856 --> 01:18:56,441
and just talk to Jesus.
1571
01:18:56,525 --> 01:19:00,112
Somebody told me He was a friend,
and I could talk to Him.
1572
01:19:00,195 --> 01:19:03,073
And I would tell Jesus
how scared I was.
1573
01:19:03,156 --> 01:19:06,660
I didn't know a lot about Him.
There was no grace.
1574
01:19:06,743 --> 01:19:09,871
The only Jesus I knew was...
1575
01:19:09,955 --> 01:19:12,916
I was hanging over
by a thread, over Hell.
1576
01:19:12,999 --> 01:19:16,753
It was all based around guilt.
And so I had that Jesus.
1577
01:19:16,837 --> 01:19:20,549
But then there was that Jesus that I would
go down to church late at night...
1578
01:19:25,429 --> 01:19:27,431
and tell Him how scared I was.
1579
01:19:29,349 --> 01:19:32,185
That was my only safe place.
1580
01:19:33,186 --> 01:19:35,355
That and music.
1581
01:19:36,398 --> 01:19:40,402
You're carrying all this angst,
all of this chaos in your own head.
1582
01:19:41,445 --> 01:19:43,989
After my first solo record,
1583
01:19:44,072 --> 01:19:46,199
I had kind of started with the alcohol.
1584
01:19:46,283 --> 01:19:50,120
There's no chaos anymore.
All of those voices got quiet.
1585
01:19:51,121 --> 01:19:55,333
My deal was, I would never walk on stage
with alcohol on my breath.
1586
01:19:55,417 --> 01:19:57,127
I would have it in the room
waiting for me,
1587
01:19:57,210 --> 01:20:01,047
because my body demanded
that I have it every day now.
1588
01:20:01,131 --> 01:20:04,634
And it started this journey to Hell.
1589
01:20:04,718 --> 01:20:08,847
Music starts going further, further,
further and further away.
1590
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:11,558
And it's not that comfort
that it used to be.
1591
01:20:11,641 --> 01:20:15,395
It's not that wonderful place
that I could fellowship with God,
1592
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,063
because I hated myself.
1593
01:20:18,648 --> 01:20:21,610
Tori told me, "I'm not gonna live
with you anymore like this.
1594
01:20:21,693 --> 01:20:23,195
I've had it. I'm done."
1595
01:20:24,196 --> 01:20:27,491
I walked into this room
and there were 17 people.
1596
01:20:27,574 --> 01:20:30,118
And I knew every one of 'em closely.
1597
01:20:30,202 --> 01:20:33,205
And each one of 'em
went around the room,
1598
01:20:33,288 --> 01:20:34,998
and told me how they loved me.
1599
01:20:35,999 --> 01:20:37,918
And told me, "We're gonna lose you.
1600
01:20:38,001 --> 01:20:39,961
Don't go down this road."
1601
01:20:40,045 --> 01:20:42,756
I can remember afterwards,
1602
01:20:42,839 --> 01:20:47,427
the first thing I wanted to do was
go to him and say, "Are you all right?"
1603
01:20:47,511 --> 01:20:51,806
And I guess I was
kind of half-apologizing for it.
1604
01:20:51,890 --> 01:20:54,392
He said, "Oh, no," he said, "I understand
what's going on."
1605
01:20:54,476 --> 01:20:57,020
I said, "Well, I just want you
to know I'm here.
1606
01:20:57,103 --> 01:20:59,731
I'm your friend. And I love you."
1607
01:21:00,732 --> 01:21:04,903
[Styll] We were preparing to do a cover
story on Russ in the magazine.
1608
01:21:04,986 --> 01:21:06,746
And he said, "So I got
somethin' to tell ya."
1609
01:21:07,489 --> 01:21:09,950
And he told me
about his substance abuse problems.
1610
01:21:10,033 --> 01:21:11,034
He said, "So...
1611
01:21:11,117 --> 01:21:15,288
if you wanna not proceed with this cover
story, I will understand."
1612
01:21:15,372 --> 01:21:17,999
I said... [scoffs, chuckles]
1613
01:21:18,083 --> 01:21:20,877
"If I were to take everybody
out of the magazine
1614
01:21:20,961 --> 01:21:25,048
who had some sin problem in their life,
we'd publish blank paper."
1615
01:21:28,218 --> 01:21:32,514
I just love anybody
who embraces their past,
1616
01:21:32,597 --> 01:21:33,848
good and bad.
1617
01:21:33,932 --> 01:21:36,643
Praise and worship writers,
I always kid 'em, I say,
1618
01:21:36,726 --> 01:21:40,021
"You just wanna rip off some of David's
positive lines,"
1619
01:21:40,105 --> 01:21:42,440
which is about 10 or 15% of the Psalms.
1620
01:21:42,524 --> 01:21:46,403
The rest is, "Oh, God,
where are you?" [laughs]
1621
01:21:46,486 --> 01:21:48,697
You know, "My heart is breaking."
1622
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,454
[reporter] Christian rapper TobyMac's
oldest son, Truett Foster McKeehan,
1623
01:21:56,538 --> 01:21:58,707
who was an aspiring rapper himself,
1624
01:21:58,790 --> 01:22:01,710
died unexpectedly on October 21st.,
1625
01:22:01,793 --> 01:22:04,796
Davidson County Medical
Examiner's Office confirmed.
1626
01:22:04,879 --> 01:22:08,592
Medics responded to a cardiac arrest
at Truett's home.
1627
01:22:09,676 --> 01:22:10,969
He was 21.
1628
01:22:11,052 --> 01:22:13,054
[sad music playing]
1629
01:22:15,098 --> 01:22:18,685
Walking through losing True...
1630
01:22:21,771 --> 01:22:23,440
every day is different.
1631
01:22:23,523 --> 01:22:28,445
Some days... I'm determined
to build on the rock.
1632
01:22:30,030 --> 01:22:32,240
And other days, I'm just wiped out...
1633
01:22:33,992 --> 01:22:37,621
by thoughts and memories and regrets.
1634
01:22:39,372 --> 01:22:42,584
There's only two ways. Either you don't
believe or you do, at this point, for me.
1635
01:22:42,667 --> 01:22:45,378
And, if I do believe,
1636
01:22:45,462 --> 01:22:47,756
I have to believe
in a God that's good.
1637
01:22:49,841 --> 01:22:52,177
So how can I get to the point
1638
01:22:52,260 --> 01:22:56,431
where I believe that that's good
for my son, somehow,
1639
01:22:56,514 --> 01:22:57,849
and it's good for me?
1640
01:22:58,933 --> 01:22:59,934
That's the fight.
1641
01:23:00,018 --> 01:23:03,021
[sad music continues]
1642
01:23:27,671 --> 01:23:30,840
[Styll] I think at a level,
we who are the audience
1643
01:23:30,924 --> 01:23:34,302
want these people
we look up to as artists,
1644
01:23:34,386 --> 01:23:36,471
to be somehow better than us.
1645
01:23:36,554 --> 01:23:39,224
But when one of them falls,
1646
01:23:39,307 --> 01:23:41,559
it reminds us of our own fallibility.
1647
01:23:41,643 --> 01:23:44,813
You know, I'll never forget
Jerry Falwell asking me,
1648
01:23:44,896 --> 01:23:49,192
"I've heard some stories about
the lifestyles of some of the artists.
1649
01:23:49,275 --> 01:23:50,944
Are they true?"
1650
01:23:51,027 --> 01:23:52,404
I said, "Probably are."
1651
01:23:52,487 --> 01:23:56,491
I said, "Jerry, if you're waiting for me
1652
01:23:56,574 --> 01:24:01,329
to get a roomful of unflawed artists...
1653
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,042
it's not gonna happen.
1654
01:24:06,126 --> 01:24:08,545
These are human beings
1655
01:24:08,628 --> 01:24:11,256
who have been gifted
in a special kind of a way
1656
01:24:11,339 --> 01:24:14,426
and they're trying to work through it
in these earthly bodies,
1657
01:24:14,509 --> 01:24:17,220
and sometimes they make mistakes."
1658
01:24:18,221 --> 01:24:21,224
[pensive music playing ]
1659
01:24:23,893 --> 01:24:26,688
[Styll] Artists become artists
for a reason.
1660
01:24:26,771 --> 01:24:30,608
They have something to say and they say it
in a unique and special way.
1661
01:24:30,692 --> 01:24:32,360
And that's why we love them.
1662
01:24:32,444 --> 01:24:35,530
But we have to remember,
these artists are humans, too.
1663
01:24:35,613 --> 01:24:38,408
They feel things as we do,
1664
01:24:38,491 --> 01:24:40,201
maybe even more deeply than we do.
1665
01:24:40,285 --> 01:24:43,496
So when they have loss,
they really feel that loss.
1666
01:24:43,580 --> 01:24:47,041
When they have grief,
it's a very deep grief.
1667
01:24:47,125 --> 01:24:49,335
[Grant] Whoever's struggling the hardest,
1668
01:24:49,419 --> 01:24:53,840
whoever's way out on a limb,
whatever's going on,
1669
01:24:53,923 --> 01:24:56,009
I'm just gonna trust that
that is the sheep
1670
01:24:56,092 --> 01:24:58,803
that the shepherd left for,
1671
01:24:58,887 --> 01:25:00,555
because I have been that sheep.
1672
01:25:04,434 --> 01:25:06,019
[reporter] Contemporary Christian music
1673
01:25:06,102 --> 01:25:08,354
has become
a billion-dollar-a-year business.
1674
01:25:08,438 --> 01:25:11,149
Small Christian record companies
are being bought up
1675
01:25:11,232 --> 01:25:13,067
by the giants of the recording industry.
1676
01:25:14,402 --> 01:25:17,405
The fascinating part about the 2000s is,
1677
01:25:17,489 --> 01:25:19,324
you see the peak of the music industry.
1678
01:25:20,325 --> 01:25:22,243
Peak music industry sales,
1679
01:25:22,327 --> 01:25:26,247
money, cultural influence, off the chart.
1680
01:25:26,331 --> 01:25:29,751
[Taylor] When Christian music first
started out, it really was about artists
1681
01:25:29,834 --> 01:25:33,254
just wanting to minister to people
through their music.
1682
01:25:33,338 --> 01:25:36,841
But when money gets involved,
it's really hard to keep that focus.
1683
01:25:38,384 --> 01:25:41,805
[Thompson] So now the industry
deserves to be called "the industry."
1684
01:25:41,888 --> 01:25:45,266
But the problem is, I'm not sure
that as it grows into that thing,
1685
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:49,979
it's really gonna retain a whole lot
of the DNA of what it started as.
1686
01:25:50,063 --> 01:25:53,608
It's gonna kind of become
something else, for better or worse.
1687
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:58,238
There were a lot of people
that felt like we'd lost our way.
1688
01:25:59,239 --> 01:26:00,490
It's all about celebrity.
1689
01:26:00,573 --> 01:26:02,534
It just seemed to be a lot of egos,
1690
01:26:02,617 --> 01:26:04,869
and there seemed to be
a lot of, who's number one,
1691
01:26:04,953 --> 01:26:07,038
and, who'd sell the most records,
1692
01:26:07,121 --> 01:26:08,832
and it feels like a little showbiz.
1693
01:26:08,915 --> 01:26:11,125
People said, you know,
"I think we've lost our way.
1694
01:26:11,209 --> 01:26:14,170
We need something
to help us refocus."
1695
01:26:17,340 --> 01:26:19,342
[piano music playing]
1696
01:26:21,386 --> 01:26:23,388
Okay, so here's where I just feel like
1697
01:26:23,471 --> 01:26:26,558
that this has gotta be a component
of what we stand for and what we believe.
1698
01:26:27,934 --> 01:26:29,769
"I can't stand your religious meetings.
1699
01:26:29,853 --> 01:26:32,605
I'm fed up with your conferences
and conventions.
1700
01:26:32,689 --> 01:26:35,775
I want nothing to do
with your religion projects,
1701
01:26:35,859 --> 01:26:37,360
your pretentious slogans and goals.
1702
01:26:37,443 --> 01:26:40,196
I'm sick of your fundraising schemes,
1703
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,532
your public relations and image-making.
1704
01:26:42,615 --> 01:26:46,619
I've had all I can take
of your noisy ego music."
1705
01:26:46,703 --> 01:26:48,621
That got my attention.
1706
01:26:48,705 --> 01:26:50,999
"When was the last time
you sang to me?
1707
01:26:51,082 --> 01:26:52,542
Do you know what I want?
1708
01:26:52,625 --> 01:26:54,794
I want justice, oceans of it.
1709
01:26:54,878 --> 01:26:57,255
I want fairness, rivers of it.
1710
01:26:57,338 --> 01:27:00,675
That's all I want. That's all I want."
1711
01:27:06,514 --> 01:27:07,891
I'll never forget it.
1712
01:27:07,974 --> 01:27:12,645
It was a night back in early 20 0 1,
and I was dead asleep.
1713
01:27:12,729 --> 01:27:15,398
All of a sudden, I wake up
in the middle of the night.
1714
01:27:16,983 --> 01:27:20,653
And I hear the voice of God
saying to me, "For such a time as this."
1715
01:27:22,071 --> 01:27:24,824
And it felt like God was telling me
to make this album,
1716
01:27:24,908 --> 01:27:26,534
this Worship album.
1717
01:27:26,618 --> 01:27:28,202
And I remember wrestling with God.
1718
01:27:28,286 --> 01:27:30,681
I remember just going, "I'm not doing it.
I'm not gonna do it."
1719
01:27:30,705 --> 01:27:33,249
Because I was working
on these pop songs,
1720
01:27:33,333 --> 01:27:36,002
and worship was not really on my radar.
1721
01:27:36,085 --> 01:27:38,171
And I just blew it off,
and a week or two later,
1722
01:27:38,254 --> 01:27:39,881
I woke up literally wide awake
1723
01:27:39,964 --> 01:27:42,091
and heard these almost audible,
1724
01:27:42,175 --> 01:27:43,885
"For such a time as this."
1725
01:27:43,968 --> 01:27:46,054
[piano music continues]
1726
01:27:46,137 --> 01:27:48,389
I just wrestled with it
and I blew it off,
1727
01:27:48,473 --> 01:27:50,141
and three weeks later
I heard it again,
1728
01:27:50,224 --> 01:27:53,436
in a really, really loud voice,
1729
01:27:53,519 --> 01:27:54,812
"For such a time as this."
1730
01:27:56,689 --> 01:27:59,484
Doggone it. All right.
I'm gonna do it.
1731
01:27:59,567 --> 01:28:01,527
I said, "I'm gonna make
this first worship album."
1732
01:28:02,987 --> 01:28:04,280
I said, "Here's my idea.
1733
01:28:04,364 --> 01:28:07,742
I want every artist who will do it,
to drop their egos at the door,
1734
01:28:07,825 --> 01:28:09,535
and come and be in the choir."
1735
01:28:10,536 --> 01:28:12,705
And so we all went to Lakeland, Florida,
1736
01:28:12,789 --> 01:28:17,001
chartered three private planes
and flew all these people down there.
1737
01:28:17,085 --> 01:28:20,213
Amy, Phillips, Craig and Dean,
Cindy Morgan was there.
1738
01:28:20,296 --> 01:28:22,632
We got halfway through it,
I was just hanging on.
1739
01:28:22,715 --> 01:28:25,301
I was not in charge. [laughs]
1740
01:28:25,385 --> 01:28:29,305
I'm literally... I don't have
the reins in my hand.
1741
01:28:29,389 --> 01:28:30,974
I do not have the reins in my hand.
1742
01:28:34,394 --> 01:28:36,521
[Corzine] The recording
of that record was
1743
01:28:36,604 --> 01:28:40,483
the most powerful concert experience
that I've ever been a part of.
1744
01:28:40,566 --> 01:28:42,485
It was just... Phew.
1745
01:28:42,568 --> 01:28:45,863
Everybody knew we'd captured
something really, really special.
1746
01:28:47,031 --> 01:28:49,409
[Smith] I remember going backstage
1747
01:28:49,492 --> 01:28:51,411
and sitting down with everybody,
1748
01:28:51,494 --> 01:28:53,246
and we all just started to cry.
1749
01:28:55,665 --> 01:28:57,667
It's kind of like,
"What just happened out there?
1750
01:28:59,377 --> 01:29:01,129
What just happened out there?"
1751
01:29:02,839 --> 01:29:07,176
The crazy thing is, is that record
came out on 9/11.
1752
01:29:07,260 --> 01:29:08,886
Slated release for Worship was...
1753
01:29:10,263 --> 01:29:12,056
September 11th, 2001.
1754
01:29:13,057 --> 01:29:14,434
[interviewer speaking]
1755
01:29:16,769 --> 01:29:17,979
I think it was.
1756
01:29:18,062 --> 01:29:23,317
There was something
about that record, 9/11.
1757
01:29:23,401 --> 01:29:25,987
I think it was a go-to for people.
1758
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:28,072
[Smith and choir]
? I'm coming back?
1759
01:29:28,156 --> 01:29:32,702
♪ To the heart of worship ♪
1760
01:29:32,785 --> 01:29:36,122
- ? It's all about you?
- ? It's all about you?
1761
01:29:36,205 --> 01:29:39,917
♪ It's all about you, Jesus ♪
1762
01:29:40,001 --> 01:29:45,465
♪ I'm sorry, Lord,
for the thing I've made it ♪
1763
01:29:45,548 --> 01:29:48,176
♪ But it's all about you ♪
1764
01:29:49,761 --> 01:29:54,223
♪ It's all about you, Jesus ♪
1765
01:29:54,307 --> 01:29:57,518
[song ends]
1766
01:29:57,602 --> 01:29:59,604
[audience cheering and applauding]
1767
01:30:05,109 --> 01:30:07,779
["Freedom Is Here/Shout Unto God"
by Hillsong United begins]
1768
01:30:07,862 --> 01:30:09,864
[rhythmic clapping]
1769
01:30:14,786 --> 01:30:17,205
[Reeves] You look back
at artists like Larry Norman
1770
01:30:17,288 --> 01:30:19,207
and Sweet Comfort Band
and Rez Band.
1771
01:30:19,290 --> 01:30:21,709
♪ Freedom ♪
1772
01:30:21,793 --> 01:30:24,420
[Reeves] I think you'll find elements of
praise and worship
1773
01:30:24,504 --> 01:30:25,838
even in the Jesus Music.
1774
01:30:25,922 --> 01:30:28,633
[Laurie] It's interesting that the first
wave of Christian music
1775
01:30:28,716 --> 01:30:30,468
was called "Jesus Music."
1776
01:30:30,551 --> 01:30:32,428
That says a lot, right there.
1777
01:30:32,512 --> 01:30:35,348
It was a Jesus movement,
and there was Jesus music.
1778
01:30:35,431 --> 01:30:38,601
And then it became
contemporary Christian music.
1779
01:30:38,684 --> 01:30:42,480
But what I love about worship is,
it's really going back to Jesus.
1780
01:30:43,731 --> 01:30:46,609
[David Crowder] All the Vineyard stuff
and the Calvary Chapel stuff,
1781
01:30:46,692 --> 01:30:49,070
the stuff that laid a foundation,
1782
01:30:49,153 --> 01:30:52,073
it felt like it was building on
what they captured in that moment.
1783
01:30:53,991 --> 01:30:56,470
[Joel Houston] I just thought every church
played music and wrote their own songs.
1784
01:30:56,494 --> 01:31:00,790
But the songs in our church, I guess,
started taking off around the world.
1785
01:31:00,873 --> 01:31:02,726
And I don't know,
there was no grand plan there.
1786
01:31:02,750 --> 01:31:06,838
It was just... there'd be rumors of people
hearing our songs from our church
1787
01:31:06,921 --> 01:31:08,714
being played all over the world.
1788
01:31:10,341 --> 01:31:11,985
These songs were making
their way into churches,
1789
01:31:12,009 --> 01:31:16,430
and it was this real beautiful thing
of, like, this grassroots thing.
1790
01:31:16,514 --> 01:31:18,683
It wasn't publishers and labels
and all these things.
1791
01:31:18,766 --> 01:31:20,768
It was just churches
passing the songs around.
1792
01:31:22,061 --> 01:31:25,398
We had heard about Hillsong
because "Shout to the Lord"
1793
01:31:25,481 --> 01:31:27,650
had become the biggest song
in the church.
1794
01:31:27,733 --> 01:31:28,776
And then all of a sudden,
1795
01:31:28,860 --> 01:31:32,405
we started realizing, there's something
percolating in England.
1796
01:31:32,488 --> 01:31:34,282
This Delirious? band
is on the scene,
1797
01:31:34,365 --> 01:31:36,534
and they're doing something
no one's ever done before.
1798
01:31:36,617 --> 01:31:39,162
They're creating, like, a band sound.
1799
01:31:39,245 --> 01:31:41,747
[Stu G] It was
an extraordinary time of,
1800
01:31:41,831 --> 01:31:44,292
like, this awareness
of the presence of God
1801
01:31:44,375 --> 01:31:45,835
through worship, through music.
1802
01:31:45,918 --> 01:31:48,796
And, you know, it felt like
there was no rules
1803
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,757
on what we could do with our music.
1804
01:31:52,758 --> 01:31:54,343
The sound of the people
1805
01:31:54,427 --> 01:31:57,722
singing over the top of us
was deafening.
1806
01:31:57,805 --> 01:32:00,808
And I remember stepping back
from the microphone
1807
01:32:00,892 --> 01:32:03,853
and just watching these people
sing these songs,
1808
01:32:03,936 --> 01:32:06,564
like, so loud that I didn't have to sing.
1809
01:32:06,647 --> 01:32:09,025
I remember just going, "Okay."
1810
01:32:09,108 --> 01:32:11,194
It just felt, like,
God was like, "I got this."
1811
01:32:11,277 --> 01:32:12,379
[audience]? Voice of triumph?
1812
01:32:12,403 --> 01:32:14,655
♪ We lift Your name up ♪
1813
01:32:14,739 --> 01:32:16,240
♪ We lift Your name up ♪
1814
01:32:16,324 --> 01:32:19,368
♪ Shout unto God
with a voice of triumph ♪
1815
01:32:19,452 --> 01:32:20,953
[Giglio] Where hearts were hungry
1816
01:32:21,037 --> 01:32:22,830
and where people were desperate,
1817
01:32:22,914 --> 01:32:25,041
and where people were tired
of the status quo
1818
01:32:25,124 --> 01:32:27,001
and wanted a fresh encounter with God,
1819
01:32:27,084 --> 01:32:29,837
worship was becoming
this new gateway.
1820
01:32:29,921 --> 01:32:31,339
[rhythmic clapping]
1821
01:32:32,632 --> 01:32:34,634
[audience cheering]
1822
01:32:35,968 --> 01:32:38,971
[soft piano music playing]
1823
01:32:46,938 --> 01:32:49,732
[Giglio] And I remember Chris Tomlin
knocking on my door.
1824
01:32:49,815 --> 01:32:53,653
We were in adjoining rooms in the motel
part of this big campsite south of Dallas.
1825
01:32:53,736 --> 01:32:55,047
And he goes, "Hey, are you still up?"
1826
01:32:55,071 --> 01:32:56,739
And I'm like, "I am now."
1827
01:32:56,822 --> 01:32:59,951
And he says, "Hey, can I play something
for ya?" And he walks in, he's like...
1828
01:33:00,034 --> 01:33:02,745
♪ We fall down ♪
1829
01:33:02,828 --> 01:33:06,415
♪ We lay our crowns ♪
1830
01:33:06,499 --> 01:33:08,584
And I'm just sitting there going,
1831
01:33:08,668 --> 01:33:10,795
"I need to get down
on my knees right now."
1832
01:33:10,878 --> 01:33:13,881
["We Fall Down" by Chris Tomlin continues]
1833
01:33:13,965 --> 01:33:16,509
♪ The greatness of ♪
1834
01:33:16,592 --> 01:33:18,272
[Giglio] You know,
these were not formulas,
1835
01:33:18,302 --> 01:33:20,221
this wasn't a plan, this wasn't business,
1836
01:33:20,304 --> 01:33:21,389
this wasn't record labels.
1837
01:33:21,472 --> 01:33:26,310
This was two guys trying to lead
a couple thousand kids to Jesus at a camp.
1838
01:33:27,311 --> 01:33:30,523
I'll never forget it. He gets
to the end and he says,
1839
01:33:30,606 --> 01:33:33,526
"Do you think maybe we could
do this tomorrow night?
1840
01:33:33,609 --> 01:33:34,777
Sing it here at camp?"
1841
01:33:34,860 --> 01:33:37,238
And I just looked at him
and I said, "Chris,
1842
01:33:37,321 --> 01:33:40,825
people are gonna sing this song
on every continent."
1843
01:33:42,034 --> 01:33:43,494
[Thompson] Chris Tomlin's songs
1844
01:33:43,577 --> 01:33:46,205
are much bigger stars than Chris Tomlin.
1845
01:33:46,289 --> 01:33:48,124
Time magazine did a story
1846
01:33:48,207 --> 01:33:53,629
that more people on Earth
were singing Chris Tomlin songs
1847
01:33:53,713 --> 01:33:55,006
than had ever sung songs
1848
01:33:55,089 --> 01:33:57,800
by one songwriter
in the history of humanity.
1849
01:33:58,801 --> 01:34:00,469
[Laurie] Everyone knows these songs
1850
01:34:00,553 --> 01:34:02,763
and they're singing them with passion.
1851
01:34:02,847 --> 01:34:06,267
Hearing 100,0 00 people
worship together,
1852
01:34:06,350 --> 01:34:08,477
well, that's something to be a part of.
1853
01:34:08,561 --> 01:34:10,080
[Tomlin] I think
that's what the worship music...
1854
01:34:10,104 --> 01:34:11,981
an explosion of it on those early days,
1855
01:34:12,064 --> 01:34:14,942
it became songs that weren't driven
by personality,
1856
01:34:15,026 --> 01:34:17,653
but just like, "Oh, these are
really connecting me to God.
1857
01:34:17,737 --> 01:34:19,172
I don't even know
who wrote these songs.
1858
01:34:19,196 --> 01:34:21,049
Don't know who does them."
It wasn't about that.
1859
01:34:21,073 --> 01:34:23,367
Those early days
were so special in that way.
1860
01:34:26,996 --> 01:34:31,667
Worship music has often times
a movement connected to it.
1861
01:34:31,751 --> 01:34:35,004
And it's bigger
than any one person, or one artist.
1862
01:34:35,087 --> 01:34:38,591
There's nothing more beautiful-sounding
to me than the people of God
1863
01:34:38,674 --> 01:34:42,678
singing the praises of God. I think it's
just, like, something unmatched.
1864
01:34:42,762 --> 01:34:44,847
[Coomes] Here's what I really believe.
1865
01:34:44,930 --> 01:34:47,016
I think there could be another
Jesus Movement today.
1866
01:34:47,099 --> 01:34:51,729
Part of what is the same between
the late '60s into the '70s now,
1867
01:34:51,812 --> 01:34:54,690
people were desperate, hopeless.
1868
01:34:54,774 --> 01:34:58,402
We're a couple generations removed
from the Jesus Movement.
1869
01:34:58,486 --> 01:35:02,782
And I think the faith
doesn't get passed on automatically.
1870
01:35:04,116 --> 01:35:06,077
Every generation's gotta fight for it.
1871
01:35:07,286 --> 01:35:10,498
[Crowder] It was a reflection
of God's breath on the planet.
1872
01:35:10,581 --> 01:35:12,101
You feel like something's in the wind.
1873
01:35:12,625 --> 01:35:15,086
[Degarmo] It just was like a tsunami.
1874
01:35:15,169 --> 01:35:18,589
And I think part of that is the people.
1875
01:35:18,672 --> 01:35:21,467
The people were hungry for it.
1876
01:35:21,550 --> 01:35:24,678
[Kari Jobe] Music could shift
the whole atmosphere of a room
1877
01:35:24,762 --> 01:35:27,848
and help people
get on their face before God.
1878
01:35:27,932 --> 01:35:31,060
See, 'cause we're created for the eternal,
1879
01:35:31,143 --> 01:35:32,686
we're created for the sacred.
1880
01:35:33,687 --> 01:35:37,608
[Houston] Worship, it's an opportunity
to create a space,
1881
01:35:37,691 --> 01:35:40,569
to connect with the deepest
of deeps within us.
1882
01:35:41,695 --> 01:35:43,823
[Tomlin] What we're doing
tonight is eternal.
1883
01:35:43,906 --> 01:35:46,367
And let's not forget,
1884
01:35:46,450 --> 01:35:47,868
music is God's idea.
1885
01:35:49,453 --> 01:35:51,455
Let's not forget where all this came from.
1886
01:35:52,498 --> 01:35:54,226
[Giglio] I think it just was
one of those moments
1887
01:35:54,250 --> 01:35:58,087
where the spirit of God globally was
answering the prayers of the people.
1888
01:35:58,170 --> 01:35:59,773
["Oceans (Where Feet May Fall)
by Hillsong UNITED playing]
1889
01:35:59,797 --> 01:36:01,298
♪ Spirit lead me ♪
1890
01:36:01,382 --> 01:36:05,469
♪ Where my trust is without borders ♪
1891
01:36:05,553 --> 01:36:09,765
♪ Let me walk upon the waters ♪
1892
01:36:09,849 --> 01:36:14,478
[audience]? Wherever You would call me?
1893
01:36:14,562 --> 01:36:16,772
♪ Take me deeper ♪
1894
01:36:16,856 --> 01:36:20,943
♪ Than my feet could ever wander ♪
1895
01:36:21,026 --> 01:36:24,405
♪ And my faith will be made stronger ♪
1896
01:36:24,488 --> 01:36:25,739
[song fades]
1897
01:36:26,991 --> 01:36:29,243
[Matt Redman]
Sometimes when God moves,
1898
01:36:29,326 --> 01:36:31,787
He's accompanied by a soundtrack.
1899
01:36:31,871 --> 01:36:34,748
And so often it's not the soundtrack
that releases the thing,
1900
01:36:34,832 --> 01:36:39,378
it's that God's moving and then
there's this kind of musical outburst
1901
01:36:39,462 --> 01:36:41,464
because of what God's doing.
1902
01:36:45,885 --> 01:36:47,887
♪ Take me deeper than ♪
1903
01:36:47,970 --> 01:36:51,682
♪ My feet could ever wander ♪
1904
01:36:51,765 --> 01:36:55,769
♪ And my faith will be made stronger ♪
1905
01:36:55,853 --> 01:37:00,816
♪ In the presence of my Savior ♪
1906
01:37:01,942 --> 01:37:03,944
[audience cheering]
1907
01:37:04,945 --> 01:37:09,408
[Taya and audience]
? I will call upon Your name?
1908
01:37:12,453 --> 01:37:17,708
♪ Keep my eyes above the waves ♪
1909
01:37:17,791 --> 01:37:19,376
♪ My soul ♪
1910
01:37:19,460 --> 01:37:25,090
♪ My soul will rest in Your embrace ♪
1911
01:37:25,174 --> 01:37:28,219
♪ I am Yours ♪
1912
01:37:29,553 --> 01:37:34,016
♪ And You are mine. ♪
1913
01:37:34,099 --> 01:37:35,100
[audience cheering]
1914
01:37:36,435 --> 01:37:39,438
[sweeping orchestral music playing]
1915
01:37:50,324 --> 01:37:51,825
♪ Our love ♪
1916
01:37:54,328 --> 01:37:57,331
[sweeping orchestral music continues]
1917
01:38:00,584 --> 01:38:05,256
♪ I'm sorry, Lord,
for the thing I've made it ♪
1918
01:38:06,590 --> 01:38:08,050
♪ It's all about You ♪
1919
01:38:09,593 --> 01:38:12,471
♪ It's all about You, Jesus ♪
1920
01:38:16,183 --> 01:38:20,521
There's something about those songs
on that first Worship album,
1921
01:38:20,604 --> 01:38:24,692
and what they say, uh,
like "The Heart of Worship."
1922
01:38:24,775 --> 01:38:28,571
I think was one of the greatest songs
that Matt Redman has written.
1923
01:38:28,654 --> 01:38:30,864
[interviewer speaking]
1924
01:38:30,948 --> 01:38:32,950
Twenty years later.
1925
01:38:33,033 --> 01:38:34,033
Yeah.
1926
01:38:36,412 --> 01:38:39,415
[slow country music playing]
1927
01:38:41,667 --> 01:38:43,395
[Grant] Do you remember
the year we bought this place?
1928
01:38:43,419 --> 01:38:45,254
- [Smith] 1994.
- [Grant] That's right.
1929
01:38:45,337 --> 01:38:49,091
When I first came out and saw it,
I thought, "This is it."
1930
01:38:49,174 --> 01:38:53,178
I certainly couldn't afford to buy
the whole thing and my friend, Amy...
1931
01:38:53,262 --> 01:38:54,263
[both laugh]
1932
01:38:54,346 --> 01:38:56,557
That was back when concert tickets
were really selling.
1933
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:57,516
[both laugh]
1934
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,060
- You were selling some CDs.
- Yeah, yeah.
1935
01:39:00,144 --> 01:39:05,899
[Grant] These cabins, they were moved
here probably in 1896.
1936
01:39:05,983 --> 01:39:10,112
We know that because the date is etched
in a couple of the cornerstones.
1937
01:39:11,113 --> 01:39:14,867
Seven years ago, I wanted the farm
to not just be a personal retreat.
1938
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:18,829
It's beautiful to have a place,
but it's more beautiful if you share it.
1939
01:39:18,912 --> 01:39:23,834
And so, this is our fifth year to do
this thing called "keeping the fire."
1940
01:39:23,917 --> 01:39:27,004
In 2017, we lit a fire on January 1st,
1941
01:39:27,087 --> 01:39:29,673
and I created this invitation
that just said,
1942
01:39:29,757 --> 01:39:32,760
"Hey, we're trying to see how long
we can keep a single fire lit.
1943
01:39:32,843 --> 01:39:36,263
Would you like to come
keep the fire for 48 hours?
1944
01:39:36,347 --> 01:39:39,433
Just bring a sleeping bag,
a two-day picnic,
1945
01:39:39,516 --> 01:39:41,268
and keep the fire going.
1946
01:39:41,352 --> 01:39:44,480
But, maybe look at life
from a different perspective
1947
01:39:44,563 --> 01:39:47,232
and be reminded of fires
in your own life that need tending."
1948
01:39:47,316 --> 01:39:49,401
[interviewer speaking]
1949
01:39:49,485 --> 01:39:50,736
[Grant] Since January 1st.
1950
01:39:50,819 --> 01:39:53,906
And if it's gone out,
nobody's fessed up to it.
1951
01:39:53,989 --> 01:39:57,618
That very first year, I took
a really beautiful journal
1952
01:39:57,701 --> 01:40:00,037
that somebody had given me,
and I just scribbled out,
1953
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:01,348
"This is kind of why we're doing this.
1954
01:40:01,372 --> 01:40:03,957
I'm not really sure what it means,
1955
01:40:04,041 --> 01:40:08,879
but things become beautiful
because you nurture them."
1956
01:40:08,962 --> 01:40:12,132
You can open up anywhere.
A dad will say,
1957
01:40:12,216 --> 01:40:14,510
"This is the first time
I have freely openly grieved
1958
01:40:14,593 --> 01:40:16,470
the death of my 21-year-old son.
1959
01:40:16,553 --> 01:40:19,264
I had no idea
I needed this kind of space."
1960
01:40:20,516 --> 01:40:22,351
I think it's amazing when people
1961
01:40:22,434 --> 01:40:25,479
will actually say something
about their lives.
1962
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:29,066
That's pretty vulnerable.
1963
01:40:29,149 --> 01:40:32,986
Now, have you kept the fire yet? Come on.
1964
01:40:33,070 --> 01:40:35,197
- Will you?
- Oh, I will keep the fire.
1965
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:36,760
- [Grant] Okay.
- [Smith] Yes, I will.
1966
01:40:40,452 --> 01:40:42,180
- [interviewer] A few last questions.
- Okay.
1967
01:40:42,204 --> 01:40:43,580
[interviewer] One more question.
1968
01:40:43,664 --> 01:40:46,041
After this, I've got one
or two more questions
1969
01:40:46,125 --> 01:40:48,293
- and then begin to wrap things up.
- Okay.
1970
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:53,274
[interviewer] I'll combine
my last two questions.
1971
01:40:53,298 --> 01:40:54,174
Okay.
1972
01:40:54,258 --> 01:40:55,819
[interviewer] Is there anything
else you wanna cover?
1973
01:40:55,843 --> 01:40:58,604
All right, I just have a couple more
questions and then we'll wrap up.
1974
01:41:03,559 --> 01:41:06,145
That journey of being a trailblazer,
would you do it over again?
1975
01:41:06,228 --> 01:41:07,438
Oh, yeah.
1976
01:41:07,521 --> 01:41:10,250
[Smith] Amy and I have talked about this
a lot, even on this last tour.
1977
01:41:10,274 --> 01:41:12,985
Every night we get ready
to walk out to this big orchestra,
1978
01:41:13,068 --> 01:41:15,904
and we're in these arenas,
and I grab her hand and I say,
1979
01:41:15,988 --> 01:41:17,428
"Can you believe we get to do this?"
1980
01:41:18,907 --> 01:41:20,659
I mean, I love music. [chuckles]
1981
01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:24,872
[Houston] Music can sustain us
in the toughest of times.
1982
01:41:24,955 --> 01:41:26,165
That's a gift from God.
1983
01:41:27,166 --> 01:41:28,792
[Smith] There's something about a song.
1984
01:41:28,876 --> 01:41:31,295
There's something about
a song or a piece of music
1985
01:41:31,378 --> 01:41:35,215
that I believe touches the soul
like somebody talking to you can't.
1986
01:41:35,299 --> 01:41:37,342
I'm honored to be a part
of Christian music.
1987
01:41:37,426 --> 01:41:40,387
I don't take it lightly.
I think we've come a long way.
1988
01:41:40,471 --> 01:41:44,475
I still think we have a ways to go
in really becoming family.
1989
01:41:44,558 --> 01:41:47,352
[Tobymac] God uses people that are broken
1990
01:41:47,436 --> 01:41:50,355
to write songs that reach out
to the broken.
1991
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:55,194
[Grant] Now there's every kind
of recordable music imaginable
1992
01:41:55,277 --> 01:41:57,237
with people singing about their faith,
1993
01:41:57,321 --> 01:41:59,990
and it's beautiful.
1994
01:42:00,073 --> 01:42:02,618
[Giglio] We're now in a transition zone
1995
01:42:02,701 --> 01:42:05,871
of wanting to pass the baton on
to a new generation
1996
01:42:05,954 --> 01:42:09,333
to say, "Okay, you run, and you go
1997
01:42:09,416 --> 01:42:10,626
and watch what God can do."
1998
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:12,419
[Chapman] And shifting into a role
1999
01:42:12,503 --> 01:42:15,714
of really just encouraging
and cheering on
2000
01:42:15,798 --> 01:42:18,509
those who are taking the baton
and running.
2001
01:42:19,968 --> 01:42:21,678
[inaudible]
2002
01:42:21,762 --> 01:42:23,764
[instrumental music playing]
2003
01:42:28,185 --> 01:42:30,145
[Tobymac] The beauty
of what's happening today is,
2004
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:31,355
artists are just going out,
2005
01:42:31,438 --> 01:42:34,399
the Lecraes of the world,
the Lauren Daigles of the world.
2006
01:42:34,483 --> 01:42:35,984
These people are just out there.
2007
01:42:36,068 --> 01:42:39,112
They're not put under the category
"Christian music."
2008
01:42:39,196 --> 01:42:41,865
[Daigle] There's a reason why
we use songs to worship God,
2009
01:42:41,949 --> 01:42:45,202
and then feel this connection
with Him through that.
2010
01:42:45,285 --> 01:42:47,287
[Grant] I really like Lauren.
2011
01:42:47,371 --> 01:42:50,666
Right as her rocket ship
was igniting, I was going,
2012
01:42:50,749 --> 01:42:53,293
"Hey, do you wanna go take
a walk and sit in the woods?"
2013
01:42:53,377 --> 01:42:55,087
[Grant laughing]
2014
01:42:55,170 --> 01:42:56,797
[Daigle] She told me once, she said,
2015
01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:00,300
"The first purchase you need to make
is a piece of property,
2016
01:43:00,384 --> 01:43:04,179
because you need
the place for solace."
2017
01:43:04,263 --> 01:43:06,306
And I think it's because
she probably recognized
2018
01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:09,518
that she and I are wired so similarly.
2019
01:43:09,601 --> 01:43:11,436
I've been to that cabin.
2020
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:12,855
And you play games,
2021
01:43:12,938 --> 01:43:14,648
and you write a note,
2022
01:43:14,731 --> 01:43:17,734
and you say, "I was here and I was
stoking the fire today."
2023
01:43:19,653 --> 01:43:21,530
I hope that I can blaze a trail
2024
01:43:21,613 --> 01:43:26,118
for people to be bold about what they care
about, about what they believe in.
2025
01:43:26,201 --> 01:43:27,911
Bold, for the sake of the Gospel.
2026
01:43:27,995 --> 01:43:30,163
I've always struggled
with having an artist
2027
01:43:30,247 --> 01:43:32,040
who could take me
under their wing and say,
2028
01:43:32,124 --> 01:43:34,001
"Let me explain how this goes
2029
01:43:34,084 --> 01:43:36,336
and let me be a source of wisdom
and guidance for you."
2030
01:43:36,420 --> 01:43:40,382
The only person
who has reached out,
2031
01:43:40,465 --> 01:43:43,552
made themselves available,
was Kirk Franklin.
2032
01:43:43,635 --> 01:43:44,678
And Kirk has been,
2033
01:43:44,761 --> 01:43:48,974
man, a godsend in so many situations,
so many cases for me.
2034
01:43:49,057 --> 01:43:53,186
Every setback, there would be
a glimmer of hope.
2035
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:56,648
Every time you're like,
"the walls just keep coming up,"
2036
01:43:56,732 --> 01:43:57,983
a brick would fall.
2037
01:43:59,026 --> 01:44:01,236
[Mandisa] Toby has paved a way for me,
2038
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,697
and he has opened up so many doors.
2039
01:44:03,780 --> 01:44:08,035
We find him championing artists
that are people of color.
2040
01:44:08,118 --> 01:44:10,805
Like, he's done it time and time again,
and he certainly did it with me.
2041
01:44:10,829 --> 01:44:13,624
I wouldn't change my journey
for anything.
2042
01:44:13,707 --> 01:44:17,836
[Smallbone] My profound hope
is that this music
2043
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:21,548
continues to reach out around the world
2044
01:44:21,632 --> 01:44:23,050
more than ever in history,
2045
01:44:23,133 --> 01:44:24,927
and offers people a sense of hope,
2046
01:44:25,010 --> 01:44:28,388
and a sense of togetherness,
and a sense of joy
2047
01:44:28,472 --> 01:44:30,098
maybe that they've not experienced.
2048
01:44:31,516 --> 01:44:33,786
[Chapman] I'm seeing more and more artists
that are just saying,
2049
01:44:33,810 --> 01:44:38,148
"Hey, we want to make art that's
illuminated by our faith. Great art."
2050
01:44:38,231 --> 01:44:41,944
Let the light be so beautiful, so bright
2051
01:44:42,027 --> 01:44:44,112
that the world just can't deny it.
2052
01:44:44,196 --> 01:44:46,865
[Grant] There's always
a much bigger story to everything.
2053
01:44:48,033 --> 01:44:49,159
Always.
2054
01:44:49,242 --> 01:44:50,786
You know, God is good.
2055
01:44:52,079 --> 01:44:56,208
And you're just another one of His messy
followers telling people how good He is.
2056
01:44:57,417 --> 01:44:58,686
[interviewer] All right,
we're rolling, guys.
2057
01:44:58,710 --> 01:45:00,438
So, let's just start
at the beginning, like...
2058
01:45:00,462 --> 01:45:02,214
- Cool.
- Come on, dig out the gold.
2059
01:45:02,297 --> 01:45:03,297
Whew.
2060
01:45:07,844 --> 01:45:09,471
[applause]
2061
01:45:11,682 --> 01:45:13,725
Don't use any of that. [laughs]
2062
01:45:14,726 --> 01:45:17,729
["The Slam" by Tobymac playing]
2063
01:47:18,683 --> 01:47:20,685
[instrumental break]
2064
01:47:39,871 --> 01:47:42,874
["The Slam" continues]
2065
01:48:34,759 --> 01:48:37,762
[dramatic music playing]
2066
01:48:39,723 --> 01:48:42,100
Well, how do ya feel
about that, Devil?
2067
01:48:42,184 --> 01:48:44,186
I'm a-feelin' mighty low.
2068
01:48:44,269 --> 01:48:45,270
Good.
2069
01:48:49,107 --> 01:48:50,442
[horse whinnies]
2070
01:48:50,525 --> 01:48:52,736
[man] Hi-ho Silver, away!