1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:16,712 --> 00:00:19,671 [haunting music] 4 00:00:21,717 --> 00:00:24,546 [static crackles] 5 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:31,031 [suspenseful horror music] 6 00:00:34,947 --> 00:00:36,862 - Horror is a genre that really deals 7 00:00:36,949 --> 00:00:38,734 with putting women in peril. 8 00:00:38,821 --> 00:00:40,649 - We all know the formula. 9 00:00:40,736 --> 00:00:44,653 A terrified girl being pursued by a masked villain. 10 00:00:44,740 --> 00:00:49,745 - Of course she runs, and falls, and the killer gets her. 11 00:00:50,572 --> 00:00:52,095 [woman screams] 12 00:00:52,182 --> 00:00:55,664 - The monster attacks and the audience reacts. 13 00:00:56,621 --> 00:00:58,971 - The kids call them slasher or splatter movies. 14 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:00,712 - They signify a disturbing new 15 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:02,932 trend at the movie box office. 16 00:01:03,019 --> 00:01:05,065 - Even with its predictability 17 00:01:05,152 --> 00:01:07,676 fans would line up for more. 18 00:01:07,763 --> 00:01:09,634 - I really like seeing a strong female lead come into 19 00:01:09,721 --> 00:01:12,681 her own and take on the male villain in a horror movie. 20 00:01:12,768 --> 00:01:13,682 - Survivor girl. 21 00:01:13,769 --> 00:01:14,683 - The final girl. 22 00:01:14,770 --> 00:01:16,032 - The final girl. 23 00:01:16,119 --> 00:01:17,686 - Very often you have a female hero 24 00:01:17,773 --> 00:01:20,515 because they feel more vulnerable. 25 00:01:20,602 --> 00:01:21,603 [woman screams] 26 00:01:21,690 --> 00:01:22,952 - In the midst of the 1980s, 27 00:01:23,039 --> 00:01:24,954 the horror genre was running wild. 28 00:01:27,261 --> 00:01:30,177 Terror filled the walls of video rental stores 29 00:01:30,264 --> 00:01:34,746 and became a weekend ritual for slumber parties everywhere. 30 00:01:34,833 --> 00:01:36,879 And for every screaming final girl 31 00:01:36,966 --> 00:01:39,099 was a new monster to stalk her. 32 00:01:39,969 --> 00:01:41,362 [girl screams] 33 00:01:41,449 --> 00:01:46,541 Michael, Jason, Pinhead, Chucky, Leatherface, 34 00:01:47,498 --> 00:01:50,893 but no one was scarier than Freddy Kreuger. 35 00:01:50,980 --> 00:01:53,069 - Freddy Kreuger is every girl's dream 36 00:01:53,156 --> 00:01:54,766 and every girl's nightmare. 37 00:01:54,853 --> 00:01:57,595 - The burned boogeyman who frightened audiences 38 00:01:57,682 --> 00:02:01,164 with his razor glove and wicked tongue. 39 00:02:01,251 --> 00:02:03,253 - Freddy is the ultimate nightmare 40 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:04,385 - "A Nightmare on Elm Street" 41 00:02:04,472 --> 00:02:06,691 unleashed a new cinematic terror 42 00:02:06,778 --> 00:02:09,694 that left audiences screaming for more. 43 00:02:09,781 --> 00:02:13,568 But then came the sequel to break all the rules. 44 00:02:13,655 --> 00:02:16,875 - [Announcer] Someone is coming back to Elm Street. 45 00:02:16,962 --> 00:02:19,095 - I just wanted to do something different. 46 00:02:19,182 --> 00:02:22,229 I didn't wanna do another slasher movie. 47 00:02:22,316 --> 00:02:24,187 - "Freddy's Revenge" brought Kreuger 48 00:02:24,274 --> 00:02:26,581 out of the dream world and into the body 49 00:02:26,668 --> 00:02:29,932 of a teenage boy, Jesse Walsh, a bold choice 50 00:02:30,019 --> 00:02:34,154 that was obvious even to the film's cast in 1985. 51 00:02:34,241 --> 00:02:36,591 - We had a real sensitive male lead. 52 00:02:36,678 --> 00:02:39,594 Instead of a typical macho teen boy 53 00:02:39,681 --> 00:02:42,945 we had sort of this nerdy, sensitive kid and he became 54 00:02:43,032 --> 00:02:46,557 the equivalent of our heroine in jeopardy in part one. 55 00:02:46,644 --> 00:02:48,559 - For Mark Patton, a starring role 56 00:02:48,646 --> 00:02:51,258 in a hit film series was a dream come true. 57 00:02:52,346 --> 00:02:56,176 - I wasn't intimidated but I had lots of respect for Mark. 58 00:02:56,263 --> 00:03:00,615 - He has that vulnerability and that sex appeal-- 59 00:03:00,702 --> 00:03:02,356 [man screams] 60 00:03:02,443 --> 00:03:05,228 - Just everything that goes into being a scream queen. 61 00:03:05,315 --> 00:03:07,796 [screaming] 62 00:03:10,712 --> 00:03:12,670 - The mainstream public, they weren't ready 63 00:03:12,757 --> 00:03:15,630 for a male scream queen, they couldn't articulate it. 64 00:03:15,717 --> 00:03:17,980 - This was totally written to be a gay movie. 65 00:03:18,067 --> 00:03:20,809 I think it's hard to watch it and not think that. 66 00:03:20,896 --> 00:03:22,941 - He could have had such a different career path 67 00:03:23,028 --> 00:03:25,770 but was cast in this movie was so queer, 68 00:03:25,857 --> 00:03:28,643 the fact that it wasn't owned as a queer film 69 00:03:28,730 --> 00:03:32,864 made a light shine on him that was completely inappropriate. 70 00:03:32,951 --> 00:03:34,301 - The film that was poised 71 00:03:34,388 --> 00:03:38,043 to launch his career ended up destroying it. 72 00:03:38,130 --> 00:03:39,567 - [Patton] I wake up in the middle 73 00:03:39,654 --> 00:03:41,351 of the first movie that I'm the lead actor in 74 00:03:41,438 --> 00:03:43,614 and realize that there's a gay subtext in it. 75 00:03:43,701 --> 00:03:47,792 I was a gay person and I was living in terror. 76 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:49,185 - In the 1980, to be queer was 77 00:03:49,272 --> 00:03:51,753 to be this diseased pariah. 78 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,712 I think, in away, Mark Patton paid the price for that. 79 00:03:54,799 --> 00:03:56,758 - As quickly as he had arrived 80 00:03:56,845 --> 00:03:59,630 Mark vanished from show business. 81 00:03:59,717 --> 00:04:03,330 - What happened to Mark is not the exception. 82 00:04:03,417 --> 00:04:06,724 I think that that happens constantly. 83 00:04:06,811 --> 00:04:08,204 - The movie was 30 years ago 84 00:04:08,291 --> 00:04:10,380 and you're still pissed off at Dave Chaskin. 85 00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:12,382 - [Patton] You've been lying for 30 years about this. 86 00:04:12,469 --> 00:04:15,733 - I mean I never wrote you know, he screams like a woman. 87 00:04:17,779 --> 00:04:19,259 - [Patton] This is not my theory. 88 00:04:19,346 --> 00:04:20,651 This is my truth. 89 00:04:21,435 --> 00:04:22,914 This is what happened to me. 90 00:04:24,873 --> 00:04:27,789 [Patton screams] 91 00:04:28,746 --> 00:04:32,141 [energetic horror music] 92 00:05:43,081 --> 00:05:44,387 - I don't know what happened 93 00:05:44,474 --> 00:05:45,867 30 years ago to make him quit acting. 94 00:05:46,998 --> 00:05:48,304 - So many of us had no idea 95 00:05:48,391 --> 00:05:51,089 what he was doing for nearly 20 years. 96 00:05:52,264 --> 00:05:54,745 - Mark Patton pretty much disappeared. 97 00:05:54,832 --> 00:05:57,792 - Like they said, he was the Greta Garbo of horror. 98 00:05:57,879 --> 00:05:59,010 You know they couldn't find him. 99 00:05:59,097 --> 00:06:01,143 They didn't know where he was. 100 00:06:01,230 --> 00:06:03,972 [dramatic music] 101 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:18,247 - Cher gave me the best advice in the world 102 00:06:18,334 --> 00:06:20,815 and it's come back to haunt me, 103 00:06:20,902 --> 00:06:24,253 she said, "Mark, in show business, 104 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:28,388 what you need to do, is always do what's best for you 105 00:06:31,565 --> 00:06:35,482 because that's what everybody else is gonna be doing." 106 00:06:38,876 --> 00:06:39,790 - This is like the tip of the iceberg 107 00:06:39,877 --> 00:06:41,792 as far as this film is. 108 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:42,924 [group laughs] 109 00:06:43,011 --> 00:06:44,316 How many of you have never seen 110 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:45,927 "Nightmare on Elm Street 2" before? 111 00:06:46,014 --> 00:06:46,797 It's okay, if you can raise your hand, it's okay. 112 00:06:46,884 --> 00:06:48,451 It's okay guys don't worry. 113 00:06:48,538 --> 00:06:52,499 This movie is the gayest thing-- 114 00:06:52,586 --> 00:06:53,630 - [Co-host] And it's true. 115 00:06:53,717 --> 00:06:56,416 - And we did Xanadu last month. 116 00:06:56,503 --> 00:06:59,331 - [Co-host] It's true, it's true. 117 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:03,248 - This is the gayest movie you are about to see. 118 00:07:03,335 --> 00:07:04,772 - That's right. 119 00:07:04,859 --> 00:07:06,513 - It makes "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" 120 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,993 look like a staunch, Republican film. 121 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,952 [crowd laughs] 122 00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:13,476 Just please, does us a favor, sir you've never seen 123 00:07:13,563 --> 00:07:16,131 it before, put on your gayest googles please do. 124 00:07:16,218 --> 00:07:18,046 - [Co-Host] Please do. 125 00:07:21,310 --> 00:07:24,879 - [Cecil] In 2015, the infamous horror film, 126 00:07:24,966 --> 00:07:27,359 "A Nightmare on Elm Street: Part Two", 127 00:07:27,447 --> 00:07:29,840 celebrated its 30th anniversary. 128 00:07:33,235 --> 00:07:36,586 In honor of the occasion the lead star, Mark Patton, 129 00:07:36,673 --> 00:07:38,327 spent the year on the road, traveling 130 00:07:38,414 --> 00:07:39,981 to different horror conventions 131 00:07:40,068 --> 00:07:42,505 to meet the fans of Elm Street. 132 00:07:42,592 --> 00:07:45,465 [engaging music] 133 00:07:51,558 --> 00:07:52,907 - [Patton] Bill? 134 00:07:52,994 --> 00:07:53,603 - [Bill] Yeah. 135 00:07:56,650 --> 00:07:57,651 - What time is it? 136 00:08:00,262 --> 00:08:03,570 - [Bill] Like 9:35. 137 00:08:03,657 --> 00:08:05,354 - Isn't it seven? 138 00:08:05,441 --> 00:08:06,529 - Isn't what seven? 139 00:08:06,616 --> 00:08:07,922 - [Patton] O'clock. 140 00:08:09,314 --> 00:08:10,881 - Yes, yes it is. 141 00:08:13,188 --> 00:08:14,537 - Wake me up in 30 minutes. 142 00:08:15,625 --> 00:08:18,367 [engaging music] 143 00:08:36,037 --> 00:08:37,952 - Welcome back fans, I am Fozzie Bear 144 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:41,912 and I am the official GLBT correspondent for NLTOP. 145 00:08:43,087 --> 00:08:45,481 I edged out Andy just by a little. 146 00:08:45,568 --> 00:08:46,917 I'm here with Mark Patton, 147 00:08:47,004 --> 00:08:48,049 Hi Mark, how are you? 148 00:08:48,136 --> 00:08:49,354 - [Patton] Hey, good morning. 149 00:08:49,441 --> 00:08:50,399 - Good morning, how are you feeling 150 00:08:50,486 --> 00:08:51,400 this morning, first of all? 151 00:08:51,487 --> 00:08:52,793 - Oh, I'm feeling great. 152 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:53,837 - You don't wish you were dead at all? 153 00:08:53,924 --> 00:08:55,447 - Oh never, never, never. 154 00:08:55,535 --> 00:08:56,623 - [Fozzie] Oh no, me either, I'm feeling good. 155 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:58,146 - Yeah, no, I wake up on Sunday mornings. 156 00:08:58,233 --> 00:09:00,627 I'm like I don't know how, Beyonce does this. 157 00:09:02,629 --> 00:09:05,414 And Bill said, "well Beyonce's really young." 158 00:09:06,458 --> 00:09:09,026 I was like, "okay, well I don't how Cher does this." 159 00:09:09,723 --> 00:09:10,767 'Cause I feel like I'm between 160 00:09:10,854 --> 00:09:13,030 Beyonce and Cher or some place. 161 00:09:13,117 --> 00:09:15,685 [engaging music] 162 00:09:19,602 --> 00:09:23,171 Part of you lives in alternate universe, you know. 163 00:09:23,258 --> 00:09:25,260 I spend my days signing photographs 164 00:09:25,347 --> 00:09:27,523 of myself that were taken 30 years ago. 165 00:09:27,610 --> 00:09:29,525 - [Fan] Hi, can I get a signed picture? 166 00:09:29,612 --> 00:09:31,179 - Sure, of course. 167 00:09:33,616 --> 00:09:38,316 And, feel weird about that, honestly. 168 00:09:39,187 --> 00:09:40,449 But it is a business. 169 00:09:42,538 --> 00:09:45,976 When the door opens I become Mark Patton. 170 00:09:46,063 --> 00:09:47,108 - Right. 171 00:09:47,195 --> 00:09:48,239 - It's almost like a veil falls 172 00:09:48,326 --> 00:09:51,416 over me and I become the star. 173 00:09:51,503 --> 00:09:54,245 [engaging music] 174 00:10:20,707 --> 00:10:22,491 And I tell people this all time. 175 00:10:22,578 --> 00:10:24,406 It's like if you're gonna do this 176 00:10:24,493 --> 00:10:27,714 then be really professional, because for most 177 00:10:27,801 --> 00:10:29,280 of these people it'll be the only time 178 00:10:29,367 --> 00:10:32,544 they ever meet you, and it's a big deal. 179 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:34,590 I mean I've had people say to me, "if I could meet you 180 00:10:34,677 --> 00:10:37,245 or I could meet Brad Pitt, I would meet you. 181 00:10:37,332 --> 00:10:38,768 You're my Brad Pitt." 182 00:10:38,855 --> 00:10:42,337 And they're nervous and they're scared. 183 00:10:42,424 --> 00:10:43,817 You know, it's like a lifetime memory 184 00:10:43,904 --> 00:10:46,428 and it only takes one second to ruin that. 185 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,825 If you think that this is whorish for you to do this 186 00:10:53,478 --> 00:10:56,046 then be a good whore, because you're taking their money. 187 00:10:56,133 --> 00:10:58,353 They want you to be a movie star. 188 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,268 Just go ahead and be it. 189 00:11:00,355 --> 00:11:01,748 And that's your job as an actor. 190 00:11:01,835 --> 00:11:04,446 If your rent is due, nobody really cares. 191 00:11:04,533 --> 00:11:05,795 They don't wanna know about your problems. 192 00:11:05,882 --> 00:11:09,320 They want to see the movie star. 193 00:11:24,509 --> 00:11:28,426 ♪ One, two, Freddy's coming for you... ♪ 194 00:11:33,388 --> 00:11:36,608 - [Announcer] The kids of Elm Street don't know it yet, 195 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:40,308 but something is coming to get them. 196 00:11:40,395 --> 00:11:43,659 - [Cecil] Opening to unexpecting audiences in 1984, 197 00:11:43,746 --> 00:11:45,530 "A Nightmare on Elm Street" introduced 198 00:11:45,617 --> 00:11:49,578 the world to Freddy Kreuger, the fantasy-horror villain 199 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:51,711 who stalked and murdered the kids 200 00:11:51,798 --> 00:11:53,800 of Elm Street through their dreams. 201 00:11:55,758 --> 00:11:57,804 Critics praised creator, Wes Craven, 202 00:11:57,891 --> 00:12:00,763 for breaking the mold of the horror heroine 203 00:12:00,850 --> 00:12:04,419 with his refreshingly proactive lead, Nancy Thompson. 204 00:12:06,551 --> 00:12:09,119 This gruesome flick became the first major hit 205 00:12:09,206 --> 00:12:12,470 for independent studio New Line Cinema, 206 00:12:12,557 --> 00:12:15,299 and they quickly jumped into the production of a sequel. 207 00:12:16,518 --> 00:12:18,563 This time, they asked budding screenwriter, 208 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:21,784 David Chaskin, to take a stab at the story. 209 00:12:22,872 --> 00:12:24,831 - It's starting to happen again. 210 00:12:24,918 --> 00:12:26,746 - Nightmare two is a possession movie 211 00:12:28,530 --> 00:12:30,314 and I especially liked the concept 212 00:12:30,401 --> 00:12:35,276 of an innocent person being invaded. 213 00:12:40,585 --> 00:12:41,891 - [Announcer] "Freddy's Revenge." 214 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:45,634 - [Cecil] The film's successful box office 215 00:12:45,721 --> 00:12:48,724 opened the door for six more sequels, 216 00:12:48,811 --> 00:12:50,682 and a surge of merchandising followed. 217 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:53,729 - [Announcer] Freddy Kreuger is just a phone call away. 218 00:12:55,775 --> 00:12:58,560 [maniacal laugh] 219 00:12:58,647 --> 00:13:02,433 - [Cecil] But "Freddy's Revenge" was not a fan favorite. 220 00:13:05,654 --> 00:13:07,308 - When I first started going to shows people would 221 00:13:07,395 --> 00:13:08,700 walk up to my table and tell me 222 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:10,137 how much they hated the movie. 223 00:13:10,224 --> 00:13:12,574 I mean, like "What are you doing here?" 224 00:13:12,661 --> 00:13:14,924 - Two, two is my least favorite. 225 00:13:15,011 --> 00:13:16,447 - It's so hard to watch. 226 00:13:17,448 --> 00:13:19,886 - Well, it deviated from the original storyline. 227 00:13:19,973 --> 00:13:21,844 - It didn't feel like Wes Craven. 228 00:13:21,931 --> 00:13:23,759 He was a god. 229 00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:25,239 - I remember laughing at that one more 230 00:13:25,326 --> 00:13:27,676 and it was mainly because of the dance. 231 00:13:28,633 --> 00:13:29,939 - [Fan] He's dancing all over 232 00:13:30,026 --> 00:13:31,593 his bedroom and doing this motion. 233 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:33,900 - With the little, popper doo-dad. 234 00:13:33,987 --> 00:13:35,945 [pops] 235 00:13:36,641 --> 00:13:38,208 - It was a really gay though. 236 00:13:38,295 --> 00:13:40,297 There was a lot of gay in that movie. 237 00:13:42,299 --> 00:13:44,649 - Oh, there's a lot of subtext in there. 238 00:13:45,433 --> 00:13:47,870 - It wasn't subtext, it was right there. 239 00:13:47,957 --> 00:13:50,917 - A lot gratuitous bulge, which is always appreciated. 240 00:13:51,004 --> 00:13:52,832 - And the gay bar scene. 241 00:13:55,617 --> 00:13:57,793 - That winds up in the showers. 242 00:13:59,664 --> 00:14:02,580 - Towels snapping, and with Mark Patton's, 243 00:14:02,667 --> 00:14:04,452 I mean he's a scream queen. 244 00:14:04,539 --> 00:14:07,890 [Patton screams] 245 00:14:07,977 --> 00:14:10,719 - Mark Patton, he screams, he's a super nice guy, 246 00:14:10,806 --> 00:14:12,634 and he chokes you when you meet him. 247 00:14:12,721 --> 00:14:13,722 - Yeah-- 248 00:14:13,809 --> 00:14:14,592 - It's more like this, like. 249 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:15,898 - I don't need to-- 250 00:14:15,985 --> 00:14:17,030 - It's gentle, it's a gentle choke. 251 00:14:17,117 --> 00:14:18,509 - I don't need to meet him then. 252 00:14:18,596 --> 00:14:21,251 - You don't want that, you don't need that. 253 00:14:21,338 --> 00:14:23,863 [engaging music] 254 00:14:27,779 --> 00:14:30,260 - I don't know what Mark went through on the show. 255 00:14:31,087 --> 00:14:33,655 I don't know he felt. 256 00:14:33,742 --> 00:14:36,440 - Mark, I think, is looking for resolution. 257 00:14:36,527 --> 00:14:40,401 I think that some of the circumstances around the making 258 00:14:40,488 --> 00:14:44,709 of this film created a lot of hurt for him. 259 00:14:45,449 --> 00:14:47,843 - Judging from what happened, and then him 260 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:51,629 not being in a movie or the entertainment industry 261 00:14:51,716 --> 00:14:54,763 for like 27 years, I think he was content 262 00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:57,766 if had they never done that documentary, 263 00:14:57,853 --> 00:15:00,638 I don't think that he might've ever pursued 264 00:15:00,725 --> 00:15:04,381 trying to find out why or maybe have some closure. 265 00:15:05,426 --> 00:15:08,429 - [Cecil] The 2010 documentary, "Never Sleep Again," 266 00:15:08,516 --> 00:15:11,693 set out to chronicle the entire Elm Street legacy, 267 00:15:11,780 --> 00:15:13,521 with interviews of the filmmakers 268 00:15:13,608 --> 00:15:16,698 and stars of all eight films. 269 00:15:16,785 --> 00:15:18,700 Having disappeared from the public eye, 270 00:15:18,787 --> 00:15:22,008 Mark was their most difficult subject to find. 271 00:15:22,095 --> 00:15:25,011 Only after hiring a private investigator 272 00:15:25,098 --> 00:15:28,623 were they finally able to locate him in Mexico. 273 00:15:30,755 --> 00:15:34,629 - I had not thought about acting in many years. 274 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:38,502 I had made myself unfind-able. 275 00:15:38,589 --> 00:15:39,808 I was off the grid. 276 00:15:40,548 --> 00:15:43,464 I was living on a dirt road in Mexico 277 00:15:43,551 --> 00:15:45,945 and I got a telephone call from "Never Sleep Again," 278 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,556 and I said, "I'll come and tell my story 279 00:15:48,643 --> 00:15:51,907 under one circumstance, that I get to confront 280 00:15:51,994 --> 00:15:55,084 David Chaskin and say, you wrote this as a gay movie." 281 00:15:55,171 --> 00:15:58,653 You've been lying for 30 years about this and every time 282 00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:00,307 people ask you about it, you say "no, 283 00:16:00,394 --> 00:16:02,657 Mark was just so gay that he ruined the movie." 284 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:06,400 I didn't even know I was famous. 285 00:16:06,487 --> 00:16:08,663 I didn't know any of this existed. 286 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:12,362 [energetic horror music] 287 00:16:16,845 --> 00:16:20,370 And then I dived in to the internet. 288 00:16:20,457 --> 00:16:21,806 And that was an eye opener. 289 00:16:23,156 --> 00:16:25,071 That really pissed me off. 290 00:16:25,158 --> 00:16:28,857 [energetic horror music] 291 00:16:56,711 --> 00:17:00,019 [light dramatic music] 292 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,633 I had a very interesting childhood actually. 293 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,072 My mother was the daughter of a Southern Baptist minister 294 00:17:10,159 --> 00:17:12,988 and my father was from a very large Catholic family, 295 00:17:13,075 --> 00:17:15,512 and they met each other and they got married. 296 00:17:17,775 --> 00:17:21,649 By time my mother was 22 she had five children, 297 00:17:21,736 --> 00:17:23,738 one of which had died, and by the time 298 00:17:23,825 --> 00:17:25,566 she was 24 she had a hysterectomy, 299 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,657 'cause that was birth control where they came from. 300 00:17:29,744 --> 00:17:31,702 My parents divorced when I as 14 301 00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:34,140 and I sort of became the mom in our house. 302 00:17:34,227 --> 00:17:35,532 I took care of everybody. 303 00:17:35,619 --> 00:17:36,664 I paid the bills. 304 00:17:36,751 --> 00:17:38,187 I did all that kind of stuff. 305 00:17:38,274 --> 00:17:41,582 My mother visited mental institutions 306 00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:43,062 on and off for most of her life. 307 00:17:47,588 --> 00:17:51,026 I came from a place where everybody looked exactly the same, 308 00:17:51,113 --> 00:17:54,029 blonde hair, blue eyes, but I was beautiful, 309 00:17:55,596 --> 00:17:59,165 and I was noticed, and my grandmother had said something 310 00:17:59,252 --> 00:18:00,862 to me like, "your hair is like a girl", 311 00:18:00,949 --> 00:18:02,690 or "why do you have it cut like that? 312 00:18:02,777 --> 00:18:04,300 And why do you have this bracelet?" 313 00:18:04,387 --> 00:18:05,867 And, "boys aren't supposed to wear bracelets." 314 00:18:05,954 --> 00:18:08,043 And I had a nice little flip. 315 00:18:08,130 --> 00:18:09,697 And I thought, you know what, if God doesn't love me 316 00:18:09,784 --> 00:18:11,568 there's something wrong with God 317 00:18:11,655 --> 00:18:13,788 and when I roll over I'm not gonna care about this anymore. 318 00:18:18,009 --> 00:18:22,057 I knew I was gay when I four years old, probably, 319 00:18:22,144 --> 00:18:23,928 and I remember I had a set of bunk beds, 320 00:18:24,015 --> 00:18:27,628 and I had built myself a tent, and I put all the pillows up, 321 00:18:27,715 --> 00:18:30,935 and I was being carried off to marry the king. 322 00:18:31,022 --> 00:18:33,547 But I wasn't a girl, I knew I was a boy, 323 00:18:33,634 --> 00:18:35,549 and I was gonna marry the king, 324 00:18:35,636 --> 00:18:38,639 and it was really fabulous and I knew absolutely that 325 00:18:38,726 --> 00:18:42,033 under no circumstance should tell anybody what I was doing. 326 00:18:44,688 --> 00:18:46,821 And they didn't understand me at all. 327 00:18:47,778 --> 00:18:50,520 I mean, I was a brother from another planet. 328 00:18:50,607 --> 00:18:52,827 Actually, I was a sister from another planet 329 00:18:54,220 --> 00:18:56,570 My dad didn't understand me, 330 00:18:56,657 --> 00:18:58,876 but my dad wouldn't let anyone fuck with me. 331 00:19:00,008 --> 00:19:01,879 I know my dad loved me a lot. 332 00:19:01,966 --> 00:19:04,143 But I think that my dad resented my freedom. 333 00:19:05,666 --> 00:19:07,624 I was free because I was gay. 334 00:19:09,931 --> 00:19:13,195 When you become a parent you trade 335 00:19:13,282 --> 00:19:15,284 your dreams for somebody else's, 336 00:19:15,371 --> 00:19:18,200 and I never had to trade in my dreams. 337 00:19:20,768 --> 00:19:22,596 And it was the same with all the people around me. 338 00:19:22,683 --> 00:19:24,250 I don't know why, but deep down inside me 339 00:19:24,337 --> 00:19:27,992 I knew that there was something wrong with them 340 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:30,691 and there was nothing wrong with me, and that all 341 00:19:30,778 --> 00:19:33,607 of my problems were just a problem with geography, 342 00:19:35,826 --> 00:19:37,959 and when I moved to New York I remember my dad 343 00:19:38,046 --> 00:19:40,048 was in the front yard raking the leaves. 344 00:19:41,049 --> 00:19:43,094 He didn't offer me any money. 345 00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:46,054 He didn't ask me when I was coming home. 346 00:19:47,229 --> 00:19:48,709 He just said goodbye. 347 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:51,146 It was like I was abandoning him 348 00:19:51,233 --> 00:19:53,975 and he was pretending that I was not leaving. 349 00:19:54,062 --> 00:19:57,805 He, til the day he died, thought I had run away from home. 350 00:19:58,588 --> 00:20:00,068 I mean that's the way they talked about it. 351 00:20:00,155 --> 00:20:01,678 It was like, "come and visit me in New York." 352 00:20:01,765 --> 00:20:05,247 "Well, you're the one that left." 353 00:20:05,334 --> 00:20:09,991 That was the option, you know, you left 354 00:20:11,427 --> 00:20:13,212 and you didn't come back, I mean, I didn't come back 355 00:20:13,299 --> 00:20:16,215 to my home for four and a half years, 356 00:20:16,867 --> 00:20:19,087 and nobody came looking for me. 357 00:20:19,174 --> 00:20:21,916 [engaging music] 358 00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:29,228 I moved to New York on February 18th, 1977 359 00:20:30,403 --> 00:20:33,057 with a one-way plane ticket and $132. 360 00:20:34,711 --> 00:20:36,278 I'd never been on plane. 361 00:20:36,365 --> 00:20:40,804 My drama teacher had told me to get out of town. 362 00:20:41,762 --> 00:20:43,111 I was 17 years old. 363 00:20:44,982 --> 00:20:46,375 There was no other option. 364 00:20:46,462 --> 00:20:49,857 I couldn't stay where I was, because I mean 365 00:20:49,944 --> 00:20:52,163 apart from being an actor, you know just 366 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:54,862 the gay me, is I would've been dead. 367 00:20:56,298 --> 00:20:57,691 Some redneck would've killed me 368 00:20:57,778 --> 00:21:00,041 on a back road and that would've been my life. 369 00:21:01,738 --> 00:21:03,218 I was safe in New York. 370 00:21:07,831 --> 00:21:09,311 It only took one walk down Christopher Street 371 00:21:09,398 --> 00:21:12,271 to know that I had arrived, 'cause the doors 372 00:21:12,358 --> 00:21:13,359 started flying open, and that was 373 00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:14,708 the same way with show business. 374 00:21:14,795 --> 00:21:16,840 It was just, it was all meant to be. 375 00:21:17,972 --> 00:21:19,669 And I moved into the Hotel Woodward, 376 00:21:19,756 --> 00:21:21,280 which was a prostitution hotel. 377 00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:22,846 I didn't know that at the time. 378 00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:25,371 All the girls wore little jackets and stuff, 379 00:21:25,458 --> 00:21:29,984 and it was $37.50 a week, and I had to pay for two weeks. 380 00:21:31,159 --> 00:21:33,379 The boy down the hall had an agent. 381 00:21:33,466 --> 00:21:35,381 He was making a fortune and I just thought, 382 00:21:35,468 --> 00:21:37,687 I didn't even know you needed an agent. 383 00:21:38,993 --> 00:21:41,038 So, I followed him to his agency 384 00:21:41,125 --> 00:21:43,084 and there was a big sign on the wall, 385 00:21:43,171 --> 00:21:47,044 and it said if you're an actor do not knock on this door. 386 00:21:47,131 --> 00:21:48,742 Put your resume and your picture underneath 387 00:21:48,829 --> 00:21:51,788 the door and we'll call you if we want you. 388 00:21:52,833 --> 00:21:54,748 [table raps] 389 00:21:54,835 --> 00:21:56,489 I knock on the door because it didn't apply 390 00:21:56,576 --> 00:22:01,058 to me, 'cause I wasn't an actor, you know, officially. 391 00:22:01,145 --> 00:22:03,278 And the owner of the agency had come in early, 392 00:22:03,365 --> 00:22:05,019 opened the door, looked at me and said, "what do you want?" 393 00:22:05,106 --> 00:22:08,109 And I said, "I've come to apply for a job as an actor." 394 00:22:08,196 --> 00:22:11,068 And he said, "okay," and he looked at me, 395 00:22:11,155 --> 00:22:12,722 and he said, "how old are you?" 396 00:22:12,809 --> 00:22:14,202 And I told him how old I was. 397 00:22:14,289 --> 00:22:17,118 And he said, "okay come back at 11 o'clock." 398 00:22:17,205 --> 00:22:19,729 And they later told me he said "we didn't care 399 00:22:19,816 --> 00:22:22,776 if you could talk, they way you looked 400 00:22:22,863 --> 00:22:25,735 we knew we were gonna make a fortune in commercials on you." 401 00:22:27,563 --> 00:22:30,305 Within days I had my first national commercials 402 00:22:30,392 --> 00:22:33,439 and then I started making money, and that was that. 403 00:22:33,526 --> 00:22:35,963 ♪ So kiss a little longer ♪ 404 00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:40,968 ♪ Just give me the sunshine, give me a dew ♪ 405 00:22:42,099 --> 00:22:43,231 - And I said that night, "you know what, 406 00:22:43,318 --> 00:22:45,451 I'll give myself five years. 407 00:22:45,538 --> 00:22:48,497 If I do something really major in five years 408 00:22:48,584 --> 00:22:51,500 then this is all meant to be and it'll be okay." 409 00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:54,198 - [Announcer] The curtain comes down. 410 00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:56,244 The laughter and cheers go on and on. 411 00:22:57,898 --> 00:23:01,510 I opened on Broadway with Cher, Karen Black, 412 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,383 Sandy Dennis, Robert Altman directing, 413 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:09,388 on February the 18th, 1982, at 6:30 at night. 414 00:23:10,606 --> 00:23:13,783 So I made my five years by 30 minutes. 415 00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:19,789 That kind of timing is just divine. 416 00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:28,319 My family knew nothing about New York, Broadway. 417 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:32,889 I mean my first Broadway show, my mom called me up. 418 00:23:32,976 --> 00:23:34,674 I told her I got it. 419 00:23:34,761 --> 00:23:36,415 Then she called me back later and she was so embarrassed, 420 00:23:36,502 --> 00:23:39,156 she was like, "do you have to make your own costume?" 421 00:23:39,243 --> 00:23:41,942 [engaging music] 422 00:23:45,467 --> 00:23:46,512 We rehearsed for "Come back to the 423 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:48,514 Five and Dive, Jimmy Dean" here. 424 00:23:48,601 --> 00:23:51,517 The Rolling Stones came here one afternoon. 425 00:23:51,604 --> 00:23:54,824 David Bowie, David Bowie kissed me 426 00:23:54,911 --> 00:23:57,871 on the staircase downstairs, which was really exciting. 427 00:23:58,915 --> 00:24:03,006 And anybody who had worked for Robert, Robin Williams, 428 00:24:03,093 --> 00:24:07,010 and they'd watch the show and give us notes, 429 00:24:07,097 --> 00:24:09,578 but they treated you as peers, which was really exciting. 430 00:24:09,665 --> 00:24:13,408 You know, nobody every treated me as a young person. 431 00:24:13,495 --> 00:24:15,976 It was always, I was a peer, I was a part of that group 432 00:24:16,063 --> 00:24:19,414 and you were just included in the entire experience. 433 00:24:19,501 --> 00:24:20,894 It was really wonderful. 434 00:24:21,634 --> 00:24:24,506 I was starstruck by Cher and then 435 00:24:24,593 --> 00:24:26,595 I was completely taken under her spell. 436 00:24:27,988 --> 00:24:29,555 All of the time that I spent with her was 437 00:24:29,642 --> 00:24:32,166 pretty magnificent, because she was 438 00:24:32,253 --> 00:24:34,255 exactly what you wanted her to be. 439 00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:37,258 When you enter into her world, 440 00:24:37,345 --> 00:24:39,608 that's the real Hollywood world. 441 00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:41,480 - Martha, do you think they could be 442 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:44,874 as big as Marilyn Monroe's. 443 00:24:44,961 --> 00:24:47,486 I think they might be bigger. 444 00:24:47,573 --> 00:24:49,139 - Do you, [laughs] do you really? 445 00:24:49,226 --> 00:24:51,577 - [Cecil] He played an outcast Texan boy named Joe 446 00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:54,493 who reunites with a group of friends years later. 447 00:24:55,363 --> 00:24:57,234 But to their surprise he has changed 448 00:24:57,321 --> 00:25:02,109 his gender and is now Joanne, played by Karen Black. 449 00:25:02,196 --> 00:25:03,502 - Tell me about Joanne. 450 00:25:04,372 --> 00:25:06,330 - She's a transexual. 451 00:25:06,417 --> 00:25:09,595 - There was an altar to James Dean and I stepped 452 00:25:09,682 --> 00:25:13,555 through it into the arms of the crowd, which went wild, 453 00:25:13,642 --> 00:25:16,340 and just in a minute, Cher's gonna walk down through 454 00:25:16,427 --> 00:25:19,996 the center and the crowd is going crazy, and it's insane. 455 00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:23,913 - [Cecil] After a short run on Broadway, 456 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,611 Robert Altman went into production 457 00:25:25,698 --> 00:25:29,440 on a feature film adaptation with the original cast. 458 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,400 That was it, and the next year 459 00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,054 I was at the Cannes Film Festival. 460 00:25:37,361 --> 00:25:39,668 ♪ Sincerely ♪ 461 00:25:40,626 --> 00:25:42,541 - You really can't imagine when a dream like 462 00:25:42,628 --> 00:25:45,413 that comes true, in the way that that came true. 463 00:25:48,634 --> 00:25:50,549 "Kinky Boots" is at the Hirschfeld Theater 464 00:25:50,636 --> 00:25:55,597 which was the Martin Beck Theater, and if you go 465 00:25:56,772 --> 00:25:58,426 to the mezzanine and in the middle 466 00:25:58,513 --> 00:26:00,341 of the whole presentation there's a picture of me 467 00:26:00,428 --> 00:26:02,386 where I used to sit, its a Hirschfeld. 468 00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:06,260 [crowd cheers] 469 00:26:12,614 --> 00:26:16,357 [energetic haunting music] 470 00:26:20,448 --> 00:26:24,495 I'd been scouted to go to LA for pilot season, 471 00:26:25,627 --> 00:26:27,150 but I really wasn't prepared to go. 472 00:26:28,369 --> 00:26:30,197 Had I not gotten in that car my life 473 00:26:30,284 --> 00:26:32,112 would have been completely different. 474 00:26:35,681 --> 00:26:38,771 We drove in a Karmann Ghia from New York to Los Angeles 475 00:26:40,468 --> 00:26:42,644 and I was dumped into the deep end of Hollywood. 476 00:26:45,647 --> 00:26:48,215 We were living in South Pasadena with a friend of mine. 477 00:26:48,302 --> 00:26:50,609 - I was doing pilot season. 478 00:26:50,696 --> 00:26:55,657 Mark came out and I feel like I talked about him with Tim. 479 00:26:58,138 --> 00:26:59,574 I said, "you know I have this really cute friend 480 00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:01,663 who's staying with me," and he's like 481 00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:03,099 "well when are you going to introduce us?" 482 00:27:04,927 --> 00:27:07,713 - My friend Jeff Marcus said, "oh come over and meet Tim." 483 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,019 [door knocks] 484 00:27:10,106 --> 00:27:12,631 And my destiny walked right in the door. 485 00:27:15,764 --> 00:27:17,331 - The only thing more beautiful than these 486 00:27:17,418 --> 00:27:19,507 is the woman receiving them. 487 00:27:19,594 --> 00:27:24,555 - Timmy was spectacular looking, insanely funny. 488 00:27:26,557 --> 00:27:30,649 - Beautiful, black-headed boy, beautiful eyes, 489 00:27:30,736 --> 00:27:32,651 and he was the reverse image of me. 490 00:27:33,826 --> 00:27:37,656 [Dallas theme music plays] 491 00:27:38,526 --> 00:27:43,662 Tim was a successful TV actor in Los Angeles 492 00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:46,665 in a steady gig, living in a house in the Hills. 493 00:27:48,579 --> 00:27:52,671 When we moved in together, like the day we met each other. 494 00:27:54,585 --> 00:27:56,326 Tim changed my life. 495 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,636 And we lived next door to Madonna 496 00:28:01,723 --> 00:28:03,682 in a house on the top of Mulholland Highway. 497 00:28:06,380 --> 00:28:08,687 I liked to spy on Madonna and I liked 498 00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:11,602 to go to dinners at Merv Griffin's house. 499 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,692 I mean, I knew how to work the system. 500 00:28:14,649 --> 00:28:17,826 Free clothes, free travel, when somebody else 501 00:28:17,913 --> 00:28:20,220 is paying the ticket, it's a blast. 502 00:28:21,482 --> 00:28:22,788 The adulation and all that kind of stuff, 503 00:28:22,875 --> 00:28:24,877 it's wonderful, and work is wonderful. 504 00:28:26,226 --> 00:28:28,445 And that's why you're there anyway. 505 00:28:28,532 --> 00:28:30,621 To pretend to be somebody else and get paid for it. 506 00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:32,188 It's like amazing. 507 00:28:33,363 --> 00:28:35,104 - [Cecil] After years of supporting roles, 508 00:28:35,191 --> 00:28:39,369 Mark had the talent and the drive to become a leading man. 509 00:28:39,456 --> 00:28:41,807 - [Patton] I was going towards my destiny. 510 00:28:41,894 --> 00:28:45,724 - [Cecil] All he needed now was that killer opportunity. 511 00:28:51,381 --> 00:28:54,689 - [Walters] Horror movies, mutilation, decapitation, 512 00:28:54,776 --> 00:28:57,518 torture, does that sound entertaining? 513 00:28:57,605 --> 00:28:59,302 - Half of American households now have 514 00:28:59,389 --> 00:29:01,696 video cassette recorders, and for many children, 515 00:29:01,783 --> 00:29:03,829 they're a ticket to R-rated gore 516 00:29:03,916 --> 00:29:06,440 that the kids are too young to see at the movies. 517 00:29:06,527 --> 00:29:09,748 - They seem to love every moment of today's horror films. 518 00:29:11,793 --> 00:29:14,448 - [Cecil] Through the home video market, horror movies 519 00:29:14,535 --> 00:29:18,582 had become bigger, badder, and gorier than ever. 520 00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:21,890 They were an absolute retaliation against 521 00:29:21,977 --> 00:29:24,763 Reagan and the growing Conservative movement. 522 00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:28,854 - Take a walk down our opposition's memory lane, 523 00:29:28,941 --> 00:29:31,770 it starts to look like "Nightmare on Elm Street." 524 00:29:32,858 --> 00:29:34,381 - [Cecil] The kids loved them. 525 00:29:34,468 --> 00:29:36,296 - I love blood, and guts, and stuff, you know. 526 00:29:36,383 --> 00:29:38,428 It turns me on you know. 527 00:29:38,515 --> 00:29:39,865 - [Cecil] The parents hated them 528 00:29:39,952 --> 00:29:42,215 and organizations tried to ban them. 529 00:29:42,302 --> 00:29:43,520 - They were talking about 530 00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:46,567 the Friday 13th and Freddy Kreuger. 531 00:29:46,654 --> 00:29:48,308 - [Cecil] But, for many aspiring actors 532 00:29:48,395 --> 00:29:50,571 at the time, low-budget horror films 533 00:29:50,658 --> 00:29:53,879 became a gateway to a career in Hollywood. 534 00:29:53,966 --> 00:29:55,881 The demand for new blood allowed 535 00:29:55,968 --> 00:29:59,710 for a constant stream of fresh talent to emerge. 536 00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:03,802 Everyone was looking to be cast in the next big horror hit. 537 00:30:05,542 --> 00:30:06,935 - I cannot tell you how many friends 538 00:30:07,022 --> 00:30:09,546 told me "I would never do a horror film." 539 00:30:09,633 --> 00:30:13,246 And it didn't really ever dawn on me to say to them, "well, 540 00:30:13,333 --> 00:30:14,943 you don't have to really worry about it because nobody 541 00:30:15,030 --> 00:30:16,336 asked you." 542 00:30:17,511 --> 00:30:18,817 I was happy to get this job, you know. 543 00:30:18,904 --> 00:30:20,601 I mean I loved it. 544 00:30:20,688 --> 00:30:23,560 - Mark was a very good actor, he had a good luck, 545 00:30:23,647 --> 00:30:26,781 and he did have that vulnerability. 546 00:30:26,868 --> 00:30:29,262 I cast him basically because he felt like 547 00:30:29,349 --> 00:30:32,743 he was the right guy for the part. 548 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:34,963 - I knew about the movie, of course, but it wasn't 549 00:30:35,050 --> 00:30:37,270 like really on my radar at the time. 550 00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:41,317 I was working way too much, and then when I the second one, 551 00:30:41,404 --> 00:30:42,710 they put a screening together 552 00:30:42,797 --> 00:30:43,842 of "A Nightmare on Elm Street" for me 553 00:30:43,929 --> 00:30:45,626 after I had signed the contract 554 00:30:45,713 --> 00:30:46,757 and watched it with a friend. 555 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:48,847 I had no idea what it was. 556 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,721 Then I was like, "oh my God, what have I got myself into?" 557 00:30:54,722 --> 00:30:57,594 - When I think back on it, it was hard, hard, hard work. 558 00:30:57,681 --> 00:30:59,727 It was a lot of hard work. 559 00:30:59,814 --> 00:31:01,468 There was all this stuff in this film 560 00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:03,296 that I had no idea how to do. 561 00:31:03,383 --> 00:31:06,386 I didn't know how to do any of it and basically 562 00:31:06,473 --> 00:31:10,346 I had an anxiety attack, and that anxiety attack 563 00:31:10,433 --> 00:31:14,307 lasted for the entire pre-production period. 564 00:31:14,394 --> 00:31:16,657 - We all were fighting to become comfortable 565 00:31:16,744 --> 00:31:18,659 with the effects and Marks had to lots, 566 00:31:18,746 --> 00:31:20,966 and lots of effects in this, and he was under 567 00:31:21,053 --> 00:31:23,751 the glue as much as I was in some cases. 568 00:31:24,665 --> 00:31:26,754 - And it was all so fast. 569 00:31:29,757 --> 00:31:32,673 We were shooting that pool scene on July the fourth. 570 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,544 We opened in New York City 571 00:31:34,631 --> 00:31:37,634 on every screen available on Halloween. 572 00:31:38,766 --> 00:31:41,769 Times Square was head to toe "Nightmare on Elm Street". 573 00:31:41,856 --> 00:31:43,597 It's "Nightmare on Elm Street", "Nightmare on Elm Street", 574 00:31:43,684 --> 00:31:45,033 and everywhere you turned was my name 575 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,777 and pictures of me, and it was immersive. 576 00:31:50,647 --> 00:31:51,953 - Who me scared? 577 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,085 Yeah. 578 00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:54,608 - It scared the devil out of me. 579 00:31:55,435 --> 00:31:57,654 - [Patton] At 10 o'clock in the morning 580 00:31:57,741 --> 00:31:59,482 every theater was sold out. 581 00:32:00,788 --> 00:32:03,530 I would go in anonymous and walk out famous. 582 00:32:03,617 --> 00:32:05,619 It was unbelievable. 583 00:32:06,446 --> 00:32:08,709 I just became a movie star overnight. 584 00:32:10,102 --> 00:32:12,365 - Freddy's back, watch out. 585 00:32:12,452 --> 00:32:14,628 [man screams] 586 00:32:14,715 --> 00:32:15,759 - [Cecil] While Mark was riding high 587 00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:17,805 on the back of a box office hit, 588 00:32:17,892 --> 00:32:20,460 Freddy Kreuger was becoming a household name. 589 00:32:21,809 --> 00:32:23,985 But the sequel left the audiences feeling underwhelmed 590 00:32:24,986 --> 00:32:27,032 and a few were picking up on something odd, 591 00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,860 buried just below the surface. 592 00:32:30,992 --> 00:32:32,385 - None of that ever occurred to me. 593 00:32:32,472 --> 00:32:34,561 When the "Village Voice" came out after 594 00:32:34,648 --> 00:32:36,084 the movie opened and called it 595 00:32:36,171 --> 00:32:38,739 this great, gay movie, we all had a huge laugh. 596 00:32:38,826 --> 00:32:40,132 We thought it was the funniest thing. 597 00:32:40,219 --> 00:32:42,699 You know, where did they get that from? 598 00:32:42,786 --> 00:32:44,745 - [Patton] As the reputation of this movie started 599 00:32:44,832 --> 00:32:46,965 to grow, it sort of became a nightmare. 600 00:32:47,052 --> 00:32:49,793 I mean, really a nightmare. 601 00:32:50,751 --> 00:32:54,973 - People have selective memory a little bit about this. 602 00:32:55,060 --> 00:32:57,758 It was on the page of the script that there was gonna be 603 00:32:57,845 --> 00:33:00,979 this S&M sequence in the shower room. 604 00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:07,594 And I knew we were treading in there. 605 00:33:07,681 --> 00:33:09,509 I knew we were tiptoeing around this. 606 00:33:09,596 --> 00:33:11,772 I knew we were crossing a line a little bit, 607 00:33:11,859 --> 00:33:13,687 and I knew Freddy was part of that. 608 00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:15,384 Freddy was pushing those buttons. 609 00:33:16,516 --> 00:33:19,475 And we did talk about this, I mean I didn't talk to Jack 610 00:33:19,562 --> 00:33:22,609 about it, but I remember talking to Robert about it. 611 00:33:22,696 --> 00:33:24,611 - Right away, I knew there was homosexual 612 00:33:24,698 --> 00:33:27,135 undertones in the script when I read it. 613 00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:31,661 I knew at the audition, I knew. 614 00:33:33,098 --> 00:33:34,664 - I didn't get it. 615 00:33:34,751 --> 00:33:36,753 I didn't catch it in the script. 616 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,887 - I never was aware until I heard that Native magazine 617 00:33:39,974 --> 00:33:43,412 in New York had said this is the first gay movie. 618 00:33:43,499 --> 00:33:44,674 [laughs] 619 00:33:44,761 --> 00:33:46,720 And then I was like, yeah. 620 00:33:46,807 --> 00:33:50,767 - Is Freddy a manifestation of this taboo thing 621 00:33:50,854 --> 00:33:53,640 that's somewhere in the back of his head? 622 00:33:53,727 --> 00:33:55,424 You can play with it all you want. 623 00:33:56,773 --> 00:33:57,948 You know with "The Advocate, they 624 00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:01,604 were the first ones to notice. 625 00:34:01,691 --> 00:34:03,563 Nobody saw it, Bob asked me was there anything 626 00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:06,609 in there, and I said, "you know." 627 00:34:06,696 --> 00:34:09,003 Nah, there's nothing, what are you talking about? 628 00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:12,180 [enterprising music] 629 00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:19,579 - Where it really became cryst-clear for me 630 00:34:19,666 --> 00:34:22,234 was when we were doing the scene on the stairs. 631 00:34:23,583 --> 00:34:25,672 Look at Robert and I, it's a love scene. 632 00:34:25,759 --> 00:34:28,588 - I remember with Mark, caressing his face, 633 00:34:28,675 --> 00:34:31,721 and I remember asking Mark if I could make that, 634 00:34:31,808 --> 00:34:35,638 if I could make it, and I think the word is homoerotic. 635 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,077 Mark and I are nose to nose, 636 00:34:39,164 --> 00:34:42,863 and I've go the claw on him like this. 637 00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:44,691 - And he asked me actually, if he could 638 00:34:44,778 --> 00:34:46,475 put the blade in my mouth. 639 00:34:46,562 --> 00:34:50,088 - And one of the pieces of coverage, I rimmed his mouth. 640 00:34:51,263 --> 00:34:52,699 - But I said, well you know, whatever. 641 00:34:52,786 --> 00:34:54,701 I mean, I can go there with you. 642 00:34:54,788 --> 00:34:57,704 And my makeup artist, he comes running across, 643 00:34:57,791 --> 00:35:01,708 screaming at the top of his lungs, "stop, he needs makeup!" 644 00:35:01,795 --> 00:35:04,189 And so he grabs me and he goes, "don't you dare 645 00:35:04,276 --> 00:35:05,712 let him put that blade in your mouth. 646 00:35:05,799 --> 00:35:07,192 It'll look like you're blowing him." 647 00:35:07,279 --> 00:35:09,890 - I'm playing with oral there. 648 00:35:09,977 --> 00:35:12,675 I'm playing with a lot of symbolism there. 649 00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:16,940 But mostly for me it was disfigured Freddy 650 00:35:17,027 --> 00:35:19,726 playing with Mark's beauty, which is what, 651 00:35:19,813 --> 00:35:20,944 "Beauty and the Beast". 652 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:26,602 [Mark screams in horror] 653 00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:28,691 - When you actually go back and you look at it, 654 00:35:28,778 --> 00:35:33,740 you know the S&M bar with the guy in leather, 655 00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:35,785 and his ass is being whipped. 656 00:35:36,830 --> 00:35:39,702 I mean, you know it's shot through with this stuff. 657 00:35:39,789 --> 00:35:42,183 You know, why I didn't get it I don't know. 658 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:46,274 But I mean just because it never occurred to me, you know. 659 00:35:47,841 --> 00:35:50,757 - Obviously, I didn't want it to be obvious, 660 00:35:50,844 --> 00:35:54,717 that subtext, which is why I never really admitted to that. 661 00:35:55,718 --> 00:35:58,025 That and because it was so much more fun not to. 662 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,942 [dramatic music] 663 00:36:16,783 --> 00:36:18,219 [enterprising music] 664 00:36:18,306 --> 00:36:19,916 - [Patton] My agents went to watch the movie 665 00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:21,701 and they were like, "yeah you can carry a movie, 666 00:36:21,788 --> 00:36:23,311 but we're gonna have to make you a character actor, 667 00:36:23,398 --> 00:36:25,879 because you can't play straight." 668 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,709 - [Cecil] In order to keep his image marketable, 669 00:36:29,796 --> 00:36:32,625 Mark's agent had to act fast. 670 00:36:32,712 --> 00:36:36,150 They began working to conceal his sexual identity. 671 00:36:36,237 --> 00:36:38,805 - She threw a couple of pairs of jeans and T-shirts 672 00:36:38,892 --> 00:36:40,850 on the floor, over in the corner, you know. 673 00:36:40,937 --> 00:36:42,635 Like went through my dirty laundry and threw 'em 674 00:36:42,722 --> 00:36:46,029 in the corner, and she was like, that's what you can wear 675 00:36:46,116 --> 00:36:49,642 to auditions and the rest of the stuff has to go. 676 00:36:49,729 --> 00:36:51,948 - [Cecil] Setting him up for his most challenging 677 00:36:52,035 --> 00:36:56,301 acting role yet, the all-American boy. 678 00:36:56,388 --> 00:36:59,129 [engaging music] 679 00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:02,742 - There were 10 boys in town at any given time 680 00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:04,657 who could actually get a job. 681 00:37:04,744 --> 00:37:07,660 That's why you keep everything on the down-low. 682 00:37:07,747 --> 00:37:09,357 You don't wanna give anybody anything 683 00:37:09,444 --> 00:37:10,967 that they can use against you. 684 00:37:12,752 --> 00:37:16,625 I knew I was in danger and it was scary 685 00:37:16,712 --> 00:37:19,628 because I wanted to be a movie star, 686 00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:23,197 and I made it, and I didn't want to destroy it, 687 00:37:23,284 --> 00:37:25,243 and this movie destroyed it. 688 00:37:29,464 --> 00:37:31,205 And I remember thinking one day, 689 00:37:31,292 --> 00:37:34,121 thank you Jesus, you gave me everything that I asked for, 690 00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:36,341 every bit of it, you gave me every bit of it. 691 00:37:36,428 --> 00:37:39,300 It's all here, and then the next day it all went to hell. 692 00:37:40,954 --> 00:37:45,959 - The irony of Mark Patton's career is that at a time 693 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,136 when young gay men all over America and Europe 694 00:37:49,223 --> 00:37:51,704 were coming out and feeling relieved, 695 00:37:51,791 --> 00:37:55,708 and being accepted, the doors all shut again. 696 00:38:01,322 --> 00:38:04,369 At some point during the beginning 697 00:38:04,456 --> 00:38:08,808 of the AIDS epidemic, everything changed. 698 00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:11,680 - [Cecil] By the time "Freddy's Revenge" opened, 699 00:38:11,767 --> 00:38:15,728 the AIDS epidemic had consumed the nation's headlines. 700 00:38:15,815 --> 00:38:18,687 Rock Hudson, the quintessential leading man, 701 00:38:18,774 --> 00:38:21,255 had not only been outed as gay by the press, 702 00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:23,083 but his tragic death to AIDS had 703 00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:25,999 sent all of Hollywood into a panic. 704 00:38:26,086 --> 00:38:27,740 - Movie star Rock Hudson, died 705 00:38:27,827 --> 00:38:29,394 at his Coldwater Canyon home this morning. 706 00:38:29,481 --> 00:38:31,396 His publicist said that the movie star's body 707 00:38:31,483 --> 00:38:33,180 has already been cremated. 708 00:38:33,267 --> 00:38:35,878 - Hudson's battle against AIDS came to an end-- 709 00:38:35,965 --> 00:38:38,403 - [Cecil] Gossip rags like the "National Enquirer", 710 00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:40,796 had ignited a full-fledged witch hunt 711 00:38:40,883 --> 00:38:44,147 to expose anyone thought to be in the closet. 712 00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:47,150 It became regular, front-page news. 713 00:38:48,848 --> 00:38:51,938 - There was a moment of time in the mid-70s, 714 00:38:52,025 --> 00:38:54,941 and I think it may have been a combination 715 00:38:55,028 --> 00:39:00,033 of the 60s culture and the rise of Disco culture, 716 00:39:01,121 --> 00:39:03,906 and I saw this sort of melting pot 717 00:39:03,993 --> 00:39:06,344 occur there, and everybody got along. 718 00:39:07,562 --> 00:39:10,173 - [Patton] The early 80s were just amazing, 719 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:11,958 because there were no boundaries. 720 00:39:12,045 --> 00:39:13,742 Cocaine wasn't addictive. 721 00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:15,309 There was no HIV. 722 00:39:16,179 --> 00:39:17,529 Everybody was bisexual. 723 00:39:17,616 --> 00:39:19,748 So, it's like you could pretty much sleep 724 00:39:19,835 --> 00:39:21,794 with anybody that you wanted to sleep with. 725 00:39:22,577 --> 00:39:24,492 - There was hardly any stigma. 726 00:39:24,579 --> 00:39:29,279 Yes, there was kind of an etiquette of don't ask don't tell, 727 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:31,281 but it was much like you don't talk 728 00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:33,371 about politics and religion at dinner. 729 00:39:34,415 --> 00:39:37,244 - We were free, I mean were living the liberation. 730 00:39:38,463 --> 00:39:39,855 And then the check came. 731 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,081 - [Cecil] The AIDS virus is intelligent, 732 00:39:48,168 --> 00:39:50,562 adaptable, and relentless. 733 00:39:52,215 --> 00:39:56,132 In 1985 it was still an enigma and completely unstoppable. 734 00:39:57,873 --> 00:39:59,788 Its parasitic qualities reeked havoc 735 00:39:59,875 --> 00:40:04,271 on all functions of the body, and the gore and horror 736 00:40:04,358 --> 00:40:06,360 it caused were worse than anything 737 00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:09,319 that had ever been dreamed up on the silver screen. 738 00:40:11,452 --> 00:40:14,934 It became a boogeyman for an entire generation. 739 00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:19,852 While "Freddy's Revenge" showed the devastating 740 00:40:19,939 --> 00:40:24,334 transformation of one teen, gay men across the world 741 00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:27,599 were actually experiencing it in real life. 742 00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:37,217 - At the time, I was emotionally rock-bottom. 743 00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:39,001 I, it was so scary. 744 00:40:40,481 --> 00:40:43,963 - HIV and AIDS was happening everywhere 745 00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:46,835 and nobody knew what was happening 746 00:40:46,922 --> 00:40:48,141 or who it was happening to. 747 00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:52,101 - You know, there was a time when everybody 748 00:40:52,188 --> 00:40:55,409 lost a lot of friends, or you walked around and it was like 749 00:40:55,496 --> 00:40:58,412 zombies on the street the way that people looked. 750 00:40:58,499 --> 00:41:00,066 - I know what it's like to watch zombies 751 00:41:00,153 --> 00:41:02,068 walk down the street, and they're your friends. 752 00:41:02,155 --> 00:41:03,722 I mean you'd have a friend who was this beautiful, 753 00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:05,898 hot man and you'd run into him six months later 754 00:41:05,985 --> 00:41:07,465 and he was somebody's grandpa, 755 00:41:08,683 --> 00:41:10,032 and then you never saw him again, 756 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:11,338 and if you didn't see somebody for a year 757 00:41:11,425 --> 00:41:13,427 you just assumed they were dead. 758 00:41:13,514 --> 00:41:16,996 [dramatic hospital music] 759 00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:21,566 - It just seemed like overnight everybody woke up 760 00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:25,091 at the same time and everyone became paranoid. 761 00:41:29,399 --> 00:41:32,490 - It was the worst years of my life, personally, 762 00:41:32,577 --> 00:41:34,579 professionally, I think I was having a nervous breakdown, 763 00:41:34,666 --> 00:41:39,540 didn't even know it, just because I was ill-equipped 764 00:41:39,627 --> 00:41:43,370 for the enormity of what was being thrown at me. 765 00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:45,894 - Because it just got to the point 766 00:41:45,981 --> 00:41:47,592 where it was just so overwhelming, 767 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,899 and then you fall into denial, you know. 768 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:54,381 [dramatic music] 769 00:41:56,165 --> 00:41:58,603 - I was a teenager during that time and that was one 770 00:41:58,690 --> 00:42:01,606 of the main reasons I didn't come out, 771 00:42:01,693 --> 00:42:04,565 because it was so terrifying; there was nothing positive. 772 00:42:04,652 --> 00:42:09,222 It seemed horrific to me what was going on, what was being 773 00:42:09,309 --> 00:42:13,661 said on TV, when you know that who you are isn't that. 774 00:42:13,748 --> 00:42:16,490 - Gays are being called a dangerous and violent group 775 00:42:16,577 --> 00:42:19,972 that corrupts children and infects the community with AIDS. 776 00:42:20,059 --> 00:42:21,582 - You hear that it's vile. 777 00:42:21,669 --> 00:42:24,367 You hear that they are doing despicable thing. 778 00:42:24,454 --> 00:42:26,631 - Well, what they're doing is abnormal in the sense 779 00:42:26,718 --> 00:42:29,634 that they were, they're most of these people 780 00:42:29,721 --> 00:42:31,636 that they're not fit, they're not human beings. 781 00:42:31,723 --> 00:42:34,073 They have emotional problems. 782 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,596 - There were no role models. 783 00:42:37,337 --> 00:42:40,253 I mean, I was raised in a religious background, so, 784 00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:42,560 on top of that everything that I heard, 785 00:42:42,647 --> 00:42:46,520 it was incongruent with who I knew I was. 786 00:42:46,607 --> 00:42:48,174 - Homosexuality is a sin. 787 00:42:48,261 --> 00:42:49,523 - God's plan for man was 788 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:53,527 Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. 789 00:42:53,614 --> 00:42:58,576 - The constant dynamic of being beaten down verbally, 790 00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:01,579 image wise, TV, it was just terrible. 791 00:43:01,666 --> 00:43:03,668 And then all these deaths, and I kept thinking, 792 00:43:03,755 --> 00:43:08,498 you know, if I start having sex, I start having gay sex, 793 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:09,978 I'm gonna get AIDS, I'm gonna die. 794 00:43:10,065 --> 00:43:12,981 - If these fags don't kill us all with AIDS 795 00:43:13,068 --> 00:43:15,636 they'll bankrupt us all, but before that happens 796 00:43:15,723 --> 00:43:18,291 God almighty will visit this country with judgment. 797 00:43:19,509 --> 00:43:22,556 - I decided to hide it and just pretend 798 00:43:22,643 --> 00:43:24,210 that basically I was straight. 799 00:43:24,297 --> 00:43:25,515 I made myself believe it. 800 00:43:26,647 --> 00:43:28,649 It was a struggle and it was a struggle 801 00:43:28,736 --> 00:43:30,042 I almost didn't make it out of. 802 00:43:30,129 --> 00:43:32,174 I almost ended up killing myself, so... 803 00:43:36,483 --> 00:43:40,618 - People did go back into the closet in great numbers. 804 00:43:42,228 --> 00:43:47,146 Big stars, actors that I know, that were being very free 805 00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:51,063 and liberated and all of a sudden, they sort of had 806 00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:54,632 to return to masquerading as a leading man. 807 00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:59,332 - Like, the public always came, especially with Tim. 808 00:44:02,378 --> 00:44:03,336 We had dogs. 809 00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:05,686 He had a photo shoot 810 00:44:05,773 --> 00:44:07,732 and they were shooting in the house. 811 00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:11,126 I got really mad because I didn't think it was fair. 812 00:44:11,213 --> 00:44:15,217 I had to leave the house of course, and it no longer 813 00:44:15,304 --> 00:44:17,176 became my house, it was his house, 814 00:44:17,263 --> 00:44:19,700 and I didn't want our dogs in the picture. 815 00:44:21,354 --> 00:44:24,096 Tim and I had a very tempestuous relationship. 816 00:44:24,183 --> 00:44:26,620 So we would break up a lot. 817 00:44:26,707 --> 00:44:28,404 The rumors spread that he had AIDS. 818 00:44:32,191 --> 00:44:34,280 And Timothy did not tell me. 819 00:44:34,367 --> 00:44:36,630 He was not the first person that told me. 820 00:44:36,717 --> 00:44:39,502 It's a, a dear friend of mine told me 821 00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:43,419 and I said "no, that Tim was not HIV positive, 822 00:44:43,506 --> 00:44:47,510 that he wasn't sick", and then I called him and he was. 823 00:44:47,597 --> 00:44:50,775 So, it was pretty devastating, 'cause I had talked 824 00:44:50,862 --> 00:44:55,867 to Tim like, a few a hours before, right? 825 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,913 How do you tell somebody that you're intimate with 826 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,175 that you have disease that's gonna kill you 827 00:45:00,262 --> 00:45:01,742 and they might've given it to you? 828 00:45:03,396 --> 00:45:05,572 There's no protocol with that. 829 00:45:07,182 --> 00:45:10,185 You could be judgmental and say 830 00:45:10,272 --> 00:45:14,146 that you know what you do but you don't, because 831 00:45:14,233 --> 00:45:18,716 the shame was so intense, and the fear was so intense. 832 00:45:20,892 --> 00:45:22,763 But I never blamed him. 833 00:45:22,850 --> 00:45:25,810 I never, never, I loved him, I don't blame him for anything. 834 00:45:28,421 --> 00:45:29,683 So, I got a call from a guy in New York 835 00:45:29,770 --> 00:45:31,641 and he said, "hi, how are you?" 836 00:45:31,729 --> 00:45:33,600 It's like, I'm friend with Tim and said, 837 00:45:33,687 --> 00:45:35,471 "well Tim said I should call you when I got 838 00:45:35,558 --> 00:45:38,779 to New York because I don't know anybody, blah, blah, blah." 839 00:45:38,866 --> 00:45:42,174 And he said that we could get dinner, and he knew enough 840 00:45:42,261 --> 00:45:44,742 about us that I just assumed, right. 841 00:45:45,743 --> 00:45:48,702 And I went out to dinner with this guy, and about midway 842 00:45:48,789 --> 00:45:51,400 through the dinner he said, "oh my God how's Tim doing? 843 00:45:51,487 --> 00:45:54,664 I'm really worried about him and blah, blah, blah." 844 00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:56,884 And I didn't really reveal anything but I just revealed 845 00:45:56,971 --> 00:46:01,323 enough to say, well you know he's doing as best as, 846 00:46:01,410 --> 00:46:03,586 you know, we don't know what's going on. 847 00:46:05,937 --> 00:46:09,679 And that guy worked for the "National Enquirer". 848 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:13,509 You know, they broke into Tim's hospital room 849 00:46:13,596 --> 00:46:16,817 and they took pictures of him in bed while he was dying, 850 00:46:18,427 --> 00:46:21,343 - And I remember just really in that hospital room 851 00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:24,869 mustering all of my courage to just to pretend 852 00:46:24,956 --> 00:46:29,569 like we were still happy friends having a wonderful time, 853 00:46:29,656 --> 00:46:34,661 and as he lay there, not looking like the Tim I knew, 854 00:46:37,838 --> 00:46:42,800 and then he passed away and I was not at the memorial. 855 00:46:44,976 --> 00:46:48,588 [engaging dramatic music] 856 00:46:48,675 --> 00:46:52,766 - Through a combination of experiences, 857 00:46:52,853 --> 00:46:56,726 both professional and private, they broke me. 858 00:46:59,338 --> 00:47:02,254 - Because he's in a Hollywood that is fearful 859 00:47:02,341 --> 00:47:04,430 and wants everybody to butch up now, 860 00:47:06,475 --> 00:47:10,566 and I think that that's what made him go a little crazy. 861 00:47:11,698 --> 00:47:14,353 - [Patton] And I thought, this is fucking insane. 862 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,876 There were people asking me if I could live 863 00:47:15,963 --> 00:47:18,270 in the closet while all these people are dying 864 00:47:18,357 --> 00:47:19,749 and I'm having a nervous breakdown 865 00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:21,882 over my friends and I just don't want this. 866 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,974 So, I guess at that moment all 867 00:47:27,061 --> 00:47:29,629 of this came together and I made a choice. 868 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,374 - [Cecil] After walking away from his acting career, 869 00:47:35,461 --> 00:47:38,725 Mark retreated from the public eye, completely. 870 00:47:39,769 --> 00:47:42,816 [distorted music] 871 00:47:45,645 --> 00:47:48,648 Decades later, a new generation was 872 00:47:48,735 --> 00:47:51,869 taking a second look at "Freddy's Revenge". 873 00:47:58,745 --> 00:48:00,747 - We're always reinventing the bogeyman. 874 00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:02,575 It's constantly in flux. 875 00:48:05,752 --> 00:48:07,841 In my class, we go through a lot of different 876 00:48:07,928 --> 00:48:11,671 monster as, dot dot dot, monster as racial other, 877 00:48:11,758 --> 00:48:15,849 monster as a different nation, a different ideology. 878 00:48:15,936 --> 00:48:17,372 Nightmare On Elm Street 2 is useful to talk 879 00:48:17,459 --> 00:48:19,766 about the monster as the homosexual, 880 00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:23,813 a monster as queer and tapping into that paranoia. 881 00:48:26,947 --> 00:48:28,557 The relationship between horror film and reality 882 00:48:28,644 --> 00:48:31,647 is reciprocal; that horror films do reflect culture, 883 00:48:31,734 --> 00:48:33,562 but they also give us a vocabulary 884 00:48:33,649 --> 00:48:35,608 to talk about things in the real world. 885 00:48:36,565 --> 00:48:38,480 Well there's three ways I think in a horror film 886 00:48:38,567 --> 00:48:40,526 to think about how queerness emerges. 887 00:48:40,613 --> 00:48:42,876 One, is this sort of homosexual as a threat 888 00:48:42,963 --> 00:48:44,878 to others, and often the homosexual 889 00:48:44,965 --> 00:48:48,708 is linked with sadism or violence in the horror film. 890 00:48:48,795 --> 00:48:51,493 There's the homosexual threat to the culture, 891 00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:55,062 that they represent something as foundationally antithetical 892 00:48:55,149 --> 00:48:57,630 to the family, or to the future. 893 00:48:57,717 --> 00:48:59,110 And then the third way is the homosexual 894 00:48:59,197 --> 00:49:02,548 as the monster within, that would emerge, 895 00:49:02,635 --> 00:49:04,637 and that we have to constantly repress. 896 00:49:04,724 --> 00:49:06,726 - And I think for all those reasons queer theory 897 00:49:06,813 --> 00:49:09,076 is intimately linked to the horror film. 898 00:49:09,163 --> 00:49:12,645 - A lot of horror movies have used queerness 899 00:49:12,732 --> 00:49:14,560 as something to be afraid of, and what's interesting 900 00:49:14,647 --> 00:49:17,041 about "Nightmare on Elm Street, Part Two", 901 00:49:17,128 --> 00:49:20,653 is it's not the killer who's necessarily queer. 902 00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:23,961 It's someone, you know, dealing with themselves. 903 00:49:26,137 --> 00:49:29,531 - All right guys, tell me as social historians, 904 00:49:29,618 --> 00:49:31,751 you and I, how do we talk about this film? 905 00:49:31,838 --> 00:49:33,666 "Nightmare on Elm Street 2" is one of those films 906 00:49:33,753 --> 00:49:35,581 where you could say it's not subtext 907 00:49:35,668 --> 00:49:37,452 at certain points, it's just text, 908 00:49:37,539 --> 00:49:39,585 especially from a modern perspective when you're 909 00:49:39,672 --> 00:49:42,501 looking back and saying of course that's a gay bar. 910 00:49:42,588 --> 00:49:47,462 Of course that is anxiety about this creature coming out. 911 00:49:47,549 --> 00:49:50,726 We can see Jesse reading this erotic fantasy 912 00:49:50,813 --> 00:49:52,946 about a man in a diary entry. 913 00:49:53,033 --> 00:49:55,470 - Under the sheets with me, tearing 914 00:49:55,557 --> 00:49:57,733 at my nightgown with his steel claw. 915 00:49:59,170 --> 00:50:02,782 - He has to repress his own desires in order to survive. 916 00:50:04,871 --> 00:50:07,613 - I think it's interesting how you have this final boy 917 00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:09,658 who's actually acting like a final girl. 918 00:50:09,745 --> 00:50:11,704 - Right, do you think in a weird way, 919 00:50:11,791 --> 00:50:13,575 given what we know about the final girl, 920 00:50:13,662 --> 00:50:15,577 who tends to be more masculine than her female counterparts, 921 00:50:15,664 --> 00:50:17,579 does that make sense that he would be 922 00:50:17,666 --> 00:50:19,668 kind of to this side of feminine? 923 00:50:19,755 --> 00:50:21,975 - There is nothing to figure out. 924 00:50:22,062 --> 00:50:24,630 - It may not even be about sexuality. 925 00:50:24,717 --> 00:50:26,197 - I wanna help you. 926 00:50:26,284 --> 00:50:27,720 It actually could just be about gender first, 927 00:50:27,807 --> 00:50:29,200 and you change that up-- 928 00:50:29,287 --> 00:50:31,680 - I'm not gonna let anything happen to you. 929 00:50:32,594 --> 00:50:35,728 - [Jesse] Automatically shifts the dynamic of the film. 930 00:50:36,729 --> 00:50:38,470 - You know the mainstream public, I don't think 931 00:50:38,557 --> 00:50:42,996 that people thought, oh this sucks because it's gay. 932 00:50:43,083 --> 00:50:46,086 I think they weren't ready for a male scream queen. 933 00:50:46,173 --> 00:50:47,783 They couldn't articulate it. 934 00:50:49,698 --> 00:50:51,961 - I think one of the problems with having a final boy 935 00:50:52,049 --> 00:50:54,834 is that the final girl has to go through this transition 936 00:50:54,921 --> 00:50:59,012 from being a victim to an agent, 937 00:50:59,099 --> 00:51:02,015 and sort of taking up the phallus and turning the tables. 938 00:51:02,102 --> 00:51:05,018 I think in our culture, we can't accept that 939 00:51:05,105 --> 00:51:08,717 a boy will be at any point unphallusized, 940 00:51:08,804 --> 00:51:11,546 and then have to go through this sort 941 00:51:11,633 --> 00:51:14,549 of coming-to-age to gain power. 942 00:51:14,636 --> 00:51:15,898 - I'm scared. 943 00:51:15,985 --> 00:51:16,769 - Jesse, who is doing this to you? 944 00:51:16,856 --> 00:51:18,031 - Fred Kreuger. 945 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,602 He's inside me and he wants to take me again. 946 00:51:23,689 --> 00:51:25,734 - I think it was different, it was breaking ground 947 00:51:25,821 --> 00:51:30,565 for that kind of horror film to introduce a man in that way. 948 00:51:30,652 --> 00:51:33,742 [lightning crackles] 949 00:51:34,743 --> 00:51:38,051 [engaging dramatic music] 950 00:52:07,341 --> 00:52:09,909 [metal clinks] 951 00:52:11,824 --> 00:52:16,829 - This is a virgin, and it's a family altar. 952 00:52:20,659 --> 00:52:23,662 There's all kinds of prayers in there. 953 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,099 It's a gift. 954 00:52:26,186 --> 00:52:27,796 It's beautiful though, isn't it? 955 00:52:29,233 --> 00:52:31,017 And it would make a nice disco lamp. 956 00:52:39,852 --> 00:52:42,594 That's my dog and that's me. 957 00:52:42,681 --> 00:52:44,683 This is me jumping out of the airplane. 958 00:52:46,075 --> 00:52:48,730 This is how I arrived in Vallarta. 959 00:52:50,689 --> 00:52:52,778 I mean you can tell my head was a little confused. 960 00:52:54,693 --> 00:52:57,870 Well I've had many dark nights of the soul in this house. 961 00:53:00,002 --> 00:53:02,744 I became very sick with HIV. 962 00:53:02,831 --> 00:53:06,661 I had full-blown AIDS, cancer, tuberculosis, 963 00:53:06,748 --> 00:53:08,141 I had like everything that you could 964 00:53:08,228 --> 00:53:09,795 possibly have all at the same time. 965 00:53:09,882 --> 00:53:12,624 I was bed-bound for a year and a half. 966 00:53:13,799 --> 00:53:17,977 I was struck dead, but I was also lucky 967 00:53:18,064 --> 00:53:21,198 because I got sick when the cocktail came out, 968 00:53:22,329 --> 00:53:24,288 but unfortunately I had tuberculosis, 969 00:53:24,375 --> 00:53:26,638 and tuberculosis medicines, you have 970 00:53:26,725 --> 00:53:28,335 to be treated for tuberculosis for a year, 971 00:53:28,422 --> 00:53:31,991 and they're not compatible with HIV cocktail. 972 00:53:32,078 --> 00:53:34,689 So, I had to take all of the old line therapy. 973 00:53:36,909 --> 00:53:40,652 I had AZT, DDI, D14, neuropathy, 974 00:53:40,739 --> 00:53:43,263 and the AZT almost killed me the first year. 975 00:53:46,397 --> 00:53:50,096 But this is what happened to me after I got here. 976 00:53:50,183 --> 00:53:54,666 It's like I had a spiritual breakthrough, and this is me. 977 00:53:58,887 --> 00:54:01,760 I always draw me as a deer, and it was me trying 978 00:54:03,762 --> 00:54:06,939 to get away, but every time I would leave 979 00:54:07,026 --> 00:54:09,768 I would fall into a depression that I'd have to come back. 980 00:54:12,945 --> 00:54:15,991 [enterprising music] 981 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,964 I knew that I wanted to move down here, 982 00:54:32,051 --> 00:54:34,706 but I also knew that I couldn't not work. 983 00:54:35,881 --> 00:54:37,709 So I decided to open a store here. 984 00:54:40,973 --> 00:54:43,758 Yes, we're very famous in Puerto Vallarta. 985 00:54:43,845 --> 00:54:47,153 They call us the Prada of Puerto Vallarta. 986 00:54:48,981 --> 00:54:52,898 When I came down here, nobody knew I was an actor. 987 00:54:52,985 --> 00:54:55,422 I mean I didn't want really anybody to know. 988 00:55:01,167 --> 00:55:04,866 Then, "Never Sleep Again" happened and I was interviewed, 989 00:55:05,867 --> 00:55:09,262 and suddenly I was out of the closet, and that's really 990 00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:13,266 when Hector began to find out about my life as an actor too, 991 00:55:13,353 --> 00:55:16,313 because he really didn't know much about it. 992 00:55:24,799 --> 00:55:27,106 - And then it suddenly became people were coming 993 00:55:27,193 --> 00:55:29,413 to the store and asking for my autograph. 994 00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:32,764 Then, I went off on tour. 995 00:55:32,851 --> 00:55:35,767 [dramatic music] 996 00:56:17,591 --> 00:56:19,985 [birds chirp] 997 00:56:20,072 --> 00:56:22,814 [engaging music] 998 00:56:44,923 --> 00:56:46,272 - You know, I think in theaters 999 00:56:46,359 --> 00:56:48,492 you can feel all kinds of creepy vibes. 1000 00:56:48,579 --> 00:56:51,320 They're good, but you can feel everybody's energy 1001 00:56:51,408 --> 00:56:53,801 in here if you're kind of sensitive that way. 1002 00:56:54,715 --> 00:56:57,283 There's a lot of hopes and dreams in this room. 1003 00:57:01,026 --> 00:57:04,290 The Supremes, actually the beautiful Mcguire Sisters. 1004 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,471 Actually when we came in here, somebody said that it 1005 00:57:11,558 --> 00:57:14,909 smelled like high school, which it does, 1006 00:57:15,867 --> 00:57:17,521 and that's a really, really good memory for me, 1007 00:57:17,608 --> 00:57:20,915 because that's where I really found myself originally. 1008 00:57:21,002 --> 00:57:24,353 [engaging dreamy music] 1009 00:57:29,054 --> 00:57:30,534 - So this will be here. 1010 00:57:30,621 --> 00:57:33,188 - Yeah, I'm gonna give you the Ray-Bans. 1011 00:57:33,275 --> 00:57:34,973 And you're getting a special, they only had gold ones. 1012 00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:37,062 - That's okay, I'm gonna get these. 1013 00:57:37,149 --> 00:57:38,498 The timing of Mark coming here is 1014 00:57:38,585 --> 00:57:40,935 actually really awesome, because next week 1015 00:57:41,022 --> 00:57:43,416 Portsmouth actually celebrates its first Pride. 1016 00:57:44,548 --> 00:57:45,984 There are still things happening within 1017 00:57:46,071 --> 00:57:49,857 out community that are not being talked about. 1018 00:57:49,944 --> 00:57:51,859 You have this monster in the room. 1019 00:57:51,946 --> 00:57:55,863 When you give it a lot of power it'll become something huge. 1020 00:57:57,256 --> 00:58:00,128 Mark is a wonderful platform for talking 1021 00:58:00,215 --> 00:58:02,914 about HIV, for talking about AIDS. 1022 00:58:06,004 --> 00:58:08,528 - So I decided that if I was gonna do this I was gonna take 1023 00:58:08,615 --> 00:58:10,051 my little bit of fame and I was gonna 1024 00:58:10,138 --> 00:58:12,314 squeeze as much of out it as I possibly could. 1025 00:58:13,577 --> 00:58:15,622 I knew that this glove was really powerful. 1026 00:58:17,189 --> 00:58:19,147 The first year I was gonna talk about bullying, 1027 00:58:19,234 --> 00:58:20,888 and everybody could related to that. 1028 00:58:20,975 --> 00:58:23,151 The next year I talked about homophobia, 1029 00:58:23,238 --> 00:58:25,632 because conventions were very closeted. 1030 00:58:28,635 --> 00:58:30,332 I wanted to shine a light into this world 1031 00:58:30,419 --> 00:58:32,944 and make it save for gay horror fans to come. 1032 00:58:36,556 --> 00:58:37,905 I would always let all of these people 1033 00:58:37,992 --> 00:58:39,603 get to know me as a healthy person 1034 00:58:39,690 --> 00:58:41,605 and then I would tell them that I was HIV positive, 1035 00:58:41,692 --> 00:58:44,303 so that they could know that they had met a person 1036 00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:47,088 who was gay and who had HIV, 1037 00:58:47,175 --> 00:58:49,351 and they couldn't say they didn't know anybody. 1038 00:58:50,701 --> 00:58:53,573 - We've reached a point where you can actually have 1039 00:58:53,660 --> 00:58:57,621 a completely normal life, HIV can be completely managed. 1040 00:58:57,708 --> 00:59:01,538 Research has reached a point where they're comfortable 1041 00:59:01,625 --> 00:59:05,367 talking about the fact an undetectable person 1042 00:59:05,454 --> 00:59:10,459 is unable to transmit HIV, not necessarily that it's 1043 00:59:11,504 --> 00:59:14,725 being eradicated, but it's being stopped from progressing. 1044 00:59:16,422 --> 00:59:18,163 - When I was on the cover of "The Advocate", 1045 00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:20,513 and HIV plus magazine that went 1046 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,036 around the world, I was thrilled. 1047 00:59:22,123 --> 00:59:23,690 With that glove on it went around the world. 1048 00:59:26,606 --> 00:59:27,476 [engaging music] 1049 00:59:27,564 --> 00:59:29,435 Oh, do I need that tape. 1050 00:59:31,306 --> 00:59:34,527 See I have the tape look, go like that. 1051 00:59:34,614 --> 00:59:36,355 That's amazing isn't it? 1052 00:59:36,442 --> 00:59:39,532 With a little bit of make up and like that from a distance. 1053 00:59:39,619 --> 00:59:43,492 I could like, still play a juvenile on stage. 1054 00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:46,278 [a BIG stage] 1055 00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:52,284 - Ladies and gentlemen please welcome the star 1056 00:59:52,371 --> 00:59:54,678 of "Nightmare on Elm Street Two, Freddy's Revenge", 1057 00:59:54,765 --> 00:59:56,636 Mr. Mark Patton ladies and gentleman. 1058 00:59:56,723 --> 00:59:59,508 [Crowd cheers] 1059 01:00:03,295 --> 01:00:04,513 - Bunny, you must be so excited. 1060 01:00:04,601 --> 01:00:05,863 - I am actually-- 1061 01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:07,386 - 'Cause this has been your dream 1062 01:00:07,473 --> 01:00:08,735 the entire time we've been doing this theater. 1063 01:00:08,822 --> 01:00:11,390 - Well, I love a girl with a dream. 1064 01:00:11,477 --> 01:00:13,610 - Can you make my dream come true? 1065 01:00:14,567 --> 01:00:16,351 - Well, I can try. 1066 01:00:16,438 --> 01:00:18,702 - Will you dance for me? 1067 01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:19,746 - No. 1068 01:00:19,833 --> 01:00:21,530 [crowd cheers] 1069 01:00:21,618 --> 01:00:22,444 No. 1070 01:00:22,531 --> 01:00:23,358 - Come on Mark. 1071 01:00:23,445 --> 01:00:24,621 - No, I don't dance. 1072 01:00:24,708 --> 01:00:26,013 - Mark, you have to dance for me. 1073 01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:27,449 - Do you really want me to dance? 1074 01:00:27,536 --> 01:00:29,016 - You want him to, come on. 1075 01:00:29,103 --> 01:00:31,062 I will take this dance. 1076 01:00:31,149 --> 01:00:33,499 - I'll do it with you. 1077 01:00:33,586 --> 01:00:36,415 [energizing music] 1078 01:00:36,502 --> 01:00:37,808 - This has turned out to be a lot 1079 01:00:37,895 --> 01:00:39,287 of peoples favorite part of this movie, 1080 01:00:39,374 --> 01:00:41,289 especially straight guys really love this. 1081 01:00:41,376 --> 01:00:43,422 "Risky Business" had just come out and everybody 1082 01:00:43,509 --> 01:00:47,121 wanted me to be Tom Cruise, and I just wasn't. 1083 01:00:47,208 --> 01:00:49,733 [engaging music] 1084 01:00:57,349 --> 01:01:01,092 ♪ Let me hear you when you call my name ♪ 1085 01:01:01,179 --> 01:01:03,311 ♪ Til I finally believe you ♪ 1086 01:01:03,398 --> 01:01:06,271 ♪ I only want, I only want to please you ♪ 1087 01:01:06,358 --> 01:01:09,143 [pulsating music] 1088 01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:23,680 - If I knew then what I know now, well I would dance more 1089 01:01:23,767 --> 01:01:28,423 like Crispin Glover, electroshock therapy, but you know 1090 01:01:28,510 --> 01:01:31,209 I guess it's perfect, 'cause everybody loves it. 1091 01:01:32,601 --> 01:01:34,081 [pulsating music] 1092 01:01:34,168 --> 01:01:37,606 ♪ I would follow you into the night ♪ 1093 01:01:37,694 --> 01:01:41,480 ♪ I wanna hear you when you call my name ♪ 1094 01:01:41,567 --> 01:01:44,135 ♪ Til I finally believe you ♪ 1095 01:01:44,222 --> 01:01:47,312 ♪ I only want, I only want to please you ♪ 1096 01:01:47,399 --> 01:01:48,226 [crowd cheers] 1097 01:01:57,235 --> 01:01:57,844 [Pop] 1098 01:02:00,629 --> 01:02:03,632 [energetic music] 1099 01:02:31,443 --> 01:02:33,140 - [Cecil] After traveling the horror circuit 1100 01:02:33,227 --> 01:02:34,881 for the past year, Mark heads 1101 01:02:34,968 --> 01:02:37,710 to Fort Lauderdale for the grand finale. 1102 01:02:37,797 --> 01:02:41,409 The first ever "Freddy's Revenge" reunion. 1103 01:02:43,890 --> 01:02:45,152 - Welcome to Shock Pop 1104 01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:50,897 - It's just a big, it's a circus, it's a big circus. 1105 01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:58,600 I feel really, totally weird, I don't know why. 1106 01:02:58,687 --> 01:03:00,559 I feel very strange right now. 1107 01:03:00,646 --> 01:03:02,343 But like some of these people I haven't 1108 01:03:02,430 --> 01:03:06,565 seen in like a really long time, which is really weird. 1109 01:03:06,652 --> 01:03:10,221 [mixed greetings] 1110 01:03:10,308 --> 01:03:10,874 Good to see you. 1111 01:03:13,790 --> 01:03:14,747 Well none of us have changed. 1112 01:03:14,834 --> 01:03:15,617 We're all exactly the same. 1113 01:03:15,704 --> 01:03:16,749 - We all got pickled. 1114 01:03:18,882 --> 01:03:21,667 [engaging music] 1115 01:03:28,674 --> 01:03:31,416 [dramatic music] 1116 01:03:44,472 --> 01:03:46,257 You know Mr. Clu. 1117 01:03:46,344 --> 01:03:47,780 It's Mark, how are you? 1118 01:03:47,867 --> 01:03:48,868 - Oh how are you> 1119 01:03:48,955 --> 01:03:50,609 She said you were down here. 1120 01:03:50,696 --> 01:03:52,654 I want that room unpacked by tonight, young man. 1121 01:03:52,741 --> 01:03:54,395 - Okay dad, I promise. 1122 01:03:54,482 --> 01:03:57,398 See he's got the brains and I, of course, have the body. 1123 01:03:58,530 --> 01:03:59,966 And this is Ms. Joanne Willette. 1124 01:04:00,053 --> 01:04:01,315 She is the number one bitch on the-- 1125 01:04:01,402 --> 01:04:02,795 - I am the best bitch. 1126 01:04:02,882 --> 01:04:03,709 - [Patton] She is the best bitch-- 1127 01:04:03,796 --> 01:04:05,580 - In real life, too. 1128 01:04:07,887 --> 01:04:10,672 [dramatic music] 1129 01:04:20,769 --> 01:04:21,683 - You okay? 1130 01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:22,989 - Yeah, I'm fine. 1131 01:04:23,076 --> 01:04:25,949 - Wow, how are you? 1132 01:04:26,036 --> 01:04:26,993 - [Patton] Good. 1133 01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,777 - It's so great to see you. 1134 01:04:28,865 --> 01:04:31,345 - It's so great to see you too, you haven't changed a bit. 1135 01:04:31,432 --> 01:04:32,825 - You look pretty much the same. 1136 01:04:32,912 --> 01:04:35,001 - [Patton] Yeah we look all the same people. 1137 01:04:35,088 --> 01:04:37,656 - [Sholder] You have a little more mileage on you. 1138 01:04:37,743 --> 01:04:39,614 - Yeah. 1139 01:04:39,701 --> 01:04:40,441 There has never been "A Nightmare on Elm Street 2" reunion. 1140 01:04:42,095 --> 01:04:44,315 I have only spoken on stage with Robert one time 1141 01:04:44,402 --> 01:04:45,882 in my life and it was by accident. 1142 01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:50,843 When we're busy we don't get a lot 1143 01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:52,410 of time to talk to each other. 1144 01:04:52,497 --> 01:04:54,586 You're signing autographs the entire time. 1145 01:04:55,587 --> 01:04:57,894 It's like we don't have time to sit down and rumble. 1146 01:04:59,765 --> 01:05:00,809 You know, we don't have the time 1147 01:05:00,897 --> 01:05:02,681 to sit down and work things out. 1148 01:05:02,768 --> 01:05:05,771 [engaging music] 1149 01:05:19,828 --> 01:05:21,874 - [Announcer] You guys ready? 1150 01:05:21,961 --> 01:05:23,702 Are you guys ready? 1151 01:05:23,789 --> 01:05:24,921 They said, yes. 1152 01:05:25,008 --> 01:05:26,444 All right, let's start off with, 1153 01:05:26,531 --> 01:05:29,012 let's bring out the first off the director 1154 01:05:29,099 --> 01:05:32,537 of "Nightmare on Elm Street, Part Two, Freddy's Revenge", 1155 01:05:32,624 --> 01:05:34,713 let's hear it for Jack Sholder. 1156 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,020 [crowd cheers] 1157 01:05:37,107 --> 01:05:40,327 The star, the scream queen of this film, 1158 01:05:40,414 --> 01:05:42,590 Mr. Mark Patton, Jesse Walsh. 1159 01:05:42,677 --> 01:05:45,724 [crowd cheers] 1160 01:05:45,811 --> 01:05:50,033 - At a Q&A for Nightmare Two, I swear to God seven out 1161 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,470 of 10 times the first question is, 1162 01:05:52,557 --> 01:05:55,647 "did you know that this was a gay undertone film?" 1163 01:05:58,128 --> 01:06:01,087 And I usually just kind of break out with, but I didn't 1164 01:06:01,174 --> 01:06:04,917 mm-hmm, and I just try to have some fun with it. 1165 01:06:05,004 --> 01:06:06,658 - Hey, I have a question for Mark. 1166 01:06:06,745 --> 01:06:09,356 I read that you had a lot of problems with homophobia 1167 01:06:09,443 --> 01:06:11,619 in Hollywood, and I just wanted to know 1168 01:06:11,706 --> 01:06:16,711 if there was any pressure to act straight otherwise? 1169 01:06:17,582 --> 01:06:18,713 - For me it was terrifying. 1170 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,411 I wasn't an out, gay actor. 1171 01:06:20,498 --> 01:06:22,935 There wasn't any such thing as an out, gay actor then. 1172 01:06:23,022 --> 01:06:27,592 In 1985, Hollywood was very homophobic and very AIDS-phobic, 1173 01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:30,682 and when you signed a contract for a television series, 1174 01:06:30,769 --> 01:06:32,031 they gave you a blood test, 1175 01:06:32,118 --> 01:06:33,990 so if you were gay you were hiding. 1176 01:06:35,165 --> 01:06:37,994 [dramatic music] 1177 01:06:39,691 --> 01:06:41,519 - [Cecil] After the panel discussion, 1178 01:06:42,563 --> 01:06:45,001 Mark and the cast returned to their hotel to catch up. 1179 01:06:49,483 --> 01:06:51,790 - When they talk about the homosexuality of the film 1180 01:06:51,877 --> 01:06:55,968 the end of the sentence always is, Mark Patton, 1181 01:06:56,055 --> 01:06:58,710 an out, gay actor in Hollywood. 1182 01:06:58,797 --> 01:07:02,453 I was not an out, gay actor in Hollywood in 1985. 1183 01:07:02,540 --> 01:07:04,672 I was a 25-year-old young man working 1184 01:07:04,759 --> 01:07:05,978 very hard to have a career. 1185 01:07:06,065 --> 01:07:07,980 I'm now a 50-year-old man who's out 1186 01:07:08,067 --> 01:07:10,896 and I'm a gay activist, it's a big difference. 1187 01:07:12,202 --> 01:07:15,727 - This isn't about anybody's sexuality at all. 1188 01:07:15,814 --> 01:07:20,558 Through the subtext and the questions, and some of the stuff 1189 01:07:20,645 --> 01:07:24,083 that happened and evolved, you know, it was Jack, 1190 01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:27,652 and Michael, and Joel that I think realized that, 1191 01:07:27,739 --> 01:07:29,871 or maybe even sensed it, I'm not sure. 1192 01:07:29,958 --> 01:07:31,656 Jack, you'd know better than I. 1193 01:07:31,743 --> 01:07:33,658 - Well, I think a lot of this has 1194 01:07:33,745 --> 01:07:36,748 to do with the lens that you look at it. 1195 01:07:36,835 --> 01:07:38,663 I think there was kind of a perfect storm. 1196 01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:39,968 - I do too. 1197 01:07:40,056 --> 01:07:41,709 'Cause look, I was the director-- 1198 01:07:41,796 --> 01:07:43,450 - I agree. 1199 01:07:43,537 --> 01:07:45,148 - I was the director and I think about all this stuff, 1200 01:07:45,235 --> 01:07:49,674 and I think about story, and I had no fucking idea. 1201 01:07:49,761 --> 01:07:50,805 - Right. 1202 01:07:50,892 --> 01:07:52,198 - That there was this subtext, 1203 01:07:52,285 --> 01:07:53,678 but there were lots and lots of things. 1204 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,029 - [Patton] You filmed in one 1205 01:07:57,116 --> 01:07:58,161 of the biggest gay bars in Los Angeles. 1206 01:07:58,248 --> 01:07:59,118 - Oh, was that a gay bar? 1207 01:07:59,205 --> 01:08:00,641 - Yeah, oh my God yes. 1208 01:08:00,728 --> 01:08:01,990 - It was called "Toilet Bar." 1209 01:08:02,078 --> 01:08:03,122 - Yes. 1210 01:08:03,209 --> 01:08:04,689 - Jack, please don't play dumb. 1211 01:08:04,776 --> 01:08:05,733 - [Patton] It's the-- 1212 01:08:05,820 --> 01:08:06,691 - These guys didn't know. 1213 01:08:06,778 --> 01:08:07,692 - They didn't know. 1214 01:08:07,779 --> 01:08:08,736 They person that knew-- 1215 01:08:08,823 --> 01:08:10,695 I KNEW ON MY AUDITION! 1216 01:08:10,782 --> 01:08:12,740 [mixed speaking over arguments advance] 1217 01:08:12,827 --> 01:08:15,047 - No, I went and I scouted the bar, 1218 01:08:15,134 --> 01:08:17,702 because I wasn't thinking about these things. 1219 01:08:17,789 --> 01:08:19,530 [mixed arguments] 1220 01:08:19,617 --> 01:08:21,097 - [Rick] You didn't think about it though? 1221 01:08:21,184 --> 01:08:23,882 - And now that you mention it, I do remember, 1222 01:08:23,969 --> 01:08:27,146 I went and I scouted the bar when it was closed. 1223 01:08:27,233 --> 01:08:28,626 - That's right. 1224 01:08:28,713 --> 01:08:30,018 - I didn't see a whole bunch of gay guys. 1225 01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:32,108 - This was written not as a gay bar, 1226 01:08:32,195 --> 01:08:34,197 it was written as a transvestite bar. 1227 01:08:34,284 --> 01:08:35,676 - That's right. 1228 01:08:35,763 --> 01:08:37,069 - In the script, and they actually threw 1229 01:08:37,156 --> 01:08:39,637 kind of odd looking women in. 1230 01:08:41,595 --> 01:08:44,685 - So, while we were shooting the movie you always 1231 01:08:44,772 --> 01:08:46,861 seemed like you were slightly out of sorts. 1232 01:08:46,948 --> 01:08:48,950 That's kind of my recollection. 1233 01:08:49,037 --> 01:08:50,909 - You mean as far as-- 1234 01:08:50,996 --> 01:08:53,041 - [Sholder] You were just a little, cranky. 1235 01:08:55,653 --> 01:08:57,568 Cranky's not the right word. 1236 01:08:57,655 --> 01:08:59,700 I guess, slightly out of sorts. 1237 01:08:59,787 --> 01:09:02,007 You just didn't seem happy. 1238 01:09:02,094 --> 01:09:03,791 - I was very tired. 1239 01:09:03,878 --> 01:09:05,619 I was feeling a lot of pressure. 1240 01:09:05,706 --> 01:09:07,969 It gets around to the homosexual stuff all the time, 1241 01:09:08,056 --> 01:09:09,623 but here I was in this movie. 1242 01:09:09,710 --> 01:09:13,540 I was gay, my lover was sick, I wake up in the middle 1243 01:09:13,627 --> 01:09:15,629 of the first movie that I'm the lead actor in, 1244 01:09:15,716 --> 01:09:18,241 and realize that there's a gay subtext in it, 1245 01:09:18,328 --> 01:09:21,766 and my agents are waiting to see if I can play straight. 1246 01:09:21,853 --> 01:09:23,681 My agents went to watch the movie and they were like, 1247 01:09:23,768 --> 01:09:25,770 yeah you can carry a movie but we're gonna have to make 1248 01:09:25,857 --> 01:09:28,729 you a character actor because you can't play straight. 1249 01:09:29,730 --> 01:09:32,124 And the minute I heard that, I heard everyone 1250 01:09:32,211 --> 01:09:34,735 that had ever called me a faggot in my life, 1251 01:09:34,822 --> 01:09:38,696 at the top of my lungs, and I was like, I can't do this. 1252 01:09:42,090 --> 01:09:44,615 - You know, I sensed that there was a resentment 1253 01:09:44,702 --> 01:09:47,618 that was built from you, and I wanna ask you-- 1254 01:09:47,705 --> 01:09:48,793 - What made me so mad? 1255 01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:49,881 Where the resentment came from? 1256 01:09:49,968 --> 01:09:51,187 - Yeah, what pissed you off? 1257 01:09:52,362 --> 01:09:54,015 - Everything that you see me doing in 1258 01:09:54,102 --> 01:09:56,583 "Nightmare on Elm Street" is written in the script. 1259 01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:59,978 David, when he was asked over the course of all these years, 1260 01:10:00,065 --> 01:10:02,720 did you write this movie as a gay movie, he said, no. 1261 01:10:04,112 --> 01:10:07,855 David went out of his way to say that it was me. 1262 01:10:08,769 --> 01:10:10,075 Do you know what I mean? 1263 01:10:10,162 --> 01:10:11,207 He would say, no, I didn't do this. 1264 01:10:11,294 --> 01:10:12,773 Mark, the actor did this. 1265 01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:15,123 - Okay, but he was saying that you did what? 1266 01:10:15,211 --> 01:10:17,082 - That I had made the movie gay. 1267 01:10:18,257 --> 01:10:20,041 I got a stick up my ass against David 1268 01:10:20,128 --> 01:10:22,130 when I read this stuff because I thought, 1269 01:10:22,218 --> 01:10:25,699 you know what, this is seriously cruel stuff. 1270 01:10:30,748 --> 01:10:34,186 [energetic horror music] 1271 01:10:53,771 --> 01:10:55,294 - [Cecil] After an eye-opening chat 1272 01:10:55,381 --> 01:10:57,818 around the fire, Jack was waiting for Mark 1273 01:10:57,905 --> 01:10:59,951 at the convention the next morning. 1274 01:11:01,866 --> 01:11:03,824 - Well, I mean this is stuff that I probably would have 1275 01:11:03,911 --> 01:11:06,653 said last night if it occurred to me. 1276 01:11:06,740 --> 01:11:10,701 There's one aspect of this that I've gotten an insight from, 1277 01:11:10,788 --> 01:11:13,138 because I didn't really know who the hell you were. 1278 01:11:14,792 --> 01:11:16,402 At call time I saw you and at wrap I said goodbye, 1279 01:11:16,489 --> 01:11:20,101 that was it, but it's been a really good 1280 01:11:20,188 --> 01:11:22,713 experience for me to get to know you. 1281 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,934 Your life I think, there will always be a level of turmoil, 1282 01:11:27,021 --> 01:11:29,372 because you have some conflict in your life-- 1283 01:11:29,459 --> 01:11:31,199 - [Patton] But we all do. 1284 01:11:31,287 --> 01:11:35,116 - Yeah, but I think you may have a little more than others, 1285 01:11:35,203 --> 01:11:37,162 and I'm sure when you're referring to the dark side 1286 01:11:37,249 --> 01:11:39,904 that there's a lot of hate mail and a lot of bad stuff 1287 01:11:39,991 --> 01:11:42,385 that would be very hard for anyone to live with, 1288 01:11:43,386 --> 01:11:45,823 which is part of celebrity. 1289 01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:48,129 It's just, it struck me last night that you were getting 1290 01:11:48,216 --> 01:11:51,872 a little too wrapped up in the David thing, 1291 01:11:51,959 --> 01:11:55,920 and your whole thing about that just struck me as odd. 1292 01:11:56,007 --> 01:11:57,008 - Odd in what way? 1293 01:11:57,095 --> 01:11:58,488 - The movie was 30 years ago, 1294 01:11:58,575 --> 01:12:00,316 and you're still pissed off at Dave Chaskin. 1295 01:12:02,361 --> 01:12:05,712 You had a goal in your life which was to be a movie star 1296 01:12:05,799 --> 01:12:09,890 and you sort of got there, and then you chose to not, 1297 01:12:09,977 --> 01:12:13,764 and so, you know why, and there's gotta be a reason, 1298 01:12:13,851 --> 01:12:17,333 and I think you put a lot of stuff on David. 1299 01:12:19,204 --> 01:12:23,077 I mean, the way it came out maybe wasn't that good. 1300 01:12:23,164 --> 01:12:24,775 But it's not about you. 1301 01:12:24,862 --> 01:12:27,908 It's not about you at all and what I wanted to say is 1302 01:12:29,083 --> 01:12:30,998 I think it's time that you just let it go. 1303 01:12:31,085 --> 01:12:34,262 It's over, it's done, and I think, that's 1304 01:12:34,350 --> 01:12:36,439 the perspective that I wanted to give you. 1305 01:12:36,526 --> 01:12:39,050 - I don't know anything about David. 1306 01:12:39,137 --> 01:12:40,965 The point is he didn't admit his intention 1307 01:12:41,052 --> 01:12:43,794 back when it wasn't acceptable to be gay, 1308 01:12:43,881 --> 01:12:46,927 then when people started to notice his subtext 1309 01:12:47,014 --> 01:12:49,800 he denied it, and instead he pointed the finger at me. 1310 01:12:51,018 --> 01:12:52,890 Now that it's becoming an interesting thing, 1311 01:12:52,977 --> 01:12:55,414 he's owning it, he wants to take credit for it. 1312 01:12:57,024 --> 01:12:59,157 Now everybody's having a great time with this. 1313 01:12:59,244 --> 01:13:02,029 Meanwhile, I'm being called fag a 100 times a day. 1314 01:13:05,859 --> 01:13:10,342 David didn't come to this convention because of me. 1315 01:13:10,429 --> 01:13:11,778 The reason he's not here is because 1316 01:13:11,865 --> 01:13:13,519 he doesn't wanna have this conversation. 1317 01:13:17,131 --> 01:13:20,004 This is not all about David and it never has been 1318 01:13:20,091 --> 01:13:23,921 all about David, 'cause it really is about me, 1319 01:13:24,008 --> 01:13:25,923 and it's about people like me. 1320 01:13:27,620 --> 01:13:29,492 I talk to young people and say look, you're standing 1321 01:13:29,579 --> 01:13:32,364 on the shoulders of a lot of different people. 1322 01:13:32,451 --> 01:13:33,539 Know your history. 1323 01:13:34,540 --> 01:13:36,499 Don't forget your history. 1324 01:13:36,586 --> 01:13:39,197 I'm just reminding the generation that's here 1325 01:13:39,284 --> 01:13:42,113 that this is what happened in 1985. 1326 01:13:43,027 --> 01:13:45,377 - One of the first things that like really 1327 01:13:45,464 --> 01:13:48,032 offered escape for me was horror movies, 1328 01:13:48,119 --> 01:13:50,861 and I don't really know why but for me, 1329 01:13:50,948 --> 01:13:53,080 and I think part of it was being a sissy, 1330 01:13:53,167 --> 01:13:56,519 and getting bullied, there was sort of this otherness 1331 01:13:56,606 --> 01:13:59,870 in certain horror movies that identified with. 1332 01:13:59,957 --> 01:14:01,524 I think one of the best things about this movie 1333 01:14:01,611 --> 01:14:03,177 is that I think a lot of people in this room, 1334 01:14:03,264 --> 01:14:05,484 it was kind of our first gay movie, 1335 01:14:05,571 --> 01:14:08,356 but we didn't know it at the time. 1336 01:14:08,444 --> 01:14:09,923 - For many queer people this was probably 1337 01:14:10,010 --> 01:14:12,535 their first look inside of a gay bar, 1338 01:14:12,622 --> 01:14:15,102 their first look at an S&M culture. 1339 01:14:16,495 --> 01:14:19,933 - Coach Schneider in the shower, you know strapped up, 1340 01:14:20,020 --> 01:14:22,501 you know, whipped with a towel, 1341 01:14:22,588 --> 01:14:27,550 that was some beginnings for a lot of us. 1342 01:14:27,637 --> 01:14:30,074 - You know we were used to so much female nudity 1343 01:14:30,161 --> 01:14:31,945 in horror movies or even kind of any movies. 1344 01:14:32,032 --> 01:14:33,643 - Any movies. 1345 01:14:33,730 --> 01:14:35,514 - Adult comedies at the time, that to actually see 1346 01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:39,387 nude men as a gay teenager, it was 1347 01:14:39,475 --> 01:14:41,651 like wow, that's kind of cool, you know. 1348 01:14:42,652 --> 01:14:45,002 - Being a kid who grew up in the 80s, like, 1349 01:14:45,089 --> 01:14:47,961 you know homophobia was the norm. 1350 01:14:48,048 --> 01:14:49,528 - I have this nightmare that I go to Hollywood 1351 01:14:49,615 --> 01:14:52,052 and find out that Mr. T. Is a faggot. 1352 01:14:52,139 --> 01:14:53,576 - Wait a minute, are you gonna tell me you're a fag, 1353 01:14:53,663 --> 01:14:55,012 I mean if you're gonna tell me you're a fag, 1354 01:14:55,099 --> 01:14:56,883 I don't think I can handle it. 1355 01:14:56,970 --> 01:15:01,279 - In the 80s, I mean you had kid's movies saying faggot 1356 01:15:01,366 --> 01:15:04,108 and fag, I mean it was just awful. 1357 01:15:04,195 --> 01:15:05,936 - Thor's my hero. 1358 01:15:06,023 --> 01:15:07,067 - Thor's a homo. 1359 01:15:07,154 --> 01:15:08,112 - Just answer me one question. 1360 01:15:08,199 --> 01:15:09,940 - Yes, you're a total fag. 1361 01:15:10,027 --> 01:15:12,116 - What'd you say faggot, what'd you say? 1362 01:15:12,203 --> 01:15:14,205 - You're a faggot Blaine. 1363 01:15:14,292 --> 01:15:15,162 - [Girl] Fag! 1364 01:15:15,249 --> 01:15:18,557 [group jeers and laughs] 1365 01:15:18,644 --> 01:15:22,126 - Homosexuality was treated like the plague, 1366 01:15:22,213 --> 01:15:24,998 like, you were like a vampire so stay away from me. 1367 01:15:25,085 --> 01:15:27,610 - Fags in the shower, fags in the shower, 1368 01:15:27,697 --> 01:15:29,437 fag alert, fag alert, fag alert everyone. 1369 01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:33,050 - And that's the comedy, that's the joke [drum tap] 1370 01:15:33,137 --> 01:15:36,270 - Nobody was making films really for minority audiences 1371 01:15:36,357 --> 01:15:38,621 at the time, and this is the thing about queer spectators. 1372 01:15:38,708 --> 01:15:42,494 I think all of us, we learned to be scavengers. 1373 01:15:42,581 --> 01:15:44,235 The fact that this film has become 1374 01:15:44,322 --> 01:15:46,629 a kind of cult object is fascinating. 1375 01:15:46,716 --> 01:15:48,631 Part of the hallmark of queer viewing is that maybe 1376 01:15:48,718 --> 01:15:51,590 we will forget about the ending of the film and just enjoy 1377 01:15:51,677 --> 01:15:55,246 the section in which the queer monster run amok. 1378 01:15:57,248 --> 01:15:59,685 - "Nightmare on Elm Street 2" was on of the first films 1379 01:15:59,772 --> 01:16:04,690 I saw that I thought was relatable to me. 1380 01:16:04,777 --> 01:16:08,651 It made me feel a little less alone. 1381 01:16:08,738 --> 01:16:10,653 I could relate to Jesse. 1382 01:16:10,740 --> 01:16:12,437 - And that was the first time that I saw 1383 01:16:12,524 --> 01:16:16,659 that the hero of the movie be a sissy boy, a Nancy boy. 1384 01:16:16,746 --> 01:16:19,662 - I mean, Mark Patton was probably my first crush. 1385 01:16:19,749 --> 01:16:22,621 He was my first, like boyfriend. 1386 01:16:22,708 --> 01:16:24,318 - And he was facing problems that 1387 01:16:24,405 --> 01:16:27,974 nobody else around him could understand, and somehow 1388 01:16:28,061 --> 01:16:31,543 he showed some strength dealing with those problems, 1389 01:16:31,630 --> 01:16:35,591 so he's somehow kind of a hero to me. 1390 01:16:37,288 --> 01:16:40,596 - Having any secret, being gay, transgender, 1391 01:16:40,683 --> 01:16:45,296 any sort of internal conflict can be so real and so violent, 1392 01:16:47,559 --> 01:16:49,126 - And that's part of the genius about it. 1393 01:16:49,213 --> 01:16:53,086 I mean whether it was intentional or not, it works. 1394 01:16:53,173 --> 01:16:55,393 - You know, I was sort of adverse to gay stuff growing up, 1395 01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:58,657 and this was a movie that sort of snuck in under the radar, 1396 01:16:58,744 --> 01:17:02,705 and then really enjoying it on that level, 1397 01:17:02,792 --> 01:17:06,273 and coming out myself shortly afterwards. 1398 01:17:07,492 --> 01:17:10,060 You know, this was an important movie to me. 1399 01:17:10,147 --> 01:17:12,236 - It's great that it's in an iconic franchise 1400 01:17:12,323 --> 01:17:16,588 that another 10-year-old somewhere, somehow can find, 1401 01:17:16,675 --> 01:17:18,764 and it will have the same effect on them, 1402 01:17:18,851 --> 01:17:21,680 that they might not be able to see the gay movies, 1403 01:17:21,767 --> 01:17:24,030 or the gay TV shows, but parents 1404 01:17:24,117 --> 01:17:26,642 might let a Freddy movie fall through the cracks. 1405 01:17:28,687 --> 01:17:32,169 - You know, I think one of the reasons so many young queers 1406 01:17:32,256 --> 01:17:36,173 identify with those scream queens of final girls 1407 01:17:36,260 --> 01:17:39,480 is because they fought back against the bully, 1408 01:17:39,567 --> 01:17:42,614 and that was what we were dealing with everyday in school. 1409 01:17:42,701 --> 01:17:44,660 - Even at 10, I was kinda like I wanna be 1410 01:17:44,747 --> 01:17:47,097 in one of those movies but I wanna be her. 1411 01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:49,403 I wanna be the one that kicks Freddy's butt at the end, 1412 01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:51,449 and they were always the strongest ones. 1413 01:17:51,536 --> 01:17:53,625 You know, they were great to look up to at the time. 1414 01:17:53,712 --> 01:17:56,584 - I was bullied, and to me, Nightmare 1415 01:17:57,237 --> 01:17:59,631 was about beating your bullies. 1416 01:17:59,718 --> 01:18:02,286 - I mean right away, off the bat, Freddy driving the bus, 1417 01:18:02,373 --> 01:18:05,376 Freddy's the biggest bully in the world, right? 1418 01:18:05,463 --> 01:18:06,812 - How do you beat a bully? 1419 01:18:06,899 --> 01:18:08,596 You show you're not afraid of 'em anymore 1420 01:18:08,684 --> 01:18:11,774 and that's what Nancy does to take away Freddy's power. 1421 01:18:11,861 --> 01:18:14,254 - You have to face that monster head on, 1422 01:18:14,341 --> 01:18:16,517 and if you don't face that monster head on, 1423 01:18:16,604 --> 01:18:19,520 then how are you ever gonna make a difference in this world? 1424 01:18:19,607 --> 01:18:23,307 [engaging dramatic music] 1425 01:18:30,531 --> 01:18:32,751 - Well, we're going to see David Chaskin. 1426 01:18:34,405 --> 01:18:39,410 This is the one moment that I never really expected. 1427 01:18:40,367 --> 01:18:42,413 I never thought David would sit down for this. 1428 01:18:44,284 --> 01:18:46,678 I just don't really want a generic apology. 1429 01:18:46,765 --> 01:18:50,595 I want him to really understand what he actually has done. 1430 01:18:54,642 --> 01:18:58,821 I'm hoping for like a really nice, sort of atonement, 1431 01:18:58,908 --> 01:19:03,521 and amends, and like we can hug each other 1432 01:19:03,608 --> 01:19:05,131 and walk way from the whole thing, 1433 01:19:05,218 --> 01:19:07,743 and he doesn't have to get tarred and feathered. 1434 01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:12,878 But just in case, I do have a cauldron in my bag with me. 1435 01:19:12,965 --> 01:19:16,708 [engaging dramatic music] 1436 01:20:11,023 --> 01:20:15,898 - I'm trying to put the times in perspective here. 1437 01:20:15,985 --> 01:20:20,990 Most people at the time, it was just a horror movie 1438 01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,212 and I think what you first saw were a lot of people 1439 01:20:26,299 --> 01:20:28,475 that just said, I don't like it. 1440 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,566 I love the idea that people are rediscovering it, 1441 01:20:32,653 --> 01:20:35,221 and saying, you know there's some stuff here. 1442 01:20:36,440 --> 01:20:38,094 - Well, I find it really interesting 1443 01:20:38,181 --> 01:20:40,966 that over the course of 30 years you're denying this. 1444 01:20:41,053 --> 01:20:42,489 - That I denied-- 1445 01:20:42,576 --> 01:20:44,665 - That you had written this as a gay movie. 1446 01:20:44,752 --> 01:20:46,580 You would say, well it was subtext. 1447 01:20:46,667 --> 01:20:47,973 - [David] Yeah. 1448 01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:50,541 - But at first you denied any subtext 1449 01:20:51,585 --> 01:20:55,720 and then you decided to get out from underneath it, 1450 01:20:55,807 --> 01:20:57,548 and you took the attention off yourself 1451 01:20:57,635 --> 01:20:59,550 and you placed it on somebody else. 1452 01:21:00,986 --> 01:21:02,945 Everybody knew that it was a gay movie. 1453 01:21:03,032 --> 01:21:07,427 I mean, it had been discussed in the press, quite a bit. 1454 01:21:07,514 --> 01:21:08,994 - Oh, I gave an interview five years ago 1455 01:21:09,081 --> 01:21:11,954 where I admitted it, it was to a website, but-- 1456 01:21:12,041 --> 01:21:15,566 - Yeah, I actually have a couple of your interviews 1457 01:21:15,653 --> 01:21:17,829 that like when you ask me-- 1458 01:21:17,916 --> 01:21:19,526 - This is where I get haunted-- 1459 01:21:19,613 --> 01:21:22,616 - But yeah, it is haunting. 1460 01:21:22,703 --> 01:21:24,836 There's a quote that you have and I'm just going 1461 01:21:24,923 --> 01:21:26,969 to sort of give it to you off the cuff. 1462 01:21:27,056 --> 01:21:29,710 You didn't write the movie as a homoerotic movie, 1463 01:21:29,797 --> 01:21:32,888 you wrote it as a homophobic movie, the type of movie 1464 01:21:32,975 --> 01:21:35,716 that they should show at a conversion camp, 1465 01:21:36,935 --> 01:21:39,982 that the love a good woman can make any gay man straight. 1466 01:21:40,069 --> 01:21:41,897 - Well that was a joke-- 1467 01:21:41,984 --> 01:21:44,464 - And well, I'm just telling you what it was. 1468 01:21:44,551 --> 01:21:45,988 This is what is says, okay. 1469 01:21:47,424 --> 01:21:49,382 At the end of this particular article 1470 01:21:49,469 --> 01:21:52,429 you say it was supposed to be subtext, 1471 01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:56,912 but then casting ruined that. 1472 01:21:58,957 --> 01:22:00,437 You're talking about me. 1473 01:22:01,655 --> 01:22:03,527 I have issues with a lot of this stuff 1474 01:22:03,614 --> 01:22:07,792 because I was only doing what I was told to do. 1475 01:22:08,575 --> 01:22:10,621 - It was a funky chicken number if I remember. 1476 01:22:10,708 --> 01:22:12,318 - Actually it says that I close 1477 01:22:12,405 --> 01:22:14,973 the drawer with my ass in the script, and-- 1478 01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:17,541 - But you also have pencils sticked up your nose. 1479 01:22:17,628 --> 01:22:19,369 That was in it-- 1480 01:22:19,456 --> 01:22:22,633 - Right, there is somebody that all that stuff got thrown 1481 01:22:23,460 --> 01:22:25,723 on, and the person that it got thrown on was me. 1482 01:22:25,810 --> 01:22:28,595 - I do remember this, very, very specifically. 1483 01:22:28,682 --> 01:22:31,337 I remember that you didn't wanna do that scene 1484 01:22:31,424 --> 01:22:32,991 the way it was with the pencils in your nose 1485 01:22:33,078 --> 01:22:34,471 and all that other stuff, 1486 01:22:34,558 --> 01:22:35,602 so Jack said, "well what do you wanna do," 1487 01:22:35,689 --> 01:22:37,387 and you said, "I can dance." 1488 01:22:37,474 --> 01:22:39,693 - What I recall about that dance scene, 1489 01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:42,740 at the end of that dance scene was people applauding. 1490 01:22:42,827 --> 01:22:44,046 Nobody directed me and pulled 1491 01:22:44,133 --> 01:22:47,745 me over and said this doesn't work. 1492 01:22:49,051 --> 01:22:51,053 It's the same way with this scream. 1493 01:22:51,140 --> 01:22:54,056 You know, nobody ever pulled me aside and said, 1494 01:22:54,143 --> 01:22:57,015 you know what I don't think this scream is such a good idea. 1495 01:22:58,016 --> 01:22:59,844 - Wasn't it Jack's job? 1496 01:22:59,931 --> 01:23:01,759 - It was Jack's job, yeah. 1497 01:23:01,846 --> 01:23:04,631 - See, I never wrote he screams like woman. 1498 01:23:04,718 --> 01:23:06,111 You know what I mean? 1499 01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,334 - You know, when I heard you to begin to talk about 1500 01:23:11,421 --> 01:23:15,947 the subtext, your subtext inside of the film, the first 1501 01:23:16,034 --> 01:23:18,906 question that I wanted to ask you was why? 1502 01:23:18,994 --> 01:23:20,908 Because I didn't understand it at all. 1503 01:23:21,735 --> 01:23:26,566 It was a very dangerous move to pull. 1504 01:23:26,653 --> 01:23:29,395 - First of all, you have to understand 1505 01:23:29,482 --> 01:23:33,704 the context of the times, I was in New York, 1506 01:23:34,879 --> 01:23:38,926 starting in 1978, I had never met 1507 01:23:39,014 --> 01:23:42,974 in my life an out of the closet gay. 1508 01:23:43,061 --> 01:23:47,500 Coming out in the 80s was a scary thing, I'm sure. 1509 01:23:47,587 --> 01:23:51,156 It's gotta be because nobody, not only do you have 1510 01:23:51,243 --> 01:23:52,636 to deal with your parents, you gotta deal 1511 01:23:52,723 --> 01:23:55,639 with your straight friends, and it just 1512 01:23:55,726 --> 01:23:58,424 wasn't something that people talked about. 1513 01:23:58,511 --> 01:24:03,516 It just seemed like a very visceral, animal thing 1514 01:24:04,561 --> 01:24:08,565 that's not controllable and that would infiltrate 1515 01:24:09,653 --> 01:24:12,047 somebody's mind, and it's just another thing to worry about. 1516 01:24:13,265 --> 01:24:15,746 Because of what was happening, because of the AIDS thing, 1517 01:24:15,833 --> 01:24:17,661 and the AIDS thing made it even worse. 1518 01:24:17,748 --> 01:24:19,837 I mean what if I do this, and what if I get AIDS, 1519 01:24:19,924 --> 01:24:24,929 and it just seemed like it would add to the horror 1520 01:24:29,673 --> 01:24:33,024 in a sense, maybe it was a little exploitative, 1521 01:24:33,111 --> 01:24:37,115 but you know, that's what movies do, they manipulate people. 1522 01:24:38,334 --> 01:24:41,511 And that's why I wanted to make it as subtle as possible. 1523 01:24:41,598 --> 01:24:43,208 I mean subtext's supposed to be subtext. 1524 01:24:43,295 --> 01:24:45,167 It's supposed to stay down there and I think it did 1525 01:24:45,254 --> 01:24:47,734 until people started really analyzing stuff. 1526 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:53,479 I don't know if it's something that you feel 1527 01:24:55,699 --> 01:24:57,788 that I shouldn't have done, I don't know. 1528 01:24:59,224 --> 01:25:00,921 I'm not gonna say I haven't made mistakes. 1529 01:25:01,008 --> 01:25:04,011 I'm not gonna say I haven't said things that I've regretted. 1530 01:25:05,622 --> 01:25:06,666 - You did. 1531 01:25:06,753 --> 01:25:08,973 - But I hope you can forgive me 1532 01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:16,285 for any perceived or, it wasn't intentional. 1533 01:25:17,242 --> 01:25:22,595 Certainly, I don't want to promote homophobia 1534 01:25:26,991 --> 01:25:29,211 but I do want to point it out. 1535 01:25:29,298 --> 01:25:32,562 - Right, first of all I wanna say thank you, 1536 01:25:32,649 --> 01:25:37,001 and that was the only thing I wanted 1537 01:25:37,088 --> 01:25:41,092 from this entire experience, what you just did. 1538 01:25:41,179 --> 01:25:45,879 I wanted somebody to say that if I was 1539 01:25:45,966 --> 01:25:48,969 hurt by it that they were sorry. 1540 01:25:50,319 --> 01:25:55,019 You know, and you're the only person who has done that. 1541 01:25:55,933 --> 01:25:58,588 I don't want people to think you're homophobic 1542 01:25:58,675 --> 01:26:00,764 because I think that would make me a bully. 1543 01:26:03,332 --> 01:26:06,726 My intention is not to harm you in any way. 1544 01:26:06,813 --> 01:26:10,687 - I know and I'm really glad we're able to do this. 1545 01:26:11,862 --> 01:26:13,646 I wish we could've done it in Florida. 1546 01:26:13,733 --> 01:26:15,953 - It really meant the world to me. 1547 01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,737 I don't really think it would've been possible 1548 01:26:17,824 --> 01:26:19,174 in Florida to be honest with you. 1549 01:26:19,261 --> 01:26:20,914 - Really? 1550 01:26:21,001 --> 01:26:23,090 - No, I think it probably need to happen like this, 1551 01:26:23,178 --> 01:26:27,617 you know, just me and you, because ultimately in the end 1552 01:26:27,704 --> 01:26:29,314 this really is all about me and you. 1553 01:26:30,881 --> 01:26:32,839 You know, you wrote it and I played it. 1554 01:26:35,233 --> 01:26:38,062 I got what I wanted out of this ultimately, you know, 1555 01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:41,761 which was I got an apology from David Chaskin. 1556 01:26:41,848 --> 01:26:44,590 When I got to the part where it became very vulnerable 1557 01:26:44,677 --> 01:26:47,811 for me, he sat there and listened, 1558 01:26:47,898 --> 01:26:50,161 and he didn't try to interrupt me, 1559 01:26:50,248 --> 01:26:53,164 and talk me out of what I was saying. 1560 01:26:53,251 --> 01:26:56,036 I said things to him that I don't think 1561 01:26:56,123 --> 01:26:59,170 that I had been able to articulate in my mind, 1562 01:26:59,257 --> 01:27:02,086 but I just wanted one of them to say there were sorry. 1563 01:27:03,957 --> 01:27:06,743 I think that's a great thing about apologizing, 1564 01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:09,006 and doing, and investigating, and talking to people 1565 01:27:09,093 --> 01:27:11,965 is that really is where the healing comes. 1566 01:27:12,052 --> 01:27:14,751 [engaging music] 1567 01:27:19,886 --> 01:27:23,977 The reason that I began this process, this whole process, 1568 01:27:24,064 --> 01:27:27,111 really, I was angry at David, I did blame David. 1569 01:27:27,198 --> 01:27:30,767 I felt like he was responsible for, 1570 01:27:31,463 --> 01:27:33,204 I guess I made him responsible for a lot 1571 01:27:33,291 --> 01:27:35,685 of things that he wasn't responsible for. 1572 01:27:35,772 --> 01:27:38,078 He's not responsible for AIDS. 1573 01:27:38,165 --> 01:27:40,690 He's not responsible for homophobia in Hollywood. 1574 01:27:40,777 --> 01:27:42,387 He's not responsible for 14-year-old boys 1575 01:27:42,474 --> 01:27:45,260 sitting in the dark, calling people faggots. 1576 01:27:46,304 --> 01:27:47,740 David's not responsible for that. 1577 01:27:47,827 --> 01:27:51,178 But I did bring all of that energy 1578 01:27:51,266 --> 01:27:53,050 and he became my focal point. 1579 01:27:56,227 --> 01:27:58,229 I did hang the blame on him 1580 01:27:58,316 --> 01:28:01,363 and I'm certainly glad now that I don't. 1581 01:28:01,450 --> 01:28:04,409 [engaging music] 1582 01:28:07,978 --> 01:28:11,286 I've had a great amount of healing I think around this. 1583 01:28:11,373 --> 01:28:13,200 Like, I've let go of a lot of things. 1584 01:28:16,073 --> 01:28:19,294 But, I also have realized what I gave up 1585 01:28:20,469 --> 01:28:25,038 in this world, and I gave up a lot. 1586 01:28:26,518 --> 01:28:31,741 I did ask God, as I understood God, I did say why me? 1587 01:28:34,352 --> 01:28:35,962 Why did this happen to me? 1588 01:28:37,442 --> 01:28:40,097 I heard the voice of my own spirit or my own God 1589 01:28:40,184 --> 01:28:42,926 saying to me, look, I made you famous 1590 01:28:44,449 --> 01:28:45,972 and then I made you not famous. 1591 01:28:46,973 --> 01:28:49,106 I let you get sick and I let you do it in private 1592 01:28:49,193 --> 01:28:51,804 because you could've never done it in public. 1593 01:28:51,891 --> 01:28:54,938 You could never handle AIDS in public. 1594 01:28:55,025 --> 01:28:57,941 It would have been way too humiliating for you. 1595 01:28:58,028 --> 01:28:59,551 If I would've started taking the medicine 1596 01:28:59,638 --> 01:29:02,859 earlier the medicine would've killed me, right. 1597 01:29:03,903 --> 01:29:07,472 And then, as soon as you got well, sitting on a dirt road 1598 01:29:07,559 --> 01:29:09,909 in Mexico, I made you famous again, 1599 01:29:11,302 --> 01:29:14,044 and I gave you a rock to stand on and a story to tell. 1600 01:29:14,131 --> 01:29:15,741 So, you get on the rock and you tell 1601 01:29:15,828 --> 01:29:18,048 the story and that's what your job is. 1602 01:29:19,832 --> 01:29:21,094 My generation's gone. 1603 01:29:22,531 --> 01:29:24,489 I have no friends my age. 1604 01:29:28,928 --> 01:29:30,756 I want people to know their history. 1605 01:29:33,455 --> 01:29:37,284 I want to them at least hear from somebody that the way 1606 01:29:37,372 --> 01:29:40,810 the world is now, it wasn't this way five minutes ago. 1607 01:29:40,897 --> 01:29:43,378 [whistles blow] 1608 01:29:47,382 --> 01:29:50,341 They need to know what happened, and we need to keep 1609 01:29:50,428 --> 01:29:52,474 telling them, because if we don't keep telling them 1610 01:29:52,561 --> 01:29:53,953 there are a whole lot of people 1611 01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,260 that would like to put them back in a box, 1612 01:29:56,347 --> 01:29:59,263 and put them back in their place where they belong. 1613 01:29:59,350 --> 01:30:02,092 [dramatic music] 1614 01:30:06,575 --> 01:30:08,794 The world has changed since 1985, 1615 01:30:08,881 --> 01:30:10,840 and you know why the world has changed? 1616 01:30:10,927 --> 01:30:13,799 It's changed because of people like me, who stand up 1617 01:30:13,886 --> 01:30:16,019 and tell their story, and say look, this is what happened 1618 01:30:16,106 --> 01:30:19,501 to me, and I will be God damned 1619 01:30:19,588 --> 01:30:21,938 if I'll let it happen to another person. 1620 01:30:22,025 --> 01:30:24,854 [inspiring music] 1621 01:30:45,091 --> 01:30:48,268 This being the gay film, at Halloween, 1622 01:30:48,355 --> 01:30:50,445 I'm always gonna make the scream queen list. 1623 01:30:50,532 --> 01:30:53,230 I'm, and do I like that? 1624 01:30:53,317 --> 01:30:56,973 Do I like being identified forever and ever 1625 01:30:57,060 --> 01:30:59,584 as a scream queen, as a gay movie, that's mine, 1626 01:30:59,671 --> 01:31:02,065 that's it, that's my title, that's who I am. 1627 01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:04,720 Like the worst thing that you can 1628 01:31:04,807 --> 01:31:08,550 say to me is I'm a girl, you scream like a girl. 1629 01:31:08,637 --> 01:31:09,986 And I always say, what's so bad about screaming 1630 01:31:10,073 --> 01:31:12,249 like a girl, it made me rich and famous. 1631 01:31:14,469 --> 01:31:16,166 I used to say I take the bricks that people throw 1632 01:31:16,253 --> 01:31:18,429 at me and I build a firm foundation with them, 1633 01:31:18,516 --> 01:31:20,213 and that's what I've done with "Nightmare on Elm Street". 1634 01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:22,912 Now, like over the course of the last five years, 1635 01:31:22,999 --> 01:31:25,523 it's like really, like you've seen what's happened. 1636 01:31:25,610 --> 01:31:27,612 Now you type in, Mark Patton gay, and it's like 1637 01:31:27,699 --> 01:31:31,355 Mark Patton is a social activist who is a horror, 1638 01:31:31,442 --> 01:31:33,531 like a leader in the horror community 1639 01:31:33,618 --> 01:31:36,447 and all this kind of stuff, and it's all nice, 1640 01:31:36,534 --> 01:31:38,884 and the creepy stuff is buried way down. 1641 01:31:38,971 --> 01:31:41,583 It doesn't lead with the creepy stuff. 1642 01:31:41,670 --> 01:31:43,585 You have to start digging for the creepy stuff. 1643 01:31:43,672 --> 01:31:45,935 - Yeah, if you don't like the dialogue, change it. 1644 01:31:46,022 --> 01:31:51,027 - I changed the conversation on "Nightmare on Elm Street", 1645 01:31:52,028 --> 01:31:55,466 and I wanted to save Jesse and I saved him. 1646 01:31:55,553 --> 01:31:58,469 So I have to proud of it because it's my baby, 1647 01:31:58,556 --> 01:32:00,384 and right now he's the favorite one, 1648 01:32:00,471 --> 01:32:02,299 and so, of course I'm proud of it. 1649 01:32:02,386 --> 01:32:04,301 You know, this is my creation. 1650 01:32:04,388 --> 01:32:06,912 [crowd cheers] 1651 01:32:11,656 --> 01:32:14,616 [man screams] 1652 01:32:14,703 --> 01:32:18,402 [crowd whistles and cheers] 1653 01:32:22,580 --> 01:32:24,495 - When "A Nightmare on Elm Street", the first one came out 1654 01:32:24,582 --> 01:32:27,019 and a lot of the world has Heather, but to all 1655 01:32:27,106 --> 01:32:30,240 of the gay fans of horror, we have Jesse. 1656 01:32:30,327 --> 01:32:32,068 [crowd cheers] 1657 01:32:32,155 --> 01:32:35,288 - All of these other people can say whatever they want to, 1658 01:32:35,375 --> 01:32:38,161 this is about those boys who are sitting in a room, 1659 01:32:38,248 --> 01:32:40,555 they looked up at the screen and they saw themselves. 1660 01:32:40,642 --> 01:32:43,558 [engaging music] 1661 01:33:12,761 --> 01:33:17,374 This is my testimony that you can live through 1662 01:33:17,461 --> 01:33:21,987 it all and you can watch it happen, and they can 1663 01:33:22,074 --> 01:33:24,250 throw rocks at you til the cows come home 1664 01:33:24,337 --> 01:33:27,210 and you can still come out of it a winner. 1665 01:33:27,297 --> 01:33:30,735 [energetic horror music] 1666 01:34:02,637 --> 01:34:05,770 [enterprising music]ú 1667 01:34:25,877 --> 01:34:27,270 ♪ Don't lie ♪ 1668 01:34:27,357 --> 01:34:28,575 ♪ Don't cry ♪ 1669 01:34:28,663 --> 01:34:30,577 ♪ Don't try ♪ 1670 01:34:30,665 --> 01:34:33,624 ♪ No need to have ♪ 1671 01:34:33,711 --> 01:34:38,629 ♪ No need to have ♪ 1672 01:34:38,716 --> 01:34:39,804 ♪ Don't hide ♪ 1673 01:34:39,891 --> 01:34:41,545 ♪ Don't thrive ♪ 1674 01:34:41,632 --> 01:34:43,068 ♪ Don't choose ♪ 1675 01:34:43,155 --> 01:34:46,681 ♪ No need to have ♪ 1676 01:34:46,768 --> 01:34:49,684 ♪ No need to have ♪ 1677 01:34:49,771 --> 01:34:51,250 ♪ Reactions of your own ♪ 1678 01:34:51,337 --> 01:34:54,123 ♪ There's something wrong with me ♪ 1679 01:34:54,210 --> 01:34:57,604 ♪ And there's nothing wrong with me ♪ 1680 01:34:57,692 --> 01:34:59,302 ♪ Don't read ♪ 1681 01:34:59,389 --> 01:35:00,695 ♪ Don't learn ♪ 1682 01:35:00,782 --> 01:35:02,479 ♪ Don't yearn ♪ 1683 01:35:02,566 --> 01:35:05,482 ♪ Just live through me ♪ 1684 01:35:05,569 --> 01:35:10,530 ♪ Just live through me ♪ 1685 01:35:10,617 --> 01:35:11,793 ♪ Don't burn ♪ 1686 01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:13,664 ♪ Don't fade ♪ 1687 01:35:13,751 --> 01:35:15,274 ♪ Don't fall ♪ 1688 01:35:15,361 --> 01:35:18,495 ♪ Just live through me ♪ 1689 01:35:18,582 --> 01:35:21,672 ♪ Just live through me ♪ 1690 01:35:21,759 --> 01:35:26,329 ♪ That's all you ever know ♪ 1691 01:35:26,416 --> 01:35:29,680 ♪ All of my problems were just a problem of geography ♪ 1692 01:35:29,767 --> 01:35:32,117 ♪ Don't think, don't blink, don't sink ♪ 1693 01:35:32,204 --> 01:35:34,467 ♪ Just waste, just pace, just case ♪ 1694 01:35:34,554 --> 01:35:37,557 ♪ Just bleed for me ♪ 1695 01:35:37,644 --> 01:35:40,604 ♪ Just bleed for me ♪ 1696 01:35:40,691 --> 01:35:43,825 ♪ Just bleed for me ♪ 1697 01:35:43,912 --> 01:35:47,350 ♪ Just bleed for me ♪ 1698 01:35:47,437 --> 01:35:52,442 ♪ I'm still what you want ♪ 1699 01:36:11,504 --> 01:36:12,854 ♪ Nothing of your own ♪ 1700 01:36:12,941 --> 01:36:14,551 ♪ Nothing of your own ♪ 1701 01:36:14,638 --> 01:36:15,857 ♪ Nothing of your own ♪ 1702 01:36:15,944 --> 01:36:17,684 ♪ Nothing of your own ♪ 1703 01:36:17,772 --> 01:36:19,251 ♪ Nothing of your own ♪ 1704 01:36:19,338 --> 01:36:20,862 ♪ Nothing of your own ♪ 1705 01:36:20,949 --> 01:36:23,516 ♪ Nothing of your own ♪ 1706 01:36:23,603 --> 01:36:26,868 ♪ And if you don't face the monster head on ♪ 1707 01:36:26,955 --> 01:36:28,391 ♪ Then how are you ever gonna ♪ 1708 01:36:28,478 --> 01:36:30,567 ♪ Make a difference in this world ♪ 1709 01:36:30,654 --> 01:36:33,875 - [Female] There's more to it than just well, 1710 01:36:33,962 --> 01:36:36,399 call it premonition, or women's intuition 1711 01:36:36,486 --> 01:36:42,753 if you like, but I'm afraid. 1712 01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,364 - [Male] Of what? 1713 01:36:45,451 --> 01:36:47,714 - [Female] Afraid I'm going to lose you. 1714 01:36:47,802 --> 01:36:49,673 - [Male] To a dream? 1715 01:36:50,543 --> 01:36:53,546 - [Female] To a dream that might be real. 1716 01:36:53,633 --> 01:36:57,594 - [Male] It could all be real for a little while. 1717 01:36:57,681 --> 01:37:00,379 [engaging music] 1718 01:37:06,995 --> 01:37:10,825 - [Female] All the ways that I love you Tony. 1719 01:37:12,348 --> 01:37:13,915 - [Male] Take care of yourself Val, I'll see you soon. 1720 01:37:14,002 --> 01:37:17,005 [captivating music] 1721 01:38:55,799 --> 01:38:58,019 - [Female] I'm afraid. 1722 01:38:58,106 --> 01:38:59,846 - [Man] Of what? 1723 01:38:59,934 --> 01:39:02,066 - [Female] I'm afraid I'm going to lose you. 1724 01:39:02,153 --> 01:39:03,850 - [Male] To a dream? 1725 01:39:05,548 --> 01:39:08,812 - [Female] To a dream that might be real.