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- [Narrator] The door
slams shut behind me.

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The light goes out.

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I hear other cell doors
open and slam shut.

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I hear the shooting of bolts
and the heavy clanking of keys.

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I am in total darkness.

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- [Man] I believe that this
nation should commit itself

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to achieving the goal
before this decade is out

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of landing a man on the moon

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and returning him safely to the Earth.

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(crowd chattering)

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- [Announcer] Passengers
arriving at West Air

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from the United States.

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- [Announcer] Your attention
ladies and gentlemen,

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good afternoon, this
will now serve as this is

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the final boarding call,
final boarding call.

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- Mr. Arthur Rudolf, just
arrived from Hamburg?

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- Yes, is there a problem?

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I'm only here to visit my daughter,

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she's driving up from California.

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- Sir, you need to come with me.

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This way.

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(intense music)

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Can you confirm you are
Arthur Louis Hugo Rudolph,

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born November 9th, 1906?

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- Yes.

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- And you were expelled from
the United States in 1984?

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- I made a voluntary agreement

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- And you are on an
immigration watch list,

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preventing you entering the U.S?

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- I'm not going to.

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- The office of special investigations

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in DC says that you plan to.

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That your planning a publicity stunt,

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crossing on July 4th at Niagara.

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- I deny that the OSI has been
persecuting me since 1983.

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- Be that as it may, according
to this 1993 agreement,

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you have admitted to war crimes

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and therefore you cannot enter Canada,

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not until a formal inquiry as
to the facts has been held.

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- [Man] What do you think about
what Canada's tryna do here sir?

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- No comment.

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- [Man] The hearing was adjourn
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wants more time to prepare his case.

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- [Man] Say goodbye to him,

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say (speaking in foreign language)

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(sad music)

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- Neil Armstrong has just
reported back it feels good.

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Nine ignition sequence starts,

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six, five, four,

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three, two, one, zero.

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All engine running.

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Lift off, we have a lift off.

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32 minutes past the hour.

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Lift off on Apollo 11.

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- We actually had an informant

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who was at a meeting where Rudolf's return

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to North America was plotted.

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- And then we have that testimony

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from the American intelligence officer

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at the end of the war, who said, quote,

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"100% Nazi, dangerous
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A lot of things went into
this rocket enthusiasm.

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Number one was that
theorist showed in the 1920s

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that space flight was not crazy,

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that it might actually be possible.

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And particular Hammond
Oberg was very important.

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His book, "The Rocket
into Interplanetary Space"

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in 1923 opened up a whole
movement in Germany.

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Of course Fritz Lang made
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"Frau im Mond, The Woman in
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Hermann Oberth listed as
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on the movie, and so one of

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the most famous Weimar film director

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had made a major movie
about going into space.

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This is Germany after the loss of the war,

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the humiliating defeat,
the Versailles treaty,

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and they were very enthusiastic,

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bought any new technology which
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So there were a lot of
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in space travel and interested
in developing the rocket

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as a weapon and as a way to go into space.

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And so there were several
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space flight is real, it can
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they were all very optimistic,

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it could happen within a decade or two.

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So there was a lot of rocket enthusiasm.

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I mean, Rudolph had been involved

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with Max Valier back in
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in the early rocket enthusiast community,

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was killed in 1930 at the Heylandt factory

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when Rudolph was present.

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- [Rudolph] Valier was
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of his rocket prototype.

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We were taking turns using
kindling to ignite the rocket.

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There were red spots, a dangerous signal.

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I recommended we stop, but
Valier increased the trust.

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There was an explosion and
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against a wall.

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When I stood up, I realized
the rocket had gone.

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When I turned him around,
I saw that he had been hit

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by a piece of shrapnel.

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By the time the ambulance
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In the summer of 1932,

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I was taking part in
the rocker demonstration

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for the German army.

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I saw a very smart young
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how do you measure trust?

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This was the first time
I met Wernher von Braun.

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In those days he already had
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going to the moon.

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We've worked together from that day on.

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- Von Braun was well-known as the manager

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of the V2 rocket project.

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So that was not news to anybody.

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Rudolph was certainly
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in the V2 program than he
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The bond between Von Braun and Rudolph

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was the early rocket experience they had

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at Kummersdorf and Rudolf tested an engine

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and I think Von Braun's
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well the rocket engine wasn't that great

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but Rudolph was somebody
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and he was an engineer we could recruit.

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They had bonded over space ideas

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in the officer club at Kummersdorf.

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And so they stayed up
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and talked about expeditions to the moon

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and expeditions to Mars.

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- [Man] The chief of the
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came to see us at Kummersdorf.

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And during that visit of General Baker

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he questioned us about our progress.

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Von Braun did not talk about
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to build but about space flight.

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General Baker was very nice about it.

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But he he argued with
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"Von Braun, you will never make it.

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"You will not be able to
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"to get you into space."

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- [Man] Houston, slightly less
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and everything is go.

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- [Houston] Roger.

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Ignition.

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- [Man] We confirm ignition
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- [Narrator] I know I am free,
I will be free again soon.

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The confidence I have
always had comes back to me.

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I know that those who
give up, never return.

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It is in adversity that
hope sharpens it's edge.

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The fortunate have no need of it.

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- [Man] Network, you get it.

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Everything up?

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- [Man] That's affirmative.

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- [Man] Loud and clear.

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- [Man] Apollo 11, this is
launch operations manager,

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the launch team wishes you
good luck and god speed.

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- [Man] Thank you very much,
I know it will be a good one.

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- [Man] How do read me?

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- [Man] CC loud and clear.

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- [Man] Okay Neil, have a good one.

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All right, the CMT on
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(indistinct radio chatter)

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All right, CMT on panel.

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(indistinct radio chatter)

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(eerie music)

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- [Man] In three short
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from a project on paper
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which for the first time
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and in doing so, every step we took

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was a step into the unknown.

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- [Von Braun] I was watching
through a pair of binoculars

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and I just kept my fingers crossed

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that I would know that all
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in the sky and finally made it.

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This day would be remembered as

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the day UN space flight was born.

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- And this is the site of
a V2 attack in Lamberth

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on the 4th of January, 1945.

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The rockets left Holland at 22 past eight.

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So it took very little
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So many people died in the dwellings

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because it was in the evening.

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Around 39 were killed and 70 injured.

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Now this is not the biggest attack,

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the most serious V2 attacks

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was on New Cross Road in
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- [Man] Down two and a half.

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Forward, forward.

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40 feet down, two and a
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30 feet, two and a half down.

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Four forward, four forward,
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- [Man] 30 seconds.

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(eerie music)

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Contact light.

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- [Man] We've had shutdown.

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- [Man] We copy you down eagle.

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(indistinct radio chatter)

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- [Man] The eagle has landed.

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- [Man] Roger Tranquility,
we copy you on the ground,

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you got a bunch of guys
about to turn blue,

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we're breathing again, thanks a lot.

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(eerie music)

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- [Neil] That's one small step for man,

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one giant leap for mankind.

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- [Man] Neil and Buzz, I'm
talking to you by telephone

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from the oval room at the white house,

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and this certainly has to be

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the most historic telephone call ever made

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from the white house.

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I just can't tell you how proud we all are

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of what you have done.

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For every American, this
has to be the proudest day

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of our lives and for
people all over the world,

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I am sure that they
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in recognizing what an
immense feat this is.

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- [Interviewer] Did you
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at that moment feel it
was a German victory?

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- Yes we thought so.

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- [Interviewer] Do you think the Americans

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could have got to the moon
had it not been for your help?

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- In time, yes, but not that early.

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(indistinct radio chatter)

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- [Man] 6915.

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- [Man] 11 horrace copy, 13301675, over.

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- [Man] Every precaution
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the outside world from any possibility

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of contamination by moon germs.

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Here are the three astronauts
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to the mobile quarantine facility.

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- I found this newspaper

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when I cleared up my
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and this obviously was
an important one to keep

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as I obviously thought of about my uncle

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when the event was happening
in 1969, how they felt

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about this development of the V2

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into this wonderful rocket that helped men

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to go on the moon.

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There was a real sense of terrible anger,

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especially when Von Braun
became this hero of America.

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And it was in the French
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this was about modernity,
this was about a space age,

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it was interviewed, it was
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by the French scientist,
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(speaking in foreign language)

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and this made the survivors
of Dora absolutely furious,

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and they kept writing to
PARIS-MATCH and the radios,

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and of course, silence

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- In August, 1943, the
Nazi leadership responded

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to the attack on Peenemunde
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and also to bombing in
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was supposed to be produced
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So, after a short consultation

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they decided to use these
tunnels in North Central Germany,

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near Nordhausen, to build
an underground plant.

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- My uncle in his note make reference

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to a hall where he worked.

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So these would be the smaller halls

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that links the tunnels, number 15.

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So this is at the beginning
and many of his notes include,

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"I was in hall 15."

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- When we think and talk about
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thinking about up to 20 million people

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that were forced to labor with

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the (speaking in foreign language)

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in the occupied territories,
this was a phenomenon

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that of course everybody was aware of.

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And they became part of this society

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and German society didn't look
at it as something unusual

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or even a crime, and even those
people who were not members

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of the Nazi party or the SS,

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many of them still believed
that this is correct,

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that racism is correct, and,
that there is a hierarchy

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between (speaking in
foreign language) people.

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And of course, seeing
all these forced labors,

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seeing the concentration camp prisoners,

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there was something they
thought that this is correct.

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- In his notes he talks
about straight away

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boing moved into the tunnel.

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The first big jobs are
basically to clear the tunnels,

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to clear them up, to widen them.

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It's awful job, very dusty,
they worked 24 hours,

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they sleep on the floor on straw

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and he won't see the lights,
he won't be moved out

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of the tunnel until March, 1943.

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So this is the period of Dora

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that gives it its name, it's hell.

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- The first day is terrifying.

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The capos and the SS drive
us on at an infernal speed.

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Shouting and raining blows down on us,

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threatening us with execution.

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The noise boars into the
brain and sheers the nerves.

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Arriving at the dormitories,

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we don't even try and reach the bunks.

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Drunk with exhaustion, we
collapse onto the rocks.

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Behind the capos press us on.

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Those behind trample over the comrades.

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Soon, over 1,000
despairing men at the brink

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of their existence, racked with thirst,

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lie there hoping the
sleep which never comes.

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The shouting of the guards,
the noise of the machines,

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the explosions and the ringing

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of the locomotives bell, never end.

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(eerie music)

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- [Announcer] 83 year old
Arthur Rudolph with his lawyer

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and supporters today.

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His story began in 1945 when
he entered the United States,

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part of operation paperclip,

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in which dozens of German
scientists were brought

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into the U.S, Britain and Canada

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to prevent them from falling
into the hands of the Soviets.

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- [Man] Good luck Rudolph.

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(eerie music)

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- Okay Ms. Kulaszka, your
first witness is to character?

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- Yes, sir, retired General John Medaris.

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I've arranged for him

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to give his evidence via
satellite video link.

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Mr. Clerk, are we ready?

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- Yes, we're ready to go.

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- [Judge] Welcome general.

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I just need to swear you in,
do you have a Bible at hand?

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- Sir, the Bible has
been my custom companion

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these last 30 years, go right ahead.

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- Having served in the ordinance Corps

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in army intelligence during the war,

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in 1950 general John Medaris

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was the first commanding officer

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of the ballistic missile
agency in Alabama.

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He oversaw the involvement
of German scientists,

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including Arthur Rudolph in
American missile development.

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He led the Jupiter rocket project,

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the West first satellite less than 90 days

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after the Soviet launched Sputnik.

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After retirement in 1964,

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the general was ordained
an Anglican priest.

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General, why don't you tell us

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how you first met Dr. Rudolph

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and what you make of his service

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in the time that you knew
him during his 38 years

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in the United States.

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- I first met Arthur, Dr. Rudolph, in 1947

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when he was with ordinance
research at Fort Bliss, Texas.

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He was working on the V2s
the army had shipped over.

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There were about 40 Germans
there who had been brought over

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at the end of the war.

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All of them had been
cleared by army intelligence

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and OMGUS, that is the Office

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of Military Government United States,

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which was running the
American zone of Germany

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at that time.

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I was impressed with Arthur.

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He wasn't an A kid, he was a real engineer

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and he was great at taking the ideas

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of these blue sky scientists

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and turning them into stuff that works.

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Then Von Braun always said

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"Arthur could take dreams
and turn them into machines."

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I've recruited him and he became manager

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of the whole Pershing missile program.

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We worked together for 11 years

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before he went to join Von Braun at NASA.

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I guess it can be summed
up in the fact that in 1960

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he was awarded the decoration

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for exceptional civilian service,

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the highest military award
available to civilians.

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- Thank you, sir.

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And what did you think
when you heard in 1984

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that Dr. Rudolph had been deported?

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- Well, I didn't hear
about it straight away,

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as it was kept secret by the government

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for over nine months.

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When I did learn of it, I was horrified.

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- Do you know anything
about Dr. Rudolph's records

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that shows he committed war crimes

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of enslavement or persecution?

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- No, I did not.

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He was interrogated by army intelligence

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when he was first captured,

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and three further times after
that, they found nothing.

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- Did Dr. Rudolph ever
display any antisemitism

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or talk about the idea of a master race

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or an inferior race and intervention?

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(speaking in foreign language)

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- No, he did not, we built missiles

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to keep up in the arms
race with the Soviets.

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I do know he was a true believer
that communism was a real

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and present danger to the world,

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and that only a well-armed
United States of America

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could stand in its way.

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The Berlin wall came down last year

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and I am real glad I've lived to see it.

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I believe it was because
we won the cold war,

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and it only remained the cold war

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because we were always
ready to fight a hot one.

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America provided the nuclear umbrella

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under which the free
world, including Canada,

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sheltered for 40 years.

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The work that Arthur did,

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work that is now seeing his own
Homeland of Germany reunited

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was vital to that effort,

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and we should all be grateful to him.

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- General, I want to thank
you for taking the time

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to come and talk to us today.

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- [Judge] Mr. Mackintosh, your witness.

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- During your war service

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did you ever visit the
underground rocket factory

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in the Haas mountains?

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- No, I did not.

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- Did you visit the slave
labor camp, Mittelbau-Dora?

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- [John] No I did not.

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- Did Dr. Rudolph ever
talk about his war service?

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- No, not in any detail.

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- Did you ever talk about his
membership of the Nazi party?

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- My understanding was that he joined

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because there was a real
fear in Germany in the 1930s

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that the communists would take over.

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- Do you know he joined the S.A,

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a kind of paramilitary wing of the party

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and the forerunner of the SS in 1933?

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- No, I did not know that.

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- Have you ever read the
classified transcripts

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of Dr. Rudolph's
interrogations in 1945 or 1947?

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- No.
- Okay.

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Thank you general,
that's all my questions.

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- Operation Overcast was a program

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to round up German technical personnel,

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send them to the United
States for six months

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and use them to help the
U.S grab German technology,

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understand German technology.

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Then it evolved into Operation Paperclip,

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which was more ambitious,

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keeping them for longer periods of time

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and eventually immigrating them legally

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into the United States

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- [Man] (indistinct radio announcement)

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To the rear coach car, cafe lounge car,

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and forward all sleeping
cars and business class.

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Last call for a full service breakfast.

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- And so when they arrived

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they were taken straight
to Fort Bliss to work

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in White Sands and at Fort Bliss.

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So essentially what
happens is the army decides

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that they want to consolidate

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the rocket development program.

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Huntsville arsenal and Redstone arsenal,

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which were right next to each other,

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happened to be vacant at the time

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and seemed to be a really good place,

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and if you think about it,

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you've got the TVA right
there supplying power,

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you have the waterway that
could take you on a barge,

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could take any rocket all the
way over to Cape Canaveral.

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And then there's some lobbying as well,

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of course from Alabama Senators.

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So that's why they're moved to Huntsville.

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They were just a couple
of hundred families coming

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in with thousands of others,
right, at the same time,

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yet it seems when you
talk to people about it,

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they had a huge impact.

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So what kind of impact they
had depends a little bit

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on who you talk to.

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I think the impression
among many Huntsvillians

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was that they had a very large impact,

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culturally in particular.

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- When we came in 1950 to Huntsville

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from Fort Bliss in Texas,

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we got immediately the
assignment to develop

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to design the Redstone vehicle.

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And in my book, the Redstone engine,

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the Redstone propeller system,

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is a grown up version of the V2.

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- The Marshall center was
organized very similarly

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to the organization

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of Von Braun's big rocket
development team at Peenemunde.

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- He was definitely one
of the people who thought

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it was wrong and thought that
Rudolph was falsely accused

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and what was done to him was wrong.

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And so there was pretty
immediate response.

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One person would try to
explain why he might've

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been investigated in the first place,

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others they don't understand
how could he possibly

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have been found to have
done anything wrong

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because the army had already
investigated everything, right?

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They knew everything, so what had changed?

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(upbeat music)

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- This is a resolution of the
city council of Huntsville,

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Alabama, signed by the
city Council president

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and the mayor in September of 1985,

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defending Rudolph against
the allegations against him.

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Yeah, I don't go to Huntsville,

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I'm not welcome there apparently.

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In the Nazi cases, only
in the mid to late 70s

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was there serious reporting on them

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and primarily in the New York Times,

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but also other major American newspapers.

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And that came to the attention
of members of Congress,

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particularly Congresswoman
Elizabeth Holtzman of Brooklyn.

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Liz Holtzman pushed for
legislation to be enacted,

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and it was in 1978.

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It is now known as the
Holtzman amendment in her honor

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and it rendered participants
in Nazi sponsored acts

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of persecution deportable
from the United States

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and it also barred them
from entering this country.

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She also pushed with some
other members of Congress

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for the justice department
to take the responsibility

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for these cases away from
the immigration service

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which had failed and create a unit

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in the justice department,
criminal division

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to investigate and prosecute,
hence the birth of OSI in 1979

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with strong support from the Congress

513
00:30:37,950 --> 00:30:42,620
and we began investigating
and prosecuting these cases.

514
00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:47,620
Well, he appeared to be a
grandfatherly looking figure,

515
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:51,390
he was hoping to talk
about the space program

516
00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:55,150
rather than the war, and
actually brought a model

517
00:30:55,150 --> 00:30:58,910
of the Saturn five rocket to show us.

518
00:30:58,910 --> 00:31:03,600
- So the U.S law for the
OSI and the Holtzman amend

519
00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:09,680
was essentially to force
people to leave the country

520
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,990
and have the countries
where they were involved

521
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:16,080
in crimes deal with them

522
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,530
and not charge them in the
United States with war crimes.

523
00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:22,550
And so Rudolph was
investigated in the early 80s

524
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:26,820
for his involvement in the Mittelwerk.

525
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:30,770
- We questioned him twice
over those two days,

526
00:31:30,770 --> 00:31:33,510
once I think in 82 and once in 1983.

527
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,570
He made very, very damning admissions.

528
00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:40,490
- And it just turned out
that he was the only person

529
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:44,050
that OSI could really pin something on.

530
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,510
- Here's Rudolph, not the
hero on the front page

531
00:31:48,510 --> 00:31:52,420
of the New York Times on October 18, 1984,

532
00:31:52,420 --> 00:31:57,420
after the justice department
announced his departure

533
00:31:58,130 --> 00:32:00,610
and surrender of citizenship.

534
00:32:00,610 --> 00:32:05,610
And I really can't begin
to adequately explain

535
00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:11,040
or convey what a sea change this was

536
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,700
in the perception of history.

537
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:16,660
So for most of the world,
this was the revelation

538
00:32:16,660 --> 00:32:18,380
that slave labor was used,

539
00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:20,870
concentration camp inmates were used

540
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:23,910
under grotesquely inhumane conditions

541
00:32:23,910 --> 00:32:27,510
to build the the V2 missile.

542
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,980
- [Woman] The city of
Niagara Falls straddles

543
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:33,860
the Canadian American border.

544
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:36,330
For Arthur Rudolph it's an ideal location

545
00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:38,540
to hold a news conference.

546
00:32:38,540 --> 00:32:43,020
- We actually had an
informant who was at a meeting

547
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:47,150
where Rudolph's return to
North America was plotted

548
00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:51,550
and we were told that the plan was

549
00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:54,810
that although he can't
fly into the United States

550
00:32:54,810 --> 00:32:58,840
because we had placed his name
on the immigration watch list

551
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,720
the border control watch list,

552
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,020
he would fly into Pearson
international airport

553
00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:08,770
in Toronto, Canada, and there
he would meet his supporters,

554
00:33:08,770 --> 00:33:13,190
including an American Congressman,
the late Jim Traficant.

555
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:18,190
They would travel to Niagara Falls, Canada

556
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:22,830
and then they would march
over the peace bridge

557
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:25,870
into Niagara Falls, New York

558
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:28,530
- [Woman] Now James
Traficant is campaigning

559
00:33:28,530 --> 00:33:30,160
to exonerate Rudolph.

560
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,060
He believes Rudolph is innocent.

561
00:33:33,530 --> 00:33:35,480
- [Judge] Your witness Mr. McIntosh.

562
00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:40,120
- Dr. Rudolph.

563
00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:45,130
Do you deny ever harming a prisoner?

564
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,110
- [Rudolph] Yes.

565
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,150
- Did you ever see anyone who reported

566
00:33:50,150 --> 00:33:51,870
to you harm a prison?

567
00:33:51,870 --> 00:33:54,410
- No only Capos, that's
the prisoners made foreman

568
00:33:54,410 --> 00:33:58,030
by the SS, or the SS
themselves harmed prisoners.

569
00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:00,370
- Did you witness this?

570
00:34:01,670 --> 00:34:03,190
- A few times?

571
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:04,560
- Did you intervene?

572
00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:08,770
- Perhaps a couple of times, but you see,

573
00:34:08,770 --> 00:34:11,840
I would have become a prisoner myself.

574
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,380
- Come on Dr. Rudolph, you were
a highly qualified engineer,

575
00:34:16,380 --> 00:34:18,180
a very effective production manager,

576
00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:20,590
as your whole career testifies.

577
00:34:20,590 --> 00:34:22,510
You were vital to the making of a weapon

578
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:25,500
that Hitler himself believed
would turn the war around,

579
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:27,960
and yet you say you could
not affect conditions

580
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,360
at Mittelwerk because the SS
would incarcerate you or worse?

581
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,660
- Well that is the way it was.

582
00:34:33,660 --> 00:34:36,530
I tried to Institute a three shift system,

583
00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:40,820
instead of the two 12 hour
shifts, but we were refused.

584
00:34:41,730 --> 00:34:43,240
- You tried to change the shift system

585
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:44,700
because it was better for the prisoners

586
00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:45,900
or better for production?

587
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,540
- Both, it would be better for both!

588
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:51,170
- Let's look at production.

589
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,300
The whole point of slave labor was

590
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,930
that it was the cheapest form of manpower

591
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:57,120
to produce the weapons.

592
00:34:58,290 --> 00:35:02,020
You blamed your superior, Albin Sawatzky,

593
00:35:02,020 --> 00:35:04,320
for the ruthless
exploitation of slave labor.

594
00:35:05,610 --> 00:35:07,640
And yet, according to your testimony

595
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,650
to the office of special
investigations in 1982,

596
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:15,330
when Sawatzky went on sick
leave in the fall of 1944,

597
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:18,400
you achieved a new record
for rocket production,

598
00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:22,290
up from 700 a month to 900 a month.

599
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:26,230
- Yes, yes, it was easier
without all the form filling.

600
00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:28,910
- Put it this way.

601
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:33,110
Are you claiming you knew nothing

602
00:35:33,110 --> 00:35:37,070
about the conditions at camp
Dora, conditions in which

603
00:35:37,070 --> 00:35:39,830
no one disputes thousands of people died?

604
00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:43,200
- I am claiming that.

605
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:51,010
- So, for 22 months, you
ran the V2 production line

606
00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:54,820
at Mittelwerk and you
never saw an execution,

607
00:35:56,110 --> 00:35:57,830
you never saw a punishment beating,

608
00:35:57,830 --> 00:35:59,740
you never saw a prisoner drop down dead

609
00:35:59,740 --> 00:36:01,920
from exhaustion or hunger?

610
00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:05,040
And all of this in an environment

611
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,220
where the U.S army
conservatively estimated

612
00:36:07,220 --> 00:36:09,240
that 20,000 workers died,

613
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:15,120
the equivalent to one
entire workforce during

614
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,050
the period coinciding
with your time there.

615
00:36:19,770 --> 00:36:21,220
What did you think was happening

616
00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:24,120
to the workers who one day
never again showed up on shift?

617
00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:27,990
Did you think they'd gone on vacation

618
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,460
or didn't you notice?

619
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:35,490
And perhaps Dr. Rudolph, you didn't notice

620
00:36:35,490 --> 00:36:37,140
because you simply didn't care.

621
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,300
- We were not allowed
to talk to the prisons

622
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:45,090
or interact with them in any way.

623
00:36:45,090 --> 00:36:48,170
That was the entire
responsibility of the SS.

624
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:50,250
I've told you already.

625
00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:54,020
I saw a few things, but there
was nothing that we could do.

626
00:36:58,890 --> 00:37:03,240
- Dr. Rudolph, we have a description

627
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,740
of a mass hanging from the
prisoners on the shell.

628
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,910
He says six to 12 will be hanged together

629
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:12,470
from a plank suspended
on the cranes hooks.

630
00:37:13,570 --> 00:37:15,970
They had their hands
tied behind their backs

631
00:37:16,810 --> 00:37:19,800
and wooden gags fastened
with wire in their mouths.

632
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,690
Now you say you never saw a hanging

633
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:28,210
but you did witness the
aftermath of an execution,

634
00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:29,310
tell us what happened.

635
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,510
- The men had been hanged.

636
00:37:33,780 --> 00:37:38,190
They were suspended from a
crossbar that had been lifted

637
00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:41,650
by a static crane in the assembly hall.

638
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:47,070
- You mean nooses were
placed around their necks

639
00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:48,570
while they stood on the floor,

640
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:53,430
and the plank was raised
until they were suspended,

641
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:56,270
dying slowly of strangulation?

642
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:57,480
- [Dr. Rudolph] I did not see that.

643
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,820
- You're an engineer Dr. Rudolph,

644
00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:01,270
I'm sure you could work
it out from what you saw.

645
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:05,660
- I guess, I suppose you
would say that's right.

646
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:08,170
- Where the victim's dead?

647
00:38:11,250 --> 00:38:12,080
- Yes.

648
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:17,510
I saw one poor fellow raise his legs once.

649
00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:20,690
- His final death throes?

650
00:38:23,090 --> 00:38:23,920
- I suppose.

651
00:38:32,890 --> 00:38:35,690
- Most of the bodies have
lost their trousers and shoes.

652
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,800
Puddles of urine cover the floor.

653
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,950
Since the ropes are long
the body swayed gently

654
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:44,570
about five feet above the ground

655
00:38:44,570 --> 00:38:47,080
and you have to push them
aside as you advance.

656
00:38:48,990 --> 00:38:52,330
You receive bumps from knees
and tibia soaked in urine

657
00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:54,770
and the corpses pushed
against each other begin

658
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:56,020
to spin round.

659
00:38:58,470 --> 00:39:01,370
Here and there, truncheons in hand,

660
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,220
the SS watch the changing of the shifts.

661
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:10,320
They're laughing.

662
00:39:20,070 --> 00:39:21,030
- [Mr. McIntosh] Dr. Rudolph, do you know

663
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:23,680
if the victims were executed after they

664
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,000
had been reported for attempted sabotage?

665
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,250
- I don't know the SSO
responsible for all discipline.

666
00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:33,550
I heard that the men had been executed

667
00:39:33,550 --> 00:39:37,000
because they had planned an insurrection.

668
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:40,620
They were Russians I think.

669
00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:41,970
- [Mr. McIntosh] Were people executed

670
00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:43,800
for attempted sabotage?

671
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,060
- I don't know.

672
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:47,810
- [Mr. McIntosh] You never
saw it, you never heard it?

673
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:48,640
- Correct.

674
00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:53,260
- SS records show that
conditions got much worse

675
00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:56,350
in early 1945 with rations reduced

676
00:39:56,350 --> 00:39:58,670
as the allies cut supply lines.

677
00:39:58,670 --> 00:40:02,350
They also show that
executions were stepped up.

678
00:40:02,350 --> 00:40:05,720
Presumably the fear of revolt
grew as the allies got nearer.

679
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:12,030
In March, 1945 alone, 163
prisoners were executed

680
00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:17,010
in the tunnels or at Camp
Dora, but you saw nothing.

681
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:21,630
- All I know is that two
executions took place

682
00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:24,580
in the tunnel, and I've
told you what I saw.

683
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:30,790
In late March, 1945 we would
evacuated from Mittelwerk.

684
00:40:31,810 --> 00:40:35,100
- And that is when the
journey away from your past

685
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:37,550
and to a new life in America began.

686
00:40:42,910 --> 00:40:43,960
No further questions.

687
00:40:47,330 --> 00:40:51,530
- We will now adjourn and
resume tomorrow morning.

688
00:40:51,530 --> 00:40:54,030
(eerie music)

689
00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:27,520
- Have I said enough about
the nature of the tunnels?

690
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,240
Have I adequately described the evolution

691
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:37,170
of that circle of hell beyond
even Dante's imagination?

692
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:45,660
The cold, the sweat, the putrefaction,

693
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:50,010
the noise of the machines that crushed men

694
00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:53,400
and matter the dust which
clung to their skin,

695
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,170
in the lungs, the explosions,

696
00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:59,380
and the feverish changing of the shifts.

697
00:42:04,850 --> 00:42:07,990
Have I made you feel
the uneasy companionship

698
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:09,470
of death and fear?

699
00:42:30,670 --> 00:42:32,270
Others replaced the dead.

700
00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:38,160
Other martyrs from
Russia, Belgium, Poland,

701
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:42,420
Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and France,

702
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:47,480
who were all assumed to know
the vermin of the tunnels.

703
00:42:49,140 --> 00:42:53,150
The hunger, the torture,
the blows of forced labor.

704
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:59,700
It was at dawn I realized
how the pyramids were built.

705
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:02,280
(gentle music)

706
00:43:07,290 --> 00:43:09,250
- I began to read Jean Michel's book.

707
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:13,100
It was to save at least an eye-opener.

708
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:16,440
He spoke of how prisoners were worked

709
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,840
under horribly inhumane conditions

710
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,290
in an underground V2 missile factory.

711
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:27,650
that was part of the Dora
Nordhausen concentration camp

712
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:32,650
in central Germany, I
had never heard of that.

713
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:37,450
Michel said that there were members

714
00:43:37,450 --> 00:43:41,870
of the Von Braun engineering
team who were in this factory

715
00:43:43,350 --> 00:43:47,510
and who were helping to
supervise the prisoners.

716
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:50,270
And as I recall, the
explanation he gave was

717
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:53,900
that the SS guards weren't
capable of doing that,

718
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:55,680
they didn't know the fine points

719
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,200
of what bolt got turned here

720
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,290
and what wire was connected to what,

721
00:44:00,290 --> 00:44:04,630
whereas the engineers did, and
if a prisoner for instance,

722
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:09,630
sabotaged a rocket as some
prisoners very courageously did,

723
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:12,640
it was the engineers who would detect that

724
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,230
and inform the guards.

725
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:17,010
- The only piece of testimony

726
00:44:17,010 --> 00:44:21,320
you told Dr. Rudolph's
American lawyer about in 1983

727
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,860
was the testimony of
Miss Hannelore Bannasch,

728
00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:27,100
a management secretary in Mittelwerk,

729
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:29,800
even though you didn't
name her at the time, true?

730
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,210
- Yes.

731
00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:34,980
- Had the OSI actually
spoken to her in 1983

732
00:44:34,980 --> 00:44:37,040
or at any other time?

733
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,940
- [Mr. Sher] No, we had not.

734
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:43,460
- So her testimony also
came from the records

735
00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:45,830
of the 1947 trial?

736
00:44:45,830 --> 00:44:49,840
- Yes, she identified Rudolph
as the manager responsible

737
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,070
for passing reports of
suspected sabotage to the SS

738
00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:58,160
and that these often led
to beatings and executions.

739
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:03,160
- Okay, now, let's all
turn to the translation

740
00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:08,070
of Ms. Bannasch's sworn statement in 1985.

741
00:45:08,070 --> 00:45:11,420
Have you seen this
document before Mr. Sher?

742
00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:12,580
- No, I don't believe so.

743
00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:13,830
- Really?

744
00:45:13,830 --> 00:45:16,190
Dr. Rudolph's lawyer in
Hamburg, couriered it

745
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:18,230
to your office in 1985.

746
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:19,280
- [Mr. Sher] I haven't seen it,

747
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,270
that doesn't mean my
office hasn't received it.

748
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:24,050
- Oh, okay, I see.

749
00:45:24,970 --> 00:45:27,340
Well, now you see that this statement

750
00:45:27,340 --> 00:45:30,770
is made on February 25th, 1985

751
00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:33,490
and is sworn before a public notary.

752
00:45:33,490 --> 00:45:36,170
Ms. Bannasch says that when
she eventually obtained

753
00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:39,240
the English translation
of her 1947 statement,

754
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:40,450
she realized it.

755
00:45:40,450 --> 00:45:44,880
I quote, "Does not correspond
to my German formulations,

756
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,130
"but can be interpreted
with a different meaning

757
00:45:47,130 --> 00:45:50,890
"in the translation and has
been interpreted differently."

758
00:45:52,180 --> 00:45:57,180
Mr. Sher, your star witness
says she never incriminated

759
00:45:57,220 --> 00:46:00,030
my client in 1947.

760
00:46:00,030 --> 00:46:03,610
- It seems to me she has
simply changed her evidence.

761
00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:05,660
- Well, maybe.

762
00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:10,120
And I'd say that is the very essence

763
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,090
of an unreliable witness.

764
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:21,280
Now, let's go back to 1982.

765
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,980
What made you write that first time

766
00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:29,370
to Dr. Rudolph requesting the
first interview in California?

767
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:31,170
- We had got together enough evidence

768
00:46:31,170 --> 00:46:35,410
to make a case for
deportation, that is our job.

769
00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:36,700
The next step is to interview someone.

770
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:39,390
- You didn't include
any specific allegations

771
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:43,500
in your initial letter
of September 14th, 1982,

772
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:47,820
it merely states your
activities between 1939

773
00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:52,770
and 1945 in Germany will be
the subject of some questions.

774
00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:56,110
Why so unspecific, why so banal?

775
00:46:56,110 --> 00:47:00,510
- Well, we didn't wanna alert
suspects the specific crimes

776
00:47:00,510 --> 00:47:02,700
as that what allow them
to potentially prepare

777
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:04,180
a more elaborate evasion.

778
00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:05,710
- Oh come on!

779
00:47:05,710 --> 00:47:08,490
Isn't it because you had
barely anything to go on?

780
00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:12,470
Isn't it because this was just
one big fishing expedition?

781
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:15,400
You do after all ask the subject

782
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,180
to bring along his own evidence.

783
00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:21,400
I quote, "Bring to the
interview all documents,

784
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,640
"correspondence, and photographs

785
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,060
"which were prepared
during or which relate

786
00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:30,700
"to your activities in
Europe from 1939 to 1945."

787
00:47:32,810 --> 00:47:35,700
That's a pretty big net if you ask me

788
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:39,740
- Rudolph was the only one
we could make a case against

789
00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:41,600
and we didn't threaten him,

790
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,230
he made that agreement
of his own free will.

791
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:46,240
- Well why didn't you announce it?

792
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:48,570
Your first big fish,

793
00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:53,030
your first so-called paperclip
immigrant to be deported.

794
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:57,470
Why wait until nine months
after the agreement was made,

795
00:47:57,470 --> 00:48:01,020
and four months after my
client was back in Germany?

796
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:04,290
- The state department
didn't want us to announce.

797
00:48:04,290 --> 00:48:05,990
They were having trouble with the Germans

798
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:08,270
who didn't want this, where happy to have

799
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:09,390
this individual returning to 'em.

800
00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:11,530
- They must have been even less happy

801
00:48:11,530 --> 00:48:13,960
when they wasted three years
trying to prove you were right

802
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,220
to expel 'em in the first place.

803
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:18,620
Isn't the truth, Mr. Sher, that you

804
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:21,160
and your zealous colleagues have built

805
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,660
a nice career chasing
down vulnerable old men?

806
00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:28,160
- That is not true, that
is a vial distortion.

807
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,550
And I know that as your
stock in trade, Madam,

808
00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:34,050
you are a Holocaust
denier, plain and simple.

809
00:48:34,050 --> 00:48:35,620
We know your purpose here today,

810
00:48:35,620 --> 00:48:39,110
and Rudolph's, is to
embarrass the U.S government.

811
00:48:39,110 --> 00:48:40,700
- A denier!

812
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:43,880
I suppose you refer to my defense

813
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,400
of an individual's constitutional
right to free speech,

814
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,960
but it is not my record as a
defender that's at issue here.

815
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,650
It is at your record as a prosecutor.

816
00:48:55,590 --> 00:49:00,590
Who could blame my client for
wanting his one day in court?

817
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,620
God knows you wouldn't give it to him.

818
00:49:02,620 --> 00:49:04,970
- Believe me Madam, nothing
would have made us happier

819
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:06,590
than to put Rudolph on the stand

820
00:49:06,590 --> 00:49:08,670
and expose him and the militaries,

821
00:49:08,670 --> 00:49:12,800
the U.S militaries complicity
in bringing him to the U.S.

822
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:16,950
Do you think I really believe deportation

823
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:18,330
is sufficient punishment?

824
00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:20,440
- We all know perfectly
well you'd be happy

825
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,150
to intern anyone you say was anywhere near

826
00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:25,500
the German regime during the war.

827
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:28,370
Guilt by association
is good enough for you.

828
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:30,380
- How can you of all people

829
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:32,760
make accusations about interment?

830
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,890
You're making a career out of
defending death camp guards

831
00:49:35,890 --> 00:49:37,570
and now mass murderers.

832
00:49:37,570 --> 00:49:42,370
- Okay, now that's enough,
that's more than enough.

833
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:46,730
Ms. Kulaszka, do you
have any more questions,

834
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:50,500
and I mean questions, for this witness?

835
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:53,920
- No sir, I am through with this witness.

836
00:50:00,450 --> 00:50:03,410
- And it just turned out
that he was the only person

837
00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:07,380
that OSI could really pin something on.

838
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:11,510
And even there, I think
it was a little marginal.

839
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:15,300
They used the only thing they
had to try to get him to sign

840
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:19,240
a voluntary agreement to
leave, because if it had gone

841
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:22,420
to a hearing, a denaturalization hearing

842
00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:26,380
to lose his citizenship, he
might have successfully pleaded

843
00:50:26,380 --> 00:50:29,100
to a judge that he really wasn't guilty

844
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:30,980
and he really wanted
to help the prisoners,

845
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:32,380
and it really wasn't fair.

846
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,630
- You're witness, Mr. McIntosh.

847
00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:44,240
- We've heard about why these
Nazis weren't investigated

848
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,740
for many years, but how
did they remain hidden

849
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:50,920
in plain sight for so long?

850
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,230
Why wasn't the evidence
against them obvious?

851
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:57,370
- Because it had been
hidden by the U.S military

852
00:50:57,370 --> 00:50:59,590
and intelligence community.

853
00:50:59,590 --> 00:51:03,350
It took many applications
under the 1976 Sunshine Act

854
00:51:03,350 --> 00:51:06,240
to secure the relevant war's end records.

855
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:11,110
There was a highly organized
plot to bring Nazi engineers

856
00:51:11,110 --> 00:51:13,840
to the U.S and then cover it up.

857
00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:19,130
This is what we now know was
called Project Paperclip.

858
00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:22,800
It was against a direct presidential order

859
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,800
to allow any active Nazi
party member into the U.S.

860
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,490
Military intelligence believed
their needs overrode the law,

861
00:51:33,690 --> 00:51:37,250
but many of these immigrants
still had damning information

862
00:51:37,250 --> 00:51:41,270
in the files from their
first interrogations in 1945.

863
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,040
The name paperclip came from the fact

864
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,110
that the spooks would simply
place a paperclip on a file

865
00:51:49,110 --> 00:51:51,990
to tell OMGUS it needed
cleaning before it was submitted

866
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:53,190
to the state department.

867
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:57,500
- So what have you discovered that was not

868
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:59,490
in the OMGUS file?

869
00:51:59,490 --> 00:52:04,030
- We found the original records
of Rudolph's interrogation

870
00:52:04,030 --> 00:52:05,900
in June, 1945.

871
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:10,280
It contained Rudolph's
Nazi party membership card,

872
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,140
dated 1931, something that
never made it to the later file.

873
00:52:15,140 --> 00:52:17,900
It also contained a handwritten note

874
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:21,100
from that interrogation,
which said, quote,

875
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:25,940
"100% Nazi, dangerous type,

876
00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:29,200
"security threat, suggest internment."

877
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,440
- What was your evidence that
Dr. Rudolph was complicit

878
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,810
in the use of slave labor?

879
00:52:35,810 --> 00:52:39,320
- You mean beyond his own
testimony and confession?

880
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,880
- Well, he has made it
clear that his plea bargain

881
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,490
in 1983 was made under duress
and he now withdraws it.

882
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:47,420
- Is that right?

883
00:52:48,590 --> 00:52:49,420
Okay.

884
00:52:50,450 --> 00:52:55,450
We have gathered a number of files.

885
00:52:55,770 --> 00:52:58,610
The first is an order from the 1947 DAC,

886
00:52:58,610 --> 00:53:03,610
our war crimes trial, is a
note from V2 program COSS,

887
00:53:04,090 --> 00:53:06,470
general Kamala to all managers.

888
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:09,300
Now, almost incredibly, it is complaining

889
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:11,720
that civilian managers at Mittelwerk

890
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:15,810
are to stop beating and even
stabbing prisoner workers

891
00:53:15,810 --> 00:53:19,410
for quote, "Any petty offense."

892
00:53:19,410 --> 00:53:22,220
Basically Kamala was annoyed
that civilian managers

893
00:53:22,220 --> 00:53:23,820
were doing the job of the SS.

894
00:53:24,830 --> 00:53:26,200
The order said.

895
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,620
"If a prisoner is guilty of a violation

896
00:53:28,620 --> 00:53:30,540
"and a written statement of the incident,

897
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:32,650
"together with a name and
number of the prisoners

898
00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:35,520
"should be brought to
the attention of the SS."

899
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,220
Now all managers were required
to sign a distribution list

900
00:53:39,220 --> 00:53:40,500
to acknowledge receipt.

901
00:53:41,610 --> 00:53:45,740
The capital letters,
AR are clearly visible

902
00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:49,810
on that list and it is
established no one else

903
00:53:49,810 --> 00:53:51,140
had those initials

904
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:54,490
- [Announcer] At a lunch recess,
a fighting match broke out

905
00:53:54,490 --> 00:53:57,060
between a member of the Jewish
defense league and one of

906
00:53:57,060 --> 00:53:58,400
Rudolph's American supporters.
- I heard about this trial

907
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,530
in Toronto, and I said,
there are documents here

908
00:54:02,530 --> 00:54:05,400
that implicate Rudolf in the decision

909
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,260
to use concentration camp labor.

910
00:54:07,260 --> 00:54:11,200
And he said, "If I get the
documents directly from you,

911
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,310
"I will have to name you
in court as a witness

912
00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:18,040
"and your identity as doing
this will be revealed."

913
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,170
So I said, okay, then in
that case I'll just tell you

914
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:24,210
where the documents are and you go

915
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:27,870
and you send somebody to
Fribourg and get copies of it.

916
00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:31,680
- Mike Neufeld found a
reference to it in a book,

917
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,810
in a footnote, a book
that from our perspective

918
00:54:35,810 --> 00:54:39,450
was very obscure, a German
book, and we then pursued it

919
00:54:39,450 --> 00:54:41,530
with the German federal
archive in Freiburg,

920
00:54:41,530 --> 00:54:45,340
but we are absolutely indebted
to Mike Neufeld for that.

921
00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:50,340
- Now even more damning is a
signed memo dated April 16th,

922
00:54:50,350 --> 00:54:55,300
1943, from Rudolph to
the V2 special committee.

923
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:56,570
It was found in the minutes of a meeting

924
00:54:56,570 --> 00:55:01,200
at the Berlin locomotive
works on June 3rd, 1943.

925
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,810
It contains the report of a visit

926
00:55:02,810 --> 00:55:05,880
to the HINDCO aircraft
factory in Iranian Burg,

927
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,520
North of Berlin.

928
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,280
Now the works have recently ramped up

929
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,280
to 4,000 prisoner workers, and
this system has worked well

930
00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:21,580
and the employment of detainees
has considerable advantages.

931
00:55:23,060 --> 00:55:27,140
It concludes, production of V2's

932
00:55:27,140 --> 00:55:29,870
can be carried out by detainees.

933
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:34,380
Now this clearly shows that
Dr. Rudolph was an advocate

934
00:55:34,380 --> 00:55:38,040
of slave labor, even before
he arrived at Mittelwerk.

935
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,630
- That is a fake, fake.

936
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:42,590
(speaking in foreign language)

937
00:55:42,590 --> 00:55:43,430
That is a lie.

938
00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:49,080
- Mr. Adjudicator, this
evidence was not disclosed

939
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,050
to me until this morning.

940
00:55:51,050 --> 00:55:53,830
Mr. Sher, did you have
the alleged evidence

941
00:55:53,830 --> 00:55:56,650
in your possession in 1983?

942
00:55:56,650 --> 00:55:59,050
- No.
- Well where did it come from?

943
00:55:59,050 --> 00:56:01,640
- If I may, Mr. Adjudicator.

944
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,070
The Providence of evidence
is a sensitive issue.

945
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,030
The source may be under confidentiality

946
00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:10,160
or employment agreements,

947
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,800
but it doesn't dilute its credibility.

948
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,950
- Mr. Macintosh, I don't
have to know the source

949
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:20,790
of every piece of evidence, but
if I do not know the source,

950
00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:23,650
that will very much affect my judgment

951
00:56:23,650 --> 00:56:26,220
as to the weight I should give it.

952
00:56:28,090 --> 00:56:28,920
- Thank you.

953
00:56:30,580 --> 00:56:31,960
Mr. Sher.

954
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,110
- It's a remarkable document.

955
00:56:34,110 --> 00:56:38,660
Rudolph reports on his trip
and explains that the aircraft

956
00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:42,900
are being assembled by a
concentration camp inmates,

957
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:46,310
that discipline is enforced by the SS

958
00:56:46,310 --> 00:56:49,140
and that it works very, very well there,

959
00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:52,090
and we should do the same thing.

960
00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:54,570
I was astonished when I saw that document

961
00:56:54,570 --> 00:56:57,270
because when we questioned Rudolph,

962
00:56:59,130 --> 00:57:02,610
one of the things he
emphasized was the idea that,

963
00:57:02,610 --> 00:57:05,680
well, I certainly
would've preferred to have

964
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,680
had civilian labor, Germans,
not concentration camp inmates,

965
00:57:11,070 --> 00:57:14,060
that was not my decision.

966
00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:16,500
Well, in fact, it was a decision made

967
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:18,200
on his own recommendation.

968
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:23,200
From the Nazi perspective,
it had value so to speak,

969
00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:26,520
first of all, the
prisoners didn't get paid

970
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,920
or hardly got paid, and
they never were free.

971
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,910
They could never talk to anyone
about the secrets of the V2

972
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:39,690
and the factory, because
they were never going home.

973
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:42,500
It really is a smoking gun.

974
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:48,900
- Mary Duncan, you have been
an expert witness since 1971.

975
00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:51,300
You are a member of the advisory board

976
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:54,500
of the World Association
of Document Examiners.

977
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:55,770
- Yes.

978
00:57:55,770 --> 00:57:57,510
- Can you determine whether a signature

979
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:59,380
on a document is authentic?

980
00:57:59,380 --> 00:58:00,580
- Yes, I can.

981
00:58:00,580 --> 00:58:02,180
- And is it always possible

982
00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:05,060
to be 100% definitive about that?

983
00:58:05,060 --> 00:58:06,040
- Not always

984
00:58:07,490 --> 00:58:10,740
No one writes their names
the same way all the time.

985
00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:14,180
In fact, no one writes their
name the same way twice.

986
00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:17,560
And over the years, there's
a natural variation.

987
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:22,560
So looking at the signatures
from the 1940s and 80s,

988
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,520
one can see that the formation
of the R has changed.

989
00:58:30,580 --> 00:58:32,060
To a more printed version.

990
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:43,250
However, there are still
strong similarities.

991
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,540
I have taken the signature in question,

992
00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:50,700
put it under transparency.

993
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:53,200
(eerie music)

994
00:59:01,070 --> 00:59:06,070
As you can see it matches extremely well.

995
00:59:11,410 --> 00:59:12,860
- So what is your conclusion?

996
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:17,250
- My conclusion is that the HINDCO memo

997
00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:20,060
was signed by the same
individual who signed

998
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:22,150
all the samples I was given.

999
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,150
- Thank you.

1000
00:59:25,150 --> 00:59:26,300
No further questions.

1001
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:30,590
- So what happened with the
Mittelwerk at the very end

1002
00:59:30,590 --> 00:59:35,590
was that around the 1st of
April, 1945, they got the news

1003
00:59:35,820 --> 00:59:38,410
that the allies were
breaking across the Rhine

1004
00:59:38,410 --> 00:59:41,040
and were rushing rapidly
in their direction.

1005
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,040
And so SS general Kammler,
who was now the chief man

1006
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,040
in charge sent about 500
key engineers to Bavaria.

1007
00:59:50,830 --> 00:59:54,040
And so Von Braun and Rudolph
were among this group

1008
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,680
that were sent off to
what was supposed to be

1009
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,780
the Alpine redoubt.

1010
00:59:58,780 --> 01:00:03,390
So they left hurriedly right
near the beginning of April.

1011
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:08,980
I mean, certainly at this point

1012
01:00:08,980 --> 01:00:11,400
the technical intelligence
in the U.S army,

1013
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,680
the British army,
certainly also the Soviets

1014
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,050
and the French were very
interested in interviewing

1015
01:00:17,050 --> 01:00:18,380
the V2 leadership.

1016
01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:19,770
Just after that time,

1017
01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:24,590
the U.S army rolled over
Nordhausen and Buchenwald.

1018
01:00:24,590 --> 01:00:29,590
- In early April the U.S army
is advancing on April 11th,

1019
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,290
the Dora camp, the many sub
camps of the Mittelbau complex

1020
01:00:34,290 --> 01:00:39,260
was liberated, but only about
800 prisoners were here.

1021
01:00:39,260 --> 01:00:44,260
about 40,000 were on
deportation and death marches

1022
01:00:44,350 --> 01:00:46,440
and thousands were still dying.

1023
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,950
And this is similar to
the whole break down

1024
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,960
and of course the SS was also on the move

1025
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,160
and pretty much escaping

1026
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:01,160
and trying to get to the Western zone

1027
01:01:01,290 --> 01:01:05,690
to be arrested by the British or US army,

1028
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:08,100
not of course less by the Soviets

1029
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:15,060
- I was a private first class
in company L, 414th regiment,

1030
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,040
104th infantry division.

1031
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,680
- For me that was very interesting to see

1032
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:25,680
how someone grapples with
this past in Huntsville

1033
01:01:26,580 --> 01:01:31,010
who had direct experience with
what had happened in Germany.

1034
01:01:31,010 --> 01:01:33,250
- So on the morning of April 11th

1035
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,050
we were totally unprepared
for the events of that

1036
01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:38,670
and the following days.

1037
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,000
Reports from civilians
and prisoners indicated

1038
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,770
that the very disorganized
enemy had withdrawn

1039
01:01:46,770 --> 01:01:49,430
to positions in the mountains

1040
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:53,110
and so we advanced on
Nordhausen where the full horror

1041
01:01:53,110 --> 01:01:55,850
of man's ultimate inhumanity was revealed

1042
01:01:56,780 --> 01:02:00,100
as the city fell before
a heavy artillery attack

1043
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:01,160
on the 11th.

1044
01:02:02,570 --> 01:02:05,980
Here we discovered a camp
of slave laborers who worked

1045
01:02:05,980 --> 01:02:10,540
at the Mittelwerk, some two
miles Northwest of Nordhausen.

1046
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:14,380
A huge underground V bomb facility

1047
01:02:14,380 --> 01:02:18,620
where some 25,000 slave laborers produced

1048
01:02:18,620 --> 01:02:20,980
the V1 and V2 bombs.

1049
01:02:22,050 --> 01:02:26,870
Nearby on the edge of the
city was a concentration camp

1050
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:30,560
where we found some 5,000 corpses

1051
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,830
and some 6,000 others in
various stages of decay.

1052
01:02:35,970 --> 01:02:40,070
Corpses were scattered throughout
buildings and the grounds,

1053
01:02:40,070 --> 01:02:43,920
some had obviously been killed
as a result of our attack,

1054
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,140
fresh blood mixed with stale blood

1055
01:02:47,340 --> 01:02:50,710
and the stench of rotting flesh.

1056
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:54,150
That stench was overbearing
and some of the prisoners

1057
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:57,200
had been badly burned as well.

1058
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,580
We did not know that a
crematorium was to be found

1059
01:03:00,580 --> 01:03:04,100
at the camp itself where
more than 100 individuals

1060
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:05,690
were burned daily.

1061
01:03:05,690 --> 01:03:10,130
The camp then exceeded the
worst possible nightmare,

1062
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:13,340
men and a few women lay as they had died,

1063
01:03:13,340 --> 01:03:17,970
starved, discolored, and all,
both the living and the dead,

1064
01:03:17,970 --> 01:03:21,320
where in the most incredible,
indescribable human filth.

1065
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,510
Their striped coats
and prison numbers hung

1066
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:30,420
on their frames as a last token
of those who enslaved them.

1067
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,760
It was like stepping
back into the dark ages

1068
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,620
to walk into dark cellar
rooms, to seek out the living.

1069
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,790
It was like walking into a world apart

1070
01:03:42,790 --> 01:03:44,100
and returning to bring

1071
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:47,820
those wretched shadow men into daylight.

1072
01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:51,260
Today I see a crime so heinous
that I'm ashamed to think

1073
01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:53,300
that I'm a member of the human race.

1074
01:03:54,190 --> 01:03:56,980
I know that we haven't
reached a civilized stage

1075
01:03:56,980 --> 01:03:58,920
in any sense.

1076
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,420
Certainly we cannot
speak of the middle ages

1077
01:04:01,420 --> 01:04:04,410
or the dark ages of civilization.

1078
01:04:04,410 --> 01:04:07,050
It affected me to such
an extent that I wonder

1079
01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:10,940
how there can be a God,
a just Supreme being

1080
01:04:10,940 --> 01:04:14,480
that would tolerate such mass
suffering by innocent people.

1081
01:04:16,330 --> 01:04:20,250
(speaking in foreign language)

1082
01:06:04,430 --> 01:06:06,840
- Thank you, Mr. McIntosh.

1083
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,300
I'd like you and Ms. Kulaszka
to take a few moments each

1084
01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:14,960
to sum up before I reach my verdict.

1085
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,800
You first, Ms Kulaszka.

1086
01:06:23,370 --> 01:06:25,310
- Dr. Rudolph wants to enter Canada

1087
01:06:25,310 --> 01:06:27,390
to visit with his
daughter and some friends

1088
01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:28,940
who have come here to meet him.

1089
01:06:30,700 --> 01:06:33,060
He is an old, sick man.

1090
01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:37,720
And if he is denied this opportunity,

1091
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,140
he will not get another one.

1092
01:06:41,030 --> 01:06:44,890
Canada argues that he
should not be allowed in

1093
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,320
because he committed crimes in the war,

1094
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,830
and that meant he should
have been on the banned list

1095
01:06:50,830 --> 01:06:55,210
of 1945, but that he
falsified his way into America

1096
01:06:55,210 --> 01:06:56,810
with the help of the government.

1097
01:06:58,030 --> 01:07:01,240
And no one denies the Nazi
regime were responsible

1098
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,340
for war crimes, but to be
at the scene of the crime

1099
01:07:05,340 --> 01:07:08,130
does not make you guilty of that crime,

1100
01:07:08,130 --> 01:07:11,880
especially when you had no
choice about your presence.

1101
01:07:13,810 --> 01:07:16,960
The OSI acted like a predator,

1102
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,850
bringing down an old and
wounded member of the herd

1103
01:07:21,850 --> 01:07:24,090
when he was isolated and vulnerable.

1104
01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:29,810
They threw around
unsubstantiated accusations,

1105
01:07:29,810 --> 01:07:32,580
made threats they had
no jurisdiction to make,

1106
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,380
and made a vague trail of evidence sound

1107
01:07:36,380 --> 01:07:39,130
like an open and shut case,
that's why they cut a deal.

1108
01:07:40,270 --> 01:07:44,300
An agreement that was
made under extreme duress

1109
01:07:44,300 --> 01:07:47,050
and for that reason would
not survive the scrutiny

1110
01:07:47,050 --> 01:07:50,850
of any court in America and
it must not be validated here.

1111
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,970
For justice to mean anything,

1112
01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:58,570
it must be administered in the open

1113
01:07:59,650 --> 01:08:03,650
and not subject to
threats and deals offered

1114
01:08:03,650 --> 01:08:06,770
by a bunch of zealots
who have somehow acquire

1115
01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:08,910
the status of law enforcement.

1116
01:08:10,610 --> 01:08:15,100
The hounding of this man
who has spent 38 years

1117
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:18,520
in the service of the United
States in the cold war

1118
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,670
with a central contribution
to the moonshot

1119
01:08:21,670 --> 01:08:24,120
and was rightly honored for it, must stop.

1120
01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:29,530
And you sir should bring
it to an end here and now.

1121
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:33,330
Thank you

1122
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,190
- Mr. McIntosh.

1123
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,940
- There is no statute of
limitation on war crimes.

1124
01:08:53,940 --> 01:08:57,550
Age or health are not relevant
when we are holding people

1125
01:08:57,550 --> 01:08:59,430
to account for what are some

1126
01:08:59,430 --> 01:09:01,440
of the worst crimes ever committed.

1127
01:09:03,140 --> 01:09:05,200
My learned friend says
that being at the scene

1128
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,470
of the crime is not
automatically a sign of guilt,

1129
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:11,160
but when it comes to
crimes against humanity,

1130
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,880
we are testing whether
they were committed by act

1131
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,020
or by omission.

1132
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,250
In a sense it is a legal enshrinement

1133
01:09:19,250 --> 01:09:23,420
of Edmund Burkes admonishment
that for evil to triumph

1134
01:09:23,420 --> 01:09:26,110
all that is required is
for good men to do nothing.

1135
01:09:27,150 --> 01:09:29,870
Not sir, that I believe we should dwell

1136
01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:33,400
on the nuance of act or omission,

1137
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,680
or I submit whether or not we are dealing

1138
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:36,960
with a good man here.

1139
01:09:38,510 --> 01:09:40,570
My learned friend would have us believe

1140
01:09:40,570 --> 01:09:42,630
this is a wronged man,

1141
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:45,010
bullied by authorities
who had called his bluff

1142
01:09:45,010 --> 01:09:47,310
because they had nothing
substantial to go on.

1143
01:09:48,290 --> 01:09:51,600
Well, we may all have opinions on how

1144
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,480
the U.S agencies involved
here conducted themselves.

1145
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:57,770
Clearly those complicit
in bringing Dr. Rudolph

1146
01:09:57,770 --> 01:09:59,870
and his colleagues to the States in 1945

1147
01:09:59,870 --> 01:10:03,570
have a case to answer,
but doubtless never will.

1148
01:10:05,490 --> 01:10:07,170
I do agree with my learned friend,

1149
01:10:07,170 --> 01:10:09,750
justice should be blind but
it should never be conducted

1150
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:10,650
in the dark.

1151
01:10:11,780 --> 01:10:15,340
Now, let us leave aside
what might've happened

1152
01:10:15,340 --> 01:10:17,600
and focus on what indisputably did.

1153
01:10:18,570 --> 01:10:21,330
Forcible confinement or enslavement

1154
01:10:21,330 --> 01:10:23,180
as the Canadian criminal code has it.

1155
01:10:24,270 --> 01:10:26,560
In this case, it was used for the purpose

1156
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,930
of building deadly weapons
to be fired against

1157
01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:30,480
the prisoner's own home countries.

1158
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:33,770
Right there are two counts
under the code in the category

1159
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:35,270
of crimes against humanity.

1160
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,840
Now, while committing
the crime by omission

1161
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,440
will do for the law, I
say there is no doubt

1162
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:45,120
that through his advocacy of slave labor,

1163
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,530
that Dr. Rudolph was guilty
of conspiracy to enslave.

1164
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,410
There is no other explanation

1165
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:54,110
for the HINDCO works memo of April, 1943.

1166
01:10:56,660 --> 01:10:59,360
I also submit that at the
very least by omission,

1167
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,670
Dr. Rudolph is guilty of persecution.

1168
01:11:03,130 --> 01:11:06,310
His assertion of a lack of awareness

1169
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:09,100
of the appalling conditions
and the very frequent deaths

1170
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:11,080
of prisoners throughout
his time at Mittelwerk,

1171
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,780
beggars belief and
brings willful blindness

1172
01:11:14,780 --> 01:11:16,220
to a whole new level.

1173
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:22,990
This is a highly intelligent,
highly organized individual,

1174
01:11:24,490 --> 01:11:26,630
perhaps the most proficient
production engineer

1175
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:27,710
of his generation.

1176
01:11:28,810 --> 01:11:32,450
When he took charge, he broke
new records for V2 production.

1177
01:11:33,850 --> 01:11:36,470
Are we to believe he didn't notice,

1178
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:39,220
he took no interest in the
conditions of his workers?

1179
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,370
He says he couldn't resist
the regime of the SS.

1180
01:11:46,090 --> 01:11:49,120
This was a man whom the
Nazis knew was central

1181
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,690
to their wonder weapon,

1182
01:11:50,690 --> 01:11:53,310
their last chance of
turning the war around.

1183
01:11:53,310 --> 01:11:57,290
He was vital, second only to
his mentor, Wernher von Braun.

1184
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,500
Are we to believe that
these people could not

1185
01:12:00,500 --> 01:12:02,430
have made a stand for better conditions

1186
01:12:02,430 --> 01:12:04,030
if they had really cared?

1187
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,850
The prisoners were a means to an end,

1188
01:12:12,590 --> 01:12:14,960
and that end was 800 rockets a month.

1189
01:12:16,650 --> 01:12:19,050
If it were more efficient to work a series

1190
01:12:19,050 --> 01:12:23,180
of shifts to death than to
keep one shift fit and healthy,

1191
01:12:24,210 --> 01:12:25,040
then so be it.

1192
01:12:29,190 --> 01:12:32,600
The vengeance two missile really
was an exceptional weapon.

1193
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,450
I'm sure it must be the
only weapon in history

1194
01:12:36,450 --> 01:12:39,150
to have killed far more
people in the making of it

1195
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,040
than were ever killed when it were used.

1196
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:48,960
Sir, I submit that Dr. Rudolf
is guilty of war crimes

1197
01:12:50,810 --> 01:12:52,530
and must be deported.

1198
01:12:55,150 --> 01:12:57,490
(sad music)

1199
01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:11,880
- [Narrator] If in the end,
the V2 was to permit man

1200
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,210
to go to the moon, this futuristic program

1201
01:13:15,210 --> 01:13:17,600
did not grant Nazi Germany the possibility

1202
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:18,580
of winning the war.

1203
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,880
On the contrary, the
obsession with rockets

1204
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,400
and the diversion of resources at caused,

1205
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,150
probably contributed
decisively in the precipitation

1206
01:13:28,150 --> 01:13:30,350
of the irreversible
fall of the third Reich.

1207
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:36,160
While the bodies of Dora's
martyrs were still warm,

1208
01:13:37,020 --> 01:13:39,840
the allies impassively
organized the recovery

1209
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,290
of the V2s and Nazi scientists.

1210
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,770
The curtain lowered on the
tragedy of Dora is so opaque,

1211
01:13:47,770 --> 01:13:50,200
that I have come to believe
that in the icy domain

1212
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,310
of state reasoning, anything,

1213
01:13:53,660 --> 01:13:56,380
absolutely anything can happen.

1214
01:13:58,990 --> 01:14:01,410
(sad music)



