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I remember we was there one day

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and the guy was like
in the jacket like this,

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we are hanging out
and they say "look this!"

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"What the fuck! What is this?"

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“Yeah, it's a book.“

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and then we come to our mother,

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and we make her translate
the whole thing.

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- We drive them crazy.
- Oh, yeah!

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Every day, we say “please
can you... what say here?"

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- And twice!
- "Come again, but what...“

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like... very boring guys.

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When we get this,
our life change.

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We say “wow. I wanna do this.
I wanna paint this.“

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and then we're thinking like,

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"who is the person who take
all these photos?"

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While Henry chalfant
covered the cars

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directly from the platform,

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photographer Martha Cooper
was capturing

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the pieces within
their urban landscape.

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I began to cover

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various aspects of the graffiti
scene and it was fascinating.

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What do you think about graffiti?

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I don't like it,
I don't think anybody does.

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So I was 14, I saw this book
and it was called subway art

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and it was the first thing
I ever stole in my life.

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Well, some of it's art,
some of it isn't.

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What are your
feelings about graffiti?

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It's as much her story,
as it is the story

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of the individuals
that painted those trains.

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Unintentionally, her work...

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Generations of new artists.

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Changed visual culture.

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All over the world.

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How does she have this
passion that continues?

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She's with us, you know,
like, from the beginning.

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Marty was there because
she was fascinated

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with the creativity that's
part of people's daily lives.

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This book literally
became my Bible.

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They look at her
and they say, "ah!

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“There's someone who knows
what I'm doing, and why."

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Look! It's history! She got
it here. All of this.

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And that's our history,
you know?

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Our photographs have become
a permanent record of something

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that 20 years from now
or 50 years from now

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or even 100 years from now

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is gonna be really
rare and unusual

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Well, it's something
which is gone,

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all the pieces in the book
are gone.

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Oh, how about these?
This is a good collection!

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How about this?
Look at this and this!

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Like, these are all negatives.

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These are... this is slides

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and, like, information
relating to the slides.

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These are all collections.

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And I tend to think
in collections.

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We should really
close this... and this.

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Like - 'graffiti unsorted'
and what does that mean?

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Well, that means these
are still in their slide boxes.

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I'm not comfortable
with the idea

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that I'm a legend or an icon.

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One of these has got to work.

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And people keep
using those words

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and they make me feel
really uncomfortable.

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It wasn't the direction
that I was after.

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Come on, smile!

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Come on, smile!

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In fact, what I wanted to
happen, really didn't happen.

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And finally tonight,

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we get a different kind of look

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at how kids in the city
have fun.

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Through the eyes
of a photographer

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who loves to watch them.

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Can we come?

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Yes?

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J" doorman, let me in the door I

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I spent all my money, you ain't
getting no more wages r

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r sure, sir?
Sir, are you sure? 1“

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I in short, I'm not a mop
you can drag 'cross the floor 1“

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r inside, shell shock
she's standing with a guy I

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1“ guys your mans stare him out j"

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rreal polite,
"no, please, no, thanks" I

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I "want a drink?"
"I'm alright" j"

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r beer goggles on
pull the wool, now I'm blind j"

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j' clear as day, I can see j"

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I you make me melt
- sun, ice cream j"

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j" you smooth like felt,
soft to the touch j"

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I you wear repellant,
smell your scent from up above I

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I angel getting carried out... I

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I thought that... yes, and
everybody started running

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and I thought we were
supposed to... and I..

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I was just so confused
I didn't know,

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I thought maybe there were cops

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in the station or something
and I'm running.

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Think of those poor people
that are standing there,

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they don't know,
they think they're...

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You know, there's some sort of
terrorist attack or something.

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Like, ten people run in
and start spraying on the walls.

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I concentrated on that somebody
was doing a big smiley face.

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Talk about vandalism, this
was like vandalism times ten!

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Obviously... it's like...

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We're not talking little smiley,

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we're talking smiley
that covered the entire wall.

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I very badly wanted to be
a photographer.

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I was willing to do
whatever it took,

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and it turned out it took a lot.

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Most collectors of photographica

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don't collect
these little film wallets,

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but I just love the graphics.

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Look at this one.

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Women have always
been photographers.

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Look at the huge camera...
She really knows how to use it.

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Kodak marketed cameras
to women from the 18005,

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but for some reason it got
to be, sort of, a man's job.

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So right then,
it was really hard

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for a women to break into,
like, magazine photography.

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It was the heyday of

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black-and-white photojournalism.

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I didn't have any clue

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about how you would have
a career as a photographer.

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I really just wanted to go take
pictures in foreign places.

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Luckily for me,

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president Kennedy
started the peace corps.

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The corps will be a pool
of trained men and women

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sent overseas by
the United States government,

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to help foreign countries

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meet their urgent needs
for skilled manpower.

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It's our hope to have
between 500...

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And I used to mail back
the film to my father.

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She wrote me and said

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she wanted to get a motorcycle

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and she wanted to travel
from Thailand to england.

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The Vietnam war was going on,

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any of the guys had to go home
and register right away,

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but as a girl, you know,
there wasn't any expectation.

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56 years worth of travel.

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Whoa! Now there's a passport!

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I remember reading
in the newspaper

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about a national geographic
internship.

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National geographic!
A photographer's dream job.

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The image is just as romantic
today as it ever was.

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I immediately thought,
wow I want that!

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I used my pictures from the
peace corps and I got accepted

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and spent the summer as an
intern at national geographic

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they had never had a girl...

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A woman, a girl. Whatever.

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So that was a real foot
in the door.

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We went in different
directions as we got older,

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because I did have a child,
she got married.

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Maybe if we had put it together

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we would have had a marriage
with a child but we didn't.

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We each did half of what one's
supposed to do in life.

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My husband was
an anthropologist,

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he did his field work in Japan.

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My ultimate goal was to work
for national geographic.

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I saw a guy completely tattooed.

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I had never seen
this kind of tattooing.

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To me it seemed like this would make

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an excellent story for
an American magazine.

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I was writing proposals
like crazy.

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I thought this would
be my foot in the door.

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And they didn't use the story.

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Sometimes you think
you have a great idea,

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and it just doesn't fly.

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We came back, he got a job

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at the
university of Rhode Island.

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To being a national geographic
photographer

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was to work for a newspaper.

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I managed to work for

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the narragansett times
and the standard times,

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these were weekly newspapers
in Rhode Island.

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I was making a big effort

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to be what I called
a 'real photographer'

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and a real photographer to me

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meant self-supporting.

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Gloria steinem started
Ms. Magazine.

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I read an article written
by a woman

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who followed her
academic husband around.

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And I recognised myself

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and I realised I didn't really
want to be in Rhode Island.

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I wanted to be in New York City
where all the publishing was.

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I'm like, "this is too
small-town for me."

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The narragansett times?
I wanted the New York times.

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I want to be in New York.

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I tried the times, I tried
the daily news... apn, upi.

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She came in, you know,
like a light.

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Tiny, tiny. I think she had
coveralls on, and scurrying.

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You know she was
always scurrying.

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And she sat down and I thought,

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"oh my god,
if this woman can shoot,

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"you know, wouldn't I love
to work with her?"

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Oh, my god.
Did we ever look like that!

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We did.

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That's amazing.

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They needed to beef up
their female staff

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and I came along at a good time.

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I was the first female
staff photographer

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at the New York post.

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The newsroom was amazing.

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Junky, dirty, celebrity, crime,
all that tawdry stuff.

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You showed up, you took pictures

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and you were onto
the next assignment.

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You needed to get that shot.
The perp walk.

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Yeah, I know,
they're all going like this!

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Studio 54 the whole thing

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was that you're supposed
to go there

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and find the celebrities
night after night after night.

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Bill Cunningham.
Excellent facial recognition.

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Turns out that it's, like,
a genetic thing.

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- That you don't have!
- Yes! That I don't have!

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There were runners practicing
for the next Olympics.

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My assignment was look
for cleavage.

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That's all they wanted.

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So, you know, these women
were running around the track.

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- Oh, my god!
- Yeah!

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And all I'm looking for
is which one...

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-Which ones tits were
hanging out?

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Yes! You don't remember?

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Oh, they had no,
I mean, no ethics!

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Nothing. No ethics, no ethics.

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We didn't know where we
were or what we were doing,

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we just knew we had a job to do.

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And I think both of us tried to
do that job the best we could.

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Susan always
wanted feature photos.

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She called them weather shots.

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Just filler pictures.

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That would be a slow news day -

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no accidents, no fires,
nobody's dead,

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nothing you could scare up.

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It's like a blank canvas.

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But she was very good at it

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because she loved people
so much.

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I just sort of fell
in love with New York.

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There was always
something to photograph.

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We were sent on assignments
in all five boroughs,

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so I was free to be anywhere.

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We set up a camera on a roof

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opposite a wounded car
on a New York City street

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and watched what happened
over a period of 14 hours

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The '705 were a very tough
time in New York.

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As neighbours casually look on,

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a group of kids try to break
into a telephone company truck.

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The Bronx, especially,
was literally burning.

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Highest crime,
greatest unemployment

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and the world's record
for arson.

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Gerald Ford would not give money

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to prevent the city
from going bankrupt.

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Landlords decided it was cheaper

250
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to set their buildings on fire

251
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than try to collect
the low rent.

252
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We see the disregard

253
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towards the urban centres
of this country

254
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as a national disgrace.

255
00:16:20,271 --> 00:16:21,671
You wouldn't let
your dog live here!

256
00:16:22,857 --> 00:16:25,400
That's the city into which

257
00:16:25,401 --> 00:16:27,737
Marty Cooper walked
with her camera.

258
00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,037
I used to drive
through alphabet city,

259
00:16:37,038 --> 00:16:41,167
avenues a, b, c and d,
just looking for feature photos.

260
00:16:43,211 --> 00:16:47,715
New York had a reputation
of being dangerous and bombed out

261
00:16:48,383 --> 00:16:50,969
but it was actually a great
place to explore.

262
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She'd bring that work in

263
00:17:16,244 --> 00:17:20,540
and it was so lively,
everything moving.

264
00:17:21,499 --> 00:17:23,834
Like that picture
of that little kid

265
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who was bent over the...

266
00:17:25,962 --> 00:17:27,462
You know just
that body language,

267
00:17:27,463 --> 00:17:29,257
that little tiny body.

268
00:17:29,924 --> 00:17:33,178
She loved that
innocence of childhood.

269
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:37,307
Kids were very creative.

270
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Trying to build
something for themselves

271
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out of the nothing they
found themselves surrounded by.

272
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It was that poverty that gave

273
00:17:49,736 --> 00:17:52,530
this city a soul
and a character.

274
00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:56,491
Even now in my head
and in my skin,

275
00:17:56,492 --> 00:18:01,456
I think about those pictures and
I know how powerful they are

276
00:18:01,623 --> 00:18:03,707
and how they are my story,

277
00:18:03,708 --> 00:18:05,627
and the story
of many young people,

278
00:18:06,211 --> 00:18:10,673
and of this city,
of what this city endured.

279
00:18:14,969 --> 00:18:17,680
I saw this boy with
an airplane that he had made,

280
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and it was in pieces
and connected by a single nail,

281
00:18:21,935 --> 00:18:23,852
and he was throwing it
on the ground

282
00:18:23,853 --> 00:18:25,187
and the airplane
would fall apart

283
00:18:25,188 --> 00:18:27,508
and he'd pick it up and put it
back together with this nail

284
00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,316
and I'm like "yeah! That's it!"

285
00:18:29,317 --> 00:18:31,068
They could do all kinds
of creative things

286
00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:33,196
with minimal materials,

287
00:18:33,488 --> 00:18:35,489
and that's really what
interested me the most,

288
00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:37,951
that they didn't need
complicated playgrounds

289
00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,369
or expensive toys
to enjoy themselves.

290
00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:44,122
Kids were playing hopscotch,
play stickball, stoop ball,

291
00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:46,166
ringolevio, hot peas and butter,

292
00:18:46,167 --> 00:18:48,628
all these games that we
used to play. Skilzies.

293
00:18:50,713 --> 00:18:55,676
Making go karts,
painting their tags on the wall

294
00:18:55,677 --> 00:18:58,220
The artefact of
the toy caught my eye

295
00:18:58,221 --> 00:19:01,307
as much as what the kids
were doing with it.

296
00:19:01,724 --> 00:19:04,309
This was my brother's camera,

297
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:06,437
when he was, like,
three or something,

298
00:19:06,813 --> 00:19:08,690
and he was very clever with it.

299
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:15,737
And... it has a slate
that you could draw,

300
00:19:15,738 --> 00:19:17,990
and he actually used it...

301
00:19:17,991 --> 00:19:21,202
So he would pretend
to take a picture

302
00:19:21,869 --> 00:19:24,330
And maybe he would pre-draw
something on the slate,

303
00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:26,331
and then he would
pull out the slate

304
00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:28,166
and it would have
a little drawing on it.

305
00:19:28,167 --> 00:19:32,337
This is the eraser for
the slate, super creative.

306
00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:34,715
That moment in time

307
00:19:34,716 --> 00:19:38,678
gave birth to a tremendous
number of things

308
00:19:38,845 --> 00:19:43,808
which Marty Cooper's camera
and her genius captured.

309
00:19:45,101 --> 00:19:47,853
It's not something you
could do in a week or a month,

310
00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:51,982
but you could do in a year if
you have your camera every day,

311
00:19:51,983 --> 00:19:53,401
and the kids got to know me.

312
00:19:55,862 --> 00:19:57,112
Pigeons? You know,

313
00:19:57,113 --> 00:19:58,864
like who thinks about
pigeons in New York?

314
00:19:58,865 --> 00:20:00,408
Nobody! But Coop did!

315
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,996
You know, climb, climb, climb,
climb, way up on the roof

316
00:20:05,997 --> 00:20:10,543
and learn about how it was done
and who kept pigeons and why.

317
00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:12,920
She would get to
the heart of something.

318
00:20:18,092 --> 00:20:19,343
One of those boys showed me

319
00:20:19,344 --> 00:20:21,553
his little notebook
with graffiti drawings

320
00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:23,597
and explained that
he was practicing

321
00:20:23,598 --> 00:20:25,892
to paint his name on a wall.

322
00:20:28,102 --> 00:20:33,066
And that was the first time that
I understood what graffiti was.

323
00:20:36,486 --> 00:20:37,945
And when I expressed interest

324
00:20:38,112 --> 00:20:40,281
he said "well, I can introduce
you to a king."

325
00:20:47,121 --> 00:20:50,082
We drove up there,
went down into this basement.

326
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,385
And then these kids.

327
00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:04,430
I didn't know what
those kids were.

328
00:21:05,431 --> 00:21:07,141
The had the talent
that they had.

329
00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:09,976
The king turned out to be dondi,

330
00:21:09,977 --> 00:21:11,853
who was considered to be

331
00:21:11,854 --> 00:21:14,440
one of the greatest of
all the graffiti kings.

332
00:21:15,483 --> 00:21:19,569
He recognised my name
from a photo

333
00:21:19,570 --> 00:21:23,324
of a wall that
he had painted his tag on.

334
00:21:30,248 --> 00:21:32,917
He was, I can tell you,
very articulate.

335
00:21:33,084 --> 00:21:35,253
He described
these big pieces to me.

336
00:21:35,962 --> 00:21:39,923
Amazing beautiful artwork,

337
00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:43,552
tiny drawings of these trains.

338
00:21:43,553 --> 00:21:45,304
Oh, they were beautiful,
these books.

339
00:21:47,974 --> 00:21:49,349
I was just astounded,

340
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:51,601
first of all, I didn't know
that they even drew

341
00:21:51,602 --> 00:21:53,688
before they went to the yards.

342
00:21:55,189 --> 00:21:56,606
And then the thought
of her going

343
00:21:56,607 --> 00:21:59,444
into the yards at night
with those guys.

344
00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:10,370
I spent about
eight hours one night,

345
00:22:10,371 --> 00:22:12,665
watching him do a piece.

346
00:22:14,542 --> 00:22:16,585
A top-to-bottom whole car.

347
00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:23,050
It was fascinating.

348
00:22:33,686 --> 00:22:35,479
So I started going up to the Bronx

349
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,149
looking for locations
where I could see the trains.

350
00:22:43,237 --> 00:22:45,948
I'd never seen any of these,
I'd never noticed any of these.

351
00:22:46,741 --> 00:22:48,617
I had never really looked
at the trains.

352
00:22:58,085 --> 00:23:02,297
I got obsessed with graffiti.

353
00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:12,807
I hadn't understood at first

354
00:23:12,808 --> 00:23:15,186
that kids were writing
their names.

355
00:23:16,354 --> 00:23:17,854
It wasn't like
political graffiti

356
00:23:17,855 --> 00:23:20,357
that was anti something
or pro something,

357
00:23:20,358 --> 00:23:21,983
it was just a name.

358
00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:24,486
Then I began to recognise names,

359
00:23:24,487 --> 00:23:26,446
dez or daze or doze

360
00:23:26,447 --> 00:23:29,575
and it becomes a game
and I got into the game.

361
00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:36,248
Once I good picture
of an interesting train,

362
00:23:36,249 --> 00:23:38,167
then I didn't want
the same background.

363
00:23:40,211 --> 00:23:42,296
Did I wonder why I was doing it?

364
00:23:42,964 --> 00:23:45,215
No, I did not wonder why
I was doing it,

365
00:23:45,216 --> 00:23:47,301
I was just like,
"where's the next train?"

366
00:23:48,427 --> 00:23:50,095
Picture New York subways,

367
00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:53,598
most people see grime and
graffiti, letters and symbols

368
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:57,477
and colours, covering the walls,
and assaulting the senses.

369
00:23:57,478 --> 00:24:01,731
We called it writing, we didn't
really called it graffiti.

370
00:24:01,732 --> 00:24:03,608
That was a term
that was really used

371
00:24:03,609 --> 00:24:05,110
by like the mainstream media

372
00:24:05,111 --> 00:24:08,113
to describe 'vandalism'.

373
00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:11,325
We started writing our
names and our street number.

374
00:24:11,492 --> 00:24:13,828
It was kind of like
this fraternal order

375
00:24:13,995 --> 00:24:16,831
where we communicated
through, like, signs.

376
00:24:18,082 --> 00:24:19,791
It wasn't just about
writing a name,

377
00:24:19,792 --> 00:24:22,460
but it was like who was
writing the name the best style

378
00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:25,047
and how can we learn from
them, where are they?

379
00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:28,174
And they started tagging
from the parks

380
00:24:28,175 --> 00:24:30,928
into the subway stations,
onto the trains.

381
00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:35,891
Many of us were also running
away from problems at home.

382
00:24:42,815 --> 00:24:44,608
Extracurricular activities

383
00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:46,359
was being budgeted out.

384
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,737
And hell, they didn't
give me nowhere else

385
00:24:48,738 --> 00:24:50,448
to paint, so I got to
make a place.

386
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,451
And I had to
dodge a lot of gangs.

387
00:24:54,118 --> 00:24:56,953
I decided like, "nah, I'm not
rolling with these cats.“

388
00:24:56,954 --> 00:24:59,706
so for me it was
more fun touring around

389
00:24:59,707 --> 00:25:01,458
with the rats
in the tunnels and...

390
00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:06,005
And... outdo each other
with colour and style.

391
00:25:10,092 --> 00:25:12,969
I started writing around '74,
'75, started tagging.

392
00:25:12,970 --> 00:25:14,764
I started when I was 15.

393
00:25:15,598 --> 00:25:17,182
And I say that because
there's people

394
00:25:17,183 --> 00:25:18,600
that was writing
when they was 12.

395
00:25:18,601 --> 00:25:19,644
I was ten years old.

396
00:25:21,354 --> 00:25:22,437
We had a subculture,

397
00:25:22,438 --> 00:25:26,150
we had a way of communicating
through these train lines.

398
00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:35,367
So, here we are. At esplanade.

399
00:25:35,368 --> 00:25:37,203
- Wow.
- Ok. Well, how do we get in?

400
00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:39,621
We're gonna have to,
I guess, pay our fare

401
00:25:39,622 --> 00:25:42,791
unless you want to jump the
turnstile for old time's sake.

402
00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:44,834
You know you could
have seen like a blade

403
00:25:44,835 --> 00:25:47,045
whole car there back in the day.

404
00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:49,173
So we just, jump down
and walk down?

405
00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:54,552
- Yeah, that's what we did.
- We could. Yeah. Ok. Let's see.

406
00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:56,721
I mean, I'm game for whatever.

407
00:25:56,722 --> 00:25:59,974
So if you film down there
and you see,

408
00:25:59,975 --> 00:26:05,439
like, in between the tracks,
these 'Bridges' as we call them.

409
00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:08,693
And you have like a much
higher vantage point

410
00:26:08,859 --> 00:26:11,486
to paint the train
on the top half.

411
00:26:11,487 --> 00:26:13,238
This was a beautiful spot,

412
00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:16,491
you could really wreck,
like, you know,

413
00:26:16,492 --> 00:26:18,201
with both sides, like,

414
00:26:18,202 --> 00:26:20,955
a couple of hundred train
sides in one night.

415
00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:27,919
Cool.

416
00:26:28,337 --> 00:26:31,840
We didn't know anyone outside
who was taking photographs

417
00:26:31,841 --> 00:26:34,677
until we met Henry and Marty.

418
00:26:35,469 --> 00:26:36,678
Henry chalfant's

419
00:26:36,679 --> 00:26:38,346
telephone answering
machine messages

420
00:26:38,347 --> 00:26:39,973
are far from the expected.

421
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:42,600
Yo, Henry, this is last,

422
00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:44,853
I busted out a rooftop
on the 6 line.

423
00:26:44,854 --> 00:26:47,523
I had heard about him
from other graffiti writers

424
00:26:48,232 --> 00:26:49,482
and I wanted to meet this person

425
00:26:49,483 --> 00:26:51,068
who was also
photographing trains.

426
00:26:51,235 --> 00:26:53,236
The graffiti writer
leaves Henry clues

427
00:26:53,237 --> 00:26:54,863
about a fresh masterpiece

428
00:26:54,864 --> 00:26:57,032
spray-painted
across a subway car.

429
00:26:57,324 --> 00:26:58,491
Henry goes after the shot.

430
00:26:58,492 --> 00:27:01,202
There was definitely
a competitive aspect to it,

431
00:27:01,203 --> 00:27:03,581
she was not calling me up
every day

432
00:27:03,748 --> 00:27:05,457
and saying "Henry there's
something

433
00:27:05,458 --> 00:27:06,708
I think you need to get,"

434
00:27:06,709 --> 00:27:10,629
because she was wanting it for
herself, and I was the same way.

435
00:27:12,715 --> 00:27:14,675
The way I did it was a series,

436
00:27:16,427 --> 00:27:19,471
turns out very good for
looking at the art.

437
00:27:19,472 --> 00:27:21,515
He was very interested
in the art,

438
00:27:22,558 --> 00:27:25,019
and I was more interested
in the culture.

439
00:27:27,104 --> 00:27:30,857
When Marty and Henry
started documenting us,

440
00:27:30,858 --> 00:27:32,651
we got to look at
ourselves very differently.

441
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,236
As subjects of interest.

442
00:27:35,237 --> 00:27:36,863
For us it was like,
"wow, we're surprised

443
00:27:36,864 --> 00:27:39,145
"that this white lady and this
white dude are interested."

444
00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:40,617
We kind of let them in because

445
00:27:40,618 --> 00:27:42,453
they were truly
interested in our lives.

446
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,706
We gotta be clear now,
people had cameras.

447
00:27:45,873 --> 00:27:49,168
My instamatic. Little 110.

448
00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:50,960
But when we found out

449
00:27:50,961 --> 00:27:52,712
that there were other people

450
00:27:52,713 --> 00:27:56,634
taking good, high-quality shots,
you know it was nice to know.

451
00:28:02,807 --> 00:28:04,349
Where you do write mostly?

452
00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:05,350
-Mostly?

453
00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:08,145
In the lay ups, where they keep
the trains on the weekend.

454
00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:11,899
And how do you get
in to, uh, do that?

455
00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:15,402
With a key. Sometimes
the doors are open.

456
00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:18,488
Just go inside a whole bunch
of us, all the writers,

457
00:28:18,489 --> 00:28:21,616
we just, you know,
start marking up all over,

458
00:28:21,617 --> 00:28:23,452
inside, outside, every place.

459
00:28:24,495 --> 00:28:26,914
They were there for some
serious moments, you know.

460
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:30,291
Like that one shot
with dondi, my god.

461
00:28:31,585 --> 00:28:33,336
I like still cry
when I think about that.

462
00:28:33,337 --> 00:28:34,838
That's the most beautiful shot

463
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,799
of a boy in his fuckin' yard,
you know?

464
00:28:49,603 --> 00:28:51,104
This was gonna be my ticket

465
00:28:51,105 --> 00:28:54,817
to good assignments
with magazines.

466
00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:58,946
"September 28th, 1980. Sunday.

467
00:28:59,113 --> 00:29:00,947
"Have just been
put through the ringer

468
00:29:00,948 --> 00:29:03,116
by the New York times magazine

469
00:29:03,117 --> 00:29:06,244
"in an on-again, off-again
series of promises

470
00:29:06,245 --> 00:29:08,080
to publish my graffiti photos.

471
00:29:08,372 --> 00:29:10,456
"This had me as high as a kite

472
00:29:10,457 --> 00:29:12,834
imagining my first
major colour spread,

473
00:29:12,835 --> 00:29:15,962
"something I desperately
need for a portfolio,

474
00:29:15,963 --> 00:29:18,798
"and then down in
the depths and in tears

475
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,553
"when I realised I couldn't let
them turn gorgeous colour,

476
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:24,596
“necessary to the story,

477
00:29:24,597 --> 00:29:27,057
into undistinguished
black and white."

478
00:29:29,476 --> 00:29:30,476
This is just ridiculous!

479
00:29:30,477 --> 00:29:33,688
Most people thought that
graffiti was pure vandalism

480
00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:35,857
and not worth my time.

481
00:29:35,858 --> 00:29:37,318
But I believed in it.

482
00:29:38,819 --> 00:29:41,988
Young people, that were
so into their art

483
00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:44,825
that they would risk
their lives to do it.

484
00:29:46,493 --> 00:29:48,119
I decided to leave the post

485
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,831
because I wanted
to pursue graffiti.

486
00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:53,918
She's like "I got to,
I gotta do that.

487
00:29:54,168 --> 00:29:56,170
“I don't care what you think!
I gotta do it!"

488
00:29:58,964 --> 00:30:02,301
There's the famous
dondi picture.

489
00:30:02,551 --> 00:30:04,719
Henry and I both wanted
to have a book published,

490
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,681
we decided to combine forces
and do it together.

491
00:30:08,974 --> 00:30:11,769
We worked all spring
and summer on that book.

492
00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,228
And, one after another

493
00:30:14,229 --> 00:30:17,191
we went to these publishers,
and... no, no, no, no, no.

494
00:30:17,358 --> 00:30:19,984
In New York?
Forget about it, we tried.

495
00:30:19,985 --> 00:30:22,696
"Don't even want to discuss."

496
00:30:26,617 --> 00:30:27,742
Get caught splashing your

497
00:30:27,743 --> 00:30:29,827
technicolour trash
in our subways

498
00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:31,454
and I'll send you
to rikers island

499
00:30:31,455 --> 00:30:33,082
until your spray cans dry up!

500
00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:35,708
"Total waste of time,
energy and money.

501
00:30:35,709 --> 00:30:38,045
"All you're doing
is encouraging this."

502
00:30:38,212 --> 00:30:40,213
Because the trains
are so visible,

503
00:30:40,214 --> 00:30:43,884
it was an easy-to-latch-onto
symbol of urban blight.

504
00:30:44,093 --> 00:30:46,594
The acid solution
is sprayed on subway cars

505
00:30:46,595 --> 00:30:48,930
in this exotic urban car wash.

506
00:30:48,931 --> 00:30:50,807
Razor-lined barricades of steel

507
00:30:50,808 --> 00:30:52,559
have sprung up
around the train yards.

508
00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:54,560
I hate graffiti.

509
00:30:54,561 --> 00:30:56,604
Newspapers and the mayor

510
00:30:56,605 --> 00:30:58,564
believed that
by crushing graffiti

511
00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:01,902
they were doing something
to lessen crime.

512
00:31:02,236 --> 00:31:04,988
Third time?
Couple of days in jail.

513
00:31:04,989 --> 00:31:07,198
There wasn't really a
ready audience for the book.

514
00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:09,492
At least not in the United States.

515
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,331
We took it to Germany,
to the Frankfurt book fair.

516
00:31:14,832 --> 00:31:18,293
In Europe, I guess people
weren't as tired of graffiti.

517
00:31:18,711 --> 00:31:20,294
The first booth we got to,

518
00:31:20,295 --> 00:31:23,048
they immediately said, yes,
they liked it.

519
00:31:23,966 --> 00:31:25,341
The rest is history.

520
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,682
3000 copies.

521
00:31:32,433 --> 00:31:34,100
I think we felt that was small

522
00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:37,562
but it was ok because
we had a book.

523
00:31:37,563 --> 00:31:40,690
It was a long, hard road
to get that book published,

524
00:31:40,691 --> 00:31:42,859
and I was very happy
to have something

525
00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:44,570
in my hands that
I could show people.

526
00:31:45,237 --> 00:31:47,864
Now we're gonna
have some major stories

527
00:31:47,865 --> 00:31:50,826
in magazines
with these pictures.

528
00:31:51,452 --> 00:31:53,494
I had gotten the museum shop

529
00:31:53,495 --> 00:31:56,165
interested
in doing Christmas cards.

530
00:31:57,583 --> 00:31:59,083
The chairman of
the board of directors

531
00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:03,255
said, "people like that need to
be lined up at dawn and shot."

532
00:32:05,674 --> 00:32:07,384
That was the end of that idea.

533
00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:11,596
Just they hated
graffiti so much,

534
00:32:11,597 --> 00:32:13,723
they couldn't see through

535
00:32:13,724 --> 00:32:17,101
to the fact that it might
be worthy of study.

536
00:32:17,102 --> 00:32:18,978
They spend the day
scrubbing a d-train...

537
00:32:18,979 --> 00:32:21,689
Kids stole it
and because of that,

538
00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:24,192
bookstores locked it up
or put it in a glass case

539
00:32:24,193 --> 00:32:25,234
or didn't want to carry it

540
00:32:25,235 --> 00:32:26,695
because it just
kept disappearing

541
00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:27,964
but people weren't buying it.

542
00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:30,865
Subway art tanked.
It did not do well at all.

543
00:32:34,328 --> 00:32:35,870
Then I'm like,
"I gotta move on."

544
00:32:35,871 --> 00:32:37,455
That was really responsible

545
00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:39,750
for my figuring
"I cannot do this anymore."

546
00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:41,958
You gonna think twice
before you do it again?

547
00:32:42,044 --> 00:32:44,671
Sure enough I'm-a think
twice before I do it again.

548
00:32:45,214 --> 00:32:46,214
That was it. "I'm out."

549
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:10,321
After 1989, the subway,
the mta made a policy

550
00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:12,824
that if a train gets hit,
they'll pull it out of service

551
00:33:12,825 --> 00:33:15,451
so that no writer will
ever have the motivation

552
00:33:15,452 --> 00:33:17,204
of seeing their name run.

553
00:33:23,335 --> 00:33:25,962
I would have never imagined that
I would have stopped writing,

554
00:33:25,963 --> 00:33:28,173
like, at the time I thought
I was gonna write forever,

555
00:33:28,465 --> 00:33:32,136
I thought the pieces was gonna
run forever, you know.

556
00:33:37,307 --> 00:33:38,559
Very clean.

557
00:33:39,935 --> 00:33:43,813
- Yep.
- See, not one little tag.

558
00:33:43,814 --> 00:33:46,107
You know, if you look
at this train now

559
00:33:46,108 --> 00:33:47,984
you would never suspect

560
00:33:47,985 --> 00:33:50,445
that a graffiti culture
had ever existed.

561
00:33:50,863 --> 00:33:54,408
No. Super clean.

562
00:33:56,493 --> 00:34:00,079
You have to realise when
something has run its course

563
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,792
and be satisfied with what
you did, and I'm there.

564
00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:07,670
So I'd just rather tell the
stories of when it was fun

565
00:34:07,671 --> 00:34:11,466
than try to recreate something
now that's gone forever.

566
00:34:25,022 --> 00:34:27,148
There, there,

567
00:34:27,149 --> 00:34:30,360
I mean every time I come
down there's less and less.

568
00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:35,240
But that you
can definitely line up, here.

569
00:34:35,532 --> 00:34:38,076
See this little squiggle right there?

570
00:34:49,630 --> 00:34:51,714
Wildstyle! Wildstyle!

571
00:34:51,715 --> 00:34:53,425
Right here.

572
00:34:54,635 --> 00:34:56,803
Who could possibly have imagined?

573
00:34:57,137 --> 00:34:59,348
I want them
to put a plaque here.

574
00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:02,475
This was the wildstyle wall.

575
00:35:06,855 --> 00:35:10,609
Years of effort, I quit
the job at the post,

576
00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:16,030
I had really gambled so
it was... yeah, it was stressful.

577
00:35:16,031 --> 00:35:21,203
Not having any pay-off
to speak of.

578
00:35:28,210 --> 00:35:30,127
There was, I think maybe a year

579
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:33,465
when I just moved
into my studio.

580
00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:36,593
I just put a mat on the floor.

581
00:35:39,263 --> 00:35:42,390
I definitely never wanted
to depend on my husband

582
00:35:42,391 --> 00:35:44,851
to support me, and I didn't.

583
00:35:46,228 --> 00:35:49,231
There was some extremely
strong women in my family,

584
00:35:49,523 --> 00:35:52,067
and I was raised to be...
Like them.

585
00:36:01,535 --> 00:36:02,744
You know I love New York.

586
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,663
But it's definitely not
a city for everybody,

587
00:36:05,664 --> 00:36:07,833
and it wasn't a city
for my ex-husband.

588
00:36:09,751 --> 00:36:11,002
You know, the path Coop followed

589
00:36:11,003 --> 00:36:12,421
was not an easy path.

590
00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:16,132
Marriage didn't work out,
she never wanted children.

591
00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:19,219
You know, this is against
most of society's rules.

592
00:36:19,386 --> 00:36:22,888
Woman, children, wife, mother,

593
00:36:22,889 --> 00:36:25,099
grandmother,
you know right down there.

594
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:26,852
And she was like
"none of that for me!"

595
00:36:28,145 --> 00:36:29,979
I don't really remember

596
00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:32,607
crying myself to sleep
at night or anything.

597
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,110
And in fact I like being alone.

598
00:36:36,862 --> 00:36:39,114
It's very comfortable
being alone.

599
00:36:42,034 --> 00:36:44,369
I'm not a depressed
kind of person.

600
00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:49,123
My friends sustain me.

601
00:36:49,124 --> 00:36:50,750
-Would you like
to see my pokédex?

602
00:36:50,751 --> 00:36:52,001
-Would I?

603
00:37:02,262 --> 00:37:04,848
We went into
the Paris catacombs,

604
00:37:05,766 --> 00:37:08,142
and we went down
around midnight,

605
00:37:08,143 --> 00:37:11,771
through a manhole,
went through a manhole.

606
00:37:11,772 --> 00:37:14,316
We didn't come out
until 5:00 in the morning!

607
00:37:14,775 --> 00:37:18,320
Here, we go rappelling
down this rock face.

608
00:37:18,612 --> 00:37:20,364
And here we are
enjoying ourselves

609
00:37:21,782 --> 00:37:23,992
and here we are also
enjoying ourselves.

610
00:37:26,536 --> 00:37:30,873
- Who was that guy?
- Um... Cesar.

611
00:37:30,874 --> 00:37:34,586
Cesar. Ok, so that was cozumel.

612
00:37:37,214 --> 00:37:40,007
You know you get old
but you can imagine

613
00:37:40,008 --> 00:37:42,469
yourself 50 years younger!

614
00:37:43,387 --> 00:37:49,434
You know, it doesn't hurt to...
Ok, it doesn't hurt to remember.

615
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:54,271
These filing cabinets contain
a lot of Marty's pictures.

616
00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:56,482
A folder on bocce.

617
00:37:56,483 --> 00:38:00,027
A folder on the guardian angels,
the hindu temple in queens.

618
00:38:00,028 --> 00:38:00,904
A Haitian dollmaker.

619
00:38:00,905 --> 00:38:02,613
Interiors of wasps -

620
00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:05,157
white anglo-Saxon
protestant living rooms.

621
00:38:05,158 --> 00:38:06,367
An erotic baker.

622
00:38:08,161 --> 00:38:10,497
Who made breads in
pornographic shapes.

623
00:38:11,248 --> 00:38:13,374
City lore has been
documenting the city

624
00:38:13,375 --> 00:38:17,045
with Marty since
we started in 1986.

625
00:38:17,504 --> 00:38:19,880
I really connected
with these people

626
00:38:19,881 --> 00:38:21,591
and they needed photographers.

627
00:38:22,134 --> 00:38:23,509
So it was perfect.

628
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:26,930
Here's the photograph of
the breakdancer on cardboard.

629
00:38:35,272 --> 00:38:38,358
And Marty just made
our work sing.

630
00:38:42,988 --> 00:38:45,156
She was very drawn
to folklorists

631
00:38:45,157 --> 00:38:46,490
because they were
trying to study

632
00:38:46,491 --> 00:38:48,617
these local traditions
and these artforms

633
00:38:48,618 --> 00:38:50,245
that nobody else
was interested in.

634
00:38:52,372 --> 00:38:54,207
We're doing a project
on casitas.

635
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:58,210
Little puerto rican-style houses
built on vacant lots

636
00:38:58,211 --> 00:38:59,963
and used as social clubs.

637
00:39:02,466 --> 00:39:04,008
Somebody writing a history
of New York

638
00:39:04,009 --> 00:39:05,343
is not going to cover those.

639
00:39:06,094 --> 00:39:08,387
But they're very much part of
the lived experience

640
00:39:08,388 --> 00:39:10,514
of being puerto rican
in the city

641
00:39:10,515 --> 00:39:11,933
or being latino in the city.

642
00:39:13,143 --> 00:39:15,227
From a lot of different
vantage points,

643
00:39:15,228 --> 00:39:16,353
she's capturing this

644
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:18,732
so you can see
this incredible landscape.

645
00:39:20,734 --> 00:39:23,820
And then you see this little
casita and garden patch.

646
00:39:26,156 --> 00:39:28,532
She's photographing
the corners of life,

647
00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:30,910
which are often forgotten about.

648
00:39:30,911 --> 00:39:34,956
Having that record of how
people lived is important.

649
00:39:35,749 --> 00:39:39,836
That's the only way we have
of transcending time.

650
00:39:42,964 --> 00:39:44,966
And the only thing
they will have to go back to

651
00:39:45,634 --> 00:39:47,719
is the record that Marty left.

652
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:52,223
Here back up, back up...
Back up...

653
00:39:52,224 --> 00:39:53,433
Oh it's says 'original'.

654
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,603
Interesting, I was looking
all over for that.

655
00:40:00,649 --> 00:40:02,650
Many of the things
that she's done,

656
00:40:02,651 --> 00:40:04,401
nobody paid her
to take photographs,

657
00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:06,237
she's just out there,
she's just doing it,

658
00:40:06,238 --> 00:40:07,738
she's doing it all the time.

659
00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,533
You know, I don't have a family.

660
00:40:10,534 --> 00:40:13,786
So I can do absolutely
everything I want, for me.

661
00:40:13,787 --> 00:40:17,623
I have all...
Every hour of every day,

662
00:40:17,624 --> 00:40:19,793
I can devote to my own work.

663
00:40:22,963 --> 00:40:24,214
Might be that one.

664
00:40:25,382 --> 00:40:27,467
Honestly, I can't remember.

665
00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:37,852
There's a big stack of contact
sheets in here. Look at this.

666
00:40:38,395 --> 00:40:42,857
Slides, graffiti.
Miscellaneous walls.

667
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:45,360
That would be graffiti.

668
00:40:45,527 --> 00:40:46,527
I mean when I look at them,

669
00:40:46,528 --> 00:40:48,238
it kind of makes me
a little depressed.

670
00:40:48,405 --> 00:40:50,030
What am I doing with them?
Nothing.

671
00:40:50,031 --> 00:40:53,368
You know, they're sitting
in my vast archives.

672
00:40:56,413 --> 00:40:58,248
But you know before
we put it in there,

673
00:40:58,540 --> 00:41:01,625
can we just have a peek inside
and see if there's something,

674
00:41:01,626 --> 00:41:02,876
because the reason
I started this...

675
00:41:02,877 --> 00:41:04,587
But to me,
organising the archive

676
00:41:04,588 --> 00:41:05,879
feels like going backwards.

677
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:06,965
I want to go forwards.

678
00:41:07,507 --> 00:41:09,341
It seems like
I have the skills necessary

679
00:41:09,342 --> 00:41:11,260
to do most assignment work,

680
00:41:11,261 --> 00:41:12,761
but not those necessary

681
00:41:12,762 --> 00:41:15,056
for convincing editors
to give me the job.

682
00:41:15,265 --> 00:41:16,515
There were times when,

683
00:41:16,516 --> 00:41:18,642
oh, I just wanted
assignments to go to her,

684
00:41:18,643 --> 00:41:21,228
but she's you know,
she's fit for a certain thing.

685
00:41:21,229 --> 00:41:22,147
Back in Washington

686
00:41:22,148 --> 00:41:23,982
at national geographic
headquarters,

687
00:41:24,357 --> 00:41:26,400
illustrations editor
Susan welchman

688
00:41:26,401 --> 00:41:29,028
is not thrilled with
the pictures she's getting.

689
00:41:29,029 --> 00:41:32,031
They hired me as photo editor.
I went to Washington.

690
00:41:32,032 --> 00:41:33,907
They offered me the job,
I took it.

691
00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:35,159
At any one time

692
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,037
they've got about
170 stories underway

693
00:41:38,038 --> 00:41:39,748
in various stages
of development.

694
00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:41,248
Then a story came up on,

695
00:41:41,249 --> 00:41:43,334
you know something that
was suited to her

696
00:41:43,335 --> 00:41:44,752
so she was assigned to that.

697
00:41:44,753 --> 00:41:47,547
Susan gave me a real assignment.

698
00:41:53,219 --> 00:41:56,973
The story was pollen.

699
00:42:01,269 --> 00:42:03,771
Something I wasn't
interested in then,

700
00:42:03,772 --> 00:42:06,316
and I'm not interested in now.

701
00:42:08,276 --> 00:42:10,653
I read that in Japan
there was a place

702
00:42:10,654 --> 00:42:12,780
where they had to hand-pollenate

703
00:42:12,781 --> 00:42:15,407
fruit trees because
the bees had died out.

704
00:42:15,408 --> 00:42:17,660
Geographic would send you
wherever

705
00:42:17,661 --> 00:42:19,495
it took to get that picture.

706
00:42:19,496 --> 00:42:21,372
There was no budget
on time or money,

707
00:42:21,373 --> 00:42:24,124
a lot of photographers
cannot handle that.

708
00:42:26,002 --> 00:42:27,586
Susan was trying to help me,

709
00:42:27,587 --> 00:42:28,962
you know we'd be
editing this thing

710
00:42:28,963 --> 00:42:30,631
and she's telling me

711
00:42:30,632 --> 00:42:32,758
to try this and try that
and try something else.

712
00:42:32,759 --> 00:42:36,846
I really couldn't come up
with those fabulous pictures.

713
00:42:39,641 --> 00:42:40,974
She thought she wanted it

714
00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:43,186
but it was because it was
unattainable, I'd say.

715
00:42:43,395 --> 00:42:45,020
They always said,

716
00:42:45,021 --> 00:42:47,398
“we make pictures
we don't take pictures, “

717
00:42:47,399 --> 00:42:49,234
and I like taking pictures.

718
00:42:49,776 --> 00:42:51,986
Wasn't a good fit for her.

719
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,617
I just like seeing something
and shooting it.

720
00:42:58,535 --> 00:43:01,161
And that is not how
geographic works.

721
00:43:01,162 --> 00:43:02,747
Ever at all.

722
00:43:06,501 --> 00:43:08,585
When people say,

723
00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:11,004
"which photographers
influence you?"

724
00:43:11,005 --> 00:43:13,091
I always say 'snapshots'.

725
00:43:13,633 --> 00:43:15,634
I like the naiveness,

726
00:43:15,635 --> 00:43:20,347
people are just trying
to capture the moment

727
00:43:20,348 --> 00:43:23,392
without thinking
about unusual angles

728
00:43:23,393 --> 00:43:26,478
or different lenses

729
00:43:26,479 --> 00:43:30,149
or, um, I would say the presence

730
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:33,652
of the photographer is minimal,

731
00:43:33,653 --> 00:43:35,196
it's all about subject matter.

732
00:43:36,406 --> 00:43:37,615
And that's what I like.

733
00:43:42,871 --> 00:43:45,164
When I looked at my
old street play pictures

734
00:43:45,165 --> 00:43:47,124
I felt that those were some
of the best pictures

735
00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:48,543
I had ever taken.

736
00:43:49,252 --> 00:43:51,588
I missed doing that kind
of photography

737
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:52,964
and I thought,

738
00:43:52,965 --> 00:43:55,341
"I just want to go
and take pictures

739
00:43:55,508 --> 00:43:56,968
and see what I can find."

740
00:44:04,017 --> 00:44:07,102
I used money that I inherited
from my parents

741
00:44:07,103 --> 00:44:11,441
to do a project that I wouldn't
otherwise be able to do.

742
00:44:12,025 --> 00:44:15,820
There are those smoke stacks.
I'm holding my little camera.

743
00:44:16,237 --> 00:44:17,363
My first camera.

744
00:44:23,912 --> 00:44:27,457
My father and my uncle had
a camera store in Baltimore.

745
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:30,210
My mother taught journalism.

746
00:44:31,336 --> 00:44:33,296
It was a tribute to them.

747
00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:37,382
I kinda wish they were alive,

748
00:44:37,383 --> 00:44:39,427
I think they would
have enjoyed seeing

749
00:44:40,136 --> 00:44:41,846
the neighbourhood
that I documented.

750
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:45,516
This was a dragon,

751
00:44:45,517 --> 00:44:47,768
and the idea was that
when the mailman came

752
00:44:47,769 --> 00:44:50,730
and put mail in the box
and raised the flag,

753
00:44:51,147 --> 00:44:52,857
the head of the dragon was here,

754
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:57,487
and it revealed
a little portrait of the house.

755
00:45:00,281 --> 00:45:03,367
Baltimore, my home town,
seemed like the perfect place

756
00:45:03,368 --> 00:45:05,370
to do a street
photography project.

757
00:45:07,539 --> 00:45:10,959
And Sally drove me around
looking for neighbourhoods.

758
00:45:13,378 --> 00:45:16,589
I wanted to be part
of the neighbourhood.

759
00:45:19,217 --> 00:45:21,970
So we found a house
that I could afford.

760
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:30,311
Why in the hell would
you live in this community?

761
00:45:32,397 --> 00:45:35,191
Most people would not move here,

762
00:45:35,525 --> 00:45:39,152
because of the violence,
because of the drugs.

763
00:45:39,153 --> 00:45:42,990
So look, this is fresh because
it says 'happy valentines day',

764
00:45:42,991 --> 00:45:44,576
it's not left over
from last year.

765
00:45:45,118 --> 00:45:48,036
And there's a
big rip taco up there

766
00:45:48,037 --> 00:45:50,206
which wasn't there before.

767
00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:55,252
Right behind the house over
here a few months ago,

768
00:45:55,253 --> 00:45:57,213
that was somebody's
heroin stash.

769
00:45:57,881 --> 00:45:59,882
These are from Baltimore,

770
00:45:59,883 --> 00:46:01,717
many of them
were in my backyard.

771
00:46:01,718 --> 00:46:06,847
This one still has some
interesting... something in it.

772
00:46:06,848 --> 00:46:09,266
There are these kids standing
on the street corner,

773
00:46:09,267 --> 00:46:13,270
and they're calling out
about the caps, the green caps

774
00:46:13,271 --> 00:46:14,771
or the blue caps or whatever,

775
00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:16,316
I actually don't know
the difference.

776
00:46:16,858 --> 00:46:20,069
Isn't that the cutest little jar
you've ever seen?

777
00:46:23,907 --> 00:46:25,991
I had a feeling
this neighbourhood

778
00:46:25,992 --> 00:46:28,578
was going to gentrify,

779
00:46:29,037 --> 00:46:30,537
and I thought I would
like to see

780
00:46:30,538 --> 00:46:32,956
if I can document that process.

781
00:46:32,957 --> 00:46:34,249
I wanted to see
whether there was

782
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:36,001
some way I could see a change

783
00:46:36,002 --> 00:46:37,002
in the neighbourhood.

784
00:46:37,629 --> 00:46:39,463
Are people going to
be forced to move?

785
00:46:39,464 --> 00:46:41,215
And if so, what happens?

786
00:46:41,966 --> 00:46:43,759
You know, I had no idea exactly

787
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,510
how I was going
to document that,

788
00:46:45,511 --> 00:46:47,847
but that was part of the idea.

789
00:46:51,267 --> 00:46:52,768
I mean, there's stuff
bad around here

790
00:46:52,769 --> 00:46:53,603
going on right now,

791
00:46:53,604 --> 00:46:55,354
but it's not as bad as it was.

792
00:47:00,026 --> 00:47:01,526
How fast it went down,

793
00:47:01,527 --> 00:47:04,029
versus how fast it's going
back up, it's like...

794
00:47:07,408 --> 00:47:08,867
This is a neighbourhood
where you have

795
00:47:08,868 --> 00:47:10,869
a lot of disenfranchised people.

796
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:12,537
Even to take
somebody's photograph,

797
00:47:12,538 --> 00:47:15,583
and them to be ok
with it is a big step.

798
00:47:18,628 --> 00:47:20,754
Honestly, please don't film now,

799
00:47:20,755 --> 00:47:23,591
put it down,
until we talk to somebody.

800
00:47:24,467 --> 00:47:26,844
Hi! How you doing?

801
00:47:27,762 --> 00:47:30,306
We're just taking
some pictures...

802
00:47:30,765 --> 00:47:33,517
Remember when I used
to take a lot of pictures?

803
00:47:33,518 --> 00:47:38,356
Yeah, so is it ok for him
to take some? No problem? Ok.

804
00:47:39,899 --> 00:47:44,112
That's cocky!
She still lives there.

805
00:47:45,613 --> 00:47:46,990
Is she still in the house now?

806
00:47:47,532 --> 00:47:48,992
Hi! Remember me?

807
00:47:50,034 --> 00:47:52,619
- Been a long time!
- A long time, I know.

808
00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:55,956
What she did was
to make small copies,

809
00:47:55,957 --> 00:47:57,667
you know, 4x6 prints...

810
00:47:58,001 --> 00:48:00,127
- I took some of them.
- That one!

811
00:48:00,128 --> 00:48:01,378
Yeah, this one!

812
00:48:01,379 --> 00:48:02,338
-This one.

813
00:48:02,339 --> 00:48:03,755
And she would have
a little notebook

814
00:48:03,756 --> 00:48:06,092
and she'd write down
their address...

815
00:48:06,509 --> 00:48:07,844
You've got a lot!

816
00:48:08,011 --> 00:48:09,011
And bring them back.

817
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:10,220
Like a photo gallery!

818
00:48:10,221 --> 00:48:11,638
If she came back two weeks later

819
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:13,515
or a month later,
either knock on the door

820
00:48:13,516 --> 00:48:15,726
or stick them
in the little mailbox

821
00:48:15,727 --> 00:48:17,227
or slide them under the door.

822
00:48:17,228 --> 00:48:19,480
- What's her name?
- Giniya.

823
00:48:20,023 --> 00:48:21,523
- Didn't we call her something?
- Lady.

824
00:48:21,524 --> 00:48:23,609
- Lady!
- Lady. Yeah, lady.

825
00:48:24,027 --> 00:48:25,777
I think it's kind
of a cheap shot

826
00:48:25,778 --> 00:48:28,655
to go around taking pictures
of the boarded-up buildings

827
00:48:28,656 --> 00:48:32,368
and the trash on the street,
and I never focused on that.

828
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,497
- Great, perfect.
- That's awesome.

829
00:48:36,664 --> 00:48:42,002
Excuse me, when it gets, like,
dark-dark, for night-time,

830
00:48:42,003 --> 00:48:45,088
we are going to
set off big fireworks.

831
00:48:45,089 --> 00:48:47,467
- Right here?
- Up there!

832
00:48:47,633 --> 00:48:49,843
Up there? There's going to
be some big fireworks?

833
00:48:49,844 --> 00:48:51,845
Yeah, that shoots up in the sky!

834
00:48:51,846 --> 00:48:53,221
We'll come back!
We'll come back.

835
00:48:53,222 --> 00:48:55,849
- Yay! Thank you!
- Thank you!

836
00:48:55,850 --> 00:48:58,602
I'm not looking for things
that are... beautiful

837
00:48:58,603 --> 00:49:00,395
but I'm just looking
for people that

838
00:49:00,396 --> 00:49:02,522
are making the best
of what they have.

839
00:49:02,523 --> 00:49:04,942
- I like your chairs here.
- Thank you

840
00:49:05,777 --> 00:49:06,986
one for each of you.

841
00:49:07,904 --> 00:49:10,530
- I'm doing the splits!
- Ok! You ready!

842
00:49:10,531 --> 00:49:12,742
One two three, yes and...!

843
00:49:13,659 --> 00:49:15,786
People would start
to recognise her

844
00:49:15,787 --> 00:49:17,245
and call her the camera lady.

845
00:49:17,246 --> 00:49:18,622
- The camera lady!
- Yeah.

846
00:49:18,623 --> 00:49:19,831
-The camera lady's here!

847
00:49:19,832 --> 00:49:21,583
-You're here every year
taking pictures!

848
00:49:21,584 --> 00:49:24,961
Yeah, yeah. I've been here
a lot taking pictures.

849
00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:26,588
- I remember you.
- Yep.

850
00:49:26,589 --> 00:49:28,216
And they accepted her.

851
00:49:28,591 --> 00:49:29,592
I've been good!

852
00:49:29,842 --> 00:49:33,512
Look at this! Who's in there?
Who's in that picture?

853
00:49:33,513 --> 00:49:36,223
- Tata!
- Tata? Ok!

854
00:49:42,897 --> 00:49:44,982
Did the horses come back?

855
00:49:45,149 --> 00:49:47,150
Did the horses come back
to the stable?

856
00:49:47,151 --> 00:49:49,778
- Yeah.
- Yeah? Can we go in?

857
00:49:49,779 --> 00:49:51,072
Go in there if you want.

858
00:49:52,031 --> 00:49:55,117
To be able to see something that

859
00:49:55,118 --> 00:49:58,662
is beautiful amongst brokenness

860
00:49:58,663 --> 00:50:01,082
I think takes a very keen eye.

861
00:50:27,358 --> 00:50:31,612
Always my pictures are people
rising above their environment.

862
00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:34,865
In one way or another.

863
00:50:34,866 --> 00:50:36,032
I hope you had a good time,

864
00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:37,284
I hope we showed you
a good time!

865
00:50:37,285 --> 00:50:39,245
- Yeah, we're having a good time.
- That's great.

866
00:50:40,663 --> 00:50:42,330
The Baltimore
neighbourhood sowebo -

867
00:50:42,331 --> 00:50:44,124
south west Baltimore -

868
00:50:44,125 --> 00:50:45,918
was named after soweto.

869
00:50:47,712 --> 00:50:51,214
It's no use to take a lot of
pictures about something

870
00:50:51,215 --> 00:50:54,509
if you aren't going to put them
somewhere where other people

871
00:50:54,510 --> 00:50:56,179
are going to be able
to see them.

872
00:50:57,847 --> 00:50:59,514
-The strongest would
be this one.

873
00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:00,725
-Well, what about that one?

874
00:51:01,267 --> 00:51:03,768
That one's just not
a great picture.

875
00:51:03,769 --> 00:51:05,605
- Well, ok.
- It's just not.

876
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:11,026
You know what? There's
part of me that still feels like

877
00:51:11,027 --> 00:51:12,861
I have not been accepted

878
00:51:12,862 --> 00:51:15,865
into the photographic
community in New York.

879
00:51:16,908 --> 00:51:20,285
In a way she's undiscovered
in our world,

880
00:51:20,286 --> 00:51:22,913
you know in our world
of the photo art gallery.

881
00:51:22,914 --> 00:51:24,247
So, I gotta tell you,

882
00:51:24,248 --> 00:51:27,876
we are gonna be avoiding
cute children, to some extent.

883
00:51:28,462 --> 00:51:29,711
-I mean, there will be
a few of them.

884
00:51:29,712 --> 00:51:30,129
Alright.

885
00:51:30,130 --> 00:51:31,880
We're also going to be avoiding,

886
00:51:31,881 --> 00:51:34,007
believe it or not,
smiling people.

887
00:51:34,718 --> 00:51:36,134
-Although there will
be exceptions.

888
00:51:36,135 --> 00:51:37,845
This probably would be
one of them.

889
00:51:38,137 --> 00:51:40,097
- And why?
- Yeah, why?

890
00:51:40,264 --> 00:51:41,349
Because...

891
00:51:41,515 --> 00:51:44,352
Somebody else did
a piece on smiling people?

892
00:51:44,727 --> 00:51:48,897
People don't take
those pictures as seriously,

893
00:51:48,898 --> 00:51:51,775
and they don't react
to them the same way.

894
00:51:51,776 --> 00:51:52,860
They just...

895
00:51:58,157 --> 00:51:59,157
It's that simple.

896
00:51:59,283 --> 00:52:01,118
I mean, when you see
a smiling face

897
00:52:01,661 --> 00:52:04,580
you're in a different realm,
you're not in the art realm.

898
00:52:05,623 --> 00:52:07,999
If you look across
the history of art you are not

899
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,501
going to see that many smiles

900
00:52:09,502 --> 00:52:11,587
compared to much
more serious faces.

901
00:52:12,088 --> 00:52:13,464
- It's true.
- You're just not.

902
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,258
If I have a picture
with a smiling child

903
00:52:16,259 --> 00:52:18,969
I really want in,

904
00:52:18,970 --> 00:52:20,762
I will make a case for it.

905
00:52:20,763 --> 00:52:23,139
You should make a case
for it, absolutely.

906
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:27,687
So you know, you can see the
theme evolving or starting.

907
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:31,356
People taking over a ruin
and making it into...

908
00:52:31,357 --> 00:52:33,733
- An appropriation of space...
- An appropriation of space.

909
00:52:33,734 --> 00:52:35,986
Is exactly what
graffiti is, so...

910
00:52:35,987 --> 00:52:36,988
Exactly, so...

911
00:52:37,488 --> 00:52:38,905
It's really about how people

912
00:52:38,906 --> 00:52:40,907
are making New York City
their own.

913
00:52:40,908 --> 00:52:41,951
Right, right.

914
00:52:42,618 --> 00:52:43,411
It's New York,

915
00:52:43,412 --> 00:52:46,413
people are more interested
in it than other places,

916
00:52:46,414 --> 00:52:48,708
because New York is sort
of the capital of the world.

917
00:52:50,876 --> 00:52:52,502
At least that's what
new yorkers think.

918
00:52:54,005 --> 00:52:55,005
A lot of people do!

919
00:53:03,973 --> 00:53:06,975
Marty has her own unique
perspective on things,

920
00:53:06,976 --> 00:53:08,977
and it wasn't always
easy for her

921
00:53:08,978 --> 00:53:10,855
to get the attention
she deserved.

922
00:53:15,776 --> 00:53:18,446
Her acclaim was slow in coming.

923
00:53:31,876 --> 00:53:34,961
Akim walta from Germany

924
00:53:34,962 --> 00:53:38,256
contacted me and he wanted
to look at my hip hop pictures.

925
00:53:38,257 --> 00:53:40,092
There was no clear book idea,

926
00:53:40,259 --> 00:53:43,636
I just wanted to present
the New York hip hop culture.

927
00:53:43,637 --> 00:53:46,639
She said "ok, here's my archive.
Have a look."

928
00:53:50,102 --> 00:53:54,440
Wow. The volume of material.
You could not imagine.

929
00:53:55,107 --> 00:53:56,775
Maybe a little bit too much.

930
00:53:58,152 --> 00:54:00,988
I wouldn't have been there
if it hadn't been for the post.

931
00:54:02,782 --> 00:54:04,783
They sent me to upper Manhattan

932
00:54:04,784 --> 00:54:07,078
to shoot what was
supposed to be riot.

933
00:54:07,661 --> 00:54:09,913
They confiscated
spray cans and markers,

934
00:54:09,914 --> 00:54:11,540
and a knife and a gun

935
00:54:11,874 --> 00:54:14,125
and when I asked the cops
what they had been doing,

936
00:54:14,126 --> 00:54:15,366
they said well they had been...

937
00:54:19,507 --> 00:54:21,257
I called into the post
and I said,

938
00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:23,134
"send a reporter!
This is amazing!

939
00:54:23,135 --> 00:54:25,295
"They were dancing! They
were spinning on their heads!"

940
00:54:25,971 --> 00:54:29,225
There was no riot, so no
article. They didn't like it.

941
00:54:30,267 --> 00:54:33,479
I was fascinated by the idea
that boys were dancing.

942
00:54:34,772 --> 00:54:38,859
She was there. Like a
normal fixture to our lives.

943
00:54:39,610 --> 00:54:41,653
A lot of people would come in,
and, you know,

944
00:54:41,654 --> 00:54:43,279
like, "let me take some pictures

945
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,365
of the kids dancing,"
and they're out

946
00:54:45,366 --> 00:54:46,367
but she was there.

947
00:55:02,133 --> 00:55:04,677
It was not breaking,
it was called 'rocking'.

948
00:55:04,969 --> 00:55:07,595
It became incorporated
into this bundle

949
00:55:07,596 --> 00:55:10,014
of activities that became
known as hip hop.

950
00:55:10,015 --> 00:55:12,184
Music, dance and art.

951
00:55:23,737 --> 00:55:26,906
Sao bento was a subway station,

952
00:55:26,907 --> 00:55:30,285
that all the b-boys
and graffiti writers,

953
00:55:30,286 --> 00:55:32,912
rappers, DJs,
hang out at that time.

954
00:55:32,913 --> 00:55:34,331
I remember a guy come there says

955
00:55:34,874 --> 00:55:36,708
"you guys still do these things?

956
00:55:36,709 --> 00:55:39,377
"Because in us,
this stop, it's finished,

957
00:55:39,378 --> 00:55:40,963
there are no b-boys anymore."

958
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:45,468
The '805 in Germany were
like break-dancers everywhere.

959
00:55:45,885 --> 00:55:49,262
The b-boy scene and graffiti
scene was still growing.

960
00:55:49,263 --> 00:55:51,724
The culture was kept
and developed.

961
00:55:53,517 --> 00:55:58,855
Same situation in France, Tokyo,
in other parts of the world.

962
00:56:05,779 --> 00:56:08,490
It gave young people a voice

963
00:56:08,491 --> 00:56:10,993
and a method to evolve
their skills.

964
00:56:12,536 --> 00:56:15,623
To put up your tag,
even if it's ugly,

965
00:56:15,998 --> 00:56:19,960
with effort or braveness,
you can become a hero.

966
00:56:21,128 --> 00:56:23,254
That book turned
into the hip hop files.

967
00:56:24,465 --> 00:56:27,218
That came out in 2004,
it was published in Germany.

968
00:56:27,384 --> 00:56:31,972
He took me on a book tour.
Crazy, crazy book tour.

969
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,975
These pictures sat in
my files for 20 years

970
00:56:35,476 --> 00:56:38,520
so to find out they are not
only interesting to me

971
00:56:38,521 --> 00:56:40,772
but interesting to
people in Germany

972
00:56:40,773 --> 00:56:43,067
and elsewhere
is thrilling actually.

973
00:56:43,275 --> 00:56:45,652
I knew it because
I travelled the world

974
00:56:45,653 --> 00:56:47,278
and I knew
all the graffiti writers

975
00:56:47,279 --> 00:56:48,780
were influenced by subway art.

976
00:56:54,245 --> 00:56:56,120
Everybody seemed to know
who I was.

977
00:56:56,121 --> 00:56:59,249
This is Martha Cooper!

978
00:57:00,376 --> 00:57:04,254
Everybody, come on! Martha! Cooper!

979
00:57:25,776 --> 00:57:27,527
I think that might
have been the first time

980
00:57:27,528 --> 00:57:31,364
I heard that people referred
to subway art as their Bible.

981
00:57:31,365 --> 00:57:33,741
Well, I'll tell you an incident
that blew my mind,

982
00:57:33,742 --> 00:57:36,160
I am so sorry
I didn't take a picture.

983
00:57:36,161 --> 00:57:39,831
We went to Brazil,
and we were going to a show

984
00:57:39,832 --> 00:57:42,834
that the osgemeos twins had done

985
00:57:42,835 --> 00:57:44,877
where they had done
the whole floor,

986
00:57:44,878 --> 00:57:47,630
they had done the walls,
the ceilings,

987
00:57:47,631 --> 00:57:50,551
and there was some band
that was gonna play.

988
00:57:50,884 --> 00:57:52,553
And we were standing in line,

989
00:57:52,761 --> 00:57:55,513
and these young people

990
00:57:55,514 --> 00:57:58,891
that were interested
in graffiti came along

991
00:57:58,892 --> 00:58:00,728
and somebody said,
"this is Martha Cooper."

992
00:58:02,021 --> 00:58:07,610
And the kid got down
flat on the ground

993
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,777
and bowed before her,

994
00:58:09,778 --> 00:58:13,406
totally prostrate, to his idol!

995
00:58:13,407 --> 00:58:16,784
To his idol.
Martha was his idol.

996
00:58:16,785 --> 00:58:19,371
They were, "thank you so much,
you changed my life,"

997
00:58:20,289 --> 00:58:23,208
that was the first time I really
understood the effect.

998
00:58:24,585 --> 00:58:25,585
Uh-huh!

999
00:58:26,128 --> 00:58:28,254
All our friends from Europe,

1000
00:58:28,255 --> 00:58:30,841
they say "yeah, ok, yeah,
of course, subway art."

1001
00:58:31,091 --> 00:58:33,677
They influence with this book,
the whole world.

1002
00:58:34,261 --> 00:58:37,639
For her it's like,
already, like far away.

1003
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,850
Graffiti unsorted,
more graffiti unsorted.

1004
00:58:41,143 --> 00:58:44,563
I don't think we would be
here doing this even now

1005
00:58:44,980 --> 00:58:47,273
if it wasn't for some
of the publications

1006
00:58:47,274 --> 00:58:49,109
that came out of
the photos they took.

1007
00:58:49,902 --> 00:58:52,654
It took it from a national
to a global phenomena.

1008
00:58:52,655 --> 00:58:54,781
When you talk to people about

1009
00:58:54,782 --> 00:58:57,368
how they got into graffiti
before the Internet,

1010
00:58:58,118 --> 00:59:00,495
they all say,
"through subway art."

1011
00:59:00,496 --> 00:59:01,955
-Everybody has a copy
of subway art!

1012
00:59:02,206 --> 00:59:03,623
-It's the Bible, no?

1013
00:59:03,624 --> 00:59:04,874
This is the Bible,
this one here.

1014
00:59:04,875 --> 00:59:07,251
Subway art ruined my life.

1015
00:59:07,252 --> 00:59:10,714
Subway art just spread
across the world,

1016
00:59:10,881 --> 00:59:13,383
and so you know,
so she's an icon!

1017
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,722
I was amazed at...

1018
00:59:18,889 --> 00:59:21,724
I didn't realise the impact
that the book had had.

1019
00:59:21,725 --> 00:59:23,643
Long before the Internet.

1020
00:59:23,644 --> 00:59:27,480
Because the sales were
really very modest at first.

1021
00:59:27,481 --> 00:59:29,148
They didn't have the actual book.

1022
00:59:29,149 --> 00:59:32,276
It was really hard to get it
at that time, really difficult.

1023
00:59:32,277 --> 00:59:34,404
Very difficult
to get the real book.

1024
00:59:34,405 --> 00:59:36,531
You have this, you never leave
this with anybody.

1025
00:59:36,532 --> 00:59:38,991
This book had to be
passed around by hand,

1026
00:59:38,992 --> 00:59:41,119
through a photocopy version.

1027
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,496
A photocopy. Black and white.

1028
00:59:42,663 --> 00:59:45,748
And they made photocopies
of those and gave those copies...

1029
00:59:45,749 --> 00:59:50,087
Get a pen, and we write down all
the colours in the book.

1030
00:59:52,715 --> 00:59:54,632
What they liked about subway art

1031
00:59:54,633 --> 00:59:58,386
was that it captured these
trains that before that,

1032
00:59:58,387 --> 01:00:02,640
maybe they got a glimpse of one
on some television show.

1033
01:00:02,641 --> 01:00:05,393
Subway art provided the template

1034
01:00:05,394 --> 01:00:08,689
for them to carefully
study the styles.

1035
01:00:16,155 --> 01:00:19,157
Really, like...
With them linked,

1036
01:00:19,158 --> 01:00:21,618
like two crazy guys like this.

1037
01:00:23,662 --> 01:00:25,496
-The whole day, to learn it.

1038
01:00:25,497 --> 01:00:28,374
-Spending like, days
and days like this.

1039
01:00:28,375 --> 01:00:32,463
Imagine how many influence,
how many life they change.

1040
01:00:32,629 --> 01:00:36,175
This is crazy. How many
kids all over the world?

1041
01:01:29,478 --> 01:01:31,939
It's just something that
you couldn't have predicted.

1042
01:01:32,606 --> 01:01:35,775
And, in a way, that makes
it even better.

1043
01:01:35,776 --> 01:01:38,402
People have come up to me
during this trip and said

1044
01:01:38,403 --> 01:01:39,487
"you've changed my life,"

1045
01:01:39,488 --> 01:01:42,324
and all I can say to them is,
"well, you've changed my life."

1046
01:01:42,991 --> 01:01:43,867
And it's true.

1047
01:01:43,868 --> 01:01:47,036
Basically, all of this has
given my life meaning.

1048
01:01:49,998 --> 01:01:52,375
This is a Shepard fairey piece

1049
01:01:52,376 --> 01:01:54,962
that he made from one
of my street play photos.

1050
01:01:55,629 --> 01:01:56,754
He Shepard-ised it.

1051
01:01:56,755 --> 01:01:58,381
I would say that
there was always

1052
01:01:58,382 --> 01:01:59,842
something going on
with street art

1053
01:02:00,008 --> 01:02:01,884
but I was completely out of it.

1054
01:02:01,885 --> 01:02:03,344
This is another nazza

1055
01:02:03,345 --> 01:02:06,764
from the photo of a
little boy with a hydrant.

1056
01:02:06,765 --> 01:02:08,225
It's a huge art movement.

1057
01:02:10,394 --> 01:02:12,520
Some people say it's
the biggest art movement

1058
01:02:12,521 --> 01:02:13,729
in the history of the world.

1059
01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:17,024
It's definitely connected
to the graffiti scene.

1060
01:02:17,025 --> 01:02:21,321
A little photograph of me
with that first camera.

1061
01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:23,114
I'm like, "you know what?

1062
01:02:23,115 --> 01:02:25,242
If this is happening
I'm gonna be part of it."

1063
01:02:26,660 --> 01:02:29,997
I made a decision
to jump back in.

1064
01:02:37,129 --> 01:02:38,338
I tick, boom I

1065
01:02:38,505 --> 01:02:40,465
I mi nah really care
weh mi bump into I

1066
01:02:40,632 --> 01:02:42,633
I bulldozer make room I

1067
01:02:42,634 --> 01:02:44,510
I write that pon fi mi tomb I

1068
01:02:44,511 --> 01:02:45,845
I don't care if they assume I

1069
01:02:45,846 --> 01:02:48,014
I only stop to collect,
then I resume I

1070
01:02:48,015 --> 01:02:49,724
I you sleep, I goon I

1071
01:02:49,725 --> 01:02:51,727
I yuh nah waan test
who's badder than who I

1072
01:03:13,999 --> 01:03:15,374
I tick, boom. I

1073
01:03:19,338 --> 01:03:21,839
I think I probably thought,
"if it doesn't work out,

1074
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,341
I'll jump out again."

1075
01:03:23,342 --> 01:03:25,594
My first thought was
"where is that drawing?"

1076
01:03:26,386 --> 01:03:27,762
And then my second thought was,

1077
01:03:27,763 --> 01:03:31,308
"I think I better put in
a protective plastic sleeve!“

1078
01:03:31,892 --> 01:03:33,643
dondi gave me this drawing

1079
01:03:33,644 --> 01:03:37,980
because I gave him
a picture of the train.

1080
01:03:37,981 --> 01:03:39,899
It says,
"I just wanted to touch base

1081
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:43,111
and increase my offer
on the dondi drawing

1082
01:03:43,737 --> 01:03:49,659
"to... based on 2018 market value

1083
01:03:49,660 --> 01:03:51,285
growth for his work."

1084
01:03:51,286 --> 01:03:53,914
If dondi's work is now
really valuable

1085
01:03:54,247 --> 01:03:56,499
and I knew that
one of his paintings

1086
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:58,626
has sold for $240,000,

1087
01:03:58,627 --> 01:04:00,212
which is an incredible amount,

1088
01:04:01,254 --> 01:04:04,840
then I felt that this drawing
should be in a museum.

1089
01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:08,636
I just decided I'd rather
hold onto the drawing,

1090
01:04:08,637 --> 01:04:12,099
I like that... and I just...
And dondi gave this to me!

1091
01:04:12,265 --> 01:04:15,893
This was a present, so...
That was my decision.

1092
01:04:15,894 --> 01:04:19,064
Internet, Instagram,
social media

1093
01:04:19,398 --> 01:04:22,609
have completely changed
the street art situation.

1094
01:04:26,655 --> 01:04:27,738
What is up?

1095
01:04:27,739 --> 01:04:30,032
Right now we are
in wynwood art district,

1096
01:04:30,033 --> 01:04:31,659
in Miami beach, Florida.

1097
01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:34,161
It's art Basel
the big international art fair

1098
01:04:34,162 --> 01:04:36,205
so of course
the art district is popping.

1099
01:04:42,337 --> 01:04:46,590
In 2005-2006,
we came to wynwood,

1100
01:04:46,591 --> 01:04:48,719
an industrial neighbourhood.

1101
01:04:48,885 --> 01:04:51,637
Crime-ridden, and dilapidated.

1102
01:04:51,638 --> 01:04:55,934
But there was this undercurrent
of a lot of graffiti.

1103
01:04:57,269 --> 01:05:00,521
What we chose to do is just take
it to a whole 'nother level

1104
01:05:00,522 --> 01:05:02,858
and create the wynwood walls.

1105
01:05:09,406 --> 01:05:13,076
I came out to show my art
from new Mexico, I love wynwood.

1106
01:05:13,493 --> 01:05:15,120
It's also confusing

1107
01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:18,831
because I'd like to see
more artists everywhere

1108
01:05:18,832 --> 01:05:21,125
and less $500 sunglasses.

1109
01:05:21,126 --> 01:05:23,252
19705, 19805,

1110
01:05:23,253 --> 01:05:25,589
this one of the first
street artists to come about.

1111
01:05:26,006 --> 01:05:28,341
It would take 30 minutes,
just...

1112
01:05:28,717 --> 01:05:30,718
Because it was illegal
so they had to hurry.

1113
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:33,847
- What's his name?
- Crash, he's from New York City

1114
01:05:34,014 --> 01:05:38,852
we call it gentle-fication,
as opposed to gentrification

1115
01:05:39,144 --> 01:05:40,728
but things will change,

1116
01:05:40,729 --> 01:05:43,690
that's the natural evolution
of things.

1117
01:05:45,525 --> 01:05:47,485
Martha has been
involved with all this

1118
01:05:47,486 --> 01:05:49,946
for 40 years or more.

1119
01:05:51,031 --> 01:05:53,617
She used to be just
about the only one.

1120
01:05:55,035 --> 01:05:56,911
It's really
a different world now.

1121
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,337
There's Martha with all
her experience and skill.

1122
01:06:05,504 --> 01:06:08,380
Julia! This camera is frickin
awesome!

1123
01:06:08,381 --> 01:06:12,259
Now there's often
a crowd of 100-200 people,

1124
01:06:12,260 --> 01:06:13,970
all with their camera phones.

1125
01:06:14,638 --> 01:06:17,098
Hi. Could I get you
to take a photo?

1126
01:06:17,099 --> 01:06:18,974
Who wants to be in the photo?

1127
01:06:22,270 --> 01:06:25,606
What is remarkable about
Martha is she keeps going.

1128
01:06:25,607 --> 01:06:27,818
Ok. Are we missing anyone?

1129
01:06:28,610 --> 01:06:32,029
I'm just interested
in seeing what happens.

1130
01:06:32,030 --> 01:06:33,615
Good, bad or indifferent.

1131
01:06:34,407 --> 01:06:36,909
I'm going to try
to somehow capture

1132
01:06:36,910 --> 01:06:38,370
what's happening with it.

1133
01:06:39,121 --> 01:06:40,330
Who made that t-shirt?

1134
01:06:41,957 --> 01:06:45,085
So, not only is this...

1135
01:06:45,252 --> 01:06:49,880
I guess I kind of stick out
because I have white hair

1136
01:06:49,881 --> 01:06:52,758
but still, if I'm in
any kind of a situation

1137
01:06:52,759 --> 01:06:54,218
with a bunch of photographers,

1138
01:06:54,219 --> 01:06:57,597
they don't take me seriously,
and that really hurts.

1139
01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:59,933
I'll fight for my position.

1140
01:07:00,350 --> 01:07:01,268
Ok, that looks good!

1141
01:07:01,269 --> 01:07:04,645
I'm standing like this, and
some guy will just come,

1142
01:07:04,646 --> 01:07:07,022
and he'll just stand
right in front of me.

1143
01:07:07,023 --> 01:07:07,899
One more everybody.

1144
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:09,484
You don't have to
do anything crazy.

1145
01:07:09,734 --> 01:07:10,860
As if I didn't exist.

1146
01:07:10,861 --> 01:07:12,528
They couldn't believe
that I could

1147
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:14,739
possibly be
a serious photographer.

1148
01:07:26,251 --> 01:07:28,420
I think this is gonna block it!

1149
01:07:30,881 --> 01:07:33,341
Ha! Fuck!

1150
01:07:34,759 --> 01:07:37,261
You see him slow down for me?
He slowed down for me.

1151
01:07:37,262 --> 01:07:38,345
- Did he? Really?
- Yeah, yeah.

1152
01:07:38,346 --> 01:07:40,056
I had the camera,
"I'm sorry!" He said!

1153
01:07:40,765 --> 01:07:42,266
It's tricky with the light.

1154
01:07:42,267 --> 01:07:44,977
It changes each time
you move too,

1155
01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:47,897
because of the... whether
there's a tree behind.

1156
01:07:47,898 --> 01:07:49,065
Oh, he's gonna...

1157
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:52,861
There's a fucking train coming!

1158
01:07:55,780 --> 01:07:59,283
So I'm running, running, and
then he comes just with me see?

1159
01:07:59,284 --> 01:08:03,120
Oh, that's so cool.
He got great shots.

1160
01:08:03,121 --> 01:08:05,081
Yeah,
but I still didn't get the...

1161
01:08:05,624 --> 01:08:07,209
No but you got the train!

1162
01:08:08,752 --> 01:08:09,960
Wide angle.

1163
01:08:09,961 --> 01:08:11,587
Yeah you don't need me anymore.

1164
01:08:11,588 --> 01:08:13,756
- Huh?
- Nobody needs me anymore.

1165
01:08:13,757 --> 01:08:14,966
Oh, yes, of course!

1166
01:08:15,133 --> 01:08:17,552
Only for Martha we pose.

1167
01:08:18,220 --> 01:08:20,305
She knows we hate that shit.

1168
01:08:29,856 --> 01:08:33,193
Oh, I just missed it! Fuck!

1169
01:08:36,988 --> 01:08:38,782
I'm gonna go down there.

1170
01:08:39,241 --> 01:08:41,242
Who's got the camera?

1171
01:08:41,243 --> 01:08:42,327
Well, take it!

1172
01:08:43,703 --> 01:08:48,457
I understand now why celebrities
were always ducking cameras

1173
01:08:48,458 --> 01:08:51,795
and not wanting to sign
autographs and things.

1174
01:08:52,212 --> 01:08:55,089
They would just like to be
left alone to eat their lunch...

1175
01:08:55,090 --> 01:08:56,298
I want to take a picture
with you,

1176
01:08:56,299 --> 01:08:57,926
before I leave,
before I go home.

1177
01:08:58,093 --> 01:08:59,803
Ok, take it quickly.

1178
01:08:59,970 --> 01:09:01,720
Without having
their picture taken.

1179
01:09:01,721 --> 01:09:04,683
We are all graffiti artists!

1180
01:09:05,308 --> 01:09:07,476
It's wildstyle, baby!

1181
01:09:07,477 --> 01:09:09,437
I've had people on the
subway recognise me!

1182
01:09:09,854 --> 01:09:11,355
I've walked down the street,

1183
01:09:11,356 --> 01:09:14,483
it's very odd,
you know "Martha Cooper!"

1184
01:09:14,484 --> 01:09:18,321
Marty Cooper in the
house! She's just flown in.

1185
01:09:18,613 --> 01:09:20,948
I feel like the photography part

1186
01:09:20,949 --> 01:09:23,702
isn't understood
as well as it could be.

1187
01:09:24,703 --> 01:09:27,037
Can I please have you
sign my book as well?

1188
01:09:27,038 --> 01:09:30,792
Ok, you have to understand
they're already pre-signed,

1189
01:09:30,959 --> 01:09:33,335
- but I can add something.
- I'm such a big fan.

1190
01:09:33,336 --> 01:09:34,546
And I try to be nice.

1191
01:09:35,588 --> 01:09:38,133
But it does make me
feel uncomfortable.

1192
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:40,551
I've been following you
for quite a while.

1193
01:09:40,552 --> 01:09:41,844
You're amazing!

1194
01:09:41,845 --> 01:09:43,430
You're like my grandmother!

1195
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:45,973
Lets make it 'mother'!

1196
01:09:45,974 --> 01:09:47,683
- You're like my mother, then.
- There you go.

1197
01:09:47,684 --> 01:09:48,726
I love it.

1198
01:09:48,727 --> 01:09:51,521
L-e-o-n?
I already signed it here.

1199
01:09:51,855 --> 01:09:52,855
What are we doing here?

1200
01:09:52,856 --> 01:09:55,733
To the boys
at le fix city tattoo.

1201
01:09:55,734 --> 01:09:58,570
- Where is fix city tattoo?
- Copenhagen.

1202
01:09:58,945 --> 01:10:01,323
Oh! Copenhagen! Ok.

1203
01:10:02,198 --> 01:10:03,198
Thank you!

1204
01:10:04,367 --> 01:10:06,076
Do you...

1205
01:10:06,077 --> 01:10:08,954
Do you guys know the book
that I did about tattooing?

1206
01:10:10,332 --> 01:10:15,128
I'm only a celebrity
in one particular field.

1207
01:10:15,337 --> 01:10:18,256
And if you take one step out
of that field and I'm nobody.

1208
01:10:18,423 --> 01:10:19,465
- Denmark?
- Yes.

1209
01:10:19,466 --> 01:10:22,343
Ok! Tokyo tattoo 1970,

1210
01:10:22,344 --> 01:10:25,555
it's all pictures
I shot in Japan, check it out!

1211
01:10:26,723 --> 01:10:30,518
- It's about tattooing!
- Thank you.

1212
01:10:30,977 --> 01:10:34,773
Before the graffiti,
I was interested in tattooing!

1213
01:10:35,482 --> 01:10:36,857
You gotta check it out.

1214
01:10:36,858 --> 01:10:38,359
And I just don't want
to get caught

1215
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,320
with, like, 100 other
things to sign.

1216
01:10:40,862 --> 01:10:41,862
Bye-bye!

1217
01:10:44,491 --> 01:10:45,491
This is the next one.

1218
01:10:47,243 --> 01:10:48,912
You're like my grandmother!

1219
01:10:49,454 --> 01:10:53,332
You know I don't have to tell
you, if you sign one tonight,

1220
01:10:53,333 --> 01:10:56,127
other people will see it
and then they'll stand in line.

1221
01:10:56,711 --> 01:10:59,297
One more. One more.

1222
01:11:04,177 --> 01:11:06,345
I've signed all of these.

1223
01:11:06,346 --> 01:11:07,555
Thank you very much.

1224
01:11:07,722 --> 01:11:10,058
- That way? Ok.
- This way.

1225
01:11:16,940 --> 01:11:18,857
It would have been
enough for her

1226
01:11:18,858 --> 01:11:20,484
to just photograph the graffiti

1227
01:11:20,485 --> 01:11:21,945
that she saw on trains right?

1228
01:11:23,071 --> 01:11:24,531
For a lot of people
that's enough.

1229
01:11:26,741 --> 01:11:28,451
But that was not enough for her.

1230
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:33,540
I love illegal graffiti.

1231
01:11:36,418 --> 01:11:40,046
Being on the inside,
being invited...

1232
01:12:07,866 --> 01:12:09,325
Ok, that's fine with me.

1233
01:12:17,167 --> 01:12:18,168
Ok, thank you.

1234
01:14:01,563 --> 01:14:02,564
Yeah.

1235
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:08,570
It does look fresh.

1236
01:14:10,113 --> 01:14:11,531
Cheers!

1237
01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:15,450
Oh, that's kinda cute.

1238
01:14:18,705 --> 01:14:20,039
I hope it's in focus.

1239
01:14:27,589 --> 01:14:28,839
I think what we did tonight

1240
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,301
is exactly the kind of risk
that I'm willing to take.

1241
01:14:32,302 --> 01:14:34,219
So I really thank you
for not only

1242
01:14:34,220 --> 01:14:35,930
did you take me,
but you didn't, like...

1243
01:14:36,598 --> 01:14:38,558
Act as if I was an old lady.

1244
01:14:39,851 --> 01:14:43,729
- You just took me in you know.
- Come on, I was scared.

1245
01:14:43,730 --> 01:14:44,980
When you do something like that,

1246
01:14:44,981 --> 01:14:47,525
you understand the attraction
of the whole culture.

1247
01:14:47,984 --> 01:14:50,903
Because that kind of thrill
is like a drug or something.

1248
01:14:51,571 --> 01:14:52,363
You know?

1249
01:14:52,364 --> 01:14:54,198
It was perfect. It was perfect.

1250
01:14:57,368 --> 01:14:59,453
It was. It was great.

1251
01:14:59,454 --> 01:15:02,540
And thank you! I mean, like...
Do you have a grandmother?

1252
01:15:04,834 --> 01:15:08,546
Marty! Hello!

1253
01:15:11,049 --> 01:15:11,841
Look at you!

1254
01:15:11,842 --> 01:15:13,550
I want to take you
into my studio

1255
01:15:13,551 --> 01:15:15,844
and show you some
pictures! 'Cause...

1256
01:15:15,845 --> 01:15:19,431
- Of what happened last night?
- Yes! Crazy action!

1257
01:15:19,432 --> 01:15:20,808
-Oooh.

1258
01:15:21,851 --> 01:15:25,312
Oh, Martha. Oh, my god.

1259
01:15:25,313 --> 01:15:27,814
Do you... do you see any...

1260
01:15:27,815 --> 01:15:32,320
Martha, do you see
any sign of police?

1261
01:15:32,862 --> 01:15:34,488
Maybe they would fine me but

1262
01:15:34,489 --> 01:15:37,240
really are they gonna
put me in jail for this?

1263
01:15:37,241 --> 01:15:39,076
- Of course they will.
- You think?

1264
01:15:39,077 --> 01:15:41,495
Once I've put myself in
the situation,

1265
01:15:41,496 --> 01:15:44,165
I'm not going to worry
about whether it's dangerous.

1266
01:15:45,833 --> 01:15:48,168
- Wow.
- Oh my god.

1267
01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:52,214
Now that I have the shots,
it feels amazing and wonderful

1268
01:15:52,215 --> 01:15:54,008
and I'm so glad I did this.

1269
01:15:54,342 --> 01:15:56,677
But when you're in the middle
of trying to shoot it

1270
01:15:56,678 --> 01:15:58,095
and trying to get the shots

1271
01:15:58,096 --> 01:16:00,347
it's not like I'm celebrating

1272
01:16:00,348 --> 01:16:03,183
the activity
and congratulating myself

1273
01:16:03,184 --> 01:16:05,852
for being allowed
to get into the yard and shoot.

1274
01:16:05,853 --> 01:16:10,149
I'm just trying to keep up
and take... get the picture.

1275
01:16:10,316 --> 01:16:14,070
I'm not thinking about
anything other than exposure,

1276
01:16:14,612 --> 01:16:20,535
you know, shutter speed,
lighting and who's doing what.

1277
01:16:20,993 --> 01:16:26,289
I'm not feeling anything,

1278
01:16:26,290 --> 01:16:28,543
other than photography.

1279
01:16:30,712 --> 01:16:33,463
Martha could have gone
into corporate photography

1280
01:16:33,464 --> 01:16:36,676
and photographed like,
ad campaigns, or something

1281
01:16:36,843 --> 01:16:40,304
and met a bunch of models, it
would have bored her to tears.

1282
01:16:41,472 --> 01:16:43,724
Think she likes travel,
adventure,

1283
01:16:43,725 --> 01:16:45,100
and a little bit of danger.

1284
01:16:45,101 --> 01:16:49,312
That's, you know... it wasn't...
Put it this way.

1285
01:16:49,313 --> 01:16:52,400
The people that she photographed
were not choirboys.

1286
01:16:52,984 --> 01:16:54,359
Go slow, slow, slow, slow.

1287
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,570
Let me look at... yes! Yes! Yes!

1288
01:16:56,571 --> 01:16:58,196
This is it! This is it!
This is it!

1289
01:16:58,197 --> 01:16:59,990
- Oh, there's a spot.
- Right here! Perfect! See?

1290
01:16:59,991 --> 01:17:02,242
- Look, folks!
- The parking gods.

1291
01:17:02,243 --> 01:17:06,164
We gotta get a shot of that
train going! Bare! Boring.

1292
01:17:06,831 --> 01:17:07,874
Hmm.

1293
01:17:17,175 --> 01:17:18,259
Trying to line it up.

1294
01:17:19,594 --> 01:17:21,888
Oh, shit! Hold this. Here.

1295
01:17:28,227 --> 01:17:31,689
Ok, now I see I need to move...
Move! Move! Move! Move.

1296
01:17:34,358 --> 01:17:37,945
Ok, I see, it's gotta
be above the train.

1297
01:17:40,823 --> 01:17:43,451
Alright, so I was back further.

1298
01:17:45,369 --> 01:17:47,497
Ok we have to wait
for the next train.

1299
01:17:52,335 --> 01:17:54,836
Oh, there's one!
That was convenient.

1300
01:17:54,837 --> 01:17:57,673
Ok. Good. Done! We got it!

1301
01:17:57,965 --> 01:18:00,885
Although let me see...
I want to see the book again.

1302
01:18:06,098 --> 01:18:07,642
Look! Yo!

1303
01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:10,436
Dondi! Bro, that's that
shit I was telling you.

1304
01:18:10,812 --> 01:18:12,979
Ok, but do you know
who took the picture?

1305
01:18:12,980 --> 01:18:14,816
No I don't. Was it you?

1306
01:18:16,567 --> 01:18:19,861
Wow, bro, it was you?

1307
01:18:19,862 --> 01:18:23,740
I seen a picture of
the lady that took it.

1308
01:18:23,741 --> 01:18:27,452
Bro, you gotta take a picture
with me, bro. Me and her, bro.

1309
01:18:27,453 --> 01:18:29,789
You got a
legend fucking picture.

1310
01:18:30,331 --> 01:18:32,916
You know,
it's enormously satisfying

1311
01:18:32,917 --> 01:18:36,336
to be able to continue
to having relationships

1312
01:18:36,337 --> 01:18:38,338
with the people
that I photograph.

1313
01:18:39,549 --> 01:18:43,718
- That's incredible! I love it.
- I never seen anyone do it

1314
01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:45,470
in a sense it's become
my family.

1315
01:18:45,471 --> 01:18:49,099
And I'm part of this
enormous, connected

1316
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:51,811
street art graffiti world

1317
01:18:51,978 --> 01:18:55,189
and that's very satisfying.

1318
01:19:05,616 --> 01:19:09,328
Martha, she feel that
time how it's powerful.

1319
01:19:10,746 --> 01:19:12,874
She feel that. She saw.

1320
01:19:14,458 --> 01:19:15,792
The same thing
that I think she saw

1321
01:19:15,793 --> 01:19:17,919
when she saw kids playing

1322
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,797
with whatever
they find in the street.

1323
01:19:20,423 --> 01:19:24,051
She see the same thing in
these guys painting subway.

1324
01:19:33,728 --> 01:19:35,563
There's no one like you.

1325
01:19:37,815 --> 01:19:41,860
We love you. We love you.

1326
01:19:41,861 --> 01:19:44,321
She change our life.

1327
01:19:44,322 --> 01:19:46,197
This idea to take
photos of these guys

1328
01:19:46,198 --> 01:19:48,200
in the subways change our life.

1329
01:19:51,579 --> 01:19:53,538
Ok, see you.

1330
01:19:53,539 --> 01:19:54,874
Bye-bye.

1331
01:20:14,477 --> 01:20:16,478
Everyday life is only everyday

1332
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,814
for a short period of time.

1333
01:20:20,066 --> 01:20:22,442
The subway pictures
took 30, 40 years

1334
01:20:22,443 --> 01:20:24,110
to be of interest to people.

1335
01:20:24,111 --> 01:20:26,863
You know it might take
that long for Baltimore.

1336
01:20:35,039 --> 01:20:36,831
Maybe the next big thing
is gonna happen

1337
01:20:36,832 --> 01:20:39,794
in China, or Japan or Pakistan,

1338
01:20:40,211 --> 01:20:41,295
for all we know.

1339
01:20:43,714 --> 01:20:45,298
I'm sure that there
will be somebody

1340
01:20:45,299 --> 01:20:47,677
there taking pictures of it.

1341
01:20:50,596 --> 01:20:52,973
I'm never going to
be a Google doodle.

1342
01:20:52,974 --> 01:20:55,559
I don't think I'm going
to make it to that level.

1343
01:20:58,813 --> 01:21:00,939
Not a...

1344
01:21:00,940 --> 01:21:03,901
Not a very high aspiration.

1345
01:21:05,987 --> 01:21:08,447
I don't care about my legacy,
I'm gonna be dead.

1346
01:21:08,864 --> 01:21:10,950
Let somebody else worry
about my legacy.

1347
01:21:11,867 --> 01:21:14,369
Subway art is out there,
the books are out there,

1348
01:21:14,370 --> 01:21:16,789
I think they will survive.

1349
01:21:17,456 --> 01:21:20,292
I just keep at it. Keep going.

1350
01:21:21,836 --> 01:21:22,836
What's next?