1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:02,335 --> 00:00:03,375 [indistinct radio chatter] 3 00:00:04,571 --> 00:00:07,040 [eerie music] 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:08,241 --> 00:00:11,144 - I was a member of the Manson Family. 6 00:00:11,177 --> 00:00:14,080 - Charlie was permeating my whole being. 7 00:00:14,114 --> 00:00:15,415 - He was alive. 8 00:00:15,448 --> 00:00:18,251 - He was manipulating in a way that no one knew 9 00:00:18,284 --> 00:00:20,420 he was manipulating. 10 00:00:20,453 --> 00:00:22,455 - I don't need to kill anyone! 11 00:00:22,489 --> 00:00:24,290 I think it. 12 00:00:24,324 --> 00:00:26,126 - What was it about Charlie Manson 13 00:00:26,159 --> 00:00:29,429 that made these women give up their names 14 00:00:29,462 --> 00:00:32,599 and their belongings and join his family? 15 00:00:32,632 --> 00:00:35,602 [tense music] 16 00:00:35,635 --> 00:00:37,570 ♪ ♪ 17 00:00:37,604 --> 00:00:40,573 - I didn't have any family to speak of. 18 00:00:40,607 --> 00:00:44,110 It was pretty torturous, just this loneliness 19 00:00:44,144 --> 00:00:46,413 of not having anybody to ever count on. 20 00:00:46,446 --> 00:00:50,183 - She's exactly the kind of person ISIS looks for, 21 00:00:50,216 --> 00:00:53,353 because she wanted desperately to be part of something. 22 00:00:53,386 --> 00:00:56,456 - He made victims of more than just the people that died. 23 00:00:56,489 --> 00:00:59,125 There are some people you don't have to forgive. 24 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:02,128 - I never saw fulfillment and happiness 25 00:01:02,162 --> 00:01:04,197 in the people I looked up to. 26 00:01:04,230 --> 00:01:07,367 I'd say meeting Manson saved my life, 27 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,470 my health, my brain, 28 00:01:10,503 --> 00:01:12,472 my emotional health, my mental health, 29 00:01:12,505 --> 00:01:14,374 my physical health. 30 00:01:14,407 --> 00:01:16,910 I'm thankful. 31 00:01:16,943 --> 00:01:19,346 - I have no idea how you could have been 32 00:01:19,379 --> 00:01:23,516 involved in that family and have continued 33 00:01:23,550 --> 00:01:26,252 to believe what Manson said. 34 00:01:26,286 --> 00:01:29,155 - You want to talk about immoral and evil, 35 00:01:29,189 --> 00:01:30,457 go to Hollywood. 36 00:01:30,490 --> 00:01:33,593 We touched it. It needed to be touched. 37 00:01:33,626 --> 00:01:36,162 ♪ ♪ 38 00:01:36,196 --> 00:01:39,232 - From my perspective, I was looking for a place 39 00:01:39,265 --> 00:01:43,236 to be a part of something bigger than just myself. 40 00:01:43,269 --> 00:01:45,538 - That's a person who is vulnerable, 41 00:01:45,572 --> 00:01:48,341 and that's why a lot of cult leaders 42 00:01:48,375 --> 00:01:50,477 choose young girls. 43 00:01:50,510 --> 00:01:52,512 Dianne was the perfect target. 44 00:01:52,545 --> 00:01:54,547 - It was hard to live with. 45 00:01:54,581 --> 00:01:57,250 I felt this overwhelming guilt, 46 00:01:57,283 --> 00:01:59,619 just guilty by association. 47 00:01:59,652 --> 00:02:02,389 It's just been very cathartic for me to realize 48 00:02:02,422 --> 00:02:04,758 that I was a victim of his manipulation. 49 00:02:05,725 --> 00:02:07,460 - We were all looking for a family 50 00:02:07,494 --> 00:02:08,762 that we related to. 51 00:02:08,795 --> 00:02:10,463 - Squeaky wanted to rebel. 52 00:02:10,497 --> 00:02:12,432 If you've ever been a parent of a child 53 00:02:12,465 --> 00:02:15,301 who's in their teens and they just wanna rebel 54 00:02:15,335 --> 00:02:17,537 and they find the bad boy... 55 00:02:17,570 --> 00:02:19,773 - Charlie, he had what I wanted. 56 00:02:19,806 --> 00:02:22,642 It was amazing to me. 57 00:02:22,676 --> 00:02:25,545 I had tried to kill 58 00:02:25,578 --> 00:02:29,482 the leader... of the country. 59 00:02:29,516 --> 00:02:31,785 - I knew that Charlie put her up to it. 60 00:02:31,818 --> 00:02:36,690 - I've never regretted any of those experiences. 61 00:02:36,723 --> 00:02:39,325 I've been out for almost ten years. 62 00:02:39,359 --> 00:02:40,760 [dramatic music] 63 00:02:40,794 --> 00:02:43,530 - None of the people should ever be paroled. 64 00:02:43,563 --> 00:02:45,598 - These people can't be trusted. 65 00:02:45,632 --> 00:02:50,670 Are they the same people that they were in 1969? 66 00:02:50,704 --> 00:02:52,706 - Everything was about Charlie. 67 00:02:52,739 --> 00:02:55,342 - It was kill or be killed. 68 00:02:55,375 --> 00:02:57,644 - Just because a person kills 69 00:02:57,677 --> 00:03:01,514 does not make them evil and bad. 70 00:03:01,548 --> 00:03:04,584 War is not murder. 71 00:03:04,617 --> 00:03:07,587 [ominous music] 72 00:03:07,620 --> 00:03:14,627 ♪ ♪ 73 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:20,367 [foreboding music] 74 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,701 - That summer and what 75 00:03:21,735 --> 00:03:23,703 Charles Manson and the women did, 76 00:03:23,737 --> 00:03:25,372 I mean, it really took 77 00:03:25,405 --> 00:03:27,474 the innocence away from America. 78 00:03:27,507 --> 00:03:29,876 ♪ ♪ 79 00:03:29,909 --> 00:03:32,445 - In California, five members of a so-called 80 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:35,048 religious cult including Charles Manson, 81 00:03:35,081 --> 00:03:38,351 the guru or high priest, have been indicted 82 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:42,055 in the murder of Sharon Tate and six others. 83 00:03:42,088 --> 00:03:45,859 - Charlie Manson hadn't actually picked up a knife 84 00:03:45,892 --> 00:03:48,595 and stabbed anybody. 85 00:03:48,628 --> 00:03:51,331 He ordered them to go do this, and they did. 86 00:03:51,364 --> 00:03:54,334 ♪ ♪ 87 00:03:54,367 --> 00:03:55,869 - There's nothing about it that isn't 88 00:03:55,902 --> 00:03:58,838 completely heartrending, disgusting, 89 00:03:58,872 --> 00:04:01,341 scary, vicious. 90 00:04:01,374 --> 00:04:04,778 It was meant to be vicious, violent, and vile. 91 00:04:04,811 --> 00:04:07,781 [chilling music] 92 00:04:07,814 --> 00:04:09,549 ♪ ♪ 93 00:04:09,582 --> 00:04:11,384 - It was a very scary thing 94 00:04:11,418 --> 00:04:13,787 to have these band of hippies kill people. 95 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:16,489 - The group was broken up last October 96 00:04:16,523 --> 00:04:18,491 when the deputies raided the camp. 97 00:04:18,525 --> 00:04:19,793 Some of the women were nude, 98 00:04:19,826 --> 00:04:22,629 and some wore only bikini bottoms. 99 00:04:22,662 --> 00:04:26,399 - The Manson Family was going to get us. 100 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:29,803 That became the proverbial bogeyman. 101 00:04:29,836 --> 00:04:31,404 - The women... 102 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:32,948 - I don't fear for anybody's testimony. 103 00:04:32,972 --> 00:04:34,708 - They didn't show any remorse. 104 00:04:34,741 --> 00:04:36,643 I mean, they just doubled down, 105 00:04:36,676 --> 00:04:40,580 and they wanted to be there for their leader, for Charlie. 106 00:04:40,613 --> 00:04:42,482 I mean, how frightening is that 107 00:04:42,515 --> 00:04:45,118 to the people that are watching this trial? 108 00:04:45,151 --> 00:04:47,387 Female narrator: It was a shocking trial: 109 00:04:47,420 --> 00:04:50,824 Charles Manson and some of his young followers in court 110 00:04:50,857 --> 00:04:52,892 charged with murder and conspiracy 111 00:04:52,926 --> 00:04:55,895 in the brutal deaths of seven people. 112 00:04:55,929 --> 00:04:59,466 - Manson's influence over these women 113 00:04:59,499 --> 00:05:02,836 was so strong that they believed 114 00:05:02,869 --> 00:05:04,637 what they were doing was the right thing. 115 00:05:06,906 --> 00:05:08,641 - I was interviewing someone in prison, 116 00:05:08,675 --> 00:05:12,512 and she said every woman she knew was there 117 00:05:12,545 --> 00:05:13,913 because of a man, 118 00:05:13,947 --> 00:05:16,950 either because she did his dirty work for him 119 00:05:16,983 --> 00:05:20,820 or maybe retribution because he cheated on her. 120 00:05:20,854 --> 00:05:23,723 But it was mainly that they had been 121 00:05:23,757 --> 00:05:26,493 manipulated by men and had found themselves 122 00:05:26,526 --> 00:05:28,528 in prison as a result. 123 00:05:28,561 --> 00:05:31,931 Narrator: In 1969, Charles Manson convinced 124 00:05:31,965 --> 00:05:35,402 a group of very young women to commit crimes 125 00:05:35,435 --> 00:05:36,770 and murder for him. 126 00:05:38,038 --> 00:05:40,540 Why were these women willing to abandon 127 00:05:40,573 --> 00:05:45,912 the lives they had known for a 5'2" ex-con like Manson? 128 00:05:47,013 --> 00:05:49,749 [rock music] 129 00:05:49,783 --> 00:05:53,853 - Everything's got to be in the context of the '60s. 130 00:05:55,221 --> 00:05:57,424 - It was a very different time, yeah. 131 00:05:57,457 --> 00:06:01,628 The country sort of just opened up 132 00:06:01,661 --> 00:06:06,900 partly due to... different drugs, I guess. 133 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:11,538 - 500,000 of our brothers are killing and dying 134 00:06:11,571 --> 00:06:13,907 in a jungle 10,000 miles away. 135 00:06:13,940 --> 00:06:15,775 - There were all kinds of things happening 136 00:06:15,809 --> 00:06:17,911 on different college campuses. 137 00:06:17,944 --> 00:06:21,514 Many aspects of society were seeing 138 00:06:21,548 --> 00:06:25,985 the disillusion of the system. 139 00:06:26,019 --> 00:06:29,956 - My mother said she considered me more of a sister 140 00:06:29,989 --> 00:06:33,893 in, you know, this counterculture movement 141 00:06:33,927 --> 00:06:38,064 than she did, you know, her daughter. 142 00:06:38,098 --> 00:06:40,600 - It was peace, love. 143 00:06:40,633 --> 00:06:43,937 People were exploring alternative lifestyles. 144 00:06:43,970 --> 00:06:45,538 I was at that right age. 145 00:06:45,572 --> 00:06:48,475 We loved guys who played guitar. 146 00:06:48,508 --> 00:06:50,910 We loved the guys who were sort of brooding 147 00:06:50,944 --> 00:06:52,545 and mysterious. 148 00:06:52,579 --> 00:06:54,681 Everybody was speaking in psychobabble. 149 00:06:54,714 --> 00:06:56,683 [dark music] 150 00:06:56,716 --> 00:06:58,585 narrator: The women who became a part 151 00:06:58,618 --> 00:07:02,822 of Manson's family were between the ages of 13 and 24. 152 00:07:02,856 --> 00:07:05,959 They were orphans, runaways, and rebels. 153 00:07:05,992 --> 00:07:09,562 But what was it about him that attracted them? 154 00:07:09,596 --> 00:07:15,969 ♪ ♪ 155 00:07:16,002 --> 00:07:17,704 - I'll say anything you want me to say. 156 00:07:17,737 --> 00:07:20,974 Just, you know, give me some rest, you know? 157 00:07:21,007 --> 00:07:24,044 So everybody's very happy now. They got what they wanted. 158 00:07:24,077 --> 00:07:29,015 I just can't even watch myself talking about it. 159 00:07:29,049 --> 00:07:31,618 It's just horrible. 160 00:07:31,651 --> 00:07:32,986 I was born in France. 161 00:07:33,019 --> 00:07:37,557 My mother was taken by an officer 162 00:07:37,590 --> 00:07:39,993 and raped. 163 00:07:40,026 --> 00:07:42,595 She took her own life after the war, 164 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:46,566 and then I was adopted by American parents. 165 00:07:46,599 --> 00:07:50,136 My mother who adopted me got cancer 166 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:54,007 and died when I was 16. 167 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,742 She took her own life also, 168 00:07:55,775 --> 00:07:58,078 because she thought she might be a burden. 169 00:07:58,111 --> 00:08:01,715 And then I was estranged from my stepfather. 170 00:08:03,750 --> 00:08:05,952 Basically, I wasn't homeless like under a bridge 171 00:08:05,985 --> 00:08:09,122 or anything like that, but I really didn't have 172 00:08:09,155 --> 00:08:11,925 a place of my own. 173 00:08:11,958 --> 00:08:13,993 It was pretty torturous, you know, 174 00:08:14,027 --> 00:08:18,098 just this loneliness of not having anybody 175 00:08:18,131 --> 00:08:20,900 to ever count on. 176 00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:23,870 - These young women were searching for love. 177 00:08:23,903 --> 00:08:28,341 - They wanted so desperately to be accepted and to be in. 178 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:31,811 - I was totally looking for that acceptance. 179 00:08:31,845 --> 00:08:34,981 ♪ ♪ 180 00:08:35,015 --> 00:08:36,649 At the time, 181 00:08:36,683 --> 00:08:41,554 my home life was pretty disorganized. 182 00:08:42,222 --> 00:08:44,057 My dad had always been kind of enamored 183 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:47,861 with this counterculture movement. 184 00:08:47,894 --> 00:08:51,064 My mom gave up everything for my dad's dream 185 00:08:51,097 --> 00:08:53,099 of dropping out. 186 00:08:53,133 --> 00:08:55,935 We had a big yard sale and moved into a bread truck. 187 00:08:55,969 --> 00:08:58,972 Five of us, you know, three kids and two adults, 188 00:08:59,005 --> 00:09:00,674 and we were supposed to be doing it 189 00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:03,209 with these other members of this commune. 190 00:09:03,243 --> 00:09:06,046 Then when I got to this commune, 191 00:09:06,079 --> 00:09:08,391 the people that were in charge said they were uncomfortable 192 00:09:08,415 --> 00:09:09,916 with my being there 193 00:09:09,949 --> 00:09:11,918 because I was a sexually active 194 00:09:11,951 --> 00:09:14,854 underaged female. 195 00:09:14,888 --> 00:09:16,222 They weren't kicking me out, 196 00:09:16,256 --> 00:09:18,792 but I didn't feel like I belonged. 197 00:09:18,825 --> 00:09:22,762 My parents, they had given me emancipation as a minor. 198 00:09:22,796 --> 00:09:26,099 I had really gotten lost in the weeds, 199 00:09:26,132 --> 00:09:27,967 and so I was looking for a place 200 00:09:28,001 --> 00:09:30,737 to be a part of something. 201 00:09:33,940 --> 00:09:36,643 - When my parents dropped out, I was 13. 202 00:09:38,111 --> 00:09:41,648 - You've got a combination of elements: 203 00:09:41,681 --> 00:09:43,650 someone who wants to be independent, 204 00:09:43,683 --> 00:09:47,120 someone who may even think they can handle independence, 205 00:09:47,153 --> 00:09:50,890 but who is entirely emotionally ill-prepared. 206 00:09:50,924 --> 00:09:53,193 That's a person who is vulnerable. 207 00:09:53,226 --> 00:09:56,763 [dramatic music] 208 00:09:56,796 --> 00:10:01,668 - I was 18, and then my dad threw me out. 209 00:10:01,701 --> 00:10:03,003 We had started to argue. 210 00:10:03,036 --> 00:10:07,707 He was... he just didn't want 211 00:10:07,741 --> 00:10:09,876 the interaction with me. 212 00:10:11,077 --> 00:10:14,781 It wasn't that I was contesting all the time. 213 00:10:14,814 --> 00:10:19,886 It was that I wanted to know and he didn't have answers. 214 00:10:19,919 --> 00:10:23,189 And he thought he should have all the answers, I guess. 215 00:10:23,223 --> 00:10:26,459 I felt like I had to go out and find out myself. 216 00:10:26,493 --> 00:10:29,062 ♪ ♪ 217 00:10:29,095 --> 00:10:32,065 My father and I had argued about 218 00:10:32,098 --> 00:10:35,769 just a definition of a word or something, 219 00:10:35,802 --> 00:10:37,771 something really silly. 220 00:10:37,804 --> 00:10:41,074 And he said, "You get out of this house 221 00:10:41,107 --> 00:10:44,077 and never come back." 222 00:10:44,110 --> 00:10:46,312 I took him at his word. 223 00:10:46,346 --> 00:10:49,315 I did cry, because I just thought, 224 00:10:49,349 --> 00:10:53,687 "Well, that's pretty final." 225 00:10:54,287 --> 00:10:56,990 - They were, many of them, in middle-class families 226 00:10:57,023 --> 00:10:59,025 where they just wanted to rebel. 227 00:10:59,059 --> 00:11:01,828 And if you've ever been a parent of a child 228 00:11:01,861 --> 00:11:03,329 who's in their teens, 229 00:11:03,363 --> 00:11:07,867 you can understand that to an extent. 230 00:11:07,901 --> 00:11:11,037 - Lynn's father was an aeronautical engineer 231 00:11:11,071 --> 00:11:12,872 from Southern California. 232 00:11:12,906 --> 00:11:15,942 My stepfather was an aeronautical engineer. 233 00:11:15,975 --> 00:11:19,112 We had a lot of similarities in my upbringing, 234 00:11:19,145 --> 00:11:21,147 but I'd say I was more upper middle class. 235 00:11:21,181 --> 00:11:23,216 I mean, we would be in the society column 236 00:11:23,249 --> 00:11:28,321 at Christmastime, looking pretty and photogenic. 237 00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:33,093 Like, "Ooh, beautiful, beautiful American family." 238 00:11:34,394 --> 00:11:38,098 I had so many respiratory things going on, 239 00:11:38,131 --> 00:11:42,902 two tracheotomies by the time I was one. 240 00:11:42,936 --> 00:11:46,172 My mother did not want me 241 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:50,276 to survive the many operations I had. 242 00:11:50,310 --> 00:11:53,913 I know that for a fact. She conveyed it daily. 243 00:11:53,947 --> 00:11:56,149 I was 24 years old, 244 00:11:56,182 --> 00:11:58,852 and I had learning disabilities. 245 00:11:58,885 --> 00:12:02,889 I never saw fulfillment and happiness 246 00:12:02,922 --> 00:12:05,992 in, you know, the people I looked up to. 247 00:12:06,026 --> 00:12:07,360 None of them were happy. 248 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:09,929 Many of them were alcoholics. 249 00:12:09,963 --> 00:12:12,298 Narrator: It was in the fall of 1967 250 00:12:12,332 --> 00:12:16,336 when many of the women met Manson for the first time. 251 00:12:16,369 --> 00:12:20,006 - We were all looking for a family, I think. 252 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,050 We were all looking for a family 253 00:12:21,074 --> 00:12:22,976 that we related to. 254 00:12:23,009 --> 00:12:25,578 - If you couple the desire for inclusion 255 00:12:25,612 --> 00:12:27,313 with a fear of rejection, 256 00:12:27,347 --> 00:12:30,583 you can get people to do almost anything. 257 00:12:30,617 --> 00:12:32,185 And it's a really dangerous thing 258 00:12:32,218 --> 00:12:34,220 when you've got someone who knows how to do that. 259 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:37,223 [suspenseful music] 260 00:12:37,257 --> 00:12:39,159 ♪ ♪ 261 00:12:39,192 --> 00:12:41,027 - Charlie held all the cards. 262 00:12:41,061 --> 00:12:45,298 - I really, truly believed that my survival 263 00:12:45,331 --> 00:12:48,068 was going to be to stay with Charlie. 264 00:12:49,336 --> 00:12:53,973 - Charlie told me that I had to be willing to kill. 265 00:12:54,007 --> 00:12:57,344 - It's so hard to believe a woman could have 266 00:12:57,377 --> 00:13:01,081 these up-close, personal, intimate murders 267 00:13:01,114 --> 00:13:02,849 and not feel anything. 268 00:13:04,184 --> 00:13:08,054 - How can you put the finger at us 269 00:13:08,088 --> 00:13:12,258 and call us evil for doing what needed to be done? 270 00:13:19,299 --> 00:13:20,299 [dramatic music] 271 00:13:22,268 --> 00:13:25,438 ♪ ♪ 272 00:13:25,472 --> 00:13:27,273 narrator: By the time the brutal murders 273 00:13:27,307 --> 00:13:30,443 had occurred, the women had been with Manson 274 00:13:30,477 --> 00:13:32,979 for almost two years. 275 00:13:33,013 --> 00:13:36,316 How was Manson able to find all these lost souls 276 00:13:36,349 --> 00:13:39,285 from dysfunctional families and convince them 277 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:42,188 to give themselves to him? 278 00:13:42,222 --> 00:13:45,925 - Charlie was dynamic and charismatic, 279 00:13:45,959 --> 00:13:49,496 and he would play the guitar, and he sang. 280 00:13:49,529 --> 00:13:51,464 And it was in that culture 281 00:13:51,498 --> 00:13:56,102 where these young women were searching for love. 282 00:13:56,136 --> 00:14:00,240 - They were hungry for a connection. 283 00:14:00,273 --> 00:14:02,942 He had the ability to pay attention, 284 00:14:02,976 --> 00:14:04,511 which picked up strengths 285 00:14:04,544 --> 00:14:07,947 but, most important, vulnerabilities, 286 00:14:07,981 --> 00:14:10,250 and knew how to manipulate that. 287 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,389 - I went to Topanga Canyon, 288 00:14:16,423 --> 00:14:19,993 and that's where I first met Charlie. 289 00:14:20,026 --> 00:14:22,429 [tense music] 290 00:14:22,462 --> 00:14:28,101 We walked outside, and he looked at my throat. 291 00:14:28,134 --> 00:14:33,173 And he traced his finger around my tracheotomy scar. 292 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:35,308 ♪ ♪ 293 00:14:35,342 --> 00:14:38,478 And he said, "Your mother wanted you dead 294 00:14:38,511 --> 00:14:40,513 because she was jealous." 295 00:14:40,547 --> 00:14:44,084 He's whatever a person wants to make of him. 296 00:14:44,117 --> 00:14:48,088 He's a mirror, actually. 297 00:14:48,121 --> 00:14:51,057 And I thought, "Oh, my God, he is totally in my mind." 298 00:14:51,091 --> 00:14:55,362 And he said, "You're not weak." 299 00:14:57,230 --> 00:15:01,301 His brilliance was permeating my whole being. 300 00:15:01,334 --> 00:15:05,605 My mind was pretty much blown 301 00:15:05,638 --> 00:15:09,142 just by his voice, by his demeanor, 302 00:15:09,175 --> 00:15:12,145 by the happiness and the brightness. 303 00:15:12,178 --> 00:15:14,014 Narrator: He convinced these women 304 00:15:14,047 --> 00:15:17,150 that he had a unique insight into their beings. 305 00:15:17,183 --> 00:15:19,452 And with that, they were hooked. 306 00:15:19,486 --> 00:15:22,022 ♪ ♪ 307 00:15:22,055 --> 00:15:23,123 - I had a job. 308 00:15:23,156 --> 00:15:24,233 I had just boughten a bunch 309 00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:26,092 of scuba diving equipment. 310 00:15:26,126 --> 00:15:28,228 I called up my roommate and said, 311 00:15:28,261 --> 00:15:30,463 "You can sell my scuba diving equipment, 312 00:15:30,497 --> 00:15:34,501 "you can sell my skis, and I will call my boss back 313 00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:38,505 and tell her I'm not coming back to work." 314 00:15:38,538 --> 00:15:41,074 There's a new thought arising. 315 00:15:41,107 --> 00:15:43,309 We learned that the only truth we've ever heard 316 00:15:43,343 --> 00:15:45,211 comes from Charles. 317 00:15:45,245 --> 00:15:50,617 ♪ ♪ 318 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:53,486 narrator: Like Blue, Squeaky met Manson by chance 319 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,555 in Southern California. 320 00:15:57,123 --> 00:15:58,458 Squeaky had just left home 321 00:15:58,491 --> 00:16:01,661 after an argument with her father. 322 00:16:01,695 --> 00:16:04,264 - I was out at the beach. 323 00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:08,435 It was dark. Nobody was around. 324 00:16:08,468 --> 00:16:12,305 I had thought I could find some hippies. 325 00:16:12,339 --> 00:16:16,409 Charlie, he had been going somewhere else... 326 00:16:16,443 --> 00:16:18,511 I think to Hollywood. 327 00:16:18,545 --> 00:16:23,416 And instead, he stopped off in Venice, 328 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:25,151 walked down the road. 329 00:16:25,185 --> 00:16:29,189 He didn't see me until he got close enough, 330 00:16:29,222 --> 00:16:32,492 and then he said, 331 00:16:32,525 --> 00:16:34,561 "So your father kicked you out?" 332 00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:37,564 And it was amazing to me. 333 00:16:37,597 --> 00:16:40,166 ♪ ♪ 334 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,471 He was very interested, animated. 335 00:16:44,504 --> 00:16:47,107 He was interacting. 336 00:16:47,140 --> 00:16:50,510 He was alive. That's the main thing. 337 00:16:50,543 --> 00:16:54,414 Charlie, he exhibited so much. 338 00:16:54,447 --> 00:16:58,151 It was a quiet... it was a presence, 339 00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:02,589 and that's probably the thing that's hardest to convey. 340 00:17:02,622 --> 00:17:04,391 Narrator: With nowhere else to go 341 00:17:04,424 --> 00:17:06,493 and enamored by their first meeting, 342 00:17:06,526 --> 00:17:11,197 Squeaky joined Manson and met the others. 343 00:17:11,231 --> 00:17:14,701 In the beginning, Manson and the women had nothing. 344 00:17:14,734 --> 00:17:16,703 They lived off the good nature of others 345 00:17:16,736 --> 00:17:20,507 and ate out of dumpsters when there was nothing else. 346 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:23,710 To get around, they borrowed cars and vans. 347 00:17:23,743 --> 00:17:26,546 - We traveled in a VW bus. 348 00:17:26,579 --> 00:17:29,616 And there were very quickly three of us 349 00:17:29,649 --> 00:17:31,685 and then five of us, 350 00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:35,255 and then we had to get a bigger bus. 351 00:17:35,288 --> 00:17:39,259 I mean, he was not recruiting anybody. 352 00:17:39,292 --> 00:17:41,194 What it was is, 353 00:17:41,227 --> 00:17:44,364 we were discovering America. 354 00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:46,499 - Charlie's group was very nomadic. 355 00:17:46,533 --> 00:17:48,635 They didn't have anything. 356 00:17:48,668 --> 00:17:52,138 He would drive this bus, and he would, you know, 357 00:17:52,172 --> 00:17:55,342 literally drive down the coast and pick up these women. 358 00:17:55,375 --> 00:17:58,645 It was happiness, free love, 359 00:17:58,678 --> 00:18:01,314 you know, sort of the hippie culture. 360 00:18:03,483 --> 00:18:07,387 - Everybody took everybody in during that time, 361 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:09,020 so it didn't feel like you were homeless. 362 00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:13,226 - There was all this free love 363 00:18:13,259 --> 00:18:15,628 and people handing people drugs 364 00:18:15,662 --> 00:18:18,665 and, "Yeah, man, I'll give you free food." 365 00:18:18,698 --> 00:18:22,268 - We were irreverent human beings, 366 00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:25,705 and we were traveling. 367 00:18:27,674 --> 00:18:31,578 - They were just feeling lost and vulnerable 368 00:18:31,611 --> 00:18:33,413 to a guy like Manson. 369 00:18:33,446 --> 00:18:35,782 Narrator: Snake celebrated her 14th birthday 370 00:18:35,815 --> 00:18:37,517 all by herself. 371 00:18:37,550 --> 00:18:39,319 She was lonely and had been abandoned 372 00:18:39,352 --> 00:18:40,453 by her family. 373 00:18:40,487 --> 00:18:42,322 When she was most vulnerable, 374 00:18:42,355 --> 00:18:44,591 she crossed paths with Charles Manson. 375 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:46,693 - I'd been on my own for, you know, 376 00:18:46,726 --> 00:18:48,595 quite a few months. 377 00:18:48,628 --> 00:18:50,830 And I met these girls, and they made me feel like 378 00:18:50,864 --> 00:18:54,567 just incredibly special. 379 00:18:54,601 --> 00:18:57,570 - Dianne was making decisions 380 00:18:57,604 --> 00:19:00,540 for where she wanted to be, where she wanted to go 381 00:19:00,573 --> 00:19:03,243 that no 14-year-old should really be doing. 382 00:19:04,411 --> 00:19:06,646 Her parents just wrote out a letter and said, 383 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,281 "Okay, you can live on your own." 384 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:09,716 And they thought it was fine, 385 00:19:09,749 --> 00:19:11,451 and that's when she wound up 386 00:19:11,484 --> 00:19:14,654 being abandoned on her own. 387 00:19:14,688 --> 00:19:17,624 - Charlie was extremely loving, 388 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:19,526 and I felt welcome. 389 00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:21,795 He took me that night and made love to me 390 00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:25,231 like I'd never experienced before, 391 00:19:25,265 --> 00:19:29,703 in a way that, you know, made me feel like a woman. 392 00:19:29,736 --> 00:19:32,605 It was the most magical, you know, 393 00:19:32,639 --> 00:19:34,441 that I had ever encountered. 394 00:19:35,542 --> 00:19:36,843 - He used his sexuality 395 00:19:36,876 --> 00:19:39,746 as a way of increasing dependence on him. 396 00:19:40,747 --> 00:19:43,249 Narrator: In the '60s, for the first time, 397 00:19:43,283 --> 00:19:46,553 free expression of sexuality was part of the culture, 398 00:19:46,586 --> 00:19:49,622 something Manson used to his advantage. 399 00:19:49,656 --> 00:19:52,759 When he first met Snake and had sex with her, 400 00:19:52,792 --> 00:19:57,664 Manson was 34 and she was 14. 401 00:19:57,697 --> 00:20:00,300 - At the time, they were experimenting 402 00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:02,736 in open relationships and sexuality. 403 00:20:02,769 --> 00:20:05,905 But there's an imbalance in the power 404 00:20:05,939 --> 00:20:08,641 and the persuasion, 405 00:20:08,675 --> 00:20:11,745 and that's why we protect young people 406 00:20:11,778 --> 00:20:14,647 from being influenced by people 407 00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:16,649 who are at a different maturity level. 408 00:20:16,683 --> 00:20:19,419 - I remember thinking that I wanted 409 00:20:19,452 --> 00:20:22,522 Charlie to love only me and marry me. 410 00:20:22,555 --> 00:20:24,457 I was disenfranchised. 411 00:20:24,491 --> 00:20:26,826 I didn't feel like I really belonged anywhere, 412 00:20:26,860 --> 00:20:28,537 and they invited me to come live with them. 413 00:20:28,561 --> 00:20:30,830 So I stayed with them. 414 00:20:30,864 --> 00:20:33,867 [ominous music] 415 00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:43,710 - I think he seduced them on many different levels, 416 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:45,478 and he was very good at it. 417 00:20:45,512 --> 00:20:47,881 ♪ ♪ 418 00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:49,683 narrator: When Manson met Gypsy, 419 00:20:49,716 --> 00:20:51,484 his group was still small 420 00:20:51,518 --> 00:20:54,921 and traveling around Southern California. 421 00:20:54,954 --> 00:20:56,690 Gypsy had been homeless 422 00:20:56,723 --> 00:21:00,427 since her adopted mother's suicide. 423 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:03,430 - One day, a car drove up, 424 00:21:03,463 --> 00:21:07,367 an old beat-up Chevy with an old cowboy 425 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,835 and four girls in it. 426 00:21:08,868 --> 00:21:10,503 And that's how I met Charlie. 427 00:21:10,537 --> 00:21:12,572 Squeaky was sitting next to Charlie, 428 00:21:12,605 --> 00:21:16,476 and on the other side of her was Sandy Good. 429 00:21:16,509 --> 00:21:18,945 He was the most confident person I had ever run into. 430 00:21:18,978 --> 00:21:20,847 He was fun-loving, and everybody seemed 431 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,849 very peaceful and happy. 432 00:21:22,882 --> 00:21:25,919 Charlie took me out to talk to me, 433 00:21:25,952 --> 00:21:28,722 and he really came on to me 434 00:21:28,755 --> 00:21:30,457 really, really strong. 435 00:21:30,490 --> 00:21:32,525 I felt accepted. 436 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:35,395 It just felt like... it was kind of like 437 00:21:35,428 --> 00:21:38,365 a dream come true. 438 00:21:38,398 --> 00:21:41,701 I was an orphan, so I was looking for family. 439 00:21:41,735 --> 00:21:43,737 So I said, "Well, I'm staying," 440 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:45,372 and I never left. 441 00:21:45,405 --> 00:21:47,407 - Charlie preached about that, 442 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,477 having fun and being open 443 00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:54,781 and giving yourself to the family, 444 00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:56,983 but it came at a price. 445 00:21:57,017 --> 00:21:59,519 It came at a price of giving yourself to Charlie. 446 00:21:59,552 --> 00:22:01,888 So when it came time for him to want something from them, 447 00:22:01,921 --> 00:22:04,657 when it came to asking them to kill, 448 00:22:04,691 --> 00:22:06,626 they were willing to do that as well. 449 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:09,629 [suspenseful music] 450 00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:18,570 [dramatic music] 451 00:22:20,507 --> 00:22:24,110 ♪ ♪ 452 00:22:24,144 --> 00:22:26,579 - Charlie promised you that you would be all 453 00:22:26,613 --> 00:22:28,515 part of his family, because these women 454 00:22:28,548 --> 00:22:29,725 didn't feel like they were loved enough 455 00:22:29,749 --> 00:22:31,518 in their own family. 456 00:22:31,551 --> 00:22:34,120 But by giving up of themselves, 457 00:22:34,154 --> 00:22:35,689 they gave everything to Charlie, 458 00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:38,525 which gave Charlie power. 459 00:22:38,558 --> 00:22:41,027 - He studied at the foot of the masters. 460 00:22:41,061 --> 00:22:44,964 Before Manson started to gather his followers, 461 00:22:44,998 --> 00:22:47,067 he had been in prison. 462 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,902 Before he went in, 463 00:22:48,935 --> 00:22:52,706 he had all these abandonment experiences from women. 464 00:22:52,739 --> 00:22:55,041 His wife had left him. 465 00:22:55,075 --> 00:22:57,544 So when he was in prison, 466 00:22:57,577 --> 00:23:00,613 he was asking, "How do I keep a woman?" 467 00:23:00,647 --> 00:23:04,751 He learned and was expecting 468 00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:06,886 to come out of prison and, "Hey, what am I gonna do? 469 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,521 I'll become a pimp," 470 00:23:08,555 --> 00:23:10,890 except there was all this free love. 471 00:23:10,924 --> 00:23:12,892 Narrator: In 1969, 472 00:23:12,926 --> 00:23:15,695 Charles Manson was 34 years old, 473 00:23:15,729 --> 00:23:19,532 and he had already spent 22 years in prison, 474 00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:20,934 over half his life. 475 00:23:20,967 --> 00:23:23,603 [tense music] 476 00:23:23,636 --> 00:23:25,605 - He talked to me like a brother. 477 00:23:25,638 --> 00:23:27,774 We were on the same level. 478 00:23:27,807 --> 00:23:30,910 We were communicating our feelings to each other 479 00:23:30,944 --> 00:23:32,612 right away. 480 00:23:32,645 --> 00:23:34,647 It was life-changing. 481 00:23:34,681 --> 00:23:35,958 - I've been in jail all my life. 482 00:23:35,982 --> 00:23:37,584 Man, I've lived on a handball court. 483 00:23:37,617 --> 00:23:38,985 This guy raised me up. 484 00:23:39,019 --> 00:23:40,687 All the men in the joint raised me up, 485 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,622 told me what to do, what was right and wrong. 486 00:23:42,655 --> 00:23:44,891 ♪ ♪ 487 00:23:44,924 --> 00:23:46,826 - If you're looking for Charles Manson 488 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:49,662 and his values, definitely, they come from prison, 489 00:23:49,696 --> 00:23:50,830 for sure. 490 00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:53,166 - The outside world programs people. 491 00:23:53,199 --> 00:23:57,804 The inside unprograms people to wisdom and understanding. 492 00:23:57,837 --> 00:23:59,639 - In prison, you have to control 493 00:23:59,673 --> 00:24:00,974 your immediate environment, 494 00:24:01,007 --> 00:24:03,943 because if you don't, you can end up dead. 495 00:24:03,977 --> 00:24:06,813 So this is how he was wired. 496 00:24:06,846 --> 00:24:09,649 He was manipulating in a way that no one knew 497 00:24:09,683 --> 00:24:11,618 he was manipulating. 498 00:24:13,086 --> 00:24:16,956 It was, like, unprogramming us from all the lies 499 00:24:16,990 --> 00:24:19,192 that we were told 500 00:24:19,225 --> 00:24:23,663 and reprogramming us to feel that we were perfect. 501 00:24:23,697 --> 00:24:26,666 [solemn music] 502 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:31,171 - Charles Manson, he would find the vulnerability 503 00:24:31,204 --> 00:24:33,940 in each of the women that he gathered, 504 00:24:33,973 --> 00:24:35,975 and he would become that. 505 00:24:36,009 --> 00:24:38,845 He could look at someone and size them up 506 00:24:38,878 --> 00:24:43,249 almost immediately, know exactly what they need, 507 00:24:43,283 --> 00:24:44,818 and give it to them. 508 00:24:44,851 --> 00:24:47,987 ♪ ♪ 509 00:24:48,021 --> 00:24:50,724 narrator: One year after Manson met the women, 510 00:24:50,757 --> 00:24:53,626 his group of followers had grown to 20 people 511 00:24:53,660 --> 00:24:55,795 and was still expanding. 512 00:24:55,829 --> 00:24:57,864 Traveling around Southern California 513 00:24:57,897 --> 00:25:00,200 had become increasingly difficult. 514 00:25:00,233 --> 00:25:03,737 They needed to find a more permanent home. 515 00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:07,007 - Charlie had to find a place for his nomadic band, 516 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,877 and he brought them to George Spahn's ranch. 517 00:25:11,978 --> 00:25:13,747 Narrator: The ranch was perfect 518 00:25:13,780 --> 00:25:15,148 for Manson's growing family. 519 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:17,017 Manson made a deal 520 00:25:17,050 --> 00:25:19,919 with the blind and elderly owner, George Spahn. 521 00:25:21,755 --> 00:25:23,156 The women would work the ranch 522 00:25:23,189 --> 00:25:26,926 in exchange for everyone's room and board. 523 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,096 - The women would take care of the mules 524 00:25:30,130 --> 00:25:34,668 and clean out the stalls and work around the ranch. 525 00:25:35,802 --> 00:25:37,837 - George gave us all names. 526 00:25:37,871 --> 00:25:40,907 He would put his hand on our arm. 527 00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:42,742 I kind of went, "Eh," 528 00:25:42,776 --> 00:25:46,746 and he started calling me Squeaky. 529 00:25:46,780 --> 00:25:49,049 - I ended up with the nickname Snake, 530 00:25:49,082 --> 00:25:52,719 which I didn't particularly like. 531 00:25:52,752 --> 00:25:55,255 - I liked being at the ranch 532 00:25:55,288 --> 00:25:59,959 and horses... women that I could respect. 533 00:25:59,993 --> 00:26:03,697 But mostly, Charlie was the... 534 00:26:05,131 --> 00:26:09,936 You know, I wanted to... 535 00:26:09,969 --> 00:26:11,304 be with him. 536 00:26:11,338 --> 00:26:14,240 [ominous music] 537 00:26:14,274 --> 00:26:16,076 narrator: Moving to Spahn Ranch 538 00:26:16,109 --> 00:26:17,186 was a turning point for the women 539 00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:19,279 in Manson's group. 540 00:26:19,312 --> 00:26:21,815 The ranch allowed him to isolate them, 541 00:26:21,848 --> 00:26:25,185 brainwashing them even further. 542 00:26:25,218 --> 00:26:27,887 - They're completely isolated. 543 00:26:29,389 --> 00:26:34,260 The only source of information, news 544 00:26:34,294 --> 00:26:37,097 that they have is Charles Manson. 545 00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:39,966 [desolate music] 546 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,302 There's no television, no newspapers, 547 00:26:42,335 --> 00:26:44,304 no magazines. 548 00:26:44,337 --> 00:26:45,839 - There was no electricity. 549 00:26:45,872 --> 00:26:47,974 There was no books. 550 00:26:48,008 --> 00:26:49,776 There were no calendars. 551 00:26:49,809 --> 00:26:52,979 There were no intellectual debates in the air. 552 00:26:53,013 --> 00:26:54,881 It was just the girls participating 553 00:26:54,914 --> 00:26:58,151 in preparing the meal. 554 00:26:58,184 --> 00:27:02,389 - The isolation helped Manson. He knew that. 555 00:27:02,422 --> 00:27:05,091 - It wasn't as if he was telling people what to do 556 00:27:05,125 --> 00:27:07,193 and being bossy and commanding. 557 00:27:07,227 --> 00:27:11,331 He'd ask questions like... 558 00:27:11,364 --> 00:27:14,100 "What do you think about this?" 559 00:27:14,134 --> 00:27:16,970 "Should we do this?" He'd bring you into it. 560 00:27:17,003 --> 00:27:18,838 And then if you agreed, 561 00:27:18,872 --> 00:27:21,107 then you were, like, giving your word you would do it. 562 00:27:21,141 --> 00:27:24,144 But you didn't think that you were being told what to do. 563 00:27:24,177 --> 00:27:27,947 Narrator: Though the women were providing for Manson, 564 00:27:27,981 --> 00:27:30,383 he convinced them that he was the one 565 00:27:30,417 --> 00:27:32,285 providing for them. 566 00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:34,130 - By that time, it had been about a year's worth 567 00:27:34,154 --> 00:27:37,991 of absolutely believing that Charlie knew everything 568 00:27:38,024 --> 00:27:39,793 and that my only safety 569 00:27:39,826 --> 00:27:41,861 was to stay with him and everybody. 570 00:27:43,863 --> 00:27:46,166 - I had to have a feeling of safety. 571 00:27:46,199 --> 00:27:49,102 Safety has always been a big issue with me. 572 00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:53,973 - It was gradual, and by the time it had become 573 00:27:54,007 --> 00:27:56,810 a totalitarian community, 574 00:27:56,843 --> 00:27:59,913 they no longer could challenge him. 575 00:27:59,946 --> 00:28:01,915 They had no perspective. 576 00:28:01,948 --> 00:28:04,918 [suspenseful music] 577 00:28:10,423 --> 00:28:11,423 [dramatic music] 578 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:19,165 ♪ ♪ 579 00:28:19,199 --> 00:28:21,134 narrator: A year after meeting Manson, 580 00:28:21,167 --> 00:28:24,137 the women in the group were completely enthralled, 581 00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:27,073 becoming more and more invested in him 582 00:28:27,107 --> 00:28:28,508 and each other. 583 00:28:28,541 --> 00:28:30,276 - The lines were blurred. 584 00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:32,245 It wasn't like one person's a father; 585 00:28:32,278 --> 00:28:34,280 another person's your brother. 586 00:28:34,314 --> 00:28:38,118 It was friend, brother, lover, father, mother. 587 00:28:38,151 --> 00:28:40,153 You know, it was just all blurred. 588 00:28:40,186 --> 00:28:42,322 We were everything to each other. 589 00:28:42,355 --> 00:28:44,391 Narrator: In the fall of 1968, 590 00:28:44,424 --> 00:28:47,127 another woman came into the fold, 591 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,196 19-year-old runaway Leslie Van Houten. 592 00:28:51,531 --> 00:28:54,401 - Leslie was, you know... I remember her being, 593 00:28:54,434 --> 00:28:56,336 like, you know, the prom princess, 594 00:28:56,369 --> 00:28:59,539 California, high school gal. 595 00:28:59,572 --> 00:29:03,410 And I had never been to high school at that point. 596 00:29:03,443 --> 00:29:06,446 - In the '60s, her parents got divorced, 597 00:29:06,479 --> 00:29:09,449 which today doesn't seem like a big deal. 598 00:29:09,482 --> 00:29:12,285 But back then, it was. 599 00:29:12,318 --> 00:29:14,988 [tense music] 600 00:29:15,021 --> 00:29:19,025 She went from being with the cool kids in school 601 00:29:19,059 --> 00:29:20,393 to being shunned by them. 602 00:29:20,427 --> 00:29:24,230 She started using drugs, and she got pregnant. 603 00:29:25,532 --> 00:29:30,970 - Her mother also recoiled physically from Leslie 604 00:29:31,004 --> 00:29:33,039 when she told her she was pregnant, 605 00:29:33,073 --> 00:29:36,476 and it was devastating. 606 00:29:36,509 --> 00:29:39,212 - Her mother forced her to have an illegal abortion. 607 00:29:39,245 --> 00:29:41,981 They buried the fetus in the backyard. 608 00:29:42,015 --> 00:29:45,018 And not surprisingly, drug use escalated, 609 00:29:45,051 --> 00:29:47,354 and then she got involved in the late '60s 610 00:29:47,387 --> 00:29:49,222 in the hippie movement. 611 00:29:49,255 --> 00:29:51,424 That's when she met Catherine Share. 612 00:29:51,458 --> 00:29:53,460 ♪ ♪ 613 00:29:53,493 --> 00:29:55,295 - And I said, "I'm going back to this ranch," 614 00:29:55,328 --> 00:29:57,263 and I told her where it was. 615 00:29:57,297 --> 00:30:00,100 She'd be welcome there anytime. 616 00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:05,038 And she came to the ranch by herself three weeks later. 617 00:30:05,071 --> 00:30:08,041 [dramatic music] 618 00:30:08,074 --> 00:30:09,542 ♪ ♪ 619 00:30:21,554 --> 00:30:24,257 narrator: In the spring of 1969, 620 00:30:24,290 --> 00:30:27,460 Charles Manson would have the women take LSD 621 00:30:27,494 --> 00:30:30,530 and then reenact the crucifixion of Christ 622 00:30:30,563 --> 00:30:33,166 with him as the central figure. 623 00:30:33,199 --> 00:30:35,669 He had them take LSD trips together, 624 00:30:35,702 --> 00:30:38,138 and that made them even more reliant 625 00:30:38,171 --> 00:30:42,108 on each other and susceptible to him. 626 00:30:42,142 --> 00:30:44,678 [eerie music] 627 00:30:44,711 --> 00:30:48,381 - I had my first LSD trip with Charlie. 628 00:30:50,383 --> 00:30:53,420 And that was a mind blow. 629 00:30:53,453 --> 00:30:55,522 - LSD was an experience 630 00:30:55,555 --> 00:30:58,391 you didn't wanna have too often, 631 00:30:58,425 --> 00:31:01,194 because trying to take it too often 632 00:31:01,227 --> 00:31:04,597 was almost like trying to grab knowledge. 633 00:31:06,466 --> 00:31:09,302 - It seemed like a shortcut to enlightenment. 634 00:31:09,336 --> 00:31:12,505 It felt like you could see the universe. 635 00:31:12,539 --> 00:31:15,508 [tranquil music] 636 00:31:15,542 --> 00:31:16,609 ♪ ♪ 637 00:31:16,643 --> 00:31:18,111 - I was already an acidhead. 638 00:31:18,144 --> 00:31:19,479 By that time, I took so much 639 00:31:19,512 --> 00:31:21,581 that I lost who I was. 640 00:31:21,614 --> 00:31:25,418 I went around picking flowers and gave 'em to everybody, 641 00:31:25,452 --> 00:31:28,188 and I was just in this childlike state 642 00:31:28,221 --> 00:31:30,123 for a long time. 643 00:31:30,156 --> 00:31:33,226 ♪ ♪ 644 00:31:33,259 --> 00:31:35,628 - Charlie took me up on a big hill 645 00:31:35,662 --> 00:31:39,199 overlooking Los Angeles. 646 00:31:39,232 --> 00:31:42,335 And in my first LSD vision, 647 00:31:42,369 --> 00:31:45,472 I saw the whole city in flames, 648 00:31:45,505 --> 00:31:48,208 and I was laughing and laughing. 649 00:31:48,241 --> 00:31:51,611 It was a laughter that I've never experienced 650 00:31:51,644 --> 00:31:54,180 before or since. 651 00:31:54,214 --> 00:31:56,616 Later I asked Charlie, "What... what happened?" 652 00:31:56,649 --> 00:31:59,419 And he said he saw the whole thing. 653 00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:13,233 Narrator: LSD also allowed Manson to create 654 00:32:13,266 --> 00:32:16,202 a growing sense of fear within the group. 655 00:32:16,236 --> 00:32:18,304 He often had them take the drug together 656 00:32:18,338 --> 00:32:21,408 to create a communal sense of right and wrong 657 00:32:21,441 --> 00:32:24,144 dictated by him. 658 00:32:24,177 --> 00:32:26,646 - One of the things to make this kind of thing work 659 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,650 is, the outsiders have to be dangerous. 660 00:32:30,684 --> 00:32:32,519 You develop empathy 661 00:32:32,552 --> 00:32:35,321 for your brothers and sisters in the group, 662 00:32:35,355 --> 00:32:37,657 and then there's a threat from outside. 663 00:32:37,691 --> 00:32:39,559 Manson was so good at manipulating 664 00:32:39,592 --> 00:32:41,394 that feeling of threat. 665 00:32:41,428 --> 00:32:43,396 [foreboding music] 666 00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:46,733 - For a long time, Charlie talked about 667 00:32:46,766 --> 00:32:49,436 more esoteric kind of things. 668 00:32:51,538 --> 00:32:54,407 But after a while, he started talking about 669 00:32:54,441 --> 00:32:57,410 the fact that there was going to be a revolution. 670 00:32:57,444 --> 00:33:02,415 ♪ ♪ 671 00:33:02,449 --> 00:33:04,417 - There were so many different aspects 672 00:33:04,451 --> 00:33:06,553 to American culture then 673 00:33:06,586 --> 00:33:11,458 for what they considered to be the inevitable revolution. 674 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,729 There was the war in Vietnam. 675 00:33:15,762 --> 00:33:18,465 ♪ ♪ 676 00:33:18,498 --> 00:33:21,434 - There was, you know, lots of civil rights issues. 677 00:33:21,468 --> 00:33:26,506 - It's time now for us to say to these men 678 00:33:26,539 --> 00:33:29,442 that you have been foul with us. 679 00:33:30,543 --> 00:33:32,445 - Everybody talked about him. 680 00:33:32,479 --> 00:33:34,481 I mean, it was in music. 681 00:33:36,416 --> 00:33:38,385 - We weren't intending to participate. 682 00:33:38,418 --> 00:33:41,488 We wanted to get away from the cities 683 00:33:41,521 --> 00:33:45,692 and away from the anarchy. 684 00:33:45,725 --> 00:33:48,795 - We began to distrust. 685 00:33:48,828 --> 00:33:50,730 The police wouldn't protect us. 686 00:33:50,764 --> 00:33:53,867 The military wasn't gonna protect us. 687 00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:56,636 We had to count on each other. 688 00:33:59,773 --> 00:34:01,341 - You know, as time went on, 689 00:34:01,374 --> 00:34:02,776 he talked about it more and more, 690 00:34:02,809 --> 00:34:05,612 and he was just saying that it was gonna start. 691 00:34:05,645 --> 00:34:10,450 - Charles Manson isolated them from outside reality. 692 00:34:10,483 --> 00:34:12,352 They only had him to turn to. 693 00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:15,288 [suspenseful music] 694 00:34:15,321 --> 00:34:19,659 Manson, he's paranoid and he's losing his grip. 695 00:34:19,693 --> 00:34:21,628 - He came to me and said, 696 00:34:21,661 --> 00:34:23,730 "They might attack us at any time." 697 00:34:23,763 --> 00:34:27,300 - I'm afraid for my life, but on the other hand, 698 00:34:27,334 --> 00:34:29,369 I'm still looking for his approval. 699 00:34:29,402 --> 00:34:31,271 - If somebody's threatening their master, 700 00:34:31,304 --> 00:34:32,806 they're dangerous. 701 00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:41,580 [dramatic music] 702 00:34:43,516 --> 00:34:48,822 ♪ ♪ 703 00:34:48,855 --> 00:34:52,492 narrator: By 1969, the women had spent two years 704 00:34:52,525 --> 00:34:54,861 being brainwashed into total devotion 705 00:34:54,894 --> 00:34:56,696 to their leader. 706 00:34:56,730 --> 00:34:59,866 - They really had nothing except Charlie. 707 00:35:01,634 --> 00:35:03,169 They'd given up their names. 708 00:35:03,203 --> 00:35:04,537 They'd given up their families. 709 00:35:04,571 --> 00:35:06,339 They'd given up their identity. 710 00:35:06,373 --> 00:35:09,709 They'd given up their money. 711 00:35:09,743 --> 00:35:11,711 - He would say, "You can leave me, 712 00:35:11,745 --> 00:35:14,180 but no one will ever love you like I love you," 713 00:35:14,214 --> 00:35:16,883 or, "No one will ever love you, period." 714 00:35:16,916 --> 00:35:18,952 narrator: In the months leading up to the murders, 715 00:35:18,985 --> 00:35:21,588 Manson took a darker turn. 716 00:35:21,621 --> 00:35:25,692 He began to test the limits of his power. 717 00:35:25,725 --> 00:35:30,630 Being the youngest, Snake was the most vulnerable. 718 00:35:31,831 --> 00:35:34,668 - I don't think Dianne, at that time, 719 00:35:34,701 --> 00:35:37,704 would have thought that she was being abused, 720 00:35:37,737 --> 00:35:41,708 and she was living in a hippie cult. 721 00:35:41,741 --> 00:35:44,744 - I remember wanting Charlie to make love to me. 722 00:35:44,778 --> 00:35:47,647 I wanted him to make love to me like he could 723 00:35:47,681 --> 00:35:50,650 and that he had in the past. 724 00:35:51,785 --> 00:35:55,789 I think that just like people who get addicted to heroin, 725 00:35:55,822 --> 00:35:59,526 they're always trying to have that first high again, 726 00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:01,394 that's what it was for me. 727 00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:06,399 I wanted that initial feeling 728 00:36:06,433 --> 00:36:09,536 of being super special and super loved 729 00:36:09,569 --> 00:36:11,905 and, you know, like in the very beginning. 730 00:36:13,707 --> 00:36:16,876 And he took me down, you know, the road 731 00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:18,678 and took me into this little gypsy caravan 732 00:36:18,712 --> 00:36:20,747 and sodomized me, raped me, 733 00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:22,615 left me in tears and bleeding. 734 00:36:22,649 --> 00:36:23,993 And he said something to the effect of, 735 00:36:24,017 --> 00:36:25,985 "Well, that's the way we do it in prison." 736 00:36:26,019 --> 00:36:30,623 ♪ ♪ 737 00:36:30,657 --> 00:36:32,258 I don't know. 738 00:36:32,292 --> 00:36:34,561 It just was a really ugly... it was a really ugly 739 00:36:34,594 --> 00:36:35,895 side of him. 740 00:36:35,929 --> 00:36:37,039 I don't know how to describe it. 741 00:36:37,063 --> 00:36:38,665 I'm afraid for my life, 742 00:36:38,698 --> 00:36:40,033 but on the other hand, 743 00:36:40,066 --> 00:36:42,535 I'm still looking for his approval. 744 00:36:43,603 --> 00:36:45,538 Narrator: A month before the Manson Family's 745 00:36:45,572 --> 00:36:47,807 infamous murder spree, 746 00:36:47,841 --> 00:36:51,511 his power over the women escalated. 747 00:36:53,046 --> 00:36:55,682 He had been using a fear of outsiders 748 00:36:55,715 --> 00:36:57,484 to hold his group together. 749 00:36:57,517 --> 00:37:02,622 And on July 1, 1969, things got violent. 750 00:37:02,655 --> 00:37:04,057 [menacing music] 751 00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:05,759 - There was a bad drug deal, 752 00:37:05,792 --> 00:37:08,661 and Charlie shot a black man. 753 00:37:08,695 --> 00:37:09,763 [gunshot] 754 00:37:11,498 --> 00:37:13,266 So I was cooking one night. 755 00:37:14,668 --> 00:37:16,603 He came to me and said, 756 00:37:16,636 --> 00:37:18,772 "The Black Panthers know where we are, 757 00:37:18,805 --> 00:37:21,541 and they might attack us at any time." 758 00:37:21,574 --> 00:37:23,777 - The Black Panther Party for Self Defense believes 759 00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:25,845 that the time has come for black people 760 00:37:25,879 --> 00:37:27,981 to arm themselves against this terror, 761 00:37:28,014 --> 00:37:30,050 the terror of the white people, presumably, 762 00:37:30,083 --> 00:37:31,818 before it is too late. 763 00:37:31,851 --> 00:37:33,853 ♪ ♪ 764 00:37:33,887 --> 00:37:35,055 narrator: It wasn't politics 765 00:37:35,088 --> 00:37:36,890 that had Manson running scared. 766 00:37:36,923 --> 00:37:38,825 It was a drug deal gone wrong 767 00:37:38,858 --> 00:37:41,528 between Manson and a member of the Black Panthers 768 00:37:41,561 --> 00:37:43,897 that had him fearing retaliation. 769 00:37:45,098 --> 00:37:48,735 - To me, it was, "Well, it's started. 770 00:37:48,768 --> 00:37:51,771 The Black Panthers are starting the revolution." 771 00:37:51,805 --> 00:37:55,041 [indistinct chanting] 772 00:37:55,075 --> 00:37:56,810 - In Los Angeles, 773 00:37:56,843 --> 00:38:00,780 the Black Panthers and the police were killing 774 00:38:00,814 --> 00:38:02,615 each other, I guess. 775 00:38:02,649 --> 00:38:03,983 - There was all this activity. 776 00:38:04,017 --> 00:38:07,120 - I really, truly believed 777 00:38:07,153 --> 00:38:11,925 that my survival was going to be to stay with Charlie, 778 00:38:11,958 --> 00:38:14,828 'cause he knew how to maneuver all this. 779 00:38:15,895 --> 00:38:19,766 - Manson, he's paranoid, and he's losing his grip. 780 00:38:19,799 --> 00:38:22,869 - That's when Charlie asked Bobby if he would come 781 00:38:22,902 --> 00:38:25,839 and stay at the ranch and just protect the ranch. 782 00:38:25,872 --> 00:38:27,874 [ominous music] 783 00:38:27,907 --> 00:38:29,776 narrator: In order to protect himself 784 00:38:29,809 --> 00:38:32,545 from the Black Panthers, Manson invited 785 00:38:32,579 --> 00:38:35,382 a 21-year-old musician named Bobby Beausoleil 786 00:38:35,415 --> 00:38:38,651 to join the family at Spahn Ranch. 787 00:38:38,685 --> 00:38:42,055 To the women, recruiting Bobby was another sign 788 00:38:42,088 --> 00:38:46,059 that Manson was protecting them from a revolution. 789 00:38:46,092 --> 00:38:48,661 - He was a self-confident kid. 790 00:38:48,695 --> 00:38:51,097 He was wearing a top hat and a cape. 791 00:38:51,131 --> 00:38:54,034 He had run away when he was young. 792 00:38:54,067 --> 00:38:55,835 But he and Charlie were different, 793 00:38:55,869 --> 00:38:58,571 but they liked each other. 794 00:38:58,605 --> 00:39:00,807 They got a kick out of each other. 795 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,844 Narrator: Two weeks before the Tate-LaBianca murders, 796 00:39:04,878 --> 00:39:08,682 Bobby Beausoleil killed a man named Gary Hinman. 797 00:39:11,985 --> 00:39:13,687 - After we entered the home, 798 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:15,722 we saw signs of a struggle, 799 00:39:15,755 --> 00:39:17,924 and it appeared as though there had been 800 00:39:17,957 --> 00:39:20,060 some degree of violence. 801 00:39:20,093 --> 00:39:21,961 Narrator: Charles Manson and Bobby Beausoleil 802 00:39:21,995 --> 00:39:25,999 held Hinman hostage in a dispute over a drug deal. 803 00:39:26,032 --> 00:39:28,735 Beausoleil eventually killed Hinman 804 00:39:28,768 --> 00:39:30,737 and staged the crime scene to look like 805 00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:33,106 the Black Panthers committed the murder. 806 00:39:33,139 --> 00:39:35,742 The goal was to point the finger at someone 807 00:39:35,775 --> 00:39:37,977 other than Manson and his family. 808 00:39:38,011 --> 00:39:40,013 And since Manson was having a dispute 809 00:39:40,046 --> 00:39:41,815 with the Black Panthers, 810 00:39:41,848 --> 00:39:44,918 it seemed like they were the most obvious choice. 811 00:39:44,951 --> 00:39:48,221 - They put signs on the walls to indicate 812 00:39:48,254 --> 00:39:49,923 that it was a Black Panther. 813 00:39:53,126 --> 00:39:55,995 - At the Hinman murder, you have Beausoleil writing 814 00:39:56,029 --> 00:39:58,898 "political piggy" in Hinman's blood 815 00:39:58,932 --> 00:40:01,801 and then putting paw prints. 816 00:40:01,835 --> 00:40:03,136 - Clearly they were trying 817 00:40:03,169 --> 00:40:06,039 to point suspicion at the Black Panthers. 818 00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:08,875 Narrator: Bobby Beausoleil committing 819 00:40:08,908 --> 00:40:10,910 that first murder was a turning point 820 00:40:10,944 --> 00:40:13,146 for the women. 821 00:40:13,179 --> 00:40:16,182 Now they had to decide how far they were willing 822 00:40:16,216 --> 00:40:18,084 to go to defend the group 823 00:40:18,118 --> 00:40:21,254 and prove their commitment to Manson. 824 00:40:21,287 --> 00:40:24,190 - Whenever you have these so-called normal people 825 00:40:24,224 --> 00:40:27,093 doing these extraordinarily brutal things, 826 00:40:27,127 --> 00:40:31,765 it's a threat that has been usually manipulated. 827 00:40:31,798 --> 00:40:34,901 - Charlie told me that I had to be willing to kill 828 00:40:34,934 --> 00:40:38,705 in order to not be killed. 829 00:40:38,738 --> 00:40:40,073 Narrator: When Bobby Beausoleil 830 00:40:40,106 --> 00:40:42,876 was arrested, Manson had everything 831 00:40:42,909 --> 00:40:46,680 he needed to convince the family to kill for him. 832 00:40:47,814 --> 00:40:50,016 The women thought the revolution had begun. 833 00:40:50,050 --> 00:40:52,052 Their enemy was the Black Panthers, 834 00:40:52,085 --> 00:40:56,022 and now Bobby Beausoleil needed their help. 835 00:40:56,056 --> 00:40:58,191 ♪ ♪ 836 00:40:58,224 --> 00:41:01,027 - The catalyst for the murders 837 00:41:01,061 --> 00:41:04,531 was Bobby Beausoleil being arrested 838 00:41:04,564 --> 00:41:06,866 for the Hinman murder. 839 00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:10,236 Narrator: Manson had convinced them that they were at war. 840 00:41:11,971 --> 00:41:14,107 They planned a mission to kill more people 841 00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:17,844 to frame their enemies and free Bobby Beausoleil. 842 00:41:19,112 --> 00:41:20,914 - It's not a coincidence that they went out 843 00:41:20,947 --> 00:41:23,083 and committed those murders two days after learning 844 00:41:23,116 --> 00:41:25,185 that Bobby Beausoleil had been arrested. 845 00:41:25,218 --> 00:41:29,923 It was a copycat crime designed... poorly designed 846 00:41:29,956 --> 00:41:32,826 to make the authorities think that the killer of Gary Hinman 847 00:41:32,859 --> 00:41:34,794 was still at large and that they would thus 848 00:41:34,828 --> 00:41:37,997 release Bobby Beausoleil, which was kind of naive. 849 00:41:38,031 --> 00:41:41,234 - They were doing a job for Charlie. 850 00:41:41,267 --> 00:41:44,871 Pit bulls, they make wonderful, loyal dogs, 851 00:41:44,904 --> 00:41:47,107 and if somebody's threatening their master, 852 00:41:47,140 --> 00:41:48,842 they're dangerous. 853 00:41:48,875 --> 00:41:51,177 I think it explains some of what happened. 854 00:41:51,211 --> 00:41:55,148 - There was this extra energy about "Bobby's been arrested." 855 00:41:55,181 --> 00:41:58,284 - I wanted to ask Charlie, "What's going on with Bobby?" 856 00:41:58,318 --> 00:42:00,854 And he said, "He got arrested," 857 00:42:00,887 --> 00:42:02,922 and I said, "Well, is he in jail?" 858 00:42:02,956 --> 00:42:04,157 He goes, "Yeah, he's in jail," 859 00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:06,059 and I said, "Well, I'll go visit him. 860 00:42:06,092 --> 00:42:07,827 What jail is he in?" 861 00:42:07,861 --> 00:42:09,005 He goes, "I've got this covered. 862 00:42:09,029 --> 00:42:10,163 You stay out of it." 863 00:42:12,032 --> 00:42:14,134 narrator: Events had escalated quickly, 864 00:42:14,167 --> 00:42:18,238 and some would say Manson was completely unhinged. 865 00:42:19,272 --> 00:42:21,241 - It's power and anger 866 00:42:21,274 --> 00:42:23,343 he had at institutions. 867 00:42:23,376 --> 00:42:26,880 I think what's more important and more dangerous 868 00:42:26,913 --> 00:42:29,849 and has more implications for our world 869 00:42:29,883 --> 00:42:33,953 is his subjects, and that's scary. 870 00:42:33,987 --> 00:42:35,855 Because we'd like to think 871 00:42:35,889 --> 00:42:38,124 they're real different than us, and they aren't. 872 00:42:39,893 --> 00:42:43,363 - How can you put the finger at us 873 00:42:43,396 --> 00:42:47,200 and call us evil for being good soldiers 874 00:42:47,233 --> 00:42:49,903 and doing what needed to be done? 875 00:42:49,936 --> 00:42:52,272 [suspenseful music] 876 00:42:52,305 --> 00:42:55,008 - It's more frightening because it's women. 877 00:42:55,041 --> 00:42:58,978 - We got stopped and went to jail. 878 00:42:59,012 --> 00:43:01,381 It was that night that the murders happened. 879 00:43:01,414 --> 00:43:04,317 - Sharon Tate was 8 1/2 months pregnant. 880 00:43:04,351 --> 00:43:07,821 - Manson's influence over these women 881 00:43:07,854 --> 00:43:10,190 was so strong that they believed 882 00:43:10,223 --> 00:43:12,125 what they were doing was the right thing. 883 00:43:12,158 --> 00:43:15,362 They had depersonalized the victims. 884 00:43:15,395 --> 00:43:18,832 In that moment, a person has a conscious choice 885 00:43:18,865 --> 00:43:22,869 to do something that is so against human nature, 886 00:43:22,902 --> 00:43:25,038 to kill someone. 887 00:43:32,445 --> 00:43:33,445 [dramatic music] 888 00:43:35,382 --> 00:43:42,389 ♪ ♪ 889 00:43:45,025 --> 00:43:49,229 - I have very strong feelings about what... the women 890 00:43:49,262 --> 00:43:51,131 who committed the murders, 891 00:43:51,164 --> 00:43:54,267 but I also do believe that there's abuse involved 892 00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:58,171 and you act in a certain way 893 00:43:58,204 --> 00:44:01,341 that otherwise you would not act. 894 00:44:01,374 --> 00:44:03,309 Narrator: Over the course of two years, 895 00:44:03,343 --> 00:44:07,080 Charles Manson used fear and isolation to convince 896 00:44:07,113 --> 00:44:09,249 his followers that they were in danger 897 00:44:09,282 --> 00:44:13,053 and had to kill in order to defend themselves. 898 00:44:13,086 --> 00:44:16,289 The first group of people he chose to commit murder 899 00:44:16,322 --> 00:44:18,992 were family members Tex Watson, 900 00:44:19,025 --> 00:44:21,428 Patricia Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins, 901 00:44:21,461 --> 00:44:23,329 and Linda Kasabian. 902 00:44:25,465 --> 00:44:29,436 - Tex Watson, I mean, he was really the one 903 00:44:29,469 --> 00:44:32,038 who was the ringleader, if you will, 904 00:44:32,072 --> 00:44:34,474 of the most violent, horrendous murders. 905 00:44:34,507 --> 00:44:36,776 Tex had come from a very strict 906 00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:39,045 family upbringing back in Texas, 907 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,148 and I think he was happy to be out from under that thumb. 908 00:44:42,182 --> 00:44:45,518 And he just felt love, 909 00:44:45,552 --> 00:44:47,287 as he said all these years later, 910 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,456 love from Charlie, acceptance from Charlie. 911 00:44:49,489 --> 00:44:52,759 And he was sort of Charlie's wingman, 912 00:44:52,792 --> 00:44:54,994 for lack of better words. 913 00:44:56,529 --> 00:44:58,198 Narrator: Like Tex, 914 00:44:58,231 --> 00:45:00,200 Susan Atkins, nicknamed Sadie, 915 00:45:00,233 --> 00:45:04,070 was blinded by Manson's words of love and acceptance. 916 00:45:04,104 --> 00:45:06,106 She had been abandoned by her family 917 00:45:06,139 --> 00:45:07,774 at the age of 18. 918 00:45:09,075 --> 00:45:12,345 - Susan was quirky. 919 00:45:12,379 --> 00:45:15,982 Susan would irritate the hell out of you. 920 00:45:16,016 --> 00:45:18,985 - I willingly got into something 921 00:45:19,019 --> 00:45:21,821 that completely took control over me. 922 00:45:21,855 --> 00:45:25,091 You take away a person's conscience 923 00:45:25,125 --> 00:45:27,527 of right and wrong by telling them 924 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,499 when they're under LSD or any mind-expanding drug, 925 00:45:32,532 --> 00:45:35,001 "There's no such thing as guilt." 926 00:45:36,369 --> 00:45:40,840 - Charlie, he would hold our fingers over candle flames 927 00:45:40,874 --> 00:45:44,177 and tell us that it's just... you know, 928 00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:47,013 it's all in our head that that hurts. 929 00:45:47,047 --> 00:45:49,258 - You don't like the feeling of guilt, so it's easy to say, 930 00:45:49,282 --> 00:45:50,850 "Yeah, there's no such thing as guilt. 931 00:45:50,884 --> 00:45:52,561 "I'll believe there's no such thing as guilt. 932 00:45:52,585 --> 00:45:56,289 Therefore I can do anything and not feel guilty about it." 933 00:45:58,158 --> 00:46:00,860 [solemn music] 934 00:46:00,894 --> 00:46:04,497 - I've come to the realization that they really... 935 00:46:04,531 --> 00:46:06,866 they really believed hook, line, and sinker 936 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:11,171 that death didn't mean anything. 937 00:46:11,204 --> 00:46:13,139 Narrator: Like many of the other women, 938 00:46:13,173 --> 00:46:15,542 Patricia Krenwinkel, nicknamed Katie, 939 00:46:15,575 --> 00:46:18,111 grew up feeling like an outsider. 940 00:46:18,144 --> 00:46:20,847 - Patty Krenwinkel, really of all the girls, 941 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,484 I think the most dramatic difference, 942 00:46:24,517 --> 00:46:27,153 that she of all the girls 943 00:46:27,187 --> 00:46:30,290 could have committed murders. 944 00:46:30,323 --> 00:46:34,394 ♪ ♪ 945 00:46:34,427 --> 00:46:37,530 - Pat was working for an insurance company. 946 00:46:37,564 --> 00:46:40,433 She was tired of that. 947 00:46:42,469 --> 00:46:45,372 She'd walk along the beach, and she'd imagine 948 00:46:45,405 --> 00:46:48,174 just walking off into the water. 949 00:46:48,208 --> 00:46:53,646 ♪ ♪ 950 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,118 Her sister was a heroin addict. 951 00:46:58,151 --> 00:47:01,254 Her parents had divorced. 952 00:47:01,287 --> 00:47:05,658 She had everything but a feeling of home, 953 00:47:05,692 --> 00:47:07,594 you know. 954 00:47:07,627 --> 00:47:10,196 - As a child, she was teased 955 00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:14,200 and she wasn't treated well and she just didn't fit in. 956 00:47:14,234 --> 00:47:17,337 ♪ ♪ 957 00:47:20,407 --> 00:47:23,143 narrator: Linda Kasabian was a young single mother 958 00:47:23,176 --> 00:47:25,412 who was homeless and joined the group 959 00:47:25,445 --> 00:47:28,581 a month before the Tate-LaBianca murders. 960 00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:33,620 - Linda Kasabian joined the group. 961 00:47:33,653 --> 00:47:35,522 She was just lost. 962 00:47:43,163 --> 00:47:46,132 [ominous music] 963 00:47:46,166 --> 00:47:53,173 ♪ ♪ 964 00:47:53,973 --> 00:47:57,243 - I had been on the ranch. It was really, really hot. 965 00:47:58,978 --> 00:48:01,314 I had just taken a nice cold shower, 966 00:48:01,348 --> 00:48:04,517 and I was like, "I would like to get away from the heat." 967 00:48:04,551 --> 00:48:06,252 narrator: In the meantime, 968 00:48:06,286 --> 00:48:08,421 Blue and another woman from the group 969 00:48:08,455 --> 00:48:12,525 had just been arrested for using stolen credit cards. 970 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:16,663 - We got stopped and ditched the credit cards 971 00:48:16,696 --> 00:48:19,666 and went to jail. 972 00:48:19,699 --> 00:48:22,736 I think it was that night that the murders happened. 973 00:48:22,769 --> 00:48:25,205 Narrator: On the night Sharon Tate and her friends 974 00:48:25,238 --> 00:48:26,339 were murdered, 975 00:48:26,373 --> 00:48:27,741 Manson spoke to Tex, Patricia, 976 00:48:27,774 --> 00:48:30,310 Sadie, and Linda but was careful 977 00:48:30,343 --> 00:48:33,413 not to give them explicit instructions. 978 00:48:33,446 --> 00:48:36,216 - Charlie said different things to different people 979 00:48:36,249 --> 00:48:37,984 depending on who they were 980 00:48:38,018 --> 00:48:40,387 to get the effect that he wanted. 981 00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:44,324 - He made each one feel like the special one, 982 00:48:44,357 --> 00:48:47,560 and that was just a manipulation tactic. 983 00:48:47,594 --> 00:48:50,196 This is how pimps control their women. 984 00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:55,368 - Manson did evidently say, "Do what has to be done." 985 00:48:55,402 --> 00:48:59,739 - I mean, people think that the murders 986 00:48:59,773 --> 00:49:03,209 were committed by people who were bloodthirsty. 987 00:49:03,243 --> 00:49:05,245 They were not. 988 00:49:05,278 --> 00:49:07,280 They weren't bloodthirsty. 989 00:49:07,313 --> 00:49:09,516 They were doing whatever they had to do. 990 00:49:09,549 --> 00:49:12,585 - War is not murder. 991 00:49:12,619 --> 00:49:15,588 [tense music] 992 00:49:15,622 --> 00:49:20,427 ♪ ♪ 993 00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:23,463 - There are many theories as to why the group went 994 00:49:23,496 --> 00:49:27,300 to the Tate estate and that house on that night. 995 00:49:27,334 --> 00:49:30,303 ♪ ♪ 996 00:49:30,337 --> 00:49:32,739 A lot of people are convinced it had to do with 997 00:49:32,772 --> 00:49:37,344 Manson's music being rejected by Terry Melcher, 998 00:49:37,377 --> 00:49:39,412 who had lived in that house. 999 00:49:39,446 --> 00:49:41,548 I don't believe the women knew that 1000 00:49:41,581 --> 00:49:46,286 and I doubt that Manson knew who Sharon Tate was. 1001 00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:49,723 She was just really pretty, a very talented actress, 1002 00:49:49,756 --> 00:49:52,425 and people really loved her. 1003 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,563 - They had Tex as their pseudo-leader 1004 00:49:56,596 --> 00:49:59,366 telling them, "Follow through with this, 1005 00:49:59,399 --> 00:50:01,735 and I'll be there to help make sure you get it done." 1006 00:50:01,768 --> 00:50:04,371 ♪ ♪ 1007 00:50:21,121 --> 00:50:23,356 narrator: Steven Parent was a teenager 1008 00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:25,492 who happened to be leaving the property 1009 00:50:25,525 --> 00:50:29,696 at the same time the killers were walking up the driveway. 1010 00:50:30,797 --> 00:50:33,833 - Watson shot him four times at point-blank range. 1011 00:50:35,769 --> 00:50:36,803 [gunshot] 1012 00:50:36,836 --> 00:50:40,473 ♪ ♪ 1013 00:50:40,507 --> 00:50:44,411 - Steve Parent was absolutely the definition 1014 00:50:44,444 --> 00:50:46,813 of the kid in the wrong place at the wrong time, 1015 00:50:46,846 --> 00:50:48,415 just assassinated. 1016 00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:54,387 - When they got to the house, 1017 00:50:54,421 --> 00:50:56,790 Frykowski was asleep on the front sofa. 1018 00:50:57,724 --> 00:50:59,492 Narrator: Wojciech Frykowski was 1019 00:50:59,526 --> 00:51:02,429 Sharon Tate's houseguest who had fallen asleep 1020 00:51:02,462 --> 00:51:04,898 in the living room. 1021 00:51:04,931 --> 00:51:07,634 - Krenwinkel and Atkins went through looking 1022 00:51:07,667 --> 00:51:09,436 for other people in the house. 1023 00:51:09,469 --> 00:51:12,439 [sinister music] 1024 00:51:12,472 --> 00:51:15,442 ♪ ♪ 1025 00:51:15,475 --> 00:51:19,779 They walked past Folger, who was in bed reading. 1026 00:51:21,581 --> 00:51:23,616 Narrator: Abigail Folger, the heiress 1027 00:51:23,650 --> 00:51:25,452 to the Folgers Coffee fortune, 1028 00:51:25,485 --> 00:51:27,854 was also staying at the house. 1029 00:51:27,887 --> 00:51:31,424 - Sharon Tate was in bed, 1030 00:51:31,458 --> 00:51:35,495 and on the foot of her bed was Jay Sebring. 1031 00:51:35,528 --> 00:51:38,465 Narrator: Jay Sebring was a celebrity hairstylist 1032 00:51:38,498 --> 00:51:41,534 and Sharon Tate's closest friend. 1033 00:52:01,921 --> 00:52:04,891 [malevolent music] 1034 00:52:04,924 --> 00:52:08,862 ♪ ♪ 1035 00:52:08,895 --> 00:52:11,931 - And Sharon Tate was 8 1/2 months pregnant. 1036 00:52:13,933 --> 00:52:17,470 Watson tied this long rope he had... 1037 00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,509 One end around Sebring's neck. 1038 00:52:22,542 --> 00:52:24,411 He threw it over the high beam 1039 00:52:24,444 --> 00:52:27,514 and tied the other end around Sharon Tate's neck. 1040 00:52:27,547 --> 00:52:28,915 [distorted scream] 1041 00:52:28,948 --> 00:52:30,650 Watson took his gun 1042 00:52:30,684 --> 00:52:34,888 and smashed Sebring in the face 1043 00:52:34,921 --> 00:52:39,926 and stabbed him and shot him, 1044 00:52:39,959 --> 00:52:40,927 killing him. 1045 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,529 [gunshot] 1046 00:52:51,571 --> 00:52:54,741 - Abigail Folger ran out of the back of the house, 1047 00:52:54,774 --> 00:52:57,744 Krenwinkel chasing her with an upraised knife, 1048 00:52:57,777 --> 00:53:02,649 finally catching her on the front lawn. 1049 00:53:02,682 --> 00:53:07,287 Frykowski got out, Watson chasing him 1050 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,889 with a knife and a gun, 1051 00:53:09,923 --> 00:53:12,258 catching him in the front yard. 1052 00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:46,793 - Sharon Tate is about to give birth, 1053 00:53:46,826 --> 00:53:51,031 and she's faced with this murderer. 1054 00:53:51,064 --> 00:53:54,067 And all she wants to do is, 1055 00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:57,337 "Please save my child." 1056 00:53:57,370 --> 00:54:00,740 And she begs, "Just let me have my child. 1057 00:54:00,774 --> 00:54:02,709 Please let me have my baby." 1058 00:54:04,711 --> 00:54:07,647 - Atkins said, "Look, bitch, 1059 00:54:07,681 --> 00:54:10,617 "I don't care about you or your baby. 1060 00:54:10,650 --> 00:54:13,353 "You're gonna die, and you better be ready for it, 1061 00:54:13,386 --> 00:54:15,055 and I don't feel a thing about it." 1062 00:54:23,730 --> 00:54:24,730 [dramatic music] 1063 00:54:26,666 --> 00:54:30,070 ♪ ♪ 1064 00:54:30,103 --> 00:54:34,407 - It's so hard to believe a woman could have 1065 00:54:34,441 --> 00:54:38,411 these up-close, personal, intimate murders 1066 00:54:38,445 --> 00:54:40,413 and not feel anything. 1067 00:54:40,447 --> 00:54:44,584 - It must have been so absolutely horrifying. 1068 00:54:44,617 --> 00:54:48,121 To think Sharon Tate is about to give birth, 1069 00:54:48,154 --> 00:54:52,992 and she's faced with this murderer. 1070 00:54:53,026 --> 00:54:56,129 [menacing music] 1071 00:54:56,162 --> 00:55:00,667 She's laughed at before she's killed 1072 00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:03,970 and that knife is plunged into her belly. 1073 00:55:04,004 --> 00:55:07,674 I mean, I don't think we can imagine it. 1074 00:55:07,707 --> 00:55:10,377 I don't think we can put ourselves there. 1075 00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:12,379 I just don't think we can. 1076 00:55:12,412 --> 00:55:14,681 The horror that she must have felt... 1077 00:55:31,064 --> 00:55:35,402 - Susan talked about thinking about cutting out 1078 00:55:35,435 --> 00:55:38,872 Sharon Tate's baby and saving it. 1079 00:55:38,905 --> 00:55:42,742 It's just... I have no idea 1080 00:55:42,776 --> 00:55:44,144 how they could have done that. 1081 00:55:55,188 --> 00:55:56,990 [tense music] 1082 00:55:57,023 --> 00:55:59,025 - Atkins got a towel 1083 00:55:59,059 --> 00:56:01,194 and dipped it in Sharon Tate's blood 1084 00:56:01,227 --> 00:56:03,496 and went out and wrote the word "pig" 1085 00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:04,831 on the front door. 1086 00:56:04,864 --> 00:56:08,768 ♪ ♪ 1087 00:56:08,802 --> 00:56:12,038 - They felt what they did was right. 1088 00:56:12,072 --> 00:56:14,207 If I ever had to, 1089 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:19,913 I hoped that I could be that fierce. 1090 00:56:19,946 --> 00:56:22,882 - You want to talk about devils and demonic 1091 00:56:22,916 --> 00:56:27,687 and immoral and evil, go to Hollywood. 1092 00:56:27,721 --> 00:56:31,858 We don't touch the rotten horribleness of that world, 1093 00:56:31,891 --> 00:56:33,927 don't even skim it. 1094 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,463 However, we did skim it. 1095 00:56:38,064 --> 00:56:41,134 Yeah, yeah, we touched it... 1096 00:56:41,167 --> 00:56:42,702 touched it. 1097 00:56:42,736 --> 00:56:44,904 It needed to be touched. 1098 00:56:44,938 --> 00:56:49,209 ♪ ♪ 1099 00:56:49,242 --> 00:56:51,144 - Friday night in Los Angeles, 1100 00:56:51,177 --> 00:56:54,147 a movie actress and four of her friends were murdered, 1101 00:56:54,180 --> 00:56:56,850 and the circumstances were lurid. 1102 00:56:58,518 --> 00:57:00,186 Narrator: The day after the murders, 1103 00:57:00,220 --> 00:57:03,223 the women who had participated kept to themselves 1104 00:57:03,256 --> 00:57:05,825 under strict instructions from Manson 1105 00:57:05,859 --> 00:57:08,495 not to talk about what happened. 1106 00:57:08,528 --> 00:57:11,264 - I didn't know what really happened, 1107 00:57:11,297 --> 00:57:14,501 and Charlie, by that time, 1108 00:57:14,534 --> 00:57:17,137 was using his need-to-know basis. 1109 00:57:17,170 --> 00:57:18,905 You know, you talk to the people 1110 00:57:18,938 --> 00:57:20,206 that need to know 1111 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,076 and only the people that need to know. 1112 00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:26,112 Narrator: Five brutal murders had already occurred, 1113 00:57:26,146 --> 00:57:29,282 but the next day, Manson was ready for more. 1114 00:57:29,315 --> 00:57:30,984 He convinced the group 1115 00:57:31,017 --> 00:57:33,119 that the revolution was escalating 1116 00:57:33,153 --> 00:57:37,257 and their part was far from over. 1117 00:57:37,290 --> 00:57:40,226 In this interview from 1969, 1118 00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:45,165 Leslie Van Houten explained how Manson primed her to kill. 1119 00:57:45,198 --> 00:57:48,068 [somber music] 1120 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,964 - I still cannot believe that, you know, 1121 00:58:17,997 --> 00:58:20,834 she allowed Charlie to manipulate her 1122 00:58:20,867 --> 00:58:24,938 to that extent that she would actually murder for him. 1123 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,975 I don't know how she could have gotten 1124 00:58:29,009 --> 00:58:30,276 to that point. 1125 00:58:36,850 --> 00:58:40,153 ♪ ♪ 1126 00:58:40,186 --> 00:58:43,056 - It was kill or be killed. 1127 00:58:43,089 --> 00:58:45,225 That was what drove them on. 1128 00:58:48,161 --> 00:58:50,630 It's that feeling of threat from the outside, 1129 00:58:50,663 --> 00:58:53,133 and Manson was so good at manipulating. 1130 00:58:54,401 --> 00:58:56,336 - How do we look at these people 1131 00:58:56,369 --> 00:59:00,073 who commit certain types of crimes under this duress 1132 00:59:00,106 --> 00:59:02,976 of being undue influence of someone else. 1133 00:59:12,252 --> 00:59:15,355 - In that moment, a person has a choice 1134 00:59:15,388 --> 00:59:18,191 to do a good thing or a bad thing. 1135 00:59:18,224 --> 00:59:21,127 When you are making a conscious choice 1136 00:59:21,161 --> 00:59:23,396 to kill someone, 1137 00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:26,700 you are faced with consequences. 1138 00:59:26,733 --> 00:59:29,703 [lively music] 1139 00:59:29,736 --> 00:59:33,206 ♪ ♪ 1140 00:59:33,239 --> 00:59:35,008 - They drove around that night 1141 00:59:35,041 --> 00:59:39,045 looking for a house to hit, basically. 1142 00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:40,280 And Charlie had looked 1143 00:59:40,313 --> 00:59:42,082 at a couple of different houses. 1144 00:59:42,115 --> 00:59:44,384 ♪ ♪ 1145 00:59:44,417 --> 00:59:46,653 - They went to Waverly Drive, 1146 00:59:46,686 --> 00:59:52,158 and some of the girls had been to the house next door before. 1147 00:59:54,994 --> 00:59:56,429 Narrator: It was time for a second 1148 00:59:56,463 --> 01:00:00,133 lethal home invasion. 1149 01:00:00,166 --> 01:00:02,202 This time, the group broke into the home 1150 01:00:02,235 --> 01:00:06,206 of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca. 1151 01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,976 - The LaBiancas were really nice people. 1152 01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:14,047 Leno was a corporate executive, 1153 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,350 and Rosemary had been a waitress. 1154 01:00:17,384 --> 01:00:21,354 And he met her at a restaurant and fell in love with her. 1155 01:00:23,423 --> 01:00:25,125 Narrator: The three family members 1156 01:00:25,158 --> 01:00:27,193 who were chosen to kill the LaBiancas 1157 01:00:27,227 --> 01:00:28,928 on the night of August 10th 1158 01:00:28,962 --> 01:00:31,164 were Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel, 1159 01:00:31,197 --> 01:00:34,034 and, for the first time, Leslie Van Houten. 1160 01:00:34,067 --> 01:00:37,037 [eerie music] 1161 01:00:37,070 --> 01:00:39,372 ♪ ♪ 1162 01:00:39,406 --> 01:00:42,175 - When they went in, Krenwinkel immediately went 1163 01:00:42,208 --> 01:00:44,778 to the kitchen to get kitchen knives 1164 01:00:44,811 --> 01:00:46,980 for herself and Van Houten. 1165 01:00:47,013 --> 01:00:49,349 ♪ ♪ 1166 01:00:49,382 --> 01:00:54,120 Van Houten and Krenwinkel took Rosemary into the bedroom. 1167 01:00:55,221 --> 01:00:58,058 And Van Houten unplugged a lamp 1168 01:00:58,091 --> 01:01:00,994 that was on the table next to the bed... 1169 01:01:03,196 --> 01:01:07,000 And put a pillowcase over Rosemary's head 1170 01:01:07,033 --> 01:01:09,769 and then wrapped the lamp cord around her neck. 1171 01:01:11,271 --> 01:01:14,307 Rosemary heard Leno getting stabbed to death 1172 01:01:14,341 --> 01:01:20,080 in the living room and she got a sudden burst of energy 1173 01:01:20,113 --> 01:01:24,184 and rose up from the bed and screamed out, 1174 01:01:24,217 --> 01:01:25,352 "Leno, Leno!" 1175 01:01:25,385 --> 01:01:32,292 ♪ ♪ 1176 01:01:32,325 --> 01:01:34,494 - I mean, I've looked at a lot of crime scene photos, 1177 01:01:34,527 --> 01:01:37,530 and these are just the most horrific. 1178 01:01:37,564 --> 01:01:39,532 ♪ ♪ 1179 01:01:39,566 --> 01:01:41,434 - Krenwinkel wrote "death to pigs" 1180 01:01:41,468 --> 01:01:45,772 and on the refrigerator wrote "helter skelter." 1181 01:01:45,805 --> 01:01:48,508 - Tex, he had newspaper, and he slapped it, 1182 01:01:48,541 --> 01:01:52,512 and he said, "I did this. Charlie told me to." 1183 01:01:52,545 --> 01:01:55,348 - I wasn't ready for killing. 1184 01:01:55,382 --> 01:01:59,119 I hoped that if I needed to, I would. 1185 01:02:06,526 --> 01:02:07,526 [dramatic music] 1186 01:02:09,462 --> 01:02:16,436 ♪ ♪ 1187 01:02:16,469 --> 01:02:19,572 - I mean, I've looked at a lot of crime scene photos 1188 01:02:19,606 --> 01:02:21,574 as a federal prosecutor, 1189 01:02:21,608 --> 01:02:25,345 and these are just the most horrific. 1190 01:02:25,378 --> 01:02:29,315 And it's hard to imagine that the people 1191 01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:33,253 who are responsible for them are these young 1192 01:02:33,286 --> 01:02:36,423 sort of flighty young women, 1193 01:02:36,456 --> 01:02:39,893 but that's the reality. 1194 01:02:39,926 --> 01:02:43,263 Those are the murderers right there. 1195 01:02:44,330 --> 01:02:46,199 Narrator: On the night of August 10th, 1196 01:02:46,232 --> 01:02:49,169 the Manson Family broke into a second affluent home, 1197 01:02:49,202 --> 01:02:51,938 this time slaughtering husband and wife 1198 01:02:51,971 --> 01:02:55,108 Leno and Rosemary LaBianca. 1199 01:02:57,177 --> 01:02:59,879 - The thing that I have the hardest time with 1200 01:02:59,913 --> 01:03:03,116 with the LaBiancas' murders was 1201 01:03:03,149 --> 01:03:05,885 Mrs. LaBianca hearing her husband being killed 1202 01:03:05,919 --> 01:03:07,554 in the next room. 1203 01:03:07,587 --> 01:03:10,557 [harrowing music] 1204 01:03:10,590 --> 01:03:11,624 ♪ ♪ 1205 01:03:11,658 --> 01:03:13,326 - Watson came in, 1206 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,129 and then Watson and Van Houten proceeded 1207 01:03:16,162 --> 01:03:18,898 to stab Rosemary LaBianca to death. 1208 01:03:18,932 --> 01:03:22,936 ♪ ♪ 1209 01:03:46,526 --> 01:03:49,496 [chilling music] 1210 01:03:49,529 --> 01:03:50,997 ♪ ♪ 1211 01:03:51,031 --> 01:03:54,501 - It's far more brutal and gratuitous. 1212 01:03:54,534 --> 01:03:57,570 It's vicious, even... almost more vicious. 1213 01:03:59,439 --> 01:04:02,409 - Krenwinkel went into the LaBiancas' living room. 1214 01:04:02,442 --> 01:04:06,212 She took the tines of a carving fork 1215 01:04:06,246 --> 01:04:10,984 and plunged it into his abdomen 1216 01:04:11,017 --> 01:04:14,688 and wrote in big letters the word "war," 1217 01:04:14,721 --> 01:04:19,292 W-A-R, etched into his abdomen. 1218 01:04:22,629 --> 01:04:25,598 [unsettling music] 1219 01:04:25,632 --> 01:04:27,500 ♪ ♪ 1220 01:04:27,534 --> 01:04:30,704 Krenwinkel, above the inside part of the front door, 1221 01:04:30,737 --> 01:04:34,274 she wrote the wrote the word "rise" in big letters 1222 01:04:34,307 --> 01:04:35,575 and on the living room wall 1223 01:04:35,608 --> 01:04:38,411 in big letters wrote "death to pigs" 1224 01:04:38,445 --> 01:04:40,714 and the refrigerator wrote 1225 01:04:40,747 --> 01:04:45,285 "helter skelter," but she misspelled "helter." 1226 01:04:46,252 --> 01:04:49,522 Leslie took coins, and when she got back 1227 01:04:49,556 --> 01:04:53,059 to the Spahn Ranch, she went to a backhouse. 1228 01:04:53,093 --> 01:04:55,695 And the first thing that Leslie did was, 1229 01:04:55,729 --> 01:04:58,264 she went out and collected firewood. 1230 01:04:58,298 --> 01:05:02,035 ♪ ♪ 1231 01:05:02,068 --> 01:05:05,438 - I had woke up to find Leslie burning stuff. 1232 01:05:05,472 --> 01:05:08,742 ♪ ♪ 1233 01:05:08,775 --> 01:05:11,544 She gave me a bag with some coins in it, 1234 01:05:11,578 --> 01:05:13,613 you know, for candy. 1235 01:05:13,646 --> 01:05:15,348 They weren't acting weird. 1236 01:05:15,382 --> 01:05:18,651 They were just kind of matter of fact. 1237 01:05:18,685 --> 01:05:21,354 I knew that they'd gone out on some of these 1238 01:05:21,388 --> 01:05:24,724 creepy-crawly missions where they dressed in black 1239 01:05:24,758 --> 01:05:26,993 and they would sneak into people's homes 1240 01:05:27,027 --> 01:05:29,095 and rearrange stuff. 1241 01:05:29,129 --> 01:05:32,365 And I thought that that was just some stuff 1242 01:05:32,399 --> 01:05:34,701 that, you know, she had acquired through that. 1243 01:05:34,734 --> 01:05:37,704 [dramatic music] 1244 01:05:37,737 --> 01:05:42,275 ♪ ♪ 1245 01:05:42,308 --> 01:05:44,010 - We were an innocent country, 1246 01:05:44,044 --> 01:05:48,515 and what Charlie Manson and the family did 1247 01:05:48,548 --> 01:05:53,286 those two nights... 1248 01:05:53,319 --> 01:05:55,488 really changed American culture. 1249 01:05:55,522 --> 01:05:57,624 People who didn't have alarm systems 1250 01:05:57,657 --> 01:05:59,325 went out and got them. 1251 01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:01,027 I mean, moms who hadn't before 1252 01:06:01,061 --> 01:06:02,529 walked their kids to school 1253 01:06:02,562 --> 01:06:04,998 started walking their kids to school. 1254 01:06:06,633 --> 01:06:09,102 Narrator: In the days following the murders, 1255 01:06:09,135 --> 01:06:13,406 word began to circulate around Spahn Ranch. 1256 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,309 The women who had been following Charles Manson 1257 01:06:16,343 --> 01:06:19,379 learned that their brothers and sisters had committed 1258 01:06:19,412 --> 01:06:21,481 brutal acts of violence. 1259 01:06:21,514 --> 01:06:23,750 - Leno LaBianca, supermarket owner, 1260 01:06:23,783 --> 01:06:26,586 and his wife had both been stabbed to death 1261 01:06:26,619 --> 01:06:28,388 in their home. 1262 01:06:28,421 --> 01:06:29,465 Narrator: On the day of the Tate murders, 1263 01:06:29,489 --> 01:06:30,690 Blue was arrested 1264 01:06:30,724 --> 01:06:32,726 for using stolen credit cards. 1265 01:06:32,759 --> 01:06:35,428 When she was released a few days later, 1266 01:06:35,462 --> 01:06:37,797 she learned that members of the family 1267 01:06:37,831 --> 01:06:39,733 had killed seven people. 1268 01:06:39,766 --> 01:06:42,068 - I was in jail for a couple days, 1269 01:06:42,102 --> 01:06:43,536 got released. 1270 01:06:43,570 --> 01:06:46,373 I hitchhiked back from jail by myself, 1271 01:06:46,406 --> 01:06:49,709 got an ice cream cone, got off at the ranch. 1272 01:06:49,743 --> 01:06:52,579 Sadie couldn't wait to spill her story. 1273 01:06:54,481 --> 01:06:56,750 Just because a person kills 1274 01:06:56,783 --> 01:07:00,587 does not make them evil and bad. 1275 01:07:00,620 --> 01:07:04,457 I knew these were warm, good... 1276 01:07:04,491 --> 01:07:09,696 I mean, Katie was one of the most warm, gracious, 1277 01:07:09,729 --> 01:07:13,500 hospitable people I've ever met. 1278 01:07:14,634 --> 01:07:16,803 - These two crimes this weekend 1279 01:07:16,836 --> 01:07:19,406 so grotesquely similar. 1280 01:07:19,439 --> 01:07:21,641 - Tex, he had newspaper in his hand, 1281 01:07:21,675 --> 01:07:25,845 and it had the headlines, the Tate-LaBianca murders, 1282 01:07:25,879 --> 01:07:29,482 and a big headline, and he slapped it, and he said, 1283 01:07:29,516 --> 01:07:33,453 "I did this," and, "Charlie told me to." 1284 01:07:33,486 --> 01:07:36,156 And so I think I read a little bit about it, 1285 01:07:36,189 --> 01:07:38,625 and it was just, like, shocking. 1286 01:07:38,658 --> 01:07:42,696 I was totally traumatized from then on and scared. 1287 01:07:42,729 --> 01:07:45,699 [dispiriting music] 1288 01:07:45,732 --> 01:07:47,701 ♪ ♪ 1289 01:07:47,734 --> 01:07:50,637 - The services for Ms. Tate, a remarkably pretty actress 1290 01:07:50,670 --> 01:07:52,405 who was about to become a mother, 1291 01:07:52,439 --> 01:07:54,641 were held in West Los Angeles. 1292 01:07:54,674 --> 01:07:56,876 ♪ ♪ 1293 01:07:56,910 --> 01:08:01,614 - I didn't... I didn't feel... 1294 01:08:01,648 --> 01:08:04,918 bad that these people were dead. 1295 01:08:04,951 --> 01:08:07,220 I didn't even know they were alive. 1296 01:08:07,253 --> 01:08:10,256 But as far as killing goes, 1297 01:08:10,290 --> 01:08:12,826 I wasn't ready for killing. 1298 01:08:12,859 --> 01:08:16,663 I hoped that if I needed to, I would. 1299 01:08:16,696 --> 01:08:19,199 ♪ ♪ 1300 01:08:19,232 --> 01:08:21,735 - I feel very, very sad for the victims. 1301 01:08:21,768 --> 01:08:25,638 I can't... I can't... I was so shut down during that time 1302 01:08:25,672 --> 01:08:27,540 that I can't... it's just horrible. 1303 01:08:27,574 --> 01:08:31,745 I mean, just... I mean... 1304 01:08:31,778 --> 01:08:35,682 I just can't imagine... 1305 01:08:35,715 --> 01:08:39,452 how horrible their family feels and everything. 1306 01:08:39,486 --> 01:08:41,855 You know, I feel very sad for them. 1307 01:08:41,888 --> 01:08:44,524 And I also feel sad for the young people 1308 01:08:44,557 --> 01:08:48,695 that were turned into murderers. 1309 01:08:50,530 --> 01:08:54,768 - You can't excuse somebody, then, for going into the home 1310 01:08:54,801 --> 01:08:58,672 and brutally murdering another human being. 1311 01:08:58,705 --> 01:08:59,906 You can't excuse it by saying, 1312 01:08:59,939 --> 01:09:01,808 "Oh, well, they were brainwashed." 1313 01:09:01,841 --> 01:09:03,677 I'm sorry, that doesn't excuse you. 1314 01:09:03,710 --> 01:09:05,578 They still committed the murder. 1315 01:09:08,915 --> 01:09:11,317 [suspenseful music] 1316 01:09:11,351 --> 01:09:13,987 The women, they didn't show any remorse. 1317 01:09:14,020 --> 01:09:15,955 I mean, they just doubled down. 1318 01:09:15,989 --> 01:09:17,857 How frightening is that? 1319 01:09:17,891 --> 01:09:19,926 - I stood up and said, 1320 01:09:19,959 --> 01:09:21,895 "This court is a mockery of justice." 1321 01:09:21,928 --> 01:09:23,596 - We were afraid that the Manson Family 1322 01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:25,965 was going to get us. 1323 01:09:25,999 --> 01:09:28,635 - That was absolutely terrifying. 1324 01:09:28,668 --> 01:09:30,804 - I was holding this huge gun, 1325 01:09:30,837 --> 01:09:34,541 and then I said to myself, 1326 01:09:34,574 --> 01:09:35,942 "Are you gonna shoot him?" 1327 01:09:43,717 --> 01:09:44,717 [dramatic music] 1328 01:09:46,653 --> 01:09:51,791 ♪ ♪ 1329 01:09:51,825 --> 01:09:54,861 narrator: One month after the Tate and LaBianca murders, 1330 01:09:54,894 --> 01:09:57,263 the women of the Manson Family were dealing 1331 01:09:57,297 --> 01:10:00,667 with the aftermath, worried that authorities 1332 01:10:00,700 --> 01:10:02,969 could find them at any moment. 1333 01:10:03,003 --> 01:10:07,407 - There was this whole different kind of energy, 1334 01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:09,976 and it didn't feel good. 1335 01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:12,946 Narrator: Manson was now immersed in paranoia 1336 01:10:12,979 --> 01:10:15,582 and made the decision to move the family 1337 01:10:15,615 --> 01:10:17,817 to an even more isolated ranch 1338 01:10:17,851 --> 01:10:22,288 located 200 miles away in Death Valley. 1339 01:10:22,322 --> 01:10:24,824 - There was this frenetic energy 1340 01:10:24,858 --> 01:10:29,863 to create supplies and a foundation or whatever 1341 01:10:29,896 --> 01:10:32,832 to move us to the desert. 1342 01:10:32,866 --> 01:10:37,704 - We were gathering our last leather clothing 1343 01:10:37,737 --> 01:10:40,640 and whatever we needed to live out in the desert. 1344 01:10:41,675 --> 01:10:43,977 Narrator: While the women prepared to follow Manson 1345 01:10:44,010 --> 01:10:46,346 into further isolation, 1346 01:10:46,379 --> 01:10:49,716 Los Angeles authorities were struggling to find the people 1347 01:10:49,749 --> 01:10:52,886 responsible for the terrifying crimes. 1348 01:10:52,919 --> 01:10:55,855 [sullen music] 1349 01:10:55,889 --> 01:10:59,926 - The investigation really was not going anywhere fast. 1350 01:10:59,959 --> 01:11:01,895 - Police searched the premises. 1351 01:11:01,928 --> 01:11:03,930 They found no evidence of robbery, 1352 01:11:03,963 --> 01:11:05,965 no suggestion of motive. 1353 01:11:05,999 --> 01:11:08,468 - The police bungled the case, 1354 01:11:08,501 --> 01:11:13,640 completely... literally walking over pieces of evidence. 1355 01:11:13,673 --> 01:11:16,343 It's one of these examples where law enforcement just... 1356 01:11:16,376 --> 01:11:18,645 one arm wasn't talking to the other arm. 1357 01:11:18,678 --> 01:11:20,880 - A baffling crime and bizarre. 1358 01:11:20,914 --> 01:11:24,784 ♪ ♪ 1359 01:11:24,818 --> 01:11:27,721 - And at this point, nobody is interested 1360 01:11:27,754 --> 01:11:29,889 in Charles Manson. 1361 01:11:29,923 --> 01:11:32,726 Narrator: Not for murder, but authorities did have 1362 01:11:32,759 --> 01:11:34,494 their sights on the family. 1363 01:11:34,527 --> 01:11:37,397 Police stormed the new hideout 1364 01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:40,400 and nabbed them for stealing cars. 1365 01:11:41,501 --> 01:11:43,837 - They were arresting us for grand larceny, 1366 01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:47,073 which I was in the middle of washing my hair, 1367 01:11:47,107 --> 01:11:48,808 and a door blew open 1368 01:11:48,842 --> 01:11:51,945 and I've got a gun, you know, pointed at me. 1369 01:11:51,978 --> 01:11:54,781 - The group was broken up last October 1370 01:11:54,814 --> 01:11:56,683 after sheriff's deputies investigated 1371 01:11:56,716 --> 01:11:58,451 a series of thefts. 1372 01:11:58,485 --> 01:11:59,986 - We're in Inyo County. 1373 01:12:00,020 --> 01:12:02,389 All the girls were in the same cell together. 1374 01:12:03,556 --> 01:12:06,960 I was afraid to move. I was afraid to talk. 1375 01:12:06,993 --> 01:12:09,829 I was just... I think I was, like, 1376 01:12:09,863 --> 01:12:12,799 literally in shock, you know. 1377 01:12:12,832 --> 01:12:14,067 I just went along. 1378 01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:15,735 - Squeaky, at the time, would just, like, 1379 01:12:15,769 --> 01:12:17,537 look at me like, "Shut up." 1380 01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:19,873 narrator: Four months after the murders, 1381 01:12:19,906 --> 01:12:22,108 there was a breakthrough in the case. 1382 01:12:22,142 --> 01:12:24,511 - It wasn't till December. 1383 01:12:24,544 --> 01:12:26,179 They'd taken Susan Atkins away 1384 01:12:26,212 --> 01:12:28,081 'cause she had a warrant out for her arrest, 1385 01:12:28,114 --> 01:12:31,818 and that's when she started telling this whole delusion 1386 01:12:31,851 --> 01:12:34,521 to her cellmate. 1387 01:12:34,554 --> 01:12:36,489 Narrator: Susan Atkins was one of the four 1388 01:12:36,523 --> 01:12:38,158 who committed the Tate murders. 1389 01:12:40,126 --> 01:12:43,963 - Susan Atkins just randomly starts speaking 1390 01:12:43,997 --> 01:12:47,834 to two of her cellmates about the Tate murders. 1391 01:12:47,867 --> 01:12:51,071 That was a huge break for the prosecution 1392 01:12:51,104 --> 01:12:55,875 when they heard that tip from just a random conversation 1393 01:12:55,909 --> 01:12:57,444 heard in lockup. 1394 01:12:57,477 --> 01:12:58,978 That's really what broke the case. 1395 01:12:59,012 --> 01:13:00,980 [ominous music] 1396 01:13:01,014 --> 01:13:05,151 - Charles Manson. It stopped everything. 1397 01:13:05,185 --> 01:13:09,889 It had the same impact as earlier that summer 1398 01:13:09,923 --> 01:13:12,559 watching the man on the moon. 1399 01:13:12,592 --> 01:13:16,062 - I was Charlie's legal writer in the very beginning, 1400 01:13:16,096 --> 01:13:18,531 so I would hitchhike with my baby 1401 01:13:18,565 --> 01:13:21,868 to the LA County Jail, 1402 01:13:21,901 --> 01:13:26,139 and I would, you know, visit him in the attorney room. 1403 01:13:26,172 --> 01:13:29,142 [dramatic music] 1404 01:13:29,175 --> 01:13:31,911 ♪ ♪ 1405 01:13:31,945 --> 01:13:33,546 narrator: During the Tate-LaBianca 1406 01:13:33,580 --> 01:13:35,582 murder trial, some of the women remained 1407 01:13:35,615 --> 01:13:39,019 unapologetically devoted to Manson. 1408 01:13:39,052 --> 01:13:42,989 - I didn't feel I could judge them. 1409 01:13:43,023 --> 01:13:46,860 Now they say that it was Charlie's fault. 1410 01:13:46,893 --> 01:13:50,964 Was he... should he have been responsible for us? 1411 01:13:50,997 --> 01:13:54,567 Is he responsible for anything 1412 01:13:54,601 --> 01:13:56,836 that happened with us? 1413 01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:59,172 I don't feel like that. 1414 01:13:59,205 --> 01:14:02,108 We weren't raised by him. 1415 01:14:02,142 --> 01:14:04,044 He wasn't our leader. 1416 01:14:04,077 --> 01:14:06,946 People are what they are. 1417 01:14:08,214 --> 01:14:10,150 - They brought the rest of us up 1418 01:14:10,183 --> 01:14:12,118 to testify in front of the grand jury, 1419 01:14:12,152 --> 01:14:15,155 and the bailiff asks, you know, "Name?" 1420 01:14:15,188 --> 01:14:19,225 For the first time I say, "Dianne Lake. 1421 01:14:19,259 --> 01:14:23,663 I'm 16, and I want my mommy." 1422 01:14:23,697 --> 01:14:25,565 And I did. I was scared. 1423 01:14:25,598 --> 01:14:29,936 I felt alone and so vulnerable. 1424 01:14:29,969 --> 01:14:32,038 They quickly make me a ward of the court 1425 01:14:32,072 --> 01:14:35,308 and send me off for a 90-day observation 1426 01:14:35,342 --> 01:14:37,077 at Patton State Hospital, 1427 01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:40,547 which turned into, like, nearly nine months. 1428 01:14:40,580 --> 01:14:42,615 I was coming out of that psychosis. 1429 01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:45,185 - It took the grand jury just 20 minutes 1430 01:14:45,218 --> 01:14:47,554 to agree that six members of the hippie tribe 1431 01:14:47,587 --> 01:14:50,123 should be indicted in the Sharon Tate murders 1432 01:14:50,156 --> 01:14:53,993 and those of a supermarket owner and his wife. 1433 01:14:54,027 --> 01:14:55,628 Narrator: Manson and five others 1434 01:14:55,662 --> 01:14:57,163 were indicted for murder 1435 01:14:57,197 --> 01:14:59,232 and conspiracy to commit murder. 1436 01:14:59,265 --> 01:15:01,701 And even though Manson didn't hold a weapon 1437 01:15:01,735 --> 01:15:03,269 and wasn't on the scene, 1438 01:15:03,303 --> 01:15:06,106 he was charged because there was no doubt 1439 01:15:06,139 --> 01:15:09,309 in prosecutors' minds as to who was the mastermind 1440 01:15:09,342 --> 01:15:12,012 behind these horrific crimes. 1441 01:15:13,747 --> 01:15:15,882 - I stood up and said, 1442 01:15:15,915 --> 01:15:19,986 "The court is... this court is a mockery of justice." 1443 01:15:20,020 --> 01:15:21,955 And another one of the women stood up and said 1444 01:15:21,988 --> 01:15:24,190 something else, and another one stood up 1445 01:15:24,224 --> 01:15:25,725 and said something else. 1446 01:15:25,759 --> 01:15:27,227 We might have done a day or two 1447 01:15:27,260 --> 01:15:29,129 or three days, maybe four days in jail 1448 01:15:29,162 --> 01:15:30,997 for contempt of court. 1449 01:15:31,031 --> 01:15:35,902 After that, we were banned from the courtroom. 1450 01:15:36,403 --> 01:15:41,274 We decided to do a vigil on the street corner. 1451 01:15:41,307 --> 01:15:43,352 - Of course, everything was about Charlie on the corner, 1452 01:15:43,376 --> 01:15:45,979 so it was about getting Charlie out. 1453 01:15:47,714 --> 01:15:49,649 He was the person that doesn't mind 1454 01:15:49,683 --> 01:15:53,119 who they put under the bus, who gets killed, 1455 01:15:53,153 --> 01:15:58,024 who gets blamed as long as he survives. 1456 01:15:58,992 --> 01:16:02,729 It's just pure self-preservation. 1457 01:16:02,762 --> 01:16:06,399 - Young people starting to stand up for themselves, 1458 01:16:06,433 --> 01:16:09,235 and it's always gratifying to me to see it, 1459 01:16:09,269 --> 01:16:11,237 because that's us. 1460 01:16:11,271 --> 01:16:13,707 That's what we were doing. 1461 01:16:14,674 --> 01:16:16,643 - It was clear to everyone in the courtroom 1462 01:16:16,676 --> 01:16:20,680 that Manson was calling the shots. 1463 01:16:20,714 --> 01:16:22,716 Manson would stand up and say something. 1464 01:16:22,749 --> 01:16:24,317 Then the three girls would stand up 1465 01:16:24,351 --> 01:16:26,052 and say the same thing. 1466 01:16:26,086 --> 01:16:28,655 And Manson put an X on his forehead, 1467 01:16:28,688 --> 01:16:32,258 and the next day, the girls had Xs on their forehead. 1468 01:16:32,292 --> 01:16:34,327 - They're hiding the truth. 1469 01:16:34,361 --> 01:16:36,196 In the name of fair trial... 1470 01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:37,797 you know, there's no fair trial. 1471 01:16:37,831 --> 01:16:40,800 We X'd ourselves out of the system. 1472 01:16:40,834 --> 01:16:43,303 - They played right into our hands, 1473 01:16:43,336 --> 01:16:47,273 because we were trying to show that he was the mastermind 1474 01:16:47,307 --> 01:16:49,242 and that he ordered these murders. 1475 01:16:51,111 --> 01:16:53,747 - I remember the day they were given the death penalty. 1476 01:16:53,780 --> 01:16:57,017 I didn't think they would be killed, 1477 01:16:57,050 --> 01:16:59,119 and I certainly don't think they should be. 1478 01:16:59,152 --> 01:17:03,289 - Do you believe that there should be a death penalty? 1479 01:17:03,323 --> 01:17:05,058 - A death penalty? - Yeah. 1480 01:17:05,091 --> 01:17:07,460 - Aren't we all born to die? 1481 01:17:07,494 --> 01:17:09,095 - They did something. 1482 01:17:09,129 --> 01:17:13,433 They gave their lives, really. 1483 01:17:15,101 --> 01:17:18,204 [suspenseful music] 1484 01:17:18,238 --> 01:17:20,440 - Prison is not a nice place. 1485 01:17:20,473 --> 01:17:24,744 - I wanted to stay with the girls, with Charlie, 1486 01:17:24,778 --> 01:17:27,347 with everybody that was inside. 1487 01:17:27,380 --> 01:17:28,782 - I said, "I don't want out 1488 01:17:28,815 --> 01:17:31,384 until my people get a fair trial." 1489 01:17:31,418 --> 01:17:34,487 - All the death penalty cases had to become life 1490 01:17:34,521 --> 01:17:36,389 with the possibility of parole. 1491 01:17:36,423 --> 01:17:39,059 - How would you like to wake up some morning and find out 1492 01:17:39,092 --> 01:17:42,128 that Leslie Van Houten is your next-door neighbor? 1493 01:17:49,502 --> 01:17:50,502 [dramatic music] 1494 01:17:52,472 --> 01:17:55,875 ♪ ♪ 1495 01:17:55,909 --> 01:17:57,377 narrator: In the aftermath 1496 01:17:57,410 --> 01:18:01,214 of the Tate-LaBianca murder trial, 1497 01:18:01,247 --> 01:18:04,517 the women went from being isolated with Manson 1498 01:18:04,551 --> 01:18:08,154 to being isolated without him. 1499 01:18:09,923 --> 01:18:12,525 - At the time of an arrest, 1500 01:18:12,559 --> 01:18:14,761 why didn't the women say, 1501 01:18:14,794 --> 01:18:16,863 "Thank goodness you captured me. 1502 01:18:16,896 --> 01:18:20,333 I'm out of here. I've been in this cult." 1503 01:18:20,367 --> 01:18:21,835 They didn't say that. 1504 01:18:23,169 --> 01:18:25,872 Narrator: In 1971, Gypsy was convicted 1505 01:18:25,905 --> 01:18:27,874 of armed robbery in connection with a raid 1506 01:18:27,907 --> 01:18:31,845 on a gun shop followed by a shoot-out with the police. 1507 01:18:33,313 --> 01:18:34,547 She ended up in prison 1508 01:18:34,581 --> 01:18:36,516 with her former family members, 1509 01:18:36,549 --> 01:18:40,320 the women convicted of the Tate-LaBianca murders. 1510 01:18:40,353 --> 01:18:42,856 - I did five years, and three years was 1511 01:18:42,889 --> 01:18:45,225 in the special security housing unit 1512 01:18:45,258 --> 01:18:49,529 with Leslie and Patricia and Susan Atkins. 1513 01:18:51,231 --> 01:18:53,166 Patricia, at that time, 1514 01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:55,368 she'd have all the pictures of Charlie up, 1515 01:18:55,402 --> 01:18:57,203 and then she'd tear 'em down and just... 1516 01:18:57,237 --> 01:18:58,571 Like, she was back and forth. 1517 01:18:58,605 --> 01:19:01,441 [daunting music] 1518 01:19:01,474 --> 01:19:03,443 - Pat would swoon about Charlie 1519 01:19:03,476 --> 01:19:07,514 and say the things he said and how he paid attention. 1520 01:19:07,547 --> 01:19:11,384 This inmate said, "Every pimp who's any good 1521 01:19:11,418 --> 01:19:14,254 "says all this stuff. 1522 01:19:14,287 --> 01:19:16,156 "Manson isn't special. 1523 01:19:16,189 --> 01:19:20,293 You know, he's just doing what all pimps do and hustlers." 1524 01:19:20,326 --> 01:19:23,496 I think, for her, that was one of the steps. 1525 01:19:26,299 --> 01:19:29,502 [foreboding music] 1526 01:19:29,536 --> 01:19:32,872 Leslie, how she describes dismantling 1527 01:19:32,906 --> 01:19:36,409 the hold Manson had on her, it was gradual. 1528 01:19:36,443 --> 01:19:39,346 ♪ ♪ 1529 01:19:39,379 --> 01:19:42,449 - Leslie had hoped that they would go through 1530 01:19:42,482 --> 01:19:46,252 with the death penalty so it could just be over. 1531 01:19:46,286 --> 01:19:48,555 Narrator: Susan Atkins renounced Manson 1532 01:19:48,588 --> 01:19:51,925 and became a born-again Christian in prison. 1533 01:19:52,992 --> 01:19:55,528 Six years after she was sentenced to death, 1534 01:19:55,562 --> 01:19:59,599 she began giving interviews, asking for forgiveness. 1535 01:20:07,574 --> 01:20:09,409 Narrator: Once in prison, 1536 01:20:09,442 --> 01:20:12,879 Gypsy began to reflect on her role as a mother, 1537 01:20:12,912 --> 01:20:15,315 finally finding the strength to break free 1538 01:20:15,348 --> 01:20:17,283 from Manson's hold. 1539 01:20:17,317 --> 01:20:19,986 - My son is the one that really... you know, 1540 01:20:20,020 --> 01:20:22,555 I didn't want him to be an orphan. 1541 01:20:22,589 --> 01:20:27,460 There was somebody besides me that I needed to take care of. 1542 01:20:27,494 --> 01:20:29,529 He's the one that changed my life. 1543 01:20:29,562 --> 01:20:33,233 So everything that I did was so that he would be okay 1544 01:20:33,266 --> 01:20:35,535 from then on. 1545 01:20:35,568 --> 01:20:38,538 Narrator: After being released from the psychiatric hospital, 1546 01:20:38,571 --> 01:20:41,975 Snake was plagued by guilt and focused on trying 1547 01:20:42,008 --> 01:20:44,344 to live a normal life. 1548 01:20:44,377 --> 01:20:46,346 - I started going to church. 1549 01:20:46,379 --> 01:20:49,616 I told my pastor just because I felt... I felt 1550 01:20:49,649 --> 01:20:53,953 this overwhelming, you know, guilt. 1551 01:20:53,987 --> 01:20:55,922 I confessed that I had been 1552 01:20:55,955 --> 01:20:59,359 a member of this murderous family. 1553 01:20:59,392 --> 01:21:03,430 I really looked to God, you know, for forgiveness. 1554 01:21:04,998 --> 01:21:07,267 Narrator: Squeaky and Blue's belief in Manson 1555 01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:09,369 has never wavered. 1556 01:21:09,402 --> 01:21:11,371 After he was incarcerated, 1557 01:21:11,404 --> 01:21:14,407 they committed crimes in the hopes of reuniting 1558 01:21:14,441 --> 01:21:17,077 with their former family members in prison. 1559 01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:19,546 - Prison is not a nice place, 1560 01:21:19,579 --> 01:21:24,651 but I felt a solidarity with the other people. 1561 01:21:25,685 --> 01:21:28,455 Narrator: Five years after the Tate-LaBianca trial, 1562 01:21:28,488 --> 01:21:30,657 Squeaky was arrested for attempting 1563 01:21:30,690 --> 01:21:33,393 to assassinate President Gerald Ford, 1564 01:21:33,426 --> 01:21:35,328 who was making a public appearance 1565 01:21:35,362 --> 01:21:36,396 where she lived. 1566 01:21:39,332 --> 01:21:41,968 - I heard that Ford was coming, and I thought, 1567 01:21:42,002 --> 01:21:44,704 "Oh, I'll go and... I'll go and talk to him." 1568 01:21:44,738 --> 01:21:47,007 [tense music] 1569 01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,377 And then I thought, "He isn't gonna talk to you. 1570 01:21:50,410 --> 01:21:53,580 He's not gonna stop on his way. He's not gonna stop." 1571 01:21:53,613 --> 01:21:55,382 And then I thought, 1572 01:21:55,415 --> 01:21:59,019 "Well, maybe I'll bring a gun." 1573 01:22:00,453 --> 01:22:03,757 And I just put the gun out and stuck it in there. 1574 01:22:03,790 --> 01:22:08,561 ♪ ♪ 1575 01:22:08,595 --> 01:22:12,432 A Secret Service agent grabbed it. 1576 01:22:12,465 --> 01:22:14,367 And they had me on the ground, 1577 01:22:14,401 --> 01:22:16,636 and I was telling them, "It's okay. 1578 01:22:16,670 --> 01:22:19,606 It's okay. It didn't go off. It's okay." 1579 01:22:19,639 --> 01:22:22,442 The guy walked over, 1580 01:22:22,475 --> 01:22:25,745 and he picked up my hand, 1581 01:22:25,779 --> 01:22:29,082 and I was so relaxed. 1582 01:22:29,115 --> 01:22:31,785 And then he was talking to me, 1583 01:22:31,818 --> 01:22:35,722 and the Secret Service agent said, "Who are you?" 1584 01:22:35,755 --> 01:22:37,157 - Sandra Good, another member 1585 01:22:37,190 --> 01:22:38,758 of the so-called Manson Family, 1586 01:22:38,792 --> 01:22:42,062 was picked up by police. 1587 01:22:42,095 --> 01:22:47,033 - We were living together, so they arrested me. 1588 01:22:49,069 --> 01:22:51,104 And they took me to jail, 1589 01:22:51,137 --> 01:22:56,076 and they wanted to ascertain if there was a conspiracy 1590 01:22:56,109 --> 01:22:59,412 to assassinate the president of the United States. 1591 01:23:01,081 --> 01:23:02,224 Narrator: Squeaky was sentenced 1592 01:23:02,248 --> 01:23:03,650 to life in prison 1593 01:23:03,683 --> 01:23:06,086 with the possibility of parole. 1594 01:23:06,119 --> 01:23:08,421 - I was able to go 1595 01:23:08,455 --> 01:23:11,124 to the parole board after ten years. 1596 01:23:11,157 --> 01:23:14,461 But I didn't go to the parole board. 1597 01:23:14,494 --> 01:23:18,798 I wanted to stay with the girls, with Charlie, 1598 01:23:18,832 --> 01:23:21,634 with everybody that was inside. 1599 01:23:21,668 --> 01:23:25,405 ♪ ♪ 1600 01:23:25,438 --> 01:23:27,207 narrator: After Squeaky's trial, 1601 01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,643 Blue was tried, convicted, and sentenced to 15 years 1602 01:23:30,677 --> 01:23:34,581 for sending death threats to corporate executives. 1603 01:23:34,614 --> 01:23:38,118 The women were sent to the same federal prison. 1604 01:23:39,285 --> 01:23:42,655 - I didn't snivel and cry and go to the parole board. 1605 01:23:42,689 --> 01:23:44,157 I did my time. 1606 01:23:44,190 --> 01:23:46,793 And then I refused to leave. 1607 01:23:46,826 --> 01:23:50,797 I said, "I don't want out until my people get a fair trial." 1608 01:23:50,830 --> 01:23:53,266 They had to basically kick me out. 1609 01:23:53,299 --> 01:23:56,169 ♪ ♪ 1610 01:23:56,202 --> 01:24:00,507 narrator: Squeaky was paroled after serving 34 years. 1611 01:24:00,540 --> 01:24:03,109 - I've been out for almost ten years. 1612 01:24:03,143 --> 01:24:08,281 It's hard to be sorry if you're going by your heart. 1613 01:24:08,314 --> 01:24:09,683 Narrator: In the 50 years 1614 01:24:09,716 --> 01:24:11,885 since the Tate-LaBianca murders, 1615 01:24:11,918 --> 01:24:13,820 members of the Manson Family 1616 01:24:13,853 --> 01:24:17,757 have been denied parole over 100 times. 1617 01:24:17,791 --> 01:24:20,727 - They all received the death penalty at trial. 1618 01:24:23,163 --> 01:24:25,865 But California, a few years later, 1619 01:24:25,899 --> 01:24:28,268 overturned the death penalty. 1620 01:24:28,301 --> 01:24:32,472 - That meant that everybody on death row... 1621 01:24:32,505 --> 01:24:35,575 Manson, Krenwinkel, Watson, 1622 01:24:35,608 --> 01:24:37,744 Van Houten, Atkins... 1623 01:24:37,777 --> 01:24:41,781 they all had their sentences commuted from death to life. 1624 01:24:41,815 --> 01:24:44,851 - All the death penalty cases, then, had to become life 1625 01:24:44,884 --> 01:24:46,853 with the possibility of parole. 1626 01:24:50,223 --> 01:24:52,192 Narrator: There's no question that the women 1627 01:24:52,225 --> 01:24:55,762 who followed Charles Manson suffered all kinds of abuse. 1628 01:24:55,795 --> 01:24:57,630 Some look back with regret, 1629 01:24:57,664 --> 01:25:01,768 and others have never lost their faith in him. 1630 01:25:01,801 --> 01:25:04,738 And those women who killed on his behalf, 1631 01:25:04,771 --> 01:25:08,508 do they ever deserve a second chance? 1632 01:25:08,541 --> 01:25:09,876 - I just feel like 1633 01:25:09,909 --> 01:25:11,811 when someone's gotten their mind back 1634 01:25:11,845 --> 01:25:13,723 and they've done everything they could to make up 1635 01:25:13,747 --> 01:25:16,216 for a horrible thing they've done when they were kids 1636 01:25:16,249 --> 01:25:19,285 that it's just time to do a little forgiving 1637 01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:22,889 and let them, you know, not die in prison. 1638 01:25:22,922 --> 01:25:25,225 - They weren't remorseful. 1639 01:25:25,258 --> 01:25:26,593 Think about that. 1640 01:25:26,626 --> 01:25:28,928 They were not remorseful at the time. 1641 01:25:28,962 --> 01:25:31,564 Yeah, you get remorseful in prison. 1642 01:25:31,598 --> 01:25:35,301 Narrator: Manson died on November 19, 2017. 1643 01:25:35,335 --> 01:25:37,771 And Tex Watson remains in prison, 1644 01:25:37,804 --> 01:25:40,840 having never been found suitable for parole. 1645 01:25:40,874 --> 01:25:44,944 Bobby Beausoleil was found suitable for parole in 2019, 1646 01:25:44,978 --> 01:25:49,249 but his release was blocked by the governor of California. 1647 01:25:49,282 --> 01:25:52,819 Three women went to prison for the Tate-LaBianca murders. 1648 01:25:52,852 --> 01:25:57,957 Susan Atkins died in prison from brain cancer in 2009. 1649 01:25:57,991 --> 01:26:03,296 Patricia Krenwinkel has been denied parole 14 times. 1650 01:26:03,329 --> 01:26:05,832 Leslie Van Houten has been found suitable 1651 01:26:05,865 --> 01:26:07,701 for parole three times, 1652 01:26:07,734 --> 01:26:09,869 but her release has also been blocked 1653 01:26:09,903 --> 01:26:12,405 by the governor of California. 1654 01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,342 - As a rehabilitated woman, I would like to state 1655 01:26:15,375 --> 01:26:17,277 that the insight I have gained 1656 01:26:17,310 --> 01:26:20,714 is not meant to excuse any of my acts. 1657 01:26:20,747 --> 01:26:22,916 - How would you like to wake up some morning 1658 01:26:22,949 --> 01:26:24,718 and find out that Leslie Van Houten 1659 01:26:24,751 --> 01:26:26,753 is your next-door neighbor? 1660 01:26:26,786 --> 01:26:29,289 Now, she's gonna be somebody's next-door neighbor, 1661 01:26:29,322 --> 01:26:30,924 and you know what she's done. 1662 01:26:32,292 --> 01:26:35,295 - There's people that have done 50 times worse 1663 01:26:35,328 --> 01:26:36,896 and they've gotten out. 1664 01:26:36,930 --> 01:26:40,266 They're being used politically. 1665 01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:41,901 They're being used to sell crime. 1666 01:26:41,935 --> 01:26:43,803 You've got to have a scapegoat. 1667 01:26:43,837 --> 01:26:45,739 Got to have the evil people. 1668 01:26:47,841 --> 01:26:50,377 - If they really had remorse, 1669 01:26:50,410 --> 01:26:53,780 they would waive their parole hearings 1670 01:26:53,813 --> 01:26:56,282 so that the families of the victims 1671 01:26:56,316 --> 01:27:01,621 don't have to relive this experience over and over. 1672 01:27:01,654 --> 01:27:05,025 ♪ ♪ 1673 01:27:05,058 --> 01:27:06,026 narrator: For more information 1674 01:27:06,059 --> 01:27:07,060 on "Manson: The Women," 1675 01:27:07,093 --> 01:27:09,262 go to oxygen.com.