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[Chickens cluck]
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See? See?
You want it? You want eggs?
No, you can't reach for it.
[Drawer squeaks]
[Utensil clatters on pot]
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I got some Lego sets that I've built,
like, this is like really cool.
These are some dinosaurs.
It double clicks.
And my favorite part.
[Legos clicking]
No one knows about it, I only tell my bestest friends.
Virtually all I remember
is sleeping on the couch next to a gray church.
Just going over to this place with a bunch of people
like terrorists or something.
So, like, and there is one particular thing I do remember,
not I didn't, like, on my birthday
when I turned 6 they didn't celebrate,
but the only toy I pretty much had was a little buildable,
Megalosaurus the dinosaur.
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Man: Terrorism is essentially mostly a media operation.
The act of violence is to get your view across
because otherwise no one else would listen to it.
Reporter: A second American woman has now surfaced in connection
with a terror investigation
that stretches from Colorado to Ireland.
First Jihad Jane, now the woman dubbed Jihad Jamie.
Man: And so as we watch the mainstream press cover it,
it's almost like you applaud yourself on the back
because you know full well
that the ramifications of that are going to be.
Reporter: You really cannot judge a book by its cover.
You can't tell what your neighbor's doing.
Reporter #2: We've got two women that went online,
which now they're both under arrest.
Reporter #3: An American woman waging jihad.
Have you ever seen anything like this?
Are these women a complete anomaly
or is this a whole new profile?
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[Yell]
Hi, baby.
Sometimes my sister could carry it to the far, far corners.
Like join the Muslims and becoming a terrorist.
First American woman to be arrested
for terroristic acts in America was my sister.
Colleen would pretend, like, to make a phone call,
and I took this picture of her to do something funny.
So she can pretend like she's on the phone with a business call
or whatever she was doing was singing.
There's Colleen when I was at her apartment.
There's Colleen enjoying herself, in, um, Amsterdam.
And this is what some girl in prison made, Colleen.
Uh, says, "Jihad Jane to the rescue,"
and made a picture of Colleen's mean face.
[Birds chirping]
Colleen LaRose: I was so into my jihad in my mission that that's all
that meant something to me
and I just wanted to accomplish this.
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Being in prison, I reflected over my past
and I realized that I used to be a pretty selfish person.
And I didn't show my appreciation to Kurt
like I should have because, I mean, he did nothing wrong.
That's the one regret I have,
is that he didn't deserve what I did to him.
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Kurt: Ferris is the name of the town
there where the radio station is,
and they were living right in front
of the actual transmitter site for the radio station.
[Indistinct radio speech]
We were putting in new equipment
for the station, so we worked for,
you know, three to four months there.
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She liked to talk. She liked to, y'know, hang out.
Basically just seemed like a normal country girl.
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And then Colleen eventually came up and moved in with me.
We were very happy and spending time with each other,
so I think we were both happy at that point, yeah.
Mark Wilson: That time period, she remembers fairly fondly
until his, his father,
Kurt's father and her mother had to move into --
they were in an apartment, they both needed care.
Colleen's a fairly social being,
but she was tied to that apartment
and she started to spend a lot of time on the computer.
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As I understand it, Kurt recognized
that there was an issue for them in their relationship,
and so he decided to take her to Europe.
And it was actually while she was in Europe
that she had started to be intrigued in Islam.
Colleen LaRose: I went to Amsterdam.
My boyfriend and I had some words or whatever,
and we were drinking and he went to bed
and I went downstairs to the bar and I was drinking some more.
And then I got on the elevator
and there was a Middle Eastern guy on the elevator.
And me and him, we decided to go get our own room.
And we stayed together for a few, couple, few hours
and then I went upstairs to my boyfriend.
He went upstairs to his girlfriend.
After I come back to America,
decided I was going to find another Middle Eastern man
because I liked him.
I joined different sites for Muslim,
for, well, for Arab lounge,
Arab, something and then mezima.com.
I joined, like, a couple other sites for Muslims.
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I started meeting different brothers and sisters online
in different Muslim sites,
and they was teaching me more about Islam,
and I made a lot of brothers and sisters
I made a lot of and brothers and sisters,
and we was always talking online, mostly through YouTube.
I was watching videos on YouTube.
The thing that had an effect on me
was the brutality I seen against the Muslims.
It would, like, make me mad.
I was seeing -- I mean, I would get,
I would get upset.
the blood and the bodies and the children.
And I mean, it was just so much shit.
They just kept bombing them.
The day that I was watching the Zionists bombing
the Palestinians and you hear the children
screaming and crying and in the people,
all the women and the brothers.
And at the same time, I was watching this on the Internet,
outside my window in the streets,
little kids were playing and having fun and laughing.
And I was thinking to myself,
"You know, nobody knows what's going on."
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I was hurt by what was happening then I got real angry
and I decided that I hate I hated Zionists
and I wanted something done to them.
And I started talking to other brothers and sisters
who thought, like me.
And then I went further and found another brother
who was into jihad.
[Indistinct speech]
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When I first met Jihad Jane online,
I was about 15 or 16 years old.
When I first came to America, I was in 2007.
High school was very different
from what I was acquainted with in Pakistan.
And I didn't really know how to interact properly with people.
Having Aspergers, you know, I would just kind of
stay to myself and, you know, be in my own world.
I did become a social recluse.
I did actually try to avoid people.
Unfortunately, that led me to just turn to the Internet.
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Man: [On TV] This is in 20th century Europe.
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All that's needed is one...
The first videos that I watched
was just innocuous religious videos,
so I would just try to get to know more
about the religious aspect of my life.
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But then they became, you know,
videos about wars in different countries,
about bombings and, you know, attacks by extremists.
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I would just blame the West for the entire problems
that the Muslim world was facing.
Everything that was wrong with the world as I imagined,
I, you know, I was angry about that, you know, and I wanted to,
I wanted to know more.
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So I would be online for as many hours
that someone would work full time.
So about 40 to 50 hours a week, I would just be online.
You know, just watching multiple videos.
I would say probably hundreds of videos.
I met Colleen LaRose through YouTube.
She was a very avid commentator on different YouTube videos.
It was very apparent that she was spending a lot of time,
just as much as me.
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Kurt: When she was at the house there,
she was doing a very good job,
not only taking care of her mother,
but, you know, trying to make sure
that my dad took his medicine.
But she did spend a lot of time on the computer.
I knew she'd like to play a lot of the games
on the computer there.
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Colleen LaRose: Felt like I was living a double life
and I wanted to commit to one of them.
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And I've committed to jihad.
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Thought that he was like me,
that he wanted to do something, make a difference.
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I thought that he was a brother
that was into jihad like I was,
and he was somebody who had already tried
to do a couple of things to further the cause of jihad.
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And then he was in some sort of an army of sorts or whatever,
who, according to him and that he had fought for the Muslim.
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But he did say that there was a house work ready for me
and brothers and sisters were there waiting for me
and all I need to do is just to come there.
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I met Black Flag on Islam guiding English forums,
and these are like actual jihadist forums.
He was one of the very active users on there.
The Black-Flag came across as someone who knew basically
what he was doing, you know, he was very authoritative,
he was very influential in the forum itself.
I mean, he had a certain level of eloquence,
you know, in his words.
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The remarkable thing to me when I first got involved
in this case was that.
Just, just all open, there was there was no coded language,
there was no attempt to hide.
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Jan Federacyk: Colleen LaRose had come to the attention of the FBI
because she was on social media talking about, uh,
certain types of desires and intents relative
to what was happening in the Muslim world
and wanting to do something to rectify
what she perceived as wrongs against Muslims.
And so you definitely would have been paying
quite a bit of attention to not only her,
but to others in her network.
Well, Eli was...
identified as somebody who was in Pakistan.
In her mind, he was the technical expert,
Colleen LaRose: I met the brother Eagle Eye.
He was an al-Qaeda operative.
He had a page on YouTube and I saw some of his videos
and I liked his videos because they were about jihad.
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Mark Wilson: There's also an interesting...
there's a movie called "Eagle Eye,"
an American movie that's about a fictional terrorist
who's known as Eagle Eye.
For what it's worth, that she didn't know about that movie.
I'm not convinced he's a real individual,
as opposed to somebody who was pretending
to be a terrorist or a government agent.
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Colleen LaRose: He told me, do I want to know about somebody
who needs to be dealt with?
And I said, well, he said that Lars Vilks needs to be killed
and that what he's done,
that nobody's ever slapped him for what he's done
and he needs to be killed
because you want to know the crime that he did.
And I said, "Yeah."
[Birds calling]
Lars Vilks: You've got the invitation to a smaller exhibition
in the middle of Sweden.
They had a project called The Dog in Art,
so they asked me for a contribution to that.
My drawing you want my drawing,
was the head of the prophet on, on a dog.
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Some Muslims started to make demonstration.
[Chanting]
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There was demonstrations in Pakistan, Bangladesh.
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I had a phone call and they told me
"We had bad news, we had bad news."
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I was informed by the police saying that
"al-Qaeda had put a price on your head."
[Man speaking Arabic]
I didn't know what was actually a fatwa meant.
It's just a very, very, very dangerous.
[Speaking Arabic]
How does these things work?
Will there be people coming after me?
Who?
Will it take 10 minutes? Will it take one hour?
Take a couple of days or what will happen?
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Colleen LaRose: I'm just a sister, and he's had that much confidence in me
and he thought that I was that strong,
that I could go do that, and it made me feel good
that he had that much confidence in me.
Mohammad Hassan Khalid: There was a lot of talk about killing this cartoonist.
I mean, we would chat about it almost every day.
Me and LaRose would definitely talk a lot about it,
and she was very excited to partake in it.
She was very passionate about and I was very passionate
about it, and we kind of, you know,
just look towards the Black Flag as the person,
you know, who would just kind of bring this whole thing together.
Colleen LaRose: And then he told me that the brothers can't get close to him
because he's got bodyguards all around him
and that I could probably get close to him.
I told him, I said, "Yes, I'll do it."
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Jan Federacyk: Oh, that would have accelerated the investigation
because now you have her being directed to travel overseas
in support of terrorism,
to actually plot to kill an individual in a foreign country.
I was talking to my brother online all the time,
and the Black Flag told me that he had everything ready for me
and he told my brother in Pakistan
that everything was ready for me.
So I was all, "You need to get out of America."
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[Wind blowing]
Cristine: There's a lot more families in this country now,
that have got kids that are pulling the same stuff,
and I'm sure they're probably
asking themselves the same question, why.
You know, what are these people
saying to these kids that getting them
turned their back on their country...
and going and fighting for something that is not real?
And, and what, what?
These people came into my home, through the computer,
and invaded my, my domain and stole my daughter from me.
[Creaking floorboards]
[Plastic crackles, crunches]
[Chair creaks]
-Okay. -We good, guys?
Man: What did you think of when you were in prison?
What I think about when I was in prison?
Why in the hell did I ever get on that plane?
So.
But I can't change the past.
I mean, in Islam we're not allowed to say,
"Well, if I were to did this, this would'a happened,
you're not allowed to say that.
So, I mean, you just got to accept it.
It's the will of Allah, subhanAllah.
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People laughed at me my entire life,
so why am I going to worry about it now? [Scoffs]
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I was made fun of in school where I've grown up.
Sometimes it'd be lonely.
I wish I had friends, but...
it was, like, it was this is something I was always used to.
I grew up like that.
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I've always had a low self-esteem,
but I have a hard time saying no to people.
I always want to please people make people happy.
And why do you think you want to please people so much?
Because no one wanted to be my friend,
I wanted to have friends.
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I got married when I was 18.
What age was he?
Uh, 33.
He used to beat me up all the time.
It was physical, he would hit me,
give me black eyes, fat lips.
One morning, I woke up and I found my gun next to my head
and he wasn't in the room.
He beat me up and so I ran out on the house
and ran straight to the police department
and got a restraining order put against him.
And after the divorce, I never heard from him again.
I had a couple boyfriends after that.
Um, nothing serious, but, um, and then I met my son's father.
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His name was Alejandro. He was from Mexico.
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I got pregnant with my son down in Mexico.
I was so excited I had finally had a baby.
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Cristine: He had had a warrant or something.
George Mott: They sent him back to Mexico.
Yeah, they deported him back to Mexico.
And so Christian doesn't know who his dad is.
Man: Who was your third husband?Jamie Pauline Ramirez: Some guy I worked with,
he ended up getting arrested and eventually got deported.
Well, I wasn't going to get married again,
I was through.
Yes, we got married and divorced,
marry, divorce, marry, divorce,
and I just got tired of it.
Why, what for?
I didn't want to deal with it anymore.
I was happy I had my little job, I was going to college.
I had my own place, had my own little car, had my son.
So I was making it.
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It was in 2009, I noticed on her computer screen
that she had this Lawrence of Arabia type,
you know, screensaver on her computer.
I didn't think of anything of it at first,
but then during Easter week of 2009
is when she made the announcement
that she was going to convert to Islam.
I remember being in the bedroom and she just walked in
and just blurted it out.
I reacted poorly.
I just, you know, I was angry.
[Metallic clatter]
Jamie Pauline Ramirez: I like the idea of the Brotherhood.
Every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim.
I like that idea.
I will talk to people online about Islam
and ask them questions and everything.
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Cristine: She worked long hours at the doctor's office
and she got home at 7:00 at night
and head straight back to her room,
get on the computer talking to these people
until, you know, 1:00, 2:00, 3:00 in the morning.
I will read and comment on like Newcomer's to Islam
and watch videos about newcomers to Islam.
And eventually I ran into my codefendant,
his screen name with the Black Flag.
He sent me an e-mail through YouTube.
Originally, he always talked about
living in a non-Muslim country.
Then he would send me jihad videos,
and then about a week or a week or so around there,
he asked me to marry him.
One day I walked in the kitchen and I heard Arabic playing
and I'm like, it just caught my ear.
And it was like, "And the infidels"
and I was like, the fuck are you doing?
And I looked at her computer and it's got all the bodies,
all the blow ups, you know, and America's doing this,
and this is happening with Israel.
And I said, Jamie, I said, is this something for school?
She goes, "They're hurting our people."
I said, "Jamie, that ain't even your fight."
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Jamie Pauline Ramirez: He sent me an e-mail...
telling me that she needs to contact me.
Colleen and him had been communicating previously and,
and me and Colleen communicated together.
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[Message alert dings]
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[Message alert dings]
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[Message alert dings]
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Jan Federacyk: The fact that she was able to make that connection
with Jamie in these online forums,
Colleen, is actually engaging in online recruitment.
You know, obviously Jamie fell into line with that
and actually took her own direct steps.
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Jamie Pauline Ramirez: The decision was not finalized until about three days before.
I wanted to go by, I didn't want to go,
I wanted to finish school too, so but my mom wouldn't let up.
What the hell?
This lady is never going to let me be a Muslim woman.
I might as well just leave.
I got tired of getting yelled at.
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Well, I had one of our police officers knocking at my door,
wanting to know where she was at.
She hadn't been at work in a week.
And I said, "What?"
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I called her on the phone, I said, "What are you doing?"
And she told me that she was going to go stay
with a friend down in Denver.
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Kurt: I had come home in the afternoon or evening there
and she was gone.
And I didn't know where she was or what had happened there,
but, yeah, I just got home and her mother
was there by herself and she was gone.
[Siren wails]
The only thing that I know of that was missing,
I mean, was she had taken my passport.
She didn't take any money or anything else that I'm aware of.
It was like she just picked up and left.
So you have the purchase of the the tickets.
You have Colleen stealing the passport.
You have her making contact with the Swedish embassy saying,
I want to become a citizen and she's gone well beyond
just espousing what she would like to do.
So now this case is full on.
Pam LaRose: He told me that Colleen had ran off.
He said, "And I'm sending your mom back to Texas.
He says, "I can't take care of her.
My dad just died recently."
What the hell is she doing? I had no idea.
It's your worst nightmare because now you have
two American citizens
who they've been having these conversations,
they've been engaging in these planning activities,
and now they've actually taken that next step to travel abroad.
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Man: Do you ever think of your sister as a terrorist?
Pam LaRose: No.
I mean, I'm glad she is so important now.
But I don't see how.
To me she's still my little sister.
You know, same mom, same father, same blood.
Everything.
Except she's short.
[Crickets chirping]
Colleen LaRose: I felt pride, I felt more strong,
that I had a mission, I had a goal.
Something that was important, that needed to be done
and I was going to be the one to do it.
Colleen, in your life, is there any other times
where you felt important?
Not like that, no.
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Mark Wilson: Her parents were both alcoholics.
Her father was abusive when drunk,
her mother was drunk frequently.
They were for a while still together.
Then they separated, her father remarried,
and it was then she would bounce back and forth
between her father's household and their mother's household.
Neither was a very good place for her.
Colleen: The first time I ran away, I was like 13,
it was moved from Michigan to Texas.
So I just kept running away.
I can't calculate the amount of times Colleen has run away.
She just had a lot of anger also.
You know, a lot of hurt a lot of confusion, a lot of pain.
Colleen LaRose: I think I was, like, um
about 13, I've met this guy that had a restaurant.
He knew a pimp and the pimp came in there one day and saw me
and me and him just started talking
and I just ended up going home with him
and then he started me doing all kinds of stuff.
That's what I started doing, drugs. I mean, everything.
I wanted to make a lot of money so that my pimp
would be happy with me
and I felt like these men when they came to see me,
I felt like I was desirable.
At that time, I didn't click to me that this is terrible.
At some point after she wandered into prostitution,
yes, her first husband was one of her customers.
Well, he was like 33 and I was like 15
and he liked getting high and I like getting high.
He was crazy.
I don't know who our witnesses was or if we had
witnesses or what, but we ended up getting married.
And I got married to him by using a fake I.D.,
a fake birth certificate.
That he had gotten and I had --
he gave me the birth certificate to carry around in my pocket
so it looked like it's worn out.
Pam LaRose: We went to Buddy's house,
which was Colleen's husband at the time,
and he said she was gone, she was out prostituting.
And so we couldn't find her nowhere.
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Colleen LaRose: I was a truck driver at that time.
He was one of my customers.
Well, he met me at the what they call it,
a "hose stroll" it's where I was,
the street I was working on.
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And he told me he was going to leave Texas
and he's going to Tennessee
and he asked me if I wanted to go.
I just wanted to get away.
And that was my perfect way to get out.
So I came b-- I went with him.
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And while I was with him, I was going,
I was going to truck stops with him.
And he was prostituting me 'cause the truck driver's there.
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And I would just go from one truck to another.
And then we got to Tennessee and I was real sick
and I couldn't go out with him.
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I was sick, and so I guess I was more sick then, I know,
because there's all kinds of things wrong with me.
So I was not able to go out
to work with the truck driver no more.
And they never came back for me.
'Cause I was sick and I didn't have nowhere to go,
and I went to this restaurant and this one lady
came up to me and she asked me, "Are you okay?"
When I encountered Colleen LaRose,
I was a counselor at the runaway house in Memphis, Tennessee.
She had told me that she had started prostituting
around 14 years of age
and had basically been on the streets since age 13.
And one thing that had contributed to that
was the dysfunction within her family unit.
So I did call Richard LaRose, Colleen's father.
One reason this case stuck out in my mind so much
was when I on the phone told him about the allegations
that she had made towards him of sexual abuse.
He admitted it to me.
Matter of fact, he used the words that,
"Yes, I did rape my daughters."
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Pam LaRose: In my eyes, Richard it was nothing but a lousy, drunk,
lazy, abusive to my mother, abusive to us children,
but he never physically would hit us,
but he would do other sexual stuff to my sister and I.
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It started when I was nine,
and I think Colleen was six or seven when it started.
I think she was seven when he started messing with her.
Colleen LaRose: I remember one time when I was seven,
he came to my bed and I guess
he was he was touching me or whatever,
and he asked me if I ever been fucked.
And I told him, "No."
I don't remember what happened after that.
It just, I blocked it out.
I always got real nauseous at my stomach.
Him just doing stuff to me, nasty stuff.
Just about every... about twice a week.
Colleen LaRose: I remember one time when my, my mother and my step dad
was driving me and my sister,
my brother back to my real dad and his wife
and I was in the back seat of the car.
I just started to cry because I knew
what was going to be waiting for me when I got there.
Olive Mannino: So he confirmed to me that her allegations
were true about the incestuous relationship
that he had with his children.
I did hand her the phone and Colleen confronted
her father and she was very angry and she was very tearful
and I just remember that conversation so vividly.
And I remember her screaming into the phone
while I stood there beside her and she was yelling at him,
"Why did you do this to me?
Why did you mess me up like this?
Don't you see what you've done to me?"
And she was so angry and so full of rage towards him.
And I remember her slamming down the phone
and then just embracing me
and crying and crying and sobbing.
And it was just like years of abuse
she was trying to let out.
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Colleen LaRose: It was just a part of my -- I consider everything in my life
is been a big adventure.
And so it was just part of me growing up,
it's what I had to go through.
[Cars whooshing by]
May I speak to Mark, please?
This is [Chuckles]
This is Fatima.
[Laughs]
Okay, I'll wait.
Hello, Mark?
Hey, it's me.
I'm free.
I'm coming home.
[Cars continue whooshing by]
This is Muslimah.
This is Abdullah, he's pink
because he's in touch with his feminine side.
And this is Frenchie, he's deformed.
So Frenchie is the gay dog. [Laughs]
I tell you, I'd say y'all can't imagine
that a terrorist sleeping with stuffed animals. [Laughs]
Yeah, everybody should. It keeps you calm at night.
And when I was in the shoe, I didn't have them,
I would get a towel and I would bundle it up
and I would hold the towel like I held my cat
and sleep with that. [Laughs]
Guess it's like a security thing.
This is my bucket list for when I get out.
Find my baby Daw Savage, go to Zim's Facebook page,
copy pics for her. Keep in touch with my babies.
It'll be Breezy, Jalin, Max, Tatiana, Meeco,
and of course, most important, my sweet baby Zimmy.
Oh, there is a new disease.
I heard about a lot of girls heard about it.
It's called blue waffle, women get it.
It's like it's a sexually transmitted disease.
That's what they said.
And we all don't know if that's a real thing
or if people are just making it up.
Yeah, we just we never heard of it.
We want to see what it is
and how you get it and how to get rid of it
and what it what does it do to you?
Research in minute detail the situation in Palestine,
how it used to be before the Zionists invaded
and the situation they are in now.
Man: When you were in prison, what did you think about
the event at Waterford and what had happened?
I was proud of myself because I told my brother
that I was willing to do what he asked me to do.
I knew he was proud of me.
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When I wrote him Waterford he came
to get me at the airport, he told me, he says,
"I feel that you went from YouTube to Ireland."
I go, "I can't believe I'm here."
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I got into the back seat because, oh, sister,
don't sit beside brother on the car,
we sit behind and I sat behind,
he didn't talk to me.
But he didn't and he was very quiet.
I could tell that there was something
that was bothering him,
but he wouldn't tell me what it was.
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His real name was Ali, and he was from Algeria
and he's lived in France awhile, and he...
sort of, like, came out of nowhere.
Brian Chesser: [British accent] Ali Charaf Damache was living in a one-bedroom apartment,
a rather rundown street.
I did ask him about Black Flag.
And he acknowledged that it was him.
He was a loner,
he had excellent English, intelligent, literate,
he had been in the auctioneering business in Cork.
And now, he was unemployed.
Colleen LaRose: Wasn't that big of an apartment it a restroom at a bedroom
and a front room and kitchenette type thing all in one space,
and that's where I was sleeping.
Pam LaRose: When she first got to Europe, she called me,
she was wearing, because it was during the time
where Muslims don't eat.
-Ramadan, yeah. -Ramadan.
And, she says, "I wonder if it'd be okay with the time changes
and everything she's already been through,
if she could at least have banana, you know,
something to eat. She always loved bananas.
And I thought, I said,
"I would, What are they're going to put you in jail?"
We talked for a little bit and I told her what time it was,
it was 5:00 in the morning in Texas.
And then the phone went out.
The next day, Jamie was there, you know, Jamie was in Ireland.
I had no idea.
And then I went and I talked to Jamie
and Jamie told me she had gotten married.
So I said, "Who'd you get married to?"
And she said, "Brother Ali."
I arrived in.
Arrived there on Sunday morning. We got married Monday.
We couldn't have children without marriage,
so I wanted more kids, so.
Uh, I had to get married in order to have more kids.
And I said, "Oh."
I didn't understand, because I was just in the car
with him the day before, he picked me up at the airport.
He had just gotten married that morning to her.
He never mentioned that to me.
I said, "Oh, okay, well, that's great."
♪♪
Mohammad Hassan Khalid: When she was over there, you know, intermittently,
she was able to talk with me through the same chat messengers
that we were using.
LaRose described that she was a little bit
disaffected by meeting the Black Flag.
I mean, she had what she imagined was not really true.
There was was kind of an illusion.
The Black Flag was not treating her the right way.
At one point, I remember asking the Black Flag
if everything was fine if, you know, things were in order,
and he said that everything was in order
and he was very busy with stuff
and he was taking care of everyone.
Colleen LaRose: I didn't think that we had time for a private life,
for our own life when we had things to do.
He's moving on with his life and here
I am holding my life back
so I can do what I was supposed to do.
And here he is on getting married.
Like why you're supposed to be doing this? What are you doing?
[Windshield wipers ticking]
That was one of the last messages
I sent to my brother in Pakistan.
I was trying to reassure him that I am strong
and I would not let him down.
♪♪
And I wanted him to know that I'm not, I'm not afraid.
I would do it.
♪♪
She was she was a comic, she was comical, she was funny.
But I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be friends with her.
But I mean, she made me laugh and she was comical the way
she did things, the way she spoke.
I mean, she just kept on running a million miles an hour.
Colleen LaRose: Jamie was not allowed to leave the apartment
and I did not want to stay in the house all the time,
so I would go in the daytime to different stores, whatever,
and when I would come back Jamie would still be there alone.
And I felt bad for her because I'm the type of person
that I'll do what my brothers tell me to do,
but they're going to respect me.
And they're going to take care of me
like they would take care of your sister
and take care of your mother, take care of your aunt.
They're not going to treat me like I'm a dog.
♪♪
Jamie Pauline Ramirez: They really didn't hang out together that much.
I mean, he told her how to get to places,
but he didn't hang out with her.
He told me he didn't like her.
I mean, he just I thought I thought he was like a leader,
like a leader.
And that he had everything under control,
he had people under him, and that he could teach me.
But it turned out he wasn't that at all.
He was a liar. Period.
He lied to all of us.
And it was like, even, like, when I talked to my brother
in Pakistan, and I told him,
"What did I Ali tell you that he was going to do?"
And he said, "Well, he told me
the same thing that he told you."
So I said, "Well, I mean, he, he, he didn't do it."
He said, "Well, what's going on?"
But I didn't back down.
So, I mean, it left him just standing there looking foolish
because he didn't have anything ready, and I was ready.
♪♪
So I was just waiting and waiting and waiting,
and it's like, finally I need to go do something.
So I went to the library, I got on the Internet
and I went to the FBI website.
And then I wrote to them and I told them,
I said, "Look, if you let me come home,
I'll tell you the truth that you want to know."
♪♪
We didn't Ali just took her to the airport and she's gone.
Never heard from her again.
♪♪
How much trouble I was gonna get into?
No, I did not know.
It's just, like, you know, the planning of killing that man,
I didn't think that was illegal because I didn't do it.
I didn't follow through.
But apparently that's called conspiracy.
And that's just as bad as
actually carrying it through almost.
♪♪
For you know what I the impression I get
for her the minute she came back to the United States,
that episode was over in her life.
And so she would talk to the agents about it
and then they would let her go home and that was it.
She would go back and live with Kurt.
I think she really that's, that's the way she perceived it.
[Thunder crashes]
And then when my lawyer told me that I was looking at life
I was like, "What the heck, I didn't even do anything."
The FBI told me, "This is a little bit of trouble,
this is a lot of trouble, you're right here."
♪♪
[Wind rushing]
Jamie Pauline Ramirez: After, after we decided to get married,
the jihad aspect of our conversations
pretty much got put on the back burner.
Did he discuss jihad with you?
After we decided to get married, no.
Very little, I'll say very little.
Was it a loving relationship that you had?
Loving? No.
Mnh-mnh.
Why not?
I don't know.
He was very quiet and very distant.
He didn't talk to me.
Maybe 10 sentences.
Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, but it was very little.
He wasn't, he wasn't violent towards me, he just didn't talk.
I mean, I didn't like the way he treated my son.
He was mean to my son.
I didn't like that at all.
Basically, it sounds like that Ali's, uh,
taking control of the child was the biggest factor
in the life in that apartment.
He, you know, he fashions some gun
for the, for the young child,
and he was, he was essentially
like starting to totally inculcate him,
taking him places, leaving him behind.
Jamie Pauline Ramirez: A lot of times he would take my son to the park
and I would be left at home.
Cook and then clean and then look on the Internet.
Christian: I have no clue if my mom was happy there.
Pretty much I never really saw her
except like sitting down and reading the newsprint or...
You didn't really see her?
No, I saw her a lot, but, like, not really doing anything.
Sometimes were you not allowed outside?
Not that I wasn't allowed, I just didn't get to wha--
not that I was -- he didn't say, "No, you can't go outside,"
but he just didn't take me anywhere.
♪♪
Brian Chesser: Jamie said she only went out once or twice.
So it was just total isolation.
Jeremy Ibrahim Gonzalez: It seemed to me like he kept her isolated
and would not let her leave the house,
so she was very much a prisoner in that home
and she allowed that to happen.
You know, she very well could have picked up and left.
But when you look at her history
from her previous marriages and the domestic abuse
she suffered and a dysfunctional childhood,
it is, you know, very much akin
to battered woman syndrome where she's not going,
even though it would make eminent sense for her to leave.
And, you know, what compounds it is,
she's in a foreign country, so where does she go?
♪♪
I got pregnant around February-ish.
And was that a shocker?
I don't know. No.
A fact of life.
It happens.
Were you happy with the news?
Was I happy with the pregnancy?
Yeah, I wanted, I wanted more kids.
So, it's not like I was going to reject the baby.
What does [Indistinct] have anything to do with anything?
I'm working on my garden thing,
you want to talk to Christian?
[On cell phone] Yes. Okay.
Christian, it's your mom.
Hi, baby, what are you doing?
Nothing, just watching TV.
What you watching?Uh, "River Monsters."
What is it?
"River Monsters."
Oh, yeah. So what'd you do today?
Huh? So what'd you do today?
Fed the chickens.
Woke up.
That's about it.
Is this your last week of school?
Huh? Is this your last week of school?
Yeah.
That's good.
[Indistinct speech]Yep.
Well, I'm gonna try to have them mail that thing [Indistinct]
So you can come out here this summer.
I hope I, hope I can.
Yeah, I hope you do, too.
Can't wait to see you.
So I'll try to make some money and send it to Grandma,
and bring you out here.
Hopefully, I'll have a bigger apartment.
Mm.
You getting bored? [Chuckles]
A little.
Are you getting bored? No.
Ah.
[Coughs]
You good?
Huh?
You good?
I am.
[Coughs]
So what you been up to?
♪♪
Christian: One day, they came busting through the door
and then they took me and it was a cloud from there.
♪♪
I can't remember anything from there on.
There was a bang at the door and then
Ali goes, "Omalee, it's the police."
And he jumps over me and by the time he made it
to the other side of the floor, the police were in the room.
♪♪
Ali Charafe Damache: You're stupid. You really are stupid men.
You don't have, you don't have
people in America, living in America.
Believe me, when we get you, you will pay.
It's expensive.
Man: What's the purpose of this call? Why are you calling?
[Speaking Arabic]
And this is the, this is the consequences of a hypocrite.
You show me these photos, and I will shoot you.
I will put a bullet in your head.
[Siren wails in distance]
Jamie Pauline Ramirez: Christian, my son,
they took him to this little play area
and then they took me to the side
and told me what I was arrested for.
Conspiracy to provide material support to al-Qaeda.
♪♪
They let me say goodbye to him.
♪♪
What did you say to him?
Then I was gonna, I was gonna go away for a while.
♪♪
I was in my room in solitary confinement
and just another regular day,
and this girl started yelling at me, "Fatima, Fatima!"
I said, "What?" She said, "They say that
you're all over on the TV." I said, "What?"
She said, "Yeah, they said something about 'Jihad Jane.'"
I said, "Really? What are they saying?"
"They said something about you was going to kill somebody
or something like that."
And, um, they're saying "it's all over the news."
Man: We have got a "Fox News Alert."
Tonight, the Jihadist Next Door.
Susan, what do we know?
Take a look at this woman. Her name is Colleen LaRose.
She's been in here, at the federal prison
in Philadelphia since October.
♪♪
One of the COs was standing in front of my door
and she was freaking out because I guess
that the news people were all in front of the prison, too.
Wanting to film the prison or whatever,
and she'd go, "LaRose!" I said, "What?"
She goes, "What did you do?" "Nothing." [Laughs]
And I realized that, you know, people had known about me.
I had no idea it was going to be as widespread.
I don't know. It's just, it was crazy.
Good evening, everyone. She calls herself "Jihad Jane,"
a petite blond from the Philadelphia suburbs.
Tonight, a fascinating story.
A woman who lived on Main Street in Pennsburg, Pennsylvania,
stands accused of trying to recruit others
to wage a holy war in Asia and Europe.
An assistant attorney general said this case demonstrates
that terrorists are actively looking for Americans
to join their ranks.
♪♪
Colleen's indictment was a big deal.
I got inundated with calls from the press that day.
And this was a shocker.
She calls herself "Jihad Jane."
That's the name she gave herself.
I think the whole thing was fueled by the fact
that she called herself Jihad Jane. [Chuckles]
I mean, that wasn't what the press called her,
she called herself that.
Woman: New tonight, a Pennsylvania woman
who calls herself Jihad Jane, has been charged...
And because of that, it mushroomed
much more than it was.
Our big story this morning, Jihad Jane.
She called herself Jihad Jane.
Jihad Jane.
The kind of cases that get media attention are, are absurd.
I mean, they're absurd. So this is an absurd case.
But it's "Jihad Jane."
Colleen LaRose: I gave myself that name.
I take pride in my name, Jihad Jane.
They call me a terrorist. They call me Jihad Jane.
They call me all kinda thing-- Yeah, that's me. Yeah.
That's fine. I'm proud of my name.
She wasn't necessarily hiding.
When you're using the name Jihad Jane, and you're online.
Reporter: This video you see here, it shows where LaRose lived.
We also understand from neighbors
that she had a boyfriend with whom she lived.
Those initial showed up...
Kurt: Those days were terrible. I got to admit that.
I mean, I don't know how else to describe it,
but, yeah, it was miserable.
It's hard enough having, you know, a relationship problem,
but having a relationship problem
that's, you know, spread out throughout the world
is really makes it terrible there.
Alright, Steve Teeley reporting live
from the Philadelphia area.
Thank you very much. It's interesting.
Apparently, she lived with a guy
and stole his passport to give to a terrorist.
Kurt: Other than that, I don't know. I think it's mostly
just caused me more personal heartache than anything.
[Speaking Swedish]
Lars Vilks: 'Twas, um, major news in Sweden,
so when the phones started to ring.
That was the whole day for that.
Well, you mentioned the artist she wanted to kill, Lars Vilks.
He came out with a statement and I read, quote,
"I'm glad she didn't kill me." Well put, Lars.
It seems very abstract in a way, to me.
It's like living in a film.
And in a way, it's a perfect work of art
where you play the main character for yourself.
Colleen LaRose, may not look like a terrorist,
and that's precisely what has people worried.
Then the news people make a big deal out of me
because I'm an American woman.
And I have I mean, I was planning to kill a man.
And I guess, I mean,
that's not something that you see every day.
Reporter: We've heard of soccer moms, right?
But what do you call Colleen LaRose?
My question is, we know that male suicide bombers,
I believe they're rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven.
But what do the female martyrs get Pat?
The Quran's really not clear about that.
They get to wash the dishes for all the others.
This is exactly what so many Americans
have been fearful of. Is that one of our own
who doesn't assume the normal stereotypical
"jihadist look" would actually turn.
First, Jihad Jane, now the woman dubbed "Jihad Jamie."
Jeremy Ibrahim Gonzalez: When Jamie was charged, I had to correct the media
because she never described herself as jihad Jamie.
And they stopped using the name.
But, at the same time, you know, if you're part of a band
and you're not the player that anybody remembers,
you're still part of the band.
Reporter: ...taking her 6-year-old son with her.
A 17 year old when he started to work with Jihad Jane
and we have to be concerned
about this type of individual in the future.
Khalid, a legal immigrant from Pakistan,
faces 15 years in prison.
I was keeping tabs on what was happening
and I was looking at news coverage.
It was mostly about her,
how she represented an anomaly in the whole terrorism concept,
the fact that she was white,
that she was blonde, blue eyed,
and that she wasn't, you know, someone
whom a typical terrorist would look like.
Reporter: Jihad Jane, is this the new face of homegrown terrorism?
Yes, the new face of the war on terror.
That came from the U.S. Attorney's Office.
Reporter: According to authorities, thisis the new face
of international terrorism. -Federal authorities say this is
the potential face of terrorism in the United States.
Colleen LaRose represents the new face of terrorism.
Alright.
Yes, the media plays a role in this.
But the government, the process isn't the FBI.
The prosecutors fashioned her,
the first white female jihadist ever arrested.
And my client was the youngest jihadist
ever arrested in U.S. history.
The Justice Department says this points to an evolving threat.
Reporter: The indictment underscores the evolving nature
of the threat we face.
This case underscores the evolving nature
of the threat that we face.
Mark Wilson: So I think the message that the government
intended to get out there was,
"Oh, now there's terrorists that are not Arab Muslims.
That they haven't come from overseas
and snuck onto a plane with a bomb.
They are living among us, and...
I think that they were interested in
kind of fear mongering.
That she was a full-fledged jihad machine, Bill,
In many ways, she represents the greatest fear of the FBI,
a suspected terrorist who fits no profile,
a U.S. citizen who can travel freely and blend right in.
Jihad Jane is a real threat.
[Operatic music plays]
♪♪
Lars Vilks: Last year there came an Opera at the Opera House in Stockholm.
On the theme of Jihad Jane.
We had -- With just, three characters,
Jihad Jane, the artist, and a reporter.
That was a very nasty picture of the artist actually.
[Singing opera]
That's why I thought about
trying to do something completely different.
♪♪
I want to go deeper, and make,
to make a long Opera, actually.
♪♪
It seemed to be over. And when it comes to 2010,
I actually thought that I forgot.
But then came this case and of course,
this case has a special fascination
and it became kind of world news.
Everyone seemed to believe that I had done something again.
[Applause]
♪♪
I showed a video about religion and homosexuality,
a funny, funny video, because it was showing
the prophet in homosexual situations.
♪♪
[Shouting in Arabic]
And at that time, the Muslims in the room, they they reacted.
And one man came up to me, but then the bodyguards acted
and suddenly there was a riot in the room.
Police fighting with with angry Muslims.
And I was pulled out of the room and that was the riot in there.
♪♪
And then just two days later, I mean,
you had this two Muslim guys
tried to burn down my house.
And they were all armatures.
They tried to burn down the house,
but they set fire to themselves
and they left their driver's license at the place.
I mean, that's it's really on the same amateurish level.
That's, again, what I call the amateurish pair.
Okay, and this has been inspected before.
It's just that it's not a real gun.
[Conversing in Swedish]
[Speaking Swedish]
What happened that day, yes, I mean,
I was I had been at this place in Copenhagen
several times before.
Lars Vilks: Nice and calm.
[Singing]
This time we had the French ambassador there.
He gave a speech about the Charlie Hebdo case.
I just started, then, then the shooting began.
[Singing]
Woman: And the turning point, is "but."
Why do we still say but when we --
[Gunshots]
[Chatter]
[Metallic clatters]
♪♪
That is a kind of breaking point in the whole story,
when, when you have to face a reality
and you lose the idea of being a part of a comedy.
I mean, they now know we have people
that are acting on such a level
that the people actually are killed.
♪♪
Because then you understand
that you can't really talk about amateurs anymore.
♪♪
This place looks like it's shut down.
I hear that that the employment is getting better,
jobs are coming back to America.
I like Trump.
I like him because he don't care what anybody says.
And when he got the job as president or whatever,
it was a downgrade from where he was used to or most presidents
get the job as president is an upgrade for them.
I just like the way that Trump
will say something and he don't apologize for it.
When he says he's going to do something, he does it.
or he tries to do it, whereas most politicians,
when they say they're going to do something,
they just say it because they want to get elected.
I would vote for Trump.
But I do not like him
what he did with the Israelis and the Palestinians.
♪♪
Okay, you got the other one in?
We just gotta go up the road, get some water.
Water for them, water for us.
Okay. That's all.
[Sighs] That's it. Okay.
[Chatter]
It's not worth the trouble, man.
I mean, we both sit up wondering
if we died in the morning, how safe is he?
He can't get through by himself, you know, and that ain't right.
I worry about his mom sending somebody
because she can't be heard verbally.
I'm seri-- I don't like her.
I don't like his mom for what she did to him,
what she did to you.
And what she started now.
I told that bitch before she got in trouble.
You going to jail in six months? Was she there?
Yes.
Was she charged with what I said she could be charged with?
Okay, so I I'm not a profitable forecaster,
but I knew what the fuck I was talking about.
She know what I'll do.
And I've done her and don't play.
I'm not the one to play with.
♪♪
Thank you.
You're fortunate that you don't really remember
a whole lot of stuff.
About the only thing you remember
is not having a birthday.A couple things.
And your mom sitting on the pot reading a magazine.
Yeah, that was weird, but yeah, I don't remember anything.
So honestly, this isn't a big deal to me anymore.
It really was never a big deal.
It's for me, it's something that I remember every minute.
♪♪
I saw, like, a Wikipedia page on her
and I was telling her about how she was telling me
about how she a terrorist and all that.
I didn't really feel that much, but it just
nothing really surprised me 'cause I kind of knew
everything about what the page said.
Man: Do you regret bringing him over there?
Well, I mean, I regret going over there, period,
because I'm -- it lost seven years of my son's life.
Yeah, I regret that.
But I accept it.
[Horns honking]
When someone calls me Colleen, it irritates me.
I can't explain it.
If somebody did it at prison, I would jump all over her.
Don't ever call me that you ever call me that,
I will not answer to you. Don't ever call me that.
I don't like to be called Colleen anymore
because it's a part of my past that I no longer have.
As far as I'm concerned, she's pretty much dead.
[Thunder rumbles]
♪♪
Mark Wilson: It's going to be -- so these first few weeks
are going to be a little tough. Yeah.
Got to get you a job. Just be like a temporary job.
A job doing what?I don't know.
[Sighs heavily]But you need money.
Yeah. Yeah.
Mark Wilson: It's fascinating how she was used.
And yet she wouldn't complain about being used at all.
That's that's really one of the biggest ironies in all of this.
♪♪
She just likes that her name, got out there. [Chuckles]
It's sort of -- and I laugh about that,
I you know, I shouldn't 'cause it's sad.
Colleen LaRose: My old self, I'm nobody.
But with what, with what I did, I'm somebody.
♪♪
I'm Jihad Jane. Yes, I'm somebody.
That's true. Yes.
And it sounds vain, I don't like to sound vain.
But yeah, I am somebody.
I am somebody people know and, yeah, I like it. It feels good.
♪♪
Cristine: I got red, green, white.
[Chatter]
[Fireworks explode]
[Cheers and applause]
♪♪
Jamie Pauline Ramirez: You learn your lesson from the past,
of course, yes.
But to dwell on the past and saying,
"Well, I wish I could've done that."
No, it's not worth the time.
There was a reason I went to prison,
what it is, I haven't learned yet.
Well, maybe it's to learn, to learn something
about myself, I don't know.
To protect me from something.
♪♪
It's me and the Swedish king, we are in the same situation.
He has also to cope with limitations.
[Fireworks explode]
♪♪
[Fireworks whistle, explode]
♪♪
What happened, happened.
I mean, there's no turning back to the, to date.
I mean that's, uh in this country at least, you know,
I've been the youngest person,
but tomorrow it could be someone else, you know?
So it's, it's important not to let that happen.
♪♪
Colleen LaRose: At the end of the day, there was one person
who always loved me through all this,
and he never, he of course, he got hurt.
Of course he got upset.
But he still loved me through all this.
And there's no way I'll ever be able
to make up to him for everything I did.
I'm going to try as hard as I can to make him happy.
♪♪
He doesn't understand Islam
because his idea of Islam is what happened to me.
Because I reverted to Islam in 2008
and then I got to prison in 2009.
He told me, "Well, see what a lot of good Islam did for you."
But he doesn't understand,
This is something Idid not Islam didn't do to me.
Idid this.
♪♪