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See? See?

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You want it?
You want eggs?

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No, you can't reach for it.

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[Drawer squeaks]

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[Utensil clatters on pot]

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I got some Lego sets
that I've built,

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like, this is like
really cool.

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These are some dinosaurs.

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It double clicks.

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And my favorite part.

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[Legos clicking]

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No one knows about it,
I only tell my bestest friends.

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Virtually all I remember

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is sleeping on the couch
next to a gray church.

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Just going over to this place
with a bunch of people

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like terrorists or something.

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So, like, and there is one
particular thing I do remember,

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not I didn't, like,
on my birthday

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when I turned 6
they didn't celebrate,

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but the only toy I pretty much
had was a little buildable,

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Megalosaurus the dinosaur.

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Man: Terrorism is essentially
mostly a media operation.

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The act of violence
is to get your view across

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because otherwise no one else
would listen to it.

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Reporter:
A second American woman has
now surfaced in connection

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with a terror investigation

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that stretches from Colorado
to Ireland.

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First Jihad Jane, now
the woman dubbed Jihad Jamie.

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Man: And so as we watch
the mainstream press cover it,

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it's almost like you applaud
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because you know full well

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that the ramifications of that
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Reporter: You really cannot
judge a book by its cover.

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You can't tell
what your neighbor's doing.

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Reporter #2: We've got two women
that went online,

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which now they're both
under arrest.

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Reporter #3:
An American woman waging jihad.

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Have you ever seen
anything like this?

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Are these women
a complete anomaly

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or is this
a whole new profile?

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[Yell]

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Hi, baby.

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Sometimes my sister could carry
it to the far, far corners.

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Like join the Muslims
and becoming a terrorist.

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First American woman
to be arrested

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for terroristic acts
in America was my sister.

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Colleen would pretend, like,
to make a phone call,

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and I took this picture of her
to do something funny.

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So she can pretend like she's on
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or whatever she was doing
was singing.

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There's Colleen
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There's Colleen enjoying
herself, in, um, Amsterdam.

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And this is what some girl
in prison made, Colleen.

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Uh, says,
"Jihad Jane to the rescue,"

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and made a picture
of Colleen's mean face.

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[Birds chirping]

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Colleen LaRose:
I was so into my jihad
in my mission that that's all

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that meant something to me

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and I just wanted
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Being in prison,
I reflected over my past

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and I realized that I used
to be a pretty selfish person.

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And I didn't show
my appreciation to Kurt

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like I should have because,
I mean, he did nothing wrong.

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That's the one regret I have,

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is that he didn't deserve
what I did to him.

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Kurt:
Ferris is the name of the town

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there where
the radio station is,

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and they were living
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of the actual transmitter site
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[Indistinct radio speech]

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We were putting in new equipment

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for the station,
so we worked for,

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you know,
three to four months there.

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She liked to talk.
She liked to, y'know, hang out.

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Basically just seemed like
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And then Colleen eventually
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We were very happy and
spending time with each other,

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so I think we were
both happy at that point, yeah.

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Mark Wilson: That time period,
she remembers fairly fondly

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until his, his father,

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Kurt's father and her mother
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they were in an apartment,
they both needed care.

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Colleen's a fairly
social being,

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but she was tied
to that apartment

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and she started to spend
a lot of time on the computer.

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As I understand it,
Kurt recognized

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that there was an issue
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and so he decided
to take her to Europe.

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And it was actually
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that she had started
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Colleen LaRose:
I went to Amsterdam.

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My boyfriend and I
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and we were drinking
and he went to bed

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and I went downstairs to the bar
and I was drinking some more.

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And then I got on the elevator

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and there was a Middle Eastern
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And me and him, we decided
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And we stayed together
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and then I went upstairs
to my boyfriend.

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He went upstairs
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After I come back to America,

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decided I was going to find
another Middle Eastern man

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because I liked him.

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I joined different sites for
Muslim,

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for, well, for Arab lounge,

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Arab, something
and then mezima.com.

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I joined, like, a couple
other sites for Muslims.

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I started meeting different
brothers and sisters online

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in different Muslim sites,

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and they was teaching me
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and I made a lot of brothers
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I made a lot of and brothers
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and we was always talking
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I was watching videos
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The thing that had
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was the brutality I seen
against the Muslims.

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It would, like, make me mad.

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I was seeing -- I mean,
I would get,

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I would get upset.

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the blood and the bodies
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And I mean,
it was just so much shit.

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They just kept bombing them.

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The day that I was watching
the Zionists bombing

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the Palestinians and you hear
the children

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screaming and crying
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all the women and the brothers.

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And at the same time, I was
watching this on the Internet,

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outside my window
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little kids were playing
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And I was thinking to myself,

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"You know,
nobody knows what's going on."

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I was hurt by what was happening
then I got real angry

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and I decided
that I hate I hated Zionists

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and I wanted
something done to them.

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And I started talking to other
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who thought, like me.

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And then I went further
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who was into jihad.

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[Indistinct speech]

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When I first met
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I was about 15 or 16 years old.

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When I first came to America,
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High school was very different

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from what I was acquainted
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And I didn't really know how to
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Having Aspergers, you know,
I would just kind of

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stay to myself and, you know,
be in my own world.

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I did become a social recluse.

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I did actually try to avoid
people.

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Unfortunately, that led me
to just turn to the Internet.

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Man: [On TV]
This is in 20th century Europe.

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All that's needed is one...

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The first videos that I watched

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was just innocuous
religious videos,

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so I would just try
to get to know more

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about the religious aspect
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But then they became, you know,

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videos about wars
in different countries,

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about bombings and, you know,
attacks by extremists.

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I would just blame the West
for the entire problems

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that
the Muslim world was facing.

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Everything that was wrong
with the world as I imagined,

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I, you know, I was angry about
that, you know, and I wanted to,

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I wanted to know more.

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So I would be online for
as many hours

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that someone
would work full time.

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So about 40 to 50 hours a week,
I would just be online.

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You know, just watching
multiple videos.

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I would say probably
hundreds of videos.

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I met Colleen LaRose
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She was a very avid commentator
on different YouTube videos.

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It was very apparent that she
was spending a lot of time,

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just as much as me.

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Kurt: When she was
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she was doing a very good job,

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not only taking care
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but, you know,
trying to make sure

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that my dad took his medicine.

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But she did spend a lot of time
on the computer.

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I knew she'd like to play
a lot of the games

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on the computer there.

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Colleen LaRose: Felt like I was
living a double life

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and I wanted to commit
to one of them.

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And I've committed to jihad.

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Thought that he was like me,

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that he wanted to do something,
make a difference.

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I thought that he was a brother

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that was into jihad
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and he was somebody
who had already tried

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to do a couple of things
to further the cause of jihad.

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And then he was in some sort of
an army of sorts or whatever,

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who, according to him and that
he had fought for the Muslim.

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But he did say that there was
a house work ready for me

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and brothers and sisters
were there waiting for me

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and all I need to do
is just to come there.

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I met Black Flag
on Islam guiding English forums,

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and these are like
actual jihadist forums.

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He was one of the very
active users on there.

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The Black-Flag came across
as someone who knew basically

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what he was doing, you know,
he was very authoritative,

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he was very influential
in the forum itself.

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I mean, he had a certain level
of eloquence,

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you know, in his words.

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The remarkable thing to me
when I first got involved

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in this case was that.

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Just, just all open, there was
there was no coded language,

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there was no attempt to hide.

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♪♪

260
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Jan Federacyk:
Colleen LaRose had come
to the attention of the FBI

261
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because she was on social media
talking about, uh,

262
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certain types of desires
and intents relative

263
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to what was happening
in the Muslim world

264
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and wanting to do something
to rectify

265
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what she perceived
as wrongs against Muslims.

266
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And so you definitely
would have been paying

267
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quite a bit of attention
to not only her,

268
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but to others in her network.

269
00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:27,736
Well, Eli was...

270
00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:31,809
identified as somebody
who was in Pakistan.

271
00:17:31,912 --> 00:17:35,985
In her mind,
he was the technical expert,

272
00:17:36,089 --> 00:17:38,919
Colleen LaRose:
I met the brother Eagle Eye.

273
00:17:39,023 --> 00:17:41,646
He was an al-Qaeda operative.

274
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:45,788
He had a page on YouTube
and I saw some of his videos

275
00:17:45,892 --> 00:17:48,757
and I liked his videos
because they were about jihad.

276
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♪♪

277
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Mark Wilson:
There's also an interesting...

278
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there's a movie called
"Eagle Eye,"

279
00:17:55,971 --> 00:18:00,113
an American movie that's about
a fictional terrorist

280
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who's known as Eagle Eye.

281
00:18:02,253 --> 00:18:06,844
For what it's worth, that she
didn't know about that movie.

282
00:18:06,947 --> 00:18:10,503
I'm not convinced
he's a real individual,

283
00:18:10,606 --> 00:18:11,918
as opposed to somebody
who was pretending

284
00:18:12,021 --> 00:18:13,851
to be a terrorist
or a government agent.

285
00:18:13,954 --> 00:18:19,443
♪♪

286
00:18:19,546 --> 00:18:22,618
Colleen LaRose: He told me,
do I want to know about somebody

287
00:18:22,722 --> 00:18:26,105
who needs to be dealt with?

288
00:18:26,208 --> 00:18:29,591
And I said, well, he said that
Lars Vilks needs to be killed

289
00:18:29,694 --> 00:18:31,179
and that what he's done,

290
00:18:31,282 --> 00:18:33,284
that nobody's ever slapped him
for what he's done

291
00:18:33,388 --> 00:18:35,148
and he needs to be killed

292
00:18:35,252 --> 00:18:36,943
because you want to know
the crime that he did.

293
00:18:37,046 --> 00:18:38,807
And I said, "Yeah."

294
00:18:42,224 --> 00:18:43,915
[Birds calling]

295
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,957
Lars Vilks:
You've got the invitation
to a smaller exhibition

296
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in the middle of Sweden.

297
00:18:55,548 --> 00:18:59,828
They had a project
called The Dog in Art,

298
00:18:59,931 --> 00:19:03,280
so they asked me
for a contribution to that.

299
00:19:05,213 --> 00:19:06,904
My drawing you want my drawing,

300
00:19:07,007 --> 00:19:11,115
was the head of the prophet
on, on a dog.

301
00:19:11,219 --> 00:19:16,465
♪♪

302
00:19:16,569 --> 00:19:21,781
♪♪

303
00:19:21,884 --> 00:19:25,647
Some Muslims started
to make demonstration.

304
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:28,374
[Chanting]

305
00:19:28,477 --> 00:19:32,274
♪♪

306
00:19:32,378 --> 00:19:36,485
There was demonstrations
in Pakistan, Bangladesh.

307
00:19:36,589 --> 00:19:39,281
♪♪

308
00:19:39,385 --> 00:19:41,283
I had a phone call
and they told me

309
00:19:41,387 --> 00:19:43,320
"We had bad news,
we had bad news."

310
00:19:43,423 --> 00:19:48,946
♪♪

311
00:19:49,049 --> 00:19:51,776
I was informed by the police
saying that

312
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,331
"al-Qaeda had put a price on
your head."

313
00:19:54,434 --> 00:20:00,923
[Man speaking Arabic]

314
00:20:08,379 --> 00:20:11,900
I didn't know what was
actually a fatwa meant.

315
00:20:12,003 --> 00:20:15,593
It's just a very, very,
very dangerous.

316
00:20:15,697 --> 00:20:17,664
[Speaking Arabic]

317
00:20:17,768 --> 00:20:20,149
How does these things work?

318
00:20:20,253 --> 00:20:22,876
Will there be people
coming after me?

319
00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:25,189
Who?

320
00:20:25,293 --> 00:20:29,400
Will it take 10 minutes?
Will it take one hour?

321
00:20:29,504 --> 00:20:33,266
Take a couple of days
or what will happen?

322
00:20:33,370 --> 00:20:40,100
♪♪

323
00:20:40,204 --> 00:20:44,415
Colleen LaRose:
I'm just a sister, and he's had
that much confidence in me

324
00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:46,590
and he thought
that I was that strong,

325
00:20:46,693 --> 00:20:48,971
that I could go do that,
and it made me feel good

326
00:20:49,075 --> 00:20:52,389
that he had
that much confidence in me.

327
00:21:00,535 --> 00:21:03,572
Mohammad Hassan Khalid:
There was a lot of talk
about killing this cartoonist.

328
00:21:03,676 --> 00:21:06,920
I mean, we would chat about it
almost every day.

329
00:21:07,024 --> 00:21:08,819
Me and LaRose would
definitely talk a lot about it,

330
00:21:08,922 --> 00:21:11,718
and she was very excited
to partake in it.

331
00:21:11,822 --> 00:21:13,996
She was very passionate about
and I was very passionate

332
00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:15,550
about it,
and we kind of, you know,

333
00:21:15,653 --> 00:21:17,621
just look towards the Black Flag
as the person,

334
00:21:17,724 --> 00:21:21,280
you know, who would just kind of
bring this whole thing together.

335
00:21:21,383 --> 00:21:24,559
Colleen LaRose:
And then he told me that the
brothers can't get close to him

336
00:21:24,662 --> 00:21:26,768
because he's got bodyguards
all around him

337
00:21:26,871 --> 00:21:31,462
and that I could probably
get close to him.

338
00:21:31,566 --> 00:21:33,222
I told him,
I said, "Yes, I'll do it."

339
00:21:33,326 --> 00:21:38,711
♪♪

340
00:21:38,814 --> 00:21:41,127
Jan Federacyk:
Oh, that would have accelerated
the investigation

341
00:21:41,230 --> 00:21:46,615
because now you have her being
directed to travel overseas

342
00:21:46,719 --> 00:21:48,341
in support of terrorism,

343
00:21:48,445 --> 00:21:54,968
to actually plot to kill an
individual in a foreign country.

344
00:21:55,072 --> 00:21:57,385
I was talking to my brother
online all the time,

345
00:21:57,488 --> 00:22:01,975
and the Black Flag told me that
he had everything ready for me

346
00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:03,701
and he told my brother
in Pakistan

347
00:22:03,805 --> 00:22:05,531
that everything was ready
for me.

348
00:22:05,634 --> 00:22:08,465
So I was all, "You need to get
out of America."

349
00:22:08,568 --> 00:22:11,364
♪♪

350
00:22:15,057 --> 00:22:20,546
[Wind blowing]

351
00:22:51,956 --> 00:22:55,132
Cristine: There's a lot more
families in this country now,

352
00:22:55,235 --> 00:22:59,688
that have got kids
that are pulling the same stuff,

353
00:22:59,792 --> 00:23:01,103
and I'm sure they're probably

354
00:23:01,207 --> 00:23:04,935
asking themselves
the same question, why.

355
00:23:05,038 --> 00:23:09,733
You know,
what are these people

356
00:23:09,836 --> 00:23:13,737
saying to these kids
that getting them

357
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:19,674
turned their back
on their country...

358
00:23:19,777 --> 00:23:25,404
and going and fighting
for something that is not real?

359
00:23:29,442 --> 00:23:32,928
And, and what, what?

360
00:23:33,032 --> 00:23:40,522
These people came into my home,
through the computer,

361
00:23:40,626 --> 00:23:47,495
and invaded my, my domain
and stole my daughter from me.

362
00:23:51,706 --> 00:23:56,331
[Creaking floorboards]

363
00:24:06,134 --> 00:24:09,655
[Plastic crackles, crunches]

364
00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:24,290
[Plastic crackles, crunches]

365
00:24:30,399 --> 00:24:33,955
[Chair creaks]

366
00:24:34,058 --> 00:24:37,372
-Okay.
-We good, guys?

367
00:24:37,476 --> 00:24:39,926
Man: What did you think of
when you were in prison?

368
00:24:40,030 --> 00:24:43,551
What I think about
when I was in prison?

369
00:24:43,654 --> 00:24:46,243
Why in the hell did I ever
get on that plane?

370
00:24:49,591 --> 00:24:51,282
So.

371
00:24:54,285 --> 00:24:55,563
But I can't change the past.

372
00:24:55,666 --> 00:24:58,048
I mean, in Islam
we're not allowed to say,

373
00:24:58,151 --> 00:25:00,429
"Well, if I were to did this,
this would'a happened,

374
00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:01,707
you're not allowed to say that.

375
00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:03,053
So, I mean, you just got
to accept it.

376
00:25:03,156 --> 00:25:04,606
It's the will of Allah,
subhanAllah.

377
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:13,995
♪♪

378
00:25:14,098 --> 00:25:15,859
People laughed at me
my entire life,

379
00:25:15,962 --> 00:25:18,620
so why am I going to worry
about it now? [Scoffs]

380
00:25:18,724 --> 00:25:28,561
♪♪

381
00:25:28,665 --> 00:25:32,047
I was made fun of in school
where I've grown up.

382
00:25:33,911 --> 00:25:34,912
Sometimes it'd be lonely.

383
00:25:35,016 --> 00:25:37,432
I wish I had friends,
but...

384
00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:40,262
it was, like, it was this is
something I was always used to.

385
00:25:40,366 --> 00:25:41,919
I grew up like that.

386
00:25:42,023 --> 00:25:45,509
♪♪

387
00:25:45,613 --> 00:25:46,993
I've always had
a low self-esteem,

388
00:25:47,097 --> 00:25:51,998
but I have a hard time
saying no to people.

389
00:25:52,102 --> 00:25:55,726
I always want to please people
make people happy.

390
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:59,385
And why do you think you want
to please people so much?

391
00:25:59,488 --> 00:26:01,318
Because no one
wanted to be my friend,

392
00:26:01,421 --> 00:26:02,975
I wanted to have friends.

393
00:26:03,078 --> 00:26:11,880
♪♪

394
00:26:11,984 --> 00:26:15,090
I got married when I was 18.

395
00:26:15,194 --> 00:26:16,678
What age was he?

396
00:26:16,782 --> 00:26:18,784
Uh, 33.

397
00:26:20,648 --> 00:26:23,720
He used to beat me up
all the time.

398
00:26:23,823 --> 00:26:25,687
It was physical,
he would hit me,

399
00:26:25,791 --> 00:26:28,794
give me black eyes,
fat lips.

400
00:26:30,727 --> 00:26:35,421
One morning, I woke up and I
found my gun next to my head

401
00:26:35,524 --> 00:26:37,457
and he wasn't in the room.

402
00:26:40,115 --> 00:26:43,498
He beat me up and so I ran out
on the house

403
00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:46,674
and ran straight
to the police department

404
00:26:46,777 --> 00:26:49,608
and got a restraining order
put against him.

405
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:54,405
And after the divorce,
I never heard from him again.

406
00:26:56,373 --> 00:26:59,169
I had a couple boyfriends
after that.

407
00:26:59,272 --> 00:27:05,624
Um, nothing serious, but, um,
and then I met my son's father.

408
00:27:05,727 --> 00:27:11,871
♪♪

409
00:27:11,975 --> 00:27:16,496
His name was Alejandro.
He was from Mexico.

410
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,603
♪♪

411
00:27:19,707 --> 00:27:24,919
I got pregnant with my son
down in Mexico.

412
00:27:25,022 --> 00:27:28,232
I was so excited
I had finally had a baby.

413
00:27:28,336 --> 00:27:37,586
♪♪

414
00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:39,968
Cristine: He had had
a warrant or something.

415
00:27:40,072 --> 00:27:41,452
George Mott: They sent him
back to Mexico.

416
00:27:41,556 --> 00:27:44,766
Yeah, they deported him
back to Mexico.

417
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:50,392
And so Christian doesn't know
who his dad is.

418
00:27:54,742 --> 00:27:58,746
Man:
Who was your third husband?Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
Some guy I worked with,

419
00:27:58,849 --> 00:28:04,130
he ended up getting arrested
and eventually got deported.

420
00:28:07,064 --> 00:28:08,617
Well, I wasn't going to
get married again,

421
00:28:08,721 --> 00:28:10,205
I was through.

422
00:28:10,309 --> 00:28:12,242
Yes, we got married
and divorced,

423
00:28:12,345 --> 00:28:13,933
marry, divorce, marry, divorce,

424
00:28:14,037 --> 00:28:15,348
and I just got tired of it.

425
00:28:15,452 --> 00:28:17,626
Why, what for?

426
00:28:19,525 --> 00:28:21,044
I didn't want to
deal with it anymore.

427
00:28:21,147 --> 00:28:24,599
I was happy I had my little job,
I was going to college.

428
00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:31,502
I had my own place, had my own
little car, had my son.

429
00:28:31,606 --> 00:28:34,471
So I was making it.

430
00:28:34,574 --> 00:28:44,136
♪♪

431
00:28:44,239 --> 00:28:48,761
It was in 2009,
I noticed on her computer screen

432
00:28:48,865 --> 00:28:52,213
that she had this Lawrence
of Arabia type,

433
00:28:52,316 --> 00:28:58,806
you know, screensaver
on her computer.

434
00:28:58,909 --> 00:29:01,532
I didn't think of anything
of it at first,

435
00:29:01,636 --> 00:29:05,191
but then during
Easter week of 2009

436
00:29:05,295 --> 00:29:06,710
is when she made
the announcement

437
00:29:06,814 --> 00:29:12,578
that she was going
to convert to Islam.

438
00:29:12,681 --> 00:29:16,340
I remember being in the bedroom
and she just walked in

439
00:29:16,444 --> 00:29:19,343
and just blurted it out.

440
00:29:19,447 --> 00:29:22,070
I reacted poorly.

441
00:29:22,174 --> 00:29:24,555
I just, you know, I was angry.

442
00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:33,047
[Metallic clatter]

443
00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:35,532
Jamie Pauline Ramirez: I like
the idea of the Brotherhood.

444
00:29:35,635 --> 00:29:38,224
Every Muslim is the brother
of another Muslim.

445
00:29:38,328 --> 00:29:40,330
I like that idea.

446
00:29:41,849 --> 00:29:45,128
I will talk
to people online about Islam

447
00:29:45,231 --> 00:29:47,406
and ask them questions
and everything.

448
00:29:47,509 --> 00:29:51,962
♪♪

449
00:29:52,066 --> 00:29:56,415
Cristine: She worked long hours
at the doctor's office

450
00:29:56,518 --> 00:29:58,762
and she got home
at 7:00 at night

451
00:29:58,866 --> 00:30:01,903
and head straight back
to her room,

452
00:30:02,007 --> 00:30:05,665
get on the computer
talking to these people

453
00:30:05,769 --> 00:30:10,429
until, you know, 1:00, 2:00,
3:00 in the morning.

454
00:30:10,532 --> 00:30:14,467
I will read and comment on
like Newcomer's to Islam

455
00:30:14,571 --> 00:30:17,988
and watch videos
about newcomers to Islam.

456
00:30:18,092 --> 00:30:22,717
And eventually I ran
into my codefendant,

457
00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:25,547
his screen name
with the Black Flag.

458
00:30:27,239 --> 00:30:32,037
He sent me an e-mail
through YouTube.

459
00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:36,110
Originally,
he always talked about

460
00:30:36,213 --> 00:30:39,527
living in a non-Muslim country.

461
00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:42,530
Then he would send
me jihad videos,

462
00:30:42,633 --> 00:30:47,846
and then about a week or a week
or so around there,

463
00:30:47,949 --> 00:30:49,848
he asked me to marry him.

464
00:30:56,820 --> 00:31:00,548
One day I walked in the kitchen
and I heard Arabic playing

465
00:31:00,651 --> 00:31:03,413
and I'm like,
it just caught my ear.

466
00:31:03,516 --> 00:31:06,071
And it was like,
"And the infidels"

467
00:31:06,174 --> 00:31:08,004
and I was like,
the fuck are you doing?

468
00:31:08,107 --> 00:31:12,042
And I looked at her computer
and it's got all the bodies,

469
00:31:12,146 --> 00:31:14,873
all the blow ups, you know,
and America's doing this,

470
00:31:14,976 --> 00:31:16,978
and this is happening
with Israel.

471
00:31:17,082 --> 00:31:19,947
And I said, Jamie, I said,
is this something for school?

472
00:31:20,050 --> 00:31:22,742
She goes, "They're hurting
our people."

473
00:31:22,846 --> 00:31:24,641
I said, "Jamie, that ain't even
your fight."

474
00:31:24,744 --> 00:31:26,746
♪♪

475
00:31:26,850 --> 00:31:31,441
Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
He sent me an e-mail...

476
00:31:31,544 --> 00:31:34,858
telling me
that she needs to contact me.

477
00:31:38,931 --> 00:31:44,799
Colleen and him had been
communicating previously and,

478
00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:48,423
and me and Colleen
communicated together.

479
00:31:48,527 --> 00:31:53,394
♪♪

480
00:31:53,497 --> 00:31:54,982
[Message alert dings]

481
00:31:55,085 --> 00:32:01,540
♪♪

482
00:32:01,643 --> 00:32:08,064
♪♪

483
00:32:08,167 --> 00:32:09,720
[Message alert dings]

484
00:32:09,824 --> 00:32:13,414
♪♪

485
00:32:13,517 --> 00:32:15,140
[Message alert dings]

486
00:32:15,243 --> 00:32:18,902
♪♪

487
00:32:19,006 --> 00:32:21,940
Jan Federacyk:
The fact that she was able
to make that connection

488
00:32:22,043 --> 00:32:24,666
with Jamie
in these online forums,

489
00:32:24,770 --> 00:32:28,463
Colleen, is actually engaging
in online recruitment.

490
00:32:28,567 --> 00:32:30,569
You know, obviously Jamie
fell into line with that

491
00:32:30,672 --> 00:32:33,606
and actually took
her own direct steps.

492
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:40,234
♪♪

493
00:32:40,337 --> 00:32:46,861
♪♪

494
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:51,590
Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
The decision was not finalized
until about three days before.

495
00:32:51,693 --> 00:32:53,350
I wanted to go by,
I didn't want to go,

496
00:32:53,454 --> 00:32:57,768
I wanted to finish school too,
so but my mom wouldn't let up.

497
00:32:59,529 --> 00:33:01,048
What the hell?

498
00:33:01,151 --> 00:33:03,740
This lady is never going to
let me be a Muslim woman.

499
00:33:03,843 --> 00:33:06,363
I might as well just leave.

500
00:33:06,467 --> 00:33:08,400
I got tired
of getting yelled at.

501
00:33:08,503 --> 00:33:16,960
♪♪

502
00:33:17,064 --> 00:33:21,861
Well, I had one of our police
officers knocking at my door,

503
00:33:21,965 --> 00:33:23,691
wanting to know
where she was at.

504
00:33:23,794 --> 00:33:27,798
She hadn't been
at work in a week.

505
00:33:27,902 --> 00:33:30,284
And I said, "What?"

506
00:33:30,387 --> 00:33:35,289
♪♪

507
00:33:35,392 --> 00:33:41,088
I called her on the phone,
I said, "What are you doing?"

508
00:33:41,191 --> 00:33:43,193
And she told me that she was
going to go stay

509
00:33:43,297 --> 00:33:44,988
with a friend down in Denver.

510
00:33:45,092 --> 00:33:50,200
♪♪

511
00:33:50,304 --> 00:33:53,686
Kurt: I had come home in the
afternoon or evening there

512
00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:57,069
and she was gone.

513
00:33:57,173 --> 00:34:00,900
And I didn't know where she was
or what had happened there,

514
00:34:01,004 --> 00:34:02,454
but, yeah, I just got home
and her mother

515
00:34:02,557 --> 00:34:06,354
was there by herself
and she was gone.

516
00:34:06,458 --> 00:34:08,563
[Siren wails]

517
00:34:08,667 --> 00:34:10,738
The only thing that I know
of that was missing,

518
00:34:10,841 --> 00:34:13,154
I mean,
was she had taken my passport.

519
00:34:13,258 --> 00:34:18,608
She didn't take any money or
anything else that I'm aware of.

520
00:34:18,711 --> 00:34:22,543
It was like
she just picked up and left.

521
00:34:22,646 --> 00:34:24,648
So you have the purchase
of the the tickets.

522
00:34:24,752 --> 00:34:28,859
You have Colleen
stealing the passport.

523
00:34:28,963 --> 00:34:32,863
You have her making contact
with the Swedish embassy saying,

524
00:34:32,967 --> 00:34:36,522
I want to become a citizen
and she's gone well beyond

525
00:34:36,626 --> 00:34:41,286
just espousing
what she would like to do.

526
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:45,738
So now this case is full on.

527
00:34:45,842 --> 00:34:48,362
Pam LaRose: He told me
that Colleen had ran off.

528
00:34:48,465 --> 00:34:51,399
He said, "And I'm sending
your mom back to Texas.

529
00:34:51,503 --> 00:34:52,573
He says,
"I can't take care of her.

530
00:34:52,676 --> 00:34:56,680
My dad just died recently."

531
00:34:56,784 --> 00:35:01,547
What the hell is she doing?
I had no idea.

532
00:35:04,136 --> 00:35:06,069
It's your worst nightmare
because now you have

533
00:35:06,173 --> 00:35:07,622
two American citizens

534
00:35:07,726 --> 00:35:10,936
who they've been having
these conversations,

535
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:14,146
they've been engaging
in these planning activities,

536
00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:17,770
and now they've actually taken
that next step to travel abroad.

537
00:35:17,874 --> 00:35:24,191
♪♪

538
00:35:24,294 --> 00:35:30,645
♪♪

539
00:35:30,749 --> 00:35:32,578
Man: Do you ever think of
your sister as a terrorist?

540
00:35:32,682 --> 00:35:34,201
Pam LaRose: No.

541
00:35:34,304 --> 00:35:39,792
I mean, I'm glad
she is so important now.

542
00:35:39,896 --> 00:35:42,070
But I don't see how.

543
00:35:42,174 --> 00:35:44,728
To me she's still
my little sister.

544
00:35:44,832 --> 00:35:48,767
You know, same mom,
same father, same blood.

545
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:50,113
Everything.

546
00:35:50,217 --> 00:35:51,873
Except she's short.

547
00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:56,913
[Crickets chirping]

548
00:36:00,296 --> 00:36:03,368
Colleen LaRose: I felt pride,
I felt more strong,

549
00:36:03,471 --> 00:36:06,681
that I had a mission,
I had a goal.

550
00:36:08,511 --> 00:36:10,720
Something that was important,
that needed to be done

551
00:36:10,823 --> 00:36:13,101
and I was going
to be the one to do it.

552
00:36:14,827 --> 00:36:17,520
Colleen, in your life,
is there any other times

553
00:36:17,623 --> 00:36:19,384
where you felt important?

554
00:36:19,487 --> 00:36:21,040
Not like that, no.

555
00:36:21,144 --> 00:36:26,045
♪♪

556
00:36:26,149 --> 00:36:29,773
Mark Wilson: Her parents were
both alcoholics.

557
00:36:29,877 --> 00:36:33,605
Her father was abusive
when drunk,

558
00:36:33,708 --> 00:36:36,539
her mother was drunk frequently.

559
00:36:36,642 --> 00:36:38,782
They were for a while
still together.

560
00:36:38,886 --> 00:36:43,580
Then they separated,
her father remarried,

561
00:36:43,684 --> 00:36:45,927
and it was then
she would bounce back and forth

562
00:36:46,031 --> 00:36:50,415
between her father's household
and their mother's household.

563
00:36:50,518 --> 00:36:53,038
Neither was
a very good place for her.

564
00:36:56,662 --> 00:36:59,389
Colleen: The first time I ran
away, I was like 13,

565
00:36:59,493 --> 00:37:02,565
it was moved
from Michigan to Texas.

566
00:37:02,668 --> 00:37:05,947
So I just kept running away.

567
00:37:06,051 --> 00:37:09,986
I can't calculate the amount of
times Colleen has run away.

568
00:37:10,089 --> 00:37:12,333
She just had a lot of anger
also.

569
00:37:12,437 --> 00:37:17,856
You know, a lot of hurt a lot of
confusion, a lot of pain.

570
00:37:17,959 --> 00:37:20,479
Colleen LaRose:
I think I was, like, um

571
00:37:20,583 --> 00:37:27,797
about 13, I've met this guy
that had a restaurant.

572
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:30,696
He knew a pimp and the pimp
came in there one day and saw me

573
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,491
and me and him
just started talking

574
00:37:32,595 --> 00:37:36,150
and I just ended up
going home with him

575
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:40,085
and then he started me
doing all kinds of stuff.

576
00:37:40,188 --> 00:37:43,709
That's what I started doing,
drugs. I mean, everything.

577
00:37:45,677 --> 00:37:48,162
I wanted to make a lot of money
so that my pimp

578
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,198
would be happy with me

579
00:37:50,302 --> 00:37:53,892
and I felt like these men
when they came to see me,

580
00:37:53,995 --> 00:37:57,827
I felt like I was desirable.

581
00:37:57,930 --> 00:38:02,383
At that time, I didn't click
to me that this is terrible.

582
00:38:05,179 --> 00:38:10,771
At some point after
she wandered into prostitution,

583
00:38:10,874 --> 00:38:14,153
yes, her first husband
was one of her customers.

584
00:38:14,257 --> 00:38:17,743
Well, he was like 33
and I was like 15

585
00:38:17,847 --> 00:38:20,574
and he liked getting high
and I like getting high.

586
00:38:20,677 --> 00:38:21,989
He was crazy.

587
00:38:22,092 --> 00:38:23,922
I don't know who our witnesses
was or if we had

588
00:38:24,025 --> 00:38:26,407
witnesses or what,
but we ended up getting married.

589
00:38:26,511 --> 00:38:28,444
And I got married to him
by using a fake I.D.,

590
00:38:28,547 --> 00:38:30,066
a fake birth certificate.

591
00:38:30,169 --> 00:38:31,826
That he had gotten and I had --

592
00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:33,759
he gave me the birth certificate
to carry around in my pocket

593
00:38:33,863 --> 00:38:37,107
so it looked like it's worn out.

594
00:38:37,211 --> 00:38:38,764
Pam LaRose:
We went to Buddy's house,

595
00:38:38,868 --> 00:38:41,733
which was Colleen's husband
at the time,

596
00:38:41,836 --> 00:38:45,323
and he said she was gone,
she was out prostituting.

597
00:38:45,426 --> 00:38:48,567
And so we couldn't
find her nowhere.

598
00:38:48,671 --> 00:38:52,709
♪♪

599
00:38:52,813 --> 00:38:55,056
Colleen LaRose: I was a truck
driver at that time.

600
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,404
He was one of my customers.

601
00:38:57,507 --> 00:38:59,716
Well, he met me at the
what they call it,

602
00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:01,235
a "hose stroll"
it's where I was,

603
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:03,306
the street I was working on.

604
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:06,758
♪♪

605
00:39:06,861 --> 00:39:08,484
And he told me
he was going to leave Texas

606
00:39:08,587 --> 00:39:09,761
and he's going to Tennessee

607
00:39:09,864 --> 00:39:11,901
and he asked me
if I wanted to go.

608
00:39:12,004 --> 00:39:14,213
I just wanted to get away.

609
00:39:14,317 --> 00:39:16,699
And that was my perfect way
to get out.

610
00:39:16,802 --> 00:39:18,494
So I came b-- I went with him.

611
00:39:18,597 --> 00:39:22,152
♪♪

612
00:39:22,256 --> 00:39:24,258
And while I was with him,
I was going,

613
00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:26,674
I was going to truck stops
with him.

614
00:39:26,778 --> 00:39:29,574
And he was prostituting me
'cause the truck driver's there.

615
00:39:29,677 --> 00:39:32,059
♪♪

616
00:39:32,162 --> 00:39:35,752
And I would just go
from one truck to another.

617
00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:41,965
And then we got to Tennessee
and I was real sick

618
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:43,311
and I couldn't go out with him.

619
00:39:43,415 --> 00:39:48,351
♪♪

620
00:39:48,455 --> 00:39:51,112
I was sick, and so I guess
I was more sick then, I know,

621
00:39:51,216 --> 00:39:53,632
because there's all kinds
of things wrong with me.

622
00:39:53,736 --> 00:39:55,151
So I was not able to go out

623
00:39:55,254 --> 00:39:57,153
to work
with the truck driver no more.

624
00:39:57,256 --> 00:39:59,569
And they never came back for me.

625
00:40:01,882 --> 00:40:04,229
'Cause I was sick and I didn't
have nowhere to go,

626
00:40:04,332 --> 00:40:07,163
and I went to this restaurant
and this one lady

627
00:40:07,266 --> 00:40:11,443
came up to me and she asked me,
"Are you okay?"

628
00:40:11,547 --> 00:40:14,204
When I encountered
Colleen LaRose,

629
00:40:14,308 --> 00:40:19,106
I was a counselor at the runaway
house in Memphis, Tennessee.

630
00:40:19,209 --> 00:40:22,420
She had told me that she had
started prostituting

631
00:40:22,523 --> 00:40:24,042
around 14 years of age

632
00:40:24,145 --> 00:40:29,323
and had basically been
on the streets since age 13.

633
00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,843
And one thing that had
contributed to that

634
00:40:31,946 --> 00:40:36,813
was the dysfunction
within her family unit.

635
00:40:36,917 --> 00:40:42,025
So I did call Richard LaRose,
Colleen's father.

636
00:40:42,129 --> 00:40:45,960
One reason this case
stuck out in my mind so much

637
00:40:46,064 --> 00:40:50,517
was when I on the phone told him
about the allegations

638
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:53,520
that she had made
towards him of sexual abuse.

639
00:40:53,623 --> 00:40:55,625
He admitted it to me.

640
00:40:55,729 --> 00:40:57,972
Matter of fact,
he used the words that,

641
00:40:58,076 --> 00:41:00,250
"Yes, I did rape my daughters."

642
00:41:00,354 --> 00:41:05,980
♪♪

643
00:41:06,084 --> 00:41:11,917
♪♪

644
00:41:12,021 --> 00:41:15,645
Pam LaRose:
In my eyes, Richard it was
nothing but a lousy, drunk,

645
00:41:15,749 --> 00:41:21,582
lazy, abusive to my mother,
abusive to us children,

646
00:41:21,686 --> 00:41:25,068
but he never physically
would hit us,

647
00:41:25,172 --> 00:41:28,865
but he would do other sexual
stuff to my sister and I.

648
00:41:28,969 --> 00:41:31,281
♪♪

649
00:41:31,385 --> 00:41:33,214
It started when I was nine,

650
00:41:33,318 --> 00:41:37,425
and I think Colleen was six
or seven when it started.

651
00:41:37,529 --> 00:41:42,016
I think she was seven when he
started messing with her.

652
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,397
Colleen LaRose: I remember one
time when I was seven,

653
00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:45,226
he came to my bed
and I guess

654
00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:47,953
he was
he was touching me or whatever,

655
00:41:48,057 --> 00:41:50,335
and he asked me
if I ever been fucked.

656
00:41:50,438 --> 00:41:52,061
And I told him, "No."

657
00:41:52,164 --> 00:41:54,270
I don't remember
what happened after that.

658
00:41:54,373 --> 00:41:57,549
It just, I blocked it out.

659
00:41:57,653 --> 00:42:01,898
I always got real nauseous
at my stomach.

660
00:42:02,002 --> 00:42:07,041
Him just doing stuff to me,
nasty stuff.

661
00:42:07,145 --> 00:42:11,598
Just about every...
about twice a week.

662
00:42:11,701 --> 00:42:14,601
Colleen LaRose:
I remember one time when my,
my mother and my step dad

663
00:42:14,704 --> 00:42:16,050
was driving me and my sister,

664
00:42:16,154 --> 00:42:19,226
my brother back to my real dad
and his wife

665
00:42:19,329 --> 00:42:20,848
and I was in
the back seat of the car.

666
00:42:20,952 --> 00:42:22,470
I just started to cry
because I knew

667
00:42:22,574 --> 00:42:25,232
what was going to be
waiting for me when I got there.

668
00:42:27,683 --> 00:42:30,996
Olive Mannino: So he confirmed
to me that her allegations

669
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:34,413
were true about
the incestuous relationship

670
00:42:34,517 --> 00:42:37,140
that he had with his children.

671
00:42:37,244 --> 00:42:40,765
I did hand her the phone
and Colleen confronted

672
00:42:40,868 --> 00:42:45,045
her father and she was very
angry and she was very tearful

673
00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:49,083
and I just remember
that conversation so vividly.

674
00:42:49,187 --> 00:42:51,085
And I remember her screaming
into the phone

675
00:42:51,189 --> 00:42:54,537
while I stood there beside her
and she was yelling at him,

676
00:42:54,641 --> 00:42:56,159
"Why did you do this to me?

677
00:42:56,263 --> 00:42:58,299
Why did you mess me up like
this?

678
00:42:58,403 --> 00:43:00,888
Don't you see
what you've done to me?"

679
00:43:00,992 --> 00:43:04,892
And she was so angry and so full
of rage towards him.

680
00:43:04,996 --> 00:43:08,102
And I remember her
slamming down the phone

681
00:43:08,206 --> 00:43:10,346
and then just embracing me

682
00:43:10,449 --> 00:43:13,556
and crying
and crying and sobbing.

683
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:16,386
And it was just like years
of abuse

684
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:18,734
she was trying to let out.

685
00:43:18,837 --> 00:43:24,015
♪♪

686
00:43:24,118 --> 00:43:27,225
Colleen LaRose:
It was just a part of my --
I consider everything in my life

687
00:43:27,328 --> 00:43:29,399
is been a big adventure.

688
00:43:31,125 --> 00:43:33,334
And so it was just part of me
growing up,

689
00:43:33,438 --> 00:43:35,405
it's what I had to go through.

690
00:43:36,441 --> 00:43:41,757
[Cars whooshing by]

691
00:44:04,607 --> 00:44:08,128
May I speak to Mark, please?

692
00:44:08,231 --> 00:44:09,785
This is [Chuckles]

693
00:44:09,888 --> 00:44:11,269
This is Fatima.

694
00:44:13,029 --> 00:44:15,204
[Laughs]

695
00:44:16,446 --> 00:44:18,414
Okay, I'll wait.

696
00:44:25,870 --> 00:44:27,181
Hello, Mark?

697
00:44:27,285 --> 00:44:29,149
Hey, it's me.

698
00:44:29,252 --> 00:44:30,875
I'm free.

699
00:44:32,393 --> 00:44:34,119
I'm coming home.

700
00:44:35,362 --> 00:44:39,607
[Cars continue whooshing by]

701
00:45:03,562 --> 00:45:07,049
This is Muslimah.

702
00:45:07,152 --> 00:45:08,740
This is Abdullah, he's pink

703
00:45:08,844 --> 00:45:12,054
because he's in touch
with his feminine side.

704
00:45:12,157 --> 00:45:14,504
And this is Frenchie,
he's deformed.

705
00:45:14,608 --> 00:45:18,750
So Frenchie is the gay dog.
[Laughs]

706
00:45:19,613 --> 00:45:21,166
I tell you,
I'd say y'all can't imagine

707
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:23,859
that a terrorist sleeping
with stuffed animals. [Laughs]

708
00:45:28,967 --> 00:45:32,591
Yeah, everybody should.
It keeps you calm at night.

709
00:45:32,695 --> 00:45:34,179
And when I was in the shoe,
I didn't have them,

710
00:45:34,283 --> 00:45:36,112
I would get a towel
and I would bundle it up

711
00:45:36,216 --> 00:45:39,046
and I would hold the towel
like I held my cat

712
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:42,360
and sleep with that.
[Laughs]

713
00:45:42,463 --> 00:45:45,501
Guess it's like
a security thing.

714
00:45:51,507 --> 00:45:55,649
This is my bucket list
for when I get out.

715
00:45:55,753 --> 00:45:59,929
Find my baby Daw Savage,
go to Zim's Facebook page,

716
00:46:00,033 --> 00:46:03,968
copy pics for her.
Keep in touch with my babies.

717
00:46:04,071 --> 00:46:09,387
It'll be Breezy, Jalin, Max,
Tatiana, Meeco,

718
00:46:09,490 --> 00:46:13,253
and of course, most important,
my sweet baby Zimmy.

719
00:46:13,356 --> 00:46:15,324
Oh, there is a new disease.

720
00:46:15,427 --> 00:46:17,705
I heard about a lot of girls
heard about it.

721
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:19,707
It's called blue waffle,
women get it.

722
00:46:19,811 --> 00:46:23,539
It's like it's a sexually
transmitted disease.

723
00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:25,265
That's what they said.

724
00:46:25,368 --> 00:46:27,819
And we all don't know
if that's a real thing

725
00:46:27,923 --> 00:46:29,787
or if people are just
making it up.

726
00:46:29,890 --> 00:46:31,719
Yeah, we just we never
heard of it.

727
00:46:31,823 --> 00:46:33,031
We want to see what it is

728
00:46:33,135 --> 00:46:34,515
and how you get it
and how to get rid of it

729
00:46:34,619 --> 00:46:37,001
and what it what
does it do to you?

730
00:46:37,104 --> 00:46:40,625
Research in minute detail
the situation in Palestine,

731
00:46:40,728 --> 00:46:43,973
how it used to be
before the Zionists invaded

732
00:46:44,077 --> 00:46:46,493
and the situation
they are in now.

733
00:47:03,027 --> 00:47:05,443
Man: When you were in prison,
what did you think about

734
00:47:05,546 --> 00:47:07,238
the event at Waterford
and what had happened?

735
00:47:07,341 --> 00:47:10,206
I was proud of myself
because I told my brother

736
00:47:10,310 --> 00:47:13,382
that I was willing to do
what he asked me to do.

737
00:47:13,485 --> 00:47:15,867
I knew he was proud of me.

738
00:47:15,971 --> 00:47:24,634
♪♪

739
00:47:24,738 --> 00:47:26,602
When I wrote him
Waterford he came

740
00:47:26,705 --> 00:47:29,329
to get me at the airport,
he told me, he says,

741
00:47:29,432 --> 00:47:32,573
"I feel that you went
from YouTube to Ireland."

742
00:47:32,677 --> 00:47:34,092
I go,
"I can't believe I'm here."

743
00:47:34,196 --> 00:47:40,029
♪♪

744
00:47:40,133 --> 00:47:41,928
I got into the back seat
because, oh, sister,

745
00:47:42,031 --> 00:47:43,377
don't sit beside brother
on the car,

746
00:47:43,481 --> 00:47:45,345
we sit behind and I sat behind,

747
00:47:45,448 --> 00:47:47,761
he didn't talk to me.

748
00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:51,454
But he didn't
and he was very quiet.

749
00:47:51,558 --> 00:47:53,836
I could tell that
there was something

750
00:47:53,940 --> 00:47:55,286
that was bothering him,

751
00:47:55,389 --> 00:47:57,529
but he wouldn't tell me
what it was.

752
00:47:57,633 --> 00:48:03,087
♪♪

753
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:07,988
His real name was Ali,
and he was from Algeria

754
00:48:08,092 --> 00:48:13,752
and he's lived in France awhile,
and he...

755
00:48:13,856 --> 00:48:16,963
sort of, like,
came out of nowhere.

756
00:48:17,066 --> 00:48:22,106
Brian Chesser: [British accent]
Ali Charaf Damache was living
in a one-bedroom apartment,

757
00:48:22,209 --> 00:48:24,004
a rather rundown street.

758
00:48:24,108 --> 00:48:26,731
I did ask him
about Black Flag.

759
00:48:26,834 --> 00:48:31,874
And he acknowledged
that it was him.

760
00:48:31,978 --> 00:48:34,497
He was a loner,

761
00:48:34,601 --> 00:48:38,985
he had excellent English,
intelligent, literate,

762
00:48:39,088 --> 00:48:42,298
he had been in the auctioneering
business in Cork.

763
00:48:42,402 --> 00:48:44,887
And now, he was unemployed.

764
00:48:47,890 --> 00:48:52,101
Colleen LaRose:
Wasn't that big of an apartment
it a restroom at a bedroom

765
00:48:52,205 --> 00:48:57,382
and a front room and kitchenette
type thing all in one space,

766
00:48:57,486 --> 00:49:01,559
and that's where I was sleeping.

767
00:49:01,662 --> 00:49:04,769
Pam LaRose:
When she first got to Europe,
she called me,

768
00:49:04,872 --> 00:49:07,530
she was wearing,
because it was during the time

769
00:49:07,634 --> 00:49:08,876
where Muslims don't eat.

770
00:49:08,980 --> 00:49:10,809
-Ramadan, yeah.
-Ramadan.

771
00:49:10,913 --> 00:49:16,401
And, she says, "I wonder if it'd
be okay with the time changes

772
00:49:16,505 --> 00:49:18,714
and everything she's already
been through,

773
00:49:18,817 --> 00:49:21,579
if she could at least have
banana, you know,

774
00:49:21,682 --> 00:49:23,961
something to eat. She always
loved bananas.

775
00:49:24,064 --> 00:49:25,583
And I thought,
I said,

776
00:49:25,686 --> 00:49:28,827
"I would, What are they're going
to put you in jail?"

777
00:49:28,931 --> 00:49:30,726
We talked for a little bit and I
told her what time it was,

778
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:33,694
it was 5:00 in the morning
in Texas.

779
00:49:33,798 --> 00:49:37,422
And then the phone went out.

780
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:44,982
The next day, Jamie was there,
you know, Jamie was in Ireland.

781
00:49:45,085 --> 00:49:46,362
I had no idea.

782
00:49:46,466 --> 00:49:47,985
And then I went
and I talked to Jamie

783
00:49:48,088 --> 00:49:49,641
and Jamie told me
she had gotten married.

784
00:49:49,745 --> 00:49:51,574
So I said,
"Who'd you get married to?"

785
00:49:51,678 --> 00:49:53,231
And she said, "Brother Ali."

786
00:49:54,439 --> 00:49:56,994
I arrived in.

787
00:49:57,097 --> 00:50:01,860
Arrived there on Sunday morning.
We got married Monday.

788
00:50:01,964 --> 00:50:04,173
We couldn't have children
without marriage,

789
00:50:04,277 --> 00:50:06,520
so I wanted more kids, so.

790
00:50:08,522 --> 00:50:12,975
Uh, I had to get married
in order to have more kids.

791
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:14,597
And I said, "Oh."

792
00:50:14,701 --> 00:50:16,254
I didn't understand,
because I was just in the car

793
00:50:16,358 --> 00:50:17,980
with him the day before,
he picked me up at the airport.

794
00:50:18,084 --> 00:50:20,327
He had just gotten married
that morning to her.

795
00:50:20,431 --> 00:50:22,536
He never mentioned that to me.

796
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,676
I said, "Oh,
okay, well, that's great."

797
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:32,305
♪♪

798
00:50:32,408 --> 00:50:34,583
Mohammad Hassan Khalid:
When she was over there,
you know, intermittently,

799
00:50:34,686 --> 00:50:37,965
she was able to talk with me
through the same chat messengers

800
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:39,415
that we were using.

801
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:42,936
LaRose described that she was
a little bit

802
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,490
disaffected
by meeting the Black Flag.

803
00:50:45,594 --> 00:50:49,253
I mean, she had what she
imagined was not really true.

804
00:50:49,356 --> 00:50:51,600
There was was
kind of an illusion.

805
00:50:51,703 --> 00:50:55,500
The Black Flag was not
treating her the right way.

806
00:50:55,604 --> 00:50:57,640
At one point,
I remember asking the Black Flag

807
00:50:57,744 --> 00:51:00,643
if everything was fine if,
you know, things were in order,

808
00:51:00,747 --> 00:51:02,369
and he said that everything
was in order

809
00:51:02,473 --> 00:51:03,750
and he was very busy with stuff

810
00:51:03,853 --> 00:51:06,856
and he was taking
care of everyone.

811
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,826
Colleen LaRose:
I didn't think that we had time
for a private life,

812
00:51:10,929 --> 00:51:14,140
for our own life
when we had things to do.

813
00:51:14,243 --> 00:51:15,451
He's moving on with his life
and here

814
00:51:15,555 --> 00:51:17,488
I am holding my life back

815
00:51:17,591 --> 00:51:19,731
so I can do
what I was supposed to do.

816
00:51:19,835 --> 00:51:21,768
And here he is
on getting married.

817
00:51:21,871 --> 00:51:25,289
Like why you're supposed to be
doing this? What are you doing?

818
00:51:25,392 --> 00:51:30,087
[Windshield wipers ticking]

819
00:51:51,038 --> 00:51:52,488
That was one of
the last messages

820
00:51:52,592 --> 00:51:54,801
I sent to my brother
in Pakistan.

821
00:51:57,044 --> 00:52:01,980
I was trying to reassure him
that I am strong

822
00:52:02,084 --> 00:52:03,810
and I would not let him down.

823
00:52:03,913 --> 00:52:06,951
♪♪

824
00:52:07,054 --> 00:52:09,781
And I wanted him to know
that I'm not, I'm not afraid.

825
00:52:09,885 --> 00:52:11,438
I would do it.

826
00:52:11,542 --> 00:52:16,788
♪♪

827
00:52:16,892 --> 00:52:21,207
She was she was a comic,
she was comical, she was funny.

828
00:52:22,967 --> 00:52:27,523
But I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be
friends with her.

829
00:52:27,627 --> 00:52:30,699
But I mean, she made me laugh
and she was comical the way

830
00:52:30,802 --> 00:52:32,494
she did things,
the way she spoke.

831
00:52:32,597 --> 00:52:37,844
I mean, she just kept on
running a million miles an hour.

832
00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:45,852
Colleen LaRose:
Jamie was not allowed
to leave the apartment

833
00:52:45,955 --> 00:52:48,820
and I did not want to stay
in the house all the time,

834
00:52:48,924 --> 00:52:51,651
so I would go in the daytime
to different stores, whatever,

835
00:52:51,754 --> 00:52:54,964
and when I would come back Jamie
would still be there alone.

836
00:52:55,068 --> 00:52:57,553
And I felt bad for her
because I'm the type of person

837
00:52:57,657 --> 00:53:00,522
that I'll do what my brothers
tell me to do,

838
00:53:00,625 --> 00:53:02,524
but they're going to respect me.

839
00:53:02,627 --> 00:53:04,457
And they're going to
take care of me

840
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,148
like they would take care
of your sister

841
00:53:06,252 --> 00:53:08,633
and take care of your mother,
take care of your aunt.

842
00:53:08,737 --> 00:53:11,291
They're not going to treat me
like I'm a dog.

843
00:53:17,539 --> 00:53:22,958
♪♪

844
00:53:23,061 --> 00:53:28,446
♪♪

845
00:53:28,550 --> 00:53:31,311
Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
They really didn't hang out
together that much.

846
00:53:31,415 --> 00:53:34,314
I mean, he told her
how to get to places,

847
00:53:34,418 --> 00:53:38,663
but he didn't hang out with her.

848
00:53:38,767 --> 00:53:42,253
He told me he didn't like her.

849
00:53:42,357 --> 00:53:46,568
I mean, he just I thought
I thought he was like a leader,

850
00:53:46,671 --> 00:53:47,983
like a leader.

851
00:53:48,086 --> 00:53:49,571
And that he had everything
under control,

852
00:53:49,674 --> 00:53:52,574
he had people under him,
and that he could teach me.

853
00:53:52,677 --> 00:53:54,886
But it turned out
he wasn't that at all.

854
00:53:58,062 --> 00:54:00,029
He was a liar. Period.

855
00:54:00,133 --> 00:54:01,893
He lied to all of us.

856
00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:07,071
And it was like, even, like,
when I talked to my brother

857
00:54:07,174 --> 00:54:08,762
in Pakistan, and I told him,

858
00:54:08,866 --> 00:54:11,144
"What did I Ali tell you
that he was going to do?"

859
00:54:11,248 --> 00:54:12,387
And he said,
"Well, he told me

860
00:54:12,490 --> 00:54:14,320
the same thing
that he told you."

861
00:54:14,423 --> 00:54:16,839
So I said, "Well, I mean,
he, he, he didn't do it."

862
00:54:16,943 --> 00:54:21,568
He said,
"Well, what's going on?"

863
00:54:21,672 --> 00:54:23,536
But I didn't back down.

864
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:26,815
So, I mean, it left him just
standing there looking foolish

865
00:54:26,918 --> 00:54:30,750
because he didn't have anything
ready, and I was ready.

866
00:54:30,853 --> 00:54:37,204
♪♪

867
00:54:37,308 --> 00:54:43,659
♪♪

868
00:54:43,763 --> 00:54:46,904
So I was just waiting
and waiting and waiting,

869
00:54:47,007 --> 00:54:52,116
and it's like, finally I need
to go do something.

870
00:54:52,219 --> 00:54:55,050
So I went to the library,
I got on the Internet

871
00:54:55,153 --> 00:54:58,536
and I went to the FBI website.

872
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,607
And then I wrote to them
and I told them,

873
00:55:00,711 --> 00:55:04,853
I said, "Look,
if you let me come home,

874
00:55:04,956 --> 00:55:07,442
I'll tell you the truth
that you want to know."

875
00:55:07,545 --> 00:55:12,723
♪♪

876
00:55:12,826 --> 00:55:16,520
We didn't Ali just took her
to the airport and she's gone.

877
00:55:16,623 --> 00:55:18,487
Never heard from her again.

878
00:55:18,591 --> 00:55:26,599
♪♪

879
00:55:26,702 --> 00:55:34,848
♪♪

880
00:55:34,952 --> 00:55:36,436
How much trouble I was
gonna get into?

881
00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:38,265
No, I did not know.

882
00:55:38,369 --> 00:55:40,164
It's just, like, you know, the
planning of killing that man,

883
00:55:40,267 --> 00:55:43,236
I didn't think that was illegal
because I didn't do it.

884
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:44,686
I didn't follow through.

885
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:46,895
But apparently
that's called conspiracy.

886
00:55:46,998 --> 00:55:48,241
And that's just as bad as

887
00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:50,726
actually carrying it
through almost.

888
00:55:50,830 --> 00:55:58,113
♪♪

889
00:55:58,216 --> 00:56:00,874
For you know what I the
impression I get

890
00:56:00,978 --> 00:56:03,739
for her the minute she came back
to the United States,

891
00:56:03,843 --> 00:56:06,466
that episode was over
in her life.

892
00:56:06,570 --> 00:56:09,814
And so she would talk
to the agents about it

893
00:56:09,918 --> 00:56:11,644
and then they would let her
go home and that was it.

894
00:56:11,747 --> 00:56:13,335
She would go back
and live with Kurt.

895
00:56:13,439 --> 00:56:16,200
I think she really that's,
that's the way she perceived it.

896
00:56:16,303 --> 00:56:18,444
[Thunder crashes]

897
00:56:18,547 --> 00:56:20,998
And then when my lawyer told me
that I was looking at life

898
00:56:21,101 --> 00:56:25,451
I was like, "What the heck,
I didn't even do anything."

899
00:56:25,554 --> 00:56:28,902
The FBI told me, "This is
a little bit of trouble,

900
00:56:29,006 --> 00:56:31,871
this is a lot of trouble,
you're right here."

901
00:56:31,974 --> 00:56:40,189
♪♪

902
00:56:45,367 --> 00:56:48,750
[Wind rushing]

903
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,143
Jamie Pauline Ramirez: After,
after we decided to get married,

904
00:57:03,247 --> 00:57:06,768
the jihad aspect
of our conversations

905
00:57:06,871 --> 00:57:10,772
pretty much got put
on the back burner.

906
00:57:10,875 --> 00:57:13,602
Did he discuss
jihad with you?

907
00:57:13,706 --> 00:57:15,673
After we decided
to get married, no.

908
00:57:15,777 --> 00:57:19,436
Very little,
I'll say very little.

909
00:57:19,539 --> 00:57:21,886
Was it a loving relationship
that you had?

910
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:23,750
Loving? No.

911
00:57:25,372 --> 00:57:28,893
Mnh-mnh.

912
00:57:28,997 --> 00:57:30,447
Why not?

913
00:57:30,550 --> 00:57:32,690
I don't know.

914
00:57:32,794 --> 00:57:34,416
He was very quiet
and very distant.

915
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,453
He didn't talk to me.

916
00:57:38,213 --> 00:57:39,939
Maybe 10 sentences.

917
00:57:40,042 --> 00:57:43,460
Maybe I'm exaggerating a little
bit, but it was very little.

918
00:57:45,841 --> 00:57:49,224
He wasn't, he wasn't violent
towards me, he just didn't talk.

919
00:57:49,327 --> 00:57:51,191
I mean, I didn't like
the way he treated my son.

920
00:57:51,295 --> 00:57:54,850
He was mean to my son.

921
00:57:54,954 --> 00:57:57,335
I didn't like that at all.

922
00:57:57,439 --> 00:58:04,550
Basically, it sounds like
that Ali's, uh,

923
00:58:04,653 --> 00:58:09,831
taking control of the child
was the biggest factor

924
00:58:09,934 --> 00:58:11,557
in the life
in that apartment.

925
00:58:11,660 --> 00:58:14,767
He, you know,
he fashions some gun

926
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:17,114
for the, for the young child,

927
00:58:17,217 --> 00:58:18,771
and he was, he was essentially

928
00:58:18,874 --> 00:58:20,566
like starting
to totally inculcate him,

929
00:58:20,669 --> 00:58:23,465
taking him places,
leaving him behind.

930
00:58:29,022 --> 00:58:31,956
Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
A lot of times he would take
my son to the park

931
00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:34,545
and I would be left at home.

932
00:58:34,649 --> 00:58:40,068
Cook and then clean and then
look on the Internet.

933
00:58:42,726 --> 00:58:44,555
Christian:
I have no clue if my mom
was happy there.

934
00:58:44,659 --> 00:58:46,212
Pretty much I never
really saw her

935
00:58:46,315 --> 00:58:52,770
except like sitting down
and reading the newsprint or...

936
00:58:52,874 --> 00:58:55,221
You didn't really see her?

937
00:58:55,324 --> 00:59:00,122
No, I saw her a lot, but,
like, not really doing anything.

938
00:59:03,988 --> 00:59:07,095
Sometimes were you not
allowed outside?

939
00:59:07,198 --> 00:59:09,166
Not that I wasn't allowed,
I just didn't get to wha--

940
00:59:09,269 --> 00:59:14,412
not that I was -- he didn't say,
"No, you can't go outside,"

941
00:59:14,516 --> 00:59:16,622
but he just didn't
take me anywhere.

942
00:59:16,725 --> 00:59:23,801
♪♪

943
00:59:23,905 --> 00:59:28,495
Brian Chesser:
Jamie said she only went out
once or twice.

944
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,913
So it was just total isolation.

945
00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:36,918
Jeremy Ibrahim Gonzalez:
It seemed to me like
he kept her isolated

946
00:59:37,021 --> 00:59:39,817
and would not let her
leave the house,

947
00:59:39,921 --> 00:59:43,269
so she was very much
a prisoner in that home

948
00:59:43,372 --> 00:59:45,547
and she allowed that to happen.

949
00:59:45,651 --> 00:59:50,379
You know, she very well
could have picked up and left.

950
00:59:50,483 --> 00:59:52,105
But when you look at her history

951
00:59:52,209 --> 00:59:54,452
from her previous marriages
and the domestic abuse

952
00:59:54,556 --> 00:59:57,421
she suffered
and a dysfunctional childhood,

953
00:59:57,524 --> 00:59:59,181
it is, you know, very much akin

954
00:59:59,285 --> 01:00:01,736
to battered woman syndrome
where she's not going,

955
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:06,395
even though it would make
eminent sense for her to leave.

956
01:00:06,499 --> 01:00:08,363
And, you know,
what compounds it is,

957
01:00:08,466 --> 01:00:12,505
she's in a foreign country,
so where does she go?

958
01:00:12,609 --> 01:00:20,547
♪♪

959
01:00:20,651 --> 01:00:24,966
I got pregnant
around February-ish.

960
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:26,864
And was that a shocker?

961
01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:33,215
I don't know. No.

962
01:00:33,319 --> 01:00:35,424
A fact of life.

963
01:00:35,528 --> 01:00:38,186
It happens.

964
01:00:38,289 --> 01:00:40,326
Were you happy
with the news?

965
01:00:40,429 --> 01:00:41,845
Was I happy
with the pregnancy?

966
01:00:41,948 --> 01:00:44,917
Yeah, I wanted,
I wanted more kids.

967
01:00:45,020 --> 01:00:47,057
So, it's not like I was going to
reject the baby.

968
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,577
What does [Indistinct] have
anything to do with anything?

969
01:01:03,487 --> 01:01:05,385
I'm working
on my garden thing,

970
01:01:05,489 --> 01:01:08,009
you want to talk
to Christian?

971
01:01:08,112 --> 01:01:10,425
[On cell phone]
Yes.
Okay.

972
01:01:10,528 --> 01:01:12,703
Christian,
it's your mom.

973
01:01:12,807 --> 01:01:15,154
Hi, baby,
what are you doing?

974
01:01:15,257 --> 01:01:17,915
Nothing, just watching TV.

975
01:01:18,019 --> 01:01:23,127
What you watching?Uh, "River Monsters."

976
01:01:23,231 --> 01:01:24,473
What is it?

977
01:01:24,577 --> 01:01:27,407
"River Monsters."

978
01:01:27,511 --> 01:01:30,376
Oh, yeah.
So what'd you do today?

979
01:01:30,479 --> 01:01:34,311
Huh?
So what'd you do today?

980
01:01:34,414 --> 01:01:38,591
Fed the chickens.

981
01:01:38,695 --> 01:01:41,767
Woke up.

982
01:01:41,870 --> 01:01:43,561
That's about it.

983
01:01:47,738 --> 01:01:49,326
Is this
your last week of school?

984
01:01:49,429 --> 01:01:52,018
Huh?
Is this
your last week of school?

985
01:01:52,122 --> 01:01:53,606
Yeah.

986
01:01:55,953 --> 01:01:58,266
That's good.

987
01:02:02,442 --> 01:02:05,273
[Indistinct speech]Yep.

988
01:02:06,308 --> 01:02:10,243
Well, I'm gonna try to have
them mail that thing
[Indistinct]

989
01:02:10,347 --> 01:02:14,213
So you can
come out here this summer.

990
01:02:14,316 --> 01:02:17,630
I hope I, hope I can.

991
01:02:17,734 --> 01:02:19,287
Yeah, I hope you do, too.

992
01:02:19,977 --> 01:02:21,461
Can't wait to see you.

993
01:02:21,565 --> 01:02:23,153
Can't wait to see you.

994
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,917
So I'll try to make some money
and send it to Grandma,

995
01:02:29,021 --> 01:02:31,126
and bring you out here.

996
01:02:33,266 --> 01:02:35,717
Hopefully,
I'll have a bigger apartment.

997
01:02:38,271 --> 01:02:40,618
Mm.

998
01:02:51,664 --> 01:02:54,046
You getting bored?
[Chuckles]

999
01:02:54,149 --> 01:02:55,633
A little.

1000
01:02:59,189 --> 01:03:02,433
Are you getting bored? No.

1001
01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:09,371
Ah.

1002
01:03:09,475 --> 01:03:13,651
[Coughs]

1003
01:03:13,755 --> 01:03:15,446
You good?

1004
01:03:15,550 --> 01:03:16,827
Huh?

1005
01:03:16,931 --> 01:03:18,933
You good?

1006
01:03:19,036 --> 01:03:20,555
I am.

1007
01:03:23,454 --> 01:03:25,215
[Coughs]

1008
01:03:25,318 --> 01:03:27,907
[Coughs]

1009
01:03:31,186 --> 01:03:32,809
So what you been up to?

1010
01:03:32,912 --> 01:03:38,504
♪♪

1011
01:03:38,607 --> 01:03:42,128
Christian: One day, they came
busting through the door

1012
01:03:42,232 --> 01:03:47,444
and then they took me
and it was a cloud from there.

1013
01:03:47,547 --> 01:03:49,411
♪♪

1014
01:03:49,515 --> 01:03:52,725
I can't remember anything
from there on.

1015
01:03:52,829 --> 01:03:54,520
There was a bang at the door
and then

1016
01:03:54,623 --> 01:03:57,592
Ali goes, "Omalee,
it's the police."

1017
01:03:57,695 --> 01:03:59,421
And he jumps over me
and by the time he made it

1018
01:03:59,525 --> 01:04:01,803
to the other side of the floor,
the police were in the room.

1019
01:04:01,907 --> 01:04:07,774
♪♪

1020
01:04:07,878 --> 01:04:13,919
♪♪

1021
01:04:14,022 --> 01:04:16,783
Ali Charafe Damache:
You're stupid.
You really are stupid men.

1022
01:04:16,887 --> 01:04:18,164
You don't have,
you don't have

1023
01:04:18,268 --> 01:04:19,925
people in America,
living in America.

1024
01:04:20,028 --> 01:04:23,307
Believe me, when we get you,
you will pay.

1025
01:04:23,411 --> 01:04:26,379
It's expensive.

1026
01:04:26,483 --> 01:04:29,106
Man:
What's the purpose of this call?
Why are you calling?

1027
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:32,730
[Speaking Arabic]

1028
01:04:32,834 --> 01:04:37,701
And this is the, this is the
consequences of a hypocrite.

1029
01:04:37,804 --> 01:04:39,703
You show me these photos,
and I will shoot you.

1030
01:04:39,806 --> 01:04:41,774
I will put a bullet
in your head.

1031
01:04:41,878 --> 01:04:45,088
[Siren wails in distance]

1032
01:04:45,191 --> 01:04:48,401
Jamie Pauline Ramirez:
Christian, my son,

1033
01:04:48,505 --> 01:04:51,439
they took him to
this little play area

1034
01:04:51,542 --> 01:04:52,681
and then they took me
to the side

1035
01:04:52,785 --> 01:04:55,684
and told me
what I was arrested for.

1036
01:04:55,788 --> 01:04:58,618
Conspiracy to provide material
support to al-Qaeda.

1037
01:04:58,722 --> 01:05:03,037
♪♪

1038
01:05:03,140 --> 01:05:04,797
They let me say goodbye to him.

1039
01:05:04,901 --> 01:05:07,524
♪♪

1040
01:05:07,627 --> 01:05:09,767
What did you say
to him?

1041
01:05:09,871 --> 01:05:13,012
Then I was gonna, I was gonna
go away for a while.

1042
01:05:13,116 --> 01:05:21,124
♪♪

1043
01:05:21,227 --> 01:05:29,339
♪♪

1044
01:05:43,525 --> 01:05:46,597
I was in my room
in solitary confinement

1045
01:05:46,701 --> 01:05:48,530
and just another regular day,

1046
01:05:48,634 --> 01:05:50,463
and this girl started yelling
at me, "Fatima, Fatima!"

1047
01:05:50,567 --> 01:05:52,534
I said, "What?"
She said, "They say that

1048
01:05:52,638 --> 01:05:54,398
you're all over on the TV."
I said, "What?"

1049
01:05:54,502 --> 01:05:56,883
She said, "Yeah, they said
something about 'Jihad Jane.'"

1050
01:05:56,987 --> 01:05:58,644
I said, "Really?
What are they saying?"

1051
01:05:58,747 --> 01:06:00,128
"They said something about you
was going to kill somebody

1052
01:06:00,232 --> 01:06:01,647
or something like that."

1053
01:06:01,750 --> 01:06:03,960
And, um, they're saying
"it's all over the news."

1054
01:06:04,063 --> 01:06:06,445
Man: We have got
a "Fox News Alert."

1055
01:06:06,548 --> 01:06:08,895
Tonight,
the Jihadist Next Door.

1056
01:06:08,999 --> 01:06:11,726
Susan, what do we know?

1057
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:15,419
Take a look at this woman.
Her name is Colleen LaRose.

1058
01:06:15,523 --> 01:06:18,112
She's been in here,
at the federal prison

1059
01:06:18,215 --> 01:06:20,700
in Philadelphia
since October.

1060
01:06:20,804 --> 01:06:23,151
♪♪

1061
01:06:23,255 --> 01:06:26,189
One of the COs was standing
in front of my door

1062
01:06:26,292 --> 01:06:27,845
and she was freaking out
because I guess

1063
01:06:27,949 --> 01:06:30,883
that the news people were all in
front of the prison, too.

1064
01:06:30,987 --> 01:06:32,954
Wanting to film the prison
or whatever,

1065
01:06:33,058 --> 01:06:34,852
and she'd go, "LaRose!"
I said, "What?"

1066
01:06:34,956 --> 01:06:38,649
She goes, "What did you do?"
"Nothing." [Laughs]

1067
01:06:38,753 --> 01:06:42,999
And I realized that, you know,
people had known about me.

1068
01:06:43,102 --> 01:06:46,657
I had no idea it was going to be
as widespread.

1069
01:06:46,761 --> 01:06:49,626
I don't know.
It's just, it was crazy.

1070
01:06:49,729 --> 01:06:52,663
Good evening, everyone.
She calls herself "Jihad Jane,"

1071
01:06:52,767 --> 01:06:55,390
a petite blond
from the Philadelphia suburbs.

1072
01:06:55,494 --> 01:06:57,151
Tonight, a fascinating story.

1073
01:06:57,254 --> 01:06:59,670
A woman who lived on Main Street
in Pennsburg, Pennsylvania,

1074
01:06:59,774 --> 01:07:01,569
stands accused of trying
to recruit others

1075
01:07:01,672 --> 01:07:04,054
to wage a holy war
in Asia and Europe.

1076
01:07:04,158 --> 01:07:06,781
An assistant attorney general
said this case demonstrates

1077
01:07:06,884 --> 01:07:10,129
that terrorists are actively
looking for Americans

1078
01:07:10,233 --> 01:07:11,958
to join their ranks.

1079
01:07:12,062 --> 01:07:15,617
♪♪

1080
01:07:15,721 --> 01:07:17,516
Colleen's indictment
was a big deal.

1081
01:07:17,619 --> 01:07:20,001
I got inundated with calls
from the press that day.

1082
01:07:20,105 --> 01:07:21,830
And this was a shocker.

1083
01:07:21,934 --> 01:07:24,764
She calls herself "Jihad Jane."

1084
01:07:24,868 --> 01:07:26,283
That's the name
she gave herself.

1085
01:07:26,387 --> 01:07:29,873
I think the whole thing
was fueled by the fact

1086
01:07:29,976 --> 01:07:32,117
that she called herself
Jihad Jane. [Chuckles]

1087
01:07:32,220 --> 01:07:33,497
I mean, that wasn't
what the press called her,

1088
01:07:33,601 --> 01:07:34,912
she called herself that.

1089
01:07:35,016 --> 01:07:36,535
Woman: New tonight,
a Pennsylvania woman

1090
01:07:36,638 --> 01:07:38,330
who calls herself Jihad Jane,
has been charged...

1091
01:07:38,433 --> 01:07:40,228
And because of that,
it mushroomed

1092
01:07:40,332 --> 01:07:41,919
much more than it was.

1093
01:07:42,023 --> 01:07:44,646
Our big story this morning,
Jihad Jane.

1094
01:07:44,750 --> 01:07:46,855
She called herself Jihad Jane.

1095
01:07:46,959 --> 01:07:48,581
Jihad Jane.

1096
01:07:48,685 --> 01:07:53,966
The kind of cases that get
media attention are, are absurd.

1097
01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:56,106
I mean, they're absurd.
So this is an absurd case.

1098
01:07:56,210 --> 01:07:58,936
But it's "Jihad Jane."

1099
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,490
Colleen LaRose:
I gave myself that name.

1100
01:08:00,593 --> 01:08:02,906
I take pride in my name,
Jihad Jane.

1101
01:08:03,009 --> 01:08:06,254
They call me a terrorist.
They call me Jihad Jane.

1102
01:08:06,358 --> 01:08:08,981
They call me all kinda thing--
Yeah, that's me. Yeah.

1103
01:08:09,085 --> 01:08:10,603
That's fine.
I'm proud of my name.

1104
01:08:10,707 --> 01:08:12,157
She wasn't
necessarily hiding.

1105
01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:15,470
When you're using the name
Jihad Jane, and you're online.

1106
01:08:15,574 --> 01:08:18,577
Reporter:
This video you see here,
it shows where LaRose lived.

1107
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,613
We also understand
from neighbors

1108
01:08:20,717 --> 01:08:22,684
that she had a boyfriend
with whom she lived.

1109
01:08:22,788 --> 01:08:24,445
Those initial showed up...

1110
01:08:24,548 --> 01:08:26,826
Kurt:
Those days were terrible.
I got to admit that.

1111
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:29,312
I mean, I don't know
how else to describe it,

1112
01:08:29,415 --> 01:08:32,246
but, yeah, it was miserable.

1113
01:08:32,349 --> 01:08:35,525
It's hard enough having, you
know, a relationship problem,

1114
01:08:35,628 --> 01:08:38,079
but having
a relationship problem

1115
01:08:38,183 --> 01:08:42,601
that's, you know,
spread out throughout the world

1116
01:08:42,704 --> 01:08:44,982
is really
makes it terrible there.

1117
01:08:45,086 --> 01:08:46,812
Alright, Steve Teeley
reporting live

1118
01:08:46,915 --> 01:08:48,607
from the Philadelphia area.

1119
01:08:48,710 --> 01:08:50,160
Thank you very much.
It's interesting.

1120
01:08:50,264 --> 01:08:51,955
Apparently,
she lived with a guy

1121
01:08:52,058 --> 01:08:55,200
and stole his passport
to give to a terrorist.

1122
01:08:55,303 --> 01:08:58,582
Kurt:
Other than that, I don't know.
I think it's mostly

1123
01:08:58,686 --> 01:09:02,931
just caused me more personal
heartache than anything.

1124
01:09:03,035 --> 01:09:09,075
[Speaking Swedish]

1125
01:09:09,179 --> 01:09:11,526
Lars Vilks: 'Twas, um,
major news in Sweden,

1126
01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:14,219
so when the phones
started to ring.

1127
01:09:14,322 --> 01:09:16,117
That was the whole day for that.

1128
01:09:16,221 --> 01:09:18,602
Well, you mentioned the artist
she wanted to kill, Lars Vilks.

1129
01:09:18,706 --> 01:09:21,157
He came out with a statement
and I read, quote,

1130
01:09:21,260 --> 01:09:24,194
"I'm glad she didn't kill me."
Well put, Lars.

1131
01:09:24,298 --> 01:09:26,990
It seems very abstract in a way,
to me.

1132
01:09:27,093 --> 01:09:28,854
It's like living in a film.

1133
01:09:28,957 --> 01:09:32,064
And in a way,
it's a perfect work of art

1134
01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:35,895
where you play
the main character for yourself.

1135
01:09:35,999 --> 01:09:39,036
Colleen LaRose, may not look
like a terrorist,

1136
01:09:39,140 --> 01:09:41,315
and that's precisely
what has people worried.

1137
01:09:41,418 --> 01:09:42,868
Then the news people
make a big deal out of me

1138
01:09:42,971 --> 01:09:44,697
because I'm an American woman.

1139
01:09:44,801 --> 01:09:48,114
And I have I mean,
I was planning to kill a man.

1140
01:09:48,218 --> 01:09:50,116
And I guess, I mean,

1141
01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:52,222
that's not something
that you see every day.

1142
01:09:52,326 --> 01:09:53,775
Reporter: We've heard of soccer
moms, right?

1143
01:09:53,879 --> 01:09:55,881
But what do you call
Colleen LaRose?

1144
01:09:55,984 --> 01:09:58,780
My question is, we know
that male suicide bombers,

1145
01:09:58,884 --> 01:10:01,990
I believe they're rewarded
with 72 virgins in heaven.

1146
01:10:02,094 --> 01:10:03,889
But what do the female martyrs
get Pat?

1147
01:10:03,992 --> 01:10:06,271
The Quran's really
not clear about that.

1148
01:10:06,374 --> 01:10:09,688
They get to wash the dishes
for all the others.

1149
01:10:09,791 --> 01:10:11,137
This is exactly
what so many Americans

1150
01:10:11,241 --> 01:10:14,071
have been fearful of.
Is that one of our own

1151
01:10:14,175 --> 01:10:17,247
who doesn't assume
the normal stereotypical

1152
01:10:17,351 --> 01:10:20,146
"jihadist look"
would actually turn.

1153
01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:23,426
First, Jihad Jane, now the woman
dubbed "Jihad Jamie."

1154
01:10:23,529 --> 01:10:26,498
Jeremy Ibrahim Gonzalez:
When Jamie was charged,
I had to correct the media

1155
01:10:26,601 --> 01:10:31,572
because she never described
herself as jihad Jamie.

1156
01:10:31,675 --> 01:10:33,781
And they stopped
using the name.

1157
01:10:33,884 --> 01:10:40,201
But, at the same time, you know,
if you're part of a band

1158
01:10:40,305 --> 01:10:44,412
and you're not the player
that anybody remembers,

1159
01:10:44,516 --> 01:10:45,965
you're still part of the band.

1160
01:10:46,069 --> 01:10:49,521
Reporter: ...taking her
6-year-old son with her.

1161
01:10:49,624 --> 01:10:53,145
A 17 year old when he started
to work with Jihad Jane

1162
01:10:53,249 --> 01:10:54,629
and we have to be concerned

1163
01:10:54,733 --> 01:10:56,424
about this type of individual
in the future.

1164
01:10:56,528 --> 01:10:58,944
Khalid,
a legal immigrant from Pakistan,

1165
01:10:59,047 --> 01:11:00,601
faces 15 years in prison.

1166
01:11:00,704 --> 01:11:02,188
I was keeping tabs
on what was happening

1167
01:11:02,292 --> 01:11:04,260
and I was looking
at news coverage.

1168
01:11:04,363 --> 01:11:06,158
It was mostly about her,

1169
01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:10,645
how she represented an anomaly
in the whole terrorism concept,

1170
01:11:10,749 --> 01:11:11,922
the fact that she was white,

1171
01:11:12,026 --> 01:11:13,717
that she was blonde,
blue eyed,

1172
01:11:13,821 --> 01:11:15,201
and that she wasn't,
you know, someone

1173
01:11:15,305 --> 01:11:18,446
whom a typical terrorist
would look like.

1174
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:23,313
Reporter:
Jihad Jane, is this the new face
of homegrown terrorism?

1175
01:11:23,417 --> 01:11:25,557
Yes, the new face
of the war on terror.

1176
01:11:25,660 --> 01:11:27,490
That came from
the U.S. Attorney's Office.

1177
01:11:27,593 --> 01:11:29,837
Reporter:
According to authorities,
thisis the new face

1178
01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:33,012
of international terrorism.
-Federal authorities say this is

1179
01:11:33,116 --> 01:11:35,774
the potential face of terrorism
in the United States.

1180
01:11:35,877 --> 01:11:39,847
Colleen LaRose represents
the new face of terrorism.

1181
01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:42,263
Alright.

1182
01:11:42,367 --> 01:11:44,714
Yes, the media
plays a role in this.

1183
01:11:44,817 --> 01:11:47,613
But the government,
the process isn't the FBI.

1184
01:11:47,717 --> 01:11:50,444
The prosecutors fashioned her,

1185
01:11:50,547 --> 01:11:55,725
the first white female jihadist
ever arrested.

1186
01:11:55,828 --> 01:11:58,279
And my client was
the youngest jihadist

1187
01:11:58,383 --> 01:11:59,970
ever arrested in U.S. history.

1188
01:12:00,074 --> 01:12:03,249
The Justice Department says this
points to an evolving threat.

1189
01:12:03,353 --> 01:12:05,355
Reporter: The indictment
underscores the evolving nature

1190
01:12:05,459 --> 01:12:06,805
of the threat we face.

1191
01:12:06,908 --> 01:12:10,395
This case underscores
the evolving nature

1192
01:12:10,498 --> 01:12:12,155
of the threat that we face.

1193
01:12:12,258 --> 01:12:14,571
Mark Wilson: So I think the
message that the government

1194
01:12:14,675 --> 01:12:17,333
intended
to get out there was,

1195
01:12:17,436 --> 01:12:21,302
"Oh, now there's terrorists that
are not Arab Muslims.

1196
01:12:21,406 --> 01:12:22,821
That they haven't come from
overseas

1197
01:12:22,924 --> 01:12:25,030
and snuck onto a plane
with a bomb.

1198
01:12:25,133 --> 01:12:28,516
They are living among us,
and...

1199
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:33,072
I think that they were
interested in

1200
01:12:33,176 --> 01:12:34,833
kind of fear mongering.

1201
01:12:34,936 --> 01:12:37,905
That she was a full-fledged
jihad machine, Bill,

1202
01:12:38,008 --> 01:12:41,633
In many ways, she represents
the greatest fear of the FBI,

1203
01:12:41,736 --> 01:12:44,187
a suspected terrorist
who fits no profile,

1204
01:12:44,290 --> 01:12:47,880
a U.S. citizen who can travel
freely and blend right in.

1205
01:12:47,984 --> 01:12:50,676
Jihad Jane is a real threat.

1206
01:12:56,751 --> 01:12:59,202
[Operatic music plays]

1207
01:12:59,305 --> 01:13:06,105
♪♪

1208
01:13:06,209 --> 01:13:13,009
♪♪

1209
01:13:13,112 --> 01:13:19,981
Lars Vilks:
Last year there came an Opera
at the Opera House in Stockholm.

1210
01:13:20,085 --> 01:13:23,985
On the theme of Jihad Jane.

1211
01:13:24,089 --> 01:13:27,299
We had -- With just,
three characters,

1212
01:13:27,403 --> 01:13:31,924
Jihad Jane, the artist,
and a reporter.

1213
01:13:32,028 --> 01:13:35,376
That was a very nasty picture of
the artist actually.

1214
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:37,240
[Singing opera]

1215
01:13:37,343 --> 01:13:38,724
That's why I thought about

1216
01:13:38,828 --> 01:13:41,865
trying to do something
completely different.

1217
01:13:41,969 --> 01:13:45,835
♪♪

1218
01:13:45,938 --> 01:13:48,458
I want to go deeper,
and make,

1219
01:13:48,562 --> 01:13:50,598
to make a long Opera, actually.

1220
01:13:50,702 --> 01:13:58,779
♪♪

1221
01:13:58,882 --> 01:14:07,132
♪♪

1222
01:14:07,235 --> 01:14:11,723
It seemed to be over.
And when it comes to 2010,

1223
01:14:11,826 --> 01:14:15,520
I actually thought
that I forgot.

1224
01:14:15,623 --> 01:14:17,280
But then came this case
and of course,

1225
01:14:17,383 --> 01:14:23,528
this case has
a special fascination

1226
01:14:23,631 --> 01:14:26,945
and it became
kind of world news.

1227
01:14:29,154 --> 01:14:33,779
Everyone seemed to believe
that I had done something again.

1228
01:14:34,608 --> 01:14:37,473
[Applause]

1229
01:14:37,576 --> 01:14:41,994
♪♪

1230
01:14:42,098 --> 01:14:48,138
I showed a video about religion
and homosexuality,

1231
01:14:48,242 --> 01:14:51,487
a funny, funny video,
because it was showing

1232
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:54,420
the prophet
in homosexual situations.

1233
01:14:54,524 --> 01:15:01,186
♪♪

1234
01:15:01,289 --> 01:15:07,986
♪♪

1235
01:15:08,089 --> 01:15:09,781
[Shouting in Arabic]

1236
01:15:27,730 --> 01:15:33,943
And at that time, the Muslims
in the room, they they reacted.

1237
01:15:34,046 --> 01:15:38,810
And one man came up to me,
but then the bodyguards acted

1238
01:15:38,913 --> 01:15:44,298
and suddenly there was
a riot in the room.

1239
01:15:44,401 --> 01:15:46,887
Police fighting with
with angry Muslims.

1240
01:15:46,990 --> 01:15:50,269
And I was pulled out of the room
and that was the riot in there.

1241
01:15:50,684 --> 01:15:58,588
♪♪

1242
01:15:58,692 --> 01:16:06,562
♪♪

1243
01:16:06,665 --> 01:16:09,979
And then just two days later,
I mean,

1244
01:16:10,082 --> 01:16:12,637
you had this two Muslim guys

1245
01:16:12,740 --> 01:16:15,294
tried to burn down my house.

1246
01:16:15,398 --> 01:16:17,814
And they were all armatures.

1247
01:16:17,918 --> 01:16:20,161
They tried to burn
down the house,

1248
01:16:20,265 --> 01:16:21,749
but they set fire to themselves

1249
01:16:21,853 --> 01:16:23,889
and they left their driver's
license at the place.

1250
01:16:23,993 --> 01:16:28,963
I mean, that's it's really
on the same amateurish level.

1251
01:16:29,067 --> 01:16:32,622
That's, again, what I call
the amateurish pair.

1252
01:16:32,726 --> 01:16:37,282
Okay, and this has been
inspected before.

1253
01:16:37,385 --> 01:16:39,802
It's just that
it's not a real gun.

1254
01:16:42,011 --> 01:16:48,638
[Conversing in Swedish]

1255
01:16:48,742 --> 01:16:52,918
[Speaking Swedish]

1256
01:17:10,384 --> 01:17:12,041
What happened that day,
yes, I mean,

1257
01:17:12,144 --> 01:17:17,598
I was I had been
at this place in Copenhagen

1258
01:17:17,702 --> 01:17:19,117
several times before.

1259
01:17:19,220 --> 01:17:20,256
Lars Vilks:
Nice and calm.

1260
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:23,259
[Singing]

1261
01:17:23,362 --> 01:17:26,469
This time we had
the French ambassador there.

1262
01:17:26,572 --> 01:17:30,680
He gave a speech
about the Charlie Hebdo case.

1263
01:17:30,784 --> 01:17:35,581
I just started, then,
then the shooting began.

1264
01:17:35,685 --> 01:17:40,966
[Singing]

1265
01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:44,004
Woman: And the turning point,
is "but."

1266
01:17:44,107 --> 01:17:47,593
Why do we still say
but when we --

1267
01:17:47,697 --> 01:17:58,881
[Gunshots]

1268
01:17:58,984 --> 01:18:03,713
[Chatter]

1269
01:18:03,817 --> 01:18:06,889
[Metallic clatters]

1270
01:18:06,992 --> 01:18:10,547
♪♪

1271
01:18:10,651 --> 01:18:13,309
That is a kind of breaking point
in the whole story,

1272
01:18:13,412 --> 01:18:16,277
when, when you have to face
a reality

1273
01:18:16,381 --> 01:18:21,973
and you lose the idea
of being a part of a comedy.

1274
01:18:22,076 --> 01:18:24,803
I mean, they now know
we have people

1275
01:18:24,907 --> 01:18:26,287
that are acting on such a level

1276
01:18:26,391 --> 01:18:29,428
that the people
actually are killed.

1277
01:18:29,532 --> 01:18:34,571
♪♪

1278
01:18:34,675 --> 01:18:36,194
Because then you understand

1279
01:18:36,297 --> 01:18:39,784
that you can't really talk
about amateurs anymore.

1280
01:18:39,887 --> 01:18:47,826
♪♪

1281
01:18:47,930 --> 01:18:55,903
♪♪

1282
01:18:56,007 --> 01:19:03,946
♪♪

1283
01:19:04,049 --> 01:19:11,954
♪♪

1284
01:19:12,057 --> 01:19:19,996
♪♪

1285
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:28,073
♪♪

1286
01:19:28,177 --> 01:19:36,150
♪♪

1287
01:19:36,254 --> 01:19:39,740
This place looks
like it's shut down.

1288
01:19:39,844 --> 01:19:44,055
I hear that that the employment
is getting better,

1289
01:19:44,158 --> 01:19:46,057
jobs are coming back to America.

1290
01:19:50,820 --> 01:19:54,513
I like Trump.

1291
01:19:54,617 --> 01:19:58,448
I like him because he don't care
what anybody says.

1292
01:19:58,552 --> 01:20:01,003
And when he got the job
as president or whatever,

1293
01:20:01,106 --> 01:20:03,799
it was a downgrade from where he
was used to or most presidents

1294
01:20:03,902 --> 01:20:07,112
get the job as president
is an upgrade for them.

1295
01:20:07,216 --> 01:20:08,700
I just like the way that Trump

1296
01:20:08,804 --> 01:20:11,358
will say something
and he don't apologize for it.

1297
01:20:13,394 --> 01:20:15,362
When he says he's going
to do something, he does it.

1298
01:20:15,465 --> 01:20:17,605
or he tries to do it,
whereas most politicians,

1299
01:20:17,709 --> 01:20:19,055
when they say they're going
to do something,

1300
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:22,783
they just say it because
they want to get elected.

1301
01:20:22,887 --> 01:20:27,512
I would vote for Trump.

1302
01:20:27,615 --> 01:20:29,169
But I do not like him

1303
01:20:29,272 --> 01:20:32,482
what he did with the Israelis
and the Palestinians.

1304
01:20:35,727 --> 01:20:45,288
♪♪

1305
01:20:45,392 --> 01:20:55,057
♪♪

1306
01:20:55,160 --> 01:21:04,549
♪♪

1307
01:21:04,652 --> 01:21:06,827
Okay, you got
the other one in?

1308
01:21:08,898 --> 01:21:12,798
We just gotta go up the road,
get some water.

1309
01:21:12,902 --> 01:21:15,456
Water for them,
water for us.

1310
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,458
Okay. That's all.

1311
01:21:17,562 --> 01:21:19,633
[Sighs] That's it.
Okay.

1312
01:21:19,736 --> 01:21:26,433
[Chatter]

1313
01:21:27,710 --> 01:21:29,401
It's not worth
the trouble, man.

1314
01:21:29,505 --> 01:21:33,819
I mean,
we both sit up wondering

1315
01:21:33,923 --> 01:21:37,754
if we died in the morning,
how safe is he?

1316
01:21:37,858 --> 01:21:41,068
He can't get through by himself,
you know, and that ain't right.

1317
01:21:41,172 --> 01:21:43,657
I worry about his mom
sending somebody

1318
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:48,317
because she can't
be heard verbally.

1319
01:21:48,420 --> 01:21:50,836
I'm seri--
I don't like her.

1320
01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:53,011
I don't like his mom
for what she did to him,

1321
01:21:53,115 --> 01:21:54,979
what she did to you.

1322
01:21:55,082 --> 01:21:56,946
And what she started now.

1323
01:21:57,050 --> 01:21:59,707
I told that bitch
before she got in trouble.

1324
01:21:59,811 --> 01:22:02,469
You going to jail in six months?
Was she there?

1325
01:22:02,572 --> 01:22:04,126
Yes.

1326
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:06,369
Was she charged with what I said
she could be charged with?

1327
01:22:06,473 --> 01:22:09,683
Okay, so I I'm not
a profitable forecaster,

1328
01:22:09,786 --> 01:22:12,375
but I knew what the fuck
I was talking about.

1329
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,136
She know what I'll do.

1330
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:17,656
And I've done her
and don't play.

1331
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,038
I'm not the one
to play with.

1332
01:22:35,088 --> 01:22:43,234
♪♪

1333
01:22:43,337 --> 01:22:51,587
♪♪

1334
01:22:51,690 --> 01:22:59,940
♪♪

1335
01:23:00,044 --> 01:23:01,493
Thank you.

1336
01:23:01,597 --> 01:23:05,911
You're fortunate
that you don't really remember

1337
01:23:06,015 --> 01:23:07,637
a whole lot of stuff.

1338
01:23:07,741 --> 01:23:09,087
About the only thing you
remember

1339
01:23:09,191 --> 01:23:12,953
is not having a birthday.A couple things.

1340
01:23:13,057 --> 01:23:16,612
And your mom sitting on the pot
reading a magazine.

1341
01:23:16,715 --> 01:23:19,891
Yeah, that was weird, but yeah,
I don't remember anything.

1342
01:23:19,995 --> 01:23:24,171
So honestly, this isn't
a big deal to me anymore.

1343
01:23:24,275 --> 01:23:26,932
It really was
never a big deal.

1344
01:23:27,036 --> 01:23:32,662
It's for me, it's something
that I remember every minute.

1345
01:23:32,766 --> 01:23:39,117
♪♪

1346
01:23:39,221 --> 01:23:45,606
♪♪

1347
01:23:45,710 --> 01:23:47,850
I saw, like,
a Wikipedia page on her

1348
01:23:47,953 --> 01:23:50,611
and I was telling her about
how she was telling me

1349
01:23:50,715 --> 01:23:53,062
about how she
a terrorist and all that.

1350
01:24:00,690 --> 01:24:04,867
I didn't really feel that much,
but it just

1351
01:24:04,970 --> 01:24:07,145
nothing really surprised me
'cause I kind of knew

1352
01:24:07,249 --> 01:24:10,321
everything about
what the page said.

1353
01:24:14,428 --> 01:24:16,810
Man: Do you regret
bringing him over there?

1354
01:24:20,227 --> 01:24:22,781
Well, I mean, I regret going
over there, period,

1355
01:24:22,885 --> 01:24:27,027
because I'm -- it lost seven
years of my son's life.

1356
01:24:27,131 --> 01:24:29,512
Yeah, I regret that.

1357
01:24:38,038 --> 01:24:39,764
But I accept it.

1358
01:24:52,190 --> 01:24:55,400
[Horns honking]

1359
01:25:02,994 --> 01:25:06,101
When someone calls me Colleen,
it irritates me.

1360
01:25:06,204 --> 01:25:07,930
I can't explain it.

1361
01:25:08,033 --> 01:25:11,554
If somebody did it at prison,
I would jump all over her.

1362
01:25:11,658 --> 01:25:13,453
Don't ever call me
that you ever call me that,

1363
01:25:13,556 --> 01:25:16,870
I will not answer to you.
Don't ever call me that.

1364
01:25:24,015 --> 01:25:25,810
I don't like to be called
Colleen anymore

1365
01:25:25,913 --> 01:25:31,436
because it's a part of my past
that I no longer have.

1366
01:25:34,681 --> 01:25:37,477
As far as I'm concerned,
she's pretty much dead.

1367
01:25:39,755 --> 01:25:43,724
[Thunder rumbles]

1368
01:26:04,124 --> 01:26:10,751
♪♪

1369
01:26:10,855 --> 01:26:17,413
♪♪

1370
01:26:17,517 --> 01:26:21,762
Mark Wilson: It's going to be --
so these first few weeks

1371
01:26:21,866 --> 01:26:23,488
are going to be
a little tough.
Yeah.

1372
01:26:23,592 --> 01:26:26,733
Got to get you a job.
Just be like a temporary job.

1373
01:26:26,836 --> 01:26:29,839
A job doing what?I don't know.

1374
01:26:29,943 --> 01:26:31,979
[Sighs heavily]But you need money.

1375
01:26:32,083 --> 01:26:34,016
Yeah. Yeah.

1376
01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:36,846
Mark Wilson: It's fascinating
how she was used.

1377
01:26:38,676 --> 01:26:42,231
And yet she wouldn't complain
about being used at all.

1378
01:26:42,335 --> 01:26:46,235
That's that's really one of the
biggest ironies in all of this.

1379
01:26:46,339 --> 01:26:48,306
♪♪

1380
01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:52,276
She just likes that her name,
got out there. [Chuckles]

1381
01:26:52,379 --> 01:26:53,863
It's sort of --
and I laugh about that,

1382
01:26:53,967 --> 01:26:58,247
I you know,
I shouldn't 'cause it's sad.

1383
01:26:58,351 --> 01:27:05,185
Colleen LaRose: My old self,
I'm nobody.

1384
01:27:05,289 --> 01:27:08,809
But with what, with what I did,
I'm somebody.

1385
01:27:08,913 --> 01:27:11,364
♪♪

1386
01:27:11,467 --> 01:27:14,436
I'm Jihad Jane.
Yes, I'm somebody.

1387
01:27:14,539 --> 01:27:16,231
That's true. Yes.

1388
01:27:16,334 --> 01:27:19,268
And it sounds vain,
I don't like to sound vain.

1389
01:27:19,372 --> 01:27:21,132
But yeah, I am somebody.

1390
01:27:21,236 --> 01:27:25,619
I am somebody people know and,
yeah, I like it. It feels good.

1391
01:27:25,723 --> 01:27:31,729
♪♪

1392
01:27:31,832 --> 01:27:37,907
♪♪

1393
01:27:38,011 --> 01:27:40,358
Cristine:
I got red, green, white.

1394
01:27:41,221 --> 01:27:43,465
[Chatter]

1395
01:27:43,568 --> 01:27:45,950
[Fireworks explode]

1396
01:27:49,678 --> 01:27:53,198
[Cheers and applause]

1397
01:27:53,302 --> 01:28:01,552
♪♪

1398
01:28:01,655 --> 01:28:03,347
Jamie Pauline Ramirez: You learn
your lesson from the past,

1399
01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:04,969
of course, yes.

1400
01:28:05,072 --> 01:28:06,591
But to dwell on the past
and saying,

1401
01:28:06,695 --> 01:28:09,007
"Well, I wish
I could've done that."

1402
01:28:09,111 --> 01:28:11,216
No, it's not worth the time.

1403
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:14,979
There was a reason
I went to prison,

1404
01:28:15,082 --> 01:28:16,463
what it is,
I haven't learned yet.

1405
01:28:16,567 --> 01:28:18,879
Well, maybe it's to learn,
to learn something

1406
01:28:18,983 --> 01:28:22,366
about myself, I don't know.

1407
01:28:22,469 --> 01:28:24,506
To protect me from something.

1408
01:28:24,609 --> 01:28:31,789
♪♪

1409
01:28:31,892 --> 01:28:39,037
♪♪

1410
01:28:39,141 --> 01:28:46,321
♪♪

1411
01:28:46,424 --> 01:28:51,153
It's me and the Swedish king,
we are in the same situation.

1412
01:28:51,256 --> 01:28:54,467
He has also to cope
with limitations.

1413
01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:57,504
[Fireworks explode]

1414
01:28:57,608 --> 01:29:04,787
♪♪

1415
01:29:04,891 --> 01:29:12,070
♪♪

1416
01:29:12,174 --> 01:29:19,354
♪♪

1417
01:29:19,457 --> 01:29:21,942
[Fireworks whistle, explode]

1418
01:29:22,046 --> 01:29:28,846
♪♪

1419
01:29:28,949 --> 01:29:35,715
♪♪

1420
01:29:35,818 --> 01:29:42,687
♪♪

1421
01:29:42,791 --> 01:29:44,137
What happened, happened.

1422
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,553
I mean, there's no turning back
to the, to date.

1423
01:29:46,657 --> 01:29:49,004
I mean that's, uh in this
country at least, you know,

1424
01:29:49,107 --> 01:29:50,592
I've been the youngest person,

1425
01:29:50,695 --> 01:29:52,179
but tomorrow it could be
someone else, you know?

1426
01:29:52,283 --> 01:29:56,529
So it's, it's important
not to let that happen.

1427
01:29:56,632 --> 01:30:05,779
♪♪

1428
01:30:05,883 --> 01:30:15,099
♪♪

1429
01:30:15,202 --> 01:30:24,419
♪♪

1430
01:30:24,522 --> 01:30:33,738
♪♪

1431
01:30:33,842 --> 01:30:43,023
♪♪

1432
01:30:43,127 --> 01:30:46,406
Colleen LaRose:
At the end of the day,
there was one person

1433
01:30:46,510 --> 01:30:48,926
who always loved me
through all this,

1434
01:30:49,029 --> 01:30:51,480
and he never, he of course,
he got hurt.

1435
01:30:51,584 --> 01:30:52,861
Of course he got upset.

1436
01:30:52,964 --> 01:30:54,932
But he still loved me
through all this.

1437
01:30:55,035 --> 01:30:57,417
And there's no way
I'll ever be able

1438
01:30:57,521 --> 01:30:59,039
to make up to him
for everything I did.

1439
01:30:59,143 --> 01:31:02,042
I'm going to try as hard
as I can to make him happy.

1440
01:31:02,146 --> 01:31:05,563
♪♪

1441
01:31:05,667 --> 01:31:07,634
He doesn't understand Islam

1442
01:31:07,738 --> 01:31:13,433
because his idea of Islam
is what happened to me.

1443
01:31:13,537 --> 01:31:15,746
Because I reverted to Islam
in 2008

1444
01:31:15,849 --> 01:31:18,265
and then I got
to prison in 2009.

1445
01:31:18,369 --> 01:31:20,716
He told me, "Well, see what a
lot of good Islam did for you."

1446
01:31:20,820 --> 01:31:22,511
But he doesn't understand,

1447
01:31:22,615 --> 01:31:24,168
This is something Idid not
Islam didn't do to me.

1448
01:31:24,271 --> 01:31:25,825
Idid this.

1449
01:31:25,928 --> 01:31:35,110
♪♪

1450
01:31:35,213 --> 01:31:44,429
♪♪

1451
01:31:44,533 --> 01:31:53,715
♪♪

1452
01:31:53,818 --> 01:32:03,000
♪♪

1453
01:32:03,103 --> 01:32:12,319
♪♪

1454
01:32:12,423 --> 01:32:21,639
♪♪

1455
01:32:21,743 --> 01:32:30,890
♪♪

1456
01:32:30,993 --> 01:32:40,175
♪♪

1457
01:32:40,278 --> 01:32:49,494
♪♪

1458
01:32:49,598 --> 01:32:58,780
♪♪

1459
01:32:58,883 --> 01:33:08,099
♪♪

1460
01:33:08,203 --> 01:33:17,419
♪♪

1461
01:33:17,522 --> 01:33:26,704
♪♪

1462
01:33:26,808 --> 01:33:36,162
♪♪