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(light music)
(birds calling)

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(waves splashing)

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In commercial fishing,

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there's an element of risk in all of it.

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Things can go wrong.

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And when they go wrong,

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they go terribly wrong very quickly.

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(rock splashes)

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Well, it was a long time ago.

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It was November 11th,
1978, as a matter of fact.

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We were coming across the Bay of Fundy,

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and we ran into some very
heavy weather from the southwest.

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When I realized what was going on,

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it was when I reached down into the bilge

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to close the seacock,

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and the water came over my head.

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The captain said, "Oh Jesus,
Russell, what's happened?"

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And I said, "Bill, I can't save her."

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I said, "We're gonna lose her."

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We were another 14 hours from home,

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and I knew I had to get in the water

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and get the hell away from that boat.

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I jumped in, came up
right next to the skiff.

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And it wasn't five
minutes after we got away

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from the boat that she went down.

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I mean, she slid down.

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And it was the traditional
groan of despair.

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(metal groaning)
(water splashes)

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(somber music)

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So the boys are off and
Roy and I are together.

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Roy said to me, he said,

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"Boy, I've been waiting
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but I never thought it would be like this."

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And I said, "Roy, we're not gonna die.

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We're gonna make this together."

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He said, "If we had the daylight behind us

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we might have a chance,
but it's the dark of night."

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He said, "And they'll never find us."

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Another big sea took us.

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We just rolled into the crest of that wave

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and kept on rolling.

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And when the sea spit us out,

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I was still with the skiff.

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Roy was gone.

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And that night, I was
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I don't know how many times.

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I just hunkered down and waited.

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What else could I do?

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Now dawn comes, you know, hypothermic,

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severely hypothermic by that point,

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kind of a little out of my head.

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And something caught
my attention on the horizon.

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And I looked and there was
this large Coast Guard vessel.

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I still had my hat on.

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I can't believe I still
had that goddamn hat.

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And I stood up and I waved the hat

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and I lost my balance and over I went.

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I had just enough to right that skiff

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and I got back in and I was done.

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I was done.

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She gave a big blast of black smoke,

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and something in my mind said,

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"They've seen you, Russell.

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They've seen you and you're gonna live.

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You're gonna live."

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And they dropped the
line right on top of me,

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and I couldn't grab it.

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I mean, there I was,
29-years-old, six feet,

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200 pounds, strong as a bull,

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and I couldn't hang on to that rope.

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They came around behind
me in the small boat, four guys.

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And they just lifted me backwards.

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Every man jack turned out,

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and they were cheering.

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Yep. And I could hear them.

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(somber music continues)

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Now we've got this crisis in cod fish.

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And so our profits have
been cut and cut and cut.

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And now, the fellows that are in,

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many of them financially cannot get out.

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They're reduced to working by themselves,

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which is the most
dangerous thing you can do.

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It's not a good situation.

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It's not a good situation for a young man

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never mind a fellow that's past his prime.

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(somber music continues)
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(birds calling)

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(water burbles)
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(fish sloshing)

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People think they get fish

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from a supermarket wrapped in plastic

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and they have no idea about its source,

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which should raise some red flags.

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(equipment banging)

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Fish from all around the globe,

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frozen aboard the factory trawlers,

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shipped to China, thawed out, processed,

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refreeze it, send it back to this country,

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and it's being sold at supermarkets

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and restaurants and people don't know it.

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(equipment clattering)

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The United States fishery today

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is the most regulated fishery in the world.

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Yeah, I don't think Americans believe that.

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I think they think that all
of our fish has collapsed

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and it's the fisherman's fault

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and we might as well get fish from China

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because at least there's abundance of it.

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Well, that's not the
fucking case. It's just not.

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(birds calling)

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We've lost 5,000 jobs in Massachusetts

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and 830 vessels.

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It is perverse when fishermen
are hurting in New England

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and we're importing 90% of our seafood.

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(soft music)

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The average American
palette really needs to diversify,

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needs to expand what
they view as edible seafood.

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If Americans chose to go
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the shrimp cocktail, and
kinda just open up their minds

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and open up their palates,

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we could probably feed ourselves

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with the resources that
we have here at hand.

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We are the true conservationists

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and we are the true stewards of our ocean.

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Fish Harbour out here

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has seen fishing for 400 years

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and we're not going to let it stop now.

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(people chattering)
(upbeat jazz music)

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(crowd clapping)

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I wanna introduce
a good friend of mine,

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Chef Barton Seaver.

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He does extremely important work

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in the field of seafood sustainability.

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Just wrote a killer book.

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So take it away.

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(crowd applauds)
All right.

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My path towards sustainability
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I called up my fish
purveyor one day and said,

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"Hey, I want the fish
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the fish that I caught in the Chesapeake.

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I want blue fish, striped bass.

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I want blue crabs.

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This is gonna be awesome."

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And the guy on the other end of the line

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literally said to me, he said,

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"Kid, what are you talking about?

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We ate all those. What else do you want?"

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We really don't have a
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to our oceans, to the
communities that provide

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for us from them in this country.

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Now in America, if I asked
you to close your eyes

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and do an exercise where I
say, "Picture a farm, okay?

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Gently undulating hills, rows of corn,

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red barn, color fading."

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I mean, we get this,

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but when I ask you to close your eyes

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and picture a fishery,

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most people open their
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"Huh? What are you talking about?"

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To understand what a fishery is,

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you stand on that dock

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and you turn around and
you look at my neighborhood

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and you look at the houses
and the public schools

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and the opportunities for a young daughter

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or son to follow in five,
six, seven generations

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of boot steps to take
helm of that lobster boat.

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That is a fishery, it is the sum

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of the labors and
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And that is something worth saving.

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(soft inspirational music)

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No other place has
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wrapped up with a fishery through centuries

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the way that Gloucester has.

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It's Gloucester that has that statue

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of the grizzled fishermen in his oil skins.

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It was Gloucester that sent so many men

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to sea and lost so many men.

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It was Gloucester where, actually,

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some of the first Birds
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for frozen fish were located nearby.

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So Gloucester is, in many ways,

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the iconic American fishing port.

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(wood creaking)
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My businesses is all family.

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It has been forever.

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My uncles, in the Bay of Fundy,

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took me fishing when I was a little guy,

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and I've been doing it ever since.

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Well, I guess it's the old
saying, it's in your blood.

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I started on my own
in '77, I believe it was.

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Prices were good,

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there was plenty of fish to be caught.

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And I went to the maximum

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of four boats at one time with two crews.

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You day boat fish and
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at three in the morning,

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and you're not coming back to three, four,

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five, six in the afternoon.

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It's just a feeling of being able

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to survive the elements

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and taking care of your family.

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It's not a bad living.

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Let them bake at about 450 degrees.

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And you know what's the first thing to do

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when you buy fish?

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You have to rinse it in cold water.

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I'm gonna do one piece

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and then I'm gonna let you do the rest.

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That's how I taught my children.

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My son, my husband my father,

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both of my grandfathers, my uncles,

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my grandfather father was a fishermen,

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and the father before him.

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(soft music)

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On June 15, 1965, we arrived at Gloucester.

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It was a beautiful day.

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They were getting ready for fiesta.

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And we went into our friend's house.

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And I will never forget, as we walked in,

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there were two sinks full of fresh fish.

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Back then, the Gloucester fishing industry

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was 99% Italian-American.

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Most people did not speak English.

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There was so much fish in the ocean

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and fishermen were catching
fish in a great abundant way.

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The cod fish were selling
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I describe fishermen as birds

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that cannot stay in the cage.

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It's a way of life. It's a passion.

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(crowd chattering)
(upbeat parade music)

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Places like Gloucester

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are so important to our very identity.

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They are our history.

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One of the great mythologies
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is that settlers came here

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seeking freedom of religion.

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But in fact, Europeans had been sailing

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to these shores seeking cod.

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Family after family,

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every generation have been involved,

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in some context, either
offshore or onshore.

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This country was founded and built on fish.

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And it started here.

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Yodel-a-hee-hoo!
Our next run.

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Okay, nice walk.

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(film whirring)
(marching music)

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Well, it looks like the Russians

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have come to California.

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This stern trawler here
is bringing in its net,

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which is four to six times larger

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than an American net.

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It's capable of taking one million pounds

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of fish in three days.

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After the Second World War,

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the Soviet Union industrialized the fish.

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Nobody before had ever
thought of an industrial fishery.

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It was almost an oxymoron, but they did it.

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You know, they created factory trawlers

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that processed on board.

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They could stay out for months at a time.

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The United States
only had jurisdiction

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out to 12 miles.

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And just outside that 12 miles

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was like Chicago City light up at night.

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These Russians are
really wiping us out.

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Somebody ought to get the bull by the horns

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and get ahold of the government

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and make them understand what's going on.

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The Fishermen's Wife
Association started in 1969

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because they realized that this resource

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was being destroyed by the invasion

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of the foreign factory trawler.

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For the first time, these wives who never,

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as we say in Gloucester,
never crossed the bridge,

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they went to Washington.

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They testified at Senate hearing,

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Congressional hearing,
that got the attention

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of the whole country.

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And these woman got it done.

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They started the movement
for the Magnuson-Stevens Act.

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(soft music)

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The new 200-mile US fishing limit,

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which went into effect last midnight,

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has already resulted in a sharp drop

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in foreign trawlers.

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The United States assumed control

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over the fisheries out
200 miles for the first time.

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And it kicked the Soviet fleet out.

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We kicked the Polish fleet out.

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We kicked the Japanese, kick them all out

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and replace them with our boats.

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The quid pro quo was

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that we would accept the government

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managing the fishery.

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(birds calling)

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(chains rattling)

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When that happened, immediately,

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the government started
giving low-interest loans

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to people who built fishing boats.

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There were doctors and lawyers and dentists

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who invested for tax credit purpose.

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And it was just to make the quick dollars.

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[David] Everybody
said, "Boy, this is great,

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you know, we own all this ocean.

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Now we're gonna catch all these fish."

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Many fishermen referred to that era

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as the Wild West, anything went.

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There were rules on the books,

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but very few of them were followed.

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Life was good.

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And it didn't last very long.

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Thank you Mr. Chair.

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Peter Shelley, Conservation Law Foundation.

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I've been coming to this council since 1989

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to try to prevent overfishing

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on Gulf of Maine cod and Georges Bank.

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The issue here is what do the cod need?

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We started to get calls in the late '80s

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from fishermen saying to us,

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"You guys need to get involved here,

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because the managers
are collapsing the fishery."

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That's why we brought a lawsuit.

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(soft dramatic music)

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We supported them
because the fishermen

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saw things that were changing in the ocean

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that they couldn't get
the government people

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to pay attention to.

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There was no regulation
on the volume of fish

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you could land per day.

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If you wanted to, you
can catch five, six, 7,000,

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10,000 pounds of fish,
which people were doing.

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American ingenuity being what it is,

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you know, we got very efficient.

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And so I think we did some
damage to the industry,

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certainly through the '80s.

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Overfishing had been going on so long

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that the stock assessments showed

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that the populations
in this '94, '95 period

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as being the lowest that had ever been seen

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in recorded history in new England,

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which goes back centuries.

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A settlement was reached

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to come up with a management plan

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that set the catch levels low enough

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so that overfishing was going to stop.

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We started rebuilding the
fish stocks in the early '90s,

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which most of this came
from the fishermen themselves.

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Obviously, we don't wanna
wipe this area out of fish.

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In 1994, they went to a
limited access program

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and it locked in the people
that were in the fishery

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and basically locked out anybody

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that wasn't in the fishery.

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During that time,
they also established

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what they referred to as Days at Sea.

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The government originally started out

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with like 180 Days at Sea back in the '90s.

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And they kept cutting that

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and cutting that cutting that.

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We were cut back to, I believe it was

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160 days per year we could fish.

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And then it went downhill from there.

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88 days, 44 days, to 32 days.

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How the hell are you gonna
make a living in 23 days?

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Well, you can do what some guys did,

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is they went out and bought extra permits

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for 150,000, 200,000, some of them.

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Only the cruel joke about
that was, in two years,

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those permits were worthless

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because it wasn't Days at Sea anymore,

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it was catch shares.

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Per permit, you were
allocated quota per your history.

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The fishery service never told us

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that they were going
down that history road.

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Unfortunately, what tends to happen

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unless you have some bulwark against this,

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is that larger fleets and larger companies

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buy that quota from the smaller fishermen,

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amassing it into a larger
and larger piece of the pie

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until it gets to a point
where, the small fishermen,

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it's really not worth it for them

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to hang onto their quota anymore.

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When they told us that,

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"We're gonna do this kind of a restriction,

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because I guarantee you, by 2014,

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we are going to have so much fish

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that everyone can fish.

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And the ones who didn't sell their boats

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will be richer and everything else,"

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and we just said, "We wanna survive.

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Just let us survive."

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At NOAA Fisheries, what we do

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is manage fisheries in federal waters,

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that's three miles out to 200 miles.

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We work with the New England
Fishery Management Council.

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My job is balancing fish and fishermen.

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We have allowed fish stocks
to get down to very low levels.

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And then with climate change,

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it created a hostile environment

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for these depleted stocks.

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Temperature's a really,
really important factor

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that affects the timing
of when the fish spawn.

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It affects how many eggs they can produce.

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And since 2004, the Gulf of Maine increased

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by three degrees Celsius,

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which is about five degrees Fahrenheit.

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It's like taking the Gulf of Maine

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and moving it south to the temperatures

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that we would expect to see,

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you know, off of New Jersey.

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I knew that the job was
going to be very tough.

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And I knew that there was a lot of distrust

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towards NOAA Fisheries.

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And when you give people bad news,

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I've never met a single person

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who likes to hear bad news.

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Six generations down
the line passed down,

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and he's done nothing but S-H-I-T to us.

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I didn't take the fish
from the goddamn water.

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Then who took it, then?
So don't go abusing me!

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You and your goddamn people come in!

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[John B.] Over 20 years ago,

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the Canadians made a quota cut.

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I'm making a decision
based on the desire to ensure

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that the Northern cod
survives as a species.

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They cut it 100%,

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and the cod still haven't come back.

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(dramatic music)

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[Reporter] Fishermen and political leaders

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00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:54,029
rallied on Boston's Fish Pier

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demanding the federal government

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back off its long-planned 77% reduction.

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And we are totally frustrated

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00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:02,815
with NOAA and their regulatory schemes

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00:21:02,816 --> 00:21:04,499
and their inability to be flexible

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00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:05,719
and their apparent desire

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not to work with us.
(crowd cheering)

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[Reporter] What would an 80 or 90% cut

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in current levels mean to that industry?

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That is extinction of
the fishery as we know it.

442
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,139
The houses we foreclosed
on, our boats, everything,

443
00:21:16,140 --> 00:21:18,809
we're looking at a total
complete loss of everything.

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00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:21,009
It's the end of the oldest
independent industry

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in the country, period.

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00:21:23,410 --> 00:21:26,179
And all we've ever done
is do what we're told.

447
00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:28,029
We need to set the
regulations straight.

448
00:21:28,030 --> 00:21:29,723
We need to get the science right.

449
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,659
The reasons the fishing industries die

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is not because of too much conservation.

451
00:21:35,850 --> 00:21:38,319
It's because of the loss of fish.

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00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,099
Yes, people go out of business.

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00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:41,709
Yes, there is hardship,

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because there aren't any fish because,

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00:21:44,550 --> 00:21:47,529
because there aren't any fish.

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Now, Mr. Bullard, I see you out there,

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and I appreciate the fact that you're here.

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We need your cooperation.
(crowd clapping)

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00:21:52,996 --> 00:21:54,559
We need your help.
(crowd cheering)

460
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,659
We need you to find a
way to make this work.

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00:21:58,660 --> 00:22:01,679
At some point, we
need to rebuild the fish.

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00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,273
I just hope it's not too late.

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00:22:04,287 --> 00:22:06,089
Then I won't be miserable

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00:22:06,090 --> 00:22:09,029
if you can help us take the no out of NOAA.

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00:22:09,030 --> 00:22:11,032
'Cause I don't know how many times.

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00:22:11,033 --> 00:22:12,339
(crowd cheering)

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00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:14,289
We want you to raise the quotas.

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00:22:14,290 --> 00:22:18,139
Well, legally, we don't
think we can do that.

469
00:22:18,140 --> 00:22:19,269
It's not gonna be easy.

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There is pain. And there will be pain.

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The very survival of fishing
communities is on the line.

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There's not one
fisherman's family tonight

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00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:29,110
that isn't holding its breath.

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00:22:34,188 --> 00:22:37,438
(dramatic music slows)

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When you go to a store

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and you see two different pieces of cod,

477
00:22:48,810 --> 00:22:51,159
maybe even three, you've got Alaskan cod,

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00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,039
you've got Atlantic cod
from the New England region,

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00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,969
and then you've got Norwegian cod.

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And we're forced to now make

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yet a further informed decision of,

482
00:22:58,417 --> 00:23:00,729
"Okay, well, food miles, greenhouse gas,

483
00:23:00,730 --> 00:23:03,329
you know, local economies,
global economies.

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00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:04,389
What are we doing?"

485
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:06,111
that we forget to ask like, "Wait a minute,

486
00:23:06,112 --> 00:23:08,079
why do we need three pieces of cod

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00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,325
in the grocery store?"

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00:23:09,326 --> 00:23:11,479
(soft whimsical music)

489
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,469
Americans have a very simple concept

490
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:16,229
of what seafood is supposed to do,

491
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:17,989
culinarily and nutritionally.

492
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:19,689
Only yesterday they told me

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00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:21,189
how much they like H. Salt fish

494
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:23,159
because it's not fishy tasting.

495
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,699
It's just plain good eating."

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00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:27,089
For the average American,

497
00:23:27,090 --> 00:23:30,359
most fish is a dough delivery system,

498
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,369
so of course we don't have an appreciation

499
00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:35,259
for what's really good.

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00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:36,959
And it's no surprise

501
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,869
that we have things like tilapia,

502
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:40,979
the fifth most-consumed seafood in America

503
00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:42,680
being at the center of our plates.

504
00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:47,519
Tilapia is the
perfect industrial fish.

505
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,549
It's easy to feed. It's easy to reproduce.

506
00:23:51,550 --> 00:23:52,649
It has no flavor.

507
00:23:52,650 --> 00:23:53,979
It's disgusting.

508
00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:55,089
I wouldn't eat a tilapia

509
00:23:55,090 --> 00:23:56,440
with somebody else's mouth.

510
00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:59,319
It became like the aquatic chicken.

511
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,979
And they really went down the same line

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00:24:01,980 --> 00:24:04,623
as the Perdue chicken model.

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00:24:05,650 --> 00:24:08,299
We have been taught to like tilapia.

514
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:12,043
We have been taught
to like bland, white foods.

515
00:24:12,980 --> 00:24:16,589
There are abundance
stocks in the ocean.

516
00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:18,979
Pollock is a delicious fish.

517
00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:21,259
It's very similar to cod,

518
00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:24,449
except that when you sell it at auction,

519
00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:28,039
it's 95 cents, a dollar on a good day.

520
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,949
Cod is 3.40.

521
00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:31,779
So there's a reason why we catch

522
00:24:31,780 --> 00:24:34,082
and continue to target cod and haddock:

523
00:24:34,083 --> 00:24:36,153
because that's what the people wanna eat.

524
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:40,789
[Barton] We're only willing to eat

525
00:24:40,790 --> 00:24:42,443
a certain number of species.

526
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,459
And when we make
demands of any natural system,

527
00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:50,193
then we become sort of the
arbiters of natural selection.

528
00:24:51,410 --> 00:24:52,243
And so what we've done

529
00:24:52,244 --> 00:24:54,609
is we've created an
entire irrational economy

530
00:24:54,610 --> 00:24:55,919
that's based on demand

531
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,851
rather than what the oceans
can sustainably supply.

532
00:24:58,852 --> 00:25:01,269
(soft music)

533
00:25:02,961 --> 00:25:07,961
(boat engine humming)
(water splashing)

534
00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:11,809
I'm a cod fishermen.

535
00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:13,630
I've caught cod all my life.

536
00:25:13,631 --> 00:25:16,798
(light upbeat music)

537
00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:20,709
I fell off the pier three years ago,

538
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:22,799
fell 20 feet and landed on my head.

539
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,750
Broke just about every bone in my body.

540
00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:31,319
All the doctors, 36 of them I had,

541
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,716
and every one of them said the same thing,

542
00:25:32,717 --> 00:25:34,369
"Take Social Security Disability.

543
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:36,079
You're never fishing again."

544
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,699
I said, "I'll prove you wrong."

545
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:39,850
Nine months later, I was back on that boat.

546
00:25:43,870 --> 00:25:44,703
I like doing this.

547
00:25:44,704 --> 00:25:46,859
This is all I've done my entire life.

548
00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:49,247
I get up at 3:30 and I go to work.

549
00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:52,483
And I'm good at what I do and I enjoy it.

550
00:25:57,070 --> 00:25:58,609
The public gets this impression

551
00:25:58,610 --> 00:26:02,529
that it's easy to just go catch one thing.

552
00:26:02,530 --> 00:26:05,809
The fact is that it's not,
it's almost impossible.

553
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:07,769
If you wanna catch a winter flounder,

554
00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:09,209
you gotta have yellow tails.

555
00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:11,229
If you wanna catch American plaice,

556
00:26:11,230 --> 00:26:12,309
you gotta have gray sole.

557
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:14,079
You gotta have it all.

558
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,049
Almost all fishing gears

559
00:26:16,050 --> 00:26:18,399
catch more than one thing at a time.

560
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,369
And if you're trying to avoid it,

561
00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:22,239
then we usually call that bycatch.

562
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,659
I get an incidental
catch permit for butterfish.

563
00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:26,139
I catch more than I'm allowed

564
00:26:26,140 --> 00:26:27,379
and I just shovel them over the side.

565
00:26:27,380 --> 00:26:30,133
Now, that's just stupid,

566
00:26:30,134 --> 00:26:33,303
but that's the kind of
management system we have.

567
00:26:35,978 --> 00:26:39,811
(soft upbeat music continues)

568
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:52,349
Bycatch, what it means practically

569
00:26:52,350 --> 00:26:54,319
is the fish that fishermen catch

570
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,219
that we are not willing to eat.

571
00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:58,369
They cost a fishermen
the same amount of money

572
00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:59,959
to catch the unwanted species

573
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,929
as it does the targeted species.

574
00:27:01,930 --> 00:27:03,499
It's a waste of food, certainly,

575
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:05,149
but it's a waste of economic opportunity

576
00:27:05,150 --> 00:27:08,009
and it's a waste of delicious opportunity.

577
00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:10,949
Bottom line, bycatch should be on our menu

578
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:13,203
and it should just be
called catch of the day.

579
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,459
Back in the early seventies,

580
00:27:17,460 --> 00:27:18,749
I was down at the Fish Pier

581
00:27:18,750 --> 00:27:22,959
and I saw a box of fish
marked "Monkey tails."

582
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,199
And I said to one of the
dock workers down there,

583
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,089
I go, "Geez, monkey tails, what's this?"

584
00:27:28,090 --> 00:27:31,509
And he said, "You don't
want any of this blank,

585
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:34,399
but we sell it to France for big money."

586
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,771
As luck would have it,
Julia Child came by that day.

587
00:27:37,772 --> 00:27:39,669
And she said, "What, what?"

588
00:27:39,670 --> 00:27:42,337
(upbeat music)

589
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,409
Welcome. I'm Julia Child.

590
00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:47,509
We're gonna have a very fine,

591
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:49,629
fast fish dinner today.

592
00:27:49,630 --> 00:27:52,539
Under this coverture is one

593
00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:55,149
of the great fish of all time.

594
00:27:55,150 --> 00:27:59,879
Woo, look at that. This is a monkfish.

595
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,799
Look at those teeth, their
teeth on the lower part,

596
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,489
very sharp teeth up here.

597
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:07,019
And look at that tail there.

598
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,369
And within a few weeks,

599
00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:10,186
she had put it on her show.

600
00:28:10,187 --> 00:28:11,157
It was in a cookbook.

601
00:28:11,158 --> 00:28:13,231
It was in the "Time" magazine.

602
00:28:13,232 --> 00:28:14,065
[Julia] You wouldn't think

603
00:28:14,066 --> 00:28:15,879
that terrible looking old fish

604
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,513
would produce such
nice, beautiful white flesh.

605
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,959
So that was an example of a chef

606
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,549
taking a nontraditional,
under-utilized species

607
00:28:26,550 --> 00:28:28,819
that, you know, it's
just really great tasting

608
00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:30,873
that we don't do enough with.

609
00:28:30,874 --> 00:28:34,269
If you happen to run
into a monkfish one day,

610
00:28:34,270 --> 00:28:37,383
don't scream, invite him home for dinner.

611
00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:39,899
How trash fish becomes cash fish,

612
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:41,519
there's a long history of that.

613
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,389
Lobster used to be trash.

614
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:46,449
Literally, we fertilized fields with it.

615
00:28:46,450 --> 00:28:49,529
Indentured servants by law in Massachusetts

616
00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:50,649
we're not to be fed lobster

617
00:28:50,650 --> 00:28:52,889
more than three times a week.

618
00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:55,802
There's never anything
wrong with the product.

619
00:28:55,803 --> 00:28:58,303
It's only something wrong
with how we perceive it.

620
00:29:00,530 --> 00:29:01,363
One fish out there

621
00:29:01,364 --> 00:29:04,639
that there's certainly a lot of is dogfish.

622
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,109
It's a shark. Don't be fooled.

623
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:08,490
It produces fabulous fish and chips

624
00:29:08,491 --> 00:29:10,569
that's highly valued throughout Europe,

625
00:29:10,570 --> 00:29:12,173
UK, Germany, et cetera.

626
00:29:17,344 --> 00:29:18,177
The problem is, of course,

627
00:29:18,178 --> 00:29:19,369
people aren't used to eating dogfish.

628
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:21,339
It doesn't sound like
the fish you'd wanna eat.

629
00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:24,479
The classic example of
that is Patagonian toothfish.

630
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,949
Until they called it Chilean sea bass,

631
00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:27,050
nobody was interested.

632
00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:37,739
[Barton] We asked fishermen
to catch fish on our behalf.

633
00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:41,139
And yet, when they do,
we're not willing to eat

634
00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:43,140
what they actually are able to bring up.

635
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,839
Up in a cod net comes
haddock and hake and pollock

636
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,509
and cusk and ling and monk and skate

637
00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:52,899
and wolf and dog and
ray and robins and others.

638
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:56,509
There's a farm in that
ocean that you can use.

639
00:29:56,510 --> 00:30:00,953
So why aren't more chefs
using any kind of fish?

640
00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:06,139
I'm sorry, I'm bringing a
challenge out to anyone.

641
00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:07,309
If you think you're a chef

642
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:08,765
and you can't cook one of these fishes,

643
00:30:08,766 --> 00:30:10,199
then you'd better come to Gloucester

644
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,327
so we can teach you.

645
00:30:15,891 --> 00:30:20,891
(water splashing)
(birds calling)

646
00:30:21,380 --> 00:30:24,459
There is a certain
freedom that you have

647
00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:25,759
out here in this ocean.

648
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,110
(soft somber music)

649
00:30:29,111 --> 00:30:32,197
I always thought it was kind
of a noble profession, myself.

650
00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:34,989
You were working hard.

651
00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:36,193
You were feeding people.

652
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:39,249
You ran your own outfit.

653
00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:40,763
You were a small businessman.

654
00:30:42,833 --> 00:30:44,416
[Man] Take it up!

655
00:30:45,517 --> 00:30:46,563
Not anymore.

656
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,220
What we see in the
farming industry in the '80s

657
00:30:52,221 --> 00:30:54,671
where they put the small
farmers out of business,

658
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:57,650
the whole country has gone that way.

659
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,170
And we're just the last hold out.

660
00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:04,899
And now that the independent fishermen

661
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:07,409
are no longer strong,

662
00:31:07,410 --> 00:31:09,589
we're no longer out here in number,

663
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:10,954
we've lost our authority

664
00:31:10,955 --> 00:31:14,353
to be the watchdogs of the ocean.

665
00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:17,569
This is the last great source

666
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:19,863
of wild protein in this world,

667
00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:25,773
America's fisheries from
West Coast to East Coast.

668
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:32,350
A bum like me (laughs) is
not as good as a steward

669
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,059
of the environment as, say,
a board of directors member

670
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:38,435
of British Petroleum or Monsanto

671
00:31:38,436 --> 00:31:42,169
or Archer-Midland-Daniels
or somebody like that,

672
00:31:42,170 --> 00:31:47,166
you know, Tyson. (laughs)

673
00:31:47,167 --> 00:31:48,303
You know, who am I?

674
00:31:50,931 --> 00:31:51,931
Who am I?

675
00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:58,749
One of the guys in the
old market once told me,

676
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:02,039
he said, "It used to be the wives,

677
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,729
they came to the market.

678
00:32:03,730 --> 00:32:05,019
They said, 'What's good?'

679
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:06,229
We told them what was good.

680
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:07,230
They bought it. It was good.

681
00:32:07,230 --> 00:32:08,063
And they liked fish

682
00:32:08,064 --> 00:32:09,189
and that was the way it went.

683
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:12,539
Now the wives, they go to the supermarket.

684
00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:14,709
The guy who's working
fish came over from the deli.

685
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:17,169
He doesn't know shit about fish.

686
00:32:17,170 --> 00:32:18,879
He tells them to buy something shitty.

687
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,339
She buys it. She cooks it.

688
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:22,209
It sucks, and the rest of the family

689
00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:23,160
never eats fish again."

690
00:32:23,161 --> 00:32:26,449
So, I mean, that to me
is really what happened.

691
00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:28,659
And we eat about 15 pounds

692
00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:30,569
of seafood per person per year.

693
00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:31,949
That's minuscule compared

694
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,386
to the land food meats that we eat.

695
00:32:33,387 --> 00:32:35,050
We eat something like 200 pounds

696
00:32:35,051 --> 00:32:37,493
of beef, chicken, pork.

697
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:39,630
And it's also quite small

698
00:32:39,631 --> 00:32:42,430
compared to the real
fish-eating countries of the world.

699
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,540
Seafood's a great protein.

700
00:32:44,541 --> 00:32:47,019
I mean, if you've gotta eat flesh,

701
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:48,369
you're better off
eating the flesh of a fish

702
00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:49,479
than you are pretty much anything

703
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,829
that walks on four legs.

704
00:32:50,830 --> 00:32:52,989
By saying, "Don't eat fish,

705
00:32:52,990 --> 00:32:55,849
it's unsustainable, our oceans are empty,"

706
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:59,609
we've actually scared people
away from eating seafood.

707
00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:01,342
And as a public health measure,

708
00:33:01,343 --> 00:33:03,933
that's actually been a
great step backwards.

709
00:33:04,820 --> 00:33:06,476
We need to be eating
more seafood in this country.

710
00:33:06,477 --> 00:33:08,099
And think about this,

711
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:09,776
when we go to the grocery store

712
00:33:09,777 --> 00:33:12,079
and we stand in front of this case

713
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,239
and we're so confused by the amount

714
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,309
of environmental information thrown at us,

715
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:17,939
we say, "Oh my God, well,

716
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:20,649
I'm just gonna go get some hamburger."

717
00:33:20,650 --> 00:33:22,149
But by many accounts,

718
00:33:22,150 --> 00:33:25,709
the hamburger is the
far worse health choice.

719
00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:27,419
And it's far worse for the environment

720
00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:29,089
in terms of the greenhouse gas emissions

721
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:32,559
associated with it that are
causing ocean acidification

722
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,709
that threaten to absolutely destroy

723
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:37,927
the very foundations of
the marine food system.

724
00:33:38,986 --> 00:33:40,769
And one thing that the
United States Government

725
00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:43,929
needs to do a better job on is publicizing

726
00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:46,859
what they do to ensure that the fisheries

727
00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:49,309
of the United States of
America are fished sustainably.

728
00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:52,469
It is against the law to overfish

729
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:53,909
in the United States of America.

730
00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:55,879
Overfishing is a funny word

731
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,899
whose meaning has changed over time.

732
00:33:57,900 --> 00:33:59,707
If you asked the average layperson,

733
00:33:59,708 --> 00:34:00,541
"What is overfishing?"

734
00:34:00,542 --> 00:34:01,709
"Well, there's less fish left

735
00:34:01,710 --> 00:34:03,069
because you caught too many."

736
00:34:03,070 --> 00:34:03,986
That's not what it means today.

737
00:34:03,987 --> 00:34:08,986
Technically, overfishing
is fishing at a rate harder

738
00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:12,989
than would give you the longterm
maximum sustainable yield.

739
00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:15,609
It's a bit of a theoretical concept.

740
00:34:15,610 --> 00:34:16,480
Overfishing means

741
00:34:16,481 --> 00:34:19,779
that we haven't rebuilt the population

742
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:22,839
to the level that science
says it could be rebuilt to,

743
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,139
and we're trying to rebuild stocks.

744
00:34:25,140 --> 00:34:27,359
So we're not decimating fisheries.

745
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,369
These fishermen we have now

746
00:34:29,370 --> 00:34:30,913
want to preserve the ocean.

747
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:34,419
They care about it all,
because it's their livelihood.

748
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:37,339
They're small, individual businessmen.

749
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:40,309
I don't think that the US fishermen

750
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:42,754
get the credit that they should get

751
00:34:42,755 --> 00:34:46,169
for operating under
such a stringent system.

752
00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:48,249
So the consumer should feel great

753
00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:51,199
about getting a US-caught piece of fish.

754
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,200
(soft somber music)
(chains rattling)

755
00:35:02,410 --> 00:35:03,813
Not far from here,

756
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:10,510
oh God, it must have been '76 or '77,

757
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,413
98,000 of fish we put
aboard of her in 52 hours.

758
00:35:15,850 --> 00:35:17,543
52 hours straight we went.

759
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:28,510
Our last trip, we worked
10 days, 10 full days.

760
00:35:31,050 --> 00:35:35,543
The three of us, that's
three guys, $735 a share.

761
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,520
Yahoo.

762
00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:43,610
Things have changed so much.

763
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:47,569
This is our log entry we have to do

764
00:35:47,570 --> 00:35:49,809
for the fishery service every day.

765
00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:52,019
And down here, we have
the amount of fishes landed

766
00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:55,492
for the day by this boat,
1,500 pounds of dog fish.

767
00:35:55,493 --> 00:35:57,379
They are 20 cents to the boat.

768
00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:59,799
10 pounds of cod fish,
10 pounds of pollock,

769
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,729
two pounds of haddock,
four pounds of flounders.

770
00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:06,703
Gross revenue for this
boat today, it was $350.

771
00:36:08,830 --> 00:36:11,709
There is a lot of overhead
costs when you go fishing.

772
00:36:11,710 --> 00:36:14,199
First, you pay the fuel oil,

773
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,079
which is the biggest bill today.

774
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,409
Then you have to pay
for the food, for the ice.

775
00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:24,449
You have to put money
aside for pay insurance.

776
00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:26,659
The list goes on and on.

777
00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:27,941
When you look at all this equipment,

778
00:36:27,942 --> 00:36:31,579
I mean, this stuff is all
incredibly expensive.

779
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:33,709
And most of it is being used

780
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:36,769
in an extremely harsh
climate and salt water.

781
00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:39,999
So it means it doesn't last very long.

782
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,489
I have a hydraulic pump
that's got a seal gone in it.

783
00:36:44,490 --> 00:36:47,316
It's probably a $1,000 to repair it.

784
00:36:47,317 --> 00:36:50,019
I went to Walmart and
bought a bucket for 9.99

785
00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:52,220
and stuck it underneath
it to catch the oil.

786
00:36:53,701 --> 00:36:54,620
It's just gonna have to wait.

787
00:36:54,621 --> 00:36:55,770
I don't have the money.

788
00:36:58,557 --> 00:37:01,359
But now we have an
extra added expense,

789
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,749
which is the lease.

790
00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:05,039
My allocation at the beginning of the year

791
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,499
was 3,200 pounds of cod fish.

792
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:08,889
So we went through that pretty quick.

793
00:37:08,890 --> 00:37:10,529
We just went into our savings

794
00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:15,530
and took out $5,300 to
lease another 3,200 pounds

795
00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:17,123
so we could stay in business.

796
00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:21,340
Too many fishermen
are losing too much money.

797
00:37:21,341 --> 00:37:23,279
We can't keep up with this much longer.

798
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,093
There'll have to be a solution

799
00:37:25,094 --> 00:37:27,644
or your small boat fishing
communities will vanish.

800
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,700
I used to think that there was hope.

801
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:37,700
I used to believe that
through everyone's good efforts

802
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:40,969
and good intentions, that
we were gonna pull this out.

803
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:42,420
I don't believe that anymore.

804
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,519
Two years ago, the Fishery
Service Science Center

805
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,149
told us that, in the Northeast region,

806
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:55,843
all of our fish stocks would be rebuilt,

807
00:37:56,910 --> 00:38:01,013
at the rate that the stock
was increasing, by 2014.

808
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,899
Fishermen and conservation,
we were exhilarated

809
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:06,989
that a population that was so important,

810
00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:10,361
so iconic, was back so quickly.

811
00:38:10,362 --> 00:38:12,699
(soft somber music)

812
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,119
That exuberance didn't last very long,

813
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,129
because the model was wrong.

814
00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:20,076
Basically overnight, they said,

815
00:38:20,077 --> 00:38:22,049
"Well, you know what?

816
00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:23,929
We just built this new model.

817
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:26,609
And (laughs) it says that the fish

818
00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:28,439
is about to collapse."

819
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,934
And it kind of left fishermen

820
00:38:29,935 --> 00:38:31,799
in a state of disbelief.

821
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:32,997
Counting fish is a lot more difficult

822
00:38:32,998 --> 00:38:35,119
than counting trees or deer, actually.

823
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,019
You know, they're under
water and they move around

824
00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:38,220
and they're hard to see.

825
00:38:39,490 --> 00:38:41,139
The science that's reported

826
00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:43,909
from Woods Hole Science Center,

827
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:46,569
which comes out of their research boats,

828
00:38:46,570 --> 00:38:49,369
that's our book we live by.

829
00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:52,599
Everything relies on the science.

830
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,869
Therefore, everyone is
very critical of the science.

831
00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:57,629
Fishermen are always wondering

832
00:38:57,630 --> 00:38:59,149
how are they using their nets?

833
00:38:59,150 --> 00:39:01,129
What speed are they towing at?

834
00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:03,169
Are they fishing in the right areas?

835
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:05,409
Do they get a good overall perspective

836
00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:06,860
of what's actually out there?

837
00:39:08,772 --> 00:39:10,909
You have lots of opinions

838
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:12,329
on what's going on in the water.

839
00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:14,199
You have the fishermen who are out there

840
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,319
who can find the fish and
know how to find the fish

841
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,889
and say that they think
there are a lot of fish.

842
00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:19,770
You have the scientists

843
00:39:19,771 --> 00:39:22,829
who have their very data-centric approach.

844
00:39:22,830 --> 00:39:26,069
And so, yeah, it can be very adversarial.

845
00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:27,189
It's fair to say there's a fair amount

846
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:29,859
of scientific debate about what you have

847
00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:32,159
as far as its value for catch advice

848
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,398
after you've adjusted some things.

849
00:39:33,399 --> 00:39:35,289
Is that fair to say?

850
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,019
No.
No?

851
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:39,589
The hostility, I guess,
between those two camps

852
00:39:39,590 --> 00:39:43,597
that ought to be cooperating is unhealthy.

853
00:39:44,932 --> 00:39:48,629
To counter that, I'm
sure that other people

854
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:51,109
have taken that precise
estimate in other years

855
00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:53,049
when they liked the number.

856
00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:54,349
Oh, that's not the point.

857
00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:56,319
Nice editorial, but not the point.

858
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,099
Biomass is low.

859
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,119
We present a stochastic projection.

860
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,252
You look at the median value.

861
00:40:02,253 --> 00:40:04,119
I mean, I can't give you a number.

862
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,953
No, I understand.

863
00:40:04,954 --> 00:40:07,429
But obviously, there's a fair amount

864
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:08,446
of uncertainty with the projection,

865
00:40:08,447 --> 00:40:10,614
so it's fair to say, okay.

866
00:40:11,948 --> 00:40:13,137
I don't know.

867
00:40:13,138 --> 00:40:14,899
How do you know?

868
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:16,712
(man laughs)
Well, I would ask.

869
00:40:16,713 --> 00:40:18,339
There's so much mistrust

870
00:40:18,340 --> 00:40:19,569
between the fishing industry

871
00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:22,129
and the National Marine Fishery Service

872
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:24,279
because of all the polarization

873
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,029
that this cordial relationship

874
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:28,589
that we enjoyed for decades

875
00:40:28,590 --> 00:40:30,243
has pretty much evaporated.

876
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:36,589
When you are operating in a system

877
00:40:36,590 --> 00:40:37,799
where everyone understands

878
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,429
that we're all in this together

879
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:41,669
and that the oceans are a shared resource,

880
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:43,589
then I think you begin to see examples,

881
00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:45,499
like in Norway or in Iceland,

882
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:47,692
countries that began to look at regulations

883
00:40:47,693 --> 00:40:51,589
and the communication and
collaboration between fishermen

884
00:40:51,590 --> 00:40:54,281
that I think leads to opportunities.

885
00:40:54,282 --> 00:40:56,782
(regal music)

886
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,599
Norway is the
second-largest seafood exporter

887
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,916
in the world.

888
00:41:03,917 --> 00:41:06,769
The cod is the most valuable product

889
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:08,503
from the wild-catch sector.

890
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,579
People have been catching cod

891
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:16,329
and living from cod for
thousands and thousands of years.

892
00:41:16,330 --> 00:41:18,349
In Norway, there's a
very special legislation

893
00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:22,109
giving the Fishermen's
Organization a very strong position.

894
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:25,169
And we do that by organizing minimum prices

895
00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:28,399
for the fish, securing
equal terms of competition,

896
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,999
both for those who sell the fish,

897
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,929
as well as for the fishing
industry who buy the fish.

898
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:36,249
Most of the fishermen is
very pleased with this system.

899
00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:37,499
Being a fishermen in Norway today

900
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:40,979
is a well-respected and
a very good occupation.

901
00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:42,739
The average fisherman today

902
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:46,423
who would make more
than a $100,000 US a year.

903
00:41:48,110 --> 00:41:50,199
When I was over there,
I went to that conference,

904
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,609
and it just seemed that
the fishermen themselves

905
00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:57,599
had a lot more respect by the regulators,

906
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,158
by the government that they do over here.

907
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:02,729
(audience applauds)

908
00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:05,459
In Norway, we have
put the collaboration

909
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:08,343
with fisherman into our sampling routines.

910
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:13,019
Every day, they do
sampling for the scientists

911
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:15,059
from their catches,

912
00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:18,899
data that goes directly
into stock assessment

913
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:21,049
so that we can come up

914
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:24,589
with the best possible conclusions.

915
00:42:24,590 --> 00:42:27,109
That's how things like stock
assessment should be done.

916
00:42:27,110 --> 00:42:28,979
They should be cooperative ventures,

917
00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:30,930
because we want the answer to be right.

918
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,599
Fishermen inherently are more trusting

919
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,909
of the data that's coming
from fishing vessels

920
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:39,699
that actually gets used in the region

921
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:42,269
than they are of a big research vessel

922
00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:45,969
that's chockablock full of PhD scientists,

923
00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:48,373
but probably has never got at a fish.

924
00:42:49,850 --> 00:42:52,529
It is important to have
also a close cooperation

925
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:55,086
between scientists, the fishing industry,

926
00:42:55,087 --> 00:42:57,089
and the administrators,

927
00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:59,039
so the fisherman have their say

928
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,213
on how we should structure
the various regulation.

929
00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:07,349
We have been able to rebuild the stocks

930
00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:09,043
to a historical level.

931
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,246
Two years ago, we had
the total allowable catch

932
00:43:12,247 --> 00:43:15,249
for more than 1 million tons of cod.

933
00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:18,239
That's the highest cod
stock we had ever had.

934
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:19,549
There will always be attention,

935
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:21,969
there will always be different opinions

936
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:24,169
about what is correct thing to do.

937
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:27,719
I think, in a way, we
understand each other's role

938
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,443
and the need to go forward, yeah.

939
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:36,639
[Reporter] Government surveys claim cod

940
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,699
is at dangerously low
levels in the Gulf of Maine.

941
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:42,569
The goal, a break to allow the species

942
00:43:42,570 --> 00:43:44,429
time to bounce back.

943
00:43:44,430 --> 00:43:46,779
Our reading of the
stock assessment science

944
00:43:46,780 --> 00:43:50,289
indicated that some of the
populations, including cod,

945
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:53,539
might be at the point
of a commercial collapse

946
00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:58,129
and that the fisheries should be closed.

947
00:43:58,130 --> 00:44:01,379
(soft music)

948
00:44:01,380 --> 00:44:04,739
I talked with some
managers from Newfoundland

949
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:08,299
and they said, "You know, 20 years ago,

950
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:11,769
our mistake was we let fishermen catch

951
00:44:11,770 --> 00:44:14,697
those last concentrations of cod."

952
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,440
Can we strike a balance that
saves cod and saves fishermen,

953
00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:31,220
or is either one of those
destined for extinction?

954
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:33,413
And what if you are wrong?

955
00:44:34,333 --> 00:44:37,683
There's no contingency
plan for if you are wrong.

956
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:40,519
We've been talking about fish.

957
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,679
I wanna talk about humans.

958
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,409
I've seen more fishermen
and fisherman's wife

959
00:44:46,410 --> 00:44:49,769
cry on the other side of my desk

960
00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:51,289
than I can remember.

961
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:53,789
How do we even know that any of these

962
00:44:53,790 --> 00:44:56,839
kinds of closures are gonna work?

963
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,789
I'm opposed to this motion,

964
00:44:58,790 --> 00:45:01,459
because if it is adopted, I'm all done.

965
00:45:01,460 --> 00:45:04,399
I would urge you
to reject this motion.

966
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,089
I think it's gross overkill.

967
00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:10,759
From what we heard
yesterday and today,

968
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,760
I don't see how we can avoid saying

969
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:17,909
this is a stock in collapse,

970
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:21,789
this is an emergency,
and action is warranted.

971
00:45:21,790 --> 00:45:25,049
What this will do is
eliminate the integral fleet

972
00:45:25,050 --> 00:45:28,059
of Maine, New Hampshire,

973
00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:29,359
and potentially some of the folks

974
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,660
in Northern Massachusetts.

975
00:45:33,020 --> 00:45:35,550
[Man] Motion carries.
(gavel banging)

976
00:45:35,551 --> 00:45:38,468
(crowd chattering)

977
00:45:40,869 --> 00:45:42,759
(upbeat inspirational music)

978
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,229
[Announcer] Our day is just beginning

979
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:46,058
as yours is coming to an end.

980
00:45:46,059 --> 00:45:48,029
We are searching for a new answer

981
00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:49,849
to that nightly question.

982
00:45:49,850 --> 00:45:50,683
Hey, honey, what's for dinner?

983
00:45:50,684 --> 00:45:54,639
♪ Trust the Gorton's Fisherman ♪

984
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,549
That advertisement on television,

985
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:57,949
that big blue trawler

986
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:59,639
over to the yellow slickers.

987
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,556
I used to have a skipper, he'd say,

988
00:46:01,557 --> 00:46:05,839
"Chief, chief, I never
saw that boat around here.

989
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,189
You ever see that guy around here?

990
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:10,429
Where does he go fishing, anyway?"

991
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:12,179
Our fish sticks are so delicious,

992
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:14,279
they'll make your taste
buds snap to attention

993
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,961
and say, "Ahoy, matey."

994
00:46:16,962 --> 00:46:19,849
(audience laughs)
(audience applauds)

995
00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:21,329
Gorton's is an example of one

996
00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:23,752
of the very large
businesses that are in town

997
00:46:23,753 --> 00:46:26,863
that don't buy from
local fishermen anymore.

998
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:28,840
We couldn't supply them,

999
00:46:28,841 --> 00:46:31,599
the kind of volume that they need

1000
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,519
and the kind of
dependability that they need.

1001
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,236
We couldn't do it.

1002
00:46:35,237 --> 00:46:36,070
The Gorton's Fisherman,

1003
00:46:36,071 --> 00:46:39,119
like everything in Gloucester has changed.

1004
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,859
Brokers are watching computer screens

1005
00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:43,459
and they're buying their fish

1006
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:44,993
wherever the supply is.

1007
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,789
It's advertising.

1008
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:50,999
They're using the Gloucester Fisherman

1009
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,603
and everything to brand their product.

1010
00:46:53,604 --> 00:46:56,756
(soft upbeat music)

1011
00:46:56,757 --> 00:46:58,849
Gorton's of Gloucester hasn't sold

1012
00:46:58,850 --> 00:47:02,233
Gloucester fish in years, generations.

1013
00:47:03,243 --> 00:47:05,779
(soft dramatic music)

1014
00:47:05,780 --> 00:47:07,459
When you think of seafood,

1015
00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:08,819
I think a lot of Americans think of it

1016
00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:10,059
as the most local food.

1017
00:47:10,060 --> 00:47:12,439
In fact, they'll probably only ever eat it

1018
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,713
when they go for their beach vacation.

1019
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:18,939
But actually, seafood is
like the least local food

1020
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:20,893
Americans are likely to come across.

1021
00:47:21,820 --> 00:47:24,709
91% of our seafood in any given year

1022
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:26,733
is coming to us from abroad.

1023
00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:30,120
[Barton] We rarely consider

1024
00:47:30,121 --> 00:47:33,163
where our seafood comes
from or even think to ask.

1025
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:37,189
At present, the United States imports

1026
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:39,469
more than 6 billion pounds of seafood,

1027
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:42,443
making it one of the most
significant trade imbalances.

1028
00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:45,683
So we're right now involved

1029
00:47:45,684 --> 00:47:48,229
in this ridiculous fish swap.

1030
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:50,969
We export about 3 billion pounds

1031
00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:53,329
of seafood every single year,

1032
00:47:53,330 --> 00:47:54,429
really excellent seafood,

1033
00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:57,749
black cod and New England
sea scallops, wild salmon.

1034
00:47:57,750 --> 00:48:02,109
And in return, we get
farmed shrimp, farmed tilapia.

1035
00:48:02,110 --> 00:48:03,929
And why? It's cheap.

1036
00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:06,069
It's easy. It's flavorless.

1037
00:48:06,070 --> 00:48:08,074
And that's what Americans seem to want.

1038
00:48:08,075 --> 00:48:09,796
Fish can be moved anywhere.

1039
00:48:09,797 --> 00:48:13,309
And the cost of moving
fish is oftentimes less

1040
00:48:13,310 --> 00:48:14,599
than the cost of catching fish.

1041
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,793
So fish catching goes on where it's cheap.

1042
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:24,059
[Paul] Almost all of the
tilapia is coming from China.

1043
00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:27,509
90% of the shrimp is coming
from China, Vietnam, Thailand,

1044
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:29,429
and then all of the Pangasius catfish

1045
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:31,763
is coming to us largely from abroad

1046
00:48:31,764 --> 00:48:34,792
In many of the
Southeast Asian countries,

1047
00:48:34,793 --> 00:48:36,863
it's a industrial scale aquaculture.

1048
00:48:39,211 --> 00:48:42,579
So these fish are grown
in very, very high densities,

1049
00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:44,019
packed in tooth to jowl.

1050
00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:45,409
I've seen these ponds, and it's almost

1051
00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:46,901
like an M.C. Escher painting where like,

1052
00:48:46,902 --> 00:48:49,410
tail in front of head in
front of tail in front of head.

1053
00:48:49,411 --> 00:48:52,161
(fish splashing)

1054
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:56,039
Under this banner of,

1055
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,939
we're gonna create cheap
seafood and a lot of it,

1056
00:48:58,940 --> 00:49:01,509
they're taking over
coastlines of these countries

1057
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:03,189
that don't have that many other options,

1058
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:05,039
and they sell it to them as progress,

1059
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,613
as development, as we're
gonna have jobs for you.

1060
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:12,159
Labor restrictions,
labor costs in Asia

1061
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,049
are much lower than they
are in the United States,

1062
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:18,589
plus they don't have nearly
the environmental restrictions

1063
00:49:18,590 --> 00:49:20,499
and regulations that we have here.

1064
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,399
So it allows their fish to hit the market

1065
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,753
in the United States at
much lower price levels.

1066
00:49:29,770 --> 00:49:32,229
A lot of the biomass
that's taken out of the ocean

1067
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:35,419
is not caught by mom and pop operators,

1068
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:37,229
not caught by small-scale operators.

1069
00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:38,429
They're big commercial enterprises

1070
00:49:38,430 --> 00:49:41,419
that are not particularly
grounded in a community,

1071
00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:43,259
industries that do not have a lot of men

1072
00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:45,179
who are fourth-generation fishermen,

1073
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:46,110
industries that are simply

1074
00:49:46,111 --> 00:49:47,599
like many other extractive industries

1075
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,909
around the world that are applying capital

1076
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:52,390
to make profit for
shareholders and then move on.

1077
00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:00,789
There are a lot of third-world people

1078
00:50:00,790 --> 00:50:02,109
who have been very threatened

1079
00:50:02,110 --> 00:50:04,363
by first-world fisheries relocating.

1080
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:08,369
Foreign fleets have
come in with technology,

1081
00:50:08,370 --> 00:50:11,009
the scale of which local
people there had never seen.

1082
00:50:11,010 --> 00:50:13,160
And these fleets have vacuumed up the fish.

1083
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:16,129
Fish don't stand a chance

1084
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:18,059
against these giant factory trawlers

1085
00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:20,489
that can let out 30 miles of hooks

1086
00:50:20,490 --> 00:50:22,719
or nets that you could swallow up

1087
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,469
an entire football field in,

1088
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:26,259
the helicopters chasing schools of fish

1089
00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:27,879
above them in the air.

1090
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,933
What's a fish to do?

1091
00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:33,303
In a factory trawler,

1092
00:50:34,340 --> 00:50:38,469
their net is a size of 10 jumbo planes.

1093
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:40,899
Their bycatch, in one haul,

1094
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:42,823
was what I could catch all year.

1095
00:50:44,590 --> 00:50:46,613
Where do you see the rationality there?

1096
00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:49,219
I would argue that we may be

1097
00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:51,989
actually causing more
environmental problems

1098
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:54,559
of overfishing by importing our fish

1099
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,729
from places that don't
regulate their fisheries

1100
00:50:56,730 --> 00:51:01,084
than we would if we fished
a little harder in the US.

1101
00:51:01,085 --> 00:51:05,085
(soft dramatic music continues)

1102
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,649
Well, US imports
over 90% of the seafood

1103
00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:15,559
that we consume in this country.

1104
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,539
And considering how
much seafood is caught here,

1105
00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:19,779
that almost seems unbelievable.

1106
00:51:19,780 --> 00:51:21,609
But most of the seafood that we catch

1107
00:51:21,610 --> 00:51:22,460
goes somewhere else.

1108
00:51:22,461 --> 00:51:24,079
And then, often, it gets re-imported

1109
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,349
back into this country.

1110
00:51:25,350 --> 00:51:27,129
Some of these products that you see

1111
00:51:27,130 --> 00:51:28,813
have enormous carbon footprint.

1112
00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:32,619
I was at a restaurant in Gloucester.

1113
00:51:32,620 --> 00:51:34,529
I asked them a little bit
more about the haddock,

1114
00:51:34,530 --> 00:51:36,169
'cause I saw the processing factory

1115
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:37,379
right across over there.

1116
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:40,399
And I knew the auction
was right down the road.

1117
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,639
And the haddock was actually, it had come,

1118
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,499
fished off the Grand
Banks, landed in Gloucester,

1119
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:49,069
went on a container and went to China,

1120
00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:50,409
came back to Gloucester,

1121
00:51:50,410 --> 00:51:54,209
and was sitting there on
my plate in the restaurant

1122
00:51:54,210 --> 00:51:57,427
across the street from
almost where it was caught.

1123
00:51:57,428 --> 00:51:59,239
It just seems crazy that here you have

1124
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:00,369
these American fishermen and they go out,

1125
00:52:00,370 --> 00:52:01,203
they catch something,

1126
00:52:01,204 --> 00:52:02,509
and then it's too expensive

1127
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:03,599
to process it in this country.

1128
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,189
So we ship it halfway across the world.

1129
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:06,639
It gets processed over there

1130
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,648
and probably treated with something

1131
00:52:07,649 --> 00:52:10,679
that we wouldn't wanna have in our bodies.

1132
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,459
Preservatives are added.

1133
00:52:12,460 --> 00:52:14,829
You may have masked the aging by dipping it

1134
00:52:14,830 --> 00:52:17,149
in some brine or gassing,

1135
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:19,503
but the flavor, it never lies.

1136
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:24,919
You get fish sometimes
twice and thrice frozen.

1137
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,979
If I bring haddock home
and my wife freezes it

1138
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:29,589
and then we have company down the line

1139
00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:31,189
that we have a haddock dinner or something,

1140
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:33,429
it's tasty, it's good.

1141
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:36,419
I'd still rather have
it right off the boat.

1142
00:52:36,420 --> 00:52:38,442
But if she thawed it out, refroze it

1143
00:52:38,443 --> 00:52:40,233
and thawed it out again,

1144
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:43,420
I wouldn't even give it to the dog, myself.

1145
00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:47,609
Of all these billions
of pounds of seafood

1146
00:52:47,610 --> 00:52:49,833
that are coming to this country every year,

1147
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:53,493
not a lot of it gets looked at.

1148
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,309
The trade of meat and
poultry and everything else

1149
00:52:57,310 --> 00:52:59,649
is very heavily regulated by the USDA,

1150
00:52:59,650 --> 00:53:03,282
but there is no such organization for fish.

1151
00:53:03,283 --> 00:53:05,629
So USDA is doing their
thing with meat and poultry.

1152
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:06,550
FDA has everything else,

1153
00:53:06,551 --> 00:53:08,659
seafood, vegetables, processed foods.

1154
00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:10,399
They never get above 2%

1155
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,819
in terms of their inspection rates.

1156
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:14,589
So odds are, if you're sending
a shipment of something,

1157
00:53:14,590 --> 00:53:16,633
odds are, it's not gonna get inspected.

1158
00:53:16,634 --> 00:53:19,209
(soft dramatic music)

1159
00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:20,329
Whenever somebody does a study,

1160
00:53:20,330 --> 00:53:22,369
whenever a state does their own testing,

1161
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:24,709
they find violation after
violation after violation,

1162
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:26,503
especially in aquaculture products.

1163
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:31,589
The levels of toxicants
that have been found

1164
00:53:31,590 --> 00:53:33,869
in the flesh are pretty alarming,

1165
00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:35,599
and including antibiotics.

1166
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,439
Remember, with these
animals, you are what you eat.

1167
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,029
If it's just like soaked in antibiotics,

1168
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:42,830
then you're gonna be consuming that.

1169
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:48,349
We ourselves published
a story on imported shrimp

1170
00:53:48,350 --> 00:53:50,729
where we bought over 200 cases of shrimp

1171
00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:53,849
that were frozen or fresh and tested them

1172
00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:56,239
for a range of antibiotics
and other things.

1173
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,369
And what we found is, out
of those over 200 shrimp,

1174
00:53:59,370 --> 00:54:02,963
we found 11 samples that
had antibiotics on them.

1175
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,209
There were cases of where the FDA knew

1176
00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:09,139
certain aquaculture drugs were being used

1177
00:54:09,140 --> 00:54:13,069
in Vietnam that were illegal in the US,

1178
00:54:13,070 --> 00:54:15,959
but they weren't testing any of the imports

1179
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,753
for that particular drug.

1180
00:54:20,410 --> 00:54:22,369
You go to a restaurant
and you'll see your tuna,

1181
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:26,299
and it's perfectly pink
all the way through.

1182
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:28,199
There's no tuna that the meat

1183
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,100
is perfectly pink all the way through.

1184
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,539
There's a process with
tuna whereby processors

1185
00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:38,699
put it through a CO gassing program

1186
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:42,199
that bursts all the blood
vessels in the piece of fish

1187
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,109
to allow it to maintain

1188
00:54:45,110 --> 00:54:48,989
this bright watermelon color.

1189
00:54:48,990 --> 00:54:50,869
Why that's a problem is that tuna

1190
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:52,809
is a histamine producing species,

1191
00:54:52,810 --> 00:54:56,549
and people can die
from histamine poisoning.

1192
00:54:56,550 --> 00:54:59,989
Histamines happen when
there's temperature abuse.

1193
00:54:59,990 --> 00:55:01,659
Normally, you'd be able to tell that

1194
00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:04,679
because the tuna would show
signs of temperature abuse,

1195
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,359
browning on the edges.

1196
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,999
Well, once you've had it gassed,

1197
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,669
it masks all indication.

1198
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:12,579
So other countries, like Canada,

1199
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:15,419
have outlawed what we call tailpipe tuna.

1200
00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:16,729
But here in the United States,

1201
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:18,819
you can buy it at your retailer at a price

1202
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:23,309
much lower than a fresh piece of tuna.

1203
00:55:23,310 --> 00:55:25,999
When you get that kind
of level of uncertainty,

1204
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,099
I don't think Americans would tolerate that

1205
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:29,669
for any other food product,

1206
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:31,369
for any other meat product.

1207
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:33,459
This is not the feeding
of the hungry movement.

1208
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:35,659
This is feeding the restaurant movement

1209
00:55:35,660 --> 00:55:38,783
that wants to sell you a
10.99 a plate of shrimp.

1210
00:55:41,310 --> 00:55:44,309
And I know for a fact that
the more they shut us down,

1211
00:55:44,310 --> 00:55:46,610
the more fish are coming
from other countries.

1212
00:55:47,947 --> 00:55:52,947
(soft music)
(boat engine humming)

1213
00:55:54,901 --> 00:55:55,886
Get down, c'mon.

1214
00:55:55,887 --> 00:55:57,276
C'mon, let's run. (claps)

1215
00:55:57,277 --> 00:55:58,619
c'mon, baby.

1216
00:55:58,620 --> 00:55:59,610
What's happening right now

1217
00:55:59,611 --> 00:56:02,659
is I invested into the industry.

1218
00:56:02,660 --> 00:56:05,329
I elected to stay in the industry

1219
00:56:05,330 --> 00:56:07,069
when Days at Sea came around.

1220
00:56:07,070 --> 00:56:09,209
And my wife and I purchased other permits

1221
00:56:09,210 --> 00:56:10,899
from fellows that were
getting out of the business.

1222
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:11,733
[Reporter] Can you walk him beforehand?

1223
00:56:11,734 --> 00:56:14,759
Absolutely the calm before the storm.

1224
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,746
Right now, I owe a
bank here in the region

1225
00:56:19,747 --> 00:56:24,209
$400,000 on permits that are worthless

1226
00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:28,045
because the Fishery
Service changed their plan.

1227
00:56:28,046 --> 00:56:32,549
(wind howling)
(TV playing indistinctly)

1228
00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:34,993
I'm paying $5,000 a month to the bank,

1229
00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:43,180
and there's no money coming in.

1230
00:56:47,610 --> 00:56:49,769
I'd like to think there was.

1231
00:56:49,770 --> 00:56:52,609
But as John Bullard said, "Too bad.

1232
00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:54,799
It's no different than
being a factory worker.

1233
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,307
Go find another job."

1234
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:58,970
It's all I've ever done.

1235
00:57:01,616 --> 00:57:04,616
(soft somber music)

1236
00:57:06,264 --> 00:57:08,847
(wind howling)

1237
00:57:16,068 --> 00:57:18,818
(snow pattering)

1238
00:57:21,210 --> 00:57:23,599
And everybody that's risk their life

1239
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,109
to feed this country fresh fish

1240
00:57:26,110 --> 00:57:27,923
is being tortured right now.

1241
00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:35,629
I had the opportunity to
sell the entire business,

1242
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:38,390
boats and permits, almost three years ago

1243
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:40,833
for over 3 million bucks.

1244
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,829
And I didn't, I can't put
these guys out on the street.

1245
00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:47,863
I'm not like that.

1246
00:57:49,084 --> 00:57:52,203
(metal scraping)

1247
00:57:52,204 --> 00:57:53,569
You know, what am I gonna do,

1248
00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:54,969
take the money and run,

1249
00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:56,509
let everybody starve to death?

1250
00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:57,510
I can't.

1251
00:57:58,530 --> 00:58:01,739
We're gonna downsize
the house a few years early,

1252
00:58:01,740 --> 00:58:03,989
but we'll do it, no big deal.

1253
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:06,310
You do what you have to do.

1254
00:58:07,653 --> 00:58:11,486
(soft somber music continues)

1255
00:58:14,075 --> 00:58:16,742
(clock ticking)

1256
00:58:17,616 --> 00:58:20,019
(birds calling)

1257
00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:22,849
[Frank] We're cleaning
her up, chipping, painting,

1258
00:58:22,850 --> 00:58:25,479
adding some steel, as, you know,

1259
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,709
she's got some time onto her.

1260
00:58:27,710 --> 00:58:30,199
(sander whirring)

1261
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,329
We've lost everything.
We've lost our market.

1262
00:58:32,330 --> 00:58:36,099
We've lost opportunity.
Our investments are no good.

1263
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:37,833
This boat isn't worth a damn.

1264
00:58:38,810 --> 00:58:41,385
I can't sell it, even if I want to.

1265
00:58:41,386 --> 00:58:44,553
(paintbrush scraping)

1266
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,230
It's a catch 22.

1267
00:58:47,231 --> 00:58:50,394
You can't stay in, yet you can't get out.

1268
00:58:50,395 --> 00:58:53,812
(welding torch crackles)

1269
00:58:57,710 --> 00:59:01,669
Our port infrastructures,
our machine shops,

1270
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:04,079
our oil facilities, our ice facilities,

1271
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,899
all the ancillary businesses,

1272
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:10,359
our supply businesses,
have gone into demise as well.

1273
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,021
The City of Gloucester has been ruined.

1274
00:59:14,022 --> 00:59:17,855
(soft somber music continues)

1275
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:22,989
They've opened up the door.

1276
00:59:22,990 --> 00:59:24,479
Not just cracked it open,

1277
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,569
they've opened up the door.

1278
00:59:26,570 --> 00:59:28,509
We're gonna lose more people

1279
00:59:28,510 --> 00:59:30,469
in the industry, more boats.

1280
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:32,939
And once they start building condominiums

1281
00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:35,699
and hotels in the waterfront,

1282
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:37,800
the fishing boats are not gonna come back.

1283
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,543
I used to say that we
could feed the world.

1284
00:59:43,810 --> 00:59:46,269
Then I used to say we
could feed the United States.

1285
00:59:46,270 --> 00:59:49,403
And now I'm just saying just
let us feed Massachusetts.

1286
00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:55,096
In a few years, the only
thing we're gonna have

1287
00:59:55,097 --> 00:59:57,609
are these oars with the name of the boats

1288
00:59:57,610 --> 00:59:58,733
that they are no more.

1289
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:02,887
In silence, I was saying that to myself.

1290
01:00:04,753 --> 01:00:06,479
It's gonna go corporate.

1291
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,280
That's where all of this is leading.

1292
01:00:09,702 --> 01:00:12,352
And that'll be the end of
a great and long tradition.

1293
01:00:14,980 --> 01:00:16,889
Fishermen are absolutely right

1294
01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:20,279
to feel as though they have been targeted,

1295
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,430
because they have been.

1296
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,139
The fishermen who are
struggling to make ends meet,

1297
01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:27,269
whose quotas are constantly being slashed,

1298
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:30,119
who are being given
very different information

1299
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,413
from different sources and
who are largely being vilified,

1300
01:00:34,340 --> 01:00:36,359
they feel under attack.

1301
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,360
And rightly so.

1302
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:44,099
Everyone in this discussion
has equal interest.

1303
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:46,389
Everyone wants to sustain jobs.

1304
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:48,789
Everyone wants to have dinner on the table.

1305
01:00:48,790 --> 01:00:51,563
Everyone wants resilient ecosystems.

1306
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,359
But it's that lack of understanding

1307
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,949
that we're all in this together

1308
01:00:55,950 --> 01:00:57,500
that I think is so detrimental.

1309
01:00:59,710 --> 01:01:03,173
If there are no fishermen,
there's no seafood.

1310
01:01:04,956 --> 01:01:07,329
And, ultimately, we're
trying to sustain the ocean

1311
01:01:07,330 --> 01:01:09,623
so that we may sustain ourselves.

1312
01:01:13,547 --> 01:01:17,380
(soft somber music continues)

1313
01:01:22,284 --> 01:01:24,689
(soft upbeat music)

1314
01:01:24,690 --> 01:01:27,179
I had grown up on
same-day sourced seafood,

1315
01:01:27,180 --> 01:01:30,359
and I knew what really
fresh seafood tasted like.

1316
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,329
I was traveling through Spain

1317
01:01:32,330 --> 01:01:34,109
and I saw bass fishermen coming up

1318
01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:36,166
with their wicker baskets
filled with ice and fish,

1319
01:01:36,167 --> 01:01:37,909
and they were going
right into the restaurants

1320
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:38,910
in the harbor.

1321
01:01:41,950 --> 01:01:44,399
Moments later, the waiters were coming out

1322
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,999
and changing the menu board.

1323
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,159
And what we just saw
go in the wicker basket

1324
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,960
was what was on the menu that night.

1325
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:57,806
And that was kind of the light bulb.

1326
01:01:57,807 --> 01:01:58,959
I had an epiphany there.

1327
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,729
I was like, "Why can't we do that at home?

1328
01:02:01,730 --> 01:02:03,527
We should have this at home."

1329
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:07,943
Voila, suddenly, Dock to Dish was born.

1330
01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:14,199
[Sarah] Dock to Dish operates

1331
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,519
as a restaurant-supported fishery,

1332
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,129
which is a membership-based program.

1333
01:02:20,130 --> 01:02:23,059
Instead of a chef
walking into a fish market

1334
01:02:23,060 --> 01:02:24,589
and saying, "This is what I want,

1335
01:02:24,590 --> 01:02:26,529
this is what's on my menu,"

1336
01:02:26,530 --> 01:02:28,189
we're now switching it to,

1337
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:30,129
the fisherman comes into the harbor,

1338
01:02:30,130 --> 01:02:33,329
and whatever comes in
within that 24-hour period

1339
01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:34,980
gets delivered to the restaurant.

1340
01:02:40,110 --> 01:02:42,509
It was the community-supported
agriculture movement,

1341
01:02:42,510 --> 01:02:45,279
it was the CSAs that you
saw in the local farms here

1342
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,680
is where I really was
able to see the blueprint.

1343
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,132
They blazed a trail for us to follow,

1344
01:02:52,133 --> 01:02:54,149
and so now, fisheries and seafood,

1345
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:55,779
we're just following what the farmers

1346
01:02:55,780 --> 01:02:57,980
and the chefs have
done already on the land.

1347
01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:02,929
Our whole premise is built on transparency,

1348
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:04,499
a know-your-fishermen culture.

1349
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:06,579
You really should be entitled

1350
01:03:06,580 --> 01:03:08,273
to know who caught your seafood.

1351
01:03:10,290 --> 01:03:11,165
Hey, Jeff.

1352
01:03:11,166 --> 01:03:12,409
(Jeff speaks faintly)

1353
01:03:12,410 --> 01:03:13,410
Yeah.

1354
01:03:17,064 --> 01:03:22,064
(laughs) That is awesome.
(woman laughs)

1355
01:03:22,190 --> 01:03:26,309
So these are warty
California sea cucumbers.

1356
01:03:26,310 --> 01:03:27,887
I'm gonna buy some from you.

1357
01:03:29,361 --> 01:03:31,049
4.50 a pound.
[Jeff] Yeah.

1358
01:03:31,050 --> 01:03:33,020
[Sarah] Well, then I can take 50 pounds.

1359
01:03:33,021 --> 01:03:34,899
(laughs) Smile.

1360
01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:35,733
I'm smiling.

1361
01:03:35,734 --> 01:03:38,199
[Sarah] (laughs) He's like, "I'm smiling.

1362
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,217
What do you want?"

1363
01:03:42,590 --> 01:03:45,909
This demand-based
system is not sustainable.

1364
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:47,210
We've already proven that.

1365
01:03:48,590 --> 01:03:52,909
We're really changing the
conversation around fish,

1366
01:03:52,910 --> 01:03:56,601
actively making it a more
sustainable endeavor.

1367
01:03:56,602 --> 01:03:58,143
It's always the way, right?

1368
01:03:59,370 --> 01:04:01,279
We get to write that check right there

1369
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,119
on the docks to the fishermen.

1370
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,419
So where are these fish going?

1371
01:04:04,420 --> 01:04:06,829
They're gonna Providence in LA

1372
01:04:06,830 --> 01:04:09,989
with one of the best
seafood restaurants out there.

1373
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:13,509
They can go out when the weather is good.

1374
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:17,269
They know they have a paycheck
waiting for them on the dock.

1375
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:18,499
That would be awesome.

1376
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:20,486
And as soon as those
urchins are good, let me know.

1377
01:04:20,487 --> 01:04:21,457
Yeah, I will.

1378
01:04:21,458 --> 01:04:24,057
[Sarah] That's not something
that they're used to.

1379
01:04:25,493 --> 01:04:27,279
If you're an American fisherman

1380
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,139
following American laws,

1381
01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:30,859
you're a sustainable fishery.

1382
01:04:30,860 --> 01:04:32,309
We firmly believe that, like,

1383
01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:33,929
if there's something unsustainable

1384
01:04:33,930 --> 01:04:34,763
about what you're doing,

1385
01:04:34,764 --> 01:04:37,047
NOAA is gonna be the
first one to eliminate you.

1386
01:04:41,059 --> 01:04:42,969
What we need to move towards

1387
01:04:42,970 --> 01:04:44,969
and what I hope that this program

1388
01:04:44,970 --> 01:04:46,779
is helping to demonstrate

1389
01:04:46,780 --> 01:04:49,183
is a more supply-driven network.

1390
01:04:53,857 --> 01:04:56,857
(crickets chirping)

1391
01:05:01,622 --> 01:05:02,622
C'mon.

1392
01:05:03,964 --> 01:05:07,047
(truck engine roars)

1393
01:05:08,050 --> 01:05:10,099
Really, you have to start somewhere.

1394
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:13,213
And right now where
we're starting is at the top.

1395
01:05:14,223 --> 01:05:16,640
(soft music)

1396
01:05:25,230 --> 01:05:26,230
Hi!

1397
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,269
So what do you have for us today?

1398
01:05:30,270 --> 01:05:32,494
The meat is really orange.

1399
01:05:32,495 --> 01:05:35,819
It's got these crazy black lines on it.

1400
01:05:35,820 --> 01:05:37,019
It's really beautiful.

1401
01:05:37,020 --> 01:05:39,741
That's usually bycatch,
so that's really exciting.

1402
01:05:39,742 --> 01:05:42,232
[Niki] Let's get to it.
[Sarah] Yeah.

1403
01:05:42,233 --> 01:05:44,129
I've been looking for so long

1404
01:05:44,130 --> 01:05:46,779
to find fish that are from California,

1405
01:05:46,780 --> 01:05:50,089
and it's been very hard
to source these ingredients

1406
01:05:50,090 --> 01:05:52,086
because a lot of the fish that are caught

1407
01:05:52,087 --> 01:05:55,989
don't end up in the markets
that are available to us.

1408
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:58,433
The meat is so fresh, Sarah.

1409
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:03,109
Yes, 'cause it's just really firm,

1410
01:06:03,110 --> 01:06:05,432
really clean, really shiny.

1411
01:06:05,433 --> 01:06:08,433
(soft upbeat music)

1412
01:06:14,913 --> 01:06:16,049
It's good.

1413
01:06:16,050 --> 01:06:18,449
We have a mantra that define our cooking,

1414
01:06:18,450 --> 01:06:20,700
and we say the fish
is the star of the plate.

1415
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:24,323
We are looking for the
best ingredients possible.

1416
01:06:25,405 --> 01:06:28,679
If you give someone
wild fish, for instance,

1417
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,733
and you give him again
what he was buying before,

1418
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,669
I'm sure all the consumer
will know the difference.

1419
01:06:36,670 --> 01:06:38,320
I think it's all about education.

1420
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,349
So we've got two beautiful yellows.

1421
01:06:41,350 --> 01:06:42,663
That's nice.

1422
01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:49,220
Wow. This will be an adventure.

1423
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:51,019
All sorts of people
walk into this restaurant

1424
01:06:51,020 --> 01:06:52,309
and say, "Well, I don't eat uni."

1425
01:06:52,310 --> 01:06:55,719
But yet, I talk to people all the time here

1426
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,199
that say that they tried uni

1427
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,119
for the first time here and loved it.

1428
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,729
So I think there's always that possibility

1429
01:07:01,730 --> 01:07:02,939
that you can turn people on

1430
01:07:02,940 --> 01:07:04,609
to something they've never had before

1431
01:07:04,610 --> 01:07:05,810
and please them with it.

1432
01:07:06,910 --> 01:07:10,123
I spent a lot of time
around fishermen as a kid.

1433
01:07:11,790 --> 01:07:14,329
I feel a certain responsibility, I think,

1434
01:07:14,330 --> 01:07:16,799
to try and really highlight
American seafood,

1435
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,123
wild American seafood.

1436
01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:21,069
To my mind, the less American fishermen

1437
01:07:21,070 --> 01:07:22,499
that are contemplating selling their boats

1438
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:24,900
and giving it all up,
the better off we all are.

1439
01:07:26,435 --> 01:07:28,949
When we look for
chefs, we are really looking

1440
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:32,639
for people who embrace the whole animal.

1441
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,899
It's not just the filet
that people are getting.

1442
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:36,749
They're getting a bouillabaisse sauce

1443
01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:39,227
made out of the head and the tail

1444
01:07:39,228 --> 01:07:42,219
or a sauce thickened by the eyes

1445
01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:45,109
or the cheeks themselves.

1446
01:07:45,110 --> 01:07:46,510
It's not just about
utilizing all the fish,

1447
01:07:46,511 --> 01:07:48,819
it's about really creating a
cuisine around the whole fish

1448
01:07:48,820 --> 01:07:51,783
and a culture around the whole fish.

1449
01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:53,853
Here we go.

1450
01:07:53,854 --> 01:07:56,699
Mackerel Español, Jose. España.

1451
01:07:56,700 --> 01:07:59,435
These are actually from the
Beckwith brothers in Montauk.

1452
01:07:59,436 --> 01:08:01,029
If you're bringing fish to Dan Barber,

1453
01:08:01,030 --> 01:08:03,240
you better let him know who caught it.

1454
01:08:03,241 --> 01:08:05,779
Okay, they're going
on the menu tonight.

1455
01:08:05,780 --> 01:08:09,279
How do we create delicious dishes

1456
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,423
out of the fish that you
normally wouldn't use?

1457
01:08:14,049 --> 01:08:15,981
A great example is bouillabaisse.

1458
01:08:15,982 --> 01:08:17,739
Fishermen arrived to the docks,

1459
01:08:17,740 --> 01:08:19,769
and the wives took out all the damaged fish

1460
01:08:19,770 --> 01:08:22,119
and all the fish that were
in the nets that wouldn't sell.

1461
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,163
And they made this beautiful stew.

1462
01:08:24,164 --> 01:08:26,609
It ends up becoming an iconic dish

1463
01:08:26,610 --> 01:08:27,839
that becomes what it means

1464
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,783
to be French by the seashore.

1465
01:08:30,770 --> 01:08:33,261
The barrier for a lot of
the underutilized species

1466
01:08:33,262 --> 01:08:35,369
was that people just
weren't familiar with them.

1467
01:08:35,370 --> 01:08:36,599
They didn't know how to cook them.

1468
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,669
The chefs have removed that ceiling.

1469
01:08:38,670 --> 01:08:39,739
Now they're cool.

1470
01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:42,059
We have a lot of
questions from regulars.

1471
01:08:42,060 --> 01:08:45,389
And a lot of people
who are consider foodies

1472
01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:47,709
are very interested knowing

1473
01:08:47,710 --> 01:08:50,180
that the fish is sustainable

1474
01:08:51,020 --> 01:08:55,299
and we are helping the
fishermen to have a job

1475
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:58,440
and be financially sustainable as well.

1476
01:08:59,700 --> 01:09:02,499
We tend to associate deliciousness

1477
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:05,199
and enjoyment of food
with some kind of gluttony,

1478
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,399
some kind of negative
impact on the environment

1479
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:08,839
when actually, the opposite is true

1480
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,613
if it's done with intelligent design.

1481
01:09:13,210 --> 01:09:14,709
You as an eater don't have a choice

1482
01:09:14,710 --> 01:09:15,909
if this is what you're being handed.

1483
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:18,579
And as long as there's
culinary craft involved

1484
01:09:18,580 --> 01:09:21,349
and it's a key component, gluttony is good

1485
01:09:21,350 --> 01:09:24,269
in the pursuit of this kind of balance.

1486
01:09:24,270 --> 01:09:25,770
The choices that we make here

1487
01:09:25,771 --> 01:09:28,529
hopefully will inspire
the people that come here

1488
01:09:28,530 --> 01:09:30,199
to go and make similar choices

1489
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,159
when they go out to purchase seafood,

1490
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,099
you know, in the retail setting.

1491
01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:37,239
I feel like it's a
collective awakening.

1492
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,719
We are at a crossroad.

1493
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,399
We are, and it's not
too late to change things.

1494
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,059
I do believe that,
you know, ultimately,

1495
01:09:45,060 --> 01:09:46,729
these ideas end up trickling down.

1496
01:09:46,730 --> 01:09:48,097
It just takes awhile.

1497
01:09:48,098 --> 01:09:50,151
(class bell rings)

1498
01:09:50,152 --> 01:09:53,319
(students chattering)

1499
01:09:54,450 --> 01:09:56,389
Finding fish that was caught locally,

1500
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:58,979
processed locally, and then delivered to us

1501
01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:00,712
was almost impossible at a price point

1502
01:10:00,713 --> 01:10:03,809
that we could deal with in a public school.

1503
01:10:03,810 --> 01:10:06,413
New Hampshire Community
Seafood made it possible.

1504
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:08,879
[Spencer] Hey there, chef.

1505
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:09,713
Hey, how are ya?

1506
01:10:09,714 --> 01:10:11,239
We've got some locally caught

1507
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,759
and processed Acadian
redfish for you, yeah.

1508
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:16,760
Very nice.

1509
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,839
Some herbs, breadcrumbs,
and a little butter,

1510
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:20,969
some fresh lemon juice.

1511
01:10:20,970 --> 01:10:23,170
Nice and simple,
and it's fresh. It works.

1512
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,299
This fish was caught by
New Hampshire fishermen,

1513
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:28,679
as well as processed in New Hampshire.

1514
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,309
And we're bringing it to the schools today

1515
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:32,279
through New Hampshire Farm to School.

1516
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,719
And we're building a new layer

1517
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,769
of access for young high school students,

1518
01:10:35,770 --> 01:10:37,169
elementary and middle as well,

1519
01:10:37,170 --> 01:10:39,183
to eat locally caught seafood.

1520
01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:41,889
There's a study that says that kids

1521
01:10:41,890 --> 01:10:44,909
eat 2/3 of what they
eat in a day at school.

1522
01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:47,529
So we have a bigger impact

1523
01:10:47,530 --> 01:10:48,363
on what they're eating now

1524
01:10:48,364 --> 01:10:49,939
and what they're eating in the future

1525
01:10:49,940 --> 01:10:51,790
than I think a lot of people realize.

1526
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:55,492
So we're here to show you the fish

1527
01:10:55,493 --> 01:10:58,359
that you guys will be
eating today, super fresh.

1528
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,668
You can eat the eyes, actually. (laughs)

1529
01:11:02,669 --> 01:11:05,752
(soft upbeat music)

1530
01:11:07,373 --> 01:11:09,339
do you guys like it? I mean what's.

1531
01:11:09,340 --> 01:11:10,739
Yeah, it's pretty good.

1532
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:11,658
[Spencer] Well, you already ate it.

1533
01:11:11,659 --> 01:11:13,903
It's all gone.
Yeah, it's gone. It's gone.

1534
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:17,029
Yeah, so there's the filet.

1535
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:19,299
Just about a little angle, but nice.

1536
01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:22,129
That was a good first cut, I'd say.

1537
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:24,294
I would, if the school
continued to do this,

1538
01:11:24,295 --> 01:11:26,899
'cause most people don't eat fish

1539
01:11:26,900 --> 01:11:29,219
in their daily routines.

1540
01:11:29,220 --> 01:11:30,789
They don't understand that there

1541
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:33,439
are many different types
of fish that you can eat.

1542
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:34,539
I mean, I'm a fishermen daughter,

1543
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:35,629
so I'm used to fish

1544
01:11:35,630 --> 01:11:38,099
that's no more than six or eight hours old.

1545
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:41,089
So I was pleasantly
surprised when I came in here

1546
01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:43,219
and the room didn't smell like fish,

1547
01:11:43,220 --> 01:11:44,799
which it's not supposed to,

1548
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,550
and it actually tasted really good.

1549
01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:50,332
One of the ways that
we can get fish here

1550
01:11:50,333 --> 01:11:52,579
at the right price is if we order

1551
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:54,529
500 pounds at a time and have it split up

1552
01:11:54,530 --> 01:11:56,633
between all the different districts.

1553
01:11:58,130 --> 01:11:59,689
We're not looking for things like cod

1554
01:11:59,690 --> 01:12:01,209
and halibut and salmon

1555
01:12:01,210 --> 01:12:02,359
and things that we can't afford,

1556
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,219
but we can do a lot with pollock

1557
01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:06,653
and hake and dogfish.

1558
01:12:07,660 --> 01:12:08,989
We really just wanna promote

1559
01:12:08,990 --> 01:12:10,639
like a bio-diverse plate.

1560
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,419
So yeah, redfish today.

1561
01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:13,819
Maybe who knows, next month,

1562
01:12:13,820 --> 01:12:15,070
you guys will do dogfish.

1563
01:12:16,340 --> 01:12:19,090
(student laughs)

1564
01:12:24,190 --> 01:12:25,795
Thank you for that question.

1565
01:12:25,796 --> 01:12:26,929
I think it's very important

1566
01:12:26,930 --> 01:12:28,769
from a public health perspective

1567
01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:31,239
that we acknowledge that access

1568
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,709
to sustainable, healthy protein,

1569
01:12:33,710 --> 01:12:37,419
healthy seafood, is
imperative in American society.

1570
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:39,049
Further, the average age of fishermen

1571
01:12:39,050 --> 01:12:41,029
in this country is growing.

1572
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:43,239
And few participants
are joining their ranks.

1573
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,779
A lack of jobs and
prosperity in wild fisheries

1574
01:12:46,780 --> 01:12:48,629
has led young people in coastal communities

1575
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:50,553
to look for work elsewhere.

1576
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:54,359
Aquaculture could provide
that missing opportunity

1577
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,589
in an exciting and innovative new industry.

1578
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:59,499
And this is already happening

1579
01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:00,909
where sons and daughters of fishermen

1580
01:13:00,910 --> 01:13:02,309
are operating dozens of oyster,

1581
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:03,463
mussel, seaweed farms.

1582
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,483
(soft upbeat music)

1583
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,069
I'm a shellfish farmer in Wellfleet.

1584
01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:13,953
This is not an instant
gratification type of job.

1585
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,813
You have to have a little patience.

1586
01:13:17,917 --> 01:13:21,259
I mean, a hard shell clam takes typically

1587
01:13:21,260 --> 01:13:25,573
24 to 36 months for a harvest.

1588
01:13:27,889 --> 01:13:30,299
Aquaculture is gaining traction.

1589
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:33,469
Oysters have really come into vogue lately.

1590
01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:34,933
And that's great,
because it's shedding light

1591
01:13:34,934 --> 01:13:38,229
on a conversation that is more

1592
01:13:38,230 --> 01:13:40,363
than just how good is this oyster.

1593
01:13:41,900 --> 01:13:43,636
I get more and more inquiries about,

1594
01:13:43,637 --> 01:13:45,339
"Hey, can I get out to the flats

1595
01:13:45,340 --> 01:13:46,792
and see actually where these are from?"

1596
01:13:46,793 --> 01:13:47,833
I say, "Sure.

1597
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:49,830
Let's go take a walk out there,

1598
01:13:49,831 --> 01:13:52,439
and we'll show you
exactly where they're from."

1599
01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:54,049
People are doing a good job.

1600
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:56,323
And I think the better job they do,

1601
01:13:57,500 --> 01:13:59,509
the better it is for the business

1602
01:13:59,510 --> 01:14:02,083
and the economy in town here.

1603
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:07,099
[Alex] Not only does it provide
a sustainable resource,

1604
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:09,539
it employs local people,

1605
01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:11,329
and it's also completely beneficial

1606
01:14:11,330 --> 01:14:13,080
to the health of the harbor itself.

1607
01:14:14,210 --> 01:14:17,023
Clams, oysters, mussels, seaweed,

1608
01:14:17,024 --> 01:14:19,489
these are all things that remove nitrogen

1609
01:14:19,490 --> 01:14:22,239
from the environment, prevent dead zones,

1610
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:23,393
that actually clean the water

1611
01:14:23,394 --> 01:14:25,169
and actually provide habitat

1612
01:14:25,170 --> 01:14:27,270
for a lot of the fish that we like to eat.

1613
01:14:32,707 --> 01:14:35,179
So I cannot stress enough
how much aquaculture

1614
01:14:35,180 --> 01:14:39,609
must co-exist in parallel
with our wild fisheries,

1615
01:14:39,610 --> 01:14:41,409
as they will augment each other

1616
01:14:41,410 --> 01:14:43,839
and ultimately raise the profile and value

1617
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,490
of each of each other's products.

1618
01:14:48,533 --> 01:14:53,489
(soft music)
(waves splashing)

1619
01:14:53,490 --> 01:14:54,639
We have to be serious.

1620
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,799
We cannot speak from
all sides of our mouth.

1621
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,769
If for conservation we're trying to do,

1622
01:14:59,770 --> 01:15:01,773
then let's stick to the conservation.

1623
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,379
125 pound of red fish filet.

1624
01:15:08,380 --> 01:15:10,329
Every year in Boston at this time a year,

1625
01:15:10,330 --> 01:15:12,839
there's the Boston Seafood Expo,

1626
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,529
and all the whole world comes to it.

1627
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:18,309
People are trying to sell fish

1628
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:20,487
and people are coming to buy fish.

1629
01:15:20,488 --> 01:15:22,559
(Angela speaks in Italian)

1630
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:27,089
We are promoting the
Gloucester fishing industry.

1631
01:15:27,090 --> 01:15:29,415
We are doing the redfish soup.

1632
01:15:29,416 --> 01:15:31,609
Redfishes right now is one of those fish

1633
01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:32,939
that there is abundance.

1634
01:15:32,940 --> 01:15:34,719
It's very sustainable.

1635
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:35,869
It's a beautiful fish.

1636
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:37,463
It's beautiful to look at it.

1637
01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:40,969
Already my eyes are killing me.

1638
01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:43,266
Yeah, we'll put more
celery and onions in there.

1639
01:15:43,267 --> 01:15:45,213
Too many carrots. I'm coming.

1640
01:15:46,820 --> 01:15:49,849
My eyes are already
killing me with the onions.

1641
01:15:49,850 --> 01:15:52,729
Jason, if you see
that it's a little watery,

1642
01:15:52,730 --> 01:15:56,829
then keep the cover
this way so it steams out.

1643
01:15:56,830 --> 01:15:58,580
There's gonna be fish in the ocean,

1644
01:15:59,610 --> 01:16:01,260
and somebody is gonna catch them.

1645
01:16:02,234 --> 01:16:07,234
And if the small family-owned
boat doesn't exist anymore

1646
01:16:07,410 --> 01:16:09,559
because they're getting wiped out

1647
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,203
and because our boats are old,

1648
01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:13,530
who's gonna fish?

1649
01:16:14,770 --> 01:16:15,793
Factory trawlers.

1650
01:16:17,650 --> 01:16:18,483
Would you like to taste

1651
01:16:18,484 --> 01:16:20,029
some redfish soup?
[Man] Yes, please.

1652
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:21,939
Well, this came in yesterday

1653
01:16:21,940 --> 01:16:23,859
on the boats in Gloucester.

1654
01:16:23,860 --> 01:16:26,249
This is a very old tradition fish.

1655
01:16:26,250 --> 01:16:28,529
The redfish was the fish

1656
01:16:28,530 --> 01:16:30,199
that fed the American armed force

1657
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:31,289
during World War II.

1658
01:16:31,290 --> 01:16:32,859
Do you get redfish all year long?

1659
01:16:32,860 --> 01:16:35,799
Yes, our boats can
get redfish all year long.

1660
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,479
So we're hoping to increase
the requests for them

1661
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,309
so we can keep our fishermen fishing.

1662
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:45,809
Unfortunately, we don't have any containers

1663
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:48,103
for take-home. (laughs)

1664
01:16:49,260 --> 01:16:50,949
If we don't do that, believe me,

1665
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:54,339
there will be condominiums
and hotels and restaurant

1666
01:16:54,340 --> 01:16:57,419
and T-shirts and taffy in
the Gloucester waterfront.

1667
01:16:57,420 --> 01:16:58,950
There will be.

1668
01:16:58,951 --> 01:17:01,618
(water rushing)

1669
01:17:06,990 --> 01:17:08,829
When things started
dwindling, we cut back.

1670
01:17:08,830 --> 01:17:10,669
We cut back on gear.

1671
01:17:10,670 --> 01:17:13,679
We cut back on maintenance to the boats.

1672
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,309
We had to sell three boats

1673
01:17:15,310 --> 01:17:18,309
at probably way below fair market value

1674
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:19,359
just to get rid of them,

1675
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:20,419
'cause we couldn't pay the insurance,

1676
01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:21,820
we couldn't pay the dockage.

1677
01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:25,869
So we went from a good, vibrant business,

1678
01:17:25,870 --> 01:17:28,900
everybody very happy, to basically

1679
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:32,744
working on a thread right now.

1680
01:17:32,745 --> 01:17:35,828
(soft somber music)

1681
01:17:36,833 --> 01:17:38,079
For the captains and owners

1682
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,429
that are staying in this business,

1683
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:43,323
it takes change, a lot of change.

1684
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,473
It's time, perseverance.

1685
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:51,779
Brian, my great-nephew and I,

1686
01:17:51,780 --> 01:17:54,459
decided to rig up the 44-foot Ryan Zachary

1687
01:17:54,460 --> 01:17:58,399
for an experimental mackerel jig fishery,

1688
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,400
automated mackerel reels out of Iceland.

1689
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,193
We're catching quite a
few mackerel when we go.

1690
01:18:05,490 --> 01:18:06,729
Your great-great-grandfather

1691
01:18:06,730 --> 01:18:08,925
would have been proud of you.

1692
01:18:08,926 --> 01:18:12,593
(soft inspirational music)

1693
01:18:13,930 --> 01:18:15,759
People think they get fish

1694
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,979
from a supermarket wrapped in plastic.

1695
01:18:17,980 --> 01:18:20,319
You know, they have no connection

1696
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:21,993
to who caught the fish.

1697
01:18:23,250 --> 01:18:24,989
Once they start to think about,

1698
01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:27,229
where did that fish come from

1699
01:18:27,230 --> 01:18:29,110
and did it come from my neighbor

1700
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,689
and how was it handled

1701
01:18:33,690 --> 01:18:35,100
and who processed it

1702
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,849
before I put it in my
frying pan or on the grill?

1703
01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:41,559
Once they start asking
questions about that,

1704
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,363
then there's a story to tell.

1705
01:18:46,522 --> 01:18:48,969
What I think we as
consumers must demand

1706
01:18:48,970 --> 01:18:50,673
is storied seafood,

1707
01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:53,999
because if that seafood has a story,

1708
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,699
then we can apply our value system

1709
01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:59,349
in choosing whether or not we buy it.

1710
01:18:59,350 --> 01:19:00,489
If it comes from somebody

1711
01:19:00,490 --> 01:19:02,966
that's snapping up quota
and harming neighbors

1712
01:19:02,967 --> 01:19:06,859
and doing things that I
don't necessarily agree with,

1713
01:19:06,860 --> 01:19:09,193
well, I'm not gonna buy his or her fish.

1714
01:19:10,204 --> 01:19:12,379
And if this person is acting responsibly,

1715
01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:14,279
is local, is fishing artisanally,

1716
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,499
is going out teaching his son,

1717
01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:17,779
apprenticing in the same thing,

1718
01:19:17,780 --> 01:19:20,379
okay, that's something
I really can get into.

1719
01:19:20,380 --> 01:19:22,463
Okay. I will buy that story.

1720
01:19:23,850 --> 01:19:25,369
I think what's really important

1721
01:19:25,370 --> 01:19:27,589
is people being aware

1722
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:29,409
and not being satisfied when I read a menu

1723
01:19:29,410 --> 01:19:31,269
that just says sea bass.

1724
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:32,609
But what kind of sea bass is it?

1725
01:19:32,610 --> 01:19:34,079
And where was that sea bass from?

1726
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,329
And how was that sea bass caught?

1727
01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:37,339
And is it wild or is it farm-raised?

1728
01:19:37,340 --> 01:19:39,699
And is it fresh or is it frozen?

1729
01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:41,021
If you don't get the answers that you like,

1730
01:19:41,022 --> 01:19:43,313
then those are the fish
that you should be avoiding.

1731
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,419
If you really wanna support fish

1732
01:19:46,420 --> 01:19:48,919
and you want to support the rebuilding

1733
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,579
of our ecosystem, then buy local fish.

1734
01:19:52,580 --> 01:19:54,709
Try a variety of fish.

1735
01:19:54,710 --> 01:19:57,199
You'll encourage fishermen
to take more control

1736
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,409
over their future, to
fish more responsibly.

1737
01:20:00,410 --> 01:20:01,553
And it'll be fresher.

1738
01:20:03,130 --> 01:20:04,839
[Peter] If it's been harvested

1739
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,879
in the United States
under the Magnuson Act,

1740
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,619
it's a sustainable product.

1741
01:20:09,620 --> 01:20:11,363
And so support your neighbor.

1742
01:20:14,620 --> 01:20:16,889
I think as much as we are trying

1743
01:20:16,890 --> 01:20:21,179
to save the oceans, we
are trying to save those

1744
01:20:21,180 --> 01:20:24,279
who provide us access to the oceans

1745
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,539
so that fishermen might regain a place

1746
01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:28,949
in our society that
they've rightfully earned,

1747
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:30,739
which is a place of honor.

1748
01:20:30,740 --> 01:20:31,909
Gloucester is a unique place.

1749
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:34,393
There'll never be another place like it.

1750
01:20:35,890 --> 01:20:38,609
That sticktuitiveness, that believing

1751
01:20:38,610 --> 01:20:40,449
that we can get the job done

1752
01:20:40,450 --> 01:20:42,113
no matter how large it is,

1753
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:48,880
that spirit is born in
scratching for a living

1754
01:20:49,740 --> 01:20:52,013
and wrestling a living from the sea.

1755
01:20:53,310 --> 01:20:55,101
And that will be gone.

1756
01:20:55,102 --> 01:20:56,602
That will be gone.

1757
01:21:02,150 --> 01:21:05,153
In a community like
Gloucester, there isn't much.

1758
01:21:06,885 --> 01:21:08,873
We're just a fishing town.

1759
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:13,859
And I really do believe our faith

1760
01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:14,953
will keep us strong.

1761
01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:20,986
Like my uncles told
me when I was a kid,

1762
01:21:20,987 --> 01:21:22,059
"You need to watch out, boy,

1763
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:23,660
because it gets into your blood.

1764
01:21:26,410 --> 01:21:28,437
It's an adventure. You'll love it."

1765
01:21:30,745 --> 01:21:32,145
We're just gonna keep going.

1766
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:35,713
We're doing the best we can.

1767
01:21:35,714 --> 01:21:37,459
He's not gonna get rich,

1768
01:21:37,460 --> 01:21:40,149
but if he can keep going

1769
01:21:40,150 --> 01:21:43,409
and raise a family and pay the bills,

1770
01:21:43,410 --> 01:21:44,607
it's not a bad living.

1771
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:47,917
(soft music)

1772
01:22:24,358 --> 01:22:27,525
(soft dramatic music)

1773
01:23:32,868 --> 01:23:35,868
(soft upbeat music)

1774
01:24:46,105 --> 01:24:48,605
(soft music)