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-(CHEERING)
-ANNOUNCER: As she came here
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to Boston to compete
in the Olympic Trials,
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she did so on a bad right leg.
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(AUDIENCE GASPS)
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-GYMNAST: It's bad. (SOBS)
-TRAINER: Okay.
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-(GYMNAST SOBS)
-TRAINER: All right.
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(SOBS)
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LARRY NASSAR: You okay?
It's that knee?
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-TRAINER: That's okay.
-NASSAR: Um, no. Debbie--
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We're gonna get her
into the back room.
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-Okay?
-GYMNAST: No, no.
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MAN: No, no, no.
GYMNAST: No.
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NASSAR: Hold on.
They're going to start
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-getting her to the--
-MAN 2: Stand up for us.
-GYMNAST: Yeah.
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NASSAR: Yep. Okay.
Got here there? And up.
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-MAN: Are you okay? Okay?
-(AUDIENCE CHEERS)
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-ANNOUNCER: This is gutsy stuff.
-(AUDIENCE CHEERING FADES)
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NASSAR: (VOICE RECORDING)
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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USA Gymnastics,
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the number one team
in the world.
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(CROWD CHEERING)
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LYNDSY GAMET: There's
a whole institution of people
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who knew through these years.
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ANNOUNCER:
Get the gold medals ready!
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(CHEERING)
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ISABELL HUTCHINS: I don't know
how anyone couldn't have known.
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(CHEERING)
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KYM WILLIAMS: Who goes
to their doctor's basement?
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ANNOUNCER 2:
There's a lot on the line.
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DOMINIQUE MOCEANU: Why on Earth
did they not report him then?
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REBECCA DAVIS O'BRIEN:
You know, there are many
missed opportunities.
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MARCI HAMILTON: They knew
they needed a better system,
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and they sat on their hands.
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CHRISTINE BRENNAN: This is
probably the darkest stain
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in U.S. Olympic history.
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-Wow.
-You're strong. You're strong.
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What have you done?
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♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
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(MOVIE PROJECTOR WHIRS)
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TRINEA GONCZAR: Gymnastics is
kind of an interesting sport.
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You either are
or you aren't one.
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You know, they'll tell you
right away if you're--
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if you're going to go
to the next level.
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They can see it in you, the way
you jump, the way you move.
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I just always was one.
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KATHY JOHNSON: I was perfectly
suited for gymnastics.
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I was tiny, strong, fearless,
loved flying,
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loved-- little daredevil.
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It's... the most amazing feeling
to be able to propel your body
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through the air
and flip around and stick it.
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It is flying.
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The feeling of having power,
that's, like,
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a lot of people don't talk about
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is, like, the flying thing
comes after the power
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and feeling that, like,
command over your body
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and doing stuff
that regular people can't do.
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ANNOUNCER 3: Now watch this.
Watch this.
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Back sommy right
to the other bar.
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ANNOUNCER 4: Has that
been done before by a girl?
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ANNOUNCER 3: Never! Never, not
by any human that I know of.
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MIKE JACKI: Olga in '72,
the American public,
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they were flabbergasted
by what she was able to do.
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They were enamored by it.
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♪ (CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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ANNOUNCER 3:
Isn't that something?
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I think the American culture
is infatuated with gymnastics
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because every four years,
you see these little, strong,
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wonderful, talented,
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amazing athletes pop out
on the big stage.
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(CHEERING)
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JULIET MACUR: I don't think
that any other Olympic sport
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in the summertime really gets
as many viewers,
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just because it has everything.
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It has the beauty,
it has the power,
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and the music,
and the drama of it.
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-(CHEERING)
-ANNOUNCER 5:
And what a champion!
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Absolutely superb performance.
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ANNOUNCER 6: Faultless.
Absolutely faultless.
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(CHEERING)
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A 10 has gone on the board.
That's perfection,
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and that is Olympic history
for Nadia Comaneci.
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MOCEANU:
Wanting that Olympic dream,
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wanting to be the best
in the world,
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you go and you train so hard
day in and day out.
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No matter how bad people
are treating you,
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you go back for more. You know?
You go back for more
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because you want that dream.
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It's--
it's burning inside of you.
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GONCZAR: Elite Olympic gymnasts
are typically, like, 15, 16,
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seventeen years old,
the peak of their sport.
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So, you have to start young
to get good
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to be still young
and be the best.
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MACUR: I think that
a lot of people think it's easy
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because they're so cute
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and they're so bouncy
and smiley.
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But really, I don't think
there's a sport that's harder
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in terms of the age
where they expect to excel
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and the demands that
the coaches put on them.
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I think it's mentally difficult
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and one of the most
physically demanding sports.
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DAWN HOMER:
You're going to get hurt,
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and you're not going
to complain.
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It did not matter what happened
to you. You were not to cry.
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There were things like
when they would be racked.
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Racking is just like a torture
to these girls.
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It's trying to force them down
into splits,
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and you've got such
adult pressure being put
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on these little girls,
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And they are not to cry.
They are not to yell out.
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But yet, you know
they're in so much pain,
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but they just do it
without complaint.
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This is the tricky part
about our sport.
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To be great...
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takes so much energy, focus,
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intense training...
training through fatigue,
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sometimes injury,
as long as it's...
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not an injury that's going to
be dangerous or debilitating.
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But sometimes things are--
everything hurts.
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That's-- that's the whole thing
about being a great gymnast.
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It's almost like being
a wounded animal.
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You don't show your weakness.
You don't show that you're hurt.
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COACH: Same position.
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Ah.
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JESSICA O'BEIRNE: Gymnastics
is not a sport with a lot of...
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back and forth communication.
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It's a lot of... soldier,
learning how to be a soldier.
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O'BRIEN: These women
have to perform
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so that USA Gymnastics brings
in sponsorships
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so that US Olympic Committee
can be proud of them
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and trot them out
every four years for all of us
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to watch
so that NBC viewers can--
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you know it's a money machine.
And at the heart of it
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are teenage girls
and their bodies.
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It seems like a... arrangement
that's bound to create abuse.
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The former team doctor
for USA Gymnastics
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for twenty years
is facing dozens of accusations
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of sexual abuse including one
from a former Olympian.
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REPORTER: One of the women
has filed a criminal complaint
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against Nassar
with Michigan police.
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The other has filed a lawsuit
in California.
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Former Michigan State University
and Team USA Gymnastics doctor,
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Larry Nassar, has been arrested.
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O'BEIRNE: When I first heard
about Nassar,
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I was completely shocked,
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and then I totally
wasn't shocked at all
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because he's in exactly
the position
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to get away with this.
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Like, if you were
a child predator,
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you would become him.
It's so perfect.
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MACUR: Larry Nassar was a doctor
for USA Gymnastics
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for more than twenty years.
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He had worked
with Michigan State
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for just as long.
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SCOTT REID: He was a physician
at Michigan State University,
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and then he would be called
into camps,
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these periodic--
these monthly camps
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for the women's national team.
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And then World Championships,
major international
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national team events,
he'd be right there.
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MACUR: His contract
with Michigan State said
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you have to also do outreach
in the community.
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So, he also worked
with high schools
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and local gyms.
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So, literally, he had his hands
on hundreds of children
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every year for many years.
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HOMER: When Trinea
became a level five,
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we were all invited
to a big meeting.
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And in the meeting, they said,
"100 percent
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of your children
will be injured."
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And then I remember
being introduced
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to Larry as a trainer.
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And I thought, "Oh good,
there's a safety net.
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If they get injured,
there's a trainer."
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I felt we were lucky
to have Larry.
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He was seen as...
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like the guardian angel
of the gymnasts.
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He was all about, you know,
protecting the athletes.
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And that's not something we
often hear in the elite space.
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NASSAR: (RECORDING)
Not just physically,
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but mentally, you have
to protect your athletes.
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You have to let them know
that we care. You have to--
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not let them know,
but let them feel it,
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let them understand it,
let them breathe it.
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It's-- it's there. You know?
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It's not just
a pat on the back.
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You know what I mean? It has
to be sincere that we care.
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Larry Nassar was the good guy
in this whole web of people
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you have to deal with--
with gymnastics.
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How could a gymnast not say,
"Wow, this guy's so nice to me?
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Everybody else is so mean.
They want me to--
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to do an extra routine,
or my leg hurts
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and they want me
to keep running or something."
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He was brilliant at fooling
these girls into trusting him.
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And... and I don't know
how he got
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the Károlyis
to turn their backs,
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or maybe he did it
behind their back.
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I'm not sure how much
the Károlyis knew.
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I don't know for sure
if they knew about him.
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Did they know that he was alone
with gymnasts? Yes.
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Should they have known
that was against a policy,
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that there were policies
and procedures in place
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and he was violating them?
Yes.
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Did they care?
No.
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That gold medal
gymnastics coach, Béla Károlyi,
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has yet another winner
on his hands.
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REPORTER 2: Béla Károlyi
is the gymnastics coach
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who brought Nadia Comaneci
and Mary Lou Retton
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to Olympic fame.
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I'm not concerning
about anything else
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than to be the winner, to win.
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And I love to win. (LAUGHS)
That's the truth.
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Stronger, stronger, stronger,
stronger. Round it. In. There.
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(BÉLA KÁROLYI
INSTRUCTING INDISTINCTLY)
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Hit it. And up.
That's not good.
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You're not doing
the right thing.
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Hold that. (CONTINUES
INSTRUCTIONS IN ROMANIAN)
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MACUR: Béla and Márta Károlyi
are the most famous coaches
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in gymnastics history.
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REID:
Béla Károlyi was the architect
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of the Romanian dynasty.
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In the late '70s,
Béla comes around
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with Nadia Comaneci and others
and becomes
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the premiere global superpower
in gymnastics.
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At the time, the gymnasts were
mostly over 20 years old.
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It was really a women's sport.
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GEZA POZSAR: Béla and Márta
changed the concept
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of gymnastics
to train very young children,
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very intensive training
from six years old.
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MOCEANU: He had this philosophy.
Do enough repetition,
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and you stay prepubescent
and you don't gain weight,
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you're going to get
those girls to hit.
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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REID: These monthly camps
at the Károlyi Ranch in Texas
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were a huge factor
in creating this culture
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that created Larry Nassar.
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So, the Károlyi Ranch
is located
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near this little town called
New Waverly, Texas,
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like a filling station,
as they call them in Texas,
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and I think-- I don't even know
if they have a stoplight.
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You get off the freeway
and then you-- you're actually
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in the Sam Houston
National Forest,
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and you're going down
this red dirt road
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deeper and deeper
into this forest.
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It's like straight out
of a movie.
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And you finally come upon
this compound of a gym
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and a couple-- a house,
and like a dorm.
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There's snakes everywhere,
and bugs,
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and it's hotter than hell.
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And it's just
this Texan nightmare.
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O'BEIRNE:
The way that the Károlyis
implemented the system was,
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"We don't want you
to lose focus.
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We want you 100 percent focused
on gymnastics.
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Bond with your team.
That's it."
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JACKI: No phones, no internet...
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Very controlled.
They had things that
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were written to the athletes
that said
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while you were at the ranch,
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you could not go
to your personal coach.
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Or your parents.
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Now, is that a little bit weird?
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You say to somebody,
"You can't go to your parents?"
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REID: One of the main themes
about the Károlyi philosophy
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is athletic Darwinism.
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There are so many kids
out there,
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the U.S. is so deep now,
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that if you can't hold up
physically,
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or if you can't handle it
mentally,
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well, there's somebody dying
to get in here
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who will pay the price.
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So, they knew they could push
these kids hard, hard, hard.
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This kind of, like, brutal,
"Do a lot of numbers,
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as many numbers as possible
till you do it,
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doesn't matter if you're falling
flat on your back
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five, ten, fifteen,
twenty times.
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Doesn't matter
if you're injured.
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You-- you better not speak up,"
was the whole mentality
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in the environment.
You'd better not or else
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we're going to take
your Olympic dream away.
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REID: You're beat up. You have
coaches screaming at you,
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bullying you into doing stuff
that you're not
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either ready to do
or you're too tired to do.
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So, you're put
in dangerous situations.
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Nassar was the guy--
he was the positive guy.
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He's the guy who snuck
them food, gave them candy,
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let them borrow a cell phone.
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I mean, you talk
to all these women
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who were on the national team
who were abused by him,
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they said, "You know,
he was our friend.
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If Larry's doing this,
it must be okay because he--
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he's our friend. He's, like,
the one guy we trusted.
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INTERVIEWER: What was
your impression of Larry Nassar?
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Well, was a great guy.
I mean,
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I ask him to help my gymnasts
from my gym.
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I called him at nighttime
and next day, he helped me,
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uh, send me the X-ray. You know?
He didn't ask for any payment.
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When you're around sports
for a long time,
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you see team doctors, and...
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Nassar always kinda struck me
as a little bit different
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from guys in that position
in other sports.
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He kinda seemed
not quite up to speed.
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He's kind of a dopey guy
along for the ride.
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The thing about USA Gymnastics,
for all their global success,
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it's kind of
a small-time operation.
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The people there are there
because the Károlyis' blessing
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that they're not gonna
rock the boat.
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MOCEANU:
Márta liked that Nassar
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would toe the company line.
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He would tell them exactly
what they want to hear.
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There were girls
that got injured, and...
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you wanna get a gymnast back?
Sure, we can get her back.
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He would just kind of
play the game
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because he wanted the access.
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He had access to these kids
pretty much around the clock.
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He was doing this all kinds
of places,
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in dorm rooms
at the Károlyi Ranch,
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in dorm rooms
at the Sydney Olympics,
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you know, hotel rooms, wherever.
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NASSAR:
The view from the hotel room
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where we're staying at.
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At nighttime, "the City
of Lights," they call this.
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Just got back from training.
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MACUR: It's hard for me
to even fathom the fact that,
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you know, we'd see these
gymnasts at these Olympics,
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and they're interviewing
with us, saying,
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"Oh, well, I just came back
from treatment."
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Looking back now, my gosh,
these girls were coming
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to talk to us right after
they were abused by this doctor
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who's, like, always smiley
and, you know, uh,
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looked like, oh,
everybody's best friend,
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giving people gifts.
He was so sweet.
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I mean, it's--
it's, like, Sexual Abuse 101.
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NASSAR: Grab that. Okay.
Come back with your back hand,
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wrap it around. Got it.
Come around.
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Pull down. There you go.
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Grab with your other hand
and pull up.
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So, the athlete
can do this themselves.
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The athlete can learn to do
the Kinesio Tape themselves too.
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Because
it's in a sensitive area--
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GONCZAR: I find it hard
to look at him...
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as, like, a criminal,
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aside from all
of the things he did,
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because that's no-- I mean,
and I, I don't know.
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I don't really know
another criminal.
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I don't know another serial
child molester.
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He was so good at being
who he was
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on the other side of that.
Like he was, I mean...
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he was awesome. (CHUCKLES)
I hate even saying that
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'cause it's, like,
counter-intuitive of, like,
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what the heck's happening to us.
But...
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he was awesome. (CHUCKLES)
That's why we all loved him.
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I would have considered him
a friend.
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Uh, it's very, like when I first
heard about it,
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my immediate reaction
wasn't, "That's impossible."
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My immediate reaction was,
"Please don't let it be true,"
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because this is a man
that I trusted.
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We would sit and talk
for hours, and he would tell me
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about what a great philosophy
I had and how he loved
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how I protected children and um,
you know, all of this stuff
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that just makes me look back
and go,
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"God, what a master manipulator
he was."
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He was a typical
serial pedophile.
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Charming, powerful...
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He was able to pull the wool
over all of the adults' faces.
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What do you look for
in a child sex abuser?
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And the answer is,
the nice guy.
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It's kind of easy for them
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because they find places
where it is easy.
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A priest,
an ultra-Orthodox rabbi,
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a coach, a doctor
for the gymnastics team.
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MICK GREWAL: These girls
adored him and trusted him,
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and that's not just gymnasts.
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Larry Nassar saw anybody
who had a complaint:
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gymnasts, rowers,
cheerleaders, dancers.
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He lived three miles from me
in Holt, Michigan.
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It was just like a normal
suburb neighborhood.
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He was a personable,
God-fearing Catholic man.
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KRISTEN THELEN: He was
so involved in the community.
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He volunteered at the church.
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He volunteered
at the high schools.
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He was almost everywhere
we went, always smiling,
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charismatic...
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overly involved in our lives.
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GAMET: I was 14,
and I wanted to be a doctor,
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so Larry brought me to
Take Your Daughter to Work Day.
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We had each other's
phone numbers.
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I would text him almost daily.
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We were friends on Facebook.
He'd post on my wall.
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MELODY POSTHUMA:
He shared his Instagram,
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so I knew his children's names
and faces, and his wife.
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He'd ask about
your personal life.
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He knew about my friendships.
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He knew what classes
I was taking,
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where I wanted to go to college.
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He was a friend, a confidant,
at one time.
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Nassar was extremely well liked,
but he was also... admired
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as someone who was doing
amazing things
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for female gymnasts.
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Thank you for visiting
GymnasticsDoctor.com,
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where you can see
over 400 educational videos
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on how to rehabilitate
your gymnast.
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So, with a weak
glute medius muscle,
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this drops down,
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the foot rolls,
and she's got the--
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the weakness in the--
in the hip area here.
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Come off your toes
and come back,
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all in one motion.
Toes, arms, go.
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THELEN:
Every appointment, he would
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have his hands all over me,
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adjusting me,
massaging my back.
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And what some people
might not understand,
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that this is a really big part
of gymnastics
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that he took advantage of,
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that we're used to having adults
spotting us, helping us stretch.
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We're used to having
adults touch us.
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But Larry took it
a step further.
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He explained to my mom,
"I'm going to put my hands
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near a very private place
on your daughter."
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He didn't ask. He just said that
that's what he was going to do.
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Larry Nassar pretty much had a--
a primary method.
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You would come to him and,
"I have a backache.
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I have a hip problem."
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He would stick his ungloved...
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unlubricated hand
in your vaginal cavity
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and do what he called
"a vaginal adjustment."
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And it was, like,
this catchall treatment.
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You know, stuff that was
nowhere near your pelvic area,
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this was like,
"This'll make it better."
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JESSICA ANN SMITH:
He told me that
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I would probably
be uncomfortable
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and kind of explained
that in the vagina,
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there's a trigger point,
or pressure point,
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that would release to help him
work on my ankle
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to be less painful.
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In my case, I wasn't given
a heads up
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or any kind of explanation
about the procedure.
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I think he just said,
"Tell me if this hurts."
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Like, which it did,
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but everything
that he was doing hurt.
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He was doing,
like, pressure points
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and manipulations and, like,
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pushing on my muscles
with his elbows.
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Um. I was pretty used
to just, like...
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buckling down
and taking whatever pain.
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You're always told by coaches,
teachers, "No pain, no gain."
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So, when something's painful,
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you're thinking,
"This is helping me,
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and I'm getting better
because of it."
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I remember being like,
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"Can I survive this
for another two minutes?"
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Watching the clock on my phone,
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waiting for five minutes
to go past,
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ten minutes to go past,
up to 45 minutes or an hour.
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So, his appointments
would be two hours long.
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My analysis is, an hour
was medical, professional,
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and then the second half
was sexual.
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Trying to remember back,
you know, to these "treatments"
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and thinking back, and I'm like,
"How the heck didn't any, like--
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how did he do that?"
And then I'm like,
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"I don't think
there was a silent moment."
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I mean, I don't think
he ever stopped talking.
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"What's happening today?
How's, you know, your family?
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Oh Dawn, how's things going
with the kids?"
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HOMER:
Mother of three daughters.
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My goal was to keep them safe.
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And then I became an accomplice
in such a crazy world.
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I mean, he would talk
to the parents
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while he was doing this.
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And so, it--
it was confusing.
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The first time, specifically?
Um, well, my dad was in the room
473
00:22:16,125 --> 00:22:17,626
and I just...
474
00:22:17,709 --> 00:22:19,417
like, first I was like, "What?"
475
00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:21,667
Like, "Is this normal?
Like, "What is going on?"
476
00:22:21,751 --> 00:22:25,209
And then... a f--
a little bit...
477
00:22:25,292 --> 00:22:28,000
of thinking about it,
I was like...
478
00:22:28,083 --> 00:22:31,918
"Okay, well, my dad's
on the other side of the room,
479
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,918
so maybe it's normal."
Then I'm like,
480
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,834
"But does he know
what's happening?
481
00:22:36,918 --> 00:22:40,042
I don't know if he does.
Well, how do I ask about this?
482
00:22:40,125 --> 00:22:43,542
I can't ask about this."
And then, then you think,
483
00:22:43,626 --> 00:22:44,876
"Well, he's a doctor."
484
00:22:44,959 --> 00:22:46,542
I didn't think that
it happened to her
485
00:22:46,626 --> 00:22:51,042
because... I had no idea.
Like, I was there.
486
00:22:51,125 --> 00:22:52,959
I thought I saw everything.
487
00:22:53,042 --> 00:22:55,042
She was with me
at every single appointment.
488
00:22:55,125 --> 00:22:56,918
INTERVIEWER:
Was your mom always with you?
489
00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:59,209
Yeah, she was always in the room
with me.
490
00:22:59,292 --> 00:23:01,626
Having your own parent there,
and...
491
00:23:03,584 --> 00:23:05,292
he's still able to manage
492
00:23:05,375 --> 00:23:07,292
to get away with what he did,
493
00:23:07,375 --> 00:23:09,751
even with someone else
in the room,
494
00:23:09,834 --> 00:23:12,542
that-- that's really scary.
495
00:23:12,626 --> 00:23:14,334
This is a grooming behavior.
496
00:23:14,417 --> 00:23:17,500
The parent's sitting there.
The child's watching the parent.
497
00:23:17,584 --> 00:23:20,834
The child doesn't want to tell
the parent this is going on,
498
00:23:20,918 --> 00:23:22,292
but believes the parent
must know
499
00:23:22,375 --> 00:23:23,834
because it's happening
right in front of them,
500
00:23:23,918 --> 00:23:26,334
so it's okay.
So, guess what happens later on?
501
00:23:26,417 --> 00:23:28,918
Parent doesn't come
into the next session,
502
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,292
and instead of it
being a two-minute procedure,
503
00:23:31,375 --> 00:23:33,751
it ends up being
a 45-minute procedure.
504
00:23:34,918 --> 00:23:36,751
The young girl thinks it's okay
505
00:23:36,834 --> 00:23:39,292
'cause Mom and Dad
were sitting in the room before.
506
00:23:39,375 --> 00:23:44,459
I noticed that what he was doing
was getting more aggressive
507
00:23:44,542 --> 00:23:47,375
as I got older,
and when I could drive myself,
508
00:23:47,459 --> 00:23:50,709
then no parent was in the room,
so then it really amped up.
509
00:23:50,792 --> 00:23:53,083
He would bring us to his house,
to the basement.
510
00:23:54,542 --> 00:23:56,500
WILLIAMS:
When I heard two months ago
511
00:23:56,584 --> 00:24:00,250
that Taylor was treated
in his basement,
512
00:24:01,083 --> 00:24:02,751
I almost fell over.
513
00:24:04,375 --> 00:24:08,292
Who goes
to their doctor's basement?
514
00:24:08,375 --> 00:24:12,459
He offered free "treatments"
to women all the time
515
00:24:12,542 --> 00:24:14,792
in his basement,
which I knew about.
516
00:24:14,876 --> 00:24:16,918
So that's why I felt okay going
'cause I,
517
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,751
once again, minimized it.
"Everyone else goes there too."
518
00:24:19,834 --> 00:24:21,667
You know,
he would get erections.
519
00:24:21,751 --> 00:24:24,500
You know, it's just, something's
not right there. (CHUCKLES)
520
00:24:24,584 --> 00:24:29,876
He would take his belt off.
He would make grunting noises.
521
00:24:29,959 --> 00:24:33,250
And if we look at it as,
as adults, we're like,
522
00:24:33,334 --> 00:24:34,751
"Oh my God, didn't you know?
523
00:24:34,834 --> 00:24:36,876
Of course,
this is for a sexual purpose."
524
00:24:36,959 --> 00:24:38,375
But you gotta put your mind--
525
00:24:38,459 --> 00:24:40,542
a young girl
who has no sexual experience,
526
00:24:40,626 --> 00:24:43,542
a young girl who's trusting,
a young girl who's told
527
00:24:43,626 --> 00:24:46,667
repeatedly over,
"This is the Olympic doctor.
528
00:24:46,751 --> 00:24:48,000
He's there to help."
529
00:24:48,083 --> 00:24:50,959
So, these girls,
they had no clue.
530
00:24:51,042 --> 00:24:53,500
And then I would feel better
after my appointments
531
00:24:53,584 --> 00:24:56,584
'cause like I said,
he was doing medical things.
532
00:24:56,667 --> 00:24:59,417
And no one else was helping me
get better, so I knew
533
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,834
I had to go back
because I needed
534
00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:03,542
to be relieved of my pain.
535
00:25:03,626 --> 00:25:05,876
So even if I hated
the treatment, I would go back.
536
00:25:05,959 --> 00:25:10,042
And that's how so many girls
were abused for so many years.
537
00:25:10,125 --> 00:25:13,083
INTERVIEWER: How often
was that vaginal treatment?
538
00:25:13,167 --> 00:25:15,167
GONCZAR: Probably every time.
539
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:17,751
I don't remember not having it.
540
00:25:17,834 --> 00:25:20,626
They estimate it happened
to me-- estimate--
541
00:25:20,709 --> 00:25:23,626
like, eight--
maybe 846 times.
542
00:25:25,542 --> 00:25:26,709
It's a lot.
543
00:25:26,792 --> 00:25:29,417
The reason Larry was
such a good doctor
544
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:32,500
was because you didn't feel
anything afterward,
545
00:25:32,584 --> 00:25:35,042
not just physically.
Emotionally, mentally.
546
00:25:35,125 --> 00:25:37,709
You had to block it out.
You had to,
547
00:25:37,792 --> 00:25:40,751
or...
you're going to fall apart.
548
00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:44,417
GREWAL:
These young women didn't know.
549
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:45,834
Their bodies might have known.
550
00:25:45,918 --> 00:25:47,500
Subconsciously,
they might have known.
551
00:25:47,584 --> 00:25:49,209
They thought this was
a legitimate medical treatment.
552
00:25:49,292 --> 00:25:52,500
They were told over and over
and over again,
553
00:25:52,584 --> 00:25:55,250
"You can trust Larry. Larry says
you can trust Larry.
554
00:25:55,334 --> 00:25:56,959
Kathie says you can trust Larry.
555
00:25:57,042 --> 00:25:58,876
John Geddert says
you can trust Larry."
556
00:25:58,959 --> 00:26:00,542
INTERVIEWER:
Who is John Geddert?
557
00:26:01,375 --> 00:26:02,709
Satan.
558
00:26:02,792 --> 00:26:06,500
He is, uh, the devil,
and he, uh,
559
00:26:06,584 --> 00:26:10,125
is the head coach
and owner of Twistars.
560
00:26:12,834 --> 00:26:14,209
JOHN GEDDERT: Open the hips.
561
00:26:14,292 --> 00:26:16,751
That's better, feet.
Now up, up, up, up.
562
00:26:16,834 --> 00:26:22,292
That's too much forward.
Straight. Squeeze it. Shape.
563
00:26:22,375 --> 00:26:24,584
Hold the shape.
Press the landing.
564
00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:28,959
Press the landing. Press.
No, stay there. Stay.
565
00:26:31,751 --> 00:26:35,751
WILLIAMS: John Geddert,
former 2012 Olympic team coach.
566
00:26:35,834 --> 00:26:39,792
When I came to Michigan,
very, very, very quickly,
567
00:26:39,876 --> 00:26:42,375
I realized
that John was the force,
568
00:26:42,459 --> 00:26:45,876
the name in, certainly,
Region 5 gymnastics.
569
00:26:45,959 --> 00:26:49,125
MOCEANU: John Geddert coached
Olympic champion Jordyn Wieber,
570
00:26:49,209 --> 00:26:51,584
and he had many other
national team members
571
00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:52,959
throughout the years.
572
00:26:53,042 --> 00:26:54,626
He housed Nassar
573
00:26:54,709 --> 00:26:58,250
at his facility in Michigan,
Twistars,
574
00:26:58,334 --> 00:27:01,334
where he had
unprecedented access
575
00:27:01,417 --> 00:27:02,959
to his gymnasts in the gym.
576
00:27:03,042 --> 00:27:04,542
INTERVIEWER:
Like at the Károlyi Ranch?
577
00:27:04,626 --> 00:27:07,042
Very similar environment.
Actually, probably even
578
00:27:07,125 --> 00:27:09,876
more access at Geddert's gym.
579
00:27:09,959 --> 00:27:12,125
At the Ranch,
it was only whenever
580
00:27:12,209 --> 00:27:15,250
he was able to come in
to the monthly camps.
581
00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:17,459
But at Geddert's gym,
he could go in every day
582
00:27:17,542 --> 00:27:18,709
if he wanted to.
583
00:27:18,792 --> 00:27:20,209
TAYLOR LIVINGSTON:
John especially,
584
00:27:20,292 --> 00:27:21,709
Twistars especially,
585
00:27:21,792 --> 00:27:24,167
sent you to Larry.
He came in every Monday,
586
00:27:24,250 --> 00:27:27,292
and he would stay
until everyone was seen.
587
00:27:27,375 --> 00:27:29,667
He was very well known
at the gym, obviously,
588
00:27:29,751 --> 00:27:31,959
because he was promoted
at the gym.
589
00:27:32,042 --> 00:27:35,751
He was pretty much
like our go-to doctor.
590
00:27:35,834 --> 00:27:38,500
HOMER: Larry knew how to
get them back in their sport.
591
00:27:38,584 --> 00:27:42,334
He knew how to pick them up
psychologically,
592
00:27:42,417 --> 00:27:45,083
because the last thing you want
to be if you are an athlete
593
00:27:45,167 --> 00:27:48,500
is injured, especially
in John Geddert's gym.
594
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,375
WILLIAMS: John Geddert,
595
00:27:52,459 --> 00:27:56,626
super intimidating man,
super intimidating.
596
00:27:56,709 --> 00:27:59,250
Um, walks it, owns it, talks it.
597
00:27:59,334 --> 00:28:01,500
How would I describe myself
as a coach?
598
00:28:01,584 --> 00:28:02,959
I know how others describe me,
599
00:28:03,042 --> 00:28:04,626
but I think they get
the wrong impression.
600
00:28:04,709 --> 00:28:08,250
Um. I'm pretty intense,
very caring about my athletes.
601
00:28:08,334 --> 00:28:11,209
Um, I'm not a warm and fuzzy...
602
00:28:11,292 --> 00:28:13,542
um, blow smoke
when it's not needed.
603
00:28:13,626 --> 00:28:16,167
I'll give kids their due
when they deserve it,
604
00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:18,792
but I'm not gonna
unnecessarily tell them
605
00:28:18,876 --> 00:28:21,334
how wonderful they are
if they're not being wonderful.
606
00:28:21,417 --> 00:28:26,876
He would use more of a tactic
like beating you down.
607
00:28:26,959 --> 00:28:29,459
So, he would belittle you.
He would insult you,
608
00:28:29,542 --> 00:28:30,792
call you names,
609
00:28:30,876 --> 00:28:33,542
and you would feel like
you weren't good enough.
610
00:28:33,626 --> 00:28:35,792
It was your fault.
You were doing things wrong.
611
00:28:35,876 --> 00:28:38,626
At gymnastics meets,
if a girl fell,
612
00:28:38,709 --> 00:28:40,959
I would see him turn his back
on her
613
00:28:41,042 --> 00:28:42,918
and he wouldn't watch her
compete,
614
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,042
or he would-- threw
a water bottle at somebody
615
00:28:46,125 --> 00:28:48,042
because they made a mistake
on the bars.
616
00:28:48,125 --> 00:28:50,709
And so, you would keep trying
harder and harder
617
00:28:50,792 --> 00:28:52,125
to get his approval.
618
00:28:52,209 --> 00:28:53,751
You always wanted
John's approval,
619
00:28:53,834 --> 00:28:56,709
and when he gave it to you,
it was something special.
620
00:28:58,250 --> 00:29:01,709
(CHEERING)
621
00:29:01,792 --> 00:29:03,417
Kinda, like,
the wrong way to do it,
622
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:08,292
but as long as John got results,
he continued his technique,
623
00:29:08,375 --> 00:29:11,459
just break
every single girl down
624
00:29:11,542 --> 00:29:14,626
until they thought
they were nothing.
625
00:29:16,459 --> 00:29:18,834
And then after practice,
you'd go and see Larry.
626
00:29:18,918 --> 00:29:21,000
He'd be there for you,
be that person
627
00:29:21,083 --> 00:29:23,584
that you know was going
to understand you, and...
628
00:29:23,667 --> 00:29:27,167
for me, he was kind of like
a friend that I could go to.
629
00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:30,000
Larry was good and John was bad.
(CHUCKLES)
630
00:29:30,083 --> 00:29:31,459
You knew that
they were good friends
631
00:29:31,542 --> 00:29:33,500
but I never-- it's weird
'cause like I don't--
632
00:29:33,584 --> 00:29:34,959
they're so different.
633
00:29:35,042 --> 00:29:36,834
Larry's super dorky,
634
00:29:36,918 --> 00:29:40,250
and John was super, like, ego.
635
00:29:40,334 --> 00:29:42,751
But it was almost like
the weird perfect fit.
636
00:29:42,834 --> 00:29:46,292
I think that if we were injured,
John sent us to Larry
637
00:29:46,375 --> 00:29:49,667
because he would give
the shortest amount of time
638
00:29:49,751 --> 00:29:54,334
that could be necessary
to come back from our injury.
639
00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:57,876
And there would be no mediator,
I guess, in the middle
640
00:29:57,959 --> 00:30:01,709
to be like, "Well maybe she
needs this extra few weeks."
641
00:30:01,792 --> 00:30:03,167
If Larry thought you were okay,
642
00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:06,542
then you must not be hurting
anymore. You're okay.
643
00:30:06,626 --> 00:30:08,042
INTERVIEWER:
That sounds dangerous.
644
00:30:08,125 --> 00:30:09,959
Yeah. Um. I would say so.
645
00:30:11,751 --> 00:30:13,751
HUTCHINS: I started having
some shin pain in my leg,
646
00:30:13,834 --> 00:30:16,584
and it started getting worse
a couple weeks later.
647
00:30:16,667 --> 00:30:18,876
And so then, I finally said
something to John,
648
00:30:18,959 --> 00:30:20,667
and he said,
"Well, go see Larry."
649
00:30:20,751 --> 00:30:24,167
So, I saw Larry. He poked
and prodded at it, and he says,
650
00:30:24,250 --> 00:30:26,334
"I don't think anything's
seriously wrong with it."
651
00:30:26,417 --> 00:30:28,000
Like, "I'll tape it up
a little bit,
652
00:30:28,083 --> 00:30:30,167
but you're okay
to continue practicing."
653
00:30:30,250 --> 00:30:32,626
I kept practicing
for weeks later.
654
00:30:32,709 --> 00:30:36,459
The pain got worse.
It felt like I was stabbing it
655
00:30:36,542 --> 00:30:39,459
every time I tumbled.
And it got to the point
656
00:30:39,542 --> 00:30:43,083
where I was seeing Larry
every day at practice,
657
00:30:43,167 --> 00:30:45,250
and then after practice,
I would go to his house
658
00:30:45,334 --> 00:30:48,000
and be in his basement
at his house.
659
00:30:48,083 --> 00:30:50,209
INTERVIEWER: How often
did he do the "treatment"?
660
00:30:50,292 --> 00:30:51,500
Every time.
661
00:30:51,584 --> 00:30:53,626
And I felt violated,
but he's a doctor.
662
00:30:53,709 --> 00:30:55,459
It's got to be for some reason.
663
00:30:55,542 --> 00:30:57,792
Um. So, I just
never said anything,
664
00:30:57,876 --> 00:31:00,042
and I just kind of accepted it.
665
00:31:00,125 --> 00:31:02,500
You would think that if your
leg wasn't getting better,
666
00:31:02,584 --> 00:31:06,250
you might want to get X-rays
on it, but that didn't happen.
667
00:31:06,334 --> 00:31:08,417
Doing all the gymnastics stuff
on it,
668
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:10,542
it was, um, excruciating,
669
00:31:10,626 --> 00:31:12,792
but a prestigious
Olympic doctor
670
00:31:12,876 --> 00:31:14,209
is telling you nothing's wrong,
671
00:31:14,292 --> 00:31:16,125
so you kind of think
you're crazy.
672
00:31:16,209 --> 00:31:21,042
I mean, it makes you wonder
what really is pain.
673
00:31:21,125 --> 00:31:23,500
And the practice before we left
for nationals,
674
00:31:23,584 --> 00:31:26,375
I was struggling so hard.
And so finally, I was like,
675
00:31:26,459 --> 00:31:27,959
"John, like, I'm trying
my hardest
676
00:31:28,042 --> 00:31:30,375
but my leg hurts so bad,
I can't make this."
677
00:31:30,459 --> 00:31:36,709
And he told me to get my stuff
out of the fucking locker room
678
00:31:36,792 --> 00:31:41,876
and get out of the fucking gym.
He means forever.
679
00:31:41,959 --> 00:31:46,375
So, I go to the ER,
I get X-rays, and it's broken.
680
00:31:46,459 --> 00:31:48,000
Like, splintered.
681
00:31:48,083 --> 00:31:52,417
It looks like a nail
was hammering down on my leg
682
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,250
and it just kept
splintering off pieces
683
00:31:55,334 --> 00:31:58,125
because I just kept tumbling
on it.
684
00:31:58,209 --> 00:32:01,292
INTERVIEWER:
Do you think that you were
purposely mistreated by Nassar
685
00:32:01,375 --> 00:32:04,334
in order to keep you
in his care?
686
00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:07,709
HUTCHINS: I think
it's definitely a possibility.
687
00:32:07,792 --> 00:32:11,500
Why else would I have competed
on a broken leg for a month?
688
00:32:11,584 --> 00:32:14,250
Why else wouldn't X-rays
have been in the question
689
00:32:14,334 --> 00:32:16,918
if it continued to get worse
and not better?
690
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,918
INTERVIEWER: Do you think
that John Geddert knew
691
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,751
about Nassar's
so called "treatments"...
692
00:32:21,834 --> 00:32:23,459
and that
they were not appropriate?
693
00:32:23,542 --> 00:32:27,250
Um... it's hard to say,
694
00:32:27,334 --> 00:32:31,792
but I don't know how anyone
couldn't have known,
695
00:32:31,876 --> 00:32:33,626
um, with be--
696
00:32:33,709 --> 00:32:36,542
it being in a room right there
in your own gym. You know?
697
00:32:36,626 --> 00:32:39,334
There's no way he didn't know
something about Larry.
698
00:32:39,417 --> 00:32:42,959
And even if he thought
it was really a treatment
699
00:32:43,042 --> 00:32:45,542
because this guy was supposed
to be his best friend
700
00:32:45,626 --> 00:32:50,834
and was supposed to be a doctor,
it's such a bizarre thing
701
00:32:50,918 --> 00:32:53,876
that you would hope that
he would at least look into it.
702
00:32:53,959 --> 00:32:55,375
And there's no way
he didn't hear.
703
00:32:55,459 --> 00:32:58,876
We talked about it openly
in the gym.
704
00:32:58,959 --> 00:33:02,250
GAMET: There's a whole
institution of people who knew
705
00:33:02,334 --> 00:33:05,918
through these years, and it--
it could have been stopped.
706
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,626
INTERVIEWER:
How do you think the abuse could
have stopped earlier?
707
00:33:09,709 --> 00:33:13,459
Could have stopped
when Kathie was told.
708
00:33:16,083 --> 00:33:19,334
GAMET: Kathie Klages,
another friend of John Geddert
709
00:33:19,417 --> 00:33:24,876
and Larry Nassar.
She was told in-- in '97.
710
00:33:27,834 --> 00:33:31,000
LARISSA BOYCE: I went to
Spartan Youth Gymnastics Club,
711
00:33:31,083 --> 00:33:34,918
and one of the head coaches
was Kathie Klages,
712
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,459
MSU's head gymnastics coach.
713
00:33:38,876 --> 00:33:40,500
I had been thinking about...
714
00:33:40,584 --> 00:33:44,209
talking to an adult
about these "treatments"
715
00:33:44,292 --> 00:33:46,375
'cause it did make me
uncomfortable.
716
00:33:46,459 --> 00:33:50,542
So, Kathie Klages had me come
into her office,
717
00:33:50,626 --> 00:33:52,918
and I did specifically tell her
718
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,667
that Larry was putting
his fingers inside of me.
719
00:33:57,751 --> 00:34:01,709
And she just said
I must be misunderstanding.
720
00:34:01,792 --> 00:34:04,626
He would never do anything
inappropriate.
721
00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:07,751
She said she had known him
for years and years
722
00:34:07,834 --> 00:34:10,334
and I just must be mistaken.
723
00:34:10,417 --> 00:34:15,792
Kathie did not believe her.
So she marched other gymnasts in
724
00:34:15,876 --> 00:34:19,209
to try to dissuade Larissa
that this wasn't happening.
725
00:34:19,292 --> 00:34:22,792
She had teammates come in,
a couple at a time,
726
00:34:22,876 --> 00:34:25,667
while I was sitting there
in her office, in front of me,
727
00:34:25,751 --> 00:34:29,167
and she asked them if Larry had
ever done anything
728
00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:32,167
to make them feel uncomfortable
during treatments.
729
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:36,417
And all of them said no,
except one other girl.
730
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:39,083
So, this other girl stayed
in the room,
731
00:34:39,167 --> 00:34:43,667
and Kathie still just couldn't
wrap her head
732
00:34:43,751 --> 00:34:45,292
around what we were saying.
733
00:34:45,375 --> 00:34:49,042
So, she brought in a couple
college-aged gymnasts,
734
00:34:49,125 --> 00:34:52,167
and they would explain,
"You know, his hands get close
735
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:55,834
to certain areas, but they
never are inappropriate."
736
00:34:55,918 --> 00:34:58,209
And I again, I said,
737
00:34:58,292 --> 00:35:01,292
"Well, that's not
what's happening to me.
738
00:35:01,375 --> 00:35:03,083
His fingers are going inside."
739
00:35:03,167 --> 00:35:05,083
Then at that point,
they left the room.
740
00:35:05,167 --> 00:35:06,626
The other girl left the room.
741
00:35:06,709 --> 00:35:08,918
GREWAL: Coach Klages told
the other gymnast,
742
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,792
"You're misinterpreting this.
I don't want to hear it,"
743
00:35:11,876 --> 00:35:14,751
and basically, shut her up.
744
00:35:14,834 --> 00:35:16,542
But Larissa still stood
her ground.
745
00:35:16,626 --> 00:35:20,626
I again said what was happening,
and she said,
746
00:35:20,709 --> 00:35:23,125
"Well, I could file this
747
00:35:23,209 --> 00:35:25,792
but there's going to be
very serious consequences
748
00:35:25,876 --> 00:35:28,542
for both you and Larry Nassar,
749
00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:30,876
and you need to really think
about this."
750
00:35:30,959 --> 00:35:35,125
And I just, I think I raised
my hands and said,
751
00:35:35,209 --> 00:35:36,834
"I don't want to get anybody
in trouble.
752
00:35:36,918 --> 00:35:40,751
That's not my intention."
And so, I went back out
753
00:35:40,834 --> 00:35:42,584
and I think I ran
into the bathroom
754
00:35:42,667 --> 00:35:46,250
and just cried
for the majority of practice.
755
00:35:46,334 --> 00:35:49,918
GREWAL: She intimidated her,
and it shut her down.
756
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,792
Coach Klages
then didn't tell her parents,
757
00:35:52,876 --> 00:35:55,000
but she did tell one person.
758
00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:56,918
She told Larry Nassar.
759
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,417
BOYCE: So, my next appointment
with Larry, he walked in,
760
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:02,918
he closed the door,
he sat on his little stool,
761
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,709
and he said,
"So, I talked to Kathie."
762
00:36:05,792 --> 00:36:08,876
And at that point my heart
just sank.
763
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,167
I felt so embarrassed.
I felt so humiliated.
764
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:15,375
He said, "Kathie told me
your concerns,
765
00:36:15,459 --> 00:36:18,250
and you know I'm doing this
to help you."
766
00:36:18,334 --> 00:36:20,792
And I remember saying,
"I'm so sorry.
767
00:36:20,876 --> 00:36:24,292
This is all my fault.
It's all a big misunderstanding
768
00:36:24,375 --> 00:36:26,751
and I'm sorry."
769
00:36:26,834 --> 00:36:30,876
So, I just convinced myself
that I must be the problem
770
00:36:30,959 --> 00:36:33,292
and I just better suck it up.
771
00:36:33,375 --> 00:36:36,167
And then I hopped back up
on that table,
772
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:40,792
and he continued to abuse me
for the next four years.
773
00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:46,751
HAMILTON: Adults prefer
and protect adults.
774
00:36:46,834 --> 00:36:48,709
We say we protect children,
775
00:36:48,792 --> 00:36:50,876
but children
are second-class citizens.
776
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,834
They don't vote,
they don't have power,
777
00:36:52,918 --> 00:36:57,292
and it's so much easier
to let a child's needs go.
778
00:36:57,375 --> 00:37:00,042
It's really denial,
but it's also...
779
00:37:00,125 --> 00:37:03,626
they're protecting
the adult's livelihood.
780
00:37:03,709 --> 00:37:07,334
No one wants to destroy
a successful adult's life.
781
00:37:07,417 --> 00:37:09,375
And so, we put it off
and we put it off.
782
00:37:09,459 --> 00:37:15,626
Larissa Boyce um, told people
who worked for MSU in 1997.
783
00:37:16,375 --> 00:37:21,167
Uh. I was three in 1997.
784
00:37:21,250 --> 00:37:24,375
You know, that's impactful.
It could have been stopped.
785
00:37:24,459 --> 00:37:27,584
BOYCE: Kathie Klages knew that
there was a proper process
786
00:37:27,667 --> 00:37:30,042
that she should have taken
when she told me
787
00:37:30,125 --> 00:37:34,626
that she could file something,
but she chose not to.
788
00:37:34,709 --> 00:37:39,792
And so, I absolutely believe
that's on MSU.
789
00:37:39,876 --> 00:37:41,125
She was their employee.
790
00:37:41,209 --> 00:37:43,542
And then all of the other girls
who came forward
791
00:37:43,626 --> 00:37:47,167
and told trainers
or psychiatrists,
792
00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:51,334
all of them were at MSU,
MSU employees.
793
00:37:51,417 --> 00:37:54,667
GREWAL: They did not want
to believe a single girl.
794
00:37:54,751 --> 00:37:57,584
From 1997 to 2015,
795
00:37:57,667 --> 00:38:01,125
there were 17 incidents
of reporting,
796
00:38:01,209 --> 00:38:02,792
just to Michigan State alone.
797
00:38:02,876 --> 00:38:05,375
O'BRIEN:
In 2014, Amanda Thomashow,
798
00:38:05,459 --> 00:38:08,209
who had attended
Michigan State University,
799
00:38:08,292 --> 00:38:10,959
filed a Title IX complaint
against Larry Nassar,
800
00:38:11,042 --> 00:38:14,792
alleging that he had molested
her during a treatment session.
801
00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:17,500
AMANDA THOMASHOW: I told them
exactly what happened,
802
00:38:17,584 --> 00:38:23,792
that Nassar started to insert
his fingers into me
803
00:38:23,876 --> 00:38:27,667
and I pu-- stood up,
I pushed him off of me,
804
00:38:27,751 --> 00:38:30,667
and he ran to the corner
of the room
805
00:38:31,792 --> 00:38:33,209
to hide his erection.
806
00:38:35,834 --> 00:38:37,417
GREWAL:
Michigan State University
807
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:40,125
investigated
through their OIE office,
808
00:38:40,209 --> 00:38:42,083
Office of
Institutional Equities,
809
00:38:42,167 --> 00:38:45,375
and they're supposed
to be impartial.
810
00:38:45,459 --> 00:38:48,751
In that investigation,
they allowed Larry Nassar
811
00:38:48,834 --> 00:38:51,334
to pick four, quote,
812
00:38:51,417 --> 00:38:54,584
"independent
corroborating experts"
813
00:38:54,667 --> 00:38:57,292
of his so-called "treatment."
814
00:38:57,375 --> 00:39:01,459
Larry said that it was medical.
815
00:39:01,542 --> 00:39:04,083
I said that
it was sexual assault.
816
00:39:04,167 --> 00:39:08,000
And so, they asked some
of his friends
817
00:39:08,083 --> 00:39:09,876
what they thought.
818
00:39:09,959 --> 00:39:13,125
GREWAL: Three of the four were
his students or colleagues.
819
00:39:13,209 --> 00:39:16,417
One was a trainer.
He knew all of them.
820
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,542
He hand-picked all of them
with the knowledge
821
00:39:18,626 --> 00:39:20,876
of his supervisor,
Dean Strampel.
822
00:39:20,959 --> 00:39:23,792
And what the report
finally said was that
823
00:39:23,876 --> 00:39:27,626
the young lady
misunderstood the nuances,
824
00:39:27,709 --> 00:39:29,292
and as a result,
825
00:39:29,375 --> 00:39:31,626
they found no violation.
826
00:39:31,709 --> 00:39:36,209
THOMASHOW: They left
the erection out of the report.
827
00:39:36,292 --> 00:39:41,292
They also left out the fact
that I pushed him off of me.
828
00:39:41,375 --> 00:39:46,751
I was 24. I knew what was
and was not appropriate.
829
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,334
They gaslighted me.
830
00:39:53,876 --> 00:39:56,876
So,
this is the surprising thing.
831
00:39:56,959 --> 00:39:58,626
Two reports were generated.
832
00:39:58,709 --> 00:40:02,375
There was a report generated,
issued to Amanda Thomashow,
833
00:40:02,459 --> 00:40:04,417
and in that report, they say
834
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:07,584
they find no violation of
the Sexual Harassment Policies.
835
00:40:07,667 --> 00:40:09,417
The report ends on page 22.
836
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:11,542
Lo and behold,
here we are in civil litigation.
837
00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:13,209
You know what we find?
838
00:40:13,292 --> 00:40:15,792
(WHISPERS)
There's a page 23.
839
00:40:15,876 --> 00:40:19,834
Page 23 goes into
all the problems
840
00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:21,584
that potentially are there.
841
00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:24,209
It is opening the university up
to a liability,
842
00:40:24,292 --> 00:40:26,167
that they had better
have a chaperone in place,
843
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:29,334
he'd better wear gloves, he'd
better have informed consent.
844
00:40:29,417 --> 00:40:31,459
And they never turned
that report out for anybody.
845
00:40:31,542 --> 00:40:35,042
That report's internally kept
between Larry,
846
00:40:35,125 --> 00:40:37,834
Strampel, and the OIE office.
847
00:40:37,918 --> 00:40:40,542
The three years surrounding
my investigation,
848
00:40:40,626 --> 00:40:43,542
my Title IX
was the only Title IX
849
00:40:43,626 --> 00:40:47,209
that produced
two separate conclusions.
850
00:40:47,292 --> 00:40:50,042
GREWAL: So, Larry Nassar
was put on leave 90 days.
851
00:40:50,125 --> 00:40:52,626
That's how long
the OIE investigation was.
852
00:40:52,709 --> 00:40:55,167
But in the end, Dean Strampel
put it in an email,
853
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:56,751
"glad to have you back."
854
00:40:56,834 --> 00:40:59,834
"Please, Larry, just follow
these restrictions."
855
00:40:59,918 --> 00:41:03,292
Dean Strampel put restrictions
on Larry Nassar.
856
00:41:03,375 --> 00:41:06,000
THOMASHOW: Simple rules
like explain the procedure,
857
00:41:06,083 --> 00:41:10,042
wear gloves, have somebody else
present in the room.
858
00:41:10,125 --> 00:41:13,709
GREWAL: But Dean Strampel,
he never followed up.
859
00:41:13,792 --> 00:41:15,709
We've spoken
to the support personnel
860
00:41:15,792 --> 00:41:19,751
at the clinical center,
who were there after 2014,
861
00:41:19,834 --> 00:41:21,292
who were never informed
of these procedures
862
00:41:21,375 --> 00:41:23,500
that Dean Strampel was supposed
to inform everybody.
863
00:41:23,584 --> 00:41:26,209
And at the same time, we have a
criminal investigation going on
864
00:41:26,292 --> 00:41:28,083
by the Ingham County
prosecutor's office.
865
00:41:28,167 --> 00:41:30,167
NASSAR:
The patient was concerned
866
00:41:30,250 --> 00:41:31,792
that I was inappropriately
touching her
867
00:41:31,876 --> 00:41:34,292
-and didn't understand why.
-OFFICER: Okay.
868
00:41:34,375 --> 00:41:37,083
Like, you know, "He was,
you know, touching me
869
00:41:37,167 --> 00:41:40,459
in my private areas," you know,
and she didn't understand why.
870
00:41:40,542 --> 00:41:42,167
And that's--
those are two things
871
00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:46,417
that confused me because I-- I--
I do this on a regular basis.
872
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:48,209
-OFFICER: Okay.
-This is, this a treatment
873
00:41:48,292 --> 00:41:49,959
that I-- that I lecture on.
874
00:41:50,042 --> 00:41:53,584
I lecture on, not only here
at Michigan State
875
00:41:53,667 --> 00:41:56,250
to the fellows and residents
and medical students,
876
00:41:56,334 --> 00:42:00,000
but to, um, uh,
national organizations.
877
00:42:00,083 --> 00:42:03,584
GREWAL: Shouldn't
a prosecuting attorney office
878
00:42:03,667 --> 00:42:06,876
bring in outside experts?
879
00:42:06,959 --> 00:42:08,918
You know whose experts
they used?
880
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,792
Michigan State University's,
881
00:42:10,876 --> 00:42:13,042
experts that Larry Nassar
hand-picked.
882
00:42:13,125 --> 00:42:17,042
They believed the status
of Larry Nassar.
883
00:42:17,125 --> 00:42:20,417
And once again, they also found
there was no sexual assault.
884
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:22,918
And they sent one
of the detectives over there
885
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000
to tell Larry,
"Make sure, in the future,
886
00:42:25,083 --> 00:42:27,667
you have somebody in the room,
and you wear gloves,
887
00:42:27,751 --> 00:42:29,459
and you explain
what's going on."
888
00:42:30,292 --> 00:42:32,000
So, 2014,
889
00:42:32,083 --> 00:42:34,751
you have all these restrictions
were put in place.
890
00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:36,375
The assaults
should have stopped.
891
00:42:37,542 --> 00:42:38,876
They didn't.
892
00:42:38,959 --> 00:42:41,792
I was a patient of his
before, during, and after
893
00:42:41,876 --> 00:42:43,918
that Title IX investigation,
894
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,667
where protocol was put
into place,
895
00:42:45,751 --> 00:42:48,959
that I wasn't made aware of,
and then not followed.
896
00:42:50,083 --> 00:42:51,417
Nothing changed.
897
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:54,250
You know, ex-- what happened
during the visits
898
00:42:54,334 --> 00:42:57,667
was exactly the same
from when she started seeing him
899
00:42:57,751 --> 00:43:01,083
in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015.
900
00:43:01,167 --> 00:43:02,792
INTERVIEWER:
When did the incidents happen
901
00:43:02,876 --> 00:43:06,959
-with Larry Nassar?
-Um, in 2014.
902
00:43:07,042 --> 00:43:08,918
They didn't have him
follow the guidelines,
903
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,334
and they didn't really put
a stop to it
904
00:43:12,417 --> 00:43:16,667
until so many people
came forward.
905
00:43:16,751 --> 00:43:19,209
GREWAL: Out of 90 of our
survivors that we represent,
906
00:43:19,292 --> 00:43:25,375
28 of them were assaulted
during or after 2014,
907
00:43:25,459 --> 00:43:28,000
Title IX investigation
of Amanda Thomashow.
908
00:43:28,083 --> 00:43:31,292
But this is not just
Michigan State University.
909
00:43:31,375 --> 00:43:34,876
It goes to organization
that span this country,
910
00:43:34,959 --> 00:43:37,542
USOC, USAG.
911
00:43:37,626 --> 00:43:39,500
INTERVIEWER:
Do we know when USAG
912
00:43:39,584 --> 00:43:41,876
knew about
Larry Nassar's predilections?
913
00:43:44,125 --> 00:43:46,167
Well, we know for a fact
it was 2015.
914
00:43:48,751 --> 00:43:50,876
O'BRIEN: Spring 2015,
915
00:43:50,959 --> 00:43:54,792
Maggie Nichols, gymnast
on the U.S. National Team
916
00:43:54,876 --> 00:43:59,417
was at the Károlyi Ranch for one
of the monthly training camps.
917
00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:01,959
And she was with Aly Raisman.
918
00:44:02,042 --> 00:44:04,167
And Maggie said out loud,
919
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:06,834
"What's with this technique
he does?
920
00:44:06,918 --> 00:44:09,292
Like why does he put his finger
inside me?
921
00:44:09,375 --> 00:44:10,834
I'm not sure it's helping."
922
00:44:10,918 --> 00:44:14,292
And Maggie Nichols's coach
happened to be within earshot
923
00:44:14,375 --> 00:44:16,209
and was alarmed by this.
924
00:44:16,292 --> 00:44:19,542
There was a report made
to USA Gymnastics.
925
00:44:19,626 --> 00:44:21,500
Steve Penny sat on it
for a few weeks.
926
00:44:21,584 --> 00:44:24,542
MOCEANU: USA Gymnastics
former president, Steve Penny,
927
00:44:24,626 --> 00:44:28,042
was notified
that a gymnast was assaulted
928
00:44:28,125 --> 00:44:29,500
at the national team camp.
929
00:44:29,584 --> 00:44:32,459
Why on Earth
did they not report him then?
930
00:44:32,542 --> 00:44:35,918
O'BRIEN: Maggie Nichols's
mother was told by Steve Penny,
931
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,000
"Don't do anything.
Don't report it.
932
00:44:38,083 --> 00:44:39,542
We're going to handle this
internally.
933
00:44:39,626 --> 00:44:41,334
We don't know yet
if we need to report this."
934
00:44:41,417 --> 00:44:45,876
They waited for five weeks
before they went to the FBI.
935
00:44:45,959 --> 00:44:47,918
Five weeks.
936
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,918
When you have gymnasts
telling you that Larry's doing
937
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,542
these manipulations every day,
sometimes twice a day,
938
00:44:54,626 --> 00:44:57,584
five weeks is a long time
to be sitting on the knowledge
939
00:44:57,667 --> 00:45:00,375
that Larry Nassar is--
is a sexual predator.
940
00:45:00,459 --> 00:45:02,792
O'BEIRNE: They waited five week
because they did their own
941
00:45:02,876 --> 00:45:05,167
internal investigation
as to whether or not
942
00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:07,709
this was sexual abuse or not.
943
00:45:07,792 --> 00:45:09,709
O'BRIEN:
After an internal investigator
944
00:45:09,792 --> 00:45:12,167
told Steve Penny, "You really
have a problem here.
945
00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:13,792
You have to go to the FBI,"
946
00:45:13,876 --> 00:45:16,792
Steve Penny
called Scott Blackmun,
947
00:45:16,876 --> 00:45:19,792
the chief executive
of the US Olympic Committee.
948
00:45:19,876 --> 00:45:22,417
The Olympic Committee legally is
responsible for the safety
949
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:24,334
of the athletes at the Olympics.
950
00:45:24,417 --> 00:45:27,292
And Steve Penny said
to Scott Blackman
951
00:45:27,375 --> 00:45:28,667
something to the effect of,
952
00:45:28,751 --> 00:45:30,292
"We have a member
of our medical staff
953
00:45:30,375 --> 00:45:33,250
who's been accused
of improper contact.
954
00:45:33,334 --> 00:45:36,250
I'm going to report it
to the FBI."
955
00:45:36,334 --> 00:45:40,083
Scott Blackmun has said to us
that he told Steve Penny,
956
00:45:40,167 --> 00:45:41,584
"Definitely report this,"
957
00:45:41,667 --> 00:45:43,876
-and Steve Penny did.
-INTERVIEWER: Is that enough?
958
00:45:43,959 --> 00:45:46,083
I mean, that's a--
that's a question.
959
00:45:46,167 --> 00:45:48,459
Of course, we want to say "no"
because of what happened
960
00:45:48,542 --> 00:45:50,792
in the subsequent year.
N-- he-- nothing happened.
961
00:45:50,876 --> 00:45:55,834
The USOC had tremendous
responsibility as the top
962
00:45:55,918 --> 00:45:59,500
of all of Olympic sports
in the United States.
963
00:45:59,584 --> 00:46:01,375
And the USOC has had
964
00:46:01,459 --> 00:46:04,876
inadequate child protection
policies for years.
965
00:46:04,959 --> 00:46:08,083
There's been a problem
in gymnastics with sexual abuse
966
00:46:08,167 --> 00:46:11,167
and with physical abuse
for decades.
967
00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:12,709
O'BRIEN: In 1999,
968
00:46:12,792 --> 00:46:15,834
the then-president of
USA Gymnastics, Bob Colarossi,
969
00:46:15,918 --> 00:46:17,918
wrote a letter to the USOC
970
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,334
raising concerns
about their method
971
00:46:20,417 --> 00:46:23,459
of handling allegations
of abuses by coaches,
972
00:46:23,542 --> 00:46:25,417
saying, the way
the system works
973
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:27,751
is going to get us in trouble.
974
00:46:27,834 --> 00:46:30,626
Scott Blackmun
was on that letter.
975
00:46:30,709 --> 00:46:32,083
HAMILTON: They knew it.
976
00:46:32,167 --> 00:46:33,959
They knew they needed
a better system,
977
00:46:34,042 --> 00:46:36,876
and they sat on their hands.
978
00:46:36,959 --> 00:46:39,250
GREWAL: Nassar, he actually
was allowed to resign
979
00:46:39,334 --> 00:46:42,209
from USA Gymnastics and said
he's taking his leave of absence
980
00:46:42,292 --> 00:46:45,542
and thanked them
and left on his own terms.
981
00:46:45,626 --> 00:46:48,083
O'BRIEN:
But Nassar is back in Michigan,
982
00:46:48,167 --> 00:46:49,500
still treating patients.
983
00:46:49,584 --> 00:46:51,459
He continued to do that
for more than a year
984
00:46:51,542 --> 00:46:52,959
after that in Michigan.
985
00:46:53,042 --> 00:46:56,209
Wouldn't USA Gymnastics
tell Michigan State University
986
00:46:56,292 --> 00:46:58,375
there's an investigation on?
They didn't tell them.
987
00:46:58,459 --> 00:46:59,918
You know, there are
many missed opportunities
988
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,792
for people to be informed
about this.
989
00:47:01,876 --> 00:47:06,209
And what nobody knew
at USA Gymnastics
990
00:47:06,292 --> 00:47:09,417
was that the FBI never inve--
even opened an investigation.
991
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:12,167
I mean, it went to the FBI
in Indianapolis.
992
00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:15,209
The FBI in Indianapolis said,
"We're gonna kick this over
993
00:47:15,292 --> 00:47:18,709
to the Detroit office,"
and then it died there.
994
00:47:18,792 --> 00:47:21,167
The FBI in Indianapolis
doesn't seem to have taken
995
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:23,417
their allegations
very seriously.
996
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:27,375
We also don't know exactly
what Steve Penny told them.
997
00:47:27,459 --> 00:47:32,500
GREWAL: MSU, USAG, USOC,
Twistars, and the FBI,
998
00:47:32,584 --> 00:47:35,417
all these organizations,
they knew.
999
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:37,751
Every organization had a chance
to stop.
1000
00:47:37,834 --> 00:47:41,083
O'BEIRNE: All that time, Nassar
was still working at MSU.
1001
00:47:41,167 --> 00:47:43,000
He was still working for Holt,
1002
00:47:43,083 --> 00:47:45,542
the school district
that he was working for.
1003
00:47:45,626 --> 00:47:49,667
He was treating people nonstop
1004
00:47:49,751 --> 00:47:52,834
until Rachael Denhollander
came forward.
1005
00:47:54,459 --> 00:47:55,918
-NASSAR: Sorry.
-ANDREA MUNFORD:
1006
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,584
NASSAR:
1007
00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:00,167
-MUNFORD:
-NASSAR: Yeah.
1008
00:48:00,250 --> 00:48:01,542
MUNFORD:
1009
00:48:06,667 --> 00:48:08,000
-NASSAR:
-MUNFORD:
1010
00:48:08,083 --> 00:48:09,751
NASSAR:
1011
00:48:11,709 --> 00:48:13,626
MUNFORD:
1012
00:48:15,709 --> 00:48:16,709
NASSAR:
1013
00:48:16,792 --> 00:48:17,834
MUNFORD: Okay.
1014
00:48:23,292 --> 00:48:24,375
MUNFORD: Mm-hmm.
1015
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:29,209
MUNFORD:
1016
00:48:29,709 --> 00:48:31,709
NASSAR:
1017
00:48:34,834 --> 00:48:36,000
(CHUCKLES)
1018
00:48:38,292 --> 00:48:39,542
-MUNFORD: Okay.
-NASSAR:
1019
00:48:42,626 --> 00:48:43,709
MUNFORD: Right.
1020
00:48:46,584 --> 00:48:47,918
-NASSAR:
-MUNFORD:
1021
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:51,626
NASSAR:
1022
00:48:51,709 --> 00:48:54,209
I was a patient
of Dr. Nassar in 2000,
1023
00:48:54,292 --> 00:48:57,792
and at age 15, was repeatedly
sexually assaulted by him
1024
00:48:57,876 --> 00:48:59,459
under the guise
of medical treatment
1025
00:48:59,542 --> 00:49:00,959
and medical examination.
1026
00:49:01,042 --> 00:49:04,125
Rachael Denhollander was not
an Olympian, but, um,
1027
00:49:04,209 --> 00:49:08,918
an advanced level gymnast,
who in the summer of 2016
1028
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,751
became the first person
1029
00:49:10,834 --> 00:49:14,500
to openly name Larry Nassar
as an abuser.
1030
00:49:14,584 --> 00:49:18,500
She was inspired to do this
by a series that ran
1031
00:49:18,584 --> 00:49:20,125
in The Indianapolis Star.
1032
00:49:20,209 --> 00:49:22,584
There's a troubling report
in USA Today network
1033
00:49:22,667 --> 00:49:24,459
and The Indianapolis Star.
1034
00:49:24,542 --> 00:49:27,083
The governing body
for American gymnastics
1035
00:49:27,167 --> 00:49:29,792
is accused of routinely
protecting coaches
1036
00:49:29,876 --> 00:49:32,876
who are accused of sexually
abusing young athletes.
1037
00:49:32,959 --> 00:49:35,000
O'BRIEN: Rachael Denhollander
read this article,
1038
00:49:35,083 --> 00:49:37,125
and she had been,
over the years,
1039
00:49:37,209 --> 00:49:39,834
coming to terms
with this "treatment"
1040
00:49:39,918 --> 00:49:42,083
that she had been subjected to
1041
00:49:42,167 --> 00:49:45,000
by Larry Nassar
more than a decade earlier,
1042
00:49:45,083 --> 00:49:47,834
and she reached out
to a reporter.
1043
00:49:47,918 --> 00:49:49,292
REPORTER 3:
Rachael Denhollander
1044
00:49:49,375 --> 00:49:51,334
told The Indianapolis Star
newspaper
1045
00:49:51,417 --> 00:49:53,542
that Nassar
sexually assaulted her
1046
00:49:53,626 --> 00:49:55,250
when she was 15 years old,
1047
00:49:55,334 --> 00:49:58,500
taking part
in club gymnastics in Michigan.
1048
00:49:58,584 --> 00:50:02,334
O'BRIEN: Ultimately,
one other former Olympian spoke
1049
00:50:02,417 --> 00:50:04,375
anonymously
in the original article
1050
00:50:04,459 --> 00:50:07,083
and identified Larry
as an abuser.
1051
00:50:07,167 --> 00:50:11,000
When someone comes public
and puts it in a major newspaper
1052
00:50:11,083 --> 00:50:14,709
that this guy, who's employed
by your university,
1053
00:50:14,792 --> 00:50:16,626
um, sexually abused her,
1054
00:50:16,709 --> 00:50:18,918
and you have two people
talking about it,
1055
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,292
that carries a lot of weight.
1056
00:50:20,375 --> 00:50:22,250
Two gymnasts
have accused Dr. Larry Nassar
1057
00:50:22,334 --> 00:50:24,000
of sexually abusing them
during treatment.
1058
00:50:24,083 --> 00:50:26,209
REPORTER: One of women
has filed a criminal complaint
1059
00:50:26,292 --> 00:50:28,459
against Nassar
with Michigan Police.
1060
00:50:28,542 --> 00:50:31,876
The other has filed
a lawsuit in California.
1061
00:50:31,959 --> 00:50:36,083
I read the headline,
and I laughed in disbelief.
1062
00:50:36,167 --> 00:50:39,709
I was like, "There is no way."
Like, "He is a saint."
1063
00:50:39,792 --> 00:50:41,125
'Cause at that point,
1064
00:50:41,209 --> 00:50:42,542
even though I didn't like
the treatments,
1065
00:50:42,626 --> 00:50:44,083
I really thought that he had
1066
00:50:44,167 --> 00:50:46,042
been helping me
this whole time.
1067
00:50:46,125 --> 00:50:49,542
I actually defended him at first
'cause I knew that--
1068
00:50:49,626 --> 00:50:53,709
well, I was told that this was
a valid medical procedure
1069
00:50:53,792 --> 00:50:57,459
and I was brainwashed
and conditioned into b--
1070
00:50:57,542 --> 00:51:00,626
to believing that
for the past 20 years,
1071
00:51:00,709 --> 00:51:03,292
I think, in order
to just survive through it.
1072
00:51:03,375 --> 00:51:06,250
And so, I defended him.
1073
00:51:06,334 --> 00:51:08,751
HOMER: Trinea came home,
and we both just said,
1074
00:51:08,834 --> 00:51:11,751
"This cannot be."
She's like, "There's no way."
1075
00:51:11,834 --> 00:51:13,584
It's Larry. It's Larry.
1076
00:51:13,667 --> 00:51:15,959
If you know Larry, there's
no way it can be Larry."
1077
00:51:16,042 --> 00:51:18,042
And it actually made me mad.
I was like,
1078
00:51:18,125 --> 00:51:22,042
"How dare you accuse
such a kind person
1079
00:51:22,125 --> 00:51:25,876
of doing such
an extremely awful thing?
1080
00:51:25,959 --> 00:51:27,542
Um. And I didn't read
the article
1081
00:51:27,626 --> 00:51:29,417
'cause I was
in a dance rehearsal at college.
1082
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:32,209
But then when I was by myself
after that rehearsal,
1083
00:51:32,292 --> 00:51:34,792
I started reading
through the article,
1084
00:51:34,876 --> 00:51:37,834
and Rachael Denhollander
had it to a tee.
1085
00:51:37,918 --> 00:51:39,834
She described
my whole experience,
1086
00:51:39,918 --> 00:51:42,876
weird commentary, no gloves,
internal techniques,
1087
00:51:42,959 --> 00:51:46,876
followed by his response that
he never went internal, ever.
1088
00:51:46,959 --> 00:51:49,542
He would never do that.
And I was like,
1089
00:51:49,626 --> 00:51:54,042
"His story is very different
than my personal experience."
1090
00:51:55,375 --> 00:51:56,959
LIVINGSTON:
I was so embarrassed
1091
00:51:57,042 --> 00:51:58,459
when it first started
coming out.
1092
00:51:58,542 --> 00:52:00,209
I didn't want to say anything.
I was like,
1093
00:52:00,292 --> 00:52:04,751
"How did I let this happen?
How did I not know?"
1094
00:52:04,834 --> 00:52:07,167
The thing is, like,
my whole life, like,
1095
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:09,834
I've trained to be
smart as I can,
1096
00:52:09,918 --> 00:52:13,500
as strong as I can,
and as fearless as I can.
1097
00:52:13,584 --> 00:52:17,959
And like, in moments like that,
where those things happen,
1098
00:52:19,375 --> 00:52:20,667
I was none of those things.
1099
00:52:20,751 --> 00:52:23,542
And to me,
that was, like, soul-crushing.
1100
00:52:23,626 --> 00:52:25,042
Over that night, my--
1101
00:52:25,125 --> 00:52:26,792
the gears started shifting
in my head,
1102
00:52:26,876 --> 00:52:30,417
realizing all this time
for seven years of my life
1103
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:33,459
that I thought it was medical
and helping me--
1104
00:52:33,542 --> 00:52:35,834
and I literally walked around
praising his name,
1105
00:52:35,918 --> 00:52:37,834
referring people to him.
1106
00:52:37,918 --> 00:52:40,709
Now I've been referring people
to a monster.
1107
00:52:40,792 --> 00:52:43,500
GONCZAR: I started to have a
heavy guilt about other people
1108
00:52:43,584 --> 00:52:46,042
that had come to me
when I was younger and saying,
1109
00:52:46,125 --> 00:52:48,834
"You know, I'm confused.
Something happened to me,
1110
00:52:48,918 --> 00:52:50,500
but, you know, do you know
anything about this?"
1111
00:52:50,584 --> 00:52:52,334
I'm like, "Oh yeah,
it happens to me all the time.
1112
00:52:52,417 --> 00:52:54,375
He does it to me all the time.
You're good.
1113
00:52:54,459 --> 00:52:56,083
You don't have to worry.
It's not weird.
1114
00:52:56,167 --> 00:52:58,209
You're not the only one...
1115
00:52:58,292 --> 00:53:01,584
He does it to me all the time.
So, you're good."
1116
00:53:01,667 --> 00:53:03,417
And then thinking like,
"Oh my God,
1117
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:05,500
like, did I just silence
these people?
1118
00:53:06,751 --> 00:53:10,000
Like, did I stop them
from stopping him?"
1119
00:53:11,918 --> 00:53:13,042
I did.
1120
00:53:14,959 --> 00:53:17,209
INTERVIEWER: That's because
you didn't know what it was.
1121
00:53:17,292 --> 00:53:19,792
I know. (SOBS) But I still did.
1122
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:26,500
POSTHUMA: I called
IndyStar and reported my story.
1123
00:53:26,584 --> 00:53:28,375
And so obviously
they knew Rachael well,
1124
00:53:28,459 --> 00:53:33,083
and I got to talk with Rachael
that first day that I found out.
1125
00:53:33,167 --> 00:53:37,292
And she really spurred me on to
keep going to the next steps.
1126
00:53:37,375 --> 00:53:38,834
Things developed pretty quickly.
1127
00:53:38,918 --> 00:53:40,918
Rachael Denhollander filed
her complaint
1128
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,125
at the end of August
1129
00:53:42,209 --> 00:53:43,876
and by the end of September,
1130
00:53:43,959 --> 00:53:45,876
Larry Nassar had been fired
from Michigan State.
1131
00:53:45,959 --> 00:53:47,792
REPORTER 4: Michigan State
University Police say
1132
00:53:47,876 --> 00:53:49,876
about 50 women have now
come forward
1133
00:53:49,959 --> 00:53:52,083
accusing the former
MSU associate professor
1134
00:53:52,167 --> 00:53:53,667
of criminal sexual conduct.
1135
00:53:53,751 --> 00:53:57,417
Michigan State University
Chief of Police, Jim Dunlap,
1136
00:53:57,500 --> 00:54:00,584
and I are announcing today
criminal charges.
1137
00:54:00,667 --> 00:54:02,083
O'BRIEN:
In November, he was charged
1138
00:54:02,167 --> 00:54:03,918
by the Attorney General
in Michigan
1139
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,584
on state sex abuse charges
related to one victim,
1140
00:54:07,667 --> 00:54:09,334
who was not a gymnast
he treated.
1141
00:54:10,209 --> 00:54:12,959
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1142
00:54:18,918 --> 00:54:20,626
POSTHUMA: The first time
he got put in jail,
1143
00:54:20,709 --> 00:54:22,542
he bailed himself out
for a million dollars.
1144
00:54:22,626 --> 00:54:26,584
He was a free citizen.
He's walking around town,
1145
00:54:26,667 --> 00:54:30,209
still trying to be, um,
part of the council
1146
00:54:30,292 --> 00:54:34,083
for Holt High School.
It's dividing the whole town.
1147
00:54:34,167 --> 00:54:35,792
I had people I talked to
on the phone,
1148
00:54:35,876 --> 00:54:37,417
that couldn't even speak because
1149
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:40,125
they were best friends
with Nassar's wife.
1150
00:54:40,209 --> 00:54:43,959
The Twistars community
is behind him 100 percent.
1151
00:54:44,042 --> 00:54:46,542
And I have known him
before he even went
1152
00:54:46,626 --> 00:54:50,125
to medical school.
And everything he's ever done
1153
00:54:50,209 --> 00:54:53,000
for gymnastics and everything
I've ever seen him do
1154
00:54:53,083 --> 00:54:56,459
has been nothing
but caring and sincere.
1155
00:54:56,542 --> 00:54:59,542
There are hundreds of people
that support him 100 percent.
1156
00:54:59,626 --> 00:55:01,667
We have received
countless emails
1157
00:55:01,751 --> 00:55:04,542
and communications
from other doctors, physicians,
1158
00:55:04,626 --> 00:55:07,918
physical therapists,
ex-patients,
1159
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,459
ex-coworkers supporting him.
1160
00:55:10,542 --> 00:55:12,125
There's no doubt
he has a ton of support.
1161
00:55:12,209 --> 00:55:15,042
I couldn't even go on Facebook
because people from my childhood
1162
00:55:15,125 --> 00:55:18,125
were saying things
against me, essentially.
1163
00:55:18,209 --> 00:55:20,000
Just decided to click
on the comments.
1164
00:55:20,083 --> 00:55:22,459
"Oh, they're lying," or "They're
just in it for the money,"
1165
00:55:22,542 --> 00:55:24,459
or, "Oh, they should have known
that happened."
1166
00:55:24,542 --> 00:55:28,584
There's all these
weird emotions, you know,
1167
00:55:28,667 --> 00:55:30,626
at the beginning
of September 2016,
1168
00:55:30,709 --> 00:55:34,375
until the porn stuff came out
and then everyone silenced.
1169
00:55:34,459 --> 00:55:36,334
SIMON SHAYKHET:
...FBI agents saying they found
1170
00:55:36,417 --> 00:55:40,375
at least 37,000 thousand images
and videos of child pornography
1171
00:55:40,459 --> 00:55:43,584
on hard drives belonging
to Dr. Larry Nassar.
1172
00:55:43,667 --> 00:55:45,500
They were seized
during a recent search
1173
00:55:45,584 --> 00:55:48,667
of the former MSU doctor's home
in Holt.
1174
00:55:48,751 --> 00:55:52,584
I represented Dr. Nassar
in his criminal matters
1175
00:55:52,667 --> 00:55:54,083
in Michigan
and in federal court.
1176
00:55:54,167 --> 00:55:57,334
I believe law enforcement
said there were 37,000
1177
00:55:57,417 --> 00:55:59,626
or more than 37,000 images.
1178
00:55:59,709 --> 00:56:03,959
It sounds like a high volume
to people who are not familiar
1179
00:56:04,042 --> 00:56:05,709
with these cases,
but in all honestly,
1180
00:56:05,792 --> 00:56:06,918
it's not a high volume.
1181
00:56:08,626 --> 00:56:10,125
It makes me want to vomit.
1182
00:56:10,209 --> 00:56:12,876
Were some of those pictures
some of these gymnasts
1183
00:56:12,959 --> 00:56:14,209
and some of his patients,
1184
00:56:14,292 --> 00:56:16,125
some people that he saw
at his house?
1185
00:56:16,209 --> 00:56:17,459
Quite possibly so.
1186
00:56:17,542 --> 00:56:19,626
I mean, I cared that
that was found,
1187
00:56:19,709 --> 00:56:21,125
but what I mostly cared about,
1188
00:56:21,209 --> 00:56:22,792
that he was in prison
without bail.
1189
00:56:22,876 --> 00:56:26,417
Bond was revoked and Dr. Nassar
was, uh, locked up in jail.
1190
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:29,250
And so, it became more difficult
in terms of,
1191
00:56:29,334 --> 00:56:30,834
you know, defending.
1192
00:56:30,918 --> 00:56:33,292
INTERVIEWER: There was
no real way to mount a defense
1193
00:56:33,375 --> 00:56:35,417
in the-- with the child porn.
1194
00:56:37,167 --> 00:56:38,375
I can't answer that.
1195
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:42,250
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1196
00:56:48,459 --> 00:56:50,167
O'BRIEN: There was no more
reasonable doubt
1197
00:56:50,250 --> 00:56:53,626
about this anymore.
And USA Gymnastics
1198
00:56:53,709 --> 00:56:57,292
starts realizing this is not
going to get better quickly.
1199
00:56:57,375 --> 00:57:00,250
The US Olympic Committee's board
is recommending
1200
00:57:00,334 --> 00:57:04,876
that USA Gymnastics president,
Steve Penny, resign.
1201
00:57:04,959 --> 00:57:06,500
O'BRIEN:
Steve Penny lost his job,
1202
00:57:06,584 --> 00:57:09,834
but he got a roughly
one-million-dollar payout.
1203
00:57:09,918 --> 00:57:13,918
Then fall of 2017 was when
the Harvey Weinstein allegations
1204
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,334
came out and we were
in the full throes
1205
00:57:17,417 --> 00:57:19,292
of the "Me Too" movement.
1206
00:57:19,375 --> 00:57:21,876
McKayla Maroney,
the gold medal Olympic gymnast.
1207
00:57:21,959 --> 00:57:24,834
Maroney is now coming forward
to say that she was abused
1208
00:57:24,918 --> 00:57:27,876
by the former doctor
for Team USA.
1209
00:57:27,959 --> 00:57:31,417
Olympic gymnast, Aly Raisman,
said she is among
1210
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:33,709
the young women sexually abused
1211
00:57:33,792 --> 00:57:36,667
by a former physician
with USA Gymnastics.
1212
00:57:36,751 --> 00:57:39,042
Four-time Olympic gold medalist
Simone Biles
1213
00:57:39,125 --> 00:57:40,542
says she was sexually abused
1214
00:57:40,626 --> 00:57:42,959
by a former USA Gymnastics
team doctor.
1215
00:57:43,042 --> 00:57:45,792
She posted about it on Twitter
yesterday saying this,
1216
00:57:45,876 --> 00:57:48,751
"I am not afraid
to tell my story anymore."
1217
00:57:48,834 --> 00:57:52,709
These are some of the most
cherished, celebrated athletes
1218
00:57:52,792 --> 00:57:56,042
in America, in the world.
And they're coming forward
1219
00:57:56,125 --> 00:57:58,125
and saying,
"This also happened to me.
1220
00:57:58,209 --> 00:58:01,167
We were also abused,
and right under the noses
1221
00:58:01,250 --> 00:58:04,042
of the US Olympic Committee,
USA Gymnastics,
1222
00:58:04,125 --> 00:58:06,000
and the American public.
This was happening
1223
00:58:06,083 --> 00:58:11,459
while we were competing for you
in London and before then."
1224
00:58:11,542 --> 00:58:14,042
Their public coming forward,
I think,
1225
00:58:14,125 --> 00:58:15,751
the importance of that
can't be overstated.
1226
00:58:16,667 --> 00:58:19,918
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1227
00:58:31,626 --> 00:58:32,751
BAILIFF: All rise.
1228
00:58:36,042 --> 00:58:37,918
JUDGE ROSEMARIE AQUILINA:
Thank you. You may be seated.
1229
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,417
The attorneys asked
if I would take a plea,
1230
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:41,834
and I advised, "That's fine,
1231
00:58:41,918 --> 00:58:43,417
but I'm going to let
everybody talk.
1232
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:45,959
Because he harmed
so many, not just the girls,
1233
00:58:46,042 --> 00:58:48,751
but everybody
who touches this case."
1234
00:58:48,834 --> 00:58:52,918
Victims will be allowed
to speak,
1235
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,626
and we'll continue until all
victims have had an opportunity.
1236
00:58:56,709 --> 00:58:58,417
POSTHUMA: When the opportunity
posed for us
1237
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:02,250
to do our impact statements,
I was thankfully at a place
1238
00:59:02,334 --> 00:59:05,542
where I knew that you don't need
to be shameful
1239
00:59:05,626 --> 00:59:07,959
'cause it wasn't your fault,
and you don't need to live
1240
00:59:08,042 --> 00:59:09,375
in that darkness anymore.
1241
00:59:11,250 --> 00:59:14,209
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1242
00:59:23,292 --> 00:59:25,584
SMITH: You know, the day
of court, my alarm went off,
1243
00:59:25,667 --> 00:59:28,250
and I have never been
in such a panic.
1244
00:59:28,334 --> 00:59:32,083
Like, I felt like I was falling
off a cliff when I woke up.
1245
00:59:32,167 --> 00:59:35,334
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
1246
00:59:38,417 --> 00:59:40,375
There were so many people
in there
1247
00:59:40,459 --> 00:59:43,584
that were so heavily impacted
by what happened.
1248
00:59:43,667 --> 00:59:46,083
SMITH: Every time a door opened,
we were all-- (GASPS)
1249
00:59:46,167 --> 00:59:47,667
You know?
Like, I felt that tension
1250
00:59:47,751 --> 00:59:50,209
and I felt everyone's eyes go
to the door immediately.
1251
00:59:51,417 --> 00:59:53,792
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1252
00:59:56,876 --> 00:59:59,500
The first victim
will be publicly identified.
1253
00:59:59,584 --> 01:00:01,876
-Miss Kyle Stephens.
-(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1254
01:00:03,792 --> 01:00:05,459
KYLE STEPHENS: Good morning.
1255
01:00:05,542 --> 01:00:07,000
Up until this point,
1256
01:00:07,083 --> 01:00:10,334
I've been known as Victim ZA,
or family friend.
1257
01:00:10,417 --> 01:00:12,250
I was the first to testify
in this case
1258
01:00:12,334 --> 01:00:14,375
and, wary of the attention
that could come with that,
1259
01:00:14,459 --> 01:00:16,751
I asked for complete anonymity.
1260
01:00:16,834 --> 01:00:18,626
I'm addressing you
publicly today
1261
01:00:18,709 --> 01:00:21,542
as a final step
and statement to myself
1262
01:00:21,626 --> 01:00:24,876
that I have nothing
to be ashamed of.
1263
01:00:24,959 --> 01:00:27,167
My parents had become
close friends with Larry
1264
01:00:27,250 --> 01:00:30,250
and his wife, Stephanie.
It was during this time--
1265
01:00:30,334 --> 01:00:32,584
I estimate I was approximately
six years old--
1266
01:00:32,667 --> 01:00:36,083
that Larry Nassar
began to sexually abuse me.
1267
01:00:36,167 --> 01:00:38,959
He first exposed his penis to me
in a dark boiler room
1268
01:00:39,042 --> 01:00:40,792
in the basement of his home.
1269
01:00:40,876 --> 01:00:43,000
He told me,
"If you ever want to see it,
1270
01:00:43,083 --> 01:00:44,626
all you have to do is ask."
1271
01:00:46,167 --> 01:00:47,792
Let me remind you
of the interests
1272
01:00:47,876 --> 01:00:49,792
of a six-year-old girl.
1273
01:00:49,876 --> 01:00:53,000
My favorite TV show was
Clifford The Big Red Dog
1274
01:00:53,083 --> 01:00:56,334
and my favorite book
was Junie B. Jones.
1275
01:00:56,417 --> 01:00:58,500
I could not do
a multiplication problem
1276
01:00:58,584 --> 01:01:01,250
and still had not lost
all my baby teeth.
1277
01:01:01,334 --> 01:01:04,918
Someone of this maturity level
should not be sexually active,
1278
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,167
but I was.
Without my knowledge or consent,
1279
01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:10,209
I had engaged
in my first sexual experience
1280
01:01:10,292 --> 01:01:13,918
by kindergarten.
And it progressed from exposure
1281
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,250
to masturbating in front of me
while playing hide-and-go-seek,
1282
01:01:18,334 --> 01:01:20,918
rubbing his bare penis
on my bare feet,
1283
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,500
and penetrating my vagina
with his fingers.
1284
01:01:26,167 --> 01:01:29,334
It took a friend confiding
the details of her sexual abuse
1285
01:01:29,417 --> 01:01:32,751
for me to realize
that something was wrong.
1286
01:01:32,834 --> 01:01:35,083
I was 12 years old
when I told my parents,
1287
01:01:35,167 --> 01:01:38,876
"When Larry rubs my feet,
he uses his penis."
1288
01:01:38,959 --> 01:01:43,209
My parents confronted him,
and he denied any such action.
1289
01:01:43,292 --> 01:01:46,292
Due to complex details
that I won't get into here,
1290
01:01:47,834 --> 01:01:50,459
my parents chose
to believe Larry Nassar over me.
1291
01:01:52,167 --> 01:01:54,959
I spent the years
between 12 and 18
1292
01:01:55,042 --> 01:01:58,292
avoiding and detaching
from my family.
1293
01:01:58,375 --> 01:02:02,751
To my father, someone who makes
such heinous false accusations
1294
01:02:02,834 --> 01:02:04,375
is the worst type of person.
1295
01:02:07,042 --> 01:02:09,584
His belief that I had lied
seeped into the foundation
1296
01:02:09,667 --> 01:02:13,209
of our relationship. Every time
we got into a fight,
1297
01:02:14,959 --> 01:02:17,709
he would tell me, "You need
to apologize to Larry."
1298
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,834
It wasn't until I was about
to leave for college
1299
01:02:24,918 --> 01:02:27,375
that I took another chance
at clearing my name.
1300
01:02:29,417 --> 01:02:31,542
Larry Nassar's actions
had already caused me
1301
01:02:31,626 --> 01:02:36,834
significant anguish, but I hurt
worse as I watched my father
1302
01:02:36,918 --> 01:02:38,667
realize what he had put me
through.
1303
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:43,500
My father and I did our best
to patch up
1304
01:02:43,584 --> 01:02:44,709
our tattered relationship
1305
01:02:44,792 --> 01:02:47,584
before he committed suicide
in 2016.
1306
01:02:53,876 --> 01:02:56,125
AQUILINA:
It was very painful.
1307
01:02:58,959 --> 01:03:00,792
You could see it in their face.
1308
01:03:01,709 --> 01:03:03,959
People were shaking, crying...
1309
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:07,459
just at the sight of Nassar.
1310
01:03:09,292 --> 01:03:10,959
JORDYN WIEBER: I thought
that training for the Olympics
1311
01:03:11,042 --> 01:03:14,042
would be the hardest thing
that I would ever have to do.
1312
01:03:14,125 --> 01:03:17,083
But in fact, the hardest thing
I've ever had to do
1313
01:03:17,167 --> 01:03:20,542
is process that I'm a victim
of Larry Nassar.
1314
01:03:20,626 --> 01:03:24,542
As I listened,
I started getting angry,
1315
01:03:24,626 --> 01:03:26,709
which I didn't want
to get angry.
1316
01:03:26,792 --> 01:03:28,209
When the proceedings started,
1317
01:03:28,292 --> 01:03:30,042
it was just like
any other court hearing.
1318
01:03:30,125 --> 01:03:32,042
And really what happened
is every day,
1319
01:03:32,125 --> 01:03:34,125
there were more and more girls
coming forward.
1320
01:03:34,209 --> 01:03:37,125
ANGELA POVILAITIS:
The next survivor you will hear
from is Amanda Thomashow.
1321
01:03:37,209 --> 01:03:39,584
-LINDSEY LEMKE: Lindsey Lemke.
-POVILAITIS: Jessica Smith,
1322
01:03:39,667 --> 01:03:42,167
and she has agreed
to be publicly identified.
1323
01:03:42,250 --> 01:03:45,500
Normally, there are not
people applauding.
1324
01:03:45,584 --> 01:03:48,083
(APPLAUSE)
1325
01:03:49,584 --> 01:03:51,500
People booing
the defense lawyers.
1326
01:03:51,584 --> 01:03:54,459
My office and my family
were getting death threats.
1327
01:03:54,542 --> 01:03:57,584
My co-counsel was getting
death threats on his children.
1328
01:03:59,834 --> 01:04:04,834
At times, I was very fearful
of just the vulnerability
1329
01:04:04,918 --> 01:04:06,751
coming out into fighting.
1330
01:04:06,834 --> 01:04:09,459
It felt like you were really
a part of a mob.
1331
01:04:09,542 --> 01:04:12,584
And it was just adding like
a constant fuel to a fire.
1332
01:04:12,667 --> 01:04:16,250
It's almost like that kind
of an explosion was inevitable.
1333
01:04:18,292 --> 01:04:20,042
REPORTER 5: Gymnastics doctor
who has admitted
1334
01:04:20,125 --> 01:04:21,834
to sexually assaulting
young girls,
1335
01:04:21,918 --> 01:04:23,375
claiming
it was medical treatment,
1336
01:04:23,459 --> 01:04:25,250
back in court today.
1337
01:04:25,334 --> 01:04:28,918
Judge, I would ask you to,
as part of the sentencing,
1338
01:04:30,292 --> 01:04:31,834
to grant me five minutes
1339
01:04:31,918 --> 01:04:35,209
in a locked room
with this demon.
1340
01:04:35,292 --> 01:04:37,459
-I have given--
-Would you do that?
1341
01:04:37,542 --> 01:04:38,834
JUDGE JANICE CUNNINGHAM:
1342
01:04:38,918 --> 01:04:40,584
-Yes or no?
-CUNNINGHAM:
1343
01:04:40,667 --> 01:04:43,125
-Would you give me one minute?
-(UNCOMFORTABLE CHUCKLES)
1344
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,250
CUNNINGHAM:
1345
01:04:46,334 --> 01:04:48,918
-Well, I'm gonna have to just--
-(SURPRISED SHOUTS)
1346
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:54,959
RANDALL MARGRAVES:
Let me at that son of a bitch.
1347
01:04:55,042 --> 01:04:56,459
OFFICER 2: I understand,
but stay down.
1348
01:04:56,542 --> 01:04:58,334
MARGRAVES: Give me one minute
with that bastard.
1349
01:05:00,125 --> 01:05:01,459
One minute.
1350
01:05:01,542 --> 01:05:04,250
OFFICER 2: Relax, sir. Relax.
Take it easy, buddy.
1351
01:05:04,334 --> 01:05:08,042
Just relax. 1, 2, 3.
1352
01:05:09,667 --> 01:05:11,542
What if this happened
to you guys' daughters?
1353
01:05:11,626 --> 01:05:14,042
-(WOMAN BREATHING HEAVILY)
-CUNNINGHAM: You can't do that.
1354
01:05:14,125 --> 01:05:15,751
You cannot behave like that.
1355
01:05:33,334 --> 01:05:35,000
"I'm very concerned...
1356
01:05:36,584 --> 01:05:40,417
about my ability to be able
to face witnesses
1357
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:42,584
this next four days mentally."
1358
01:05:44,083 --> 01:05:47,167
The letter he wrote me
was all about him,
1359
01:05:47,250 --> 01:05:49,876
him wanting to be in control.
1360
01:05:49,959 --> 01:05:53,834
Sir, there's a few sentences
in here that concern me.
1361
01:05:56,542 --> 01:05:58,083
Your letter states,
1362
01:05:58,167 --> 01:06:00,959
"Now, Aquilina is having
a four-day...
1363
01:06:02,042 --> 01:06:05,626
sentencing media circus.
1364
01:06:05,709 --> 01:06:10,709
She wants me to sit
in the witness box next to her
1365
01:06:10,792 --> 01:06:13,459
for all four days
so the media cameras
1366
01:06:13,542 --> 01:06:17,083
-will be directed toward her."
-(CROWD CHUCKLES)
1367
01:06:19,250 --> 01:06:21,125
And the portions
I didn't want to read
1368
01:06:21,209 --> 01:06:26,584
is because he's actually listed
some names. Victim blaming.
1369
01:06:26,667 --> 01:06:30,667
I didn't want to read it
and then black out the names
1370
01:06:30,751 --> 01:06:33,167
because each girl is going
to put their name in there.
1371
01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:35,584
There's no good that's going
to come from reading
1372
01:06:35,667 --> 01:06:37,876
that whole letter,
which is why I sealed it.
1373
01:06:42,959 --> 01:06:46,584
INTERVIEWER: What was it like
for you to consider
1374
01:06:46,667 --> 01:06:49,751
if you wanted to read
a statement in court?
1375
01:06:49,834 --> 01:06:52,500
CHELSEA ZERFAS: Um.
At first, I was kind of unsure
1376
01:06:52,584 --> 01:06:55,167
just because of being
in that courtroom
1377
01:06:55,250 --> 01:06:59,125
and having to face the person
who did all that stuff to me.
1378
01:06:59,209 --> 01:07:01,959
But at the same time,
I wanted to have a voice.
1379
01:07:03,834 --> 01:07:06,626
You manipulated me so much
that I didn't know
1380
01:07:06,709 --> 01:07:11,709
what was going on. Larry acted
as if he was a friend.
1381
01:07:11,792 --> 01:07:13,876
He would greet me
with a sickening smile
1382
01:07:13,959 --> 01:07:16,500
every time I saw him.
1383
01:07:16,584 --> 01:07:19,626
I remember him liking my posts
on Instagram.
1384
01:07:19,709 --> 01:07:21,876
It's weird to think
that an older male doctor
1385
01:07:21,959 --> 01:07:25,042
was liking a little girl's posts
and commenting "Merry Christmas"
1386
01:07:25,125 --> 01:07:26,834
on Christmas morning.
1387
01:07:26,918 --> 01:07:28,709
I started to get anxiety
after seeing
1388
01:07:28,792 --> 01:07:30,751
all the news reports about him.
1389
01:07:30,834 --> 01:07:34,042
I felt like I couldn't breathe
and I would tremble in fear.
1390
01:07:34,125 --> 01:07:36,042
I have nightmares
about what happened
1391
01:07:36,125 --> 01:07:37,792
and have troubles with sleeping.
1392
01:07:37,876 --> 01:07:39,959
(VOICE SHAKING)
I've been put on anxiety pills
1393
01:07:40,042 --> 01:07:42,459
just so I can function
throughout the day.
1394
01:07:42,542 --> 01:07:45,709
It's hard for me to trust people
because of you.
1395
01:07:45,792 --> 01:07:47,167
I get scared and uncomfortable
1396
01:07:47,250 --> 01:07:49,042
when I have to go
to the doctor's.
1397
01:07:49,125 --> 01:07:51,292
I get scared that
I will be taken advantage of
1398
01:07:51,375 --> 01:07:55,542
once again by another doctor,
just like you did.
1399
01:07:55,626 --> 01:07:59,751
I've tried my best to gain back
the strength I once had.
1400
01:07:59,834 --> 01:08:04,334
I am a survivor. Here I am today
facing my abuser.
1401
01:08:04,417 --> 01:08:08,709
I'm finally being heard.
I'm no longer hiding my story.
1402
01:08:08,792 --> 01:08:11,375
When it first started,
there were only about six
1403
01:08:11,459 --> 01:08:15,292
who were actually going
to come public with their name.
1404
01:08:15,375 --> 01:08:18,792
One girl empowered the next,
empowered the next.
1405
01:08:18,876 --> 01:08:21,709
ALY RAISMAN:
Your honor, I didn't think
I would be here today.
1406
01:08:21,792 --> 01:08:24,500
I was scared and nervous.
1407
01:08:24,584 --> 01:08:26,167
It wasn't
until I started watching
1408
01:08:26,250 --> 01:08:29,250
the impact statements
from the other brave survivors
1409
01:08:29,334 --> 01:08:33,083
that I realized I too
needed to be here.
1410
01:08:33,167 --> 01:08:35,709
I am also here to tell you
to your face, Larry,
1411
01:08:35,792 --> 01:08:38,292
that you have not taken
gymnastics away from me.
1412
01:08:38,375 --> 01:08:41,626
I love this sport, and that love
is stronger than the evil
1413
01:08:41,709 --> 01:08:44,292
that resides in you
and those who enabled you
1414
01:08:44,375 --> 01:08:46,292
to hurt many people.
1415
01:08:46,375 --> 01:08:50,083
Larry, you do realize now
that we, this group of women
1416
01:08:50,167 --> 01:08:53,667
you so heartlessly abused
over such a long period of time,
1417
01:08:53,751 --> 01:08:56,459
are now a force
and you are nothing?
1418
01:08:57,959 --> 01:09:01,709
You hear these statements
and, you know, they're so brave.
1419
01:09:01,792 --> 01:09:03,334
So, I wanted them to know, one,
1420
01:09:03,417 --> 01:09:04,918
I wanted the
little ones to know
1421
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,876
that I was there for them
'cause I was older
1422
01:09:07,959 --> 01:09:11,000
and I do know him very well
and I wanted them to know
1423
01:09:11,083 --> 01:09:13,584
that I'll stand,
I'll stand with them.
1424
01:09:14,751 --> 01:09:15,918
If you will allow it,
1425
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,042
I would like to address him
directly.
1426
01:09:18,125 --> 01:09:19,876
AQUILINA: You may.
1427
01:09:19,959 --> 01:09:22,209
-(SOBS)
-AQUILINA: Take your time.
1428
01:09:22,292 --> 01:09:24,834
HOMER: It's all right, sweetie.
1429
01:09:24,918 --> 01:09:28,375
-Wow.
-You're strong. You're strong.
1430
01:09:28,459 --> 01:09:30,334
GONCZAR: What have you done?
1431
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:35,083
I look at these young girls here
and I told my mom
1432
01:09:35,167 --> 01:09:38,918
the hardest part for me
was to see how little they were.
1433
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,667
She said to me,
"You were that little too,
1434
01:09:42,417 --> 01:09:43,709
if not younger."
1435
01:09:45,334 --> 01:09:49,417
I had to make an extremely
hard choice this week, Larry.
1436
01:09:49,500 --> 01:09:54,209
I had to choose whether continue
supporting you through this
1437
01:09:54,292 --> 01:09:57,125
or to support them, the girls.
1438
01:09:58,292 --> 01:10:00,334
I choose them, Larry.
1439
01:10:01,751 --> 01:10:05,042
I've known you basically
all of my life.
1440
01:10:05,125 --> 01:10:08,834
In fact,
I've known you 31 of 37 years.
1441
01:10:10,959 --> 01:10:12,459
I remember your wedding,
1442
01:10:12,542 --> 01:10:17,584
thinking Stephanie was
the luckiest woman in the world.
1443
01:10:17,667 --> 01:10:20,834
My heart hurts for her
and the kids every single day.
1444
01:10:20,918 --> 01:10:24,000
Why lose everything
and everything that was good?
1445
01:10:24,083 --> 01:10:25,959
For what?
1446
01:10:26,042 --> 01:10:29,584
We literally loved you
like family
1447
01:10:31,542 --> 01:10:34,542
because we thought
you loved us back.
1448
01:10:37,167 --> 01:10:41,500
I choose to look you in the face
and tell you that you hurt us.
1449
01:10:42,834 --> 01:10:43,876
You hurt me,
1450
01:10:45,334 --> 01:10:47,918
as I've had to realize
I was abused
1451
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,667
for many years of my life.
1452
01:10:51,083 --> 01:10:54,834
And this, my old friend,
is because of you.
1453
01:10:57,709 --> 01:10:59,751
I don't know who you are now.
1454
01:11:01,918 --> 01:11:03,751
Larry, I think you will be happy
to know
1455
01:11:03,834 --> 01:11:05,792
that I am
12 weeks pregnant today.
1456
01:11:07,083 --> 01:11:08,459
It's a little boy.
1457
01:11:11,709 --> 01:11:14,000
And I will do everything
for the rest of my life
1458
01:11:14,083 --> 01:11:16,334
to make sure that the yous
of this world
1459
01:11:16,417 --> 01:11:18,375
don't get to hurt
another one of us.
1460
01:11:20,918 --> 01:11:22,042
Goodbye, Larry.
1461
01:11:22,125 --> 01:11:24,250
It's time for me
to close the door.
1462
01:11:27,209 --> 01:11:30,626
May God bless
your dark, broken soul.
1463
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:32,000
AQUILINA: Thank you.
1464
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:52,542
We are on our final
victim impact statement.
1465
01:11:52,626 --> 01:11:56,918
I am so honored to let you know
that the next person
1466
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,709
you will hear from
is Rachael Denhollander.
1467
01:12:01,292 --> 01:12:03,167
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1468
01:12:11,459 --> 01:12:14,292
How much is a little girl worth?
1469
01:12:15,626 --> 01:12:18,751
At 15, I believed
that the adults at MSU
1470
01:12:18,834 --> 01:12:21,083
surrounding Larry
would do the right thing,
1471
01:12:21,167 --> 01:12:23,250
and I was terribly wrong.
1472
01:12:23,334 --> 01:12:26,542
You play word games,
saying you didn't know
1473
01:12:26,626 --> 01:12:27,918
because no one believed
1474
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,834
because these teenagers
didn't report it
1475
01:12:29,918 --> 01:12:31,459
to the right official.
1476
01:12:31,542 --> 01:12:34,584
And so, I am asking point-blank.
When Kathie Klages humiliated
1477
01:12:34,667 --> 01:12:36,918
Larissa Boyce
and waved the report form
1478
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,584
in front of her, telling her
there would be consequences
1479
01:12:39,667 --> 01:12:41,709
if she reported,
is this the right way
1480
01:12:41,792 --> 01:12:43,209
or the wrong way?
1481
01:12:44,834 --> 01:12:47,626
When Amanda Thomashow reported
to the Title IX office
1482
01:12:47,709 --> 01:12:50,709
and Larry was allowed
to hand-pick the four colleagues
1483
01:12:50,792 --> 01:12:53,459
to determine whether
his treatment was legitimate,
1484
01:12:53,542 --> 01:12:56,459
was it the right way
or the wrong way
1485
01:12:56,542 --> 01:13:00,250
to handle a report of sexual
assault on MSU's campus?
1486
01:13:02,042 --> 01:13:03,500
No one wanted to listen.
1487
01:13:04,792 --> 01:13:07,375
I ask that you hand down
a sentence that tells us
1488
01:13:07,459 --> 01:13:09,500
that what was done to us
matters.
1489
01:13:09,584 --> 01:13:11,959
Larry said in court
that he hoped education
1490
01:13:12,042 --> 01:13:14,209
and learning would happen.
1491
01:13:14,292 --> 01:13:16,000
This is what we need to learn.
1492
01:13:17,042 --> 01:13:19,250
Look around the courtroom.
1493
01:13:19,334 --> 01:13:23,209
Remember what you have witnessed
these past seven days,
1494
01:13:23,292 --> 01:13:26,417
and let it be a warning
to us all.
1495
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:30,083
When the adults in authority
do not respond properly
1496
01:13:30,167 --> 01:13:33,000
to disclosures
of sexual assault,
1497
01:13:33,083 --> 01:13:35,083
when institutions
create a culture
1498
01:13:35,167 --> 01:13:38,125
where a predator
can flourish unafraid.
1499
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,751
This is what it looks like.
1500
01:13:41,834 --> 01:13:44,083
It looks like a courtroom
full of survivors
1501
01:13:44,167 --> 01:13:46,834
who carry deep wounds,
1502
01:13:46,918 --> 01:13:50,334
women and girls who carry scars
that will never fully heal,
1503
01:13:50,417 --> 01:13:52,709
but who have banded together
to fight for themselves
1504
01:13:52,792 --> 01:13:55,626
because no one
else would do it.
1505
01:13:55,709 --> 01:13:58,375
Women and girls who have made
the choice to place the guilt
1506
01:13:58,459 --> 01:14:03,334
and shame on the only person
to whom it belongs, the abuser.
1507
01:14:03,417 --> 01:14:06,042
But may the horror
expressed in this courtroom
1508
01:14:06,125 --> 01:14:09,918
over the last seven days
be motivation for anyone
1509
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,751
and everyone,
no matter the context,
1510
01:14:12,834 --> 01:14:15,083
to take responsibility
if they have erred
1511
01:14:15,167 --> 01:14:17,042
in protecting a child.
1512
01:14:17,125 --> 01:14:19,792
To understand
the incredible failures
1513
01:14:19,876 --> 01:14:21,375
that led to this week,
1514
01:14:21,459 --> 01:14:25,667
and to do it better
the next time.
1515
01:14:25,751 --> 01:14:29,000
Because everything is what
these survivors are worth.
1516
01:14:29,083 --> 01:14:30,959
-Thank you.
-AQUILINA: Thank you.
1517
01:14:31,042 --> 01:14:36,876
You built an army of survivors
and you are a five-star general.
1518
01:14:36,959 --> 01:14:38,083
(LAUGHTER)
1519
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,000
You made all of this happen.
1520
01:14:41,083 --> 01:14:44,083
You made
all these voices matter.
1521
01:14:44,167 --> 01:14:45,417
Thank you.
1522
01:14:46,042 --> 01:14:47,250
Thank you.
1523
01:14:51,792 --> 01:14:54,667
(APPLAUSE)
1524
01:15:06,459 --> 01:15:08,417
MAN: Larry wants to address
the court as well.
1525
01:15:09,918 --> 01:15:12,000
AQUILINA: What would you
like me to know?
1526
01:15:12,083 --> 01:15:13,751
It's just a short statement.
1527
01:15:13,834 --> 01:15:18,209
Um. Your words
these past several days,
1528
01:15:18,292 --> 01:15:22,125
your words, your words,
1529
01:15:22,209 --> 01:15:25,500
have had a significant
emotional effect on myself
1530
01:15:25,584 --> 01:15:28,042
and have shaken me to my core.
1531
01:15:28,125 --> 01:15:30,459
I also recognize
that what I am feeling
1532
01:15:30,542 --> 01:15:34,709
pales in comparison
to the pain, trauma,
1533
01:15:34,792 --> 01:15:39,000
and emotional destruction
that all of you are feeling.
1534
01:15:40,459 --> 01:15:43,334
There are no words
that can describe
1535
01:15:43,417 --> 01:15:47,125
the depth and breadth
of how sorry I am
1536
01:15:47,209 --> 01:15:48,876
for what has occurred.
1537
01:15:48,959 --> 01:15:51,959
BOYCE: He heard all the cries,
so he turned around again
1538
01:15:52,042 --> 01:15:54,792
and more and more girls
started crying.
1539
01:15:54,876 --> 01:15:57,709
And then the judge realized
what he was doing.
1540
01:15:57,792 --> 01:16:00,000
An acceptable apology...
1541
01:16:00,083 --> 01:16:02,000
AQUILINA: Sir, you need to stay
at the microphone
1542
01:16:02,083 --> 01:16:03,292
or they can't hear you.
1543
01:16:03,375 --> 01:16:04,626
An acceptable apology
to all of you
1544
01:16:04,709 --> 01:16:07,626
is impossible
to write and convey.
1545
01:16:07,709 --> 01:16:11,250
I will carry your words with me
for the rest of my days.
1546
01:16:11,334 --> 01:16:12,834
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1547
01:16:38,417 --> 01:16:40,250
"The media convinced them
1548
01:16:40,334 --> 01:16:43,125
that everything I did
was wrong and bad.
1549
01:16:44,167 --> 01:16:47,083
They feel I broke their trust.
1550
01:16:47,167 --> 01:16:50,876
Hell hath no fury
like a woman scorned."
1551
01:16:50,959 --> 01:16:52,125
(CROWD GROANS)
1552
01:16:52,209 --> 01:16:54,334
His letter fired me up so much.
1553
01:16:54,417 --> 01:16:56,626
"Hell hath no fury
like a woman scorned."
1554
01:16:56,709 --> 01:17:00,334
I mean, he's not comprehending
the damage that he has done.
1555
01:17:00,417 --> 01:17:06,292
That line really says it all.
He has no respect for women.
1556
01:17:06,375 --> 01:17:08,459
BOYCE: I think it helped
hearing that, actually,
1557
01:17:08,542 --> 01:17:12,209
because I-- there's been
many times where I felt bad
1558
01:17:12,292 --> 01:17:16,834
for him because we had
this relationship with him.
1559
01:17:16,918 --> 01:17:19,584
We, like, we really loved him,
1560
01:17:19,667 --> 01:17:22,542
and looked up to him,
and cared about him.
1561
01:17:22,626 --> 01:17:28,292
And so, it was good to hear
those words that he wrote
1562
01:17:28,375 --> 01:17:32,500
because it made me f--
not feel bad for him anymore.
1563
01:17:32,584 --> 01:17:35,709
(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
1564
01:17:43,083 --> 01:17:44,792
Would you like to withdraw
your plea?
1565
01:17:44,876 --> 01:17:46,125
NASSAR: No, your honor.
1566
01:17:48,209 --> 01:17:50,209
AQUILINA: Because
you are guilty, aren't you?
1567
01:17:53,167 --> 01:17:54,459
Are you guilty, sir?
1568
01:18:23,083 --> 01:18:26,375
If I thought he was worthy
of being rehabilitated,
1569
01:18:26,459 --> 01:18:29,083
I would have sentenced him
to the 25 years.
1570
01:18:30,792 --> 01:18:32,792
Based on his comments
to the girls,
1571
01:18:32,876 --> 01:18:34,959
he was not remorseful.
1572
01:18:35,042 --> 01:18:37,417
He is a true predator.
1573
01:18:37,500 --> 01:18:39,542
That's all for the record.
1574
01:18:39,626 --> 01:18:40,834
BAILIFF: All rise.
1575
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:49,209
(APPLAUSE)
1576
01:19:03,042 --> 01:19:04,292
SMITH: You know,
1577
01:19:04,375 --> 01:19:06,918
I really expected
to feel a lot better,
1578
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,334
if I'm being honest.
1579
01:19:08,417 --> 01:19:10,542
Felt like I was going
to walk out and be like,
1580
01:19:10,626 --> 01:19:12,167
"Great, things are better now."
1581
01:19:12,250 --> 01:19:15,167
You know, and people are like
"It's over!" It's not over.
1582
01:19:18,250 --> 01:19:21,626
♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1583
01:19:25,375 --> 01:19:27,209
MORGAN MCCAUL:
While it was very empowering
1584
01:19:27,292 --> 01:19:28,500
to watch these women,
1585
01:19:28,584 --> 01:19:29,792
they're taking back their voice
1586
01:19:29,876 --> 01:19:31,042
but they shouldn't
have ever had
1587
01:19:31,125 --> 01:19:35,000
to use it to say, "Me too."
1588
01:19:35,083 --> 01:19:37,167
Disclosing your name
and your face
1589
01:19:37,250 --> 01:19:39,751
along with your story
in this volume
1590
01:19:39,834 --> 01:19:41,834
to be believed is a travesty.
1591
01:19:43,792 --> 01:19:48,125
HAMILTON: We need to deliver
on the promise to these victims
1592
01:19:48,209 --> 01:19:51,500
that the world will be better
because you came forward.
1593
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,667
The "Me Too" movement
will be a success
1594
01:19:55,751 --> 01:19:59,584
if it turns
into social and legal change.
1595
01:19:59,667 --> 01:20:01,667
REPORTER 6: Is there any truth
that there's money
1596
01:20:01,751 --> 01:20:03,209
been put aside for counseling
1597
01:20:03,292 --> 01:20:04,709
-for these girls?
-Yes.
1598
01:20:04,792 --> 01:20:06,792
REPORTER 6: Have any
of the girls been contacted yet?
1599
01:20:06,876 --> 01:20:08,375
They were supposed to be--
1600
01:20:08,459 --> 01:20:10,209
What about for those of us
who have already had counseling
1601
01:20:10,292 --> 01:20:12,334
but this is now a year
and a half later
1602
01:20:12,417 --> 01:20:13,542
that you're doing this?
1603
01:20:13,626 --> 01:20:16,000
The counseling fund,
if you read the--
1604
01:20:16,083 --> 01:20:17,959
the material
that was released publicly--
1605
01:20:18,042 --> 01:20:19,834
LEMKE: I would like
to hear it from you, personally.
1606
01:20:19,918 --> 01:20:21,334
Okay. Includes past expenses.
1607
01:20:24,083 --> 01:20:26,876
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1608
01:20:31,751 --> 01:20:33,459
Another former Michigan State
employee
1609
01:20:33,542 --> 01:20:35,209
is facing criminal charges
tonight.
1610
01:20:35,292 --> 01:20:37,626
The State Attorney General's
Office is charging
1611
01:20:37,709 --> 01:20:40,292
former MSU Gymnastics coach,
Kathie Klages,
1612
01:20:40,375 --> 01:20:42,751
with two counts of lying
to investigators.
1613
01:20:42,834 --> 01:20:44,417
REPORTER 7:
As of today, there have been
1614
01:20:44,500 --> 01:20:46,125
three former MSU employees
1615
01:20:46,209 --> 01:20:49,083
charged
during MSU's investigation.
1616
01:20:49,167 --> 01:20:53,626
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
1617
01:20:58,083 --> 01:21:00,209
REPORTER 8: Young gymnasts
who say they were victimized
1618
01:21:00,292 --> 01:21:03,042
by Larry Nassar
are now advocating for changes
1619
01:21:03,125 --> 01:21:05,292
to Michigan laws
to make it easier
1620
01:21:05,375 --> 01:21:07,292
to hold abuse enablers
accountable.
1621
01:21:13,125 --> 01:21:15,751
INTERVIEWER: What can be done
so this does not happen?
1622
01:21:15,834 --> 01:21:17,584
You have to start from scratch.
1623
01:21:17,667 --> 01:21:20,751
You have to create
a whole new governing body,
1624
01:21:20,834 --> 01:21:22,709
new USA Gymnastics.
1625
01:21:22,792 --> 01:21:24,417
You need to move it out
of Indianapolis.
1626
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:28,000
You need to bring people in that
know all sides of the sport,
1627
01:21:28,083 --> 01:21:30,834
and including, you know,
treating people right.
1628
01:21:42,250 --> 01:21:44,918
There is a sense that slowly
but surely,
1629
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:46,334
progress is being made
1630
01:21:46,417 --> 01:21:48,918
and people in positions
of authority
1631
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,417
are having to answer
for what happened.
1632
01:21:53,792 --> 01:21:56,417
More fallout
from the Larry Nassar scandal.
1633
01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:58,417
USA Gymnastics has suspended
1634
01:21:58,500 --> 01:22:00,626
the owner of Twistars,
John Geddert.
1635
01:22:08,751 --> 01:22:12,500
We demonize the Nassars
and the Sanduskys,
1636
01:22:12,584 --> 01:22:14,250
uh, and they've done
horrible things.
1637
01:22:14,334 --> 01:22:16,209
But it's the ones
who covered it up
1638
01:22:16,292 --> 01:22:19,375
who made it worse
and created more victims.
1639
01:22:20,834 --> 01:22:22,959
SEN. JERRY MORAN: Mr. Penny.
Uh, let me ask you this.
1640
01:22:23,042 --> 01:22:25,584
Uh, after being informed
about the abuse,
1641
01:22:25,667 --> 01:22:28,584
my understanding is that, uh,
you waited 41 days
1642
01:22:28,667 --> 01:22:30,918
to contact law enforcement.
Is that correct?
1643
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,542
I would like
to answer your question.
1644
01:22:33,626 --> 01:22:35,417
However, I've been instructed
by my attorney
1645
01:22:35,500 --> 01:22:37,292
to assert my rights
under the 5th Amendment.
1646
01:22:37,375 --> 01:22:39,459
You were part
of an organization,
1647
01:22:39,542 --> 01:22:41,375
United States Gymnastics.
1648
01:22:41,459 --> 01:22:44,167
Don't you feel you have
a responsibility to the athletes
1649
01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:47,000
who are here today and to others
around the country?
1650
01:22:47,959 --> 01:22:49,209
Respectfully, Senator,
1651
01:22:49,292 --> 01:22:50,918
I've been instructed
by my attorney
1652
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,709
to assert my rights
under the 5th Amendment
1653
01:22:52,792 --> 01:22:54,626
and decline
to answer your question.
1654
01:22:56,459 --> 01:22:59,667
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
1655
01:23:11,792 --> 01:23:13,083
What we really have to do
1656
01:23:13,167 --> 01:23:15,334
is we have to start listening
to our kids.
1657
01:23:15,417 --> 01:23:18,667
If a child says to you
they don't like
1658
01:23:18,751 --> 01:23:21,834
how someone touched them,
you don't say,
1659
01:23:21,918 --> 01:23:25,083
"But that's one of the nicest
people I ever met."
1660
01:23:25,167 --> 01:23:29,542
You sit down and you say,
"Why? What was wrong?"
1661
01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:35,500
INTERVIEWER: Would you let
your daughter do gymnastics?
1662
01:23:35,584 --> 01:23:37,250
BOYCE: I have mixed emotions.
1663
01:23:38,167 --> 01:23:39,751
I feel hopeful that...
1664
01:23:41,709 --> 01:23:43,667
changes, positive changes,
are being made
1665
01:23:43,751 --> 01:23:47,792
so it will be a better sport
for her... eventually.
1666
01:23:49,417 --> 01:23:52,709
MOCEANU: The sport is beautiful
It's a wonderful sport.
1667
01:23:52,792 --> 01:23:54,042
My child does it.
1668
01:23:54,125 --> 01:23:55,876
I didn't yank him out
just because of this.
1669
01:23:55,959 --> 01:23:59,375
No. I felt empowered that, hey,
the sport's going to be better
1670
01:23:59,459 --> 01:24:01,876
for a future generation
of children, right,
1671
01:24:01,959 --> 01:24:04,292
because we stood up
and we did something about it
1672
01:24:04,375 --> 01:24:06,292
and we're actually
being heard now.
1673
01:24:07,167 --> 01:24:08,959
(CHILDREN CHATTER)
1674
01:24:09,042 --> 01:24:11,959
ZERFAS: I would see,
like, my old teammates posting,
1675
01:24:12,042 --> 01:24:16,125
and I'd see all these things
about gymnastics
1676
01:24:16,209 --> 01:24:20,125
and I really missed it,
and one day I told my mom
1677
01:24:20,209 --> 01:24:22,125
that I really wanted
to do it again.
1678
01:24:22,209 --> 01:24:24,834
So, it's where I'm at now.
1679
01:24:24,918 --> 01:24:26,209
How does that look?
1680
01:24:26,292 --> 01:24:27,876
That looks good.
1681
01:24:27,959 --> 01:24:30,083
COACH: Okay. I mean, why don't
you try it? You try a couple.
1682
01:24:30,167 --> 01:24:32,167
-and then if it needs to be
moved, I'm happy to move it.
-ZERFAS: Okay.
1683
01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:33,626
-COACH: Does that work?
-ZERFAS: Yeah.
1684
01:24:33,709 --> 01:24:36,375
ZERFAS: I did feel
that I'm finally able
1685
01:24:36,459 --> 01:24:37,542
to start my life again
1686
01:24:37,626 --> 01:24:40,542
and not have to worry about him
1687
01:24:40,626 --> 01:24:43,375
ever doing anything
wrong again.
1688
01:24:46,334 --> 01:24:47,876
And being back, I...
1689
01:24:47,959 --> 01:24:52,125
I was able to build up
that confidence I once had,
1690
01:24:52,209 --> 01:24:57,250
and I'm just able
to do what I love.
1691
01:24:59,083 --> 01:25:01,500
♪ ("I'M STILL HERE"
BY SIA PLAYS) ♪
1692
01:25:02,584 --> 01:25:07,042
♪ I'm winning the war now ♪
1693
01:25:08,334 --> 01:25:12,459
♪ I'm winning it all now ♪
1694
01:25:13,792 --> 01:25:18,500
♪ Watch tears
While they fall down ♪
1695
01:25:19,542 --> 01:25:23,876
♪ I'm winning the war now ♪
1696
01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:30,626
♪ I win against ego ♪
1697
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:36,209
♪ Cast light
On the shadow's long ♪
1698
01:25:36,292 --> 01:25:41,959
♪ I'm winning from ego ♪
1699
01:25:42,042 --> 01:25:45,542
♪ I'm lighting
The long way home ♪
1700
01:25:45,626 --> 01:25:48,125
♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪
1701
01:25:48,209 --> 01:25:51,042
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1702
01:25:51,125 --> 01:25:53,667
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1703
01:25:53,751 --> 01:25:56,500
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1704
01:25:56,584 --> 01:25:59,250
♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪
1705
01:25:59,334 --> 01:26:02,167
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1706
01:26:02,250 --> 01:26:05,000
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1707
01:26:05,083 --> 01:26:07,834
♪ But the battle was lost ♪
1708
01:26:07,918 --> 01:26:09,667
♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪
1709
01:26:09,751 --> 01:26:11,083
♪ It's haunted me ♪
1710
01:26:11,167 --> 01:26:13,542
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1711
01:26:13,626 --> 01:26:16,334
♪ Oh, the past
It's haunted me ♪
1712
01:26:16,417 --> 01:26:19,167
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1713
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:21,918
♪ Oh, the past
It's haunted me ♪
1714
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,792
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1715
01:26:24,876 --> 01:26:27,584
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1716
01:26:27,667 --> 01:26:30,542
♪ But the battle was lost ♪
1717
01:26:30,626 --> 01:26:32,876
♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪
1718
01:26:32,959 --> 01:26:38,375
♪ I'm fighting my ego ♪
1719
01:26:38,459 --> 01:26:44,042
♪ Lost youth,
Where did we go wrong? ♪
1720
01:26:44,125 --> 01:26:49,667
♪ I'm winning for me, though ♪
1721
01:26:49,751 --> 01:26:55,626
♪ I'm lighting
The long way home ♪
1722
01:26:55,709 --> 01:26:58,626
♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪
1723
01:26:58,709 --> 01:27:01,542
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1724
01:27:01,626 --> 01:27:04,250
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1725
01:27:04,334 --> 01:27:07,167
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1726
01:27:07,250 --> 01:27:09,918
♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪
1727
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,876
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1728
01:27:12,959 --> 01:27:15,626
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1729
01:27:15,709 --> 01:27:18,417
♪ But the battle was lost ♪
1730
01:27:18,500 --> 01:27:20,083
♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪
1731
01:27:20,167 --> 01:27:21,500
♪ It's haunted me ♪
1732
01:27:21,584 --> 01:27:24,000
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1733
01:27:24,083 --> 01:27:26,667
♪ Oh, the past
It's haunted me ♪
1734
01:27:26,751 --> 01:27:29,709
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1735
01:27:29,792 --> 01:27:32,417
♪ Oh, the past
It's haunted me ♪
1736
01:27:32,500 --> 01:27:35,417
♪ Oh, the past
It wanted me dead ♪
1737
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:38,209
♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪
1738
01:27:38,292 --> 01:27:41,125
♪ But the battle was lost ♪
1739
01:27:41,209 --> 01:27:43,500
♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪
1740
01:27:49,042 --> 01:27:52,042
♪ (MUSIC PLAYS) ♪