1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,942 --> 00:00:11,077 - APS Films. 4 00:00:24,224 --> 00:00:25,925 - Savannah Chatham 911, 5 00:00:25,992 --> 00:00:27,627 what is you emergency? 6 00:00:27,694 --> 00:00:30,663 - This is 3131, Robertson Avenue, 7 00:00:30,730 --> 00:00:32,365 We just heard gunshots. 8 00:00:32,432 --> 00:00:34,167 - Where is it coming from? 9 00:00:34,234 --> 00:00:35,535 - In the area. 10 00:00:38,338 --> 00:00:40,440 - I just heard... 11 00:00:40,507 --> 00:00:44,377 I'm pretty sure it was abour five or six gunshots. 12 00:00:44,444 --> 00:00:46,413 I heard some screams too, 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,749 that's what made me go, "uh, oh". 14 00:00:49,816 --> 00:00:51,651 Two neighbors are shot. 15 00:00:51,718 --> 00:00:53,520 - Two neighbors are shot? 16 00:00:53,586 --> 00:00:55,522 - Yes, ma'am. They are not moving. 17 00:00:55,588 --> 00:00:58,358 Him and his girlfriend are laying on the porch right now, 18 00:00:58,425 --> 00:01:00,794 there's blood splatter everywhere. 19 00:01:01,728 --> 00:01:02,929 Oh, my Lord God. 20 00:01:03,763 --> 00:01:05,932 They're not moving, they're just shot, 21 00:01:05,999 --> 00:01:07,667 they're shot, dead. 22 00:01:13,940 --> 00:01:15,475 - I used to be able to watch the news 23 00:01:15,542 --> 00:01:17,210 like a normal person, 24 00:01:18,745 --> 00:01:22,182 but that changed when my family became the headline. 25 00:01:24,651 --> 00:01:27,821 My little sister, Alice, was murdered in 2013, 26 00:01:29,722 --> 00:01:31,324 and I've been trying to figure out how to live 27 00:01:31,391 --> 00:01:33,893 in this new reality ever since. 28 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:39,265 I'm constantly trying to find a balance 29 00:01:39,332 --> 00:01:41,968 between keeping too many memories around, 30 00:01:42,235 --> 00:01:43,603 which could be painful, 31 00:01:44,370 --> 00:01:45,672 and keeping too few around 32 00:01:45,738 --> 00:01:48,908 which makes me feel like I'm not honoring Alice properly. 33 00:01:50,810 --> 00:01:52,846 My children have stuffed animals passed down 34 00:01:52,912 --> 00:01:54,013 from their aunt, Alice, 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,649 although only my oldest ever got to meet her. 36 00:01:57,650 --> 00:01:59,686 My daughter's middle name is Alice, 37 00:02:01,754 --> 00:02:04,591 I even got a tattoo of Alice across my heart, 38 00:02:04,657 --> 00:02:07,894 and a sunflower, which was Alice's favorite flower. 39 00:02:08,962 --> 00:02:12,432 I've been reaching for anything to feel connected to Alice, 40 00:02:13,833 --> 00:02:16,669 I even bought a convertible like the one Alice had. 41 00:02:17,904 --> 00:02:22,909 It is some type of ridiculous, expensive, tribute to her, 42 00:02:24,911 --> 00:02:26,813 I'm ready to give up the car now. 43 00:02:30,016 --> 00:02:33,219 The money from the sale of the car will fund this film. 44 00:02:35,421 --> 00:02:38,358 This is a better way to keep her memory alive. 45 00:02:57,544 --> 00:02:58,678 - We are following 46 00:02:58,745 --> 00:03:01,147 a developing story right now out of Thunderbolt, 47 00:03:01,214 --> 00:03:04,317 an overnight shooting in which two people are dead. 48 00:03:04,384 --> 00:03:05,485 - That's right, Mike, 49 00:03:05,552 --> 00:03:07,120 if you can see those red stairs that lead up 50 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:09,956 to the black door, we're told that both of their bodies 51 00:03:10,023 --> 00:03:11,057 were found there. 52 00:03:11,124 --> 00:03:12,525 - Police have identified 27 year old, 53 00:03:12,592 --> 00:03:15,862 Forrest Ison, and 24 year old Alice Stevens. 54 00:03:15,929 --> 00:03:17,497 - 27 year-old Forrest Ison, 55 00:03:17,564 --> 00:03:19,532 and 24 year old Alice Stevens 56 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:21,701 shot outside their Robertson Avenue home. 57 00:03:21,768 --> 00:03:23,503 - One of the victims died on the scene 58 00:03:23,570 --> 00:03:25,838 the other died on the way to the hospital. 59 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,584 - Look at you sitting up, real fancy pants. 60 00:03:39,385 --> 00:03:40,386 Hi. 61 00:03:40,453 --> 00:03:43,623 - 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40. 62 00:03:49,329 --> 00:03:50,763 - All right. 63 00:03:50,830 --> 00:03:53,633 Sir, could you please come close to the window? 64 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:54,300 - Yes? 65 00:03:54,367 --> 00:03:55,568 - Welcome to Al Burger, 66 00:03:55,635 --> 00:03:57,870 would you like a for piece or a six piece? 67 00:03:57,937 --> 00:03:58,871 - Six piece. 68 00:03:58,938 --> 00:03:59,606 - Okay. 69 00:04:01,341 --> 00:04:02,575 Have a nice day, sir. 70 00:04:03,343 --> 00:04:04,377 Come back to see us soon. 71 00:04:08,681 --> 00:04:09,849 - I'll camp out down here. 72 00:04:09,916 --> 00:04:11,484 - All right, let's all lay down. 73 00:04:11,551 --> 00:04:13,886 - I'll camp out down here. 74 00:04:15,321 --> 00:04:18,057 - Well, we don't turn the light out. 75 00:04:18,124 --> 00:04:20,526 Look up, look at the stars. 76 00:04:22,862 --> 00:04:24,764 Although I don't wanna forget her, 77 00:04:24,831 --> 00:04:27,734 I also really don't wanna feel like this forever. 78 00:04:28,935 --> 00:04:31,271 I've decided to attack my feelings more head on. 79 00:04:33,573 --> 00:04:35,541 I'm gonna travel across the country, 80 00:04:35,608 --> 00:04:39,145 meeting some of the most important people from Alice's life. 81 00:04:39,212 --> 00:04:41,614 And hopefully I can gain a better understanding 82 00:04:41,681 --> 00:04:46,252 of who she was and how she could meet this kind of end, 83 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:48,521 and maybe even get some closure. 84 00:04:55,928 --> 00:04:58,231 - Carl's missing the best day. 85 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:00,633 - Eight, nine, 10. 86 00:05:00,700 --> 00:05:02,502 Everybody smile for the cameras. 87 00:05:03,636 --> 00:05:05,038 right there, and wave. 88 00:05:05,104 --> 00:05:05,738 - Hi. 89 00:05:05,805 --> 00:05:06,939 - Say, we're on TV, yay. 90 00:05:07,006 --> 00:05:08,608 - We're on TV. 91 00:05:11,978 --> 00:05:15,882 - I met Alice, I'd say she was around one or two. 92 00:05:15,948 --> 00:05:19,986 It was 1990, and I went up to Maine, up to Kennebunk 93 00:05:20,086 --> 00:05:24,457 and walked in the house to see this cute, little... 94 00:05:24,557 --> 00:05:26,125 I liked to call her Mowgli. 95 00:05:30,363 --> 00:05:33,099 - Beautiful, Alice. 96 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,372 - When I think of Alice, I think of an ethereal nymph. 97 00:05:39,739 --> 00:05:43,443 She would flit about from one thing to the next, 98 00:05:43,543 --> 00:05:47,246 and she was fantastic at so many things. 99 00:05:47,347 --> 00:05:50,283 It was almost as if she was leaving a trail of sparkle 100 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:51,284 wherever she went. 101 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:53,219 - Let's see what the maniac does. 102 00:05:53,286 --> 00:05:54,153 Hi, Alice. 103 00:05:59,726 --> 00:06:00,793 - It was a lot of fun, 104 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:03,696 Alice was caring, loving, 105 00:06:03,763 --> 00:06:06,466 she just always lit up the room when I was there. 106 00:06:06,532 --> 00:06:10,536 - When we came to visit, she was always playing with boys 107 00:06:10,603 --> 00:06:13,373 and she's just always just fun to be around. 108 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:16,442 I can't remember the exact time or place that we met, 109 00:06:16,509 --> 00:06:18,778 I just know that it was at Cheverus. 110 00:06:18,845 --> 00:06:22,949 And I remember I had a hard time when I first transferred, 111 00:06:23,049 --> 00:06:26,018 but as soon as I met Alice, my year got so much better. 112 00:06:26,953 --> 00:06:29,255 Alice and I got our belly buttons pierced together, 113 00:06:29,322 --> 00:06:31,858 and she was like, "Okay, first step is ask your mom, 114 00:06:31,924 --> 00:06:34,193 second step is, I'll talk you through the pain." 115 00:06:34,260 --> 00:06:37,096 Obviously I was definitely afraid and she was fearless, 116 00:06:37,163 --> 00:06:40,700 and I said, the only way I would do it is if she went first 117 00:06:40,767 --> 00:06:41,834 and if she documented it. 118 00:06:41,901 --> 00:06:44,303 So she brought her camera and took pictures 119 00:06:44,370 --> 00:06:46,005 of several steps along the way. 120 00:06:46,873 --> 00:06:48,941 That was Alice getting ready 121 00:06:49,008 --> 00:06:50,943 to get her belly button pierced. 122 00:06:51,010 --> 00:06:52,412 This was Alice standing up, 123 00:06:52,478 --> 00:06:54,480 right before he put the needle through her belly button. 124 00:06:54,547 --> 00:06:56,749 And this was as she was getting her belly button pierced, 125 00:06:56,816 --> 00:06:58,084 he was actually putting the needle in 126 00:06:58,151 --> 00:07:00,420 and I took a picture of her, just to get her reaction, 127 00:07:01,354 --> 00:07:02,755 to know if I should be afraid. 128 00:07:02,822 --> 00:07:05,091 That's me getting my belly button pierced, 129 00:07:05,391 --> 00:07:08,928 and that's me after I got it done, super proud of myself. 130 00:07:10,363 --> 00:07:11,798 And that's the end product 131 00:07:11,864 --> 00:07:14,100 of us getting our belly buttons pierced together. 132 00:07:14,167 --> 00:07:16,702 I still have mine, I will never take it out. 133 00:07:19,806 --> 00:07:22,675 She was very loving, she was very caring, 134 00:07:22,742 --> 00:07:25,011 she never wanted anyone to feel left out. 135 00:07:31,584 --> 00:07:35,054 - At first I thought Gramps had died, 136 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:37,657 so, I mean, I was definitely taken aback, 137 00:07:37,723 --> 00:07:40,259 but I kind of expected it over that time 138 00:07:40,326 --> 00:07:42,228 'cause he was getting very sick and all that. 139 00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:46,732 And then it hit me that she had died and it... 140 00:07:49,168 --> 00:07:51,637 It was a terrible feeling that day. 141 00:07:51,838 --> 00:07:53,072 - Maybe from my father, right? 142 00:07:53,206 --> 00:07:56,309 Our father, I'm pretty matter of fact, to the point, 143 00:07:56,509 --> 00:07:57,910 I like to understand things, 144 00:07:58,044 --> 00:08:01,781 I quickly do better when I'm trying to grasp and understand. 145 00:08:02,048 --> 00:08:04,650 Not that any death is explainable but, you know, 146 00:08:04,851 --> 00:08:07,820 an accidental death or my mother dying from cancer, 147 00:08:08,054 --> 00:08:09,222 you know, you kind of saw it co ming, 148 00:08:09,288 --> 00:08:12,258 while tragic, at least you had time to prepare. 149 00:08:12,325 --> 00:08:13,526 I mean, Alice was so young 150 00:08:13,593 --> 00:08:14,994 just getting started with her life, 151 00:08:15,061 --> 00:08:18,931 I needed to try to make some sense of what just happened. 152 00:08:27,473 --> 00:08:28,508 - They're ready? - They're ready. 153 00:08:28,574 --> 00:08:29,575 - Thank you very much. - Thank you. 154 00:08:29,642 --> 00:08:30,710 - Thanks. 155 00:08:31,777 --> 00:08:32,545 - Thank you. 156 00:08:32,612 --> 00:08:33,813 - Thank you. 157 00:08:40,853 --> 00:08:41,687 - How's it going? 158 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:44,557 It's hot out here. 159 00:08:44,624 --> 00:08:45,424 - This is Jenny. 160 00:08:45,491 --> 00:08:46,659 - Hi, Jenny. 161 00:08:46,726 --> 00:08:48,227 - Jenny's the one who helped me learn how to laugh again. 162 00:08:48,294 --> 00:08:49,095 - Oh, good. 163 00:08:50,062 --> 00:08:51,297 - You gotta get her picture. 164 00:08:51,364 --> 00:08:51,964 Could you get her picture? 165 00:08:52,031 --> 00:08:52,865 - Can you get her picture? 166 00:08:52,932 --> 00:08:54,066 - My friend, Jenny. 167 00:08:55,468 --> 00:08:56,335 - You still have her pictures? 168 00:08:56,402 --> 00:08:57,470 - Oh, you know I've got tons of pictures. 169 00:08:57,537 --> 00:08:59,038 - Oh, I know, yeah. 170 00:08:59,105 --> 00:09:00,540 - So I can retrieve anything that, you know? 171 00:09:00,606 --> 00:09:01,741 - Okay. 172 00:09:01,807 --> 00:09:03,175 - But the other thing is that is that I went down 173 00:09:03,242 --> 00:09:05,311 to this storage unit and I want you to see 174 00:09:05,378 --> 00:09:06,479 what I have to deal with. 175 00:09:06,546 --> 00:09:09,081 - Yeah, we'll go. Totally. 176 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:11,784 Hmm, all right. Well, we'll go by the beach 177 00:09:11,851 --> 00:09:12,985 and then we'll meet you in about an hour, okay? 178 00:09:13,052 --> 00:09:14,053 - Okay, you be careful, don't stay- 179 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,155 - I'm not gonna go outside, yeah. 180 00:09:18,157 --> 00:09:19,058 Bye, Jenny. 181 00:09:19,125 --> 00:09:20,560 Bye. 182 00:09:33,606 --> 00:09:35,274 - Have a good time tonight. 183 00:09:40,079 --> 00:09:43,783 Well, Alice, first of all was attached to my leg. 184 00:09:43,849 --> 00:09:44,817 Do you remember that? 185 00:09:45,785 --> 00:09:46,919 I used to teach Sunday school 186 00:09:46,986 --> 00:09:49,755 and she was attached to my leg, all the time. 187 00:09:54,493 --> 00:09:56,896 So this was one of Alice's gymnastics pictures, 188 00:09:56,963 --> 00:09:57,964 she was really little then. 189 00:09:58,030 --> 00:09:59,432 She was up at the Maine Academy then, 190 00:09:59,498 --> 00:10:04,203 so that must've been probably about third or fourth grade. 191 00:10:04,337 --> 00:10:06,539 It was funny, she didn't do exactly 192 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:07,773 what they said to do either, 193 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,775 so that was kinda hard for them. 194 00:10:09,842 --> 00:10:11,110 - What? In the photo, or? 195 00:10:11,177 --> 00:10:16,349 - Well, see her hand is kind of loose, 196 00:10:16,782 --> 00:10:18,851 the others are kind of really, you know? 197 00:10:18,918 --> 00:10:21,253 And they kept saying you've got spaghetti arms, 198 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,556 but she would never like really... 199 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:24,457 And of course the two of you. 200 00:10:24,523 --> 00:10:26,325 - But why is it cut? 201 00:10:26,392 --> 00:10:27,159 - I don't know 202 00:10:27,226 --> 00:10:29,629 - Why is it a broken heart? 203 00:10:29,695 --> 00:10:30,529 - I know. 204 00:10:30,596 --> 00:10:32,865 Well, isn't that appropriate? 205 00:10:33,599 --> 00:10:34,734 These are some of her clothes 206 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,435 that I haven't been able to deal with them, 207 00:10:36,502 --> 00:10:40,706 Alice did this for her graduation from high school. 208 00:10:41,774 --> 00:10:44,477 She always wore perfume which gave me an asthma attack 209 00:10:44,543 --> 00:10:46,078 every time I was around her. 210 00:10:46,979 --> 00:10:50,049 She loved her dad, she had that picture made. 211 00:10:50,116 --> 00:10:52,385 , I think, not even asking me about it. 212 00:10:53,285 --> 00:10:54,720 Well, no, that's from Maine actually, 213 00:10:54,820 --> 00:10:57,289 remember when she moved upstairs and had that room up there? 214 00:10:57,356 --> 00:10:58,724 - Yes. 215 00:10:58,791 --> 00:11:00,226 - So we had everything very colorful, 216 00:11:00,292 --> 00:11:04,163 and she wanted stars on the ceiling and... 217 00:11:05,297 --> 00:11:06,165 Yup. 218 00:11:10,936 --> 00:11:12,405 Oh, and then this was out at Phillips, 219 00:11:12,471 --> 00:11:15,574 that's rehearsal dinner and the wedding. 220 00:11:15,641 --> 00:11:16,809 Look at you in here, 221 00:11:17,810 --> 00:11:20,112 and Alice was so sweet, aw. 222 00:11:20,179 --> 00:11:23,416 And then these are just pictures that we took along the way, 223 00:11:23,482 --> 00:11:24,650 the Grand Canyon, 224 00:11:24,717 --> 00:11:26,986 and you were always holding her hand, you were always... 225 00:11:27,053 --> 00:11:29,989 And look at this, you always had your arm around her. 226 00:11:30,623 --> 00:11:33,759 She was always happy with you, I have to say. 227 00:11:40,332 --> 00:11:43,636 - Growing up, Alice and I were very, very close. 228 00:11:44,603 --> 00:11:46,505 I was very excited to have a little sister. 229 00:11:46,572 --> 00:11:47,907 and being an older brother, 230 00:11:47,973 --> 00:11:50,176 I wanted to be super hands-on in her life 231 00:11:50,242 --> 00:11:53,079 and I wanted to do things for her. 232 00:11:53,145 --> 00:11:54,947 I've heard stories about how Alice didn't learn 233 00:11:55,014 --> 00:11:56,816 to talk for a long time because she would talk 234 00:11:56,882 --> 00:11:58,851 in this gibberish and I would know what it was, 235 00:11:58,918 --> 00:12:00,686 and then I would just get whatever it was 236 00:12:00,753 --> 00:12:01,854 that she wanted for her, 237 00:12:01,921 --> 00:12:03,522 because I didn't want her to have to worry 238 00:12:03,589 --> 00:12:06,025 about learning English, I guess. 239 00:12:08,194 --> 00:12:10,463 My family used to spend summers on Islesboro, 240 00:12:10,529 --> 00:12:12,565 an Island off the coast of Maine, 241 00:12:12,631 --> 00:12:14,266 and we would bring friends and have fun, 242 00:12:14,333 --> 00:12:16,602 and that's where I have my fondest 243 00:12:16,669 --> 00:12:18,270 childhood memories with Alice. 244 00:12:21,407 --> 00:12:23,042 We went to school and we had a lot of friends 245 00:12:23,109 --> 00:12:24,677 but we were always there for each other. 246 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:27,079 We were always pretty much the only other person 247 00:12:27,146 --> 00:12:29,014 we felt like we could count on. 248 00:12:31,217 --> 00:12:34,487 - Well, this is Edwin, he's... 249 00:12:34,553 --> 00:12:36,489 Good one, Edwin, run! 250 00:12:38,991 --> 00:12:40,459 Okay, turn around this way. 251 00:12:41,527 --> 00:12:43,896 Give Edwin a hug and say, good job Edwin. 252 00:12:43,963 --> 00:12:46,165 - Good job, Edwin. 253 00:12:46,232 --> 00:12:48,100 - She used to journal, 254 00:12:48,167 --> 00:12:50,836 so that's something that she did when she was little. 255 00:12:51,570 --> 00:12:53,272 - Recently, my mother gave me access 256 00:12:53,339 --> 00:12:56,108 to Alice's old journals and letters. 257 00:12:56,175 --> 00:12:57,176 I finally feel like I'm ready 258 00:12:57,243 --> 00:12:59,345 to go through them for the first time. 259 00:13:07,653 --> 00:13:09,088 - Here's some random stuff about me 260 00:13:09,155 --> 00:13:11,423 I'd like you to know if you don't already. 261 00:13:12,792 --> 00:13:16,428 I was born in Bakersfield, California, to my mom who was 16 262 00:13:16,495 --> 00:13:17,897 and in high school. 263 00:13:17,963 --> 00:13:20,566 My dad was half black and my mom was 5'2, 264 00:13:20,633 --> 00:13:22,301 with blonde hair and blue eyes. 265 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:25,004 I was adopted immediately, 266 00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:26,939 and within a day I was on my way home 267 00:13:27,006 --> 00:13:28,574 in an old station in Maine, 268 00:13:28,641 --> 00:13:31,377 with my brother Ed, who you'll be hearing a lot about, 269 00:13:31,443 --> 00:13:32,411 and my parents. 270 00:13:33,379 --> 00:13:37,383 I have three older brothers, Ed is 19, Mark is 35, 271 00:13:37,449 --> 00:13:40,286 and Phillip would have been 42 this year. 272 00:13:40,352 --> 00:13:41,921 Phillip was the only one of my brothers 273 00:13:41,987 --> 00:13:43,389 who experimented with drugs, 274 00:13:43,455 --> 00:13:45,591 he then became an alcoholic and killed himself 275 00:13:45,658 --> 00:13:48,360 two months after his second marriage, last July. 276 00:13:50,196 --> 00:13:53,098 My father used to smoke cigarettes for years, 277 00:13:53,165 --> 00:13:55,501 he survived two different types of cancer; 278 00:13:55,568 --> 00:13:57,636 One in his tongue and one in a nerve 279 00:13:57,703 --> 00:13:59,839 on the right side of his face. 280 00:13:59,905 --> 00:14:01,040 He's had plastic surgery 281 00:14:01,106 --> 00:14:03,409 to make his face look as normal as possible, 282 00:14:03,475 --> 00:14:06,245 yet there's only so much they could fix. 283 00:14:06,312 --> 00:14:08,414 The most amazing thing I've ever heard, 284 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:09,949 was that before he went into his surgery 285 00:14:10,015 --> 00:14:13,786 he told the doctor, "I don't care about what I look like 286 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:16,655 or how much people stare, all I want you to do 287 00:14:17,122 --> 00:14:19,658 is to assure me I'll be at my kids' graduations" 288 00:14:25,564 --> 00:14:28,000 - What about studies? Was she studious? 289 00:14:28,067 --> 00:14:29,235 Was she bright? 290 00:14:30,536 --> 00:14:32,838 - You know, I don't really remember her 291 00:14:32,905 --> 00:14:35,474 ever doing homework or studying, 292 00:14:36,308 --> 00:14:38,844 I feel like she was always just having a good time. 293 00:14:38,911 --> 00:14:40,579 - Well, I think in ninth grade we started worrying 294 00:14:40,646 --> 00:14:46,018 about her pranks, which weren't so good. 295 00:14:46,585 --> 00:14:47,286 - And then that's- 296 00:14:47,353 --> 00:14:48,587 - Like what? 297 00:14:48,654 --> 00:14:53,492 - Well, you know, skipping mass to go get a manicure. 298 00:14:54,126 --> 00:14:55,861 Did Audrey tell you about that? 299 00:14:55,928 --> 00:14:56,962 See? 300 00:14:57,329 --> 00:14:59,431 And then she was acting really nasty 301 00:14:59,498 --> 00:15:01,734 if she didn't get her way about things, 302 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,571 and she really, you know, felt that she needed new clothes, 303 00:15:05,638 --> 00:15:07,840 and she was talking about the car she was gonna get, 304 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:10,976 and it was just kind of really getting out of control. 305 00:15:11,043 --> 00:15:12,011 - When you say nasty, 306 00:15:12,077 --> 00:15:13,946 what kind of things would she say? 307 00:15:14,013 --> 00:15:18,751 - She calls me a fucking biatch, okay? 308 00:15:19,952 --> 00:15:21,020 Okay? 309 00:15:22,788 --> 00:15:24,623 I think Phillip's suicide, 310 00:15:24,690 --> 00:15:28,427 and I think Penn's cancer really, very deeply affected her, 311 00:15:28,494 --> 00:15:33,499 and I think she realized that she wanted to have fun. 312 00:15:33,699 --> 00:15:35,534 So we got really worried about that, 313 00:15:35,601 --> 00:15:37,269 that she was gonna get into trouble. 314 00:15:37,336 --> 00:15:39,338 So I was seeing a therapist 315 00:15:39,405 --> 00:15:41,607 to try to see what can I do for Alice? 316 00:15:41,674 --> 00:15:43,776 Well, she said, well, "Maybe Alice will talk to me." 317 00:15:43,842 --> 00:15:46,278 So we made an agreement that Alice was gonna go 318 00:15:46,345 --> 00:15:51,317 talk to this person for three or four sessions, okay? 319 00:15:51,617 --> 00:15:53,986 Alice got in there and didn't say a word, 320 00:15:54,053 --> 00:15:57,356 so I paid $125 for Alice to go three or four weeks 321 00:15:57,423 --> 00:15:58,891 and not say a word. 322 00:16:05,764 --> 00:16:08,267 We had told her that if she could get a job 323 00:16:08,334 --> 00:16:11,403 and get into one of her sports, she wouldn't have to go, 324 00:16:12,204 --> 00:16:14,306 and she just thought we were kidding. 325 00:16:16,008 --> 00:16:17,042 She picked out a big rock, 326 00:16:17,109 --> 00:16:18,877 I don't know if you picked out your own rock or what, 327 00:16:18,944 --> 00:16:20,412 but she had this big, heavy rock 328 00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:23,782 that she had to carry around with her all the time. 329 00:16:23,849 --> 00:16:25,884 And on there were the burdens that you were carrying 330 00:16:25,951 --> 00:16:28,554 with you and you were trying to work through. 331 00:16:31,757 --> 00:16:33,726 - I really hate that rock. 332 00:16:35,627 --> 00:16:38,163 I imagine myself hiking up a huge mountain 333 00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:40,299 and at the top having a revelation, 334 00:16:40,366 --> 00:16:41,667 and throwing Muffin off to a place 335 00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:43,669 that I would never see him again. 336 00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:46,939 But that moment never came. 337 00:16:47,706 --> 00:16:50,609 Muffin actually came home with me on September 4th. 338 00:16:51,877 --> 00:16:54,947 I guess I realized that although I know what needs to happen 339 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:56,482 to get rid of muffin, 340 00:16:56,548 --> 00:16:59,485 I wasn't completely capable of doing those things yet. 341 00:17:17,703 --> 00:17:19,705 - Here's some of her baby clothes. 342 00:17:19,772 --> 00:17:22,441 This is the first outfit she had coming home 343 00:17:22,541 --> 00:17:24,843 from the hospital, that size. 344 00:17:25,677 --> 00:17:27,046 We thought she was gonna be very tiny 345 00:17:27,112 --> 00:17:29,481 'cause the mother was tiny, and here she was two weeks late, 346 00:17:29,548 --> 00:17:32,151 so she was eight pounds, 14 ounces. 347 00:17:35,454 --> 00:17:38,323 Alice Stevens, 9/2/89. 348 00:17:40,292 --> 00:17:44,963 A little knick-knacks, baby pillow. 349 00:17:45,097 --> 00:17:47,833 - The only person she ever dismissed was her mom. 350 00:17:48,767 --> 00:17:50,836 I think she fought with her mother 351 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:53,172 more than the typical teenage girl 352 00:17:53,238 --> 00:17:54,406 would fight with her mother. 353 00:17:54,473 --> 00:17:57,509 I don't really know where the anger came from. 354 00:17:58,544 --> 00:17:59,978 From what I could tell, Dorothy, you know, 355 00:18:00,045 --> 00:18:02,581 she's a great mom, was and is. 356 00:18:03,382 --> 00:18:04,817 She, you know, always wanted to make sure 357 00:18:04,883 --> 00:18:06,819 that Alice was happy and taken care of her, 358 00:18:06,885 --> 00:18:10,055 so I don't really know why it was strained, 359 00:18:10,122 --> 00:18:13,225 why there was issues. 360 00:18:13,292 --> 00:18:15,027 - Look at this, she had it a little wrong. 361 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:17,429 This is daddy, daddy starts with E. 362 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:25,637 - Dorothy loved Alice beyond measure, 363 00:18:25,704 --> 00:18:29,241 she would do anything for that girl. 364 00:18:30,142 --> 00:18:32,778 And Alice loved Dorothy 365 00:18:32,845 --> 00:18:38,016 and just wanted to be all of the things she perceived, 366 00:18:38,517 --> 00:18:40,252 Dorothy wanting her to be. 367 00:18:40,986 --> 00:18:42,221 And so they were both setting 368 00:18:42,287 --> 00:18:45,324 their own impossible standards to meet, 369 00:18:45,390 --> 00:18:47,593 not realizing that if they just stripped 370 00:18:47,659 --> 00:18:51,130 all the rest of it away, they loved each other 371 00:18:51,196 --> 00:18:52,764 and were enough for each other already. 372 00:18:52,831 --> 00:18:55,567 - A couple more of Alice's paintings 373 00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:57,903 that I think she was just having fun with, 374 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:02,407 but I can't give them away, 375 00:19:04,209 --> 00:19:05,310 or throw them out. 376 00:19:06,945 --> 00:19:07,813 Oops. 377 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,449 Some more of her trying to be organized. 378 00:19:14,052 --> 00:19:15,554 Somebody gave her this. 379 00:19:53,625 --> 00:19:58,030 - I met him freshman year of high school. 380 00:19:58,096 --> 00:20:01,600 There was this girl in my art class, freshman year, 381 00:20:01,667 --> 00:20:03,802 who had a huge crush on him, 382 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:06,405 and so she talked about him a lot. 383 00:20:06,471 --> 00:20:09,875 And I remember her being very upset 384 00:20:11,677 --> 00:20:14,780 and she said that he liked me. 385 00:20:16,081 --> 00:20:20,352 It's funny 'cause, after, him and I dated the first time. 386 00:20:20,419 --> 00:20:23,322 My sister would always make comments 387 00:20:23,388 --> 00:20:26,124 about, "You should get back with Ed, 388 00:20:26,191 --> 00:20:27,159 you should get back with ed. 389 00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:30,195 Remember Ed? Remember when you used to date Ed?" 390 00:20:30,596 --> 00:20:32,831 And I would always get so annoyed. 391 00:20:33,765 --> 00:20:34,933 I'd be like, "Yeah, I know. 392 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,770 I know he was the best guy ever, and I let him go. 393 00:20:38,837 --> 00:20:41,039 I know you're rubbing it in my face." 394 00:20:41,106 --> 00:20:43,609 And then when Ed and I started talking again, 395 00:20:43,675 --> 00:20:47,279 she was like, "See, I told you, I told you." 396 00:20:48,747 --> 00:20:52,184 So Ed went apartment searching for us 397 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,719 while I was still in Maine, 398 00:20:53,785 --> 00:20:57,556 and he sent me this super adorable video 399 00:20:57,623 --> 00:21:00,392 of him touring the apartment. 400 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,761 It was really nice. 401 00:21:04,796 --> 00:21:07,799 When we finally settled on this house, 402 00:21:07,866 --> 00:21:10,235 we were both on the same page, we both had the same vision, 403 00:21:10,302 --> 00:21:14,539 like we just... We could see ourselves here together. 404 00:21:16,041 --> 00:21:18,043 - My soon to be wife at that time, and I, 405 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:22,381 had just bought a house in LA and we were very excited, 406 00:21:22,447 --> 00:21:24,616 and I had agreed to help my old roommate move out 407 00:21:24,683 --> 00:21:26,918 of his apartment. 408 00:21:26,985 --> 00:21:29,888 So we go to get the U-Haul, I'm already kind of stressed out 409 00:21:29,955 --> 00:21:31,256 'cause of getting married at the end of the week, 410 00:21:31,323 --> 00:21:34,459 we have a kid on the way, we're moving into the new house, 411 00:21:34,593 --> 00:21:36,628 but I had agreed to help her move, 412 00:21:36,728 --> 00:21:39,665 so I felt like it was only fair to fall through in it. 413 00:21:40,499 --> 00:21:42,134 And Ceci calls me. 414 00:21:42,234 --> 00:21:46,805 - Ed's mom had called me, like all in a panic, 415 00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:50,709 and she was like, "Well, I need to get ahold of him, 416 00:21:50,842 --> 00:21:54,713 I have something to tell him, I need to talk to him," 417 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,214 but she wouldn't tell me anything. 418 00:21:56,315 --> 00:22:01,386 And so I told her that I would call him and let him know. 419 00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:05,891 - And she says, "I just got a call from your mom, 420 00:22:06,591 --> 00:22:08,994 she seems really stressed out. 421 00:22:09,995 --> 00:22:13,465 And I wonder if you should try to get ahold of her." 422 00:22:13,532 --> 00:22:15,067 So I finally get ahold of her 423 00:22:15,133 --> 00:22:17,703 when we're at Nate's storage unit moving out, 424 00:22:17,769 --> 00:22:19,638 and she tells me. 425 00:22:21,773 --> 00:22:26,011 She said that Alice is dead. 426 00:22:27,045 --> 00:22:28,413 - The phone rings, and I see it's Mimi, 427 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,048 and you could just tell. 428 00:22:30,115 --> 00:22:31,850 There was a pause, and there was sobbing, 429 00:22:31,917 --> 00:22:34,219 and there was, you know, right out with it, 430 00:22:34,286 --> 00:22:35,721 just Alice is dead. 431 00:22:35,787 --> 00:22:38,256 And, you know, I got weak in the knees, 432 00:22:38,323 --> 00:22:41,126 I kind of went down to my knees on the table, 433 00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:42,427 and I was like... 434 00:22:42,494 --> 00:22:45,697 And I was just trying to say, you know, like what happened, 435 00:22:45,764 --> 00:22:47,766 and then she said she was murdered. 436 00:22:49,167 --> 00:22:51,636 You know, we didn't have a lot of details, 437 00:22:51,703 --> 00:22:54,473 but she did mention Chief Bob Merriman. 438 00:22:56,007 --> 00:22:58,143 - I got the call at my residence, 439 00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:01,012 I responded to Robertson Avenue. 440 00:23:03,448 --> 00:23:05,584 We interviewed the neighbors, 441 00:23:05,650 --> 00:23:07,085 it was called a canvas. 442 00:23:07,152 --> 00:23:12,324 So we canvassed the neighborhood up and down, 443 00:23:12,991 --> 00:23:15,494 not only Robertson, but Casino, Gilbert, 444 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,062 all the streets surrounding that area. 445 00:23:17,129 --> 00:23:20,832 - I remember I said to him, you know, how can I help? 446 00:23:20,899 --> 00:23:23,702 Like I just wanna understand, and how can I help? 447 00:23:24,269 --> 00:23:27,672 And he basically said, "You need to get here tomorrow." 448 00:23:29,007 --> 00:23:30,208 I found my way over to Thunderbolt, 449 00:23:30,275 --> 00:23:32,811 and I met Chief Merriman for the first time, 450 00:23:32,878 --> 00:23:35,213 you know, got a little bit of a debrief from him. 451 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,350 Two people shot at point blank range, 452 00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:40,385 it was a gruesome scene. 453 00:23:40,452 --> 00:23:42,854 But he definitely spent a lot of time 454 00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:45,957 getting me mentally prepared to walk into that house. 455 00:23:48,693 --> 00:23:50,929 - It was a house like I would expect, 456 00:23:50,996 --> 00:23:53,432 it was a little Southern bungalow. 457 00:23:54,599 --> 00:24:00,005 We went inside, and the first thing I noticed was the smell. 458 00:24:00,605 --> 00:24:02,040 - I mean, it was terrible. 459 00:24:03,041 --> 00:24:07,078 I mean, what we saw there was awful. 460 00:24:07,913 --> 00:24:10,382 - What was it like? 461 00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:11,850 - Do you really wanna know. 462 00:24:11,917 --> 00:24:16,888 - There was shit, literally animal shit on everything, 463 00:24:17,322 --> 00:24:21,560 everything, the bed, the blanket, the pillows, 464 00:24:21,660 --> 00:24:23,128 the sofa, everything. 465 00:24:23,195 --> 00:24:28,400 And some of it was very old, not a day old, not a week old, 466 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,435 like a month old. 467 00:24:30,502 --> 00:24:32,070 - And Alice always loved animals, 468 00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:35,574 so it didn't surprise me that she would have animals, 469 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,509 but the smell told me 470 00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:41,046 that they weren't necessarily cared for very well. 471 00:24:41,112 --> 00:24:43,915 - That's what Merriman was really reacting to. 472 00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:46,918 I mean, this outside scene was gruesome, 473 00:24:46,985 --> 00:24:49,821 but he started to understand who Alice was, right? 474 00:24:49,888 --> 00:24:52,557 He understood her background, who she came from, 475 00:24:52,624 --> 00:24:53,959 you know, the family. 476 00:24:54,025 --> 00:24:58,897 And he was like, I can't fathom how they live like this. 477 00:25:00,298 --> 00:25:03,869 - I don't know what that cleared up for me 478 00:25:03,935 --> 00:25:07,606 except that the picture that I had in my head 479 00:25:07,672 --> 00:25:08,874 of the life Alice was living 480 00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:11,109 was not the same as the reality. 481 00:25:21,486 --> 00:25:22,621 - They built it for the person 482 00:25:22,687 --> 00:25:25,056 who doesn't like the traditional school 483 00:25:25,123 --> 00:25:27,759 and is not living up to their potential, 484 00:25:27,826 --> 00:25:30,495 and they got a lot of kids who came there 485 00:25:30,562 --> 00:25:33,765 with behavior or drug problems. 486 00:25:33,832 --> 00:25:35,700 And Alice was very offended 487 00:25:35,767 --> 00:25:38,303 that we put her into that situation, 488 00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:40,939 because she hadn't done that at that time. 489 00:25:42,841 --> 00:25:45,043 - She butted heads with her mom, 490 00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:46,945 and I think she thought she was going home 491 00:25:47,012 --> 00:25:48,613 after the wilderness program, 492 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,650 and I think that festered into a lot of resentment. 493 00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:53,285 'Cause I think she had a different idea 494 00:25:53,351 --> 00:25:54,686 coming out of the wilderness program; 495 00:25:54,753 --> 00:25:56,087 If she did X, Y, Z, 496 00:25:56,154 --> 00:25:58,290 then she was gonna be able to go home. 497 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,497 - She dated someone there, at Oliverian, 498 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:08,700 that probably had done some things 499 00:26:08,767 --> 00:26:12,203 that she could never imagine doing, 500 00:26:12,270 --> 00:26:15,774 but she really saw the good in that person. 501 00:26:17,976 --> 00:26:19,511 - She seemed happy at the Oliverian school, 502 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:21,479 but then she would say, "Well, I'm just gonna learn 503 00:26:21,546 --> 00:26:24,583 all the things that these other people are doing here, 504 00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:25,850 all the bad stuff they do, 505 00:26:25,917 --> 00:26:29,120 so I'm just learning more of that than anything." 506 00:26:29,955 --> 00:26:32,257 Whether the Oliverian school helped or hurt her, 507 00:26:32,324 --> 00:26:33,191 I don't know. 508 00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:46,905 - She got accepted at the University of Denver, 509 00:26:46,972 --> 00:26:50,709 she got accepted at University Of Loyola, in Chicago, 510 00:26:50,775 --> 00:26:53,778 she really got accepted at good schools. 511 00:26:55,313 --> 00:26:57,882 She went to High Point because the boyfriend 512 00:26:57,949 --> 00:26:59,184 got accepted there. 513 00:27:00,785 --> 00:27:03,922 - The first time I met Alice was that High Point University. 514 00:27:03,989 --> 00:27:05,624 We were freshman year roommates, 515 00:27:05,824 --> 00:27:07,592 so I walked into her freshman year dorm room 516 00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:10,895 and I just remember thinking that she is so gorgeous. 517 00:27:10,962 --> 00:27:13,131 This girl is drop dead gorgeous. 518 00:27:13,198 --> 00:27:14,332 - We met the first night, 519 00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:15,867 because we were all out in the hall, 520 00:27:15,934 --> 00:27:17,902 but then we got a little bit closer 521 00:27:17,969 --> 00:27:19,771 when it came to like going to the cafe, 522 00:27:19,838 --> 00:27:21,339 and just being around each other. 523 00:27:21,406 --> 00:27:25,143 - I went on a camping trip, and I was the only one 524 00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:26,177 out of her friends going on this camping trip. 525 00:27:26,244 --> 00:27:29,481 And I like opened my bag in front of the instructor, 526 00:27:29,614 --> 00:27:33,084 and Alice had left me a note in a giant black dildo, 527 00:27:33,251 --> 00:27:35,687 on top of all of my things. 528 00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:38,456 - Balls, that's what we called her. 529 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:40,525 'Cause the girl had balls. 530 00:27:41,259 --> 00:27:44,062 She was always there, like we stuck together, 531 00:27:44,195 --> 00:27:47,399 and she didn't care enough to worry 532 00:27:47,532 --> 00:27:48,800 about what you thought of her, 533 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,102 she was just giving you who she is. 534 00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:53,004 She always wanted everybody to be happy, 535 00:27:53,071 --> 00:27:54,806 and she would do anything to make you happy, 536 00:27:54,873 --> 00:27:56,441 whether it was bringing in your favorite candy 537 00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:59,844 or just wanting to go for a ride or listen to music. 538 00:28:07,352 --> 00:28:10,722 - Did you know her when she was dating Dan? 539 00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:12,023 - Yes. 540 00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:12,724 - Do you know about that whole thing? 541 00:28:12,791 --> 00:28:13,958 What happened there? 542 00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:17,195 - So, I actually got a lot of those phone calls. 543 00:28:17,262 --> 00:28:19,130 Sometimes they would argue in front of people 544 00:28:19,197 --> 00:28:21,366 and then he would get a little violent, 545 00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:24,369 and me being the fake bad-ass that I was, 546 00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:26,004 I kept a bat in my car. 547 00:28:26,071 --> 00:28:27,439 And so I would go over there, 548 00:28:27,505 --> 00:28:29,708 and I think it happened three times that I went over there 549 00:28:29,774 --> 00:28:32,577 and finally I had to sit down with her one-on-one and say, 550 00:28:32,644 --> 00:28:37,082 "Listen, I'm not gonna hit him, I just wanna scare him. 551 00:28:37,148 --> 00:28:39,551 But if you keep coming over here, 552 00:28:39,617 --> 00:28:41,619 it's letting me know that you really don't care 553 00:28:41,686 --> 00:28:43,154 what happens next." 554 00:28:43,988 --> 00:28:45,857 It was a tainted relationship 555 00:28:45,924 --> 00:28:47,692 that she definitely needed to get out of, 556 00:28:47,792 --> 00:28:48,960 but it just ended up working out 557 00:28:49,027 --> 00:28:50,128 that he got kicked out of school 558 00:28:50,195 --> 00:28:53,098 and that was pretty much their last draw. 559 00:28:53,164 --> 00:28:55,300 - I don't think Alice wanted to admit it, 560 00:28:55,366 --> 00:28:57,535 that these were abusive relationships, 561 00:28:57,602 --> 00:29:00,638 and even when she was dating a really good guy 562 00:29:00,705 --> 00:29:04,476 she would make it become like an abusive relationship. 563 00:29:04,542 --> 00:29:06,244 - Why? How? 564 00:29:06,311 --> 00:29:08,046 - So I think she would initiate a lot of fights 565 00:29:08,113 --> 00:29:10,949 and try to like physically like push them. 566 00:29:11,015 --> 00:29:13,151 Then when Forrest came into the picture, 567 00:29:13,218 --> 00:29:15,453 this bad boy, you know? 568 00:29:15,553 --> 00:29:18,423 So that's kinda what changed that. 569 00:29:20,391 --> 00:29:24,162 She saw this fun, rebellious, attitude, older guy, 570 00:29:24,229 --> 00:29:27,065 so, yeah, she was drawn to that. 571 00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:35,507 Alice was a waitress at a restaurant in High Point 572 00:29:35,573 --> 00:29:37,642 and Forrest was one of the chefs there, 573 00:29:37,709 --> 00:29:40,812 and I do remember the first few weeks of them meeting. 574 00:29:42,013 --> 00:29:45,016 He was a nice enough guy, but it's just something about him, 575 00:29:45,083 --> 00:29:46,851 made us not really love 576 00:29:46,918 --> 00:29:49,020 that that was the influence on Alice. 577 00:29:52,924 --> 00:29:55,693 - I think she felt like he really loved her, 578 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,296 and she felt that he loved her unconditionally, 579 00:29:58,363 --> 00:30:01,366 and I don't think she ever really believed that before. 580 00:30:17,081 --> 00:30:18,016 - And then once she dropped out 581 00:30:18,082 --> 00:30:19,150 of High Point University 582 00:30:19,217 --> 00:30:21,619 we kind of started seeing her less as well. 583 00:30:21,686 --> 00:30:25,590 I think that's when Forrest really came into her life. 584 00:30:33,198 --> 00:30:35,099 - I know they were in love, 585 00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:40,205 and I think we can confidently say 586 00:30:40,405 --> 00:30:42,540 that she was the one for him. 587 00:30:42,607 --> 00:30:43,408 - Yeah. 588 00:30:43,474 --> 00:30:46,077 - Just by the way... You could tell. 589 00:30:47,378 --> 00:30:48,880 The smile that he carried 590 00:30:48,947 --> 00:30:51,850 and, you know, things of that nature. 591 00:30:51,916 --> 00:30:54,485 - And at first Forrest said he didn't want to be involved 592 00:30:54,552 --> 00:30:58,323 with anybody because he was concentrating on his career. 593 00:30:58,389 --> 00:31:03,461 But then he... They got together. 594 00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:08,433 - So Alice was trying to regroup, 595 00:31:08,499 --> 00:31:09,634 and she's like, well what do I like to do? 596 00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:11,369 I think I like photography. 597 00:31:11,436 --> 00:31:13,071 At that point, I think my parents were like, 598 00:31:13,137 --> 00:31:14,772 oh my God, thank God, she has an interest 599 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,977 that she wants to pursue, just go to photography school. 600 00:31:19,077 --> 00:31:20,511 So Alice got accepted into SCAD, 601 00:31:20,578 --> 00:31:23,214 the Savannah College of Art and Design, 602 00:31:23,281 --> 00:31:25,750 and he moved to Savannah with her. 603 00:31:25,817 --> 00:31:27,185 I guess they were close enough at that point 604 00:31:27,252 --> 00:31:29,387 that they didn't wanna be apart. 605 00:31:30,788 --> 00:31:32,290 - SCAD was too much for her, 606 00:31:32,457 --> 00:31:34,525 because those kids they were serious, 607 00:31:34,592 --> 00:31:38,062 they had been developing their art for a long time 608 00:31:38,129 --> 00:31:39,631 and Alice could have. 609 00:31:39,697 --> 00:31:41,733 She could have but she didn't want 610 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:43,735 to expend the energy on it. 611 00:31:43,801 --> 00:31:47,639 - And she called me and she said, "I missed my first class." 612 00:31:48,806 --> 00:31:51,175 I'm like, how do you do that? 613 00:31:51,242 --> 00:31:53,344 And you know, she... 614 00:31:54,412 --> 00:31:58,182 Obviously, I mean, things happened and she lost her key 615 00:31:58,249 --> 00:31:59,784 and couldn't get there, and- 616 00:31:59,851 --> 00:32:01,019 - Ran out of gas or something. 617 00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:02,120 - Ran out of... yeah. 618 00:32:02,186 --> 00:32:03,721 No, I think she was at the gas station 619 00:32:03,788 --> 00:32:05,356 'cause she was getting something to drink, 620 00:32:05,423 --> 00:32:09,060 and her key broke and she couldn't start the car. 621 00:32:09,127 --> 00:32:12,297 And then the professor said, you know, 622 00:32:12,363 --> 00:32:14,666 get out of my class, and that was it. 623 00:32:14,732 --> 00:32:18,169 And I think she decided then and there 624 00:32:18,236 --> 00:32:20,571 that that wasn't gonna happen. 625 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,708 - She was struggling 626 00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:27,045 but we all struggle at some point in life. 627 00:32:29,247 --> 00:32:30,682 I wonder what would've happened 628 00:32:30,815 --> 00:32:33,451 if she were given the opportunity to get out of her rut. 629 00:32:37,221 --> 00:32:40,558 Why did she trust people that didn't deserve to be trusted? 630 00:32:41,426 --> 00:32:43,594 Why did she give people so many chances 631 00:32:43,661 --> 00:32:45,196 to earn her trust back? 632 00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:48,266 And why on earth was she hanging out 633 00:32:48,333 --> 00:32:51,002 with people who had severe criminal records? 634 00:32:52,437 --> 00:32:54,038 These questions haunt me. 635 00:32:55,573 --> 00:32:58,209 - It hurt, primarily because I felt 636 00:32:58,276 --> 00:32:59,210 like I didn't talk to her, 637 00:32:59,277 --> 00:32:59,811 and it never would have happened. 638 00:32:59,877 --> 00:33:00,745 There was all of those whys of what happened. 639 00:33:02,013 --> 00:33:05,550 - A homicide, you know, that's something serious, 640 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:07,051 so I had really thought they had started hanging out 641 00:33:07,151 --> 00:33:09,754 with the wrong people and gotten wrapped up in drugs, 642 00:33:09,921 --> 00:33:11,322 someone owed someone money, I don't know. 643 00:33:11,422 --> 00:33:13,358 - The Chief obviously had some theories; 644 00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:14,325 Was there something people were trying 645 00:33:14,392 --> 00:33:15,259 to get in the house? 646 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,027 Were they trying to be robbed? 647 00:33:16,094 --> 00:33:16,894 Did they have money? 648 00:33:16,961 --> 00:33:17,895 Did they have drugs? 649 00:33:17,962 --> 00:33:19,263 All those types of theories, 650 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:21,599 he was putting out there on the table. 651 00:33:23,768 --> 00:33:25,670 - It was a crime that stunned Thunderbolt, 652 00:33:25,737 --> 00:33:28,206 a couple found shot to death in their home. 653 00:33:28,272 --> 00:33:30,742 Well, tonight police say they know who did it. 654 00:33:30,808 --> 00:33:32,577 - Those men are Nathaniel Wilkins 655 00:33:32,643 --> 00:33:36,180 and Michael Jones, both are charged with malice murder. 656 00:33:36,247 --> 00:33:37,281 - The big question here though, 657 00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:40,184 why would this couple be gunned down? 658 00:33:54,966 --> 00:33:57,468 - Nate got his sister to drive, 659 00:33:57,535 --> 00:34:00,671 who was Mike Jones girlfriend at the time, Tracy Wilkins. 660 00:34:00,738 --> 00:34:04,208 Tracy was driving, Nate and Mike followed them, 661 00:34:04,275 --> 00:34:05,510 they were at that convenience store 662 00:34:05,576 --> 00:34:08,012 right around the corner from the house by the school, 663 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:09,313 they have them on videotape there. 664 00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:11,449 They have Forrest and Alice there, coming back, 665 00:34:11,582 --> 00:34:14,819 had a fun night out, and within 10 minutes after that 666 00:34:14,886 --> 00:34:16,821 they have the 911 call. 667 00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:23,261 They left getting gas, they drove down the road, 668 00:34:23,327 --> 00:34:24,395 they pulled up to the house, 669 00:34:24,462 --> 00:34:26,397 they were going inside for the night, 670 00:34:26,464 --> 00:34:28,933 and that's when they believe that Tracy pulled up, 671 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,337 Mike and Nate got out of the car, at some point they shot. 672 00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:35,173 And then one of the neighbors told us 673 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,275 that they heard Alice scream. 674 00:34:40,278 --> 00:34:41,446 The story started to unwind 675 00:34:41,512 --> 00:34:44,749 that Nate was a dishwasher at the restaurant, 676 00:34:44,816 --> 00:34:47,151 and Forrest and Nate got into it a few times 677 00:34:47,218 --> 00:34:50,421 at the restaurant, I guess at some point he fired Nate, 678 00:34:50,488 --> 00:34:52,824 and Nate felt disrespected. 679 00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:54,092 That was what he believed 680 00:34:54,158 --> 00:34:55,493 the whole motive of this crime was, 681 00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,098 was that Nate Wilkins was disrespected and pissed off, 682 00:35:00,164 --> 00:35:01,599 because Forrest fired him. 683 00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:09,941 There's no trace to Alice being involved in this, right? 684 00:35:10,007 --> 00:35:12,410 I mean, that's probably the most tragic part 685 00:35:12,477 --> 00:35:16,647 from where I sit, is that it was her boyfriend, 686 00:35:16,714 --> 00:35:18,349 she was just coming home, right? 687 00:35:18,416 --> 00:35:20,952 I mean, just think if she got sick that night 688 00:35:21,018 --> 00:35:23,921 or didn't go out, or went somewhere else, 689 00:35:23,988 --> 00:35:25,156 I mean, is she alive? 690 00:35:25,223 --> 00:35:28,426 - I didn't even know she was in Savannah until like a year 691 00:35:28,493 --> 00:35:29,961 before she passed away, 692 00:35:30,728 --> 00:35:33,397 correction, a year before she was murdered. 693 00:35:33,698 --> 00:35:36,367 And I totally regret not spending time with her, you know 694 00:35:36,434 --> 00:35:37,902 not reconnecting, not seeing her, 695 00:35:37,969 --> 00:35:42,206 and I always wonder if it would have made a difference. 696 00:35:43,174 --> 00:35:44,909 If somehow, you know, 697 00:35:47,678 --> 00:35:49,180 I don't know, maybe they wouldn't have been home 698 00:35:49,247 --> 00:35:52,650 if something else was... 699 00:35:54,585 --> 00:35:55,453 Changed? 700 00:36:02,293 --> 00:36:03,794 - Savannah, Georgia, 701 00:36:03,861 --> 00:36:05,630 a historic and beautiful small city 702 00:36:05,696 --> 00:36:07,965 bustling with restaurants and bars, 703 00:36:08,032 --> 00:36:09,534 tourists and art students, 704 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,003 liberals and old money geriatrics. 705 00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:15,873 This is my dream town, the perfect stop for some fun 706 00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:19,343 and self exploration I dreamed for on my life map. 707 00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:21,879 Yet, here I am on this crisp sunny morning, 708 00:36:21,946 --> 00:36:24,982 wanting to stay sprawled out like a jumping jack in bed. 709 00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:29,120 Yesterday morning, I woke up to dog shit on the floor, 710 00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:32,323 a shot of captain Morgan straight out of the bottle, 711 00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:34,392 and no job to head off to. 712 00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:37,728 I don't feel I lack confidence or creativity, 713 00:36:37,795 --> 00:36:39,897 I learn quickly, and I think I'd be quite an asset 714 00:36:39,964 --> 00:36:42,867 to any company or business that I could be a part of. 715 00:36:43,668 --> 00:36:45,269 Where have I gone wrong? 716 00:36:48,272 --> 00:36:49,941 - She called at about, 717 00:36:50,007 --> 00:36:54,712 I think it was- 00,- 30, in the morning and crying. 718 00:36:54,812 --> 00:36:57,882 I don't really know the actual details of it, 719 00:36:57,949 --> 00:37:00,818 but he pushed her up against the refrigerator, 720 00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:04,689 she has a black eye, he strangled her, 721 00:37:04,789 --> 00:37:06,891 she had marks around her throat. 722 00:37:08,593 --> 00:37:10,695 And I think it's that next step 723 00:37:10,795 --> 00:37:13,698 that I think scared the Jesus out of her, 724 00:37:13,764 --> 00:37:16,100 you know, scared the living shit out of her. 725 00:37:16,968 --> 00:37:18,836 - He tried to strangle her, 726 00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:21,472 so she called the police and then he went to jail. 727 00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:22,907 Every day she wrote to him, 728 00:37:22,974 --> 00:37:26,043 she's apologizing to him after that in notes. 729 00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:29,880 - Forrest, I know you're mad and you hate me. 730 00:37:30,715 --> 00:37:33,584 I fucked up a lot, I'm sorry. 731 00:37:35,553 --> 00:37:37,788 I guess I am as stupid as you think I am. 732 00:37:38,689 --> 00:37:42,026 I love you forever, Alice. 733 00:37:47,231 --> 00:37:48,032 - I felt really helpless, 734 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:50,334 and I went to this therapist, okay? 735 00:37:50,401 --> 00:37:52,570 And she so depressed me when she said 736 00:37:52,637 --> 00:37:54,171 it happens six or seven times 737 00:37:54,238 --> 00:37:57,241 before the person finally gets enough nerve to leave, 738 00:37:57,308 --> 00:37:58,509 if they're not dead. 739 00:38:01,178 --> 00:38:02,747 - She loved everyone else, 740 00:38:02,813 --> 00:38:04,949 she just didn't love herself the same. 741 00:38:07,385 --> 00:38:10,454 She knew she was adopted and she loved all of her family, 742 00:38:10,521 --> 00:38:11,922 but she had that question of why? 743 00:38:11,989 --> 00:38:13,291 - It was hard for me to understand 744 00:38:13,357 --> 00:38:14,959 because knowing Alice's family, 745 00:38:15,026 --> 00:38:16,694 I know that they loved her more than anything. 746 00:38:16,761 --> 00:38:19,797 But I think the fact that her birth parents gave her up 747 00:38:19,864 --> 00:38:21,532 was very hard for her to... 748 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,801 She never really came to terms with that. 749 00:38:24,568 --> 00:38:25,970 - People don't listen to that either, 750 00:38:26,037 --> 00:38:27,738 I said the adoption really bothered her, 751 00:38:27,838 --> 00:38:29,907 and they said, "But she was in such a great family, 752 00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:31,275 and you loved her and you gave her so much." 753 00:38:31,342 --> 00:38:34,779 They don't understand, the adoption really bothered her, 754 00:38:34,845 --> 00:38:36,847 that she was given up for adoption. 755 00:38:37,815 --> 00:38:39,050 And I'll tell you another thing, 756 00:38:39,116 --> 00:38:42,620 Alice has said, that she would rather have an abortion 757 00:38:42,687 --> 00:38:44,689 than put her child up for adoption. 758 00:38:46,123 --> 00:38:47,725 - How does that make you feel? 759 00:38:47,792 --> 00:38:48,893 - It doesn't make... 760 00:38:48,959 --> 00:38:51,862 I wanted to do anything to help her feel better. 761 00:38:51,929 --> 00:38:56,667 I've never seen such a waste of potential and such sadness, 762 00:38:57,368 --> 00:39:00,805 she asked for so little of her life and her relationships. 763 00:39:02,573 --> 00:39:04,775 It did not bother me at all, at all. 764 00:39:06,644 --> 00:39:09,380 - She stayed with him and she... 765 00:39:10,748 --> 00:39:12,883 As it tends to happen in the domestic violence cycle, 766 00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:14,652 she kind of cut herself off from her family, 767 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,886 she didn't talk to us very much. 768 00:39:15,953 --> 00:39:17,988 All of a sudden this happy go lucky girl 769 00:39:18,055 --> 00:39:20,558 that we knew growing up had changed. 770 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,228 - I don't know what I was meant to do in life, 771 00:39:24,295 --> 00:39:27,164 I feel like I missed my chance at whatever it was. 772 00:39:27,298 --> 00:39:30,868 I was supposed to be good at something, I know I was, 773 00:39:30,935 --> 00:39:32,336 but it's like I missed the last bus 774 00:39:32,403 --> 00:39:36,040 to what I was supposed to do, and now I have to walk there. 775 00:39:36,774 --> 00:39:38,876 And along the way, everyone in my life 776 00:39:38,943 --> 00:39:41,612 is handing me cups of water, like a marathon, 777 00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,081 except, instead of cheering me on 778 00:39:44,148 --> 00:39:46,150 they're all yelling for me to go faster 779 00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:50,054 and throwing shit at me because I'm in last place and lost. 780 00:39:52,857 --> 00:39:55,693 - I think she felt ashamed, and I think she was depressed 781 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,731 because she knew she wasn't where she wanted to be. 782 00:40:00,831 --> 00:40:02,633 You know, she kind of made a five-year plan, 783 00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,569 and she wasn't anywhere near accomplishing anything. 784 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:12,209 - Alice called me and she said, "I really need some help." 785 00:40:12,276 --> 00:40:14,845 And I said, "Okay, well, what can I help you with?" 786 00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:18,282 She said, I needed to borrow $500 for an abortion. 787 00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:20,785 I need to get an abortion. 788 00:40:20,851 --> 00:40:22,887 And I always wanted to give her money if she ever asked, 789 00:40:22,953 --> 00:40:25,122 but at that point we were saving for the wedding, 790 00:40:25,189 --> 00:40:26,690 it was a significant amount of money, 791 00:40:26,857 --> 00:40:29,126 and I said, "Alice, if you wanna get this taken care of 792 00:40:29,193 --> 00:40:31,295 I think you have to confront mom. 793 00:40:31,362 --> 00:40:34,632 And I think you'll be surprised how forgiving she can be." 794 00:40:34,698 --> 00:40:36,634 So she did get the abortion done, 795 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:39,904 and my mom became aware of everything, 796 00:40:39,970 --> 00:40:42,173 and Alice said she was very cool about it, 797 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,176 and that's like one of the last texts I got from her. 798 00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:58,088 It was a real fun dancing, uncle Alex. 799 00:40:58,155 --> 00:41:00,191 I remember talking to my mom and saying, 800 00:41:00,524 --> 00:41:04,962 "We can't do this, it's five days before the wedding." 801 00:41:06,964 --> 00:41:09,300 But she felt that, you know, everyone was already coming, 802 00:41:09,366 --> 00:41:11,368 everyone had already made plans, 803 00:41:11,435 --> 00:41:15,606 but having some sort of hope and levity to that weekend 804 00:41:15,673 --> 00:41:17,808 would make the funeral more bearable. 805 00:41:17,875 --> 00:41:19,410 - That is just for the record, 806 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:21,479 he already threw up a couple of times. 807 00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:24,548 - But the thing is, 808 00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:28,953 the wedding is always gonna be associated with the funeral. 809 00:41:29,019 --> 00:41:29,653 - Daddy? 810 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:31,021 - I'm gonna go marry your mom. 811 00:41:32,623 --> 00:41:33,457 - Are you... 812 00:41:33,691 --> 00:41:36,026 - I sure am, I sure am. 813 00:41:36,093 --> 00:41:37,361 - Okay. 814 00:41:37,428 --> 00:41:38,729 - Okay. 815 00:41:38,796 --> 00:41:40,798 Let's make this official, huh? 816 00:41:48,272 --> 00:41:50,908 - There's a concept in Celtic Christianity 817 00:41:50,975 --> 00:41:53,511 called, thin places, 818 00:41:53,577 --> 00:41:58,582 and a thin place is where humanity and divinity meet. 819 00:41:59,383 --> 00:42:03,454 And there's just this place where everything, 820 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,155 just kind of comes together. 821 00:42:07,992 --> 00:42:11,095 Ceci and Edwin's wedding was a thin place. 822 00:42:13,831 --> 00:42:18,636 And there was co-mingled joy and grief, 823 00:42:18,702 --> 00:42:21,505 that created this emotion I had never seen 824 00:42:21,572 --> 00:42:23,774 or experienced before. 825 00:42:27,845 --> 00:42:29,747 And it was so Holy. 826 00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:43,961 - To live a new life that marriage generates. 827 00:42:44,028 --> 00:42:45,329 To, the best that we can say 828 00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:48,198 is we come today, honestly, acknowledging our sadness 829 00:42:48,265 --> 00:42:50,467 and choosing for now to celebrate, 830 00:42:50,534 --> 00:42:53,904 to give our hearts to Edwin and Celia, and they to another. 831 00:42:55,439 --> 00:42:57,575 - Ceci had chosen these really nice, 832 00:42:57,641 --> 00:42:59,243 black, bridesmaid dresses, 833 00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:01,078 and it had a whole different feel 834 00:43:01,145 --> 00:43:03,814 now that one of the bridesmaids wasn't there. 835 00:43:07,318 --> 00:43:11,622 Alice was represented by this vase of flowers 836 00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:16,126 that stood in the place where she should have been standing. 837 00:43:21,966 --> 00:43:23,167 - My pleasure to introduce to you, 838 00:43:23,233 --> 00:43:26,870 for the very first time, Edwin and Cecelia Stevens. 839 00:43:49,193 --> 00:43:52,262 - Every funeral, wedding, everything we've ever been to, 840 00:43:52,329 --> 00:43:57,735 nothing had this same sublime sense of peace about it. 841 00:44:00,170 --> 00:44:02,606 That was a peace that you can't explain away, 842 00:44:02,673 --> 00:44:07,845 it was a peace that had to come from someplace else, 843 00:44:08,178 --> 00:44:12,149 because these two people were able, 844 00:44:12,216 --> 00:44:17,221 in this indescribable moment of grief, 845 00:44:17,554 --> 00:44:19,957 to allow their love to be bigger than that. 846 00:44:20,024 --> 00:44:21,992 Even if just for that moment. 847 00:44:33,303 --> 00:44:35,272 I went back to the hotel to sleep 848 00:44:35,339 --> 00:44:38,976 and then I went and helped their parish priest 849 00:44:39,043 --> 00:44:41,779 with Alice's funeral the next day. 850 00:44:56,860 --> 00:45:01,832 - My father, that all who see the son and believe in him, 851 00:45:02,499 --> 00:45:07,371 may have eternal life, and I will raise them up 852 00:45:07,438 --> 00:45:08,505 on the last day. 853 00:45:08,572 --> 00:45:11,809 - The funeral service was the day after our wedding. 854 00:45:14,078 --> 00:45:16,847 Alice had on the bridesmaid dress 855 00:45:16,914 --> 00:45:19,116 that I had picked out for her. 856 00:45:22,252 --> 00:45:24,988 It was really hard seeing her in the casket 857 00:45:25,055 --> 00:45:26,256 with that dress on. 858 00:45:29,526 --> 00:45:31,795 - The worst part was watching my father 859 00:45:31,862 --> 00:45:34,231 bury another kid, for sure. 860 00:45:35,065 --> 00:45:36,934 I had watched him bury my brother 861 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,169 and he had already been beaten down, 862 00:45:39,236 --> 00:45:41,038 he had lost his first wife, 863 00:45:42,139 --> 00:45:45,075 but burying his second kid was just too much to bear. 864 00:45:46,210 --> 00:45:48,545 - That was the first time I saw Mark breakdown. 865 00:45:50,447 --> 00:45:52,449 Yeah, the only other time I've seen Mark cry 866 00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:54,017 is when Phil... 867 00:45:55,619 --> 00:45:56,887 When they found Phil. 868 00:45:57,988 --> 00:45:59,123 - Today we are here to mourn, 869 00:45:59,189 --> 00:46:00,657 with the support and love of each other, 870 00:46:00,724 --> 00:46:05,195 the death of our daughter, sister, aunt, cousin, friend, 871 00:46:06,063 --> 00:46:07,998 Alice Pendleton Stevens. 872 00:46:08,065 --> 00:46:10,067 Many of you have heard me groan about Alice 873 00:46:10,134 --> 00:46:12,069 for lack of direction, too much drinking, 874 00:46:12,136 --> 00:46:13,704 or inability to follow through on things, 875 00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:17,975 or lack of focus on things that needed to be taken care of. 876 00:46:18,041 --> 00:46:20,577 I keep asking myself, has that led Alice 877 00:46:20,644 --> 00:46:21,979 to really move through life 878 00:46:22,579 --> 00:46:26,083 without any great personal achievements or contributions? 879 00:46:28,585 --> 00:46:33,757 - One of the hardest parts of that was when Mrs. Stevens 880 00:46:33,824 --> 00:46:36,059 gave a eulogy for Alice. 881 00:46:38,195 --> 00:46:40,964 It felt like Dorothy was disappointed in Alice, 882 00:46:41,031 --> 00:46:42,432 and I know that she wasn't, 883 00:46:42,499 --> 00:46:45,369 and I know that's not what she was saying at all. 884 00:46:46,637 --> 00:46:48,272 But the way that it sounded 885 00:46:48,338 --> 00:46:52,609 was that Alice hadn't been what she was supposed to be, 886 00:46:52,676 --> 00:46:57,614 rather than Alice was robbed of the opportunity 887 00:46:58,582 --> 00:47:01,518 to share her best self with the world. 888 00:47:01,585 --> 00:47:03,220 - Into your hands oh merciful savior, 889 00:47:03,287 --> 00:47:06,056 we commend your servant Alice. 890 00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:09,660 Receive her into the arms of your mercy, 891 00:47:09,726 --> 00:47:13,397 into the blessed rest of everlasting peace, 892 00:47:13,463 --> 00:47:17,501 and into the glorious company of the saints in light. 893 00:47:17,568 --> 00:47:18,635 - Amen. 894 00:47:20,437 --> 00:47:23,340 - I just felt like I had to remind people 895 00:47:23,407 --> 00:47:27,144 that she was struggling and that we needed to remember 896 00:47:27,211 --> 00:47:28,145 that part of her, 897 00:47:28,378 --> 00:47:31,982 that we loved her no matter what. 898 00:47:48,398 --> 00:47:51,168 - My father died a few months after Alice, 899 00:47:51,335 --> 00:47:55,172 I think in great part because having someone so young 900 00:47:55,372 --> 00:48:00,611 and loving and happy, and just selfless, like Alice was, 901 00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:02,980 purposely killed like that, 902 00:48:03,113 --> 00:48:06,984 made the world very cold and very cruel feeling. 903 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:09,820 He just couldn't do it anymore, 904 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,123 he couldn't see a way to climb himself out of that hole 905 00:48:13,323 --> 00:48:14,324 when he got in the hospital, 906 00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:17,127 and he made the choice to say I don't wanna fight anymore, 907 00:48:17,194 --> 00:48:18,428 just let it happen. 908 00:48:22,432 --> 00:48:25,269 We buried some of Alice's ashes with him that day, 909 00:48:26,503 --> 00:48:27,704 the rest I kept for myself, 910 00:48:27,771 --> 00:48:31,642 and I'd like to scatter them in a special spot 911 00:48:31,708 --> 00:48:32,976 if I ever feel ready. 912 00:48:35,112 --> 00:48:37,214 A few days before my dad went out to the hospital 913 00:48:37,281 --> 00:48:40,150 for the last time, he wrote me an email. 914 00:48:41,018 --> 00:48:43,420 "Edwin, I know you must be sad 915 00:48:43,487 --> 00:48:46,290 about what happened to Alice, we all are. 916 00:48:46,356 --> 00:48:49,226 Bad things happen to good people all the time. 917 00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:50,727 We lost Phillip 10 years ago, 918 00:48:50,794 --> 00:48:53,297 and I still think of him almost every day. 919 00:48:54,131 --> 00:48:56,133 You will still miss and grieve for Alice, 920 00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:57,701 but you can also enjoy those around you, 921 00:48:57,768 --> 00:49:00,771 and the good and important things in your life. 922 00:49:00,837 --> 00:49:03,640 You're married now and about to become a new father, 923 00:49:03,707 --> 00:49:05,275 and that's really exciting stuff, 924 00:49:05,609 --> 00:49:08,378 so don't let thoughts of Alice get in the way. 925 00:49:08,445 --> 00:49:11,982 Take care and give Ceci and Cooper hugs for me. 926 00:49:12,049 --> 00:49:13,283 Much love, dad." 927 00:49:23,593 --> 00:49:25,295 - The first trial, the Mike Jones trial, 928 00:49:25,362 --> 00:49:26,697 some of the things I remember most, 929 00:49:26,763 --> 00:49:29,566 I first remember meeting Jerry Rothschild, the DA. 930 00:49:32,869 --> 00:49:34,705 - I don't really wanna get into the facts of this case 931 00:49:34,771 --> 00:49:36,974 and probably don't need to, now that I think about it, 932 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,709 but maybe just in general. 933 00:49:40,477 --> 00:49:45,382 It's fair to say that, I suppose my approach early on is, 934 00:49:48,618 --> 00:49:49,486 all in. 935 00:49:50,454 --> 00:49:52,122 Is that a fair way to put it? 936 00:49:52,189 --> 00:49:53,724 - He's very intense, let's put it that way, 937 00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:58,996 super smart and gave us a good walkthrough 938 00:49:59,496 --> 00:50:01,231 of what the proceedings we re gonna be like, 939 00:50:01,298 --> 00:50:05,435 what evidence we had, how the case was gonna go. 940 00:50:05,535 --> 00:50:08,572 And that was just pretty disturbing, 941 00:50:08,638 --> 00:50:13,076 hearing the witnesses and the stories, um... 942 00:50:14,111 --> 00:50:15,345 - The pictures. 943 00:50:15,412 --> 00:50:19,349 - The pictures, yeah. I didn't look at the pictures, 944 00:50:19,449 --> 00:50:21,985 I had had enough with that stuff. 945 00:50:22,052 --> 00:50:23,286 - Like that's the thing, 946 00:50:23,353 --> 00:50:25,255 I really come to care about a lot of these people, 947 00:50:25,322 --> 00:50:26,857 but what I wish more than anything else 948 00:50:26,923 --> 00:50:28,358 is that I'd never met them. 949 00:50:28,425 --> 00:50:31,528 Because to meet them means you met the grim reaper too, 950 00:50:31,595 --> 00:50:33,797 and that's not what I want for anybody. 951 00:50:34,798 --> 00:50:36,099 - One of two men accused 952 00:50:36,166 --> 00:50:37,601 in the killing of a Thunderbolt couple, 953 00:50:37,667 --> 00:50:40,037 will spend the rest of his life behind bars. 954 00:50:40,103 --> 00:50:41,638 Michael Donta Jones was sentenced 955 00:50:41,705 --> 00:50:43,907 to two consecutive life sentences 956 00:50:44,007 --> 00:50:45,509 in Chatham County court today. 957 00:50:45,575 --> 00:50:48,178 Wilkins is still waiting to stand trial. 958 00:50:49,946 --> 00:50:51,515 - Evidence was so overwhelming 959 00:50:51,581 --> 00:50:54,117 that the jury deliberated for about 30 minutes 960 00:50:54,184 --> 00:50:57,754 and then came back with a unanimous, guilty decision, 961 00:50:57,821 --> 00:50:59,189 which was pretty fast. 962 00:51:00,290 --> 00:51:02,759 It was so just, that his own family was there, 963 00:51:02,826 --> 00:51:05,529 and they actually apologized to my mom. 964 00:51:05,595 --> 00:51:07,798 They went up and said, "We're so sorry, 965 00:51:07,864 --> 00:51:09,833 this is not who we thought we raised. 966 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,435 He stayed out of trouble his whole life 967 00:51:11,501 --> 00:51:13,637 until he met up with this Nate guy." 968 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:19,409 There's a lot of racist websites that use them as proof 969 00:51:19,476 --> 00:51:20,744 of why we should be racist. 970 00:51:20,811 --> 00:51:22,979 Because these two nice white people 971 00:51:23,046 --> 00:51:25,582 were killed in cold blood by these two black people, 972 00:51:25,649 --> 00:51:27,417 like that was the only thing they were, 973 00:51:27,484 --> 00:51:28,585 just white and black, 974 00:51:28,652 --> 00:51:30,687 there's nothing else to the story or who they were, 975 00:51:30,754 --> 00:51:33,623 or how they were raised, or anything. 976 00:51:34,624 --> 00:51:37,894 It's pretty disheartening to see their lives being taken, 977 00:51:37,961 --> 00:51:40,330 and then being used as like evidence 978 00:51:40,397 --> 00:51:41,798 of why we should be racist. 979 00:51:41,865 --> 00:51:43,967 Look, how these people weren't racist, 980 00:51:44,034 --> 00:51:45,335 where did they get them? 981 00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:51,208 It's not, in any way, what I want their deaths to represent. 982 00:52:00,450 --> 00:52:02,752 - For me, the most eye-opening piece 983 00:52:02,819 --> 00:52:04,287 of this whole experience 984 00:52:04,354 --> 00:52:09,059 is understanding what it is to be the family 985 00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:11,728 of the victim of violence. 986 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:14,598 Aw, you know it too. 987 00:52:14,664 --> 00:52:19,669 It's how much this grief differs from grief for my parents, 988 00:52:20,003 --> 00:52:25,342 or grief for my patients, grief in different ways. 989 00:52:26,743 --> 00:52:31,948 Because I'll never get over any of these losses, 990 00:52:33,683 --> 00:52:38,889 but even though my parents were young, they died of disease, 991 00:52:41,191 --> 00:52:44,628 it was something natural though awful. 992 00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:51,334 With Alice, her death was entirely preventable. 993 00:52:57,207 --> 00:52:59,676 - So, I just got a text from my mom 994 00:52:59,743 --> 00:53:03,046 that the trial is tentatively set for April 9th, 995 00:53:03,113 --> 00:53:06,683 so today's October 18th. 996 00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:09,619 So over four and a half years after the murders, 997 00:53:09,686 --> 00:53:11,054 we finally get to try the guy 998 00:53:11,121 --> 00:53:13,790 who apparently was behind the whole thing. 999 00:53:13,857 --> 00:53:19,029 And I've been ready to face this for a while now. 1000 00:53:19,763 --> 00:53:21,131 I just want it to be over. 1001 00:53:21,198 --> 00:53:22,732 At this point, it's just, 1002 00:53:25,569 --> 00:53:28,004 it's really hard to have to keep lingering on. 1003 00:53:31,374 --> 00:53:32,175 - Hello? 1004 00:53:32,242 --> 00:53:33,376 - Hey mom. 1005 00:53:33,443 --> 00:53:35,078 - Hi, how did it go today, honey? 1006 00:53:35,145 --> 00:53:36,713 - It was really, really good. 1007 00:53:37,447 --> 00:53:38,949 Audrey was amazing. 1008 00:53:39,015 --> 00:53:41,251 - She really had a lot of good things to say. 1009 00:53:41,318 --> 00:53:42,519 - Yeah, I mean, she was incredible, 1010 00:53:42,586 --> 00:53:44,721 'cause she knew all of us, 1011 00:53:44,788 --> 00:53:47,691 she knew us for longer than anyone else I've talked to 1012 00:53:47,757 --> 00:53:49,926 and probably will talk to. 1013 00:53:49,993 --> 00:53:51,528 That's the thing that's so crazy, 1014 00:53:51,595 --> 00:53:54,531 is that, you know, I don't feel like I even knew her 1015 00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:56,032 for the last six years of her life, 1016 00:53:56,099 --> 00:53:57,067 I'm learning so much her. 1017 00:53:57,133 --> 00:53:58,468 - You know, I don't think we ever knew 1018 00:53:58,535 --> 00:54:00,570 that she had such a positive effect 1019 00:54:00,637 --> 00:54:03,073 and far reaching effect. 1020 00:54:03,139 --> 00:54:04,040 - You know what's funny? 1021 00:54:04,107 --> 00:54:06,009 Is that every single one of these interviews 1022 00:54:06,076 --> 00:54:06,977 has said that about her, 1023 00:54:07,043 --> 00:54:09,446 she just wanted to make other people happy. 1024 00:54:09,512 --> 00:54:11,715 How did everyone else know and we didn't? 1025 00:54:12,949 --> 00:54:15,919 - Well, 'cause she didn't act happy at home. 1026 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,556 I don't know what the real Alice was, 1027 00:54:19,623 --> 00:54:21,491 I mean, I think she was tormented. 1028 00:54:21,558 --> 00:54:23,260 - What was she tormented by? 1029 00:54:23,326 --> 00:54:24,694 - The adoption thing. 1030 00:54:24,761 --> 00:54:27,464 I mean, I think that was the basic rejection 1031 00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:29,633 that she just couldn't get over. 1032 00:54:29,699 --> 00:54:31,635 - Not to mention that, but I think she knew 1033 00:54:31,701 --> 00:54:33,703 that we were all disappointed 1034 00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:35,138 that she was with Forrest 1035 00:54:35,205 --> 00:54:37,674 and she couldn't get herself out of harm's way. 1036 00:54:37,741 --> 00:54:40,443 My one great regret, I think, is that, you know, 1037 00:54:42,746 --> 00:54:45,548 I just felt like I wasn't able to protect her 1038 00:54:45,615 --> 00:54:46,816 as an older brother. 1039 00:54:47,717 --> 00:54:49,452 - Yeah. 1040 00:54:50,487 --> 00:54:51,788 - And I had every opportunity, 1041 00:54:51,855 --> 00:54:54,491 I mean, that fucking guy was at our house all the time, 1042 00:54:54,557 --> 00:54:55,792 and looking me in the face 1043 00:54:55,859 --> 00:54:58,428 and acting like he was a good person, we all knew. 1044 00:54:58,495 --> 00:54:59,896 What do you do with that? 1045 00:55:01,131 --> 00:55:06,536 - Oh, that's so terrible. 1046 00:55:08,338 --> 00:55:09,973 - Sorry, I derailed your night 1047 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,342 before you walked into performance, 1048 00:55:12,409 --> 00:55:14,778 but I just wanted to share those things. 1049 00:55:15,912 --> 00:55:17,580 - Oh, that's okay. 1050 00:55:18,481 --> 00:55:20,684 Listen, thanks Edwin, for calling, okay? 1051 00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:22,652 - Yeah. 1052 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,755 - I can probably wait to hear more about it. 1053 00:55:25,822 --> 00:55:28,625 - Okay, well, I'll talk to you soon. 1054 00:55:29,392 --> 00:55:30,560 - Okay, bye honey. 1055 00:55:30,627 --> 00:55:31,828 - Okay, bye. 1056 00:55:58,722 --> 00:56:02,525 - No one ever chose to be on that autopsy table, 1057 00:56:02,592 --> 00:56:04,728 no one ever chose to be my patient. 1058 00:56:04,794 --> 00:56:07,030 And I would say, my ultimate goal 1059 00:56:07,097 --> 00:56:09,632 is to try to find the answer to bring peace. 1060 00:56:12,135 --> 00:56:13,069 Did they suffer? 1061 00:56:13,937 --> 00:56:17,207 I've found that to be, time and again, the number one thing. 1062 00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:22,545 And fortunately, as in this case, I can honestly say 1063 00:56:23,012 --> 00:56:26,049 they didn't suffer an extended period of time. 1064 00:56:26,116 --> 00:56:29,452 And that's not to say, I can tell you exactly what happened, 1065 00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:30,620 I wasn't there, 1066 00:56:30,687 --> 00:56:33,022 but I can tell you what the evidence says. 1067 00:56:34,224 --> 00:56:35,859 You have two people that are coming home 1068 00:56:35,925 --> 00:56:37,894 from a night out on the town, 1069 00:56:37,961 --> 00:56:41,765 and at some point, two individuals come out of the bushes, 1070 00:56:41,831 --> 00:56:44,934 brandishing weapons, one a 45, and one a 22. 1071 00:56:45,835 --> 00:56:50,340 The first shots were to the chin of both individuals, 1072 00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:51,875 both leaning forward, somewhat. 1073 00:56:51,941 --> 00:56:54,244 Perhaps at a defensive posture, they see it coming 1074 00:56:54,310 --> 00:56:56,980 so they drop and try to put their hands up. 1075 00:56:57,046 --> 00:57:00,917 Miraculously, neither one of those shots hits a vital organ. 1076 00:57:00,984 --> 00:57:03,720 They're both probably stunned at that point. 1077 00:57:03,787 --> 00:57:05,021 - What is a stun? What does that mean? 1078 00:57:05,088 --> 00:57:07,390 - Stunned, I mean, literally they're psychologically, 1079 00:57:07,457 --> 00:57:09,759 I think they're both going, what's going on here? 1080 00:57:09,826 --> 00:57:11,961 This is outside the realm of normal experience, 1081 00:57:12,028 --> 00:57:16,433 nobody expects this to happen. 1082 00:57:16,566 --> 00:57:18,435 While they're trying to process that, 1083 00:57:18,501 --> 00:57:20,804 Forrest gets a shot to the chest, 1084 00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:23,406 that shot leaves his arm. 1085 00:57:23,473 --> 00:57:25,942 And given where his body is found, 1086 00:57:26,009 --> 00:57:28,344 I believe he ends up on his knees, 1087 00:57:28,411 --> 00:57:31,948 and he's got a very large bruise to the small of his back. 1088 00:57:32,015 --> 00:57:35,084 That bruise is approximately the size of foot 1089 00:57:35,151 --> 00:57:37,854 that could be explained by a forceful kick, 1090 00:57:37,921 --> 00:57:40,824 as though you're putting someone down on the ground. 1091 00:57:42,292 --> 00:57:44,327 Very clearly, the shooter then came up 1092 00:57:44,394 --> 00:57:46,362 and put the gun against the back of his head 1093 00:57:46,429 --> 00:57:47,730 and pulled the trigger. 1094 00:57:48,798 --> 00:57:51,301 She has a shot to the side of her head, 1095 00:57:51,367 --> 00:57:52,902 and it comes out the temple. 1096 00:57:54,671 --> 00:57:58,074 I don't personally use the term execution style 1097 00:57:58,141 --> 00:58:01,611 but I certainly wouldn't object if someone called it that. 1098 00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:07,443 - The first week that I was home, 1099 00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:10,179 I did not sleep for the first five nights. 1100 00:59:10,246 --> 00:59:12,749 I don't know how that's possible, 1101 00:59:12,949 --> 00:59:15,485 but I lay awake in this bed, in this new strange house 1102 00:59:15,552 --> 00:59:18,221 that should have been like the most amazing thing, 1103 00:59:18,288 --> 00:59:20,890 that we were buying a house together. 1104 00:59:20,957 --> 00:59:25,929 It felt so cold and lonely, and dark, and terrifying, 1105 00:59:26,195 --> 00:59:28,531 I felt like people could look at me through the window 1106 00:59:28,598 --> 00:59:29,666 at any time. 1107 00:59:33,136 --> 00:59:34,270 I didn't know what had happened, 1108 00:59:34,337 --> 00:59:35,605 I didn't know who had killed them, 1109 00:59:35,672 --> 00:59:37,540 I didn't know if there were people looking for them, 1110 00:59:37,607 --> 00:59:38,775 If it was a robbery. 1111 00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:42,045 I also thought the worst, that like Alice and Forrest 1112 00:59:42,111 --> 00:59:44,581 had asked for it, like they must have been dealing drugs. 1113 00:59:44,647 --> 00:59:45,848 Like that's what I initially went to, 1114 00:59:45,915 --> 00:59:46,950 they must've been doing something 1115 00:59:47,016 --> 00:59:48,384 they shouldn't have been doing 1116 00:59:48,451 --> 00:59:51,354 to get into this shit like this. 1117 00:59:51,421 --> 00:59:53,189 Which, in a way, would have been more comforting, 1118 00:59:53,256 --> 00:59:55,325 like, oh, well at least you knew the risk, 1119 00:59:55,391 --> 00:59:57,860 like you could have seen it coming. 1120 00:59:57,927 --> 00:59:59,596 Especially the way they were basically executed 1121 00:59:59,662 --> 01:00:00,463 on their porch. 1122 01:00:00,530 --> 01:00:01,397 You think, wow, okay, 1123 01:00:01,464 --> 01:00:03,933 that's a message that someone's sending. 1124 01:00:04,033 --> 01:00:07,870 But that's kind of the fucked up thing, is it's not. 1125 01:00:08,004 --> 01:00:09,839 It's just like... 1126 01:00:09,939 --> 01:00:12,208 It's like one day you flipped off someone in traffic 1127 01:00:12,308 --> 01:00:13,810 and they decided to follow you home, 1128 01:00:13,876 --> 01:00:15,445 I think about stuff like that all the time, 1129 01:00:15,545 --> 01:00:18,514 when you think about having a poor reaction to someone 1130 01:00:18,948 --> 01:00:20,116 or acting angrily. 1131 01:00:22,218 --> 01:00:25,722 I think about, man, there's bigger things to worry about 1132 01:00:27,056 --> 01:00:29,726 than yelling at the person 1133 01:00:29,792 --> 01:00:32,261 that gets your order on the subway. 1134 01:00:33,563 --> 01:00:36,332 There were months where every single night 1135 01:00:36,399 --> 01:00:37,634 I would dream about the crime scene, 1136 01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:40,637 I'd dream about being there, watching it go down, 1137 01:00:40,703 --> 01:00:43,072 what must have happened and what must've been said. 1138 01:00:43,139 --> 01:00:45,174 Especially like, the less information we had 1139 01:00:45,241 --> 01:00:47,710 the more I just made it up in my own head. 1140 01:00:49,212 --> 01:00:53,049 But the problem is now I've actually seen the autopsy photo, 1141 01:00:53,149 --> 01:00:56,819 so I have seen it and it's pretty bad. 1142 01:00:57,987 --> 01:00:59,055 It's pretty bad. 1143 01:01:01,491 --> 01:01:05,161 Now, I kind of dream about what could have been, 1144 01:01:06,129 --> 01:01:07,930 I dream about times when we were younger 1145 01:01:07,997 --> 01:01:09,599 and we were together, 1146 01:01:10,299 --> 01:01:13,236 I dream about her meeting my children. 1147 01:01:15,038 --> 01:01:16,172 I had a dream recently 1148 01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:18,875 that Alice and Forrest were getting married, 1149 01:01:18,941 --> 01:01:20,977 and my family decided not to go to the wedding 1150 01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:22,979 because we didn't support Alice getting married 1151 01:01:23,046 --> 01:01:24,847 to someone who had abused her. 1152 01:01:25,948 --> 01:01:27,617 And then I dreamt that my own wife divorced me 1153 01:01:27,684 --> 01:01:28,751 because of it. 1154 01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:35,191 - It's hard because we went from our small apartment 1155 01:01:35,258 --> 01:01:38,394 which was all nice and cozy, and little, 1156 01:01:38,461 --> 01:01:41,330 and I feel like we did everything together. 1157 01:01:41,397 --> 01:01:43,199 And then we moved into this big house 1158 01:01:43,266 --> 01:01:47,270 and I feel like we don't do everything together anymore. 1159 01:01:48,171 --> 01:01:53,142 Some days, Ed and I just cannot get on the same page, 1160 01:01:53,443 --> 01:01:57,914 and we're both angry and upset and we can't articulate 1161 01:01:58,047 --> 01:02:00,483 exactly what is wrong with either one of us, 1162 01:02:00,583 --> 01:02:04,887 but we're just both lashing out at each other, all day long. 1163 01:02:06,489 --> 01:02:11,394 Sometimes I feel like something triggers Ed somehow, 1164 01:02:11,527 --> 01:02:14,230 and he just has something in his head, 1165 01:02:14,330 --> 01:02:19,502 and no matter what I do I can't seem to support him 1166 01:02:19,869 --> 01:02:21,370 the right way, I guess. 1167 01:02:23,506 --> 01:02:27,744 And sometimes I think I just get so sick and tired 1168 01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:32,515 of trying so hard to make sure that I don't trigger him, 1169 01:02:32,582 --> 01:02:34,283 that I'm just... Done. 1170 01:02:41,991 --> 01:02:43,059 - You? 1171 01:02:44,227 --> 01:02:47,897 Well, I knew that you were drinking too much, 1172 01:02:48,664 --> 01:02:51,234 and I was really, really worried about that. 1173 01:02:52,902 --> 01:02:58,307 And I'm a comfort eater, I know you were eating too much 1174 01:03:00,743 --> 01:03:01,844 - Before Alice died, 1175 01:03:01,911 --> 01:03:03,813 I'd been getting in pretty good shape for the wedding, 1176 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,917 and after she died, I just didn't feel the motivation 1177 01:03:07,984 --> 01:03:09,118 to improve myself any more, 1178 01:03:09,318 --> 01:03:11,387 I didn't care about myself as much. 1179 01:03:12,288 --> 01:03:15,725 I felt like tomorrow someone could run up on me and kill me, 1180 01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:19,195 so why wouldn't I just do whatever I wanted all the time 1181 01:03:19,262 --> 01:03:20,496 until that happened. 1182 01:03:20,563 --> 01:03:24,667 So I ate whatever I wanted, didn't work out anymore, 1183 01:03:24,734 --> 01:03:27,737 haven't really worried about eating or working out 1184 01:03:27,804 --> 01:03:29,438 for like four years, 1185 01:03:29,505 --> 01:03:32,341 and it's affected my health pretty drastically. 1186 01:03:36,479 --> 01:03:39,248 I'd been a pretty devout Christian for 27 years 1187 01:03:39,315 --> 01:03:40,449 and then this happened 1188 01:03:40,683 --> 01:03:43,019 and it just completely changed my outlook. 1189 01:03:44,287 --> 01:03:46,389 It just felt like like random chaos, 1190 01:03:46,455 --> 01:03:49,258 and that even if there is a Christian God like that, 1191 01:03:49,325 --> 01:03:50,693 how could I trust that God? 1192 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,028 How can I worship that God 1193 01:03:52,094 --> 01:03:53,996 when he did this to my family? 1194 01:03:57,266 --> 01:04:01,470 People told me a lot of cliche things; 1195 01:04:01,537 --> 01:04:03,706 They said, well, she's in a better place now, 1196 01:04:03,773 --> 01:04:06,409 which frankly just made me think, well, why am I here then? 1197 01:04:06,475 --> 01:04:09,178 If there's another place waiting for me out there, 1198 01:04:09,245 --> 01:04:11,581 why are we all struggling so hard to stay alive? 1199 01:04:11,647 --> 01:04:14,584 I think we've convinced ourselves that there's better things 1200 01:04:14,650 --> 01:04:19,121 out there so that life doesn't seem so sad. 1201 01:04:21,324 --> 01:04:22,692 And then the other thing people would tell me 1202 01:04:22,758 --> 01:04:25,027 is everything happens for a reason, which I just thought, 1203 01:04:25,094 --> 01:04:27,463 you know, what the hell does that even mean? 1204 01:04:29,198 --> 01:04:31,000 What could even be a possible reason 1205 01:04:31,067 --> 01:04:32,969 that would make this worthwhile? 1206 01:04:38,674 --> 01:04:43,212 It's really hard to be motivated, 1207 01:04:43,279 --> 01:04:45,114 to take care of myself in a world 1208 01:04:45,181 --> 01:04:48,017 where that can happen to someone who is so wonderful. 1209 01:05:12,708 --> 01:05:14,377 On the way to Savannah, 1210 01:05:15,511 --> 01:05:18,714 I just increasingly felt my stomach drop 1211 01:05:18,781 --> 01:05:20,716 and my heart rate elevate. 1212 01:05:22,652 --> 01:05:25,154 The only reason I ever came to Savannah 1213 01:05:25,221 --> 01:05:27,189 was after Alice was murdered, 1214 01:05:28,024 --> 01:05:30,326 this place just gives me the creeps. 1215 01:05:35,164 --> 01:05:36,699 As things look right now, 1216 01:05:36,766 --> 01:05:39,735 there are very few witnesses that are allowed to talk, 1217 01:05:40,369 --> 01:05:42,238 so we're getting pretty nervous. 1218 01:05:43,172 --> 01:05:45,608 Mike Jones, the first defendant, 1219 01:05:45,675 --> 01:05:49,312 is the one who's incriminated Nate Wilkins. 1220 01:05:49,378 --> 01:05:51,681 We're not allowed to use anything that he said, 1221 01:05:51,747 --> 01:05:54,250 Nate Wilkins has been pretty quiet, 1222 01:05:54,317 --> 01:05:57,320 whereas with the first defendant, he told everyone. 1223 01:05:58,988 --> 01:06:00,222 There's no physical evidence 1224 01:06:00,289 --> 01:06:04,026 and there's very little circumstantial evidence as well. 1225 01:06:05,962 --> 01:06:07,129 I just really wanna know 1226 01:06:07,363 --> 01:06:09,398 what's gonna happen with this trial. 1227 01:06:30,553 --> 01:06:32,154 I have to sit like five feet 1228 01:06:32,221 --> 01:06:34,657 from the person who killed my sister, 1229 01:06:34,724 --> 01:06:36,692 and it's really hard to sit there next to them 1230 01:06:36,759 --> 01:06:37,860 breathe the same air. 1231 01:06:39,161 --> 01:06:41,430 - Can you imagine him coming in looking like that? 1232 01:06:41,497 --> 01:06:43,432 All studious with his glasses on, 1233 01:06:43,499 --> 01:06:47,136 and this nice shirt and his pants, and no chains. 1234 01:06:48,771 --> 01:06:51,741 It meant nothing to him, it meant absolutely nothing to him 1235 01:06:52,174 --> 01:06:54,543 that he killed somebody, he could care less. 1236 01:06:58,314 --> 01:06:59,648 - Here's why we're here. 1237 01:07:00,483 --> 01:07:02,451 This is Forrest Ison, he's 27 years old, 1238 01:07:02,518 --> 01:07:05,187 let's go on and kill the lights so you can see this. 1239 01:07:05,254 --> 01:07:08,391 His girlfriend is Alice Stevens, she was 24. 1240 01:07:08,457 --> 01:07:10,026 They were young, and they were in love, 1241 01:07:10,092 --> 01:07:11,727 and they worked together, 1242 01:07:11,794 --> 01:07:13,562 that's how they looked when they were alive. 1243 01:07:13,629 --> 01:07:15,031 Next picture. 1244 01:07:15,097 --> 01:07:16,866 Here's what he did to them. 1245 01:07:16,932 --> 01:07:18,834 There are drive by shootings, 1246 01:07:18,901 --> 01:07:20,903 there are accidental shootings, 1247 01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:24,573 then there's this thing, up close and personal. 1248 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,476 Now that is petty, and dumb, and mean, 1249 01:07:27,543 --> 01:07:29,311 as a motivation, you're gonna find. 1250 01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:33,015 - I think when you have horrific crimes like this, 1251 01:07:33,082 --> 01:07:35,251 this pressure on the prosecution 1252 01:07:35,317 --> 01:07:37,219 to come up with some sort of resolve, 1253 01:07:37,286 --> 01:07:39,889 and sometimes that pressure forces them 1254 01:07:39,955 --> 01:07:42,892 to try to put square into pegs round holes, 1255 01:07:42,958 --> 01:07:46,796 and they try to make it fit to get a certain result, 1256 01:07:46,862 --> 01:07:49,198 and that's what happened in this case. 1257 01:07:50,699 --> 01:07:52,835 - Chris Trebuchet is the one who found the bodies 1258 01:07:52,902 --> 01:07:53,769 and called 9/11. 1259 01:07:53,836 --> 01:07:57,339 He heard the shots, ran after the perpetrators, 1260 01:07:57,473 --> 01:07:58,941 got a decent look at them. 1261 01:07:59,041 --> 01:08:03,779 - I heard two gunshots, and a God awful loud scream. 1262 01:08:03,946 --> 01:08:05,314 - Human scream? Animal scream? 1263 01:08:05,381 --> 01:08:06,649 What kind of scream? 1264 01:08:06,715 --> 01:08:08,818 - A human scream, like, you'd see at a horror movie. 1265 01:08:08,918 --> 01:08:11,087 - If you know, you know, did it sound male 1266 01:08:11,187 --> 01:08:13,189 or did it sound female? 1267 01:08:13,289 --> 01:08:16,392 - It was a female, to the extent it would make the hair 1268 01:08:16,492 --> 01:08:18,461 on the back of your neck stand up. 1269 01:08:19,628 --> 01:08:20,629 - It's tough to hear 1270 01:08:20,696 --> 01:08:23,232 about Alice's blood curdling screams, 1271 01:08:23,332 --> 01:08:25,267 he said it sounded like something that you hear 1272 01:08:25,367 --> 01:08:26,702 in a horror movie. 1273 01:08:27,636 --> 01:08:30,039 - I think I feel sadder than I was when I came here 1274 01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:32,208 because I had to relive so many times, 1275 01:08:32,274 --> 01:08:35,644 hearing her scream, "No, Nate! No, Nate!" 1276 01:08:37,113 --> 01:08:38,848 - Then came the really hard stuff, 1277 01:08:39,582 --> 01:08:42,852 we went through the autopsies, ad nauseum. 1278 01:08:43,586 --> 01:08:45,354 We went through all the pictures 1279 01:08:45,421 --> 01:08:48,324 of where the bullets entered their bodies, 1280 01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:49,925 where they exited their bodies, 1281 01:08:49,992 --> 01:08:51,760 where the fragments of bullets were found 1282 01:08:51,827 --> 01:08:53,129 in Forrest's skull. 1283 01:08:53,195 --> 01:08:54,964 - This is an identification photograph 1284 01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:56,532 - It was just brutal. 1285 01:08:56,599 --> 01:08:58,000 - ... Mrs Steven's body. 1286 01:08:58,067 --> 01:09:02,471 To account for the bruise in the back, I kick the back, 1287 01:09:02,538 --> 01:09:04,173 I send him to the ground, 1288 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,275 I walk over, one shot. 1289 01:09:06,342 --> 01:09:07,510 At this point I would say- 1290 01:09:07,576 --> 01:09:10,579 - I just kept imagining the terror that she felt. 1291 01:09:12,014 --> 01:09:17,419 I really feel so terrible at what she must've felt, 1292 01:09:20,022 --> 01:09:22,625 knowing that the guy was gonna shoot her. 1293 01:09:23,959 --> 01:09:25,261 - You pull the trigger on that, 1294 01:09:25,327 --> 01:09:27,062 are you gonna get blood spatter on that gun? 1295 01:09:27,129 --> 01:09:29,365 - Yes, sir, you're gonna have what's called blowback, 1296 01:09:29,431 --> 01:09:32,535 where material comes back onto the weapon, 1297 01:09:32,701 --> 01:09:36,639 blood mainly, brain tissue, back onto the weapon. 1298 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,141 - That's all I have for this witness. 1299 01:09:43,345 --> 01:09:45,681 - Watch your step. 1300 01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:49,285 - Tell us your name, please, sir? 1301 01:09:49,351 --> 01:09:50,653 - Michael Jones. 1302 01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:53,622 - Michael Jones, you're currently incarcerated 1303 01:09:54,490 --> 01:09:56,959 based on the same murder prosecuted, is that correct? 1304 01:09:57,026 --> 01:09:57,927 - Yup. 1305 01:09:57,993 --> 01:09:59,995 - That said, you know this guy? 1306 01:10:00,763 --> 01:10:02,731 - I refuse to answer anything else. 1307 01:10:02,798 --> 01:10:03,799 - Do you know this defendant? 1308 01:10:03,866 --> 01:10:06,235 - I refuse to answer anything else. 1309 01:10:06,302 --> 01:10:07,770 Let the record show, I said that. 1310 01:10:07,836 --> 01:10:09,638 - Obviously, he's not gonna say anything. 1311 01:10:09,705 --> 01:10:10,439 - He's certainly not gonna help on purpose, 1312 01:10:10,506 --> 01:10:11,340 but I had to question him. 1313 01:10:11,407 --> 01:10:12,508 - Yeah. 1314 01:10:12,575 --> 01:10:13,842 - Did this man participate in this thing? 1315 01:10:15,711 --> 01:10:17,780 - I refuse to ask any questions that you got for me. 1316 01:10:17,846 --> 01:10:19,782 - Do you know anything about this murder? 1317 01:10:19,848 --> 01:10:21,417 - Like I said the first time. 1318 01:10:22,384 --> 01:10:23,519 - You think it's funny? 1319 01:10:23,586 --> 01:10:24,853 - I refuse to answer anything. 1320 01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,355 - You understand that if you refuse to testify 1321 01:10:26,422 --> 01:10:28,791 this court can hold you in contempt? 1322 01:10:28,857 --> 01:10:30,292 - I got to life sentences without parole, 1323 01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:32,361 what's contempt to me? 1324 01:10:33,729 --> 01:10:36,699 - They brought Mike Jones to the stand, 1325 01:10:36,765 --> 01:10:38,334 but he was just super defiant. 1326 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,668 He laughed a couple of times, 1327 01:10:39,735 --> 01:10:41,270 I mean, he clearly just thinks this is all a big joke 1328 01:10:41,337 --> 01:10:44,473 like, look at me, look how cool I am that I did this. 1329 01:10:46,208 --> 01:10:48,077 And it's hard to know that the guy he did it with 1330 01:10:48,143 --> 01:10:50,646 is sitting there still fighting to get away with it, 1331 01:10:50,713 --> 01:10:53,549 and that he has a shot at it, is unbelievable. 1332 01:10:55,117 --> 01:10:55,985 It's scary. 1333 01:11:00,823 --> 01:11:03,425 So the morning was a mess. 1334 01:11:03,492 --> 01:11:05,294 - I heard you testify a little, 1335 01:11:05,361 --> 01:11:08,130 that one of the gentlemen had dreads? 1336 01:11:08,197 --> 01:11:08,998 - Yes, sir. 1337 01:11:09,064 --> 01:11:11,133 - You have never seen that guy before 1338 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:12,268 in the four and a half years 1339 01:11:12,334 --> 01:11:13,869 this case has been pending, have you? 1340 01:11:13,936 --> 01:11:16,505 - The witness, Chris Trebuchet, suddenly today, 1341 01:11:16,572 --> 01:11:19,074 he remembers dreadlocks on one of the people, 1342 01:11:19,141 --> 01:11:21,644 he's never said that in four years before. 1343 01:11:23,746 --> 01:11:24,980 So clearly he's seen pictures 1344 01:11:25,214 --> 01:11:26,682 of the defendant with dreadlocks 1345 01:11:26,749 --> 01:11:29,885 and he's trying to help too much. 1346 01:11:30,619 --> 01:11:32,621 The Chief of Police from Thunderbolt, 1347 01:11:32,688 --> 01:11:35,824 he had to leave the trial because he has a heart condition 1348 01:11:35,891 --> 01:11:38,294 and he was looking pretty bad. 1349 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:39,695 - Oh Chief's been very sick. 1350 01:11:39,762 --> 01:11:42,298 Yeah, Chief Merriman has been very sick. 1351 01:11:42,364 --> 01:11:43,532 From our vantage point it looks like 1352 01:11:43,599 --> 01:11:45,768 he's solely holding out for this trial. 1353 01:11:46,502 --> 01:11:48,070 - But Chief Merriman gets on the stand, 1354 01:11:48,137 --> 01:11:49,538 and man, he's looking gray. 1355 01:11:49,605 --> 01:11:53,742 He is not feeling well and you can tell, oh boy. 1356 01:11:53,909 --> 01:11:55,411 - You just testified to the jury, 1357 01:11:55,477 --> 01:11:56,845 she admitted that she was driving. 1358 01:11:56,912 --> 01:11:59,281 Now you're saying that's not what took place? 1359 01:12:00,049 --> 01:12:02,418 I may have been confused, Mr Attridge. 1360 01:12:02,484 --> 01:12:03,585 - The defense is trying to make him look 1361 01:12:03,652 --> 01:12:04,820 like he botched the police work, 1362 01:12:04,887 --> 01:12:06,622 and now he looks like this confused old man. 1363 01:12:06,689 --> 01:12:08,557 And you're like, maybe he can convince the jury 1364 01:12:08,624 --> 01:12:09,758 that he's a confused old man, 1365 01:12:09,825 --> 01:12:12,294 and he messed up his last case. 1366 01:12:14,963 --> 01:12:17,966 There's only one person who was actually there, 1367 01:12:18,067 --> 01:12:19,802 whose testimony matters, 1368 01:12:19,868 --> 01:12:23,405 and her name is Tracy Burgess Wilkins. 1369 01:12:23,505 --> 01:12:25,808 She's Nathaniel Wilkins's sister, 1370 01:12:25,908 --> 01:12:28,711 she drove the getaway car, she had a firsthand account 1371 01:12:28,811 --> 01:12:30,112 and saw everything go down. 1372 01:12:30,179 --> 01:12:33,315 If her testimony comes off as credible, 1373 01:12:33,415 --> 01:12:35,417 I think we're in a good spot. 1374 01:12:35,484 --> 01:12:37,820 However, she's not very credible. 1375 01:12:37,886 --> 01:12:41,724 She forgets things, and she's changed her story a few times, 1376 01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:44,893 so it's hard to say whether or not the jury 1377 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,962 will find her as a credible witness, 1378 01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:50,265 'cause that's basically this whole case now. 1379 01:12:50,332 --> 01:12:52,334 - He pointed a gun at her, and what did she say? 1380 01:12:52,401 --> 01:12:54,103 - No Nate! No, Nate! No, Nate! 1381 01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:55,504 - You heard her say your brother's name? 1382 01:12:55,571 --> 01:12:56,638 - Yes, sir. Out loud. 1383 01:12:56,705 --> 01:12:57,773 - Then what happened? 1384 01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,575 - That's when my brother pulled the trigger 1385 01:12:59,641 --> 01:13:02,378 and shot her directly in the neck, and she fell. 1386 01:13:02,444 --> 01:13:03,812 - What happened next? 1387 01:13:03,879 --> 01:13:05,581 - So that's when the male victim decided 1388 01:13:05,647 --> 01:13:06,882 to make one more step, 1389 01:13:06,949 --> 01:13:09,051 and Mike pumped every round inside of his chest. 1390 01:13:10,152 --> 01:13:11,420 - Did Nathaniel ever describe him 1391 01:13:11,487 --> 01:13:13,222 as anything in particular? 1392 01:13:13,288 --> 01:13:14,189 - My brother told people 1393 01:13:14,256 --> 01:13:16,759 that he got rid of some germs and bacteria. 1394 01:13:19,128 --> 01:13:21,296 - With Jerry, Tracy did okay, 1395 01:13:21,363 --> 01:13:24,032 but the defense just started tearing her apart. 1396 01:13:24,733 --> 01:13:27,336 She got facts wrong, she got dates wrong, 1397 01:13:27,403 --> 01:13:30,873 she got the timing wrong, she kept messing up her story, 1398 01:13:31,807 --> 01:13:33,175 to look pretty bad. 1399 01:13:33,242 --> 01:13:35,577 - Let me ask you this, 1400 01:13:35,644 --> 01:13:37,679 did you tell someone at one point in time 1401 01:13:37,746 --> 01:13:41,583 that at the time of the shooting, you were in the back seat 1402 01:13:41,650 --> 01:13:44,119 of the vehicle having sex with Michael? 1403 01:13:44,186 --> 01:13:45,621 - Yes sir, I told my baby sister. 1404 01:13:45,687 --> 01:13:47,423 - According to that lie, 1405 01:13:47,489 --> 01:13:48,824 who is the shooter then, 1406 01:13:48,891 --> 01:13:51,794 if Michael Jones is in the backseat having sex with you? 1407 01:13:53,562 --> 01:13:55,497 - Michael Jones was the shooter. 1408 01:13:55,564 --> 01:13:58,600 We could have stopped having sex and he could've got out. 1409 01:14:01,904 --> 01:14:05,207 - It's unsettling how nervous we are 1410 01:14:05,274 --> 01:14:09,178 about the outcome of this trial considering what we know. 1411 01:14:09,244 --> 01:14:12,648 That shouldn't be in doubt, there should be no doubt. 1412 01:14:13,715 --> 01:14:16,151 - Things aren't looking good for us right now. 1413 01:14:17,252 --> 01:14:20,556 Jerry told us that there's a plea deal on the table, 1414 01:14:20,622 --> 01:14:23,192 Nate and his representation are offering 1415 01:14:23,258 --> 01:14:25,527 that they'll plead guilty to one count of manslaughter, 1416 01:14:25,594 --> 01:14:26,829 which gets him 20 years. 1417 01:14:27,629 --> 01:14:32,468 He'd probably serve 14 or 16 of those and then be paroled. 1418 01:14:32,534 --> 01:14:34,803 He's already served three and a half 1419 01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:37,005 which he would get credit for time served, 1420 01:14:37,072 --> 01:14:41,543 and people are seriously considering taking this plea deal. 1421 01:14:41,610 --> 01:14:44,913 Personally, it doesn't make a difference to me 1422 01:14:44,980 --> 01:14:48,016 whether he gets out in a week or if he gets out in 15 years, 1423 01:14:48,083 --> 01:14:50,319 is that he deserves to be in jail forever. 1424 01:14:51,186 --> 01:14:53,989 If he gets out at all, it's a failure to me. 1425 01:14:55,524 --> 01:14:57,459 What's the rest of my life look like 1426 01:14:57,526 --> 01:14:59,294 knowing that this guy's out there? 1427 01:15:00,395 --> 01:15:02,431 - So we all thought about it that night 1428 01:15:02,498 --> 01:15:04,600 and really agonized about it. 1429 01:15:04,666 --> 01:15:07,336 The next morning we go in and I very reluctantly said, 1430 01:15:07,402 --> 01:15:10,138 maybe that's best to do because the defense attorney 1431 01:15:10,205 --> 01:15:13,242 seemed to be trying to discredit the witnesses so badly, 1432 01:15:13,308 --> 01:15:15,677 I didn't know how the jury would react. 1433 01:15:15,744 --> 01:15:18,647 - So we brought the plea to the defense, 1434 01:15:18,814 --> 01:15:22,050 who suggested the plea bargain in the first place, 1435 01:15:23,385 --> 01:15:24,820 and then the defendant turned around and said, 1436 01:15:24,887 --> 01:15:26,922 "Nah, I don't want it after all. 1437 01:15:26,989 --> 01:15:29,358 I think I'm gonna to win this thing." 1438 01:15:29,424 --> 01:15:31,894 So after crying and fighting 1439 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,630 and deliberating about this plea bargain all morning, 1440 01:15:34,696 --> 01:15:37,699 and me essentially losing the argument, 1441 01:15:38,567 --> 01:15:40,669 now we're gonna try the case anyways. 1442 01:15:42,037 --> 01:15:43,805 - If you would, sir, please speak up loud and clear, 1443 01:15:43,872 --> 01:15:47,276 and tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury your name. 1444 01:15:47,342 --> 01:15:48,977 - Doris Bernard Cooper. 1445 01:15:49,044 --> 01:15:50,279 - Spell Doris for me. 1446 01:15:50,345 --> 01:15:52,247 - D-O-R-I-S. 1447 01:15:52,314 --> 01:15:56,785 - George Cooper also was a witness, he worked in the kitchen 1448 01:15:56,852 --> 01:15:59,755 at Blow And Smoke with Mike and Nate, 1449 01:15:59,821 --> 01:16:00,722 and Mike started bragging to him 1450 01:16:00,789 --> 01:16:02,291 about how he committed this murder. 1451 01:16:02,357 --> 01:16:05,027 And then when Nate rolled up at the end of the night, 1452 01:16:05,093 --> 01:16:07,029 Mike took out a bloody shirt and said, "Look at this, 1453 01:16:07,095 --> 01:16:09,831 this is the blood that we wiped off the gun." 1454 01:16:09,898 --> 01:16:13,502 - This is the T-shirt we used to wipe the blood 1455 01:16:13,602 --> 01:16:14,903 and our prints. 1456 01:16:14,970 --> 01:16:16,405 - The only reason there's blood on the gun 1457 01:16:16,471 --> 01:16:18,907 is because there was a contact shot in the back of the head. 1458 01:16:18,974 --> 01:16:21,677 The forensic evidence is now backing up 1459 01:16:21,743 --> 01:16:22,945 George Cooper's statement. 1460 01:16:23,011 --> 01:16:25,147 Suddenly he looks like a much more credible witness 1461 01:16:25,213 --> 01:16:29,318 than just this 'streetwalker', as the defense called him, 1462 01:16:29,384 --> 01:16:31,186 'a street person' 1463 01:16:32,421 --> 01:16:35,424 who was testifying looking for some reward money. 1464 01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:37,159 - Let's look at Tracy Burgess, 1465 01:16:37,225 --> 01:16:39,861 who is the foundation to their case. 1466 01:16:39,928 --> 01:16:42,598 What is Tracy Burgess? 1467 01:16:42,664 --> 01:16:47,869 Tracy Burgess is a thief, she is a liar. 1468 01:16:51,006 --> 01:16:53,241 Her testimony has been contradicted 1469 01:16:53,308 --> 01:16:57,179 by every other witnesses' testimony in this case. 1470 01:16:57,245 --> 01:16:59,681 So not only is she a proven liar, 1471 01:16:59,748 --> 01:17:02,951 she is a admitted liar. 1472 01:17:03,719 --> 01:17:06,455 - They've been harping and harping on Tracy being a liar, 1473 01:17:06,555 --> 01:17:07,356 she said she was on this street 1474 01:17:07,422 --> 01:17:08,924 but she was actually on the street, 1475 01:17:08,991 --> 01:17:11,760 she said that she wasn't the driver but she was, 1476 01:17:11,860 --> 01:17:14,096 and now she's admitting she's a driver... 1477 01:17:15,263 --> 01:17:17,966 So the defense brings out one piece of evidence, 1478 01:17:18,066 --> 01:17:21,737 this tape of Tracy being escorted to the jail 1479 01:17:21,870 --> 01:17:24,906 in a police car with Chief Merriman. 1480 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,575 I'm like, oh man, she's gonna look so bad on this, 1481 01:17:26,642 --> 01:17:27,509 she's going to look... 1482 01:17:27,576 --> 01:17:28,610 She's gonna tell like yet another story 1483 01:17:28,677 --> 01:17:29,544 that we don't even know about, 1484 01:17:29,611 --> 01:17:31,546 she's gonna look like a liar. 1485 01:17:32,948 --> 01:17:34,616 - My brother came to my house. 1486 01:17:34,683 --> 01:17:38,787 He said, "Tracey, do you all wanna ride and have some fun?" 1487 01:17:38,854 --> 01:17:41,923 We said yeah, so we rode around. 1488 01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:45,227 Next thing I knew my brother went into Thunderbolt. 1489 01:17:45,293 --> 01:17:48,897 He got out, and the lady, I think, I heard, 1490 01:17:48,964 --> 01:17:50,799 she screamed his name. 1491 01:17:50,866 --> 01:17:53,001 So my brother shot her. 1492 01:17:53,068 --> 01:17:57,639 I don't know where he shot her at, but he shot her. 1493 01:17:57,706 --> 01:17:58,907 Mike shot too. 1494 01:18:02,010 --> 01:18:02,978 - Why did you tell me earlier 1495 01:18:03,045 --> 01:18:04,312 you weren't in the car? 1496 01:18:04,379 --> 01:18:07,783 - I was scared, I was scared, I was scared. 1497 01:18:10,686 --> 01:18:13,321 And then my brother told me of I tell he'd kill me, 1498 01:18:13,388 --> 01:18:14,256 so I left. 1499 01:18:16,291 --> 01:18:17,559 I left and went back to Atlanta 1500 01:18:17,626 --> 01:18:22,364 because he said he'd kill me if I run my mouth. 1501 01:18:23,432 --> 01:18:27,069 Lord, and my brother means what he says. 1502 01:18:31,373 --> 01:18:34,076 But I never drove the car, never. 1503 01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:40,182 How can you do it? 1504 01:18:47,456 --> 01:18:49,925 - Tracy was just sobbing her heart out, 1505 01:18:49,991 --> 01:18:51,827 I mean, she was crying hysterically, 1506 01:18:51,893 --> 01:18:54,296 so I think that was the real Tracy. 1507 01:18:54,362 --> 01:18:58,033 And she's told a different story then, than she had before. 1508 01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:00,469 But she's never wavered ever, ever, ever, 1509 01:19:00,535 --> 01:19:02,204 no matter how many different stories she's had, 1510 01:19:02,604 --> 01:19:05,841 that it was Mike Jones, who was her boyfriend at the time, 1511 01:19:05,907 --> 01:19:09,311 and Nate Wilkins, were the killers. 1512 01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:14,516 - It's nerve wracking to just sit there 1513 01:19:14,583 --> 01:19:18,086 with nothing to do except think about 1514 01:19:18,153 --> 01:19:19,654 what the hell this verdict could be, 1515 01:19:19,721 --> 01:19:21,523 or if there will be a verdict. 1516 01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:23,925 There's only one way that this trial can go, 1517 01:19:23,992 --> 01:19:26,461 that we'll walk away somewhat satisfied. 1518 01:19:26,528 --> 01:19:28,563 We need the verdict to be guilty. 1519 01:19:29,664 --> 01:19:30,432 If there's a hung jury, 1520 01:19:30,499 --> 01:19:31,767 then we're gonna have to come back 1521 01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:33,401 and do this thing all over again. 1522 01:19:33,468 --> 01:19:34,970 They say these things don't usually get better, 1523 01:19:35,036 --> 01:19:36,304 usually if you get one hung jury, 1524 01:19:36,371 --> 01:19:38,006 that means that he's on the way to getting out eventually, 1525 01:19:38,073 --> 01:19:40,408 because witnesses don't remember things better 1526 01:19:40,475 --> 01:19:41,810 as time goes on. 1527 01:19:44,946 --> 01:19:46,848 Obviously if he's found not guilty, 1528 01:19:46,915 --> 01:19:49,551 then that is the worst possible outcome. 1529 01:19:51,386 --> 01:19:53,255 Please, please let it be guilty. 1530 01:19:57,926 --> 01:19:59,995 Please let it be guilty. 1531 01:20:01,129 --> 01:20:03,532 - Defendant, arise. 1532 01:20:05,934 --> 01:20:06,902 - In the superior court 1533 01:20:06,968 --> 01:20:08,570 of Chatham County, State of Georgia, 1534 01:20:08,637 --> 01:20:11,873 State of Georgia versus Nathaniel Willie Wilkins, 1535 01:20:11,940 --> 01:20:15,877 Jury verdict; Count one, malice murder. 1536 01:20:15,944 --> 01:20:19,447 We, the jury, found the defendant guilty of malice murder. 1537 01:20:19,948 --> 01:20:22,083 Count two, malice murder; 1538 01:20:22,150 --> 01:20:25,353 We, the jury found the defendant guilty of malice murder. 1539 01:20:26,655 --> 01:20:27,856 Count three, felony murder; 1540 01:20:27,923 --> 01:20:31,193 we, the jury, found the defendant guilty of felony murder. 1541 01:20:31,259 --> 01:20:33,395 Count four, felony murder; 1542 01:20:33,461 --> 01:20:36,565 We, the jury found the defendant guilty of felony murder. 1543 01:20:38,166 --> 01:20:40,135 Count five, aggravated assault; 1544 01:20:40,202 --> 01:20:41,970 We, the jury, found the defendant guilty 1545 01:20:42,037 --> 01:20:43,805 of aggravated assault. 1546 01:20:43,872 --> 01:20:45,874 Count six, aggravated assault; 1547 01:20:45,941 --> 01:20:47,209 We, the jury, found the defendant guilty 1548 01:20:47,275 --> 01:20:49,444 of aggravated assault. 1549 01:20:56,351 --> 01:20:58,019 - Today, it's finally done. 1550 01:21:01,122 --> 01:21:03,892 The verdict came back guilty. 1551 01:21:06,661 --> 01:21:08,129 What an elated feeling. 1552 01:21:10,232 --> 01:21:13,902 - And then it was, guilty, guilty, guilty. 1553 01:21:15,637 --> 01:21:16,304 Oh my God. 1554 01:21:16,371 --> 01:21:17,973 - I know, this day was hard. 1555 01:21:18,039 --> 01:21:22,210 - I had to not offend anybody by showing joy at the verdict, 1556 01:21:22,277 --> 01:21:25,113 what kind of justice is that for the victim? 1557 01:21:31,086 --> 01:21:32,420 - Hello? 1558 01:21:32,487 --> 01:21:33,221 - Hey. 1559 01:21:33,288 --> 01:21:35,490 - Oh, hey. 1560 01:21:36,324 --> 01:21:38,293 - So I have some good news and some bad news. 1561 01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:39,594 The good news is that they found him guilty. 1562 01:21:39,661 --> 01:21:41,529 - Oh, that's awesome, honey. 1563 01:21:41,596 --> 01:21:45,033 That is good, I'm really happy to hear that. 1564 01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:46,635 - The bad news is I have to stay through Thursday 1565 01:21:51,539 --> 01:21:54,042 because they're sentencing him on Thursday. 1566 01:21:55,477 --> 01:21:56,478 - Because they're doing what Thursday? 1567 01:21:56,544 --> 01:21:58,213 - They're sentencing him on Thursday. 1568 01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,481 - Oh, okay. 1569 01:22:00,282 --> 01:22:03,318 All right, well 1570 01:22:03,385 --> 01:22:04,252 - Hmm? 1571 01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:06,554 - That's great though. 1572 01:22:06,621 --> 01:22:07,489 - Yeah. 1573 01:22:12,594 --> 01:22:14,162 Okay, so I just wanted to let you know. 1574 01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:15,964 - Thank you, oh my gosh. 1575 01:22:16,031 --> 01:22:18,033 I'm so happy, I'm so glad. 1576 01:22:19,968 --> 01:22:21,136 - I love you. 1577 01:22:21,202 --> 01:22:22,904 - I love you too. 1578 01:22:22,971 --> 01:22:24,673 - Okay, talk to you later. 1579 01:22:24,739 --> 01:22:26,007 - Okay, bye. 1580 01:22:27,409 --> 01:22:29,311 - That didn't go very well. 1581 01:22:33,815 --> 01:22:37,953 I had hoped that if and when this moment happened, 1582 01:22:38,019 --> 01:22:39,354 that it would change everything, 1583 01:22:39,421 --> 01:22:42,424 that I'd be able to get on with my life. 1584 01:22:43,425 --> 01:22:44,459 That things would just instantly get better, 1585 01:22:44,526 --> 01:22:46,261 and there is a weight lifted, there is. 1586 01:22:46,328 --> 01:22:48,830 The justice system has done all that it can 1587 01:22:49,097 --> 01:22:52,534 but Alice is still dead. 1588 01:22:56,404 --> 01:22:59,007 Two people in the middle of the night, still snuck up on her 1589 01:22:59,074 --> 01:23:01,343 and shot her at close range, 1590 01:23:01,409 --> 01:23:03,378 that makes the world feel a little less safe to me, 1591 01:23:03,445 --> 01:23:05,213 knowing that can happen to someone like Alice. 1592 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:06,581 She didn't instigate anything, 1593 01:23:06,648 --> 01:23:08,516 she didn't have anything to do with what happened, 1594 01:23:08,583 --> 01:23:11,086 except that she was just there when two people had guns 1595 01:23:11,152 --> 01:23:12,687 and were after her boyfriend. 1596 01:23:14,422 --> 01:23:15,657 I have three kids, 1597 01:23:19,094 --> 01:23:22,397 it scares the shit out of me that they live in that world. 1598 01:24:02,871 --> 01:24:03,938 - The one thing I think these families want 1599 01:24:04,005 --> 01:24:05,173 at the end of the trial, 1600 01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,809 is for Mr. Rothschild to stand up after a verdict and go, 1601 01:24:07,876 --> 01:24:09,878 "Now we're gonna open the back rooms to the courtroom, 1602 01:24:09,944 --> 01:24:11,246 and here comes your family member back 1603 01:24:11,312 --> 01:24:13,214 to sit down with you and leave." 1604 01:24:14,015 --> 01:24:15,350 That's never gonna happen, 1605 01:24:15,417 --> 01:24:16,818 but that's the one thing they want, 1606 01:24:16,885 --> 01:24:19,220 is the one thing I can ever give them. 1607 01:24:24,959 --> 01:24:26,761 Ethically, and emotionally, and spiritually, 1608 01:24:26,828 --> 01:24:29,497 in every other way they're just lost. 1609 01:24:29,564 --> 01:24:32,167 And so I'm not gonna say they get closure, 1610 01:24:32,233 --> 01:24:35,503 what they get is a starting line, not a finishing line. 1611 01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:36,604 What they can do is start the rest of their life. 1612 01:24:36,671 --> 01:24:38,740 - Bye-bye - Thank you, God. 1613 01:24:50,919 --> 01:24:52,720 - I've tried to be a good person my whole life, 1614 01:24:52,787 --> 01:24:55,790 but I'm not a good Christian, I don't forgive him. 1615 01:24:55,857 --> 01:24:56,825 I don't forgive him. 1616 01:24:56,891 --> 01:24:59,427 I want everybody to know that they can tell me, 1617 01:24:59,494 --> 01:25:00,995 oh, it's time to get on with your life, 1618 01:25:01,062 --> 01:25:03,965 or now you can finally move on, or it's closure. 1619 01:25:04,032 --> 01:25:04,999 It's not a closure, 1620 01:25:06,034 --> 01:25:08,636 the grief is still there, it will always be there. 1621 01:25:08,703 --> 01:25:10,705 There will always be an empty chair at the dinner table, 1622 01:25:10,772 --> 01:25:13,475 there will always be an empty place in the holidays. 1623 01:25:13,541 --> 01:25:15,643 Don't I hope nobody says that to me. 1624 01:25:19,547 --> 01:25:22,650 You know Alice kind of had trouble finding herself, 1625 01:25:22,717 --> 01:25:26,221 but as you found out, she meant a lot to so many people. 1626 01:25:27,322 --> 01:25:29,324 She just did not have the opportunity 1627 01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:30,625 to fulfill her potential. 1628 01:25:30,692 --> 01:25:32,360 - You want a little card to go with that? 1629 01:25:32,427 --> 01:25:34,129 - No, they're for me. 1630 01:25:34,195 --> 01:25:35,296 - Oh. 1631 01:25:35,363 --> 01:25:36,598 - My daughter's birthday is tomorrow, 1632 01:25:36,664 --> 01:25:38,633 she was murdered four years ago, 1633 01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:40,969 so those are her favorite flowers 1634 01:25:41,035 --> 01:25:44,706 and we're just honoring her. 1635 01:25:45,507 --> 01:25:47,008 - That's very sweet. 1636 01:25:47,075 --> 01:25:47,709 You got it? 1637 01:25:47,775 --> 01:25:48,676 - Yeah, I think so. Thank you 1638 01:25:48,743 --> 01:25:50,912 - All right, thank you. 1639 01:25:57,152 --> 01:26:00,955 - I gave up everything in my life to be a priest. 1640 01:26:01,022 --> 01:26:04,726 I gave up my career, I cashed in my savings 1641 01:26:04,792 --> 01:26:08,396 to be able to declare to everyone 1642 01:26:08,463 --> 01:26:13,168 that they are part of this eternal wonder of God, 1643 01:26:13,835 --> 01:26:18,306 and Alice's murder made me stop and question 1644 01:26:19,507 --> 01:26:21,342 if I could do that anymore. 1645 01:26:24,379 --> 01:26:27,148 And there are still days when I stand up 1646 01:26:27,215 --> 01:26:29,017 in front of a congregation 1647 01:26:29,817 --> 01:26:32,987 and the prayer that I have before going out there 1648 01:26:33,054 --> 01:26:37,258 is that I need God to show up and do it, because I can't. 1649 01:26:38,092 --> 01:26:41,963 That I will be the vessel, but it can't be me, 1650 01:26:42,030 --> 01:26:43,998 it can't be my words, 1651 01:26:44,065 --> 01:26:45,033 because there are days 1652 01:26:45,099 --> 01:26:47,802 that it just doesn't make sense to me anymore. 1653 01:27:14,162 --> 01:27:16,297 - So today is Alice's birthday, 1654 01:27:16,364 --> 01:27:19,067 It's been, 1655 01:27:20,201 --> 01:27:25,573 four years since she died, she would be 28 today. 1656 01:27:26,908 --> 01:27:31,813 She loved her coy, so that's why I have the turquoise trim, 1657 01:27:31,879 --> 01:27:34,716 the sunflowers, for her favorite flower, 1658 01:27:36,517 --> 01:27:37,986 and it's a white cake. 1659 01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:42,223 I prefer chocolate, but today since we're honoring Alice, 1660 01:27:42,290 --> 01:27:44,525 it has to be a white cake. 1661 01:27:46,027 --> 01:27:48,496 Happy birthday to my little Alice, 1662 01:27:50,431 --> 01:27:52,567 who we love and miss every single day. 1663 01:27:54,435 --> 01:27:56,404 Wish you were here, Alice. 1664 01:28:00,675 --> 01:28:03,511 And I wish you liked chocolate instead of white cake. 1665 01:28:40,481 --> 01:28:43,685 - Dear Phillip, how have you been doing? 1666 01:28:43,751 --> 01:28:46,454 It's been so long since we've hung out. 1667 01:28:46,721 --> 01:28:49,123 Remember when you last came to Ma ine? 1668 01:28:49,190 --> 01:28:51,326 It was at least four or five years ago. 1669 01:28:52,126 --> 01:28:54,662 You came out of the airplane with a new hairdo, 1670 01:28:54,729 --> 01:28:56,297 and when we realized it was you, 1671 01:28:56,364 --> 01:28:58,299 we sang "When A Man Loves A woman", 1672 01:28:58,366 --> 01:29:00,301 cause you reminded us of Michael Bolton. 1673 01:29:00,368 --> 01:29:02,704 - This is Alice. 1674 01:29:02,770 --> 01:29:05,673 - I remember that day perfectly too, 1675 01:29:05,740 --> 01:29:07,842 you couldn't stop complaining about how cold you were 1676 01:29:07,909 --> 01:29:10,511 but you should've thought about the Maine weather. 1677 01:29:11,312 --> 01:29:14,182 Actually, I have a weird story about your wedding; 1678 01:29:15,016 --> 01:29:17,685 When the music was playing and everyone was dancing, 1679 01:29:17,752 --> 01:29:18,886 I was dancing with you, 1680 01:29:18,953 --> 01:29:20,755 which I have a wicked awesome picture of, 1681 01:29:20,822 --> 01:29:23,458 and we both kind of have the same smile. 1682 01:29:23,524 --> 01:29:24,659 You look so happy. 1683 01:29:25,426 --> 01:29:27,695 That picture is strange 'cause I know the exact song 1684 01:29:27,762 --> 01:29:28,930 we were dancing to, 1685 01:29:29,831 --> 01:29:32,567 it was called "Dancing In Heaven" by Q Feel, 1686 01:29:32,633 --> 01:29:34,435 and I downloaded it when we got home 1687 01:29:34,502 --> 01:29:36,671 and listen to it all the time. 1688 01:29:36,738 --> 01:29:38,840 But I find it so ironic because it talks about 1689 01:29:38,906 --> 01:29:41,809 being in heaven, and despite all the drugs you did, 1690 01:29:41,876 --> 01:29:43,277 your addiction to alcohol 1691 01:29:43,344 --> 01:29:46,047 and the way you selfishly took your own life, 1692 01:29:46,114 --> 01:29:48,716 there's no way God couldn't have let you into heaven 1693 01:29:48,783 --> 01:29:51,119 with your amazing smile and your good heart. 1694 01:29:54,922 --> 01:29:58,960 I think maybe if I was just there and told you I loved you, 1695 01:29:59,026 --> 01:30:02,663 maybe, just maybe, you would have rethought it. 1696 01:30:03,464 --> 01:30:06,000 I don't know, I'm just rambling. 1697 01:30:07,034 --> 01:30:09,003 I just want you to know, I love you 1698 01:30:09,070 --> 01:30:12,440 and that not a day goes by where I don't think of you. 1699 01:30:13,341 --> 01:30:16,677 Love, your little sis, Alice. 1700 01:31:13,968 --> 01:31:16,437 - I don't think I'll ever really heal fully 1701 01:31:16,504 --> 01:31:17,905 from Alice's murder, 1702 01:31:18,739 --> 01:31:21,209 I'm probably changed forever in many ways. 1703 01:31:22,243 --> 01:31:24,879 But making this film has made me realize how much love 1704 01:31:24,946 --> 01:31:26,614 Alice gave to the world, 1705 01:31:27,715 --> 01:31:29,684 and how much she was loved during her life 1706 01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:31,619 even if she wasn't aware. 1707 01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,690 And if she's out there somewhere, which I would love, 1708 01:31:36,657 --> 01:31:39,961 I hope she's able to hear people take time out of their day 1709 01:31:40,027 --> 01:31:41,963 to tell me how wonderful she was. 1710 01:31:44,131 --> 01:31:48,603 - It's so incredible to know that she made a difference. 1711 01:31:58,079 --> 01:32:00,982 - What kind of things for your happiness now? 1712 01:32:01,883 --> 01:32:05,219 - Being with my family, being with my Grandkids. 1713 01:32:17,398 --> 01:32:18,733 - Okay, Cooper. 1714 01:32:25,540 --> 01:32:26,574 What happened? 1715 01:32:26,641 --> 01:32:27,675 - Broke. 1716 01:32:28,776 --> 01:32:30,344 - You had too many eggs? 1717 01:32:30,411 --> 01:32:31,412 - No, I guess. 1718 01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:32,613 - I think so. 1719 01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,883 I'm going to do my best to keep Alice's memory alive 1720 01:32:35,950 --> 01:32:37,051 through my family. 1721 01:32:38,152 --> 01:32:40,922 I know that she wouldn't want me to completely fall apart, 1722 01:32:40,988 --> 01:32:42,356 that she'd want me to be there, 1723 01:32:42,423 --> 01:32:45,326 to be a good father, to be a good husband. 1724 01:32:47,194 --> 01:32:50,197 My wife and I just renewed our marriage vows recently, 1725 01:32:51,132 --> 01:32:52,833 and our new anniversary is nowhere near the day 1726 01:32:52,900 --> 01:32:54,802 that Alice was murdered. 1727 01:32:56,270 --> 01:32:57,838 And as much as I don't wanna leave Alice 1728 01:32:57,905 --> 01:33:00,041 completely in the past, 1729 01:33:00,107 --> 01:33:03,244 I hope that this is one small step forward in my quest 1730 01:33:03,311 --> 01:33:05,279 to find happiness again. 1731 01:33:05,346 --> 01:33:06,213 Hey! 1732 01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:11,218 Aw, look at you.